**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 02:59:59 2012 May 07 03:11:47 http://css-tricks.com/examples/ViewportTypography/ May 07 04:09:38 invalidopcode: still awake? May 07 04:09:46 or anyone else that uses google voice? May 07 04:09:48 EricBlade: yup May 07 04:10:16 what do you need? May 07 04:10:23 omfg May 07 04:10:49 i have no idea whatsoever what our two oldest kids are giggling about but it's making me giggle. and that's setting up a giggle loop May 07 04:10:57 anyway, that's not relevant May 07 04:11:07 i've been kind thinking about what to do as far as voicemail goes May 07 04:11:49 hahaha giggling is contagious May 07 04:12:00 ok so what's this about voicemail? May 07 04:12:26 integrating to the phone app is just not feasible, in the current state of the catalog, the phone app, etc. possibly via preware May 07 04:13:51 so, for missed calls, voicemails, etc, i'll probably need to pump in a fake message May 07 04:14:19 maybe you could have a conversation for just voicemails? May 07 04:14:38 that you could populate with messages like "Voicemail from: Bill" May 07 04:16:15 or a message in the contact's normal conversation that just says "Bill left you a voicemail" May 07 04:16:20 just throwing ideas out there May 07 04:19:35 it's truly unfortunate, that we can't also extend the apps May 07 04:21:50 hm... wait for open webos? May 07 04:22:06 how does the webos normally handle voicemails natively? May 07 04:26:02 well i could probably come up with a preware patch for messaging that would add something or other May 07 04:27:01 i don't really know - my guess is through the phone app. I know from inspecting the phone app, that it has some functions for obtaining a number for VM from the SIM. it doesn't support Skype VM May 07 04:27:29 there's the man May 07 04:28:53 ah ok May 07 04:29:14 so, since the phone app's synergy was never really completed (it looked like there are parts there for adding service-specific voicemail implementations, but it's not all there), and i can't patch into the phone app anyway ... i was thinking about having a setting to just auto-download the voicemails May 07 04:29:43 and provide, if it would work, a file:// link to the messaging app May 07 04:29:54 ah ok May 07 04:30:00 i suppose if i just type in file://whatever/blah.mp3 i could see if that would work without having to write any code May 07 04:30:08 um... idk that sounds like it would look clunky May 07 04:33:53 yeah that comes up as a link May 07 04:33:57 well, it does make a clickable link. May 07 04:34:27 yup, obviously there isn't anything for it to link too but it does seem to be a link May 07 04:38:31 damn it doesn't load May 07 04:38:49 yeah... :/ May 07 04:38:51 maybe dkirker has an idea May 07 04:39:26 i'm pretty sure that http links do work May 07 04:39:39 but i don't want to setup a web server on device just to do it May 07 04:40:02 haha May 07 04:40:32 what about just inserting the transcription as a new message? May 07 04:40:42 i tried briefly to figure out how to get a mime-type to register, but i couldn't figure out how to get my webserver to transmit a specific mimetype May 07 04:41:00 yea but i want to provide some way to listen, without having to dig up another app May 07 04:41:09 ah ok May 07 04:41:39 i'm really excited by this now that i have it actually working May 07 04:42:08 psuedo working through an app was pretty cool, but actually having it operate invisibly is awesome May 07 04:43:04 oh, hey, i sent it to one of my trusted testers, and he said it kept bringing up the phone app for some reason. you haven't seen anything weird like that have you? May 07 04:44:13 nope I haven't seen anything like that May 07 04:44:26 i've been using all afternoon and its been pretty stable May 07 04:46:31 i wish i knew why google voice will sometimes randomly place one message outside of the conversation it goes with May 07 04:47:44 on the service side? May 07 04:47:57 yeah May 07 04:48:19 its google's issue but it can be annoying May 07 04:49:22 dude, EricBlade when openwebos comes out we should take on the jobs of maintaining the phone and messaging apps :P May 07 04:57:26 haha. Are you sure that you are up for the challenge? :P May 07 04:59:25 hmm. i don't think i've ever seen it put things into the wrong conversation. well, on the bright side, webOS will put all the messages from the same person into the same conversation, even if it happened on a different protocol May 07 04:59:45 at least, i think it does. i don't have any cross protocol conversations with anyone May 07 05:00:08 it doesn't right now because it doesn't associate numbers with the contacts May 07 05:00:14 right May 07 05:00:20 dkirker: *challenge accepted* May 07 05:00:33 lol May 07 05:00:50 dkirker: i'm glad invalidopcode volunteered for that May 07 05:00:57 hahaha May 07 05:01:16 I wonder if invalidopcode has even seen the source code for those apps.... May 07 05:01:31 he has messaging at least May 07 05:01:40 dkirker: yes i have at least for the messaging app... i went digging through it with EricBlade May 07 05:02:02 he and i were going back and forth looking at different source files to find various things relating to getting the gvoice messages into the app May 07 05:03:06 i'd go looking for something, and see something related to a different problem, and send him off to research that function, so i didn't get sidetracked, he'd come back and say oh, here's the thing, and i found this and this too, go look at those May 07 05:03:11 it worked out pretty well May 07 05:03:15 dkirker: plus pushing oneself beyond beyond known bounds is the best way to learn :) May 07 05:03:35 true May 07 05:03:42 or initiate self destruction May 07 05:03:47 haha :P May 07 05:03:54 both tend to happen roughly around the same time, I'm afraid... :S May 07 05:04:09 And I actually mis-typed that smiley to :D ... May 07 05:04:21 nice :P May 07 05:05:44 the funny thing about all this messaging and synergy stuff, is that i've now managed to locate docs that cover almost every aspect of it that we've figured out May 07 05:06:15 really? where? May 07 05:06:33 Haha! I think that you are now where I am at with regards to the back end. :P May 07 05:06:48 I hand't gotten it interfacing with dumping messages into the db yet. May 07 05:07:13 the Account Manager doc has a lot of info that is barely comprehensible until you actually understand it May 07 05:07:16 (I was trying to go the SMS approach, but I guess that you can only have one active SMS synergy plugin...) May 07 05:07:20 which makes it not very good documentation May 07 05:07:43 haha yeah May 07 05:07:52 A lot of it was written by engineers that were writing it while writing the code... :S May 07 05:08:19 really random question... is there a way to access the microphone from a PDK app? May 07 05:08:43 a web app can record wav files May 07 05:08:49 probably through gstreamer May 07 05:08:58 but not officially May 07 05:09:07 although i do recall hearing someone say that there's a problem with the wav files coming out with bad data May 07 05:09:40 gstreamer most certainly can access the audio input, i was able to make a feedback machine May 07 05:10:10 i did that from command line, though, i don't know if apps/services have the permissions required to access that May 07 05:10:12 I'm throwing around the idea of some voice recognition stuff May 07 05:10:38 * invalidopcode get many ideas, but has few products May 07 05:11:25 dkirker: i'm a few bugs and optimizations away from calling gvoice synergy an alpha May 07 05:13:18 :D May 07 05:14:48 it seems that it gets really confused when given 2 accounts to work with, i hope that's something i can work with May 07 05:15:16 EricBlade: will there be a way to change the sync interval? May 07 05:16:14 as far as i can tell, we'd need to setup an app to trigger the sync at faster than roughly 5 min May 07 05:16:26 like the app currently does May 07 05:17:32 ah ok May 07 05:17:53 setting a wake up for less than 5 minutes causes it to trigger immediately May 07 12:40:04 how Tweak-able is the webOS keyboard? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQTaHGQ04Q May 07 12:40:16 could I write a simple Tweak JSON file and change things about it? May 07 12:40:29 maybe not that elaborate...but maybe just add arrow keys or some such May 07 12:40:34 or just experiment? :) May 07 19:17:09 * bigbluehat just realized his google calendar events aren't syncing >_< May 07 19:17:22 is that known to work? May 07 19:17:36 EricBlade1: you know all things Google + WebOS :) May 07 19:18:03 i really don't May 07 19:18:18 i do recall seeing a patch for google events not syncing properly though in preware May 07 19:18:39 hrm... May 07 19:18:41 * bigbluehat checks May 07 19:20:16 hmm...only seeing UberCalendar (that might "have it") in Preware May 07 19:20:42 Google Calendar Search is the only thing with a direct naming correlation...but that's seemingly where the correlation stops :( May 07 19:20:52 * bigbluehat installs this ubercalendar thing...and hopes May 07 19:21:37 Adora!!!!! Hi! :D May 07 19:21:54 EricBlade1: How's that plugin coming?? May 07 19:22:01 The screen shot looks great! :D May 07 19:29:26 EricBlade1: pretty sure this is it: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/286029-google-calendar-sync-behaviors-patch.html May 07 19:29:31 not findable (sadly) via Preware May 07 19:29:34 but it does exist May 07 19:29:38 I guess :) May 07 19:31:43 URL for people who use tablets: http://is.gd/RbA0OG May 07 19:31:44 :) May 07 19:31:56 * bigbluehat used the QR code is.gd generated to bring it up on his #touchpad May 07 19:31:59 no typing! ;) May 07 19:33:54 grrr....webOS Nation requires an account to download :( May 07 19:34:31 ha! the register link is broken... May 07 19:35:14 this is nearing Pain > Value ratio.... May 07 19:35:59 happy! http://patches.webos-internals.org/ May 07 19:36:10 dkirker: i've been using it all day May 07 19:37:23 no....it just links to the webos thread >_< May 07 19:37:26 * bigbluehat is unhappy May 07 19:37:53 dkirker: i need to fix a couple things and optimize the hell out of the database accesses, and i'm ready to call it an alpha May 07 19:38:33 it works fine, though, so long as you don't run up 30-40 db accesses in one service call May 07 19:41:21 wow...pretty sure Ft. Knox uses this same captcha system :-P May 07 19:41:31 * bigbluehat found the webos nation reg page at last May 07 19:42:07 theres a captcha in your captcha in your captcha May 07 19:42:15 halfhalo: exactly! :) May 07 19:43:25 sounds secure to me! May 07 19:44:11 bah..."can't open mime type"... May 07 19:45:08 halfhalo: do you know where downloads are kept on the FS on a #touchpad per chance? :) May 07 19:49:47 pain > value May 07 19:49:55 x_x May 07 19:57:28 just grab it with a pc and webosquickinstall it May 07 20:03:58 * bigbluehat googles webosquickinstall May 07 20:04:16 ... what? May 07 20:04:34 ...one of us is confused :) May 07 20:04:37 pretty sure it's me :) May 07 20:04:45 it's the thing most people use to install preware May 07 20:05:20 oh right! May 07 20:05:24 been awhile May 07 20:06:16 yep...still have it :) May 07 20:06:20 really? most people use wosqi? May 07 20:06:34 summatusmentis: what's wosqi? May 07 20:06:46 i'd expect so.. May 07 20:06:48 WebOS QuickInstall May 07 20:07:21 it's just an awfully irritating interface May 07 20:07:44 brb May 07 20:14:56 back May 07 20:16:42 so...why is the WebOS community so "into" Forums? May 07 20:16:50 vs. wikis, source control, etc? May 07 20:26:29 wiki and source control don't really give you ways to interact very well with each other May 07 20:32:37 * madnificent is not into forums May 07 20:37:29 I really like the concept of Office Hours that Android Developers is doing on Google+ May 07 20:37:32 so...something broke :( May 07 20:38:01 hrmm... May 07 20:38:04 maybe not completely :/ May 07 20:38:16 EricBlade1: do you use github? :) May 07 20:38:24 github.com/ericblade May 07 20:46:07 cool May 07 20:46:27 forums just need more curation tools, I guess May 07 20:46:50 it's fine if you can keep your finger on the pulse, but if you're new or coming back to them after awhile....you need dedicated time May 07 20:47:11 is there a place which states which html5 input tags are supported on webos? (and it would be cool if it stated the same about other mobile systems) May 07 20:47:42 madnificent: try html5test.com in webOS May 07 20:47:59 bigbluehat: i only have a veer May 07 20:48:09 oh...will that not work on the veer? May 07 20:48:12 * bigbluehat only has a touchpad May 07 20:48:27 bigbluehat: it's one device, it doesn't say that much about other webos versions May 07 20:48:44 what the! http://www.maxthon.com/ May 07 20:48:52 it's the "winner" at html5test.com :/ May 07 20:49:02 madnificent: good call May 07 20:50:10 veer's not in this list...http://html5test.com/results/mobile.html May 07 20:50:17 well...wait May 07 20:50:21 webOS 2.1 is May 07 20:50:22 i've just ran it May 07 20:50:34 2.2 and 1.4 are as well May 07 20:50:55 3.0 is under tablets May 07 20:50:58 it doesn know it's the veer May 07 20:51:25 does it report the correct webos version? May 07 20:51:36 (that calendar patch didn't work...sadly) May 07 20:51:44 yes May 07 20:52:01 hmmm, no time picker support May 07 20:52:26 I'm seeing partial coverage for 3.0 of time picker May 07 20:52:31 well... May 07 20:52:33 time field May 07 20:52:34 no picker tho May 07 21:08:43 whoa, the official HP Support twitter just tweeted about an update to Carbon May 07 21:10:52 ... from a month ago May 07 21:11:04 heh May 07 21:17:47 hmm. my synergy gvoice just got stuck refusing to send messages, after more than a full day of working perfectly. that's gonna be a mofo of a bug May 07 21:31:23 https://www.ohloh.net/p/webos-messaging-connector May 07 22:25:36 EricBlade1: WOA! How does it do the estimated cost? I am curious to see what it estimates Universe at... May 07 22:25:57 dkirker: magic! May 07 22:27:57 i don't know, clicking on the estimated cost explains some of it May 07 22:41:34 i find it really insane that db8 has no methods for ensuring unique items May 07 22:50:06 "HP updated the webOS Developer Center today to add in sales reporting graphs, a move presumably brought on or sped up by the planned http://www.webosnation.com/psa-metrix-analytics-suite-going-dark-april-25th-goes-open-source last month…." - I highly doubt metrix had much to do with it May 08 00:31:03 Tibfib_: I get the feeling that this is a Palm version of Metrix that uses the internal Palm servers. May 08 00:42:51 that is an old macbook in that picture May 08 00:42:58 as a side note May 08 00:45:31 hmm.. how's a boxcar client sound May 08 00:47:02 EricBlade1: are in boxcar.io? May 08 00:47:05 *as in May 08 00:47:23 ya May 08 00:47:35 I started work on that a while ago May 08 00:47:45 well wehre is it o.O May 08 00:47:46 I have/had a working version May 08 00:48:09 i left it alone for a couple months and when I came back it was broken May 08 00:48:27 :( May 08 00:48:52 I was using their stream api, but I think its broken now because I can't connect to it May 08 00:49:09 did you get a new auth code? May 08 00:49:58 i used the generic publisher auth code, which worked, but it seems that I can't connect to the websocket anymore May 08 00:50:33 I could upload the source to github if you want to look through it May 08 01:11:57 hmm. i can't seem to get websocket to function May 08 01:12:41 EricBlade1: here's the code I have right now https://github.com/mscoolnerd/Boxcar-for-WebOS May 08 01:12:54 I have a hunch that something broke it in 3.0.5 May 08 01:13:06 because i developed it on 3.0.4 May 08 01:20:54 actually EricBlade1 I just deleted that repo May 08 01:21:30 I remembered why I didn't upload the source code.... it still has a few hardcoded passwords in it :) May 08 01:23:34 i get a connection and a message log May 08 01:23:57 hm.... interestint May 08 01:25:30 actually it works May 08 01:25:34 i just got a notification for you May 08 01:26:43 although when i threw the card, i got a luna-restart May 08 01:31:30 so, that's pretty cool really May 08 01:33:23 dkirker: right, but I doubt the death of metrix affected this data being displayed May 08 01:34:49 it seems really quite weird May 08 01:48:31 oh yeah thats right.... there's a bug that causes a luna-restart May 08 01:49:06 though i don't know where it is May 08 01:49:55 EricBlade1: anyway, you can play around with it. I've gotta go somewhere, so i'll be back in about 2 hours May 08 01:50:42 i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the socket probably needs to be closed/invalidated somehow before shutting down May 08 02:07:59 Enda and Roy have now combined for more activity from devrel in one day than i think i've seen since chuq got talkative **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 08 03:00:01 2012