**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 12 03:00:02 2017 Nov 12 16:03:44 I think I'm early :-) Nov 12 17:47:10 Herrie: did you see my email? Nov 12 17:50:57 * AlanMorford waves hello Nov 12 17:52:07 Email? Nov 12 17:52:15 Ehm no? Nov 12 17:52:17 Where? Nov 12 17:52:21 herrie dot org or ? Nov 12 17:52:29 me@ Nov 12 17:52:48 yeah that one Nov 12 17:53:28 Nope didn't see anything Nov 12 17:53:29 When? Nov 12 17:53:47 Son got ball from my trackball so stuck with keyboard for now:P Nov 12 17:54:49 has a 2mb attachment Nov 12 17:54:58 could be the problem Nov 12 17:55:08 should have sent you a gz Nov 12 18:03:51 Try my herrie82 at gmail then maybe Nov 12 18:05:52 ok I'll try Nov 12 18:07:39 synergybot looks sick :( Nov 12 18:07:54 oops Nov 12 18:08:09 yeah same here Nov 12 18:08:48 Herrie: Tylla pulled the file from a test batch of ipks. Nov 12 18:12:42 Hi there, sorry for being late :( Nov 12 18:12:50 Got it now Nov 12 18:12:54 WHo's Tylla? Nov 12 18:19:38 Tylla is the person who owns the ftp Nov 12 18:19:50 howdy Nov 12 18:20:07 Morning! Nov 12 18:20:07 Grabber5_0, heya! Nov 12 18:20:19 greetings Nov 12 18:20:31 Grabber5_0, what is the latest version of Forums? I think I might have it, and I have made a couple of bug fixes. Nov 12 18:20:55 I think 1.4.5.. I'll double check that Nov 12 18:21:10 oooh what fixes...pms for 1.x? Nov 12 18:21:24 that's the latest in preware Nov 12 18:21:36 yeah 1.4.5 is what I have Nov 12 18:22:09 can someone murder synergybot for me? Nov 12 18:22:19 :-) Nov 12 18:22:49 No, if you change your password for a forum and then update it in Forums it doesn't get stored encrypted, but Forums tries to read it as if it were encrypted Nov 12 18:23:25 who owns synergybot ? I just turned off join/part notifications :/ Nov 12 18:23:33 interesting bug Nov 12 18:23:40 Not sure Nov 12 18:23:44 Can ask ka6sox Nov 12 18:23:58 weird, I thought I fixed all the bugs in that.. it was something I added.. was stored unencrypted before that Nov 12 18:24:34 ah turned off those in wirc Nov 12 18:24:44 Yup, it just looks like one little chunk was forgotten, the case where auth fails and you have to re-login, it wasn't encrypting Nov 12 18:25:11 dkirker, nas-admin owns it... Nov 12 18:25:26 its broken I see... Nov 12 18:25:35 send it my way and I'll incorporate it and update Preware Nov 12 18:25:43 I don't know where its running Nov 12 18:26:10 THE Tom King ladies and gentlemen. Nov 12 18:26:17 Also, if the logo and logo_url in the forum settings was set to point to the old appid and path for the old version, I updated it (usually referencing the default.png file) Nov 12 18:26:28 Grabber5_0, will do! Nov 12 18:26:29 ya ya ya ya... :P Nov 12 18:26:34 lol Nov 12 18:28:32 I had a heck of a time figuring out the auth code, so I'm not surprised I missed that. I always (try to) log out before changing my password, then it stores it correctly when I log back in. Nov 12 18:28:56 Yeah, that would make sense too. :P Nov 12 18:29:16 the logo url was something I've been meaning to go back and fix.. I see those errors in the log all the time :) Nov 12 18:29:52 I was going to add a change password scene, but never got that far Nov 12 18:30:57 I ended up just clicking the lock icon after it loaded the forum :) Nov 12 18:31:08 Who's running this circus anyway? Nov 12 18:31:17 okay I've asked around on the issue of where this bot is running to we can either kill or fix it. Nov 12 18:32:10 that's a metaphor for webOS ...kill it or fix it Nov 12 18:32:19 LOL Nov 12 18:32:51 as I write from my white touchpad.....lol Nov 12 18:33:10 I don't even know what the bot does and I say fix it Nov 12 18:33:29 I should pair a keyboard to this TP to save some typos... Nov 12 18:33:48 AlanMorford, yes, I know..but to fix it first I need to FIND it. Nov 12 18:34:35 that's always the problem....what did I do with that server rack? it was right heeeeeere Nov 12 18:34:46 heh Nov 12 18:36:23 it grew legs and walked off Nov 12 18:37:27 did I ever mention in the forum thread I got adding attachments working, but it wouldn't work reliably on vBulletin forums, or on webOS 1.x, and the tapatalk staff would never help devs with questions. now their API is effectively private, so if anything Nov 12 18:37:27 breaks, it could be fatal, unless it can be reverse engineered.. Nov 12 18:40:30 that sounds... sad... Nov 12 18:41:51 indeed Nov 12 18:42:53 did we get our timezones wrong? Nov 12 18:43:08 good question :) Nov 12 18:43:50 Anyone other than Herrie from EU or non-NA? Nov 12 18:43:53 Well, it is now 1830 GMT.... so... :P Nov 12 18:44:23 Yep, from Germany ;) Nov 12 18:44:30 waving from europe Nov 12 18:44:53 probably won't get fixed till tomorrow...everyone is to the 4 winds Nov 12 18:44:59 Hello from across the pond! Nov 12 18:45:28 *joke about seeing you wave all the way over here in NA.. * Nov 12 18:46:47 my son just handed me a fidget spinner so that's keeping me busy Nov 12 18:46:59 man, my jokes can kill *any* room :P Nov 12 18:47:12 Misj´ can be here today Nov 12 18:47:15 can Nov 12 18:47:20 can´t Nov 12 18:47:25 Ok Nov 12 18:47:30 aargghhhh that keyboard is messing me up Nov 12 18:47:30 sad the fidget spinner lasted in the market longer than the touchpad Nov 12 18:47:33 How about preemptive? Nov 12 18:48:00 I just emailed him asking if he's coming. no answer yet Nov 12 18:48:16 He's usually chairing though I'm sure Alan could do a splendid job too Nov 12 18:48:47 AlanMorford, I use my Pre3 as a fidget spinner :P Nov 12 18:49:47 That's actually one of the reasons that I HATE the large phone fad from the last 5 years... Nov 12 18:49:49 I got nice new ugears toys :-P But no fidget spinners, don't do those :-P Nov 12 18:49:51 I'm watching you AlanMorford! Nov 12 18:50:14 dkirker: lol Nov 12 18:50:52 pattyland: I didn't do it this time whatever it was. Nov 12 18:51:04 Nice that Twitter thinks that AlanMorford just logged into Twitter from "Safari on Linux"... How should this even worked Nov 12 18:51:30 haha Nov 12 18:51:39 Herrie|TP: I'm just here for the comments! Nov 12 18:52:24 pattyland: haha yeah I added the pivotce Twitter. I've been off of it for a year. Nov 12 18:52:32 Well webOS has Safari and in the UA somewhere probably.... Nov 12 18:53:14 joined from my laptop.. feel more at home here Nov 12 18:54:54 I guess that's what Project Macaw passes as its UA at login... Nov 12 18:56:13 I believe webOS sets it.. don't think you can do it in the code (on webOS anyway..) Nov 12 18:57:02 I don't think there is much difference, if any, in the UA between apps and the browser Nov 12 18:57:14 that or I just exposed my ignorance ;) Nov 12 18:58:27 Mozilla/5.0 (hp-tablet; Linux; hpwOS/3.0.5; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) wOSBrowser/234.83 Safari/534.6 TouchPad/1.0 Nov 12 18:59:12 so now I'm trying to remember if I have a ua patch installed Nov 12 18:59:21 doesn't look like it Nov 12 19:00:16 nope, that is the default UA for webOS 3.* Nov 12 19:00:25 I remember being asked to set it.... Nov 12 19:00:34 haha Nov 12 19:00:45 dkirker: I'll never be as cool as you Nov 12 19:01:05 Something about "well, sites look for webOS in the UA and serve up mobile content and since this is a big screen, we need to make sure that doesn't happen" Nov 12 19:01:08 pattyland: so there you have it... Nov 12 19:01:12 so.... wOS it was..... Nov 12 19:01:15 yep I remember that Nov 12 19:01:52 so that was you huh? Nov 12 19:01:54 I wish my pre3 would only show mobile sites... Nov 12 19:02:16 Yeah, I wrote the commit for that haha Nov 12 19:02:36 gd interns... Nov 12 19:02:51 haha contractor then! :P Nov 12 19:03:03 oh fine Nov 12 19:03:22 what was also fun was bickering with the developers that wrote the in app help framework and the cloud side. They kept telling me what I should make the UA... instead of just properly updating the server UA parsing... Nov 12 19:03:53 you mean there was in-fighting? shocking. Nov 12 19:04:12 sure was a good idea to keep all that help safely locked away in the cloud.. :\ Nov 12 19:04:15 haha yeah, though, nothing like I have experience since :P Nov 12 19:04:34 heh well, it certainly was a lot of content to save locally :/ Nov 12 19:05:02 Alas... that work-to-hire contract was a mess.... Nov 12 19:05:53 anyone else use the webOS 3.x beta email app with conversation threading? man I wish my 2.x devices had that Nov 12 19:06:31 no, because I generally hate conversation threading. gmail really fails with how they handle it most of the time Nov 12 19:06:43 as does Outlook Nov 12 19:06:49 maybe it Nov 12 19:06:56 maybe it's just me :* Nov 12 19:07:35 I'm gonna throw an idea out for something I've been wondering about.. Nov 12 19:07:38 Would be great combined with messaging Nov 12 19:08:22 all the errors that get logged because of the account services and backup services not having a cloud to talk to.. would love to disable those services Nov 12 19:08:35 if it wouldn't impact webOS' day to day life Nov 12 19:09:02 or is it too central to how webOS operates? Nov 12 19:09:52 I dug around trying to disable the backup service years ago, but, call me a noob, the futures concept was just too hard to grasp for me, and I never got anywhere with it Nov 12 19:10:08 perhaps that's a flag for the metadoctor project Nov 12 19:10:35 It might bork a lot of stuff up Nov 12 19:10:38 I've always stuck hard to the K.I.S.S. principles when I program.. never makes something more complicated than it absolutely needs to be Nov 12 19:11:34 nizovn: are you around? I have a question about where bookmarks are stored and how to delete them or hide the bookmark bar in qupzilla. Nov 12 19:12:05 that was my fear.. but surely some of it could be cleaned up. maybe it really doesn't hurt anything, but it makes me wonder sometimes Nov 12 19:12:44 if only that homegrown backup server had gotten off the ground :) Nov 12 19:14:28 AlanMorford: yes, i'm partly here.. Nov 12 19:15:44 let me check that Nov 12 19:17:03 cool Nov 12 19:17:45 AlanMorford: you can hide bookmark tab in Preferences -> Appearance -> Advanced options Nov 12 19:18:15 awesome and if I want to delete the ones that are there? Nov 12 19:18:37 I tried the bookmark manager but I don't see delete option Nov 12 19:23:10 seems they can be deleted only from context menu, which don't work yet.. Nov 12 19:23:43 ok thanks for confirming Nov 12 19:24:32 but you can manually edit /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.nizovn.qupzilla/runtime/qt5/libexec/profiles/default/bookmarks.json in some text editor Nov 12 19:25:05 oops. swiped the wirc card Nov 12 19:25:28 darn you webOS and your app closing efficiency and ease Nov 12 19:26:18 LOL Nov 12 19:27:16 quick question: has anyone EVER been able to send an email on LuneOS? It seems like the mail service is not capable of sending, only receiving. Nov 12 19:27:24 AlanMorford: editing bookmars.json ^^ does work Nov 12 19:27:34 it used to cause a Luna restart, so just not sending is progress I guess :) Nov 12 19:28:27 I have probably only tested it with my gmail account, if that matters Nov 12 19:29:12 AlanMorford: I can't comment for now about pivotce feed, as mazzinia's question actually made me think if I have rights to distribute binaries with proprietary-codecs.. Nov 12 19:29:13 nizovn: is that in com.nizovn....in curators? Nov 12 19:30:14 cryptofs Nov 12 19:30:28 autocorrect... Nov 12 19:30:38 yup, /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.nizovn.qupzilla/runtime/qt5/libexec/profiles/default/bookmarks.json Nov 12 19:31:03 wow thanks Nov 12 19:31:03 nizovn: Do you have a question for the pivotce feed? Nov 12 19:31:26 I need to check where does this limitation about licenses appears in open source code Nov 12 19:31:53 pattyland: nope, just thinking my package is not legal for now to be published there Nov 12 19:32:23 Grabber50pc: It worked sometime ago Nov 12 19:32:30 I need to retest Nov 12 19:32:59 weird.. it's never worked for me, ever. Receives fine, but can't send Nov 12 19:33:16 Not sureI tested Nov 12 19:33:26 nizovn: Thank you for considering :P I don't want to go to court Nov 12 19:33:26 Anythinng in journalctl? Nov 12 19:33:59 :) Nov 12 19:34:32 there are things on the pivotce feed that are already questionable Nov 12 19:34:39 LOL Nov 12 19:35:07 I haven't checked recently Herrie Nov 12 19:35:20 but at pivotce we've always said 'at your own risk' and are always ready to remove something if the dev or owner asked us to Nov 12 19:35:29 AlanMorford: I'm not sure wether I want to know or if it's better that I don't know Nov 12 19:35:54 better to not know :) Nov 12 19:36:18 plausible deniability right? Nov 12 19:36:35 pattyland: don't worry about it. what herrie and jvl are cooking up will take the cake and it won't be on pivotce :-O Nov 12 19:37:45 Well anyone wants to see something about that? Nov 12 19:38:04 Good evening...I managed to be here (late, but still :) ) Nov 12 19:38:12 Sounds good! I wish there were some easier rules for outdated software... Something like this Fair-use stuff in the US Nov 12 19:39:06 remember that pivotce doesn't host the files anyway Nov 12 19:39:16 Hi Misj! Nov 12 19:39:36 * AlanMorford waves at Misj Nov 12 19:40:00 JVLebbink: you have something to show? Nov 12 19:40:16 AlanMorford: the packages that come through the developer portal are hosted at pivotCE. The pirate Bay doesn't hosted anything too :P Nov 12 19:40:29 Here´s a link Nov 12 19:40:31 https://app.box.com/s/df2ip5qyuru3bbi29z4gncymr80u43un Nov 12 19:40:44 Only screenshots for now Nov 12 19:40:53 It's not ready for primetime yet Nov 12 19:40:59 as downloads are not possible at the moment Nov 12 19:41:31 and bugs that need to be resolved too Nov 12 19:41:56 aww man I'm on a touchpad Nov 12 19:41:59 lol Nov 12 19:42:24 there's irony in not being able to see the images Nov 12 19:43:44 Alan, for you a quick copy on www.banneret.nl/webos/_temp/ Nov 12 19:43:47 ;) Nov 12 19:44:16 oh nice! Nov 12 19:44:40 screenshots are nice ! Nov 12 19:45:07 Special thanks to Misj' who kinda did most of the work on the creating the new application. Nov 12 19:45:21 Special thanks to Herrie too for sending me all the Apps and App information on SD-card Nov 12 19:45:26 AlanMorford: You've got mail ;) Nov 12 19:45:45 SD card.. so much cheaper to toss in the mail than a hard drive :) Nov 12 19:45:55 The screenshots are actually hosted on the Palm CDN Nov 12 19:46:09 so it requires setting it in the hosts file. Nov 12 19:46:11 the app screenshots are still accessible?? Nov 12 19:46:15 holy nutballs Nov 12 19:46:24 those look INCREDIBLE Nov 12 19:46:55 The basic app information is delivered with the IPK. Nov 12 19:46:56 The extended app information is loaded from the server Nov 12 19:47:24 having them still on the CDN means that we didn't have to host them ourselves...saving a lot of space and bandwidth Nov 12 19:47:41 and trouvle Nov 12 19:47:45 *trouble Nov 12 19:47:52 and the CDN turns out to be rather quick Nov 12 19:47:53 As JVL mentioned, the extended app information is hosted on my server (Banneret). Nov 12 19:48:25 Theapp info isn't a lot Nov 12 19:48:31 I'm impressed. I'd like to help as a liaison to the ftp site owners Nov 12 19:48:32 Screenshots are Nov 12 19:49:26 Oh...plus I kinda dubbed this entire initiative the webOS museum :) Nov 12 19:49:45 as I spoke via Twitter to herrie and jvl, can I restructure and/or rename the files on the ftp to better help them align with their app info Nov 12 19:50:18 I think that's wisdom to not call it a store Nov 12 19:50:37 "gallery" would be in par with museum Nov 12 19:51:06 yeah, we wanted to distance ourselves as much as possible from a store Nov 12 19:53:07 why did you decide make a new app rather than a feed to add to preware? Nov 12 19:53:34 Never thought about it Nov 12 19:54:23 @Alan: we also found a number of apps in my and JVL's backup that aren't in yours yet... Nov 12 19:54:43 I'm not sure Preware wants to be associated with this. ;) Nov 12 19:55:06 (wanting to keep it separate for potential legal reasons) Nov 12 19:55:18 sweet. put em up, shoot me a link, and I'll upload them. Nov 12 19:55:29 We also have some additional plans that wouldn´t be be easily added to preware Nov 12 19:55:32 You can have a private feed Nov 12 19:55:52 (even though I think this should be within the allowed territories) Nov 12 19:56:03 ZI.e. users would need to add it themselves Nov 12 19:56:28 so the only stipulation Rod ever gave me when we asked him to include pivotce as a default feed after the last preware vs update was that we didn't host paid apps in it Nov 12 19:57:21 yeah like herrie said, adding a feed would have been fine but I like the app idea. its beautiful Nov 12 19:58:15 misj and jvlebbink shoot me an email on the apps and naming for the ftp. I gotta run alanmorford at gmail Nov 12 19:58:27 will do Nov 12 20:01:07 I also have to leave again in a bit... Nov 12 20:01:22 #metoo Nov 12 20:02:33 I will tinker a bit further on the app, before we share it. But I expect the first beta to be public relatively soon (or as we say in the world of Palm: in the comming months) Nov 12 20:02:36 ;) Nov 12 20:04:42 bye everyone Nov 12 20:07:40 good night Nov 12 20:08:56 bye Misj Nov 12 20:11:40 Looking at iOS, Cydia and pirate repositories: The owner of Cydia hat a list of them, and Cydia displayed a warning message, but according to a package manager he didn't prevent adding them Nov 12 20:21:16 I got sidetracked.. talking to Sumi about disassembling my Go to fix the wifi module Nov 12 20:26:12 Grabber50pc: Go are reasy to fix Nov 12 20:26:37 Oh! I saw an email notification from Alan & thought it was about pivotCE. When I actually opened it, that reminded me and I may have used a swear word! Sorry everybody. I got distracted and forgot. I have no better excuse. Nov 12 20:26:53 I can do next Sunday if anyone wants to...? Nov 12 20:30:03 easy huh? OK :) Nov 12 20:34:51 so I guess the wifi module is part of the mainboard like on the full size TP, so only way to fix it is a new mainboard? Nov 12 20:37:41 Grabber50pc: No it's a separate card AFAIK Nov 12 20:38:07 I think the card is WiFi + GPS Nov 12 20:38:13 And in 3G ones it's all in one Nov 12 20:38:17 But might be wrong Nov 12 20:38:39 Just Go's are a lot easier to assemble and disassemble compared to regular TP's Nov 12 20:38:45 Just screws & torx Nov 12 20:38:47 I know the WWAN is on a separate board Nov 12 20:39:08 yeah the only thing that was scary was the LCD connector.. but was not hard Nov 12 20:40:02 one day mine just stopped connecting to WiFi.. "4G" was working still, but not WiFi Nov 12 20:40:34 I swapped back to the original WWAN, still no WiFi. It did connect one day while it was just sitting, but never since then Nov 12 20:40:52 so I put the LTE module back in and hoped it would connect eventually.. nope Nov 12 20:44:55 hmmz weird Nov 12 20:45:23 Could be it's something else then. Anything in logs? Nov 12 20:55:52 yeah.. I haven't looked at them in a while, but I did grab them at one time. Sounded grim : Nov 12 20:56:16 "wifi.athr: Failed to communicate with WiFi interface" Nov 12 20:56:50 I guess you tried Doctoring? Nov 12 21:00:26 Preemptive: #metoo - "I got distracted and forgot" and joined too late (just do the meeting next Sunday - but I will not be here) Nov 12 21:01:10 yeah, doctor did not help Nov 12 21:01:43 A bunch of these, followed by the first message i posted: "Unable to get Wireless Extension version number. Retrying..." Nov 12 21:02:00 then: "board_sdio_wifi_disable" Nov 12 21:03:38 It could be some token missing somewhere somehow Nov 12 21:04:12 kind of odd though.. it was fine, then one day it quit Nov 12 21:04:16 I emailed the messages to you Nov 12 21:04:28 OK Nov 12 21:04:29 MartinHov: OK. I hope i don't get the cold shoulder for letting the side down today! ;-) Nov 12 21:04:42 Preemptive: No you're fine Nov 12 21:04:56 I've been half around, house full of guests and baby on 1 arm most of the time Nov 12 21:05:01 So lots of typos Nov 12 21:27:43 heh Nov 12 21:28:02 I need to go pay some attention to my wife for a while Nov 12 21:28:09 see you guys later Nov 12 22:40:24 well crap... I closed this window, and the archives aren't working. Apparently that's synergybot's job Nov 12 22:40:45 and it hasn't been doing it.. the last archive that isn't basically empty is Oct 15th, the last meetup Nov 12 22:41:41 or does it only happen after the end of the day? Nov 12 22:41:50 will find out tomorrow I guess :| **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 13 03:00:00 2017