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Jul 18 12:50:46 <Amish> hi
Jul 18 12:56:17 <Amish> can anyone help me?
Jul 18 13:40:43 <Amish> can anyone help me?
Jul 18 13:41:38 <stefan_schmidt_w> Amish: Getting answers in IRC means you really should start with the question
Jul 18 13:41:56 <stefan_schmidt_w> Nobody can know if he/she can help you without knowing your actual question
Jul 18 13:44:10 <Amish> ok
Jul 18 13:44:22 <Amish> I just got a Veer
Jul 18 13:44:33 <Amish> and I activated my device
Jul 18 13:44:44 <Amish> everything is fine, but App Cat is always stuck at boot
Jul 18 13:45:20 <Amish> I doctored, used Impostah
Jul 18 13:45:26 <Amish> but still the same result
Jul 18 13:46:06 <stefan_schmidt_w> If you doctored it might be better on the webos-internals channl
Jul 18 13:46:32 <stefan_schmidt_w> Never seen this problem. At least not on other devices. Don't have a Veer
Jul 18 13:50:03 <Amish> ok
Jul 18 13:50:19 <Amish> does it have anything to do with the root certificate
Jul 18 13:50:26 <Amish> cause I cant install the update
Jul 18 13:50:53 <stefan_schmidt_w> hmm
Jul 18 13:51:05 <stefan_schmidt_w> I can't really say. Sorry.
Jul 18 14:03:30 <Amish> I can't get App Cat to load on my Veer
Jul 18 14:03:33 <Amish> can anyone help?
Jul 18 14:07:47 <HaDAk> Amish: the root certificate expired. have you updated it?
Jul 18 14:08:03 <Amish> I can't. It says download failed
Jul 18 14:08:17 <Amish> but it isnt July 23rd yet
Jul 18 14:09:06 <HaDAk> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42317455
Jul 18 14:10:22 <Amish> How do I fix download failed?
Jul 18 14:10:28 <Amish> Change the date?
Jul 18 14:10:54 <HaDAk> i haven't tried it before. i can't speak with any certainty
Jul 18 14:11:04 <Amish> My phone thinks its April 11 right now
Jul 18 14:11:10 <Amish> so its not the root certificate
Jul 18 14:11:38 <HaDAk> is it rooted?
Jul 18 14:11:49 <Amish> nope
Jul 18 14:11:50 <HaDAk> can you watch the messages log while you start the app catalog?
Jul 18 14:12:07 <Amish> it is forever spinning
Jul 18 14:12:09 <HaDAk> were it me, i'd enable developer mode, get a shell on it, and watch messages
Jul 18 14:12:12 <Amish> there is no message
Jul 18 14:12:21 <HaDAk> i promise there is
Jul 18 14:12:26 <HaDAk> or should be
Jul 18 14:12:32 <HaDAk> i think it's /var/log/messages
Jul 18 14:12:33 <Amish> I enabled developer mode, how do I watch it?
Jul 18 14:12:43 <HaDAk> shell in. tail -f /var/log/messages
Jul 18 14:12:56 <HaDAk> you might want to pipe it through grep, if you know what you're looking for.
Jul 18 14:13:01 <HaDAk> messages can get a bit noisy
Jul 18 14:13:20 <Amish> I can see them now in the command line
Jul 18 14:13:23 <Amish> what do I look for?
Jul 18 14:13:28 * HaDAk shrugs
Jul 18 14:13:36 <HaDAk> hard to say.
Jul 18 14:13:43 <HaDAk> things that don't look right. things pertaining to the app catalog.
Jul 18 14:13:51 <Amish> since the download failed
Jul 18 14:13:56 <Amish> i cant open the app anymore
Jul 18 14:14:12 <HaDAk> it probably downloaded, but didn't install properly.
Jul 18 14:14:27 <HaDAk> if it borked during install, that could explain it
Jul 18 14:14:45 <Amish> so now I canceled the update cause it failed, openning the app
Jul 18 14:14:49 <HaDAk> less /etc/ssl/certs/trustedcerts/PalmWebOS.pem
Jul 18 14:14:50 <Amish> still stuck in loading
Jul 18 14:15:15 <HaDAk> well, see what's in the cert.
Jul 18 14:15:52 <Amish> what do i do with that dir
Jul 18 14:15:56 <Amish> get that file?
Jul 18 14:16:17 <HaDAk> just type in what i pasted
Jul 18 14:16:27 <HaDAk> it should load up the contents of the file
Jul 18 14:16:51 <Amish> yep
Jul 18 14:16:52 <Amish> got it
Jul 18 14:17:21 <Amish> oh btw, it didnt work when i activated
Jul 18 14:17:25 <Amish> so i doctored
Jul 18 14:17:37 <Amish> right now I am using with activation bypassed
Jul 18 14:17:42 <Amish> and impostah for palm profile
Jul 18 14:17:46 * HaDAk sighs
Jul 18 14:17:55 <HaDAk> app catalog won't work if you aren't signed in with a palm profile
Jul 18 14:18:03 <HaDAk> why are we even troubleshooting this? :P
Jul 18 14:18:09 <HaDAk> use lumberjack to change your profile
Jul 18 14:18:39 <Amish> I used impostah to sign in like this
Jul 18 14:18:41 <Amish> http://www.webosnation.com/bypass-activation-webos-2-x
Jul 18 14:19:08 <Amish> it said success - but when I go to the Accounts app, it still says Dr Skipped Firstuse
Jul 18 14:19:13 <Amish> so I'm super confused
Jul 18 14:20:21 <HaDAk> i'd recommend doctoring it and getting it to take your account
Jul 18 14:20:48 <Amish> I did it twice and got the same result
Jul 18 14:20:53 <HaDAk> hum
Jul 18 14:20:59 <HaDAk> what was the error it threw?
Jul 18 14:21:03 <Amish> nope
Jul 18 14:21:05 <Amish> said success
Jul 18 14:21:25 <HaDAk> when you doctored and signed in, it said success?
Jul 18 14:21:29 <HaDAk> then why'd you skip first use?
Jul 18 14:21:43 <Amish> I doctored, skip first use, and used impostah to sign in
Jul 18 14:21:50 <Amish> it said success
Jul 18 14:22:07 <HaDAk> i assume you tried to sign in to first use before skipping?
Jul 18 14:22:09 <Amish> but also, when I activated normally with sim, I also couldnt use App Cat
Jul 18 14:22:27 <HaDAk> i'd prefer to skip the impostah method at all
Jul 18 14:22:38 <HaDAk> also, i said lumberjack earlier. i think i meant impostah. XD
Jul 18 14:22:46 * HaDAk hasn't had coffee yet
Jul 18 14:22:57 <Amish> I dont get what you said here i assume you tried to sign in to first use before skipping?
Jul 18 14:23:03 <Amish> "i assume you tried to sign in to first use before skipping?"
Jul 18 14:23:42 <HaDAk> when you doctor it, power it on, it asks you for your account information. i'm assuming you tried signing in, and it failed..then you skipped first use, and used impostah to sign in. right?
Jul 18 14:23:59 <Amish> no, i went straight to developer mode
Jul 18 14:24:21 <Amish> and then impostah sign in
Jul 18 14:24:23 <HaDAk> so, doctor it and sign in the right way?
Jul 18 14:24:32 <Amish> didnt work, doctored again, impostah again
Jul 18 14:24:40 <Amish> I don't have the proper sim anymore
Jul 18 14:24:50 <HaDAk> you should be able to activate off of wifi
Jul 18 14:25:00 <HaDAk> iirc
Jul 18 14:25:19 <Amish> you cant
Jul 18 14:25:22 <HaDAk> hum
Jul 18 14:25:28 <HaDAk> i know eric has done this many times.
Jul 18 14:25:34 <HaDAk> i wish he was here. let me text him.
Jul 18 14:25:40 <Amish> thanks
Jul 18 14:26:03 <Amish> I activated properly the first time, it even restored palm profile stuff
Jul 18 14:26:09 <Amish> maybe that is what caused the problem?
Jul 18 14:26:25 <Amish> it was palm profile info from 2.2.4 pre 3
Jul 18 14:26:39 <HaDAk> doubtful
Jul 18 14:26:57 <HaDAk> what version are you on with this phone?
Jul 18 14:27:02 <Amish> 2.1.2
Jul 18 14:27:10 <Amish> veer
Jul 18 14:27:19 * HaDAk checks
Jul 18 14:27:28 <Amish> i tried using the old palm profile, didnt work, tried creating new one didnt work
Jul 18 14:28:22 <HaDAk> what carrier?
Jul 18 14:28:30 <Amish> im outside the us
Jul 18 14:28:34 <Amish> but the veer is unlocked
Jul 18 14:28:44 <HaDAk> hans@hermes:~/webOS Doctors/Veer$ ls
Jul 18 14:28:44 <HaDAk> AT&T  O2 Germany, UK and Ireland : Movistar Spain
Jul 18 14:28:45 <HaDAk> :P
Jul 18 14:28:55 <Amish> when I used impostah, i selected us (palm)
Jul 18 14:28:55 <HaDAk> hum
Jul 18 14:28:58 <HaDAk> all i have is 2.1.1
Jul 18 14:29:07 <Amish> should i have selected us (att)
Jul 18 14:29:19 <HaDAk> not sure.
Jul 18 14:29:21 <Amish> the device is att
Jul 18 14:29:26 <Amish> i used att doctor
Jul 18 14:29:27 <HaDAk> do you have the doctor for 2.1.2, by the way?
Jul 18 14:29:33 <HaDAk> aha
Jul 18 14:29:35 <HaDAk> well, that helps
Jul 18 14:29:40 <Amish> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_Versions#Veer_2
Jul 18 14:29:48 <HaDAk> i have 2.1.2
Jul 18 14:29:50 <Amish> there is only 1 official version for the Veer
Jul 18 14:29:53 <HaDAk> ok. that's the latest it would appear
Jul 18 14:29:59 * HaDAk never owned a veer
Jul 18 14:30:03 <Amish> they never updated it :(
Jul 18 14:30:07 <HaDAk> unfortunate
Jul 18 14:30:46 * HaDAk ponders
Jul 18 14:31:06 <Amish> should i try doctoring, skip first use, and impostah using us (att)?
Jul 18 14:31:20 <Amish> i used us (palm) earlier
Jul 18 14:31:26 <HaDAk> it can't break it further
Jul 18 14:31:56 <Amish> LOL
Jul 18 14:32:11 <HaDAk> i just wish you could sign in without using impostah
Jul 18 14:33:19 <HaDAk> no answer from eric
Jul 18 14:33:21 <HaDAk> :|
Jul 18 14:33:28 <HaDAk> he might be on a plane. i'd have to check his twitter.
Jul 18 14:34:10 <HaDAk> he hasn't checked in for 15 hours. so much for that
Jul 18 14:35:41 <HaDAk> i'll give that much to palm…it's fking impossible to brick one of these phones
Jul 18 14:43:12 <Amish> I have a question
Jul 18 14:43:21 <Amish> the reason I cannot activate using a sim is because
Jul 18 14:43:33 <Amish> the Veer has 3g band 850
Jul 18 14:43:49 <Amish> my carrier is 900, so when I put in my sim, I dont get a data connection
Jul 18 14:43:56 <Amish> So i had to use my friend's sim
Jul 18 14:44:27 <Amish> but even if the Veer doesnt support the 3g band, shouldnt it revert to Edge or GPRS
Jul 18 14:44:34 <Amish> I don't even get Edge or GPRS
Jul 18 14:44:52 <Amish> and I can't change my apn either
Jul 18 14:51:54 <Amish> hi, you there?
Jul 18 14:56:22 <HaDAk> sorry. work stuff
Jul 18 14:57:46 <HaDAk>  	2G Network 	GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
Jul 18 14:57:46 <HaDAk> 3G Network 	HSDPA 850 / 1900
Jul 18 14:57:46 <HaDAk>   	HSDPA 900 / 2100
Jul 18 14:58:23 <HaDAk> so, it should work on 2G
Jul 18 14:58:37 <HaDAk> it looks like the AT&T version is the 850/1900, and the international version is the 900/2100
Jul 18 14:58:56 <HaDAk> but either way, you should be set on 2g
Jul 18 14:59:22 <Amish> I know, and yet I'm not getting any data
Jul 18 14:59:31 <Amish> the thing is, when I dont get data upon signing it
Jul 18 14:59:40 <Amish> it gives me an option to change apn settings
Jul 18 14:59:55 <Amish> and the filled in apn is wrong, and I cannot change it
Jul 18 14:59:59 <Amish> it says Invalid settings
Jul 18 15:00:00 <HaDAk> hum
Jul 18 15:00:11 <HaDAk> that sounds like why it's not working
Jul 18 15:01:37 <HaDAk> can you turn on wifi?
Jul 18 15:01:42 <Amish> no
Jul 18 15:01:54 <HaDAk> quite a predicament.
Jul 18 15:02:20 <HaDAk> i understand why you went the route you did before.
Jul 18 15:02:31 <HaDAk> but i'm running out of ideas to fix it.
Jul 18 15:02:34 <Amish> should i skip first use, edit the carrier,json file so something
Jul 18 15:02:38 <Amish> then try to sign in
Jul 18 15:02:43 <Amish> with my 900 band sim
Jul 18 15:02:51 <HaDAk> hop in to #webos-ports
Jul 18 15:02:52 <Amish> I dont even get data, I should be
Jul 18 15:07:04 <Amish> no one is replying
Jul 18 15:07:27 <HaDAk> scoutcamper is :)
Jul 18 15:15:24 <Amish> I think hes afk
Jul 18 15:18:49 <HaDAk> somebody'll answer. it can be slow…most of these guys have day jobs
Jul 18 15:25:31 <Amish> #webos-ports
Jul 18 15:25:37 <HaDAk> yeah
Jul 18 15:29:37 <Amish> should i just skip firstuse again, and try impostah login
Jul 18 15:29:45 <Amish> but this time with us (att)
Jul 18 15:29:52 <Amish> what is the difference?
Jul 18 15:33:38 <HaDAk> i don't know.
Jul 18 15:34:18 <Amish> fingers-crossed
Jul 18 15:34:20 <Amish> doing it!!!
Jul 18 15:35:32 <fx1> do itttttttttttttttttttttttt\
Jul 18 15:35:44 * HaDAk slaps fx1 around with a large, smelly trout
Jul 18 15:36:47 <Amish> why doesnt it just work :(
Jul 18 15:36:50 <Amish> app cat
Jul 18 15:36:58 * fx1 fries an egg in the middle of his driveway
Jul 18 15:37:12 <HaDAk> fx1: why do you think i'm not going outside…until i have to walk back to the hotel? T.T
Jul 18 15:37:34 <fx1> it's 104 out right now, in the sun
Jul 18 15:37:36 <Amish> does anyone know whether the impostah sign in works
Jul 18 15:37:47 <Amish> if the account in the Accounts app is still Dr Skipped Firstuse
Jul 18 15:38:01 <fx1> and i can't for the life of me get vnc on the playbook to work. i tried all 7 free VNC apps, none work
Jul 18 15:38:17 <Amish> they also wont give you BB10
Jul 18 15:38:23 <Amish> but they will "make it right"
Jul 18 15:38:25 <HaDAk> make fx1 fix it.
Jul 18 15:38:30 <fx1> yeah, i know no BB10 ="( i'm broken-hearted
Jul 18 15:38:31 <HaDAk> he needs to earn his keep
Jul 18 15:39:01 <fx1> i'll fix it all right, appoint me chairman and i'll hire a guy named Leo to fix everything
Jul 18 15:39:14 <Amish> dont even interview him too
Jul 18 15:39:33 <fx1> he's a foreign guy, we know next to nothing about him -- seems legit!
Jul 18 15:39:44 <Amish> the board hated Hurd
Jul 18 15:39:49 <Amish> they wanted him out
Jul 18 15:39:53 <Amish> that scandal was perfect
Jul 18 15:40:05 <fx1> idk if they hated HIM, i think they hated the idea of spending that kind of money on an unknown
Jul 18 15:40:19 <Amish> Hurd always fought the board
Jul 18 15:40:20 <fx1> they needed that money to use for their own agenda, webos was an obstacle
Jul 18 15:40:34 <fx1> they definitely hated the movement
Jul 18 15:41:27 <Amish> will us (att) work without att sim
Jul 18 15:41:35 <fx1> no matter what BB shoulda def given us a bone. it's like the pre+ not gettinv 2.x all over again!
Jul 18 15:42:01 <Amish> i just selected us (att)
Jul 18 15:42:03 <fx1> idk that much about sim cards and impostah. the most i've done w/ impostah is skip first use a few times when i was meta-doctoring my pre+
Jul 18 15:42:05 <Amish> fingers crossed!
Jul 18 15:42:19 <Amish> success
Jul 18 15:42:22 <Amish> now going to app cat
Jul 18 15:43:18 <fx1> i remember to get around the dr first use profile glitch you had to manually insert/change a token at the right time -- ah the good ole days
Jul 18 15:43:37 <Amish> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Jul 18 15:43:40 <Amish> no change
Jul 18 15:47:05 <fx1> i wish i could be more help =\
Jul 18 18:27:39 <dwc-> wifi profiles
Jul 18 18:28:07 <dwc-> doctor+wifi profiles + sign in the regular way
Jul 18 18:28:17 <dwc-> iirc
Jul 18 22:11:45 <dwc-> dkirker: thanks for the info
Jul 18 22:17:00 <dkirker> dwc-: you're welcome!
Jul 19 02:35:11 <Amish> hi
Jul 19 02:41:25 <fx1> hola
Jul 19 02:41:53 <Amish> I have more errors for App Cat now
Jul 19 02:42:10 <Amish> error with AppLists not defined, and Error in obtaining deviceId
Jul 19 02:43:48 <fx1> you've got a valid palm profile? not Dr. Skipped First Use? (i have to ask)
Jul 19 02:44:55 <Amish> skipped first use, signed in with impostah
Jul 19 02:47:02 <fx1> hrm. idk that much about app cat login issues, but i am pretty sure skipped first use is baad
Jul 19 02:47:02 <Amish> I dont know if the sign in worked, because it said Successful, but the account in Accounts is still Dr Skipped FIrstuse
Jul 19 02:47:21 <Amish> I also couldnt load AppCat when I activated with sim
Jul 19 02:47:27 <Amish> dont know what errors it had though
Jul 19 02:50:40 <Amish> I doctored quite a few times
Jul 19 02:50:45 <Amish> still cant load AppCat
Jul 19 02:50:57 <Amish> should I try removing my device from my Palm profile?
Jul 19 02:51:03 <Amish> then sign in with impostah?
Jul 19 02:54:31 <fx1> i'm really not knowledgable in what youre' doing and i don't want to give bad advice =(
Jul 19 02:56:16 <Amish> aaaaaaaaaaah
Jul 19 02:56:45 <Amish> i just removed the device from my palm profile, going to doctor and try impostah signin agn
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