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Jun 25 05:27:47 <LarsN> Hello, from a new HP Touchpad owner, who's equally new to WebOS :)
Jun 25 06:07:29 <LarsN> is there any homebrew software that might allow me to connect a bluetooth mouse to my touchpad, and drive the OS with it
Jun 25 07:19:56 <EricBlade> LarsN: at the moment, no, the GUI does not have a mouse pointer
Jun 25 07:20:54 <EricBlade> a lot of people are hoping that will be an improvement made for Open webOS, and I wouldn't be surprised that even if it's not in the initial release, if it were to come somewhat quickly after, since a lot of people do want it
Jun 25 07:23:37 <EricBlade> anyone have any thoughts on what would cause what appears to be a perfectly valid com.palm.db request to return no results, even though i can clearly see that the items that should be returned are actually in the database, using impostah?
Jun 25 08:01:36 <EricBlade> i am really really regretting my decision to stop drinking mt. dew for a while, this week
Jun 25 08:05:15 <EricBlade> ahaha .. capitalization matters.
Jun 25 08:06:13 <EricBlade> when i spend an hour trying to find a problem, and it turns out to be a single character typo.. i feel like i'm the dumbest guy on earth.  but i imagine most everyone has done that a few times in their programming career
Jun 25 11:08:43 <swisstomcat> hiya
Jun 25 14:16:02 <bigbluehat> LarsN: glad you joined us :) What made you buy a TP?
Jun 25 14:38:15 <fxspec06> so symbian still lives
Jun 25 14:38:20 <fxspec06> http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/25/3113460/nokia-808-pureview-review
Jun 25 14:42:25 <fxspec06> i suppose it's cheaper to release a symbian phone than to licence a wp phone
Jun 25 14:51:01 <swisstomcat> "the 808 PureView is like an armored dinosaur — a visually stunning, internally primitive, beast of fantasy "
Jun 25 14:51:04 <swisstomcat> from said article
Jun 25 18:51:00 <DanaG_> Hmm, anyone know where the stock wallpapers live in WebOS?
Jun 25 18:51:23 <DanaG_> My HP TouchPad has a butterfly-on-flower wallpaper that I can't seem to find anywhere.
Jun 25 18:52:10 <summatusmentis> not off the top of my head, but I think it's somewhere on the USB accessible thing
Jun 25 18:52:18 <summatusmentis> s/thing/volume/
Jun 25 19:33:16 <dwc-> /media/internal/wallpapers I think
Jun 25 19:33:28 <dwc-> or, just "wallpapers" if you connect over usb drive
Jun 25 20:20:04 <LarsN> bigbluehat: I got my 32gb TouchPad on CraigsList for $190.  I had been toying with the idea of an Asus Eee Pad TF300 for a while, but didn't want to blow $400 and find out a tablet wasn't right for me.
Jun 25 20:20:47 <LarsN> bigbluehat: I was a Nokia N900 owner previously, and WebOS is closer to that, than Android is by a long margin.  Being able to dual boot CM9 with WebOS was kind of the killer argument for me :)
Jun 25 20:35:35 <bigbluehat> LarsN: I've got an N800 under my desk :)
Jun 25 20:35:56 <bigbluehat> yeah, I think the multi-boot "feature" is what draws most people in
Jun 25 20:36:03 <LarsN> the 900 was a slick little device
Jun 25 20:36:15 <LarsN> the 800 I didn't like as much.  it was slick, sure, but somewhat less useful.
Jun 25 20:37:39 <bigbluehat> yeah...I use it for the FM radio occasionally :)
Jun 25 20:37:42 <bigbluehat> but not much else
Jun 25 20:37:49 <bigbluehat> I want to put #mer on both it and the TP
Jun 25 20:37:52 <bigbluehat> we'll see tho...
Jun 25 20:45:38 <LarsN> I was reading it might be possible to run Ubuntu or perhaps Debian native on the TP?
Jun 25 20:45:50 <LarsN> is that true?  or does it only run along side WebOS / Android
Jun 25 20:46:29 <bigbluehat> I've heard that as well...someone here (madnificent, maybe....) was trying at one point
Jun 25 20:49:02 <dwc-> possible, but no one's done it that I know of yet
Jun 25 22:24:54 <EricBlade> good news, i almost have the entire actual messaging part of synergv completed and as many bugs as i'm aware of worked out
Jun 25 22:27:12 <RagingMind> spiffy
Jun 25 22:35:10 <fxspec06> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/pdk/accessing-device-sensors.html#supported-sensors
Jun 25 22:35:21 <fxspec06> LOL at device they used for this axis picture
Jun 25 22:37:16 <EricBlade> my entire todo list involves things to fix in Open webOS, extreme corner cases, and parts of the app UI that I haven't yet built
Jun 25 22:39:55 <EricBlade> i feel like i should deviate from the documented desired behavior for synergy, though . . that i should not erase all data held by the connector when a capability is disabled
Jun 25 22:40:09 <fxspec06> i'm trying to figure out if a guitar tuner app is possible
Jun 25 22:40:29 <fxspec06> all we've got to work with is the mediacapture api... which doesn't seem like very much
Jun 25 22:40:36 <EricBlade> well, you can record audio
Jun 25 22:40:59 <EricBlade> dig up the "splMeter" app i think it's called
Jun 25 22:41:07 <fxspec06> yeah. but can i stream the recorded audio
Jun 25 22:41:18 <fxspec06> hm
Jun 25 22:42:43 <EricBlade> it's doing some kind of nearly realtime analysis
Jun 25 22:43:04 <EricBlade> it also tells me i need to muzzle the children
Jun 25 22:43:44 <fxspec06> i found a flash tuner online. my biggest problem would be figuring a way to stream the audio to the .swf
Jun 25 22:44:25 <fxspec06> i don't know much about sound waves
Jun 25 22:44:39 <EricBlade> i don't know anything about audio analysis, but if you can stomach reading the mojo in that splMeter, i'd think it would be a good place to start
Jun 25 22:44:58 <fxspec06> i don't mind mojo very much. but yeah that sounds good
Jun 25 22:45:38 <EricBlade> i wouldn't think it would be terribly difficult to get it to give you information about the frequency of the sound vs the amplitude
Jun 25 22:45:53 <fxspec06> ah
Jun 25 22:45:54 <EricBlade> might be harder figuring out how to do it in enyo or native though
Jun 25 22:45:58 <fxspec06> readings are not 100% accurate
Jun 25 22:46:13 <fxspec06> device measurements
Jun 25 22:46:33 <fxspec06> interesting. i had no idea this app existed
Jun 25 22:46:39 <EricBlade> i would definitely buy a tuner app for my phone
Jun 25 22:47:00 <EricBlade> i have 3 or 4 shitty ones for ios and playbook
Jun 25 22:47:46 <fxspec06> well he must be doing something here to get these fairly accurate readings
Jun 25 22:49:02 <EricBlade> i can't vouch for their accuracy to an actual spl meter, i don't have one of those around anymore, but it definitely appears to work well relatively, in that i have a typical baseline of noise, and it definitely increases/decreases
Jun 25 22:49:08 <EricBlade> appropriately
Jun 25 22:49:49 <fxspec06> i wish i had an actual spl meter. they're not very expensive, and me being the audiophile amongst friends i probably should
Jun 25 22:50:36 <EricBlade> radioshack used to have a couple of decent ones, i seem to recall a lot of people highly recommended the analog one for cases where it's range was acceptable
Jun 25 22:53:21 <EricBlade> hmm. i really want to write the SynerGV 2.0 app in Enyo 2, but Enyo 2 doesn't have the accounts stuff
Jun 25 22:53:56 <EricBlade> not that i've figured out how the accounts stuff works anyway
Jun 25 22:57:17 <LarsN> are there any plugins/patches/magic incantations I can recite that will allow a bluetooth mouse to drive WebOS?
Jun 25 22:58:10 <EricBlade> Klaatu barada nikto!
Jun 25 22:58:20 <fxspec06> he uses the mediacapture api
Jun 25 23:00:03 <fxspec06> and a minor algorithm to convert the audio to db
Jun 25 23:00:29 <fxspec06> this code is stupidly simple
Jun 25 23:00:48 <fxspec06> but converting volume to pitch ...
Jun 25 23:04:08 <EricBlade> http://arc.id.au/SpectrumAnalyser.html
Jun 25 23:04:15 <EricBlade> a bit outside my domain
Jun 25 23:04:43 <EricBlade> LarsN: you can pair a bluetooth mouse, but there is no cursor
Jun 25 23:04:45 <fxspec06> i was on that page earlier
Jun 25 23:05:09 <fxspec06> i didn't want to read it lol. may have to reconsider
Jun 25 23:06:29 <EricBlade> hey fxspec06 you happen to know of any examples of enyo apps that use the accounts api?
Jun 25 23:10:49 <fxspec06> i see your post on vudata on webosnation
Jun 25 23:11:08 <fxspec06> hmm accounts api. well, voogle xl uses a search. just contactspicker
Jun 25 23:11:28 <fxspec06> but nothing on accounts
Jun 25 23:11:42 <fxspec06> you can probably look at the stock email app
Jun 25 23:16:09 <EricBlade> i do recall making a post about that a long time ago
Jun 25 23:19:52 <fxspec06> unfortunately vudata is just volume output
Jun 25 23:21:42 <fxspec06> volume unit
Jun 25 23:24:22 <EricBlade> hmm. that doesn't sound so useful
Jun 25 23:26:54 <EricBlade> well, you can use node.js to launch gstreamer
Jun 25 23:27:36 <EricBlade> i still haven't tested that theory yet, but at least from command line, i've launched gstreamer to make a feedback loop between the mic and speakers
Jun 25 23:28:14 <EricBlade> pipe a gstreamer reading input to a gstreamer outputting to speaker
Jun 25 23:28:41 <EricBlade> so assuming that gstreamer launched from node actually has access to the audio device like it does when run from command line, you should be able to get the raw data that way
Jun 25 23:28:58 <fxspec06> interesting
Jun 25 23:29:08 <fxspec06> i'll have to try that
Jun 25 23:29:22 <fxspec06> i can always write my own code, but raw data comes first
Jun 25 23:29:33 <fxspec06> thx
Jun 25 23:30:43 <EricBlade> i don't have the command anymore, but i cribbed it from the gstreamer wiki
Jun 25 23:36:32 <EricBlade> ok i can't deal with learning new stuff while three of the children have friends over. obnoxiously loud. bbl
Jun 25 23:46:56 <fxspec06> if i ever do make it work, i'm gonna name it: "Guitar Tuner PRO Extreme HD Edition"
Jun 26 00:02:21 <dwc-> EricBlade: maybe you can tune them
Jun 26 00:32:54 <fxspec06> services are confusing
Jun 26 00:33:17 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 26 00:35:53 <RagingMind> maybe they're fixing a bunch of that stuff in open webos?
Jun 26 00:43:31 <fxspec06> hmm. i think i just realized what node.js actually does.
Jun 26 00:57:18 <halfhalo> be nody?
Jun 26 00:57:26 <halfhalo> services!/node
Jun 26 00:57:31 <halfhalo> !=*
Jun 26 00:58:04 <fxspec06> yeah, i was reading the services tutorial and got sidetracked
Jun 26 00:58:18 <fxspec06> they're in the same subsection on the site
Jun 26 01:55:48 <EricBlade> actually, implementing a service isn't really all that difficult, the documentation makes it look horrific though
Jun 26 02:04:50 <Tibfib> EricBlade: yeah it does
Jun 26 02:07:10 <EricBlade> it really doesn't say anything about why you would want one, and gives some really rather useless examples
Jun 26 02:08:24 <EricBlade> honestly, if i weren't concentrating on multiplatform, i'd put any operation that could take longer than a few cycles into a service now
Jun 26 02:12:56 <Tibfib> EricBlade: If I was still focusing on webOS, I'd ask you to explain
Jun 26 02:14:08 <EricBlade> well services are run as a seperate process from webkit, and on multicore, are typically on the other core
Jun 26 02:14:55 <fxspec06> that is some excelent information
Jun 26 02:14:57 <EricBlade> so anything that takes a measureable length of time is probably a good candidate for moving out of webkit, where your UI will block on it, and into a service
Jun 26 02:16:46 <Tibfib> hah, I think I got that stuff. Not the specifics tho
Jun 26 02:38:12 <eblade-synergy> I am probably going to figure out a generic method for Enyo where I can setup an async kind that will either call a palmservice or run other code, and use that to do something similar
Jun 26 02:40:28 <eblade-synergy> Where services get complex is when you need to use the futures lib or some other node flow control lib
Jun 26 02:41:58 <eblade-synergy> My touchpad has stopped turning its display off. That's annoying.
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