**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 24 02:59:58 2012
May 24 03:07:35 <DougReeder> Hey, does anyone know if Neato! parses URLs that are in a bunch of non-URL text?
May 24 04:26:21 <HattCzech> anyone care to help with some ez-ipupdate configuration?
May 24 04:35:46 <PatrickC> hey HattCzech
May 24 04:35:56 <HattCzech> hey PatrickC
May 24 04:36:07 <PatrickC> hows it goin?
May 24 04:36:10 <PatrickC> long time no see
May 24 04:38:07 <HattCzech> yeah, it's been a while
May 24 04:38:44 <HattCzech> new job... it's been keeping me very busy
May 24 04:38:58 <HattCzech> which means less time for playing :/
May 24 05:32:02 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: so how's that IRC messaging thing comming?
May 24 05:32:21 <PatrickC> IRC messaging thing?
May 24 08:56:32 <shades> so what's the defact go to after the palm pre being axed
May 24 11:38:05 <EricBlade1> shades ?
May 24 13:19:33 <madnificent> shades: the hp veer
May 24 13:20:02 <madnificent> shades: though i'm impressed by the pre3 too... but my veer.  seriously it'd be hard to figure out what a better phone would be like.
May 24 13:20:31 <madnificent> actually, that's not true, some minor changes would've made it a lot more fun for me, but i haven't seen any phone that comes close to how good the veer is.
May 24 15:05:12 <shades> naperfaille
May 24 15:35:03 <shades> ??
May 24 15:57:35 <shades> anyone know?
May 24 16:08:25 <madnificent> shades: anyone know what?
May 24 16:25:29 <fxspec06> madnificent: that's a good question
May 24 17:12:18 <Azulez> hey
May 24 17:12:44 <shades> hi
May 24 17:12:46 <Azulez> Does anyone know if the pre3 has a three-pole 3.5mm jack up top?
May 24 17:12:52 <Azulez> As in could I use a headset
May 24 17:13:37 <shades> dunno
May 24 17:13:40 <shades> they still sell those?
May 24 17:13:52 <Azulez> You can probably find one on ebay if you're looking for one
May 24 17:14:00 <Azulez> I have a friend who was working for palm
May 24 17:14:01 <dwc-> afaict, pre3 has the same headphone jack as the others
May 24 17:14:08 <dwc-> (the others, minus the veer)
May 24 17:14:24 <Azulez> dwc-: do the others have the three-pole thing going for them?
May 24 17:14:28 <shades> well
May 24 17:14:33 <shades> my fone was stolen
May 24 17:14:40 <shades> and i have equipment replacement w/ sprint
May 24 17:15:01 <shades> so i don't know what to get replaced
May 24 17:15:09 <madnificent> shades: i think so.  it has a 3.5mm jack IIRC and all other phones (including the veer) use the same headset.
May 24 17:16:00 <madnificent> Azulez: so that's afaict, every single webos device.  i see no reason to change it.  i might be able to try it out over the weekend
May 24 17:16:34 <shades> so which one shuld i get from sprint?
May 24 17:16:47 <halfhalo> that one with the thingie
May 24 17:16:56 * madnificent doesn't understand the question anymore.  Azulez started something and now shades is taking over... what the?
May 24 17:17:08 <madnificent> MOORE THINGIE!
May 24 17:17:45 <dwc-> I don't think sprint has any webos phones after pre/pixi
May 24 17:18:12 <dwc-> so... if you have to get a sprint phone from sprint for it, you are likely SOL
May 24 17:18:28 <shades> FML
May 24 17:18:34 <shades> wtf should I get then?
May 24 17:18:48 <madnificent> a pre3 from ebay
May 24 17:19:01 <shades> that'll take too long 8 |
May 24 17:19:03 <madnificent> or veer, or pre2 or pre1 or pixi or...
May 24 17:19:10 <shades> 8 C
May 24 17:19:15 <shades> this sucks
May 24 17:19:15 <madnificent> shades: how so?  it should be there in a day or two
May 24 17:19:19 <dwc-> there are no sprint pre3/veer/pre2
May 24 17:19:26 <shades> i've been a  palm user since like treo days
May 24 17:19:30 <madnificent> dwc-: unlocked stuff doesn't work there?
May 24 17:19:35 <shades> now theres no more webos  ;(
May 24 17:19:39 <dwc-> there are cdma pre3/pre2 but you might have an adventure getting those activated
May 24 17:19:42 <shades> hardware vanished...
May 24 17:19:50 <dwc-> madnificent: sprint/verizon are CDMA, not GSM
May 24 17:19:56 <madnificent> ah right
May 24 17:20:51 <shades> i might switch carriers over this 8 |
May 24 17:21:20 * madnificent remembers the mess he had to go through to get an unlocked pre- activated here (in an unsupported country, though legally ok)
May 24 17:21:30 <shades> lol
May 24 17:22:15 <shades> 'legally ok' ; You cannot have that hardware within these boarders with that specific series of ones and zeros going through them
May 24 17:23:41 <shades> if it works, it works, right? ;)
May 24 17:24:34 <madnificent> yeah well, somewhat.  it kind-of depends.  like rooting an htc hero, or jailbreaking an iphone.  it works, but you may get some mess
May 24 17:24:54 <shades> ymmv
May 24 17:26:55 <summatusmentis> if you can get your hands on a broken sprint pre-, and a cmda pre2, you can frankenpre
May 24 17:27:11 <summatusmentis> but you need to be able to activate the pre-
May 24 17:27:43 <summatusmentis> the only way you'll get a pre3 activated on sprint is through very illegal methods, iirc
May 24 17:28:04 <qxfusion_> Hi all
May 24 17:28:23 <qxfusion_> Anybody known about legal use WebOS on x86 hardware ?
May 24 17:28:53 <qxfusion_> for example on x86 table with AMD Z-01 APU
May 24 17:29:24 <qxfusion_> extracted from WebOS 3.0 SDK VHD
May 24 17:36:25 <cwayne> i understood some of those words.
May 24 18:28:38 <madnificent> poeple shouldn't quit so fast
May 24 18:42:44 <Azulez> madnificent: Cool.. I looked up the headsets, and it does look like they're 3-pole.  Thanks.
May 24 20:04:26 <Jake_M> does the touchpad support jquery or would just downloading the latest one be okay?
May 24 21:33:51 <deebee|Mobile> Hi, I've seen various things about bootloaders etc. but no actual custom roms to use. Am I just not searching hard enough or are there none?
May 25 00:59:59 <madnificent> people must stick around longer
May 25 01:09:58 <invalidopcode> watching the user count in here is like watching stock market prices
May 25 01:40:34 <madnificent> invalidopcode: the stock market isn't as a big as a disaster as it used to be.  let's be more trendy:  watching the user count in #webos is like watching the facebook IPO:  before it's there everyone is all yeah yeah wooh wooh, and then somewhat before the start cracks start showing that it's not all that.  by the time it's actually there no one really cares anymore.
May 25 01:41:17 <madnificent> though i must say that i'm a bit impressed by enyo.  the design is nicer than i expected.  multimethods, multiple inheritance and before/after methods would have been really welcome, but that's probably my personal preference towards highly expressive systems.
May 25 02:01:37 <invalidopcode> as far as the Facebook IPO: who really cares? Facebook survived this long without investors, it makes billions, it gonna live no matter what happens in the stock market /endrant
May 25 02:01:42 <invalidopcode> yeah enyo is pretty awesome
May 25 02:02:39 <madnificent> invalidopcode: zucherberg kind-of killed it for some starting entrepreneurs (that's me)
May 25 02:02:52 <invalidopcode> madnificent: what do you mean?
May 25 02:03:20 <madnificent> from facebooks pov the IPO was just about perfect, they got the most bang for their buck
May 25 02:03:42 <madnificent> however, a failed high-profile IPO scares away more angel investors (which are highly needed)
May 25 02:03:46 <madnificent> so that's a bad thing
May 25 02:03:53 <invalidopcode> ah okay
May 25 02:04:06 <madnificent> but back to enyo!
May 25 02:04:12 * invalidopcode doesn't know much about funding 
May 25 02:04:24 <madnificent> also: #enyojs is new, so we're a bit more spread out now
May 25 02:07:59 <fxspec06> every time i contemplate writing a native app for another platform, i'm drawn back to enyo
May 25 02:08:13 <fxspec06> then again i haven't contemplated much =P
May 25 02:08:33 * madnificent wants to deploy his enyo apps on WebOS but can't manage to do so :@
May 25 02:09:54 <fxspec06> why not
May 25 02:09:57 <fxspec06> =[
May 25 02:28:30 * LarrySteeze stumbles into the room
May 25 02:28:37 <LarrySteeze> I bet you guys thought I died, didn't you!
May 25 02:36:24 <invalidopcode> LarrySteeze: welcome to the webOS ghost room :P
May 25 02:36:33 <LarrySteeze> I see that
May 25 02:37:06 <LarrySteeze> all the webos rooms I frequent (though have been away due to life for the last few months) seem to be abandoned
May 25 02:37:16 <LarrySteeze> I see a lot of familiar names, just no activity
May 25 02:38:33 <invalidopcode> yeah occasionally we have a good discussion going, buts is kindof rare now :/
May 25 02:38:47 <bigbluehat> LarrySteeze: everyone's waiting on Open WebOS to be "done"
May 25 02:39:02 <bigbluehat> the bits and pieces (besides #enyojs) just aren't gaining traction on their own
May 25 02:39:06 <bigbluehat> sadly
May 25 02:39:19 <bigbluehat> and most of the people in here and the others want to know "when will it be done", etc
May 25 02:39:35 <LarrySteeze> it's not that
May 25 02:39:41 <LarrySteeze> there's been a lot of work done with the pieces
May 25 02:40:03 <LarrySteeze> but without the holes filled in, any "work" done with those missing pieces can't be released
May 25 02:40:41 <bigbluehat> exactly
May 25 02:40:45 <bigbluehat> it's the "last mile" problem
May 25 02:40:46 <LarrySteeze> so a lot of work that had started before the open sourcing announcement has stalled
May 25 02:41:00 <bigbluehat> "random"/interested by standards won't run that last mile
May 25 02:41:02 <LarrySteeze> not that we were doing any work before it was annoynced ;-)
May 25 02:41:14 <bigbluehat> they'd rather have run-able, though incomplete (conceptually or otherwise) code
May 25 02:41:18 <invalidopcode> yeah I think most of the people in #webos-internals are waiting for open webos
May 25 02:42:12 <bigbluehat> putting it out in small pieces feels a bit like drip torture after awhile >_<
May 25 02:42:35 <invalidopcode> we've made some progress in here recently in understanding how to build synergy connectors, especially messaging ones
May 25 02:46:46 <fxspec06> i'm never part of the good discussions. partly by choice
May 25 02:47:32 <fxspec06> i remember when these rooms used to be filled with people who knew stuff
May 25 02:47:44 <fxspec06> now i'm the person who knows stuff...
May 25 02:47:46 * fxspec06 rolls eyes
May 25 02:48:08 <invalidopcode> don't get cocky fxspec06 :P
May 25 02:48:25 <fxspec06> hey who else is in here during the day?
May 25 02:48:38 <fxspec06> i see like, the same five people every day
May 25 02:48:50 <fxspec06> unless y'all are jibber jabbin when i'm turned away
May 25 02:49:22 <LarrySteeze> scoutcamper knows stuff too
May 25 02:49:29 <fxspec06> well ya but i mean
May 25 02:49:30 <invalidopcode> well EricBlade usually knows a bit of stuff
May 25 02:49:43 <fxspec06> we're the only ones
May 25 02:49:54 <LarrySteeze> lol
May 25 02:49:56 <fxspec06> if none of us are around, there's no help
May 25 02:50:07 <LarrySteeze> I wouldn't say that's really the story
May 25 02:50:08 <fxspec06> so there's like four or five of us
May 25 02:50:23 <fxspec06> i haven't seen sugardave in here in ages
May 25 02:50:24 <LarrySteeze> just those of us kind of...stay quiet or aren't around...that's not to say we're not here
May 25 02:50:33 <fxspec06> haeffb rolls in every now & then
May 25 02:50:46 <invalidopcode> woah... i just noticed that minego isn't here
May 25 02:50:48 <LarrySteeze> I mean I've been here, but I've basically been afk for a few months with family stuff
May 25 02:50:49 <fxspec06> oil's probably not workin
May 25 02:51:10 <LarrySteeze> even so, most of my time has been spent in other rooms
May 25 02:51:13 <oil_> nope
May 25 02:51:17 <fxspec06> lol
May 25 02:51:31 <LarrySteeze> and oil_ is awesome, for the record
May 25 02:52:01 <LarrySteeze> except last time I saw him, I'm pretty sure he slapped me with some sort of sea life
May 25 02:52:09 <fxspec06> i think it's in the books somewhere
May 25 02:53:21 <fxspec06> there's more ppl in the room than i thought. i keep the user list closed usually
May 25 02:54:12 <LarrySteeze> fxspec06: Actually, looking at the userlist, I'm tempted ot say most of us are pretty well versed in the inner workings of webos
May 25 02:54:22 <LarrySteeze> just that most people probably don't focus on this room >.<
May 25 02:55:07 <LarrySteeze> but for some reason, I just can't find anyone who knows how to make a video poker app ;-)
May 25 02:55:10 <fxspec06> yeah, probably
May 25 02:55:21 <fxspec06> it's a simple game really
May 25 02:55:31 <LarrySteeze> I know. I was joking :-\
May 25 02:55:34 <fxspec06> lol
May 25 02:55:49 <LarrySteeze> I bought it when you were looking for testers
May 25 02:56:01 <LarrySteeze> before I realized you were giving out codes
May 25 02:56:11 <fxspec06> it allowed me to fine-tune my skills in javascript
May 25 02:56:16 <LarrySteeze> but then I realized i was happy to support a dev anyway
May 25 02:56:36 <fxspec06> i wonder how many codes i've given away. i still sold a bunch of copies. and it's about to be released on WP7. that'll be .. 5 platforms
May 25 02:56:53 <fxspec06> and a free playbook & lumia 900
May 25 02:56:56 <fxspec06> not too shabby
May 25 02:57:49 <LarrySteeze> cool
May 25 02:58:17 <fxspec06> i wonder what open webos is going to be like.
May 25 02:58:32 <fxspec06> they must be doing some crazy stuff in the lab
May 25 02:59:38 <fxspec06> they can't be working on JUST the 'open source' part of it.. i'm half expecting a bigger jump than from 2.1 to 3.0
May 25 02:59:48 * oil_ just wants webos on new hardware
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