**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 10 02:59:58 2013 Mar 10 07:24:46 :o Mar 10 07:25:06 and now i know this place exists. Mar 10 07:27:26 csc`: welcome :) Mar 10 07:27:49 hullo there Mar 10 07:29:15 does anyone else feel a twitch of sadness when you go to a palm domain and there's HP logos plastered everywhere? Mar 10 07:30:49 csc`: a little, I do have some nostalgia there with the palm brand. Mar 10 07:31:43 ive been meaning to start poking about in mojo development but i havent had a working machine with internet. Figured i'd click the link in the topic. Mar 10 07:32:19 csc`: strongly recommend developing anything new in enyo rather than mojo, as enyo is open source and has a future (and will run on all the webos devices) Mar 10 07:32:57 destinal, no offense, but i intend to write things I can use. I only own a Pre+ Mar 10 07:33:10 csc`: runs on pre+, too Mar 10 07:33:39 note as above, all the webos devices Mar 10 07:33:48 ill poke about with both. Id presume the 'first app' tutorial provided by palm/hp uses Mojo? Mar 10 07:35:51 csc`: hmm yeah the "Building Your First App" stuff still is referring to mojo apps :-/ Mar 10 07:36:40 i think ill stick with mojo until i get used to working with javascript. Not too awesome at HTML, but its not particularly hard. Never touched javascript Mar 10 07:37:05 i mainly do backend PHP stuff Mar 10 07:39:09 csc`: yeah following the tutorials might be interesting, though at some point I'd recommend checking out http://enyojs.com/ Mar 10 07:39:47 csc`: if you have the current / bing app on your device you have enyo too, so either way works (and enyo will be compatible with future versions of the OS and future devices and so on as well as pre) Mar 10 07:40:19 csc`, sad because this would be awesome in Enyo2 (and well supported) Mar 10 07:40:46 and you could test it on *any* browser Mar 10 07:42:12 ive been wanting to upgrade to 2.1.0, but sadly the threads are a bit confusing, and AT&T never had a doctor for it. ka6sox: What would be awesome? Mar 10 07:42:52 csc`: you don't need 2.x either Mar 10 07:43:17 no, but ive been curious as to what the newer versions of webos have to offer Mar 10 07:43:51 * csc` adds an 'also' behind the first word two lines above Mar 10 07:44:22 csc`: ah yeah there are some cool features. Mar 10 07:45:48 csc`: IMO the HP hardware was ahead of its time. we still don't have anything with a good hardware keyboard and way too many devices require exploit based "rooting" to do interesting tinkering Mar 10 07:46:06 csc`: (and all that only because of palm in the first place of course) Mar 10 07:47:01 eh i love my pre, loved my old pixi before it died a horrible death in a bath of sushi vinegar, but I still find myself missing the form factor of the pixi Mar 10 07:47:38 i dislike the keyboard on the pre when compared to its bastard, the pixi Mar 10 07:47:40 csc`: my wife and two daughters still use pixi for their daily driver Mar 10 07:48:20 destinal, im tempted to order another, tbh Mar 10 07:48:45 I wish it had a bit more RAM but otherwise it's really solid Mar 10 07:49:08 compatibility was the only issue that infuriated me on the pixi Mar 10 07:54:25 eventually, im going to try to stuff open webos on a MID I got from Dailysteals awhile back, a BenQ MID S6. I can't really think of anything else suitable that I like for a mobile device than webos Mar 10 07:54:58 its merely an issue of configuring, the device is i686 Mar 10 07:59:13 csc`: atom tablet? interesting... Mar 10 08:01:06 destinal, scuse the language, but its more of a pain in the ass device. Hunting novacom drivers down is easier than un-chinese-ifying the thing Mar 10 08:02:08 it uses a hardware EC to control hsdpa, wifi, and bluetooth. The kernel driver is closed source and is only for 2.6.18. The second issue would be the x11 configuration Mar 10 08:02:28 the EC is the biggest issue getting anything else to run properly on it. Mar 10 08:02:38 ahhh Mar 10 08:03:47 the worst thing is, someone reverse engineered the module, got all the information needed to write a floss one, promised it, and vanished after posting opcodes/registers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 11 02:59:58 2013