**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 27 02:59:59 2012 May 27 03:03:54 I... Did? May 27 03:04:17 Hmm. Am I here now? May 27 03:04:45 NOW May 27 03:04:47 now* May 27 03:04:56 Nowwwww May 27 03:06:41 So maybe what channel should I load up and see what happens May 27 03:06:53 hmm May 27 03:07:11 i don't know too many channels. blackberrydev, i suppose May 27 03:08:50 or androiddev, if you can stand actually having that open on your screen for a long period of time May 27 03:09:00 although i sincerely would recommend against that May 27 03:09:56 O wow mint fixed their site so it works for webos May 27 03:12:03 wow, wonderful. i found a bunch of sports teams logos.... they're all nice but they have white backgrounds May 27 03:12:09 =/ May 27 03:18:13 Bbl May 27 03:22:53 l8er May 27 03:47:00 EricBlade-Syn1: reading the backlog.... there is a way to mark messages as read iirc May 27 03:51:46 so. now that i have a bunch of .gif's with zero transparency... May 27 03:51:57 do i try to make them transparent May 27 03:51:59 o.O May 27 03:53:56 EricBlade-Syn1: in the "Flags" object of an immessage, there is a "read" boolean property May 27 03:54:59 checking twitter after 8 hours: 256 new tweets, half of which are from fxspec06 :P May 27 03:55:09 not true May 27 03:55:13 a lot are retweets May 27 03:55:35 btw, the celtics won tonight May 27 03:56:09 hahaha really? thanks for heads up #sarcastic May 27 03:57:15 hm. any way to replace a color with a transparent pizel May 27 03:57:17 pixel* May 27 03:58:41 woahhhhhh select color range May 27 04:00:10 fxspec06: use GIMP? May 27 04:00:27 also I lied, like 90% of these tweets are from you :P May 27 04:01:18 one my one it is May 27 04:01:23 one by one* May 27 04:01:29 i want to batch process it, but it's not happenin May 27 04:02:18 how many do you have to do? May 27 04:02:22 let's see May 27 04:02:32 4 sports * ~30 teams each May 27 04:02:43 plus conference and playoff logos May 27 04:02:46 about 150 May 27 04:03:04 i guess i have a lot of work to do May 27 04:03:14 what are you building? May 27 04:03:38 it's a tournament maker May 27 04:03:49 mainly, for video games May 27 04:04:20 ah okay May 27 04:04:38 sometimes i ask myself why May 27 04:04:50 but then i tell myself, it might just be worth it May 27 04:05:51 you know... May 27 04:05:55 i can totally batch this May 27 04:06:14 yeah... May 27 04:06:36 and it'd save me like 3 hrs work May 27 04:09:57 a nice bash script would probably do it :P May 27 04:12:20 wheeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww it's running May 27 04:12:27 although.. May 27 04:12:39 all my hard work sorting the teams is gone to crap May 27 04:12:47 ='( May 27 04:13:02 all images are being exported into the same folder. May 27 04:13:28 why didn't you make the script take that into account? May 27 04:13:39 it's a photoshop action May 27 04:13:44 ohhhh okay.... May 27 04:13:56 that stupid proprietary software :P May 27 04:14:07 well it'd be fine except the images are .gif's May 27 04:14:17 i have to export them in the action May 27 04:14:24 =\ May 27 04:14:41 oh i know! sort by date modified May 27 04:48:18 quiet in here May 27 04:49:06 everyone went to bed i think May 27 04:49:37 saturday night isn't a hoppin' night in the webos irc channel?? *shock* May 27 04:50:21 Saturday night is most like every other night in #webos May 27 04:50:26 eblade went to another channel to test his irc plugin, otherwise we'd be partying til the sun come up May 27 04:50:33 heh May 27 04:50:55 hey, now we have a party May 27 04:51:04 because I came in? :P May 27 04:51:45 only if that were the case May 27 04:51:49 wawawaaaa May 27 04:52:35 ain't no party like a webOS party May 27 04:53:10 cause a webos party don't stop - oh, wait May 27 04:54:27 haha hey is it is a party... mattsmcnulty is here : May 27 04:54:30 *:P May 27 04:54:57 wehos party: where everyone just types May 27 04:55:02 lol May 27 04:55:32 the party is so awesome you can feel the synergy May 27 04:55:35 what other type of party is there? May 27 04:57:25 halfhalo: well there are the Universal Searchers but those aren't much fun May 27 04:59:58 hm... just looked up webos books on amazon..... most of them are around $1 May 27 05:01:03 who writes those books? do they code in here? does HP / Palm pay people to write them? May 27 05:02:22 idk.... one of them is an oreilly book May 27 05:02:41 mitch wrote the oreilly book, which is all about mojo May 27 05:02:51 oreilly? the GOP fox news guy May 27 05:03:19 yeah mattsmcnulty that's the one im looking at ... is it any good? May 27 05:03:35 it's just irrelevant now. it's fine for mojo phone apps May 27 05:03:52 ah okay May 27 05:04:07 man, mojo. i wish i'd been coding in 2008 May 27 05:04:15 i'd have had fun w/ mojo May 27 05:05:00 idk, for $1.83 for a new copy it might not be that bad... or $0.01 for a used copy :P May 27 05:05:16 heh, I'll have to make fun of mitch for that May 27 05:05:25 free shipping? May 27 05:05:51 hahaha I don't know... but they have 37 copies new and 57 used May 27 05:06:05 hahahahaha list price: $45 May 27 05:06:40 price drop after week 1 May 27 05:06:58 haha May 27 05:07:14 and no.... free shipping is only for purchases over $25 May 27 05:08:02 so... you'd have to purchase 2,500 of them at $0.01 to qualify for free shipping... May 27 05:08:07 that doesn't sound right May 27 05:08:07 amazon prime ftw May 27 05:08:46 hahahaha May 27 05:09:00 ooo.... free trial of amazon prime.... :P May 27 05:10:13 i already had that May 27 05:12:14 is using commas to separate long,short,abbr for team names a bad idea May 27 05:12:26 i have to split the string every time i use it May 27 05:13:17 but the alternative is having each team it's own object property, which i don't think it needs.. May 27 05:18:03 i know. i'll make each team an array instead of an object. that'll make me feel better May 27 05:18:11 * fxspec06 talking to himself May 27 05:22:47 yes, yes you are May 27 05:24:19 omg yay for writing functions that do work for you a k a taking my own work and converting it to my new work in the console May 27 05:24:29 * fxspec06 batch ftw May 27 05:24:47 haha May 27 05:24:56 * invalidopcode just ordered that webos book May 27 05:25:30 sweet May 27 05:25:43 wow. i'm feeling better now that i found a solution for that May 27 05:25:56 i'm totally gonna have to go back to my images and fix the logo backgrounds, though May 27 05:26:11 $1.83 + Free Shipping w/ Amazon Prime Trial == winning May 27 05:26:45 i wonder if instead of selecting pixels by color in PS if i can batch select only pixels of a certain color around an outer edge May 27 05:27:01 you can probably use magic wand in an action .. ? May 27 06:02:15 wow. that worked out amazing. and the app parses the array as a string anyways.. so it still works nothing breaks May 27 10:19:58 Hello. I want to start creating apps for webos (my pre3 actually). Would the enyo-documentation on https://developer.palm.com/ be the proper place to start or is Enyo only working on the TouchPad? May 27 10:20:49 enyo is available on all devices May 27 10:21:10 it came with 2.2.0+ and is installed on everything that has the HP Maps update, as well May 27 10:21:35 Okay, thank you. May 27 13:43:04 it looks like without patching the messaging app, there's no way to not trigger notifications for incoming messages May 27 13:44:05 oh i might've said that too late! May 27 13:47:31 Oh yay adding flag noNotification to a message does it May 27 13:48:52 ... Maybe May 27 13:49:05 * EricBlade shrugs May 27 13:49:22 tests May 27 13:49:45 Nope that fails. Somehow. May 27 13:53:22 blargh May 27 13:55:54 ouhuh May 27 14:46:35 how does the messaging app know when to set a notification May 27 17:01:28 hello May 27 17:02:40 i have a veer , how to i make that touch to share work with the touchpad? May 27 17:47:48 eurisko: by nagging on HP so we can finally get an updated webos for the veer. it isn't supported in the current version, sorry. May 27 17:49:44 Step May 27 17:50:16 Fxspec the dashboard watches the database for new messages May 27 17:50:17 what means nagging? May 27 17:50:31 sorry for asking but i am not a native english speaker May 27 17:51:44 eurisko: like a little kid that keeps asking for icecream. i guess we have a shot at getting it running once openwebos is here. May 27 17:51:58 also i think i'd have preferred an NFC thing in there, instead of what we have now. May 27 17:52:26 madnificent, well i was just curious seing working with my friends touchpad May 27 17:52:48 madnificent: doesn't touch-to-share use bluetooth? May 27 17:52:49 i am quite sure that when i bought the phone the feature was advertise May 27 17:53:18 theoretically, it can be done if you do the 2.2.4 upgrade, however, there's a non-zero risk of your phone being bricked and unrecoverable as far as anyone is aware so far May 27 17:54:02 invalidopcode: think so May 27 17:54:23 eurisko: yes, it was. May 27 17:54:39 EricBlade: really, we /can/ run 2.2.4... but it may not be recoverable... touch choice May 27 17:54:41 tough May 27 17:55:25 bad guys i could sue them if i was rich :) May 27 17:56:20 well i hope Openwebos comes out soon so i can try it out in some strange device :D May 27 17:56:35 the A6 update is, i guess, what some people experienced bricks with May 27 17:56:39 and is required to get it to TTS May 27 17:57:11 EricBlade: i'm not used to bricking the phone so it can't be recovered. it always felt so safe up till now May 27 17:57:14 i thought i'd had a good use for TTS the other day, but then the touchpad just ended up opening the mobile version of the site i was reading anyway, which sucked even more on the touchpad than it did on the phone May 27 17:57:39 i guess as long as you don't touch the A6 Updater, then it's as recoverable as any other webos dev May 27 20:47:03 TTS is bugging me.... so much potential, so limited implementation May 27 20:57:18 so.. is invalidopcode really on IRC right now? ;) May 27 20:57:36 PatrickC: nope. his evil twin here May 27 20:57:41 EricBlade, +1000000000000000000000000000000000 on the IRC messaging plugins :) May 27 20:58:02 invalidopcode, darn.. i wanted to ask him about that pre3 he was getting. let me know when he gets on May 27 20:58:25 PatrickC: hahaha yeah he wanted to ask you something about it too :P May 27 20:59:11 lol May 27 20:59:37 meh.. ill start once my nexus finishes syncing with my music. thatll free up a lot of RAM :) May 27 20:59:42 PatrickC: i see you May 27 20:59:47 * PatrickC hides May 27 20:59:52 PatrickC: you got rid of your webos stuff? May 27 20:59:57 nope May 27 20:59:58 review unit May 27 21:00:07 PatrickC: i always miss you, you only talk when i really have to go to slee May 27 21:00:07 p May 27 21:00:08 still rockin a pre2 as a daily driver :) May 27 21:00:12 \o/ May 27 21:00:42 :) May 27 21:01:20 only invalidopcode would become validopcode ... and thats not easy to do :P May 27 21:01:29 now mr. validopcode should help me make my opcode valid :) May 27 21:02:05 PatrickC: hahaha i think I found a big bug in the IRC plugin, EricBlade May 27 21:02:22 Oh? May 27 21:02:34 wait.... who's validopcode? May 27 21:02:48 * validopcode points at ericblade May 27 21:02:57 hahaha wow May 27 21:03:00 lol May 27 21:03:38 i'm suing you all for copyright infringement :P May 27 21:03:47 now i have most of my RAM back for me to use... time to dig into this thing called wp7 May 27 21:04:14 myopcode: please remain yourself :P May 27 21:04:51 hehe May 27 21:04:59 The best bug was when it was logging off all people using it whenever one of them logged out. May 27 21:05:08 invalidopcode: you only have the rights for invalidopcode, leave the others alone! May 27 21:05:23 <_invalidopcode_> haha nice quit message EricBlade May 27 21:05:28 invalidopcode: you know it's similar to apple suing i :) May 27 21:05:28 madnificent: nope.... my twitter is _invalidopcode_ so i get that too :P May 27 21:05:36 LoL May 27 21:05:55 madnificent: that's exactly what I was referring too :P May 27 21:06:15 <__invalid0pc0de_> :) May 27 21:06:29 so.. who wants to figure out from the Python source for wazapp, how the protocol works? May 27 21:06:29 * invalidopcode wishes he were a channel operator :P May 27 21:06:51 * invalidopcode googles wazapp May 27 21:06:58 EricBlade, youre making a Whatsapp app for webOS? ;) May 27 21:07:01 https://github.com/tgalal/wazapp/tree/master/src/client May 27 21:07:04 * PatrickC tweets about it May 27 21:07:07 /:P May 27 21:07:11 PatrickC: well i could see it happening May 27 21:07:23 you willing to build a messaging plugin for that? ;) May 27 21:07:43 seriously, stop changing nicks, i won't be able to keep track May 27 21:07:46 i can read python, but that guy's code is completely uncommented and rather twisted. at least Palm's source code is fairly well documented, even if it is extremely twisted May 27 21:07:56 either that, or you're forcing me to write an ERC plugin to translate your names May 27 21:07:58 "BREAKING: EricBlade, creator of the Google Voice messaging plugin on webOS announces he is building a Whatsapp messaging plugin!" May 27 21:08:06 hahaha May 27 21:08:31 invalidopcode: actually.. have you seen a recent spat of duplicating incoming messages on google voice? May 27 21:09:05 EricBlade, were they from twitter? May 27 21:09:34 EricBlade: um... nope. No duplicate incoming message here May 27 21:09:50 its been working like a charm today May 27 21:10:04 oh hey PatrickC, how well does Navit work on the pre3? May 27 21:10:11 never tried May 27 21:10:17 i always used NDrive for offline maps May 27 21:10:35 PatrickC: huh? twitter what? May 27 21:10:36 i can show u how to (legally) get ndrive for free May 27 21:10:44 PatrickC: really? May 27 21:10:59 just a few requirements to keep up May 27 21:10:59 does NDrive have turn by turn directions? May 27 21:11:04 its their beta program May 27 21:11:05 yep May 27 21:11:07 NDA? May 27 21:11:08 one of the best IMO May 27 21:11:11 nope May 27 21:11:15 http://beta.ndrive.com May 27 21:11:41 ah okay May 27 21:12:11 ill ask you for help after i get the phone then :P May 27 21:12:15 EricBlade, twitter. its this new way people can talk to eachother via text May 27 21:12:16 invalidopcode, haha ok May 27 21:12:18 * invalidopcode gets lost easily May 27 21:12:25 ive been a beta member for the past year or so May 27 21:12:35 yeah i have no idea what you were referring to with the question about twitter, though May 27 21:13:16 i swear to christ i need to write a patch for the messaging app to eliminate the extraneous alerts May 27 21:15:45 the messaging app could quite a few patches ;) May 27 21:16:12 one of them being whatsapp :) May 27 21:16:17 and twitter... that would be amazing May 27 21:16:26 invalidopcode should write that one ;) May 27 21:17:28 Twitter via messaging app would be.. Terrible.. I think. Maybe just a mentions. May 27 21:17:36 hm... what? sorry I read "invalidopcode should write" and tuned out May 27 21:17:54 yeah I don't think twitter would work well in messaging May 27 21:18:18 webOS-SynIRC, i think mentions and messages would be the best May 27 21:18:33 or even just a nice plugin that formatted all texts from 40404 correctly with links to handles and such May 27 21:19:07 There's a patch that does that... Poor Man's Twitter Client, I think. May 27 21:19:09 oh hey webOS-SynIRC did you ever look into that way of marking messages as read that i mentioned you in here yesterday? May 27 21:19:39 Well you're the Twitter guy, show me some code for retrieving Twitter mentions and dms May 27 21:20:00 you have to authorize with oauth first May 27 21:20:06 by redirecting to a webpage May 27 21:20:09 so it wouldnt be practical May 27 21:20:13 It marks messages as both read and no-notification. Seems to get mostly ignored. May 27 21:20:14 #paininthebutt May 27 21:20:27 * PatrickC doesn't click on the channel :P May 27 21:20:34 hahahaha May 27 21:20:41 Well that would be a good way for me to learn the custom authorization stuff, I guess. May 27 21:21:21 I don't think you can to that unless you had a helper app to grab the token and then have the user manually copy and paste into the accounts section May 27 21:21:51 invalidopcode, no. when the user clicks "authorize" in the accounts app it would just load up a webview with the oauth url May 27 21:22:12 If Twitter does it right, you should be able to embed a webview, and get the authcode from it May 27 21:22:24 yeah but.... can you do that? May 27 21:22:28 webOS-SynIRC, yes you can May 27 21:22:36 not the prefered way to do it, but it works May 27 21:22:45 take a look at Macaw. we use a webview vs launching the browser May 27 21:22:59 Should be able to, I think. Not the preferred way? Isn't that the best way? May 27 21:23:17 I'm more wondering... does the accounts all allow you to load a webview? May 27 21:23:53 actually.... we could inspect the facebook connector, because facebook uses a similar auth mechanism May 27 21:23:57 I don't currently know of a reason why it wouldn't, other than no one seems to know how the custom validator ui thing works May 27 21:24:00 webOS-SynIRC, some people prefer to use a browser to make sure what they are seeing is the twitter site and not a webview of the site through some spam site that keylogs May 27 21:24:45 Screw that :) May 27 21:26:07 haha thats what i think... if you don't trust me, don't use the app... May 27 21:26:07 lol May 27 21:26:38 Invalidopcode I just sent you latest updates, mostly stability. Deals somewhat decently with the GV spam problem, but don't try and stress test it or you'll end up like I did May 27 21:26:59 and how did you end up? :P May 27 21:27:11 his cat grew a third eye May 27 21:27:25 I tried to send 5 outgoing, I sent like 30 May 27 21:27:28 okay thanks webOS-SynIRC May 27 21:28:53 invalidopcode, pm? May 27 21:29:08 sure May 27 21:31:57 This irc is working nicely. Now I think I need to make its companion app useful. May 27 21:32:05 okay webOS-SynIRC installed and installed May 27 21:32:32 webOS-SynIRC, i wanna try! (does it work on phones too? :)) May 27 21:32:38 or with a custom server May 27 21:32:56 I wish the messaging app had a view of who's in a conversation. There's a database spot for it. May 27 21:33:18 yeah... seems like skype would have needed that May 27 21:33:51 invalidopcode, skype does what the rest of the messaging plugins do May 27 21:33:57 display it in the contacts section May 27 21:34:18 it shows everyone in a group chat in the contacts section? May 27 21:34:21 ? May 27 21:34:50 invalidopcode, ah, not for a group chat May 27 21:35:25 yeah May 27 21:35:41 It looks like the Skype service writes a list of people to the database, but nothing else seems to use it for anything May 27 21:42:59 did you guys just all suddenly stop talking May 27 21:43:09 PM :P May 27 21:43:24 and yes, you're still connected lol May 27 21:44:44 blah blah blah May 27 21:44:55 EricBlade: why? are you trying to test something? May 27 21:45:14 no i was just noticing that it had become -really- quiet May 27 21:46:02 ah haha okay May 27 21:46:27 yeah we moved to PM... as I try to teach PatrickC the "complexities" of real programming :P May 27 21:47:00 ask anyone in here, that wasn't easy when i was trying to learn JS ;) May 27 21:47:50 so that's why they all don't like you :P jk May 27 21:50:00 EricBlade: are you going to make the synergv test panel into anything really useful anytime soon? May 27 21:50:39 i haven't really figured out what i want to do with that just yet May 27 21:51:29 maybe an options app? May 27 21:51:42 like with the option to sync sent messages? :) May 27 22:02:46 hmm May 27 22:13:30 * webOS-SynIRC yawn May 27 22:15:07 so do people consider a touchstone a worth investment? May 27 22:15:33 for a pre3? May 27 22:15:38 yes May 27 22:15:48 i love my touchstone. both of them :) May 27 22:16:17 are all phone touchstones the same? May 27 22:16:48 yep May 27 22:16:55 well, im gettin ready to get off for a bit May 27 22:17:08 okay have fun figuring out c# :P May 27 22:17:11 gonna go up to the church and help get things set up for tonights movie night :) May 27 22:17:12 haha thanks May 27 22:17:19 thats a project for tonight :) May 27 22:17:38 ah haha okay nice :P May 27 22:18:47 Dude touchstones are awesome May 27 22:19:54 webOS-SynIRC: haha cool, I'm thinking about getting one May 27 22:20:05 i've never had one May 27 22:20:23 waiting for them to drop in price May 27 22:20:24 i'm assuming amazon/ebay is the only place to get them nowadays? May 27 22:20:39 fxspec06: they're like $5 on amazon May 27 22:20:48 too expensive May 27 22:20:53 wow :P May 27 22:21:39 the phone ones are $5... the touchpad ones are still like $36 May 27 22:22:19 fxspec06: here you go, $3.93 http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Touchstone-Charging-Dock-Pre/dp/B002CMEIWK/ref=pd_sim_e_1 May 27 22:22:41 hmm May 27 22:23:09 * RagingMind hugs is touchstones May 27 22:23:13 *hus May 27 22:23:13 hahaha May 27 22:23:15 crap May 27 22:23:19 *hugs May 27 22:23:29 double crap May 27 22:23:32 *his May 27 22:23:34 RagingMind: i think you ment *his May 27 22:23:46 haha nice May 27 22:24:08 damn, with free shipping May 27 22:24:11 all phone touchstones are created equal right? May 27 22:24:35 *hugs* to you too rm May 27 22:24:41 :-) May 27 22:24:54 fxspec06: woah, you're right... May 27 22:24:55 i hate you right now. making me spend money and all May 27 22:24:58 hahaha May 27 22:25:13 that's less than a starbuck's coffee :P May 27 22:25:23 ok here's the first real official screen shot .. http://ericbla.de/gvoice-webos/?p=496 May 27 22:25:26 * invalidopcode is considering buying May 27 22:25:26 less than a dunkin donut's coolata May 27 22:26:05 EricBlade: cool! i'm in another one of your official screenshots! :P May 27 22:26:25 cool cool May 27 22:26:56 man, idk what i'm gonna do about wild'n May 27 22:27:30 do you want/need any help with it? May 27 22:28:07 I still need a touchstone for my car, this is very tempting May 27 22:28:08 i mean i have c# experience, that's not really the problem May 27 22:28:37 well you know, i may need help May 27 22:28:52 * invalidopcode goes to order because you guys buy them all :P May 27 22:28:57 *before May 27 22:29:26 fxspec06: okay, well I have c# experience too, so if you need anything I could squeeze a few minutes in May 27 22:30:58 RagingMind: I know I already asked this but I want to be 100% sure... the pre3 will work with that touchstone right? May 27 22:31:19 the problem is getting it under 5 seconds May 27 22:31:23 phonegap loads slow May 27 22:31:30 invalidopcode, yes May 27 22:31:35 the pre3 works with the regular touchstones, although it's a bit loose when compared to the pre2 May 27 22:31:48 invalidopcode, I use it on my touchstone, but it doesn't hold to it nearly as tightly as the pre/pre2 May 27 22:31:55 ah okay May 27 22:32:01 yeah, it's funny. just like the veer it's just a tad off on the touchstone May 27 22:32:01 my gf just noticed there's a chunk of her Pre- case missing. she is sad now. May 27 22:32:05 but it works perfectly fine May 27 22:32:25 hm... okay well if it at least works then i'm going to order it :) May 27 22:32:32 i get a lot less charger bing-bong with the pre3 May 27 22:32:34 I may be crazy, but I'm still planning on getting a veer eventually May 27 22:32:51 (as a backup phone) May 27 22:32:56 EricBlade: what bing-bong? May 27 22:33:07 invalidopcode: and it's not that bad at all btw! May 27 22:33:13 you know how when you plug it in, it goes "ding-dong" and says "Charging"? May 27 22:33:20 yeah May 27 22:33:28 okay thanks madnificent May 27 22:33:38 if you don't get a phone on the touchstone correctly, it may stick to it, but it'll ding-dong .. then ding-dong.. then ding-dong .. then ding-dong as the voltage isn't quite right May 27 22:33:45 well, I also have a protective skin on the back of my pre3 cause I'm paranoid like that May 27 22:33:48 after you've done it a few times, you become an expert in it though May 27 22:34:02 ah haha okay May 27 22:35:35 haha okay... i've ordered 4 things on amazon in the last 24 hours, i think I need to stop now :P May 27 22:39:34 amazon is especially good at bleeding one's wallet May 27 22:40:30 haha yeah May 27 22:40:54 that reminds me i need to locate a dell p2311h monitor May 27 22:41:05 i should have just added that stuff to my wishlist... May 27 22:41:36 but at like $2-3 each for webos stuff and a few books it was too good to turn down :P May 27 22:48:30 dammit i really want that monitor, but i can't seem to locate one from a source i'm not suspicious of May 27 22:50:04 hmm. there's also a p2411h model that might work too May 27 22:52:37 * fxspec06 has a new LG IPS display May 27 22:52:51 it's absolutely fantastic May 27 22:53:12 ips? May 27 22:53:34 in plane switching May 27 22:53:44 i won't be taking it on a plane May 27 22:53:52 do i really need to wiki this May 27 22:54:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_LCD#In-Plane_Switching_.28IPS.29 May 27 22:54:26 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel May 27 22:54:34 it's like, lcd on steroids May 27 22:54:41 i'm occasionally latest technology-stupid, i was broke as a joke until i started writing apps May 27 22:55:12 i'd still be broke as a joke, if it wasn't for a couple of game studios that have needed my services though May 27 22:56:07 long story short: easier to read, better contrast ratios, far more accurate colour, no flicker, higher brightness May 27 22:56:27 and easier to read is the biggest understatement of the century. the difference is fairly massive May 27 22:56:35 hmm. well, ok May 27 22:56:48 this Dell that i'm looking at, because I happened to really like the one that I saw in a store that they wouldn't sell me .. May 27 22:57:00 but good luck finding one in stores -- your best bet is online. and you pay a premium. ~$230+ for 20" - 23" May 27 22:57:30 there's a 24" model (the one I looked at was 23), and the regular one is 5ms, 250 cd/m2 .. the IPS one is 8ms, 300 cd/m2 May 27 22:58:37 ya IPS has slower response rates, but unless it's 25 - 50+ms i don't think it matters May 27 22:59:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWXcNlh85Ps May 27 23:00:50 also, the IPS one is 1920x1200, the non is 1920x1080 May 27 23:01:08 i'm not a big fan of 16 x 10 any more May 27 23:01:40 but i suppose a few extra pixels woldn't hurt ;) May 27 23:01:49 i have a 23 inch i think 1680x1050 and a 21" 1920x1080 .. i think i like the 16:10 better May 27 23:02:02