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Jan 13 16:46:13 <Preemptive> Starting at the top of the hour... https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-users-online-meet-up-8.html#post3454898
Jan 13 17:03:11 <Preemptive> Morning Everyone! Here the agenda again: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-users-online-meet-up-8.html#post3454898
Jan 13 17:03:16 <nizovn> morning
Jan 13 17:03:21 <elvispre> Hello
Jan 13 17:03:30 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Jan 13 17:03:59 <Preemptive> Any one else, say hello and if you're new, give us a quick webOS related bio
Jan 13 17:06:07 <Preemptive> Hmmm. only 3? Well, may more will join later or wake up!
Jan 13 17:06:23 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
Jan 13 17:06:29 <Preemptive> 2.1. Selection of a Priority Project?
Jan 13 17:06:52 <Preemptive> So this is a minor thing from me
Jan 13 17:07:20 <elvispre> Did you have something in mind?
Jan 13 17:07:21 <nizovn> well i vote for new openssl
Jan 13 17:07:46 <Preemptive> I was just thinking that at the end of a meeting, the group could nominate and select the 'Priority Project'
Jan 13 17:08:03 <Preemptive> nizovn: Exactly!
Jan 13 17:08:38 <Preemptive> It wouldn't necessarily make any difference, it would just be like the high-lighter pen
Jan 13 17:09:02 <elvispre> Sounds sensible to me.
Jan 13 17:09:14 <Preemptive> We puyt a falahing light on something important or urgent so anyone who might want to help will pick that project
Jan 13 17:09:24 <Preemptive> *flashing light
Jan 13 17:10:24 <Preemptive> It probably won't make much difference most of the time. I you both approve, then we'll trial it at the end (if others show up)
Jan 13 17:10:32 <Preemptive> *if
Jan 13 17:10:50 * Preemptive still needs to read before pressiing enter
Jan 13 17:10:51 <elvispre> I approve.
Jan 13 17:11:22 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Jan 13 17:11:31 <Preemptive> Nothing here I guess
Jan 13 17:11:39 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Jan 13 17:11:58 <Preemptive> 4.1. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Jan 13 17:13:02 <Preemptive> Neither are here, but I think I caught a message somewhere that Herrie was telling bbito that he had a new machine and hadn't forgotten the project, so maybe there will be something next month
Jan 13 17:13:10 <elvispre> I can tell you that Herrie is putting a heavyweight new machine together at the moment and has just moved house.
Jan 13 17:13:22 <elvispre> And, yes, I saw that too.
Jan 13 17:13:25 <Preemptive> 4.2. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Jan 13 17:14:05 <Preemptive> bughi1980: (mazzinia) I see you online. Are you with us?
Jan 13 17:14:59 <Preemptive> OK. moving on...
Jan 13 17:15:27 <Preemptive> Hey HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!
Jan 13 17:15:40 <Preemptive> ...almost forgot about that
Jan 13 17:15:47 <elvispre> :)
Jan 13 17:15:54 <Preemptive> 4.3. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Jan 13 17:16:19 <Preemptive> ...Perhaps Herrie's new machine will help here also?
Jan 13 17:17:22 <elvispre> My impression is that Herrie is good at suggesting to novaldex what needs fixing.
Jan 13 17:17:37 <Preemptive> ...I'm thinking this will be a very short meeting...
Jan 13 17:17:47 <elvispre> January!
Jan 13 17:18:19 <Preemptive> I'm going to skip 4.4 - 4.6 if there are no objections.
Jan 13 17:18:48 <Preemptive> 4.7 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html
Jan 13 17:20:13 <Preemptive> I have nothing to report. Derek Kessler has not responded to my email, but I guess he was busy at CES. I'll chase up before next month and maybe try other contacts after that.
Jan 13 17:20:36 <Preemptive> 4.8. Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html
Jan 13 17:21:06 <Preemptive> dkirker: I also see you online, but are you actually present?
Jan 13 17:22:56 <Preemptive> OK, well as above I would suggest this is the 'Priority Project' for February as it's important and a bit urgent.
Jan 13 17:23:13 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Jan 13 17:23:30 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options. http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Jan 13 17:23:56 <Preemptive> I'm not aware of anything new on this.
Jan 13 17:26:16 <Preemptive> I got some new Pre3 batteries recently, so intend to tidy up / refresh my devices a bit. I should get a round to testing some of the options on the thread
Jan 13 17:26:43 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Jan 13 17:26:50 <Preemptive> 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594
Jan 13 17:28:12 <Preemptive> I don't think there's anything new on this. It's less urgent than the
Jan 13 17:28:14 <Preemptive> TLS
Jan 13 17:28:46 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Jan 13 17:29:12 <Preemptive> nizovn: How is your port to the A1 going?
Jan 13 17:29:43 <nizovn> got adb access working, so now at least can debug why it's not booting
Jan 13 17:30:08 <nizovn> but got distracted with qt webbrowser ui for veer
Jan 13 17:31:03 <Preemptive> nizovn: Oh, yes, I saw mention of that. Do you want me to put that project back on the agenda or is it a minor fix?
Jan 13 17:31:29 <nizovn> i think it's occasional update
Jan 13 17:32:08 <nizovn> this year will be tough for me
Jan 13 17:32:29 <nizovn> will have no time for hobby pretty soon
Jan 13 17:33:45 <elvispre> You have a big work project coming up?
Jan 13 17:34:01 <Preemptive> nizovn: That's a shame. You're the biggest contributor so far I think. I hope it's good things keeping you busy.
Jan 13 17:34:17 <nizovn> well i need to finish my thesis this spring
Jan 13 17:34:56 <Preemptive> nizovn: Good luck with that. What is the subject of the thesis?
Jan 13 17:35:55 <nizovn> realization of optical quantum memory in some rare earth crystall
Jan 13 17:36:06 <nizovn> sounds cool? :)
Jan 13 17:36:35 <elvispre> Definitely sounds cool.
Jan 13 17:37:17 <codepoet80> is this where the party is?
Jan 13 17:37:20 <Preemptive> nizovn: Very cool!
Jan 13 17:37:20 <nizovn> quantum something somehow always sounds good
Jan 13 17:37:51 <Preemptive> codepoet80: Hi. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-users-online-meet-up-8.html#post3454898
Jan 13 17:38:23 <Preemptive> We actually almost done, but we can rewind if you like...
Jan 13 17:38:31 <codepoet80> d'oh, did the timezone conversion wrong. don't wait for me
Jan 13 17:39:31 <codepoet80> the logs are empty :-( http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.20190113.txt
Jan 13 17:39:46 <codepoet80> did dkirker solve TLS?
Jan 13 17:39:49 <elvispre> Well item 4.6 on the Night Moves app might be worth a rewind?
Jan 13 17:39:56 <Preemptive> It's fine there are only four of us. I'll give you time to scan the log: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.txt
Jan 13 17:40:42 <codepoet80> i still see the logs as empty
Jan 13 17:41:05 <Preemptive> OK. That was wrong, but you're correct.  But http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt is indeed empty
Jan 13 17:41:46 <nizovn> ^ it does work for me
Jan 13 17:41:53 <elvispre> And for me
Jan 13 17:41:56 <Preemptive> Which link?
Jan 13 17:42:06 <nizovn> http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt
Jan 13 17:42:22 <codepoet80> i added a feature to Night Moves to kill apps that keep the screen on -- in case you fall asleep reading something (which happened to me a couple times), and a nightly toggle for Bluetooth, so if you're wearing a Pebble watch to bed, it won't wake you up with notification. otherwise, no other changes. still does its thing.
Jan 13 17:42:28 <Preemptive> Oh, I was blocking a script. I think that must be a new thing
Jan 13 17:43:03 * codepoet80 reviews logs in another browser
Jan 13 17:43:17 <Preemptive> That's 4.6 Night Moves app. (codepoet80_) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/332277-there-any-night-modes-webos-like-f-lux.html
Jan 13 17:44:09 <nizovn> codepoet80: i now recall you were asking about which apps keep screen turned on... these are basically all PDK apps (games)
Jan 13 17:46:11 <codepoet80> just read about nizovn's thesis. sounds awesome. good tip on PDK, i wonder if there's a way to specifically detect if there's a PDK app open. otherwise, my appid search seems to do the trick.
Jan 13 17:46:37 <codepoet80> i implemented it with an option to either steal focus, or kill the app outright. steal focus seems to work most of the time.
Jan 13 17:47:53 <nizovn> yes, stealing focus should work
Jan 13 17:48:55 <nizovn> codepoet80: not sure, one could theoretically to grep appinfo.json if the type is pdk of game, but not sure if it's worth it
Jan 13 17:49:25 <nizovn> or maybe some root luna-send call exists on this purpose
Jan 13 17:49:33 <nizovn> s/root/private
Jan 13 17:49:43 <codepoet80> ya, probably not. the venn diagram of apps you fall asleep using and apps that are pdk is probably small enough to just keep a list
Jan 13 17:50:25 <nizovn> yup, btw qt5 apps are also pdk
Jan 13 17:51:25 <Preemptive> codepoet80: You are surely overlooking the glorious future where webOS comes back to life with a million apps! :-)
Jan 13 17:51:49 * codepoet80 grins
Jan 13 17:52:30 <codepoet80> @nizovn: ya, i figured that out when i fell asleep reading slashdot :-P
Jan 13 17:52:56 <nizovn> :)
Jan 13 17:53:32 <Preemptive> Is that 4.6 covered?
Jan 13 17:55:37 <Preemptive> codepoet80: I'll take that as a yes. Thanks for the update. Do you have anything new on documentation or shall we move on?
Jan 13 17:56:38 <codepoet80> found some problems with links in github pages, so moved it back to my Pi for now. haven't had time to figure out what's going on, but i'll get around to it. otherwise, nothing new to report. starting enyo tinkering in 2019, so i'm sure i'll have updates then.
Jan 13 17:57:39 <Preemptive> codepoet80: OK. Great. So moving on...
Jan 13 17:57:46 <Preemptive> 5.4. Possible Emoji support. (it needs more than a new font) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/320256-emoji-emoticon-display-messaging-app-3.html
Jan 13 17:58:28 <Preemptive> I think this has stalled for the moment. I can't remeber if it's not possible or too much work to finf the bug.
Jan 13 17:58:33 <Preemptive> *find
Jan 13 17:59:05 <Preemptive> *remember (also!)
Jan 13 17:59:29 <codepoet80> too much work/too deep in the stack
Jan 13 17:59:36 <Preemptive> OK.
Jan 13 17:59:38 <Preemptive> 5.5. Possible LuneOS testing protocol.
Jan 13 18:00:50 <Preemptive> I'm pretty sure I messaged Herrie about this. It's up to the Ports group really - I don't want to tread on their lawn if you like!
Jan 13 18:01:07 <elvispre> I'm sure all suggestions are welcome.
Jan 13 18:02:26 <elvispre> There is quite a lot of "known broken" stuff at the moment.
Jan 13 18:02:38 <Preemptive> Two of you are part of the team and I think the idea was positively received at the last meeting, so if there's formal apporval from webOS prots we could do a wiki page / thread on suggestions for a testing protocol.
Jan 13 18:02:51 <elvispre> Was someone suggesting a list of things to try out and things not worth trying out?
Jan 13 18:03:20 <Preemptive> *ports I think I need to adjust my postion re the keyboard!
Jan 13 18:04:08 <elvispre> Your fingers have a race condition :-)
Jan 13 18:04:37 <Preemptive> elvispre: I think nizovn offered some basics like checking the H/W buttons and the like, but the specifics are probably better discussed on the thread before going to a wiki page
Jan 13 18:05:12 <Preemptive> Anyway, no rush on this stuff. Moving on...
Jan 13 18:05:18 <nizovn> yes, check testr app and hw featurs
Jan 13 18:05:36 <Preemptive> 6. Any other business.
Jan 13 18:07:15 <Preemptive> Oh, right, we're almost done. On top of the priority project thing, I just though of a 'featured item'. We could have one at each meeting to either turn a discussion item into a project or to kick a dormant project back to life, but I'll leave that idea for next time
Jan 13 18:08:05 <Preemptive> So I propose that we call the TLS fix the priority project. Does anyone have another suggestion?
Jan 13 18:08:32 * codepoet80 nods agreement
Jan 13 18:08:38 <elvispre> TLS sounds sensible to me.
Jan 13 18:08:52 <Preemptive> That's 4.8. Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html
Jan 13 18:09:50 <Preemptive> OK. well I'll puzzle out some way to highlight it - I guess top of the agenda and a bright colour in the forum post.
Jan 13 18:10:01 <Preemptive> 7. Date of next meeting.
Jan 13 18:10:35 <Preemptive> We have 3rd, 10th, 17th & 24th of February available.
Jan 13 18:11:32 <Preemptive> 17th?
Jan 13 18:11:52 <codepoet80> 17th good for me. 11 days before the end-of-TLS deadline Microsoft imposed on my email...
Jan 13 18:12:13 <nizovn> good for me too
Jan 13 18:12:23 <elvispre> Suits me too.
Jan 13 18:13:19 <Preemptive> codepoet80: Oh... yes. Are there various deadlines or has everyone agreed a single FINAL deadline on TLS?
Jan 13 18:13:55 <codepoet80> various... but the office365 cut off will impact a lot of people
Jan 13 18:14:25 <codepoet80> i did a search looking for alternate hosts, and when you dig deep, most of them are using hosted exchange or office365 for EAS
Jan 13 18:14:37 <codepoet80> (eg: GoDaddy just re-sells Office365 now)
Jan 13 18:14:39 <Preemptive> codepoet80: OK. Worth noting
Jan 13 18:15:11 <Preemptive> Right, so 17th. I assume the time of 1700GMT is still Ok for everybody..?
Jan 13 18:15:20 <elvispre> Yes.
Jan 13 18:15:28 <codepoet80> yup
Jan 13 18:15:41 <nizovn> yes
Jan 13 18:16:33 <Preemptive> OK. Great. Thanks everybody. A sort & sweet meeting. See you here next month and on the forums in the meantime!
Jan 13 18:17:04 <nizovn> thanks all! bye
Jan 13 18:17:11 <codepoet80> have a good one!
Jan 13 18:18:22 <Preemptive> Good night!
Jan 13 19:33:57 <bughi1980> uh hops, was today :S
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