**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 17 03:00:01 2017 Sep 17 16:39:34 Good Morning! Sep 17 16:42:53 Agenda here if anyone wants to get up to speed: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up.html#post3450979 Sep 17 16:45:58 morning! Sep 17 16:50:46 morning Sep 17 16:57:45 Morning! Sep 17 16:59:32 Morning! Sep 17 17:00:46 Morning Sep 17 17:00:52 To start, we will take all introductions of previous attendees as read (see the log of the last meeting). If anyone new can introduce themselves with a brief (webOS related) biography and any useful skills, that will be great. Sep 17 17:01:18 Morning all! Sep 17 17:01:23 Hay Sep 17 17:01:28 hello Sep 17 17:02:21 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees. Sep 17 17:02:59 Oh, I'm already messing up. The agernda is here: Sep 17 17:03:00 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up.html#post3450979 Sep 17 17:04:16 i wrote the majority of the front-ends for webosinternals apps, im not using a webos device anymore, but i saw this user group and figured i could answer any questions anyone may have with that stuff Sep 17 17:04:32 Hello, this Martin from Germany (near Stuttgart). Have a bunch of webos devices: some TP Wifi black and white, one TP Go, several Pre Plus/2/3 devices. I'm looking forward testing LuneOS too. Sep 17 17:04:37 Hi oil_ Thanks for that. Sep 17 17:04:48 Thanks Martin. Sep 17 17:04:54 Any other new people? Sep 17 17:05:17 I only developed few apps for myself (Mojo). I'm interested in Enyo too .. Sep 17 17:05:29 Former part-time / hobbyist webOS developer, IT professional by day here. Sep 17 17:05:41 Thanks marig Sep 17 17:06:18 OK, I think that's everyone. Sep 17 17:06:20 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group Sep 17 17:07:32 We'll skip that if no one has anything. Sep 17 17:07:44 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts. Sep 17 17:08:22 I'm guessing we are also skipping this unless anyone has any proposals or wants to volunteer. Sep 17 17:08:29 Preemptive: I think we're OK with current list Sep 17 17:08:36 I feel it's still to early for officers Sep 17 17:08:40 4. Progress reports Sep 17 17:08:45 agreed Sep 17 17:08:52 1.1 New browser for TP only. (nizovn) Sep 17 17:08:59 :) Sep 17 17:09:06 progress so far: qupzilla and qt5 are released and confirmed to work (after some fixes), qt5 platform plugin now supports Pre3 and TouchPad. Sep 17 17:09:08 http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331764-tp-qupzilla.html Sep 17 17:09:30 great work! Sep 17 17:09:34 :) Sep 17 17:09:42 This is great stuff. Do you plan anything further with this? Sep 17 17:09:43 my Experience with Qupzilla is mostly positive Sep 17 17:09:54 there are some weird things where elements are rendered up-side-down Sep 17 17:09:58 nizovn: Mine too, I do get quite frequent crashes Sep 17 17:10:16 but overall i'm positive Sep 17 17:10:24 Same here :) Sep 17 17:10:36 Made some suggestions to make it even better :P Sep 17 17:10:37 I get some crashes. I though it might be that I'm maxed out on space Sep 17 17:11:03 With me it's on fresh and almost clean wifi tp with LunaCE 4.9.10 Sep 17 17:11:33 nizown: are there any barriers against this working for Pre2 hardware? Sep 17 17:11:34 LunaCE 4.9.10? I must be behind, think i'm on 4.5.6 or something.. Sep 17 17:12:19 nizovn: sorry, nizovn Sep 17 17:12:19 bbito: no, just recompilation without neon i think Sep 17 17:12:42 and of course screen-size Sep 17 17:12:51 wow, pre2 would be amazing for me - still on Sprint... Sep 17 17:13:36 i saw crashes only on closing card and waiting 2s before swiping it away solves them. But maybe i need more experience... Sep 17 17:14:12 nizovn: Would you like us to call this project done? I think you've more than achieved the goal, but if there's anything more you'd like to do or would like to ask others to help on...? Sep 17 17:14:19 wouldn´t the Pre2 need a total reduction in UI Sep 17 17:14:21 ? Sep 17 17:15:02 I suspect a phone-sized UI redesign would be a big ask. Sep 17 17:15:25 one major problem I had recently was in a popup on google (a conform-the-new-agreement). It was up-side-down, had to be reduced. and when clicked the buttons were where they should be but not where they were rendered Sep 17 17:15:40 was a little annoying. but survivable Sep 17 17:15:59 Preemptive: there are some things need to be resolved for sure. I'll work on it further. Sep 17 17:16:18 Great! Sep 17 17:16:28 Awesome! Sep 17 17:16:47 Not being able to close the settings pop-ups is a bit annoying (but then again survivable :)) Sep 17 17:16:48 OK Thanks. We will leave it to you then. Thanks again for your great work on this - it's a real new lease of life for webOS. Sep 17 17:17:04 1.2 Legacy browser patch (Shuswap, Misj) Sep 17 17:17:19 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331780-patch-browser-touchpad-smart-url-cleaner.html Sep 17 17:17:25 Touchpad is working pretty wel. Sep 17 17:17:44 Shame about that you tube thing Sep 17 17:17:55 I'm having a bit of trouble to get the browser for the pre3 or pre running on my dev-environment (read: my desktop computer). Sep 17 17:18:07 And as I'm less versed with mojo, it's going to take a bit more time than I had hoped :) Sep 17 17:18:30 Maybe someone can offer help on this. Sep 17 17:18:33 Technically it's not that difficult, I just have to get a good way of doing it. Sep 17 17:18:48 (as I always like to test on my desktop). Sep 17 17:19:03 I did borrow someone's Pre3. So that's good :D Sep 17 17:20:11 are there any additions that are needed? - how's the experience...is it useful? Sep 17 17:20:19 (especially with the new browser) Sep 17 17:21:32 I like it because the new browser is great but not always the quickest way to get there....the old browser is still less of a hassle Sep 17 17:22:11 regarding youtube: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331780-patch-browser-touchpad-smart-url-cleaner.html#post3451354 Sep 17 17:22:20 Yes, you get the UI and newer 'difficult' websites are better rendered Sep 17 17:23:32 I could imaging adding the option to call an app based on a website url...but I'm not sure how useful that is. Sep 17 17:23:38 Misj: I can test for you too, if you'd like (on the Pre3) Sep 17 17:23:45 Regarding the browser patch, the filter concept is a bit complicated to understand. I understand the capability, but still complex. Sep 17 17:24:16 Yes the built in ability to define filters is good. Perhaps we should encourage people to post examples on the thread. Sep 17 17:24:23 Maybe a way to install filters that others have created? Sep 17 17:24:43 installing filters would be difficult with the current setup. Sep 17 17:24:44 I agree that examples in the thread are a great idea. Sep 17 17:24:49 but posting filters would be good Sep 17 17:24:56 Might be tricky - it would basically be a patch Sep 17 17:25:38 OK. So you are going to continue with getting it to the phones. Again, this is great work as a work around for the current browser. Posting filters as a next step. Sep 17 17:25:58 3.1 Updated meta-doctors (Herrie, bbito) Sep 17 17:26:13 I will try to port the patch to webos2 and webos1. It will take some time, but that's mostly because I'm busy :) Sep 17 17:26:36 THere's no rush ;-) Sep 17 17:26:39 meta-doctor: discuss 1st steps with Herrie and create forked branch with palm.si URLs Sep 17 17:26:46 3.1: Initial contact made, nothing much for the rest :P Sep 17 17:26:58 Will hope to have some time coming week Sep 17 17:27:05 Same here Sep 17 17:27:18 OK, a start has been made. I would suggest starting a thread on what and what not to include Sep 17 17:28:08 I think it's already been said that you could star with the basics like bypass and OSSL Sep 17 17:28:14 *start Sep 17 17:28:35 I'll make an issue on my github fork and a linked webosnations thread Sep 17 17:28:44 Maybe include preware automatically... Sep 17 17:29:05 yes, preware should be preinstalled Sep 17 17:29:19 and the bypass as well. Sep 17 17:29:24 agreed, it's too useful not to be there Sep 17 17:29:50 OK. Shall we move on? Sep 17 17:29:57 uberkernel might be logical as well.. but I some might feel differently Sep 17 17:30:17 I think start simple Sep 17 17:30:24 Agreed Sep 17 17:30:35 1.4 Updated location service (Misj, mazzinia) Sep 17 17:30:51 I haven't done anything on this. Mazzinia? Sep 17 17:31:14 I think there were ideas, but nothing yet. Mazzinia isn't here Sep 17 17:31:14 So I don't know if there are any updates Sep 17 17:31:33 Cool. next meeting for that then Sep 17 17:31:39 1.5 Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo (Misj) Sep 17 17:32:07 I think you have this and maybe it's a question of where to put it or how to link to it perhaps? Sep 17 17:32:12 I haven't done anything since last time (it is shared on banneret.nl/webos/documentation) Sep 17 17:32:50 I did notice that since my last JAVA update I can't use AresDebug anymore. Might be unrelated, but it is annoying Sep 17 17:33:13 Shall we just make thread to chat about the next step? Sep 17 17:33:15 There should - of course - be a better location for these things. Sep 17 17:33:42 yes Sep 17 17:33:46 We could possibly add it to the internals wiki Sep 17 17:34:13 I think that could be a good place. Although it's currently not in a wiki format but a direct copy of HP Sep 17 17:34:36 How about just linked from wiki Sep 17 17:34:43 Yes. Might have to check copyright - but I doubt any one is bothered. Sep 17 17:34:53 Moving on... Sep 17 17:34:55 it appears all HTML formatted - would be much work to convert to wiki .. Sep 17 17:35:03 bothering about copyright when it comes to manuals is not that useful I think Sep 17 17:35:10 (plus it's for educational purposes) Sep 17 17:35:13 1.6 Fix & use the webOS internals wiki for technical information (novaldex, Preemptive, bbito & Shuswap) Sep 17 17:35:30 Here is the progress report: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331777-webos-internals-wiki-maintenance.html#post3451395 Sep 17 17:35:35 i've repaired 2 issues with the wiki, it should be very usable now Sep 17 17:35:51 plus at bbito's request i've created an account for him Sep 17 17:35:54 I think we can move on to content. Sep 17 17:36:19 webos-internals wiki: novaldex did the hugely helpful backend fixes, I just made update to 'Doctors' page Sep 17 17:37:04 We can ask for suggestions on the thread (and hopefully more contributors). If anyone has any immediate suggestions, start typing! Sep 17 17:38:55 good work! Sep 17 17:39:15 The wiki is mostly something that I look into when I need something. So I don't have anything from the top of my head... Sep 17 17:39:30 OK, I expect suggestions will start to flow when everyone has a chance to think about it. Yes thasnks to Novaldex and the webOS Ports team for the fixes Sep 17 17:39:48 1.7 Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually (novaldex, Preemptive) Sep 17 17:40:02 Progress Report: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-2.html#post3451391 Sep 17 17:40:04 you're most welcome.. Sep 17 17:40:20 i've got the code from Herrie & as per his last post can go looking at the server & DB Sep 17 17:40:33 something for the week to come Sep 17 17:40:40 Bassically both manual and portal approach are currently being worked on Sep 17 17:41:25 Good progress. I know there are a few complexities here to get the portal back as before. Sep 17 17:42:08 1.8 webOS Nation App gallery submission and access (Preemptive) Sep 17 17:42:48 This was about: having a new app gallery (in addition to the FTP?) Sep 17 17:42:53 ?? Sep 17 17:42:58 (if I remember correctly) Sep 17 17:43:03 Oh, it's me and I must confess I've done nothing here, although obviously the fixing is out of my hands. I know the issue has already been raised with WN, but I'll see if i can chase it. Sep 17 17:43:35 Oh yeah...that one...so many things we talked about... Sep 17 17:43:38 No this is trying to get the WN app gallery fixed as submission (and maybe even downloads) are broken Sep 17 17:43:41 Preemptive: what is the issue? Sep 17 17:43:51 Ahh Sep 17 17:44:32 The code messed up in the BB update I think. I'm pretty sure the Preware feed still works, but... Sep 17 17:45:00 it seems the biggest app store we no have is stagnant. Sep 17 17:45:07 *now Sep 17 17:46:03 5. Discussion of other items Sep 17 17:46:19 Before we get into this, do you want to cover all of it? Sep 17 17:46:44 Or go with a shorter list, leaving other stuff for later? Sep 17 17:46:49 I still have 30-45 minutes So I'm fine :D Sep 17 17:46:53 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-2.html#post3451345 Sep 17 17:47:14 This is my guess at the top 5... Sep 17 17:47:55 If it's acceptable to you all we can do that then decide if we want to do the rest? Sep 17 17:47:55 I vote to keep going, cover all of it. Sep 17 17:48:06 i think 2 can be marked as solved Sep 17 17:48:27 OK, I'll go with the original order then Sep 17 17:48:43 5.1 Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). Sep 17 17:49:12 I'm just checking the open webOS site... Sep 17 17:49:53 Nope - bad redirect it seems: www.openwebosproject.org Sep 17 17:51:16 most of what was on git.webos-internals.org was moved to github https://github.com/webos-internals/ Sep 17 17:51:18 I can tweet at the owner of webOS 101. Items are available via specail pages and I've been making copies of content Sep 17 17:52:06 Are the original Palm support pages available anywhere? Sep 17 17:52:52 which pages are you referring to? Sep 17 17:53:14 Basically stuff at Palm.com Sep 17 17:53:31 You mean from the webOS help application? Sep 17 17:53:42 It may be on archive.org Sep 17 17:54:04 No, the onboard help was at Palm.si, but i don't know it it still is Sep 17 17:54:19 Misj has most of dev support here: banneret.nl/webos/documentation Sep 17 17:54:32 I have downloaded most from the Palm sites...but apart form the documentation on mojo en anyo I don't know what else is usefull. Sep 17 17:54:59 ...and it wasn't in good shape as it was er.. dynamic. The files were all there, but not easy to find Sep 17 17:55:01 I assume the old forum is gone .. :( Sep 17 17:55:22 yes, the forums are gone as far as I know Sep 17 17:55:23 i have an old mojo zip of documentation from 2009 Sep 17 17:55:24 There is a forum at HP, but WN is more useful Sep 17 17:55:45 API_Ref_Guide-sub200.47-308.zip Sep 17 17:55:53 oil_: That could be useful Sep 17 17:56:40 Shall I just make thread. I'll do the documentation bit and of course any help is appreciated. Sep 17 17:56:42 it has html pages in it that look like: https://i.imgur.com/Tg1eMPj.png Sep 17 17:56:56 I also have a copy of openwebosproject.org I think... Sep 17 17:57:21 I believe that includes most of the Open-source information as well. Sep 17 17:57:55 oil_: That might be what's on bannernet, but it looks like it gas the ccs Sep 17 17:58:02 *css Sep 17 17:58:46 OK. coming up to the hour. I'll make a thread. Let's move on. Sep 17 17:58:58 5.2 git.webos-internals.org has gone for a long time, so maybe some sources of preware apps are lost.. would be nice to recover it too Sep 17 17:59:18 I think this is covered... http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up.html#post3450984 Sep 17 18:00:19 webos-internals.org is ours, so let me check & see what's left of it Sep 17 18:00:55 but of course we can push Herrie's content to github of course Sep 17 18:01:29 OK, maybe it's already on github, but if not, Herrie has a copy and we can check if it's all there in the right place. Sep 17 18:02:09 5.3 webOS time service issue (Network Time not keeping clocks accurate) Sep 17 18:02:52 Depending on how exactly webOS checks the time, we could redirect it to a public timeserver Sep 17 18:02:59 I didn't test clocksync yet (on my TP). But how big of a problem is it? Sep 17 18:03:01 with a patch Sep 17 18:03:30 Updates to the hosts file for things like NTP can be incorporated into the "new" doctor. Sep 17 18:03:33 I believe Herrie had an idea for an alternative network-time-location. Sep 17 18:03:58 ClockSync is fine, but if a simple change of address is all that's needed, why not make it automatic (and yes, in the new doctor) Sep 17 18:04:34 if it's an easy change then I'm all for it. Sep 17 18:04:35 But the ClockSync author seemed to suggest that the methood was no-conventional or maybe just not very accessible to 3rd party apps Sep 17 18:05:03 I don't know if anyone here knows about that sub-system... Sep 17 18:05:11 of course we're not limited by constraints that keep us out of the app-store Sep 17 18:05:20 we can do a lot of things that would normally not be allowed Sep 17 18:05:52 (clockSync was in the app store...so there were limits to what was possible) Sep 17 18:05:57 Misj: No - as long as the code is readable. Sep 17 18:06:29 I imagine it's in the kernel, but might be a proprietary extra bit for some reason. Sep 17 18:06:49 I went to grab clocksync this morning but I had to go to the abandonware archive to get it Sep 17 18:07:04 all links refer to WN which refers to palm.com for the download Sep 17 18:07:45 I actually have the code for this on github. It is our to use as we please Sep 17 18:07:46 and it wasn't in WOSQI Sep 17 18:08:23 Preemptive: so it can be built and added to one of the current feeds? Sep 17 18:09:09 I think this was posted earlier: https://github.com/Lost-Projects/ClockSync Sep 17 18:09:14 I also have the latest IPK which I think is newer than the listed code. However, it uses a web query to get the time somehow - not a sytem call to check a timeserver (I think I'm no expert!) Sep 17 18:09:42 marig: Yes, that's it Sep 17 18:10:06 Preemptive: whats your github handle? Sep 17 18:10:57 bbito: Yes, someone could look at the IPK and use it to update the repo etc., But as I say, I think this was a work-around method Sep 17 18:11:33 "While its functionality can be compared with a ntp update service, it's not using ntp as there is no official (read for unmodified/unrooted webos devices) way to start a simple ntp update or cron. Sep 17 18:11:34 Instead the application uses the date header from a request to a website that is known to have a synchronized time. Sep 17 18:11:34 " Sep 17 18:12:35 Shall we park this or go with a plan to at least update ClockSync? Sep 17 18:12:44 agree Sep 17 18:13:16 If no one here is familiar with the time service, we can put a more comprehensive fix on the back-burner Sep 17 18:13:36 5.4 Device back up options. Sep 17 18:13:38 not familiar! Sep 17 18:14:13 This is essentially the dream of restoring a back up service Sep 17 18:14:35 A lot can be done manually, but if it can be automated, it would be a big win Sep 17 18:15:05 Syncthing works on webos. It's not intended to backups (but for syncting)...but it's open-source, so it might be possible (by someone else!) to convert it into a backup option. Sep 17 18:15:06 I can see a remote service being likely - other than that hosted by the user Sep 17 18:15:30 Syncthing has the connection protocols. Sep 17 18:15:40 Save/Restore I thought always did a pretty good job, I know it's stil on the device but from there it could go anywhere Sep 17 18:15:46 Yes, a 'Hotsync' style system Sep 17 18:15:46 *still Sep 17 18:16:34 personally, i'd rather host my own data for backup Sep 17 18:16:53 I'm with novaldex Sep 17 18:16:53 Yes, If we could get the various back up techniques to save to a common folder then sync that to a PC, it's halfway there Sep 17 18:17:32 do we have the code for Save/Restore? it does the DB/app backups & was also extendable (i've done it for my own apps) Sep 17 18:18:03 The big part missing I think is Accounts, but that would require a lot of trust to provide to a backend service Sep 17 18:18:05 I don't know if it would be possible to use the old back up process as part of that or if it would be possible to automate things like the export messages app and the like Sep 17 18:18:43 novaldex: Re Save/Restore I thin it's an Internals app, so I think the code is there Sep 17 18:18:49 I prefer a local backup (I don't really like the cloud) Sep 17 18:18:50 *think Sep 17 18:18:54 it'd be really interesting to find out how backup worked.. could just force it to go to a known server & see what it tries to do Sep 17 18:19:25 Preemptive: you're right, I believe it is, would that be a good place to start then? Sep 17 18:19:32 did backup work if you bypassed activation? Sep 17 18:19:40 Some one on the forums was claiming to be doing an MiTM to find out how it worked, but it came to nothing Sep 17 18:20:12 ...and you can't MiTM if the server is gone.. Sep 17 18:20:18 if you can't find save/restore code, i've got an old copy of it from 3/9/2013 Sep 17 18:20:19 Preemptive: yes, that was a long time ago...but he never showed a working or even concept solution Sep 17 18:20:31 https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosinternals.saverestore Sep 17 18:21:07 hopefully that is up to date... Sep 17 18:21:12 It may be possible to discover how the original back up service on device worked... but it's beyond me. Sep 17 18:21:19 -- I have to leave in about 5 minutes -- Sep 17 18:21:38 it looks up to date Sep 17 18:21:53 I think we've got a few options for backups now that could be investigated, even if only preliminary for now Sep 17 18:22:23 Right. I'll set up a thread and we can look at going from syncing a manual back up, then what automation may be possible. A long term project I suspect Sep 17 18:22:41 5.5 App stores discussion. Sep 17 18:23:19 I'm inclined to skip this. I doubt there's much to add to the last discussion. Sep 17 18:23:51 sure Sep 17 18:23:55 5.6 Should we lobby TCL? Sep 17 18:23:55 agreed. but please note above what I mentioned about ClockSync download today Sep 17 18:24:15 5.6: to be honest, I think TCL may be over reaching ourselves with what we have on Sep 17 18:24:20 for the moment anyway Sep 17 18:24:26 http://forums.webosnation.com/other-os-s-devices/331778-tcl-launching-new-palm-branded-devices-2018-a.html#post3451195 Sep 17 18:24:26 I don't know if lobbying TCL is that usefull...would it be about anything more that a nostalgic feeling towareds the Palm Name Sep 17 18:24:29 can we defer? Sep 17 18:24:56 This is simply asking TCL to make a phone that would have an open boot loader and be a decent candidate for LuneOS Sep 17 18:25:19 I think that is the only realistic optionj Sep 17 18:25:25 I doubt our efforts will make much odds, but if they can do it, it might make good PR Sep 17 18:25:45 so basically asking them whether the phone could be open for other not-preinstalled OS's (including but not limited to LuneOS)... Sep 17 18:25:52 Public Relations, not Pull Request ;-) Sep 17 18:26:10 we could do that in association with say Halium, that'd give us more clout perhaps Sep 17 18:26:10 Misj: Yes, a dev friendly device Sep 17 18:26:12 There's nothing wrong with asking. But I expect little to no results... Sep 17 18:26:28 novaldex: That's a good idea! Sep 17 18:26:30 if you don't ask, you don't get? Sep 17 18:26:53 Would this be an online petition or ? Sep 17 18:27:01 Do we really care that much about a ´palm´-logo on the back of the phone? Sep 17 18:27:02 Let's talk with Halium and maybe associated projects and send an open letter? Sep 17 18:27:05 Herrie|Pre3, do you have a contact for Halium? Sep 17 18:27:25 JVLebbink: No. Sep 17 18:27:59 ... but the new Palm have to sell the things and are banking on the association with the old brand Sep 17 18:28:11 actually, I think they've got the channel #halium, we could raise the question there? Sep 17 18:28:50 Assuming an Android slab, the only differentiation might be 'dev-friendly devices' Maybe like the Nexus phones Sep 17 18:29:10 So basically the question is: should we take the lead in getting the OpenSource OS's together to push for an open (dev-friendly) phone. Sep 17 18:29:12 so this is more on the LuneOS way - not really for webOS to run on future TCL .. Sep 17 18:29:46 LuneOS is the only new webOS there is outside of TVs... Sep 17 18:30:37 I'll make a thread. Sep 17 18:30:51 5.7 Old domains associated with webOS. Sep 17 18:30:55 you've got a lot of threads to make, knitting a jumper? ;-) Sep 17 18:31:08 I'm sorry, I gotta go. I'll read everything later tonight. Sep 17 18:31:19 later, thanks! Sep 17 18:31:28 novaldex: Ha! yes... Sep 17 18:31:44 Bye Misj! Thanks for all you've done so far! Sep 17 18:32:24 do we have a complete list of olf domains - somewhere on the wiki ? Sep 17 18:32:30 *old Sep 17 18:32:43 Old domains. I bought iswebosdeadyet and weboscenter.com Sep 17 18:32:53 Both redirect to pivot Sep 17 18:33:10 http://webos-internals.org/wiki/Resources Sep 17 18:33:47 last update Jan 2010 Sep 17 18:34:17 Seems it missed several Sep 17 18:34:27 ..CE. That's not doing much and it's time to renew (no longer at introductory prices). I don't mind renewing, but i wondered if we could make better use of say, webOScenter.com amd maybe decide if we want to grab other expired domains Sep 17 18:35:35 i'm thinking that maybe we should let some slide, unless we're planning to replicate actual content from their originals Sep 17 18:36:00 For instance, webOScenter could host all the old documentation aside from Internals or if the user group wanted a website... Sep 17 18:36:00 Preemptive: are you suggesting letting go of pivotce? Sep 17 18:36:09 not sure we need to grab old domain names; rather look for good old content to save and make available .. Sep 17 18:36:15 bbito: No. pivotCE is active. Sep 17 18:36:29 ?..CE.? Sep 17 18:36:35 (honest, I'm going to write something anyday now!) Sep 17 18:36:47 it'd be nice if the sites that are still active, if we can post something there to say 'content can now be found here', and give it a link to our own sites Sep 17 18:37:02 that way it'd end up in the archive & cached elsewhere for reference Sep 17 18:37:15 Community edition (reference to LunaCE) Sep 17 18:37:27 ...and the original pivot of course Sep 17 18:38:05 where's pivotCE hosted? does that need a different home to help things? (just thinking aloud..) Sep 17 18:38:07 I feel the fewer domains, the better Sep 17 18:38:20 novaldex: So you are saying, reach out to old inactive sites and ask for a guest post Sep 17 18:38:30 I agree with bbito, less is more in this case Sep 17 18:38:41 pivotCE is fine for now Sep 17 18:38:46 Preemptive: it's a suggestion yes, a way to spread the word Sep 17 18:38:59 Preemptive, no problem, just checking Sep 17 18:39:16 palm.si, webos-internals, pivotce, webosnation, banneret.nl Sep 17 18:39:32 webos101 is one that grabbed me earlier Sep 17 18:40:02 for smaller/simpler sites, could we absorb the content in any way? Sep 17 18:40:14 novaldex: It's Roy Sutton who is at LGSVL Sep 17 18:40:15 wasn't that Roy Sutton's? Sep 17 18:40:21 oops Sep 17 18:41:03 okay, to me that sounds safe then Sep 17 18:41:21 I have a list of useful sites here: http://forums.webosnation.com/general-news-discussion/324932-webos-status-report.html#post3392173 Sep 17 18:41:30 was sort of thinking of a way to offer to existing sites to take the load of their hands if they felt they were better positioned to let it expire Sep 17 18:41:36 *off Sep 17 18:42:01 As the vanish, I was grabbing the domains so any old bookmarks or users would end up at pivotCE and WN Sep 17 18:42:38 novaldex: We could offer Mr Sutton advice on fixing his wiki! Sep 17 18:42:52 (still not here :P - but Banneret is my personal site (with little to no content, but that due to time and inspiration) ...so the webos content could be moved to a more official server) Sep 17 18:42:59 Preemptive: Danger Will Robinson! who would be so bold? Sep 17 18:43:36 Ok, I'll park this and we can discuss further on the user group thread Sep 17 18:43:49 5.8 On device Help System. Sep 17 18:44:24 Sort of covered above. Did we establish that the files were at Palm.si? Or at least someone has a back u some where Sep 17 18:44:28 *up Sep 17 18:44:44 I quickly scanned palm.si but didn't see a reference to the files there. Sep 17 18:45:18 I think that might be Mazzinia's site IIRC. I'll check with him on the forum Sep 17 18:45:23 ..moving on.. Sep 17 18:45:37 5.9 Default apps: Can we patch the system to give us more default options? (e.g. Qupzilla, LuneTube) Sep 17 18:45:57 I think that fits back in with the new meta-doctors Sep 17 18:46:01 I think we covered that one Sep 17 18:46:07 Sounds like it's covered by new doctors, yes. Sep 17 18:46:37 Unfortunately it seems directory browsing is off on palm.so Sep 17 18:46:44 palm.si* Sep 17 18:47:07 In the launcher menu, there are default apps, but most options are grayed out. Yes, this could be patch in the doctor, if a patch is possible. ANyone have any ideas on this? Sep 17 18:47:12 Sorry, out of sync Sep 17 18:47:22 I'm not aware that such a patch exists Sep 17 18:47:25 palm.si is just about doctors .. - right ? Sep 17 18:47:53 Sorry, I was on previous topic: onboard help system Sep 17 18:48:01 I think it used to house the files of the on-device help system, but w're off-topic now Sep 17 18:50:08 If there is no comment here, then I will add this to the service pack menu as a question and see if anyone has ideas about if it's possible. If weblinks automatically open QupZilla or youtube -> Lunetube, things get easier. Sep 17 18:50:26 ...Almost done... Sep 17 18:50:35 6 Any other business? Sep 17 18:51:20 I think Preemptive should be congratulated for organizing all this & keeping us going inbetween meetings Sep 17 18:52:00 Indeed! Thanks Preemptive! Sep 17 18:52:01 Thumbs up! Sep 17 18:52:20 Preemptive: thanks a lot for arranging all this ! Sep 17 18:52:39 No problem! so finally.... Sep 17 18:52:49 7. Date of next meeting. Sep 17 18:53:16 i'm liking 3rd sunday of the month Sep 17 18:53:24 it's a regular slot in a way Sep 17 18:53:28 Shall default to next month? Leave it a bit longer or... Sep 17 18:53:37 OK, answers in already Sep 17 18:53:38 15th Oct? Sep 17 18:54:08 15 Oct looks good Sep 17 18:54:15 Is it possible to go a little later than 12PM Central Time US? Maybe 12:30 or 1:00PM? Sep 17 18:54:30 monthly is fine - to keep the momentum . Sep 17 18:54:54 1h later would be fine for me / or later Sep 17 18:55:17 yes, I think we could do that Sep 17 18:55:32 ah, aren't we getting close to change of daylight savings times in various places? Sep 17 18:56:06 In USA it's first Sunday in November, I believe. Sep 17 18:56:17 I think UK clocks are end of Oct Sep 17 18:56:33 .. so it won't apply at the 15th Sep 17 18:56:41 last sunday in Oct for UK I think too, so it means the meeting after may be different Sep 17 18:56:53 So 30mins or 1 hr later. Sep 17 18:56:56 ?> Sep 17 18:56:57 ? Sep 17 18:56:59 Last sunday in NL too Sep 17 18:57:16 I Sep 17 18:57:22 +1h Sep 17 18:57:25 I ´m not sure that will work for Misj Sep 17 18:57:35 (I don´t care) Sep 17 18:58:03 Shall we split the difference at 30mins then? Sep 17 18:58:08 ok Sep 17 18:58:17 Sure, let's try that for next time, see how it goes. Sep 17 18:58:24 i've got some flexibility in time, but I think duration should be kept in check Sep 17 18:59:02 please check with Misj and Herrie. it is more important to have key people in. Sep 17 18:59:03 1730, 15th October OK for everybody? I'll try to shorten it next time (I warned you about section5! ;-) Sep 17 18:59:29 1730GMT? Sep 17 18:59:37 Yes, GMT Sep 17 18:59:59 works for me, 1830BST Sep 17 19:00:18 One option for this would be: https://beta.doodle.com/ Sep 17 19:00:22 we've done well tonight, fitting it into 2 hours Sep 17 19:00:31 OK, I think we are done. Once again, I think everyone should be congratulated for making such great progress in such a short time. Hopefully we can continue making progress after this quick start. Sep 17 19:00:31 but we could quite easily have continued for longer I think! Sep 17 19:00:58 Thanks for your time everybody. Keep up the good work Sep 17 19:01:05 thanks again everyone Sep 17 19:01:11 Thanks back! Sep 17 19:01:17 Bye! Sep 17 19:02:28 bye Sep 17 19:02:46 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 18 03:00:01 2017