**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 02 02:59:58 2012
Jul 02 05:07:24 <JunJi> it's no longer able to login through putty after os update to 3.x
Jul 02 12:21:52 <PlayX> hi
Jul 02 12:22:36 <PlayX> I've seen there is a 2.2.4 Port for Preplus. Can I use it on my Preminus?
Jul 02 12:23:38 <PlayX> or will the test-bellmo-pre-2.2.4 portet to wr soon?
Jul 02 12:24:02 <PlayX> I want to use it on my German OČ Pre-
Jul 02 14:36:32 <tb33>  i am surprised that after 3 years on the market no one made a decent irc client for webos. wirc has issues with the touchpad
Jul 02 14:39:50 <PatrickC> really liking the veer
Jul 02 14:46:48 <summatusmentis> 3 years on the market?
Jul 02 14:46:53 <summatusmentis> the touchpad has been on the market for a year
Jul 02 14:46:54 <summatusmentis> ish
Jul 02 14:46:58 <tb33> I sampled the Veer in the ATT store when it came out. WHo ever thought of that phone should be shot
Jul 02 14:47:16 <summatusmentis> wirc doesn't have issues on other versions of webOS
Jul 02 14:47:34 <tb33> well webos has been on the market for 3 years and there is only one irc client and one office software
Jul 02 14:47:40 <summatusmentis> yes
Jul 02 14:48:00 <summatusmentis> and the irc client works well, except perhaps on webOS 3.x
Jul 02 14:50:01 * PatrickC walked in mid-convo?
Jul 02 14:50:07 <summatusmentis> no
Jul 02 14:50:21 <summatusmentis> you missed tb33>  i am surprised that after 3 years on the market no one made a decent irc client for webos. wirc has issues with the touchpad
Jul 02 14:59:47 <PatrickC> ive never had issues with wIRC on the touchpad..
Jul 02 15:00:02 <PatrickC> well, i take that back.. there is the scrolling issue when not in landscape
Jul 02 15:02:19 <tb33> also can't connect to irc when using mobile data
Jul 02 15:11:07 <unwiredben> JunJi: you'll need to run "pdk-device-install install" again after any OS update to reinstall and activate the SSH daemon
Jul 02 17:50:22 <bigbluehat> wasn't there an Enyo wirc in the works?
Jul 02 17:50:28 <dwc-> yes
Jul 02 17:50:35 <bigbluehat> my only problem with wirc is it can't keep up with my absurd channel subscription list
Jul 02 17:50:46 <bigbluehat> 30+ most days >_<
Jul 02 17:50:52 <bigbluehat> dwc-: can I help? :)
Jul 02 17:51:33 <dwc-> 07:47 < summatusmentis> wirc doesn't have issues on other versions of webOS
Jul 02 17:51:41 <dwc-> 07:59 < PatrickC> ive never had issues with wIRC on the touchpad..
Jul 02 17:51:46 <dwc-> ...
Jul 02 17:51:51 * dwc- disagrees with both of those
Jul 02 17:52:24 <bigbluehat> dwc-: is the Enyo one far enough along to download/use?
Jul 02 17:52:31 <dwc-> bigbluehat: you could check #wirc and ask the folks in charge
Jul 02 17:52:35 <dwc-> there is a public repo though
Jul 02 17:52:51 <bigbluehat> woot! more channels!!1!
Jul 02 17:52:52 <dwc-> I honestly haven't been tracking it, I wirc on my phone
Jul 02 17:52:53 <bigbluehat> :)
Jul 02 17:52:57 <dwc-> 08:02 < tb33> also can't connect to irc when using mobile data
Jul 02 17:53:00 <dwc-> ... on mobile data
Jul 02 17:53:10 <summatusmentis> dwc-: orly?
Jul 02 17:53:17 <dwc-> and wirc-enyo does not look very good on my pre2 ;)
Jul 02 17:53:21 <summatusmentis> I've never had any issues on < 3.x wirc
Jul 02 17:53:43 <dwc-> neither have the two developers, apparently
Jul 02 17:54:39 <dwc-> but my plugin segfaults, there's that scrolling issue (which isn't a wirc problem), etc.
Jul 02 18:13:47 <tb33> if it is not a wirc problem then why does it happen?
Jul 02 18:17:24 <dwc-> maybe you should consult your data provider
Jul 02 18:17:57 <dwc->  dwc- [~nomad@mfb2036d0.tmodns.net] <- me on another network, on t-mobile (US) data, using wirc
Jul 02 18:18:26 <dwc-> CTCP VERSION reply from dwc-: wIRC 0.4.6-e130d1b webOS 2.1.0 (ROW Pre)
Jul 02 18:19:09 <tb33> talking about the scrolling problem. The data issue is because wirc does not support SASL
Jul 02 18:20:04 <dwc-> I've been told (here) that is a webos bug
Jul 02 18:21:05 <tb33> oh well. The OS is so buggy. I don't understand how they expected to be successful with it.
Jul 02 18:22:10 <dwc-> then it's not "can't connect to irc when using mobile data"
Jul 02 18:22:38 <dwc-> which suggests a totally different problem
Jul 02 19:47:48 <rba33> windows 8 upgrade to cost 39.99 for a bit. Tempting but don't know if I want it
Jul 02 19:48:01 <rba33> wrong channel
Jul 02 20:44:54 <fxspec06> who's done in app purchases
Jul 02 20:45:01 <fxspec06> i'm gonna do that with cribbage board
Jul 02 20:45:35 <fxspec06> whole thing will be free, but you'll have to pay to save your game and view stats
Jul 02 20:47:51 <rba33> do you guys still get app sales?
Jul 02 20:51:44 <fxspec06> ya, i do
Jul 02 20:52:21 <fxspec06> i don't get as much as i did last yr, but i def get sales
Jul 02 20:54:21 <dwc-> cribbage board? is it just a scoreboard, or a full game?
Jul 02 20:54:38 <fxspec06> it's a scoreboard, physical board replacement
Jul 02 20:54:56 <fxspec06> maybe i'll add computer as a download later on. i think it'd b fun
Jul 02 20:58:43 <fxspec06> argh. to test, i need to point to the SDK server environment. =|
Jul 02 21:05:59 <rrix> huh
Jul 02 21:06:13 <fxspec06> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/managing_in_app_purchase_items.html
Jul 02 21:06:18 <rrix> EricBlade: didn't you say you submitted that XO update?
Jul 02 21:06:23 <rrix> Like 7 days ago?
Jul 02 21:06:25 <rrix> or more
Jul 02 21:06:33 * rrix still doesn't see :(
Jul 02 21:07:35 <EricBlade> rrix: yeah, it's been over a week now
Jul 02 21:07:39 <fxspec06> my head hurts too much to comprehend this web page
Jul 02 21:07:41 <rrix> Ouch
Jul 02 22:30:20 <EricBlade> uh.. the HP App Catalog is showing at the top of the new apps list
Jul 02 22:32:52 <EricBlade> rrix: i just emailed pdc
Jul 02 22:33:11 <rrix> heh
Jul 02 22:33:12 <EricBlade> i wonder if i should even bother comparing the current app cat ver to the one updated today
Jul 02 22:33:12 <rrix> funnn
Jul 02 22:33:58 <EricBlade> i compared the last 6 that i downloaded or so, and none of the files in the app or service directories had changed
Jul 02 22:34:43 <EricBlade> nah too much hassle to login b ackup the old one and diff it
Jul 02 22:39:54 <dwc-> speaking of which, I should figure otu why my pre3's appcat broke after the last update
Jul 02 23:07:24 <rrix> EricBlade: What is changing in that case?
Jul 02 23:12:00 <EricBlade> rrix: i have no idea, someone on webosnation had said that each one was built with a different SDK version, though I suspect since we don't seem to be getting any new SDKs, that they are using it to slip in some kind of minor changes somewhere
Jul 02 23:22:54 <rrix> Weird
Jul 02 23:34:36 <EricBlade> rrix: I got a note back from PDC that on their end it was showing as "Failed Submission", although on my end, it just showed "Submitted"
Jul 02 23:34:45 <EricBlade> so I have sent in a new one
Jul 03 00:24:39 <jsea> I can't get inside of table with putty since updated to os 3.0.5 :(, anybody had the same problem?
Jul 03 00:24:53 <jsea> table -> tablet ;)
Jul 03 00:33:07 <EricBlade> well, this is fun
Jul 03 00:33:17 <EricBlade> jsea: re-run the pdk-device-install
Jul 03 00:33:54 <EricBlade> the exact same code that i use to make a voicemail directory in GVoice does not work in SynerGV
Jul 03 00:34:15 <EricBlade> Error: EACCES, Permission denied '/media/internal/.synergv'
Jul 03 00:46:12 <rrix> EricBlade: hah, that's fun
Jul 03 00:46:15 <rrix> (re PDC)
Jul 03 00:46:20 <jsea> EricBlade : thanks, i'll try right now
Jul 03 00:46:54 <jsea> EricBlade : not sure if I did it before
Jul 03 00:47:28 <EricBlade> probably did, since you need to run pdk-device-install on your device to install the ssh receiver :)
Jul 03 00:51:52 <jsea> EricBlade : it's working now thanks a lot!
Jul 03 00:52:45 <fxspec06> EricBlade: ever worked with in app purchases?
Jul 03 00:52:52 <EricBlade> fxspec06: i have!
Jul 03 00:52:58 <fxspec06> woo
Jul 03 00:53:08 <EricBlade> it's pretty easy
Jul 03 00:53:21 <fxspec06> i'm trying to figure this out. i totally want the non-perishable kind
Jul 03 00:54:24 <fxspec06> baha https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/in-app-payment.html this is the page i want
Jul 03 00:55:00 <fxspec06> i dislike that i have to doctor to test it. =|
Jul 03 00:56:12 <EricBlade> yep, i wrote this in one sitting from that document, and it pretty much all worked on the first run ... http://pastebin.com/5WYSMtnn
Jul 03 00:56:32 <fxspec06> wow, thank you!
Jul 03 00:57:28 <fxspec06> do you test every time the app is opened?
Jul 03 00:58:17 <EricBlade> well since i'm just doing a pre-purchase thing right now, i check only on first launch of a new version
Jul 03 00:58:33 <EricBlade> i call getAvailableItems() and if they haven't purchased the inApp item, then I offer it to them
Jul 03 00:58:46 <EricBlade> er, call HPPaymentService method getAvailableItems
Jul 03 00:58:59 <fxspec06> k
Jul 03 00:59:44 <EricBlade> i'm sneaking around the system, i'm going to generate a whole new app id for SynerGV 2.0, and then send everyone who inapp purchased a promo code
Jul 03 01:08:13 <fxspec06> the part that was confusing was the stub app part
Jul 03 01:08:41 <fxspec06> from what i see here, i have to have an app first ?
Jul 03 01:09:55 <fxspec06> stub app is basically, testing app
Jul 03 01:11:58 <EricBlade> yeah i think so
Jul 03 01:12:28 <EricBlade> either an already approved app that it's going to get added to, or add a stub app that the final app will be in place of
Jul 03 01:21:47 <fxspec06> so wait, a stub app doesn't have any connection with the final app?
Jul 03 01:23:05 <EricBlade> i don't know i didn't do that
Jul 03 01:23:11 <EricBlade> i assume that the final app would replace the stub app
Jul 03 01:24:41 <fxspec06> i see, you create a stub app first, then submit the stub app to replace the final app.. i think
Jul 03 01:25:33 <fxspec06> so i'd have to make a beta test app to test it maybe ?
Jul 03 01:36:44 <EricBlade> um..
Jul 03 01:36:54 <EricBlade> when in doubt email pdc? lol
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