**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 20 02:59:58 2013 Mar 20 20:30:56 How much do you think I can get for a touchpad w folio case and touch stone 16gb? Is 150 too much ? Mar 20 20:31:05 probably not Mar 20 20:31:28 Deihmos, pm Mar 20 22:25:22 i can't see this somewhere and not repost it: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/ Mar 20 23:10:08 got a strange question not really development related but device recovery related, may i ask it here? Mar 20 23:12:21 sure absolutely Mar 20 23:12:33 if i can't answer it, hopefully someone of some knowledge would be able Mar 20 23:13:21 alright so the story follows. The reason I now carry a Pre+ is because my Pixi+ died in a bath of sushi vinegar Mar 20 23:13:30 if you dont know what that is, sugar and vinegar, basically. Mar 20 23:13:47 hmm Mar 20 23:13:48 I think because of the way the Pixi+'s case is designed, that theres a good chance I may be able to doctor it Mar 20 23:13:54 but i think the battery is toast Mar 20 23:14:06 if anything the comm board got doused Mar 20 23:14:25 but after i noticed it was in the bucket i immediately ripped off the touchstone back and flung the battery out of it Mar 20 23:14:43 it will power on, atleast the lcd still works Mar 20 23:14:57 that's good Mar 20 23:15:10 i disassembled it to check for wetness and the comm board was the only thing remotely wet, but i smeared stuff on the inside of the lcd so its all smudgy Mar 20 23:15:32 after awhile of having it plugged in, hoping it will charge, it just stops doing everything. Wont light up or nothing Mar 20 23:15:58 i remember reading the tech sheet on the fuelgauge IC present in the bp1 battery and the pre/pixi/etc Mar 20 23:16:25 would this be caused by the overvoltage-undervoltage protection? Mar 20 23:16:44 should i be able to use my Pre's battery in it without damaging the working battery? Mar 20 23:18:38 id really love to get this poor thing working again as a PDA, fxspec06 :( Mar 20 23:21:04 hmm. so you have it plugged in, but it doesn't charge Mar 20 23:21:27 what is fuelgage IC? what does IC stand for Mar 20 23:22:08 integrated circut Mar 20 23:22:10 integrated circuit Mar 20 23:22:22 fxspec06, see dr battery's about info Mar 20 23:22:24 it has a spec sheet Mar 20 23:22:44 in the event of short circuit, undervoltage, or overvoltage, it opens the circuit and prevents power from flowing Mar 20 23:22:48 I would think that there has to be some sort of voltage regulator built in, but that happens software side ? Mar 20 23:22:59 ah Mar 20 23:23:13 csc`, you ensured the phone is 100% dry? Mar 20 23:23:25 scoutcamper, now it is Mar 20 23:23:37 this is happened months prior Mar 20 23:23:37 has* Mar 20 23:23:40 maybe the sensor is broke Mar 20 23:23:50 i waited 7 days before trying to turn it on Mar 20 23:24:10 my wall wart fell too, but that thing is screwed Mar 20 23:24:14 idk what sensors are in the phone, but is it possible one could be having a false positive that causes it to not charge? Mar 20 23:24:37 ..thats what the fuelgauge circuit does, fxspec06 Mar 20 23:24:37 or is supposed to do Mar 20 23:24:56 i see. i wonder where somline is, if he still around Mar 20 23:25:59 theoretically according to that information, if it happens quick enough, all phones with a palm bp1 battery are virtually indestructable Mar 20 23:25:59 scoutcamper, so its safe to assume id break my good battery if i put it in the pixi, right Mar 20 23:26:20 there is a good chance Mar 20 23:27:11 what about putting the theoretical dead battery in my pre Mar 20 23:27:13 same chance? Mar 20 23:27:13 that's what i thought too, that they were practically indestructible Mar 20 23:27:45 fxspec06, they are really. They'll run until the flash wears out, you drop it in a bucket of sushi vinegar, or you overheat it Mar 20 23:28:29 hrm. i would think that if the pixi has something wrong with the battery circuit, the 'fuelgague circuit', i would only put a good battery in there if i had other good ones too Mar 20 23:28:43 only got one Mar 20 23:28:56 plan on getting a few beefcake ones for the pre though Mar 20 23:29:07 and three more pre+'s as backups Mar 20 23:29:18 unless you have another device to test the charging for the 'potentially bad' battery, i might consider putting the good one in Mar 20 23:29:34 if i can get this pixi to doctor and work, i wont buy another pixi+, but if i cant, eventually ill get another Mar 20 23:29:51 is there a problem with it doctoring? Mar 20 23:30:14 cant even get to the recovery mode at the moment Mar 20 23:30:20 presumably because this usb port doesnt put out enough power Mar 20 23:30:31 and the battery keeps locking the circuitry in the phone Mar 20 23:30:44 according to the data i read, theres a circuit in the phone AND the battery Mar 20 23:30:55 if you remove the battery and insert into a PC with volume key depressed, can you boot into recovery mode? Mar 20 23:31:01 and will only get cleared after a certain point in time Mar 20 23:31:03 oh Mar 20 23:31:10 never mind Mar 20 23:31:37 so, something is preventing power from transferring through the cord then! Mar 20 23:31:46 it can't be battery related? Mar 20 23:32:35 dmesg shows nothing when plugged in Mar 20 23:32:44 so yeah its not receiving power Mar 20 23:32:55 or if it is, not enough to power it on Mar 20 23:34:06 it will claim to charge for maybe ten minutes. After that, nothing Mar 20 23:35:42 hrm Mar 20 23:36:06 so you are getting some current, but then, nothing Mar 20 23:36:12 mhm Mar 20 23:36:19 what's the max watt it comes in? Mar 20 23:36:24 can usb recovery be sustained without the battery? Mar 20 23:36:29 i would take this information and post on webosnation if you haven't done so already Mar 20 23:36:43 hrm Mar 20 23:36:45 i had a big post, but yeah, forums ate it Mar 20 23:37:16 bump it up, send somline a DM and see what he knows Mar 20 23:37:17 like what i mean by that is, can i wait awhile til i can get it to work via just a cable, put the battery in with the vol button held, get the usb logo on, and remove the battery Mar 20 23:37:27 fxspec06, no, the app forums, it ate my post Mar 20 23:37:31 i think sometimes you gotta push the button a bit Mar 20 23:37:33 oh i see Mar 21 00:01:29 fxspec06, you'll never guess what im going to do next :P Mar 21 00:07:35 post on webos nation? put the good battery in? hijack air force one? Mar 21 00:12:12 fxspec06, i want to create a pseudo battery with a fixed power supply Mar 21 00:12:14 :P Mar 21 00:12:32 it won't be happy Mar 21 00:12:48 nah, it wont Mar 21 00:12:59 but all i want to see is if i have a 'charged' battery, if the phone will turn on Mar 21 00:13:04 because it *talks* to the battery Mar 21 00:13:08 over 1-wire Mar 21 00:13:13 i dont want to charge it and supply current at the same time Mar 21 00:13:30 =O oh my Mar 21 00:13:45 ka6sox-farfarawa, perhaps you would know then Mar 21 00:13:55 if i put a known working battery into this device Mar 21 00:13:56 will it murder it? Mar 21 00:19:12 * csc` sadfaces at lack of response Mar 21 00:21:10 csc`, we are ALL volunteers...and its *still* work time where I am. Mar 21 00:21:55 * csc` didn't recall saying anything rude besides making a sad face Mar 21 00:22:06 dont know why you're biting my head off Mar 21 00:23:23 the answer is it *may* drain it or not work... Mar 21 00:23:25 unknown. Mar 21 00:23:57 as long as it wont destroy it and render it useless Mar 21 00:24:07 its the only other battery i have Mar 21 00:24:47 I will NOT guarantee that...AT ALL... Mar 21 00:25:15 to clarify usb recovery mode Mar 21 00:25:30 i wait until it displays the [?], hold only the volume button and insert the battery Mar 21 00:25:32 correct? Mar 21 00:26:10 !! Mar 21 00:26:19 got a bootie device! Mar 21 00:26:30 ..and its gone :( Mar 21 00:26:56 atleast theres hope still Mar 21 00:28:42 usb, you can hold the volume and then insert battery, from poweroff. the official method is on the wosi wiki, but from personal experience i don't think the ? has to display first Mar 21 00:29:18 after its put in recovery it stays there right Mar 21 00:29:19 even with a battery pull? Mar 21 00:30:20 i think its safe to assume that if i can manage to get a bootie device to show, that the device itself is somewhat working, but the battery is nuked. It connects and disconnects, presumably because it has not enough charge to stay on Mar 21 00:30:33 ka6sox-farfarawa, when you get a free second, can you shoot down this theory? Mar 21 00:31:48 if it's in recovery and plugged in, a battery pull should keep it powered on in recovery. you shouldn't need the battery for recovery mode Mar 21 00:32:13 it detects it as a bootie device Mar 21 00:32:20 rather than 'failed to enumerate' Mar 21 00:32:28 but then shortly disconnects Mar 21 00:32:33 you should be able to plug an unplugged USB cord into a battery-less device with the volume key down and boot into recovery, pending there is enough power supply Mar 21 00:32:36 the doctor cant diagnose it yet either Mar 21 00:33:05 maybe its in a boot loop Mar 21 00:33:35 csc`, it will go to the ? if you remove the battery Mar 21 00:33:38 it HAS to see it. Mar 21 00:34:18 bootie will just stop till you fix that issue. Mar 21 00:34:23 period Mar 21 00:35:12 ka6sox-farfarawa, i can get that [?] and a charging icon Mar 21 00:35:14 but no usb icon Mar 21 00:35:28 dmesg keeps saying its a bootie device then shortly disconnects Mar 21 00:36:52 don't remove the Battery PERIOD> Mar 21 00:37:02 if you do it will cease to work...PERIOD. Mar 21 00:37:22 too late for that one Mar 21 00:37:41 then I can't help you..sorry...have a good day :) Mar 21 00:38:37 hmm, trying to compile the omap usb utility and its not compiling due to undefined references Mar 21 00:39:28 omap usb utility. i think i have research to do over the summer now Mar 21 00:41:47 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Mar 21 00:42:17 but of course nobody can help with that either, right ka6sox-away? Mar 21 00:42:42 /sarcasm Mar 21 00:54:28 i don't think ka6sox-away was being rude, he said he was working and he shared some knowledge Mar 21 00:56:20 honestly there just is not a lot of people in these rooms as i think you think Mar 21 00:56:50 but, i am off to sleep. good night Mar 21 01:04:53 cant get this to build and everyone seems to think im wasting my time Mar 21 01:16:47 csc`, what *are* you trying to do (not the little details but overall) Mar 21 01:17:12 the last resort Mar 21 01:17:28 if i cant flash a bootie image via omap3_usb, i give up Mar 21 01:17:29 but i cannot get it to build at all Mar 21 01:18:58 what device? Mar 21 01:21:35 pixi+ Mar 21 01:21:38 i think i figured out the build error Mar 21 01:23:01 nope Mar 21 01:27:07 ka6sox-away, building a tarball of libusb0.1.3 only gave me a libusb.la, which wont build against omap3_usb Mar 21 01:27:15 i cannot get this thing to build against the system library Mar 21 01:35:35 ka6sox-away, http://pastebin.com/bf2Gw7X3 Mar 21 02:02:41 man this is infuriating Mar 21 02:55:32 all that Mar 21 02:55:32 and nothing Mar 21 02:55:32 absolutely nothing **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 21 02:59:58 2013