**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 21 02:59:58 2013 Mar 21 03:22:02 ka6sox, well the good news is it wont fry the battery Mar 21 03:22:26 ka6sox, the bad news is, i think you mentioned the battery tidbit a day late and a dollar short =< Mar 21 03:22:56 going to let it sit for awhile before i try again Mar 21 03:23:27 the information was free and you got what you paid for. Mar 21 03:24:01 well it detects in linux now Mar 21 03:24:09 as a palm bootie device, but it disconnects shortly after. Mar 21 03:24:24 let the omap3 flasher run for a bit in hopes it would snag, no go Mar 21 03:25:16 my new hope is that the phone is indeed locked somehow due to the bad battery, but im afraid to test this battery in my Pre+ for fear that it will nuke the Pre+ Mar 21 03:25:34 slim hope, but a hope nonetheless Mar 21 03:31:16 managed to randomly get a dead lightning bolt. Would you say thats good or bad, ka6sox Mar 21 03:33:15 sorta maybe trying to charge Mar 21 03:34:30 well if i hold the up volume button it displays [?] again Mar 21 03:35:38 any clue whats going on because im baffled Mar 21 03:36:13 one minute it doesnt do anything but loop, the next it thinks its charging Mar 21 03:36:25 then the next minute it doesnt have a battery when it does Mar 21 03:37:53 maybe i should try the other battery again? Perhaps that had something to do with it? Mar 21 03:40:02 1) it sounds battery related (or 1-wire) Mar 21 03:40:17 2) I'm confused as to which battery you are referring to Mar 21 03:40:31 the working one Mar 21 03:40:44 define "working" Mar 21 03:40:49 i think i should try it, when the lightning bolt showed up the omap flasher paused Mar 21 03:41:11 what are you trying to do with your device? reflash it and to WHAT? Mar 21 03:41:35 okay wait a minute... Mar 21 03:41:47 lets back up a minute Mar 21 03:41:56 ka6sox, the one currently in my palm pre which im using to access the internet Mar 21 03:41:56 ka6sox, the one not dropped in a bucket of vinegar Mar 21 03:42:04 you are trying to us omap flasher on a Qualcomm device... Mar 21 03:42:09 why is this supposed to work? Mar 21 03:42:10 i briefly put it into the pixi, the working one, and thats what happened in the end Mar 21 03:42:28 now that i hooked it up to a wall charger, it seems to be flashing the [~] more often Mar 21 03:42:35 maybe it'll boot Mar 21 03:42:48 my question *still* stands... Mar 21 03:42:52 * csc` sure hopes so Mar 21 03:43:01 why are you trying to use OMAP flasher on a QUALCOMM device? Mar 21 03:43:21 is there something else i can use to load the usb recovery image on a pixi then? Mar 21 03:44:05 i am trying any solution that may work to get this thing running Mar 21 03:44:05 i dont see anything else mentioning how to boot the recovery image via usb for a pixi Mar 21 03:44:14 never done that Mar 21 03:44:56 I've done *other* things like use bootie and novaterm to do things...but not try to use omap flasher on a pixi Mar 21 03:44:58 not trying to flash it, i just want it to boot :( Mar 21 03:45:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Mar 21 03:45:44 is what im using Mar 21 03:46:18 and yes Mar 21 03:46:22 i just read the top Mar 21 03:46:23 =\ Mar 21 03:46:27 * csc` sighs Mar 21 03:46:35 did you actually READ that document? Mar 21 03:46:53 the part where it says its never been DONE on a pixi? Mar 21 03:47:14 and the fact that it "will be different" Mar 21 03:47:37 see above Mar 21 03:47:44 i already answered your question in advance Mar 21 03:48:42 then getting frustrated with a channel that didn't even publish that document (it say webos-internals) for not answering your questions seems to me to be missing something. Mar 21 03:49:22 hint: you wont' be able to use omapflash on a Qualcomm device Mar 21 03:49:44 omapflash works because OMAP devices have x-loader Mar 21 03:50:08 ..." if the question mark pops up , let the phone sit there and charge until the usb symbol pops up"... Mar 21 03:50:21 you are MISSING the point Mar 21 03:50:54 a pixi is not going to be able to use anything made for OMAP devices. Mar 21 03:51:18 hmm Mar 21 03:51:25 certainly not to boot or "flash" Mar 21 03:51:44 thats a recipe (if it even attempts to do so ) to BRICK the device permanently. Mar 21 03:51:51 * ka6sox OUT Mar 21 03:52:30 csc`, you have been warned...no crying when it blows up. Mar 21 03:53:45 i am trying any solution that may work to get this thing running <-- if another solution pops up, which it did after i put another battery in it, im open to try it Mar 21 03:54:40 going to try the other battery again, since it seems like defunct one wont charge or keep a charge sufficient to boot into recovery mode Mar 21 04:18:14 ka6sox, shame there's no information on something similar to omap3_usb for the pixi. The flash is indeed corrupt, and the battery i thought was screwed apparently isn't Mar 21 04:18:26 ka6sox, went to the usb icon for a second, then blackness. Mar 21 04:21:09 welcome to Qualcomm HELL... Mar 21 04:22:01 i also managed to get the palm logo to display Mar 21 04:22:06 made me happy :( Mar 21 04:23:21 ! Mar 21 04:23:21 weird, webos doctor picked it up Mar 21 04:23:21 ka6sox, does the usb icon go away once it attaches to novacomd? Mar 21 04:24:03 are you reading the log on the doctor you are running? it tells you what is happening Mar 21 04:24:18 yeah Mar 21 04:24:25 i didnt think to check the doctor honestly Mar 21 04:24:41 i figured once the usb logo popped up and vanished all hope was lost without a qualcomm flasher Mar 21 04:25:02 I would watch what its doing. Mar 21 04:25:14 DOES the usb logo disappear when novacomd hits it via webosdoctor? Mar 21 04:27:27 read what the log says... Mar 21 04:27:40 that will tell you *exactly* whats going on. Mar 21 04:27:46 and when Mar 21 04:28:50 71C@6.2kW....but 69C@5.1kW...not much difference Mar 21 04:29:06 INFO: got controller Mar 21 04:29:15 keeps flashing and disconnecting via usb Mar 21 04:31:30 you can find pixi's for $30..,why are you beating your head on this? Mar 21 04:32:00 why waste the money on a pixi when i havent even been able to buy much food for the past two weeks? Mar 21 04:32:33 think of all the calories expended on this! Mar 21 04:33:38 beans and rice are good...just don't try to BBQ them Mar 21 04:34:14 no meat to put in them Mar 21 04:34:27 i get paid tomorrow so its somewhat all good Mar 21 04:34:30 this is more of a challenge than anything Mar 21 04:34:55 it still shows signs of life and until ive exhausted every possible solution i refuse to throw it away Mar 21 04:35:28 going to go see if i indeed got it into recovery mode Mar 21 04:35:28 brb Mar 21 04:49:30 interesting Mar 21 04:49:40 there was a UVF flag on the Pixi's battery Mar 21 04:50:27 but it works, its charging Mar 21 04:55:56 also seems like the lcd diffuser stopped working Mar 21 05:12:36 * ka6sox-away heads off into the sunrise... Mar 21 05:12:46 cya ka6sox-away Mar 21 05:14:20 well if nobody can come up with a solution to attempting to boot the usb recovery via usb, im going to try the unrecommended with the omap flasher or a generic qualcomm one if i can find it Mar 21 05:14:34 posted in the forums, is what i ment to add somewhere Mar 21 06:13:21 If your battery is toast, why don't you try an external universal battery charger? Mar 21 06:14:25 Like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Stratosphere-SCH-i405-Verizon-EB505165YZ-UBOC-Universal-Battery-Charger-/140675332039?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item20c0e737c7 Mar 21 06:14:32 Might do the trick to get it alive again? Mar 21 06:43:37 Herrie, it isnt toast Mar 21 06:43:41 i already said that Mar 21 06:44:03 geeze, this is the third time someone has not read before they decide to tell me something stupid Mar 21 07:30:04 csc`: the logo goes away to be replaced by palm logo after the doctor sends the installer image over USB and the device boots into it (linux) Mar 21 07:30:29 csc`: or it's a blank screen, I forget Mar 21 07:30:31 destinal, not what happened. The flash is corrupt or dead. Mar 21 07:30:46 destinal, it goes into recovery for about a second, then nothing Mar 21 07:30:52 same when i try to boot it normally Mar 21 07:31:02 csc`: have you tried driving the recovery image by hand? Mar 21 07:31:04 Palm logo for two seconds, then goes off Mar 21 07:31:24 if its possible for a pixi+, please, by all means Mar 21 07:31:24 enlighten me Mar 21 07:31:47 i spent four to five hours compiling the omap3_usb tool on linux just to be told it isnt for the pixi Mar 21 07:31:49 csc`: err just novacom boot mem Mar 21 07:31:59 it's on the wiki Mar 21 07:32:01 sec Mar 21 07:32:17 i googled found nothing and nobody replied to my forum post Mar 21 07:32:28 if you got a USB logo you wouldn't have needed omap3 usb tool even on omap3 Mar 21 07:32:43 destinal, unless its corrupted Mar 21 07:32:46 USB logo means bootie is running and will take a system image Mar 21 07:32:46 which it is Mar 21 07:32:51 nope Mar 21 07:32:54 bootie runs Mar 21 07:33:04 the rest may be damaged but you're somewhere in the boot chain Mar 21 07:33:06 what does it mean if it disappears and disconnects as a usb device then Mar 21 07:33:20 because i can get a bootie device for about 5-10 seconds in dmesg Mar 21 07:33:28 errr.. it doesn't stay at the USB logo indefinitely if you don't touch it? Mar 21 07:33:31 but it just keeps cycling Mar 21 07:33:40 like its boot-looping Mar 21 07:33:50 no Mar 21 07:34:01 csc`: suspect you have more issues than flash then Mar 21 07:34:17 the battery from it is still good, although the voltage seems a bit odd to me Mar 21 07:34:25 3.752 Mar 21 07:34:56 flash corruption that would destroy linux / webos and leave bootie I could see happening, flash corruption that somehow only partially destroys bootie seems much less likely Mar 21 07:35:04 destinal, cant hurt to force the boot image Mar 21 07:35:20 thats the last thing i want to try before ditching it to someone on the forums for parts Mar 21 07:35:57 csc`: you're holding the volume up and powering it on or volume up and plugging in USB to get that logo? Mar 21 07:36:25 yes Mar 21 07:36:29 eventually, but yes Mar 21 07:36:45 csc`: ok so you should be able to run novaterm right then and get a bootie prompt Mar 21 07:36:45 its a pain in the ass to manage to finally get it to that point, but thats what I do Mar 21 07:37:25 how can you novaterm into a device when it disconnects and reconnects to the kernel every five to ten seconds? Mar 21 07:37:58 never heard of that happening even with flash corrupted devices, once bootie start it should sit Mar 21 07:38:21 and I've troubleshooted several with flash corruption over the years Mar 21 07:38:40 prepare for garbled message Mar 21 07:39:17 [38641.196224] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 32 using ehci_hcd || [38641.339140] usb 1-3: New USB device found, idVendor=0830, idProduct=8011 || [38641.339154] usb 1-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 || [38641.339164] usb 1-3: Product: Palm || [38641.339174] usb 1-3: Manufacturer: bootie || [38644.114557] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 32 Mar 21 07:39:33 over and over and over again Mar 21 07:39:34 hmmm so it definitely *was* bootie Mar 21 07:39:42 huh Mar 21 07:40:21 I could see if you weren't holding down volume up how it would cycle since it was trying to boot Mar 21 07:40:31 but you wouldn't get a USB logo in that case either Mar 21 07:40:40 really strange Mar 21 07:40:59 i originally thought it was because of the battery Mar 21 07:41:04 and its lack of charge Mar 21 07:41:19 when i put the pixi's into my pre and had the courage to let it boot Mar 21 07:41:24 it cleared an UVF flag Mar 21 07:42:03 csc`: did you have any extra batteries to try? or have you tried without the battery and just with usb cable? Mar 21 07:42:53 ive tried with a working battery, just the cable, everything you can think of i have tried it Mar 21 07:42:58 shy of forcing a boot image Mar 21 07:43:20 csc`: ok well maybe if you could time it right sending bootie a boot image would work but I expect it'll still die Mar 21 07:43:31 let me see where that wiki article is Mar 21 07:44:26 csc`: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot Mar 21 07:45:02 csc`: you'll have to extract the proper uImage from a doctor image for your pixi Mar 21 07:45:28 destinal, already ahead of you Mar 21 07:45:37 i had that ready for omap3_usb Mar 21 07:45:46 ah right Mar 21 07:46:01 * csc` isn't as dumb as everyone seems to think he is, just stubborn Mar 21 07:46:26 csc`: if you ever do need to recover a Pre btw there's a much better / newer tool that does what omap3_usb did -- https://github.com/nmenon/omap-u-boot-utils/ Mar 21 07:46:38 csc`: called pusb Mar 21 07:46:51 destinal, too bad i already have a working binary :( Mar 21 07:47:06 heh, congratulations. Mar 21 07:47:15 and it wouldve been nice had someone mentioned that, i had a horrible time compiling and linking against libusb Mar 21 07:47:18 I wrestled with that some years ago Mar 21 07:47:23 ubuntu offers no libusb-compat dev package Mar 21 07:47:34 and i probably broke my system copying includes Mar 21 07:48:44 csc`: I wish I knew what the equivalent qualcomm thing was. omap stuff is a piece of cake for me but dunno about qc, never had to try to unbrick a pixi Mar 21 07:49:06 destinal, according to ka6sox-away, there is no tool. Mar 21 07:49:09 if bootie shows up on usb though it usually means you don't need that step no matter how bad the device is off, bootie is small Mar 21 07:49:37 i think the comm board was the only thing that got damaged Mar 21 07:49:46 but regardless i think its a lost cause now Mar 21 07:49:56 unless someone on the forums comes up with a better solution Mar 21 07:50:34 csc`: it could be that bootie is initializing some hardware that's flaking out though and that would be a really really hard problem to solve Mar 21 07:50:50 csc`: only thing I can think of is try to memboot exactly the same second it comes up Mar 21 07:51:33 thats too short of a timespan really Mar 21 07:51:58 ah so it's up for some fraction of a second Mar 21 07:52:11 :( Mar 21 07:52:53 id have to be asian to be able to fix it that way =3 Mar 21 07:53:00 i may work with a bunch but im no asian :( Mar 21 07:53:35 hehe Mar 21 07:54:06 asians are the reason the phone is dead in the first place Mar 21 07:54:09 damn sushi vinegar Mar 21 07:54:11 =| Mar 21 07:55:45 destinal, that link helped me find that elusive bastage dtzWill though. Ive been waiting on a reply to get Odamex compiled for webos for months now Mar 21 07:55:48 so thanks for that Mar 21 07:56:26 csc`: heh you're welcome. damn I wish i knew some better way than ripping apart the pixi and JTAGging it Mar 21 07:56:48 im all for donating it to science Mar 21 07:57:03 ort-jtag.com claims support for MSM7627 which is the pixi's SoC Mar 21 07:57:04 LCD and digitizer should still work Mar 21 07:57:06 LCD works for one Mar 21 07:57:38 but it's not usb and you probably have to tear apart pixi to find jtag pads Mar 21 07:58:17 id probably have better luck finding burnt pins Mar 21 07:58:19 lol Mar 21 07:58:25 :) Mar 21 21:51:41 Anyone know the quickest way to figure out what IP the pre3 has on its active wifi connection? Mar 21 21:51:52 iwconfig/ifconfig not present Mar 21 21:56:30 ah cool; found a util on preware Mar 21 22:29:58 cool Mar 21 22:47:46 hi people, I'm new to Webos, Wolud like to know if this OS can br run on a Nokia N9 Mar 21 23:03:17 Theoretically yes Mar 21 23:03:44 Open webOS that is, but there's still quite some work to be done to make it work ;) Mar 21 23:19:36 Herrie: Hi, and thanks for your answer Mar 21 23:21:07 Do you need help with that? May I contribute with that work? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 22 02:59:57 2013