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Sep 23 16:01:03 <Preemptive> Hi Everybody!
Sep 23 16:01:19 <elvispre> Hello.
Sep 23 16:01:59 <Preemptive> Bit rushed today. Wasn't sure if i'd make it. I'll knock up and agenda for a couple of mins, but it will be basically the same as last month.
Sep 23 16:02:24 <nizovn> morning
Sep 23 16:02:27 <bbito> Morning
Sep 23 16:02:29 <elvispre> :)
Sep 23 16:07:49 <Preemptive> I think we can add discussion of the webkit thing and the Enact browser, but to start...
Sep 23 16:07:53 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Sep 23 16:08:21 <Preemptive> I doubt there's anyone new today...
Sep 23 16:09:47 <Herrie> I'm here for a change at least a bit ;)
Sep 23 16:11:09 <Preemptive> Herrie: Good to see you!
Sep 23 16:11:10 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
Sep 23 16:11:23 <Preemptive> none, right?
Sep 23 16:11:30 <elvispre> Right.
Sep 23 16:11:36 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Sep 23 16:11:45 <Preemptive> Skip straight to 4?
Sep 23 16:12:06 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Sep 23 16:12:41 <Preemptive> 4.1. Qupzilla. (nizovn) http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331764-tp-qupzilla.html
Sep 23 16:13:08 <nizovn> sorry, no update here. There are some unexpected difficulties with implementing rotation support, i'm still working on it.
Sep 23 16:13:22 <Preemptive> OK. Thanks. I'll move on.
Sep 23 16:13:29 <nizovn> I plan to work mostly on LuneOS/webOS OSE after current work is released, so there will be less updates for legacy devices later.
Sep 23 16:13:40 <Preemptive> OK.
Sep 23 16:13:42 <Preemptive>  Qt browser. (nizovn)https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332183-qt-webbrowser.html
Sep 23 16:14:12 <nizovn> same for this and 4.3
Sep 23 16:14:25 <Preemptive> 4.3. webOS Qt5 SDK. (nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332182-qt5-webos-sdk.html
Sep 23 16:14:37 <Preemptive> OK! That's a quick start!
Sep 23 16:14:55 <Preemptive> 4.4. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Sep 23 16:14:57 <bbito> 4.4 - Updated meta-doctors, No work on my end, no time available for me in the near future
Sep 23 16:15:16 <Preemptive> Still make files is the blocker?
Sep 23 16:16:35 <bbito> Mostly it is that when I signed up I had an employee relieving me of some production work and I had time to code - not so much since she moved on.
Sep 23 16:17:25 <Preemptive> Oh, OK. I'm wondering if Rod Whitby might be able to offer some expertise. There was sort of an offer of support on the table...
Sep 23 16:17:39 <Herrie> I hope to have time after move is completed
Sep 23 16:17:56 <Herrie> Just all my spare time has been going to getting the new house ready really
Sep 23 16:18:10 <Herrie> That, 2 children and busy job doesn't help ;)
Sep 23 16:18:27 <Herrie> Hopefully things will calm down in another 4-6 weeks a bit at least
Sep 23 16:19:16 <bbito> Herrie: once you get back to this, let me know if there is anything you can task me with, I just haven't had space to figure out the meta-doctor patching...
Sep 23 16:21:16 <bbito> Preemptive: did Rod attend a meetup?
Sep 23 16:21:52 <Herrie> bbito: I think you can PR your changes if you didn't already
Sep 23 16:21:57 <Herrie> To fetch the Doctors etc
Sep 23 16:22:09 <Herrie> I'll talk with ka6sox or rod to get them merged
Sep 23 16:22:12 <bbito> Herrie: will do today
Sep 23 16:22:23 <Preemptive> bbito: You mean one of these meetings? No. Timezone problem. But: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up.html#post3450971
Sep 23 16:23:25 <bbito> Preemptive: thanks for the link
Sep 23 16:25:05 <Preemptive> Do you have more to discuss or shall we move on?
Sep 23 16:25:26 <Herrie> I guess I know how to patch, there are some examples
Sep 23 16:25:34 <Herrie> And for other bits we could just add the IPK's
Sep 23 16:25:41 <Herrie> There's examples for that too
Sep 23 16:25:55 <Herrie> It's not rocket science, just need to find a proper timeslot I can dedicate to it
Sep 23 16:26:33 <bbito> I've got no more to add today
Sep 23 16:27:21 <Preemptive> 4.5. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Sep 23 16:28:14 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Think that's you...
Sep 23 16:31:33 <Preemptive> OK, no report. Moving on.
Sep 23 16:31:35 <Preemptive> 4.6. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Sep 23 16:32:07 <Preemptive> I guess this kind of includes the recent server move and if there are any benefits / updates here
Sep 23 16:34:09 <Preemptive> Herrie: Are you aware of any changes to the server setup that might benefit any of the projects?
Sep 23 16:37:48 <Preemptive> elvispre|s: nivozn: Do either of you no much about what has haapend to the servers? Unfortunately novaldeax isn't here today.
Sep 23 16:37:58 <Preemptive> *know
Sep 23 16:39:47 <nizovn> i don't know
Sep 23 16:39:53 <nizovn> probably servers are ok
Sep 23 16:40:01 <nizovn> but DNS isn't configured
Sep 23 16:40:45 <Preemptive> Yes, I heard about the DNS and maybe Rod W. is a domian owner who would need to reset the IP addresses
Sep 23 16:41:25 <Preemptive> I guess we should move on. i can email novaldex and maybe get a short report. it's good to know it's mostly working.
Sep 23 16:42:06 <Preemptive> 4.7. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation* (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections)
Sep 23 16:42:32 <Preemptive> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Sep 23 16:42:38 <Preemptive> I guess nothing here.
Sep 23 16:43:47 <Preemptive> Misj isn't here, so I'll skip to 4.9 (It's going to be really quick today!)
Sep 23 16:43:51 <Preemptive> 4.9 https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768]App Store Specification. (also: https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html#post3452882]webOS Nation App gallery issues). (Preemptive + others)
Sep 23 16:45:18 <Preemptive> No one's posted on the thread aside from me recently. I've been very busy, but with luck, i can at least do some more research next month.
Sep 23 16:45:35 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Sep 23 16:46:00 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423]
Sep 23 16:46:35 <Preemptive> Nothing to add here I think.
Sep 23 16:46:45 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Sep 23 16:47:03 <Preemptive> Nothing new here either - That's good AND bad!
Sep 23 16:47:16 <elvispre|s> True!
Sep 23 16:47:34 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Sep 23 16:48:12 <elvispre|s> 5.3?
Sep 23 16:48:52 <Preemptive> Er, there was the release of the Enact browser. I know almost nothing about it. Any chance it would work on Legacy or could be ported (at minimum it would require the enact framework, that might not support Legacy webOS)
Sep 23 16:49:32 <Preemptive> elvispre|s: Oh, didn't copy properly. Sorry!
Sep 23 16:49:40 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Sep 23 16:49:55 <Herrie> It would require the OSE Chromium  53 I guess
Sep 23 16:50:03 <Herrie> And other bits
Sep 23 16:50:39 <Preemptive> Herrie: Possible? Worth the effort? I assume it would be easy to use with LuneOS.
Sep 23 16:50:47 <Herrie> Might be useful to some extend on LuneOS, unlikely on legacy I'd say due to dependencies
Sep 23 16:50:56 <Preemptive> OK.
Sep 23 16:51:36 <Preemptive> Is there anything else of note to discuss on webOS OSE with regard to Legacy or LuneOS?
Sep 23 16:53:37 <Preemptive> Moving on...
Sep 23 16:53:58 <Preemptive> 5.4. Is it possible to enlarge mojo apps on the Touchpad? https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-7.html#post3453971
Sep 23 16:56:06 <Preemptive> I think most of this was covered last month and the answer was that upscaled graphics would be required (this was done for LuneOS, so there is a resource), but basically, it's better to write large screen mojo app than trying to 'upscale', so it may be possible to rewrite some phone apps if necessary.
Sep 23 16:57:16 <Preemptive> The LuneOS graphics are of course 'system' icons and such. Graphical items specific to an app would need to be redone.
Sep 23 16:58:07 <Preemptive> So I will add:
Sep 23 16:59:14 <Preemptive> 5.5 Could an updated webkit be installed on Legacy webOS, enabling modern web function for the stock browser and other items?
Sep 23 17:00:21 <nizovn> i really doubt about this
Sep 23 17:00:45 <Preemptive> Apple have been updating webkit, so it's possible that a simple compile for Legacy may be 'easy', but i think webkit was customised by Palm and new parts might require further system patching so that (for example) the browser would then work with it. - possibly a big job
Sep 23 17:00:52 <nizovn> as we need newer qtwebkit 4.8 and it isn't supported/updated
Sep 23 17:02:00 <nizovn> so qtwebkit should be adapted for newer webkit, and this work even qt company won't do
Sep 23 17:02:53 <Preemptive> nivozn: I'm afraid i'm not clear on the distinction - it HAS to be Qt webkit? I didn't think Qt was originally on webOS.
Sep 23 17:03:45 <nizovn> yes, whole system manager is written using qt 4.8
Sep 23 17:05:22 <Preemptive> Oh. Surprising. I'm remebering the person who 'ported' 4.8 to webOS and the A-browser was a test (UI not really usable)
Sep 23 17:07:04 <nizovn> i think webos qt version is not available for developers, so qt apps not supported
Sep 23 17:07:40 <nizovn> however, there was "qt" application type in webos, so maybe qt support was planned
Sep 23 17:10:22 <nizovn> now i see maybe i'm wrong because lunasysmgr is linked to "libWebKitLuna.so"
Sep 23 17:10:26 <Preemptive> OK. Well maybe there will be a bit more debate on the forum. I assume Qt browser is using Qt webengine?
Sep 23 17:10:27 <nizovn> not sure what it is...
Sep 23 17:10:54 <nizovn> Preemptive: yes
Sep 23 17:12:54 <Preemptive> nizovn: I think mazzinia raised this possibility and it's a nice idea, but I do suspect that even if technically possible, it may be too much work for members of this group to do it. Perhaps Mazzinia can look more closely at it and maybe test the possibility.
Sep 23 17:13:28 <Preemptive> I'll move on...
Sep 23 17:13:42 <Preemptive> 6. Any other business.
Sep 23 17:14:40 <Preemptive> If there's any new issues to raise or discussions we could have, now is the time to type! Or we will move to the date of the next meeting.
Sep 23 17:16:03 <Preemptive> 7. Date of next meeting.
Sep 23 17:16:26 <Preemptive> I think we are looking at the 21st of October - 1600GMT again?
Sep 23 17:16:51 <elvispre> I'm going to remember the GMT bit next time :)
Sep 23 17:17:29 <Preemptive> elvispre: I'm going to remember it in the MEANTIME!
Sep 23 17:17:39 <Preemptive> ;-)
Sep 23 17:18:27 <Preemptive> \me might want to go back to 1700 in November...
Sep 23 17:18:47 <Preemptive> Oh, that didn't work!
Sep 23 17:19:08 * Preemptive is no good at IRC
Sep 23 17:19:14 <nizovn> :)
Sep 23 17:20:15 * Preemptive is always slashing in the wrong direction (that's a British joke)
Sep 23 17:20:35 <Preemptive> Are we agreeing the proposed time then?
Sep 23 17:20:45 <elvispre> It's good for me.
Sep 23 17:21:07 <nizovn> ok for me too
Sep 23 17:22:43 <Preemptive> OK. Great. We'll go with it. Some signs of progress, if a quiet month this time. Thanks for coming along and the work you have done. See you next month.
Sep 23 17:22:53 <Preemptive> Misj: You are too late! ;-)
Sep 23 17:23:12 <Misj> I forgot the 'earlier' part :)
Sep 23 17:23:30 <Misj> (plus I just finished dinner)
Sep 23 17:23:33 <Preemptive> Misj: Is there anything you have to report or add?
Sep 23 17:23:48 <elvispre> Preemptive: Thanks for organising and conducting this.
Sep 23 17:24:15 <bbito> Herrie: I made the PR
Sep 23 17:24:22 <Preemptive> elvispre: Thank you for coming along.
Sep 23 17:24:30 <Misj> No, not really...I've been a little 'off' webOS wise lately (still use my device daily, but when I'm at home I hardly spend time programming)
Sep 23 17:25:05 <Preemptive> Misj: OK, well there's a nice short log for you to read! ;-)
Sep 23 17:25:27 <Misj> that's good to hear! - I love reading logs.
Sep 23 17:25:51 <Preemptive> Misj: So say we all.
Sep 23 17:26:43 <Misj> Out of curiosity...I haven't seen any recent posts on PivotCE or about LuneOS. I was wondering what's going on in either of those.
Sep 23 17:27:24 <Misj> and since I'm here now, and you guys are here now...I was just wondering and throwing it up there.
Sep 23 17:27:47 <Preemptive> Misj: You mean, is there going to be a release?
Sep 23 17:28:32 <Preemptive> Misj: Or is pivotCE 'dead'?
Sep 23 17:28:33 <Misj> yes...is there any progress. Last time I heard something was just after LG released their open-source version of webOS
Sep 23 17:28:41 <Misj> and that too :D
Sep 23 17:29:49 <Misj> (I have to admit I haven't kept that close an eye on LuneOS, but still...I enjoyed progress posts)
Sep 23 17:30:20 <Preemptive> Misj: It's for the others to comment on LuneOS, though I think it's a question of rebasing - first to Halium, then to OSE. also, the servers just moved, so i expect that paused things also
Sep 23 17:32:03 <Preemptive> Misj: pivotCE is not dead, but i think i'm basically the only writer. Alan did come back and have a bit of a spurt, but I think he's gone quiet again.
Sep 23 17:33:06 <Misj> and there probably hasn't been that much to report lately...
Sep 23 17:33:35 <Preemptive> I tend to write long pieces or just collect interesting bits into the 'news crumbs' pieces. I've just been very busy. For a while there wasn't much to cover, but OSE and the new phone are things that could be done (we did a bit on OSE)
Sep 23 17:34:41 <Misj> yeah, it's not a critique. Just an observation that I thought I'd share.
Sep 23 17:34:56 <Preemptive> We're not proper reporters obviously, so i don't know if we could get a pepito to review... and it doesn't appear to be that interesting at the moment.
Sep 23 17:35:50 <Misj> (it's not like I've been doing much lately...every time I sit down to do something for webOS several hours pass on something else ;) )
Sep 23 17:36:35 <Preemptive> I'll try to get back into the habit of at least the news crumbs - which are always handy to keep things 'alive' if thigs are slow.
Sep 23 17:36:57 <Misj> anyway. I'm glad we're still having these monthly meetups :D
Sep 23 17:37:14 <Preemptive> Writers for pivotCE are always welcome!
Sep 23 17:37:21 <Misj> (even though I dropped in way to late ;) )
Sep 23 17:38:25 <Preemptive> Well, i said i was quite busy and it seems i have almost 20mins more than i was expecting, so I'll get on with some thing useful and say farewell
Sep 23 17:38:31 <Preemptive> Good night!
Sep 23 17:38:45 <Misj> good night Pre
Sep 23 17:38:58 <bbito> Bye
Sep 23 17:40:12 <nizovn> bye
Sep 23 20:46:40 <bughi1980> hops , missed it
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