**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 14 02:59:59 2012 May 14 03:00:41 well i searched 'siri webos' May 14 03:03:21 right, it was supposed to be a siri copy for webOS, announced months ago, supposed to be "available soon" May 14 03:25:49 hmmm May 14 03:25:52 that'd be cool! May 14 03:26:02 would, if it existed May 14 03:26:10 thing is, I'm 90% sure it doesn't May 14 03:26:22 I'm tempted to write my own now... May 14 03:26:31 probably wouldn't be hard to do May 14 03:26:39 umm... well, so May 14 03:26:51 voice translation to text, then text search, I agree May 14 03:27:05 the interesting part about Siri is that it learns context May 14 03:27:11 right May 14 03:27:13 which is really hard to do May 14 03:27:20 that part is outside of my knowledge May 14 03:27:30 it's outside of almost everyone's knowledge May 14 03:27:43 except maybe wolfram alpha employees, and those working/contracted with Apple May 14 03:28:36 we've had computers that 'understand' humans for a long time May 14 03:28:45 The water for my tea is whistling!! May 14 03:28:46 so long as understand means "recognize keywords and do something" May 14 03:31:51 we could try using that cmusphinx stuff to get started May 14 03:33:41 or not... apparently a spider has been living inside of my tea kettle... some thick cobwebs in the spout... (It's only been like 1 week since I used that thing!!!!!!) May 14 03:33:55 BURN IT WITH FIRE May 14 03:34:01 I did. And boiling water. May 14 03:34:09 hah, good point May 14 03:34:27 There are some Android Siri clones. I bet we could use one of those to get started with. I am sure one of them is open source. May 14 03:34:57 dkirker: i hope the open source version of the messaging app has had a "sanity" pass applied to it May 14 03:35:14 i have an Android Siri clone, but all it does is make weird noises May 14 03:35:23 lol May 14 03:35:28 I use "Assistant" May 14 03:35:40 i think it might be trying to text-to-speak but it's playing back super slow May 14 03:37:44 it there a quick way to scroll to the top and bottom of a list in impostah on the touchpad? May 14 03:44:48 invalidopcode: Yup! May 14 03:44:56 uh.. there's twitter code in the contacts app May 14 03:45:06 Jump up, clench your butt, and scream "AYYYEAHHH!!!!!" May 14 03:45:07 dkirker: could you share this secret with me? :) May 14 03:45:14 :P May 14 03:45:15 ..... May 14 03:45:30 * invalidopcode rolls eyes May 14 03:45:35 lol Nah, just flick really really fast. :) May 14 03:46:42 great :P May 14 03:47:07 hm.... why doesn't com.palm.db have access to data inside itself? May 14 03:47:36 I need to find like a "root" service that has complete database permissions May 14 03:55:25 i really don't want to take apart the contacts app :| May 14 03:57:04 haha May 14 03:57:24 I'm trying to delete all the mistake contacts and I can't :/ May 14 03:58:15 luna-send -a com.ericblade.synergv.service -n 1 palm://com.palm.db/del '{"query":{"from":"com.ericblade.synergv.contact"}}' May 14 04:01:22 wow.... May 14 04:01:29 * invalidopcode facepalm May 14 04:01:38 * EricBlade faceHP May 14 04:01:47 i could have sworn i tried that May 14 04:01:50 hahhahahahahahahahah May 14 04:02:23 hmm. the majority of the contacts app appears to be in Enyo May 14 04:02:35 not, i mean, written in Enyo .. but actually.. part of Enyo May 14 04:04:47 the contacts ui stuff seems to indicate that actually providing contacts is not necessary, and that the messaging stuff interacts with the contacts stuff May 14 04:08:08 gah, what the hell is com.palm.person May 14 04:08:57 its the little palm gnome that lives in ever webos device May 14 04:17:48 hey EricBlade, what the "sync framework" that's mentioned in this quote from the developer docs: "Alternatively, connectors can make use of the sync framework and data mapping utilities provided with webOS' loadable libraries -- "mojo.transport" and "mojo.transport.sync" -- to implement this." https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/synergy/overview.html#syncing-and-data-mapping May 14 04:18:11 !clue May 14 04:20:24 haha ok May 14 04:24:45 ooo... look what I found EricBlade, this might be helpful with figuring out what names are what http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS3_Packages May 14 04:31:17 not sure what that's useful for at the moment May 14 04:31:30 i can't find anything in contactsui that actually pulls contacts in from anywhere May 14 04:31:56 and it looks like com.palm.person might be either some sort of unified contacts thing, or the messaging version of contacts May 14 04:31:56 yeah, well it might be helpful for future reference May 14 04:35:30 ok, persons are apparently created by the linker May 14 04:35:44 which leads me to believe that the ContactsUI reads persons and not contacts May 14 04:35:54 and that the linker probably creates persons from contacts May 14 04:37:11 linker reads from the database and them probably returns persons to the ContactsUI is my guess May 14 04:37:21 *reads contacts May 14 04:37:58 SO, what triggers the linker to make persons May 14 04:38:31 I don't know.... May 14 04:39:11 i bet, if i add the existence of this new db kind to the account definition, it'll suddenly find it May 14 04:39:16 STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID May 14 04:39:20 (me) May 14 04:39:50 ..... :/ May 14 04:40:16 EricBlade is stupid (?)... May 14 04:41:34 hahaha May 14 04:42:12 i just happened to glance back at the official example, and that was right there in the middle of the screen May 14 04:42:14 BAM obvious. May 14 04:45:34 no. but i feel like i'm closer. May 14 05:01:14 argh May 14 05:02:02 i really wish the palm site wasn't significantly width-restricted May 14 05:02:15 makes it very difficult to read code May 14 05:03:34 hmm. my first free app had 1500 downloads after 2 weeks.. my second one has only 300. hope that's only an indication of perceived usefulness and not an indicator of people left May 14 05:06:33 my boy scout app is at almost 500 downloads May 14 05:10:08 in the graphs section of the developer center, what does the active users indicate? because I know for a fact my app can't have 5000+ active users in April, if it only had ~300 downloads May 14 05:10:20 it's broken May 14 05:10:39 or piracy is way more significant than we think May 14 05:10:49 :) May 14 05:11:22 hahaha yeah clearly.... because people pirate *free* boy scouts apps :P May 14 05:12:05 hey invalidopcode i dropped you the latest that i've got there, i think the changes to the accountinfo are correct.. but it's still not showing up May 14 05:12:18 its funny, because my app gets downloaded in bursts of like 40, so its like a scout troop at a time discovers it May 14 05:12:24 okay thanks EricBlade May 14 05:13:07 should you happen to get a contact to link up, drop me a line. i'm going to go see if i can look at the linker, and as soon as the gf gets the teenagers put to bed, we're going to watch game of thrones May 14 05:14:10 haha ok May 14 05:14:32 do i have to remove the existing account and everything every time you send me an update? May 14 05:14:45 i hop not May 14 05:14:55 i just tried that and it made no difference May 14 05:14:58 okay May 14 05:22:33 EricBlade: well you can add contacts the the synergv account from within the contacts app May 14 06:49:44 ok reading the contact linker is an exercise in futility for me at this point May 14 06:57:08 palm://com.palm.service.accounts/getAccountInfo {"accountId":"++HzxzHlAYZZcEwv"}: Permission denied! com.palm.service.contacts.linker is not specified in template com.ericblade.synergv.account readPermissions May 14 06:58:43 some of the security model involved here is becoming questionable o.O May 14 06:59:11 seems the linker shouldn't be able to tell when things are inserted to a database, if it doesn't have access to read said database May 14 07:06:23 aeorughaeo;rhaweruohargh May 14 07:09:03 why did i assume that this was all something that once i figured out how to get the data in, the apps would just work right? May 14 07:41:38 one hidden undocumented thing, and BAM it all works May 14 07:41:51 * EricBlade high fives haeffb May 14 08:03:56 woo some major breakthroughs made today May 14 16:09:07 well, that's weird. when i went to sleep, my messaging app had properly matched up dozens of my google voice contacts to my existing contacts, merged in several converastions, and was working great. May 14 16:09:18 i woke up, and they were all missing May 14 19:03:43 what. the. hell. my database entries are just -disappearing- May 14 19:14:43 is there a capped size? May 14 19:26:17 you must not have priveliges for that May 14 19:26:28 maybe they wouldn't disappear if your app id was com.palm.xxx May 14 21:50:12 haeffb: Your damn client keeps disconnecting and reconnecting. Fix it! Thanks. :) <3 May 14 21:50:16 Please :) May 14 22:05:47 lol May 14 22:24:27 haeffb: I can't see you dis/reconnecting amidst all of the dis/reconnecting May 15 02:00:00 i miss chuq =\ http://forums.webosnation.com/1884445-post180.html **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 15 02:59:59 2012