**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 25 02:59:58 2014 Apr 25 04:13:28 hi :P Apr 25 04:14:02 I'm poking around at the moment trying to identify a particular type of "case" for the old Palm m500 Apr 25 04:14:12 I can see it in these two eBay photos: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Palm-M500-with-Leather-case-stylus-charging-data-cable-and-2gb-SD-card-/251493738467?pt=PDA_s_Pocket_PC_s&hash=item3a8e31e7e3&nma=true&si=Nn0fUnOF3V4kakuSG%252B0SIXPP1pk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Apr 25 04:14:15 woops Apr 25 04:14:19 wrong URL, hang on Apr 25 04:14:35 here you go: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxNjAw/z/tP4AAOxy0zhTOyoO/$_10.JPG and http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzg0WDE2MDA=/z/mBUAAOxy3zNSpgSR/$_10.JPG Apr 25 04:14:41 ^ those two are the pictures Apr 25 04:16:18 at any rate, I've no idea what to google for to find it, but it appears to be manufactured/branded by Palm, as you can vaguely see in here: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxNjAw/z/voUAAOxyCGNTOyoi/$_10.JPG Apr 25 04:16:36 suggestions/advice/info appreciated :D Apr 25 05:10:20 oh, I found it, it's the flip cover: http://www.palmdr.com/cart/m500-series-leather-flip-cover-p-82.html Apr 25 05:38:18 hmm Apr 25 05:38:42 i336_: i have a few old PDAs, some of them palm Apr 25 05:38:45 wanna buy them? ;p Apr 25 05:39:04 possibly, you would need to consider shipping to .au Apr 25 05:39:07 what kinds? :D Apr 25 05:39:08 ohh Apr 25 05:39:16 ummm palm zire z2 and z1 Apr 25 05:39:19 hrm Apr 25 05:39:28 er, z22 Apr 25 05:39:39 and... a zire with the flip up camera thing? Apr 25 05:39:47 interesting Apr 25 05:39:49 er, slide up i should say Apr 25 05:39:51 * i336_ asks google what that means Apr 25 05:39:52 :P Apr 25 05:40:08 oooooo, the zire 71 Apr 25 05:40:12 * i336_ never noticed that before Apr 25 05:40:25 yeah 71 Apr 25 05:40:39 i dont actually know if it works or not.... lol Apr 25 05:40:42 oh lolol Apr 25 05:40:42 no cable to charge it Apr 25 05:40:45 :< Apr 25 05:40:59 the z22 works though :P Apr 25 05:41:03 :P Apr 25 05:41:10 lol, 144MHz + 32MB RAM (for the '71) Apr 25 05:41:12 hilarious Apr 25 05:41:18 yeppp Apr 25 05:41:25 (the RAM, I mean :P) Apr 25 05:41:46 ooh, 300k camera FTW...? hrm Apr 25 05:42:04 ah. no haz Wi-Fi or BT Apr 25 05:42:09 that kinda makes it all fall apart :P Apr 25 05:42:40 oh i guess so Apr 25 05:42:45 i thought it atleast had bluetooth Apr 25 05:42:48 oh? Apr 25 05:42:51 idk Apr 25 05:42:52 * i336_ stabs pdadb then Apr 25 05:42:55 like i said never turned the damn thing on Apr 25 05:42:57 so can't be sure Apr 25 05:43:00 never? wowow Apr 25 05:43:04 nope Apr 25 05:43:06 O.o Apr 25 05:43:07 wow Apr 25 05:43:12 found it at a thrift store and couldn't help Apr 25 05:43:14 buying it Apr 25 05:43:15 * i336_ inquires where (how?)...ohh... I see. Apr 25 05:43:17 XD Apr 25 05:43:42 this is the same store where i found $2,000 hearing aids.... for $6 Apr 25 05:43:47 those will be going up on ebay soon. Apr 25 05:43:47 O_O Apr 25 05:43:51 ahahahaha :D Apr 25 05:43:53 lol Apr 25 05:44:03 that definitely squashes my $6 500GB HDD haha Apr 25 05:44:23 still, that's a good find too Apr 25 05:44:37 the best I've ever found (in/of any genre) :P Apr 25 05:44:43 besides my Ericsson MC218, of course. Apr 25 05:44:51 considering it was in as-new condition Apr 25 05:45:16 but at any rate, in the face of, say, a Clie TH-55 or a UX50 (which aren't impossible to find on ebay...) which have Wi-Fi (the UX50 adds BT, or if you can find a TH-55E, you also get BT), the camera is slightly more awesome there Apr 25 05:45:21 because you can use it was a webcam :> Apr 25 05:45:32 oh cool Apr 25 05:45:56 and give me enough time with the palm SDK, and I could probably write a skype-type thing for it Apr 25 05:46:06 the UX50 in particular, which has a directional camera that can be faced inward Apr 25 05:46:07 :D Apr 25 05:46:21 i think i saw one of those Apr 25 05:46:30 nice =P Apr 25 05:46:31 you know what i want? one of those Linux PDAs Apr 25 05:46:33 * i336_ has decided he likes them Apr 25 05:46:36 well Apr 25 05:46:39 not android Apr 25 05:46:43 the zaurus is kinda cool, but... Apr 25 05:46:46 yeah Apr 25 05:46:48 that's what i mean Apr 25 05:46:56 or wait, there was some SHARP one... Apr 25 05:47:01 Sharp Zaurus :P Apr 25 05:47:07 they don't run the latest kernels - I actually think they run, um, ......kernel... 2.4. Apr 25 05:47:16 if I'm not misteaken. Apr 25 05:47:52 for a "good" Linux PDA... that's really hard, actually. Apr 25 05:48:27 the best you can probably do is basically get android, rip it apart (dump everything that makes it android), get an X server app, and set up a chroot Apr 25 05:48:42 that gives you, well, whatever you want, eg the new 8-core-CPU phones Apr 25 05:49:13 besides that, if you want something "native", get a nokia N series tablet-ey thingy Apr 25 05:49:28 this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBKcylUsdJo Apr 25 05:49:29 they're VERY VERY INSANELY AMAZINGLY slow, but they natively ship running X Apr 25 05:49:51 right. Apr 25 05:50:02 do want Apr 25 05:50:08 if only just as a collectible Apr 25 05:50:10 but still, want. Apr 25 05:50:22 :P I can see why, but they're... less than practical Apr 25 05:50:28 practically speaking Apr 25 05:50:30 * i336_ hides Apr 25 05:50:44 how is it not practical? Apr 25 05:51:36 oh, wait, that one has an HDD in it Apr 25 05:52:03 I can see the attraction Apr 25 05:52:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sharp_Zaurus_SL-C1000_--_open_1280x960.jpg Apr 25 05:52:05 :> Apr 25 05:52:31 that's the C1000, but... I still kinda get it Apr 25 05:52:34 yes it's a very beautiful unit Apr 25 05:52:44 * i336_ pokes the contents of the screen Apr 25 05:53:03 looks like emacs or something on the screen Apr 25 05:53:08 no, midnight commander Apr 25 05:53:11 lol Apr 25 05:53:19 oh ok Apr 25 05:53:24 * i336_ wonders why he likes the Clie UX50 more :/ Apr 25 05:53:30 it just looks insanely cooler Apr 25 05:53:38 * i336_ tries to find that pic he has Apr 25 05:53:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coaLLGn0evs Apr 25 05:54:59 skip to 7:39 for it booting Apr 25 05:55:08 wow, before they ran linux Apr 25 05:55:21 yeah Apr 25 05:55:22 :D Apr 25 05:55:38 I should probably mention that a combination of something like 500MB left in my monthy cap + having to download videos means I don't generally watch youtube videos :P Apr 25 05:55:44 * i336_ should have said something before, sorry Apr 25 05:56:04 ohhh Apr 25 05:56:07 data caps.... harsh Apr 25 05:56:08 (download #1 so I don't have to download again and #2 so I can watch them through ffplay) Apr 25 05:56:09 Yikes! An error occurred: 'ConfigDict' object has no attribute 'chiliproject_apikey' Apr 25 05:56:09 !# None Apr 25 05:56:16 LOL Apr 25 05:56:33 (a # b # c) Apr 25 05:56:37 (a #1 b #2 c) Apr 25 05:56:37 Yikes! An error occurred: 'ConfigDict' object has no attribute 'chiliproject_apikey' Apr 25 05:56:38 !# None Apr 25 05:56:41 (a #1 b) Apr 25 05:56:41 Yikes! An error occurred: 'ConfigDict' object has no attribute 'chiliproject_apikey' Apr 25 05:56:41 !# None Apr 25 05:56:44 (#1) Apr 25 05:56:44 Zoiks! An error occurred: 'ConfigDict' object has no attribute 'chiliproject_apikey' Apr 25 05:56:44 !# None Apr 25 05:56:45 #1 Apr 25 05:56:45 Ouch! An error occurred: 'ConfigDict' object has no attribute 'chiliproject_apikey' Apr 25 05:56:45 !# None Apr 25 05:56:49 #a Apr 25 05:56:51 #10 Apr 25 05:56:51 Yikes! An error occurred: 'ConfigDict' object has no attribute 'chiliproject_apikey' Apr 25 05:56:51 !# None Apr 25 05:57:32 >_> Apr 25 05:57:38 #help Apr 25 05:57:53 lol Apr 25 05:57:58 #1337 Apr 25 05:57:58 Ouch! An error occurred: 'ConfigDict' object has no attribute 'chiliproject_apikey' Apr 25 05:57:59 !# None Apr 25 05:58:37 XD Apr 25 05:58:47 * i336_ has told cryptk, who owns/maintains synergybot Apr 25 05:58:49 so that's that Apr 25 05:58:54 oh ok :) Apr 25 05:59:01 and yeah, i had a nokia n770 Apr 25 05:59:05 nice \o/ Apr 25 05:59:07 like 5-7 years ago Apr 25 05:59:12 it was fun times Apr 25 05:59:15 cool... sloooooow....? :P Apr 25 05:59:22 ummm well yeah by today's standards Apr 25 05:59:25 yeah Apr 25 05:59:34 i think it had like... a 300mhz cpu Apr 25 05:59:40 but I mean, 64MB RAM + 216MHz CPU = not *that* bad Apr 25 05:59:45 but back then it was like "HOLY SHIT AN INTERNET "TABLET"" Apr 25 05:59:49 ahaha Apr 25 06:00:01 i had to explain to everyone that it WASNT a phone Apr 25 06:00:03 (nokia branding) Apr 25 06:00:06 heh, yeah. Apr 25 06:00:15 I only learned/realized today that the n800 actually has the same sized screen Apr 25 06:00:19 oh and i also had the n900 Apr 25 06:00:21 (was a phone) Apr 25 06:01:13 nice! Apr 25 06:01:25 i still want an n9 Apr 25 06:01:30 mmm :P Apr 25 06:01:31 the meego phone Apr 25 06:01:45 which has maemo roots Apr 25 06:01:48 yeah Apr 25 06:01:57 and then there's the jolla phone Apr 25 06:02:04 which has meego/maemo/etc Apr 25 06:02:07 combined Apr 25 06:02:17 then there's Mer, which combines all three Apr 25 06:02:22 yeah lol Apr 25 06:02:24 * i336_ successfully becomes confused Apr 25 06:02:25 :P Apr 25 06:02:28 confusing, indeed Apr 25 06:02:30 then there's tizen Apr 25 06:02:32 which is...??? Apr 25 06:02:35 i dont even know Apr 25 06:02:42 haha Apr 25 06:02:45 yeah >.> O.o Apr 25 06:06:16 i have an "ireadygo much i5" Apr 25 06:06:24 ddg/bing/google it :P Apr 25 06:06:45 oh ok Apr 25 06:06:50 and I finally found that picture: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-UOtuGY2SE4/TJrBpXEzIfI/AAAAAAAABhA/kaz-WEmw34s/s1600/DSC07169.JPG Apr 25 06:06:53 teh awesome :> Apr 25 06:08:04 ooh, an android tablet with gaming buttonz Apr 25 06:08:05 nice :D Apr 25 06:08:45 * i336_ pokes wrea's quassel client Apr 25 06:08:53 yeah it's fun Apr 25 06:08:58 quassel is supposed to let you just disconnect from the server :P not disconnect from IRC Apr 25 06:09:01 it has 3g built in too... so it's basically a phone Apr 25 06:09:07 O.o wow nice! Apr 25 06:09:48 lol @ "palm OS 5!" Apr 25 06:10:11 hm? Apr 25 06:10:28 the pic Apr 25 06:10:33 ohh, right =P Apr 25 06:11:20 well, i bought an HP touchpad GO.... Apr 25 06:11:23 for $67 Apr 25 06:11:26 o.o Apr 25 06:11:31 ooh, awesome \o/....awesomeeee Apr 25 06:11:35 !!1 nice! Apr 25 06:12:00 it has 3G built in too Apr 25 06:12:11 huh. interesting Apr 25 06:12:23 * i336_ wonders if you've tried/used the UX50 simulator Apr 25 06:12:37 no, i haven't Apr 25 06:12:38 http://i.imgur.com/MNO04Nk.png Apr 25 06:12:53 VERY nice Apr 25 06:13:05 although I don't think Palm got the "16:9 looks cooler than 4:3" memo Apr 25 06:13:14 lol Apr 25 06:13:19 :P Apr 25 06:13:23 neither did the original ipad then Apr 25 06:13:28 iirc Apr 25 06:13:31 oh, yeah.... you're right Apr 25 06:13:32 lol Apr 25 06:13:38 :) Apr 25 06:14:04 WebOS is actually alive and well Apr 25 06:14:11 being used in LG tvs Apr 25 06:15:55 yeah, it's cool (kinda) Apr 25 06:16:58 also: http://z7.vxe6.net/CLIE_PalmSim_landscape.zip if you're interested in fancy 3D effects (it's for windows 2000+) Apr 25 06:17:29 oh Apr 25 06:17:31 i'm on linux Apr 25 06:17:37 how fast is your box? Apr 25 06:17:45 CPU~Quad core Intel Core i7-3610QM CPU (-HT-MCP-) clocked at Min:1200.000Mhz Max:2301.000Mhz Kernel~3.11.0-12-generic x86_64 Up~4 days Mem~3053.3/7948.4MB HDD~750.2GB(18.8% used) Procs~262 Client~Unknown : hexchat inxi~1.8.4 Apr 25 06:17:48 oooo Apr 25 06:18:02 nice :D Wine will run it with approximately 0 problems then Apr 25 06:18:09 it runs fine here, just INSANELY slowly Apr 25 06:18:12 * i336_ pokes 800MHz CPU Apr 25 06:18:14 lolol Apr 25 06:18:16 heh Apr 25 06:20:03 that asploded Apr 25 06:20:04 # curl -I l/CLIE_PalmSim_landscape.zip Apr 25 06:20:04 HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error Apr 25 06:20:08 (l = localhost) Apr 25 06:20:09 * i336_ fix Apr 25 06:20:30 I was wondering about the 500 in '127.0.0.1 l - [25/Apr/2014:16:19:36 +1000] "HEAD /CLIE_PalmSim_landscape.zip HTTP/1.1" 500 0 "-" "curl/7.27.0' Apr 25 06:20:30 lol Apr 25 06:21:43 hmmm Apr 25 06:21:47 OH Apr 25 06:21:48 HAHA Apr 25 06:21:48 stat64("/80gb/home/i336/www/root/CLIE_PalmSim_landscape.zip", 0xbfe2c980) = -1 ELOOP (Too many levels of symbolic links) Apr 25 06:21:51 strace FTW Apr 25 06:22:05 * i336_ removes the cyclic symbolic link, and makes it point properly Apr 25 06:22:35 done :P Apr 25 06:22:42 # curl -I l/CLIE_PalmSim_landscape.zip Apr 25 06:22:43 HTTP/1.1 200 OK Apr 25 06:22:44 Content-Length: 6096868 Apr 25 06:22:45 :> Apr 25 06:23:26 if you have any interest in anything Palm-related, I almost certainly have a copy of it Apr 25 06:23:52 i don't really right now Apr 25 06:24:03 oh, i used to have a tapwave zodiac Apr 25 06:24:09 actually.. i still have it somewhere Apr 25 06:24:10 nice Apr 25 06:24:12 cool! Apr 25 06:24:17 yeps Apr 25 06:24:20 just saying: Apr 25 06:24:21 # du -L --max-depth 0 -h palmstuff/ Apr 25 06:24:21 5.0G palmstuff/ Apr 25 06:24:22 :P Apr 25 06:24:26 :o damn Apr 25 06:24:36 * i336_ hands you filelist? Apr 25 06:25:51 LOL Apr 25 06:25:53 xz: 674 MiB of memory is required. The limiter is disabled. Apr 25 06:25:55 xz: index: Cannot allocate memory Apr 25 06:26:07 ooh. Apr 25 06:26:10 Mem[|||||||||||||||||||||||||422/619MB] Load average: 0.85 1.07 1.17 Apr 25 06:26:10 Swp[|||||||||||||||||||||||2888/3074MB] Uptime: 23 days, 00:42:00 Apr 25 06:26:13 that kinda explains that. Apr 25 06:26:17 * i336_ makes a mental note of that Apr 25 06:26:32 (oh, and hibernation majorly FTW) Apr 25 06:26:53 wow, nice: Apr 25 06:26:54 -rw-r--r-- 1 i336 users 1.9M Apr 7 20:25 index Apr 25 06:26:54 -rw-r--r-- 1 i336 users 195K Apr 7 20:25 index.xz Apr 25 06:27:08 wait. Apr 25 06:27:11 * i336_ checks the index is accurate Apr 25 06:27:12 lol Apr 25 06:28:23 -rw-r--r-- 1 i336 users 2.1M Apr 25 16:28 index Apr 25 06:28:24 !! Apr 25 06:28:40 89.6 % 0.2 MiB / 1.9 MiB = 0.095 232 KiB/s 0:08 1 s Apr 25 06:28:41 :> Apr 25 06:28:45 xz -vvv ftw Apr 25 06:28:59 -rw-r--r-- 1 i336 users 243K Apr 25 16:28 index.xz Apr 25 06:29:00 there we go Apr 25 06:29:07 coolty: you can start listening now =P Apr 25 06:29:22 http://z7.vxe6.net/palmindex.xz Apr 25 06:29:42 oh Apr 25 06:29:45 can i ? Apr 25 06:29:46 :P Apr 25 06:29:49 :P Apr 25 06:29:55 to the URL above at least :P Apr 25 06:30:01 s/listening/paying attention/ Apr 25 06:30:01 i336_ meant: to the URL above at least :P Apr 25 06:30:04 >.> Apr 25 06:30:15 also, that file is the output of find -L -type f -printf "%-15s %p\n" Apr 25 06:30:36 wow, that transferred quickly Apr 25 06:31:05 nice list Apr 25 06:31:10 :P Apr 25 06:31:12 so basically you have all the palm os games Apr 25 06:31:13 lol Apr 25 06:31:20 oh, do I? :D I have no idea Apr 25 06:31:26 I was just like... ooh, here's this website Apr 25 06:31:35 "let's see if we can use shell scripting to clone it" Apr 25 06:31:44 *4349872598753 wget processes later* Apr 25 06:31:47 "ooh, I can!" Apr 25 06:33:04 coolty: also, try "sort -rn palmindex | most" (or similar), and it'll sort by filesize, biggest first Apr 25 06:33:22 coolty: the first two domains are open :> Apr 25 06:33:25 (apache indexes) Apr 25 06:33:43 but anyways Apr 25 06:33:48 fun much, lol Apr 25 06:33:59 coolty: oh, yeah, I also have the tapwave zodiac SDK, fwiw Apr 25 06:34:23 the file I'm really hunting for is the ACCESS Co. Ltd Garnet Compatibility Kit Apr 25 06:34:25 it's 485MB Apr 25 06:34:29 it basically doesn't exist Apr 25 06:34:29 :P Apr 25 06:34:47 it's... essentially a Linux/x86 Palm 5 simulator Apr 25 06:34:56 as opposed to the Win32/x86 ones Apr 25 06:34:59 :] Apr 25 06:35:14 well I managed to download the simulator itself from ACCESS' site, but it doesn't work without the SDK Apr 25 06:35:31 fun Apr 25 06:36:28 semi :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 26 02:59:58 2014