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Feb 17 16:11:21 <Preemptive> Starts at the top of the hour: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-8.html#post3455053
Feb 17 16:12:17 <bughi1980> hello
Feb 17 16:12:23 <bughi1980> seems I rebooted at the right time
Feb 17 16:12:50 <Preemptive> Morning
Feb 17 16:13:05 <bughi1980> morning. I'm messing up the pc :P
Feb 17 16:13:29 * elvispre is just about to reboot for similar reasons but will be back...
Feb 17 16:13:52 <bughi1980> uhm, not sure is going to be similar reasons :P:P
Feb 17 17:01:12 <elvispre> bughi1980: Say no more :) I am tweaking my CPU core max clock ratios.
Feb 17 17:01:33 <Preemptive> OK here is today's agenda: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-8.html#post3455053
Feb 17 17:02:14 <Misj> ge'day
Feb 17 17:02:27 <nizovn> morning
Feb 17 17:02:31 <Misj> I actually managed to remember it this month :)
Feb 17 17:02:44 <Preemptive> There's lot's to cover, so I will try to get through it at a decent pace
Feb 17 17:02:57 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Feb 17 17:03:23 <bughi1980> uhm elvispre, I think mine is more mild... just playng with the pagefile
Feb 17 17:03:26 <Preemptive> As usual, say hello and if you are new, give us a quick webOS related biography of yourself
Feb 17 17:03:45 <bughi1980> and morning :)
Feb 17 17:05:30 <Herrie|Laptop> Morning
Feb 17 17:06:02 <Preemptive> So i make that bughi1980, elvispre, Herrie, Misj, nizovn and myself. 6 to begin. Hopefully more later...
Feb 17 17:06:13 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
Feb 17 17:06:21 <Preemptive> 2.1. Maybe 'feature' a dormant project or discussion item?
Feb 17 17:06:32 <Preemptive> I think this is a reasonable idea, but at this point, kind of irrelevant. There are a number of projects that are important and even if we make speedy progress, there is a fair amount to get through. That said, it may be worth throwing light on a project that is both dormant AND important, so I propose that when we reach item 6, selecting or confirming the priority project, we can also choose to highlight a dormant project if necessary.
Feb 17 17:07:10 <Preemptive> (yes, I typed that earlier to save time!) ;-)
Feb 17 17:07:17 <elvispre> :)
Feb 17 17:07:46 <Preemptive> no objections?
Feb 17 17:07:55 <Preemptive> moving on if not...
Feb 17 17:08:38 <Misj> no objection
Feb 17 17:08:41 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Feb 17 17:08:55 <Preemptive> I'm guessing no as usual...
Feb 17 17:09:50 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Feb 17 17:10:51 <Preemptive> Herrie|Laptop: Can you tell us a bit about the Internals files that have been saved and how that could help some of the projects?
Feb 17 17:11:36 <Preemptive> https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-8.html#post3455108
Feb 17 17:14:47 <Preemptive> OK, maybe he's not quite here yet...
Feb 17 17:15:14 <Herrie|Laptop> Preemptive: Half here
Feb 17 17:15:44 <Preemptive> dkirker: Isn't here either... Or did the 'away' marker just vanish...?
Feb 17 17:15:45 <Herrie|Laptop> Well basically everything from git.webos-internals.org has been recovered and is in either http://github.com/wosigh or http://github.com/webos-internals
Feb 17 17:16:06 <dkirker> The away marker probably just vanished... I'm half here, too
Feb 17 17:16:17 <Herrie|Laptop> Also been doing some fixes to the scripts and various bits that build the Preware feeds. So we're now able to build them on Ubuntu 16.04 more or less
Feb 17 17:16:31 <Herrie|Laptop> Still a few issues to sort, but getting there slowly
Feb 17 17:16:49 <Herrie|Laptop> Which means we can also accept patches to the Github repos going forward and merge them and get them into the feeds it seems
Feb 17 17:17:02 <Preemptive> Herrie|Laptop: So it's useful in getting updates to people via Preware rather than files attached to forum posts.
Feb 17 17:17:08 <elvispre> Herrie|Laptop: Are these feeds relevant to LuneOS or just the legacy devices?
Feb 17 17:17:20 <Preemptive> dkirker: Good to see you! :)
Feb 17 17:18:32 <Herrie|Laptop> Just legacy
Feb 17 17:18:41 <Herrie|Laptop> Also it will help to build legacy packages
Feb 17 17:18:45 <Herrie|Laptop> Stuff like OpenSSL for example
Feb 17 17:18:50 <elvispre> OK
Feb 17 17:18:54 <Herrie|Laptop> Since it will also contain the legacy toolchain etc
Feb 17 17:19:02 <Herrie|Laptop> For LuneOS we have feeds setup and working in general
Feb 17 17:20:12 <Preemptive> Herrie|Laptop: This is great news. Thanks for the update. It's often the background stuff that's important in helping all the other projects more ahead.
Feb 17 17:20:24 <Preemptive> *move
Feb 17 17:20:39 <Herrie|Laptop> Yes
Feb 17 17:20:42 <Preemptive> So, shall we move on to specific projects?
Feb 17 17:20:52 <Herrie|Laptop> Lots of help from rwhiby & novaldex there actually
Feb 17 17:20:58 <Herrie|Laptop> In getting things setup & sorted
Feb 17 17:21:49 <Preemptive> Herrie|Laptop: I'll note that in the summary. In fact this is part of 4.4 really...
Feb 17 17:21:58 <Preemptive> 4.1. Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html
Feb 17 17:22:34 <Preemptive> dkirker: I know you've been busy. How is it coming along?
Feb 17 17:23:45 <dkirker> I haven't had too much of a chance to do the last (and most important) step. Though, I did investigate the patches that were in the previous OpenSSL Updater and found that none are needed for the 1.* versions of OpenSSL (well, except maybe 1, but that is the easy one).
Feb 17 17:25:04 <dkirker> I have a holiday tomorrow for work, so I am hoping to get a binary produced that I can then install and test with this week. We have an exchange setup through Google, so that should help me test the exchange bit. (That was one of the major patches for 0.9.8 that is something built in to 1.*).
Feb 17 17:25:47 <dkirker> So, I am confident that this will be fixable. :)
Feb 17 17:26:24 <bughi1980> that's a big thing
Feb 17 17:26:25 <Misj> great to hear
Feb 17 17:26:49 <bughi1980> and I wonder how many of the other custom patches to the system would be no more needed with updated packages
Feb 17 17:26:59 <Preemptive> dkirker: This all sounds good! Would you like any assistance? Is there code on the web anywhere?
Feb 17 17:28:20 <dkirker> I *should* be fine for now. I'll look into the stuff Herrie|Laptop has been doing when it comes time to produce a package.
Feb 17 17:29:01 <bughi1980> my comment is aimed to webkit... maybe the current one would be a 1 : 1 swap not requiring the customizations :P
Feb 17 17:29:26 <Preemptive> dkirker: OK, great! I know you are very busy with the day job, so we really appreciate the effort you've made on this.
Feb 17 17:30:00 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Ever the optimist! ;-)
Feb 17 17:30:54 <Preemptive> moving on...
Feb 17 17:31:14 <bughi1980> sometimes I am. this TSL shows that it can be an option
Feb 17 17:31:15 <bughi1980> :P
Feb 17 17:31:20 <Preemptive> 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Feb 17 17:31:26 <dkirker> Well, with OpenSSL being fixed, one would not need to use a proxy or a redirector that strips the https part. In theory, one shouldn't need to do individual cert downloads if they are using a more recent version of 0.9.8. Just maintain updated CA certs.
Feb 17 17:32:10 <Preemptive> Herrie|Laptop: I assume the updates here are what you already typed above...?
Feb 17 17:33:17 <bughi1980> I wonder if it would re activate the captive portals functionality
Feb 17 17:36:12 <dkirker> it should
Feb 17 17:37:44 <bughi1980> that's something I miss a lot... it's months it's not working ( over 8 ), to the point that in a case it also crashed the phone
Feb 17 17:38:11 <Preemptive> As bbito isn't here, I'm guessing the blocker for 4.2 remains makefiles, but at least the build tools and patch portal are in place, so perhaps we can look at this specific topic in detail later
Feb 17 17:38:26 <Herrie|Laptop> Preemptive: Yes
Feb 17 17:38:45 <Herrie|Laptop> Sorry half here, half cooking & cleaning & looking after 2 kids at the same time since Mrs is out
Feb 17 17:39:17 <bughi1980> uhm, are you turning into Khali ?
Feb 17 17:39:40 <Preemptive> Herrie|Laptop: OK. Yes, I'm picturing you with a child in one hand & half a dozen household task in the other! Typing with your toes? ;-)
Feb 17 17:40:14 <Preemptive> moving on...
Feb 17 17:40:15 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Feb 17 17:40:28 <bughi1980> no updates
Feb 17 17:40:40 <Misj> ah...yes...completely forgot about this... :|
Feb 17 17:40:54 <Preemptive> Misj: Same for you?
Feb 17 17:40:57 <Preemptive> OK
Feb 17 17:41:12 <bughi1980> 4.3.1 : lets hope that the GPS is kosher to the date, too
Feb 17 17:41:25 <Preemptive> Yes, that's later.
Feb 17 17:41:36 <Preemptive> 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Feb 17 17:41:47 <Preemptive> I think we've covered that nicely already!
Feb 17 17:41:55 <Preemptive> 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation* (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Feb 17 17:42:33 <Preemptive> I don't think there are any updates here, so unless anyone has anything, we can probably skip the whole section...
Feb 17 17:42:56 <bughi1980> works for me
Feb 17 17:43:16 <bughi1980> the only real update in this section is if some internal doc shows up
Feb 17 17:43:25 <bughi1980> thing that I doubt is going to happen
Feb 17 17:43:39 <Preemptive> Oh, right, I spotted this a while back: https://gitlab.com/gkrishnaks/WaybackEverywhere-Firefox
Feb 17 17:44:21 <Preemptive> This appears to be a Firefox plugin (also chrome I think) to check / save to the wayback machine
Feb 17 17:44:57 <Preemptive> I idly wondered if it could be used to 'auto-back up' useful webpages on webOS
Feb 17 17:46:00 <bughi1980> remember that wayback is not doing 100% copies, and is also dependant on the site settings to allow it to grab things
Feb 17 17:46:01 <Preemptive> But I'm not 100% sure of what it does. It sort of seems like it might put a lot of extra work onto archive.org (in general, not because of us)
Feb 17 17:46:45 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Yes, it doesn't do e.g. github - that already has version control as such.
Feb 17 17:47:22 <bughi1980> as for adding stress to archive.org, that's not an issue at all. you can fill a site you want to grab right there
Feb 17 17:47:33 <bughi1980> this just saves you from taking a few extra steps
Feb 17 17:48:12 <Preemptive> I was kind of thinking that we could publish a list of links (e.g. http://forums.webosnation.com/general-news-discussion/324932-webos-status-report.html ) and we could visit those pages on accasnio to ensure thare are copies..
Feb 17 17:48:16 <bughi1980> but at the same time it means people could start adding crap that otherwise would not have bothered to etc
Feb 17 17:49:16 <bughi1980> uhm.... but isn't archive.org taking a whole site ?
Feb 17 17:49:25 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Yes, but as I say, webOS documentation would be a comparative drop in the ocean compared to... maybe Facebook posts or something.
Feb 17 17:50:27 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Not sure... I think it the wayback machine and webpages specifically. Archive.org as a whole preserves a lot of other stuff.
Feb 17 17:51:06 <Preemptive> We can discuss more on the thread I guess...
Feb 17 17:51:20 <bughi1980> yep, but in this case is wayback, and normally that goes to a root, be it a blog or a site
Feb 17 17:51:47 <bughi1980> I'm not sure it's meant to archive just a specific page
Feb 17 17:52:33 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Maybe. I'll look into it futher.
Feb 17 17:52:41 <Preemptive> I will skip to 4.6 if there's nothing else relevant to documentation
Feb 17 17:53:17 <Preemptive> 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768
Feb 17 17:53:48 <Preemptive> There's nothing to report here, so I think that means I need to make another attempt at contact.
Feb 17 17:55:19 <Preemptive> Oh, I'm confusing this with 4.8!
Feb 17 17:55:53 <Preemptive> codepoet80 isn't here, so i will skip 4.7
Feb 17 17:56:05 <Preemptive> 4.8. webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html
Feb 17 17:58:51 <Preemptive> So as above, no response from Derek Kessler. This was a request for the app gallery to be fixed by Mobile Nations. Plan B was for the assets to be given to this group (i.e. all the apps). We don't really have a 'Plan for Plan B'.
Feb 17 18:00:41 <Preemptive> I guess the first option would be to place them all in Preware - assuming there was space available. This ignores the possibility that there is likely some kind of agreement between the original developers and WN, though the apps we free to download.
Feb 17 18:00:42 <bughi1980> plan C would be a sum of A plus B
Feb 17 18:01:28 <Preemptive> At the moment, Plan A would make Plan B unnecessary.
Feb 17 18:01:38 <bughi1980> not really... redundancy
Feb 17 18:01:56 <bughi1980> just in case someone somewhere press the delete button on the whole repository
Feb 17 18:02:13 <Preemptive> bughi1980: OK, I agree with you there! ;-)
Feb 17 18:05:48 <Preemptive> To get into it a bit, my view is that an app eco-system is important for a viable mobile OS. I put up a 'how long have we got?' poll recently and my view is 2-3 years at most. That's if we are able to patch the big issues and the H/W holds out on failing batteries.
Feb 17 18:06:34 <Preemptive> So in a sense, for legacy webOS, it's just a preservation exercise.
Feb 17 18:08:20 <Preemptive> For LuneOS (which is not the main focus of this group), I think a paid app catalogue is part of what will be needed, but where lagacy apps can run or be updated to run on LuneOS, that can only make the system more attractive.
Feb 17 18:09:41 <Misj> true, but 'outside investors' will require something like the PDK...
Feb 17 18:10:14 <Preemptive> Misj: Isn't that still available?
Feb 17 18:10:28 <Preemptive> Or does it need updates?
Feb 17 18:10:52 <Misj> for legacy...yes (with some difficulty I think), but the PDK was not opensourced, so it's not part of luneOS.
Feb 17 18:11:21 <Misj> as we result we cannot use compiled apps (programmed in C) on both
Feb 17 18:11:46 <Preemptive> Can any LuneOS developers comment? Would such a thing be important?
Feb 17 18:12:43 <nizovn> yes, it's impossible to run legacy compiled apps on LuneOS
Feb 17 18:12:44 <Preemptive> I know QT & PWAs should work without issue, but I guess a lot of games will use C.
Feb 17 18:14:35 <Preemptive> Is a PDK something that webOS-Ports plans to develop? Is it something this group could do (if that's even something we should consider)
Feb 17 18:14:54 <nizovn> there is webos PDK library implemented for maemo and one could use it to create the same for LuneOS, but old apps use SDL1, they won't run without much work
Feb 17 18:15:36 <nizovn> i think it's impractical
Feb 17 18:15:45 <Preemptive> Or perhaps specifically in terms of Legacy, should we consider updating the existing PDK?
Feb 17 18:17:24 <Preemptive> nizovn says it's impractical. I wonder if like Halium, there could be a common kit developed for all the 'other' mobile OSes?
Feb 17 18:17:46 <nizovn> well there is no sense to update webos PDK and there probably won't be new apps
Feb 17 18:18:02 <Misj> would Halium not allow us to use most android-apps?
Feb 17 18:18:03 <Preemptive> nizovn: True
Feb 17 18:18:09 <nizovn> LuneOS doesn't need PDK as common Qt apps just work
Feb 17 18:18:10 <Preemptive> Misj: No
Feb 17 18:18:27 <Preemptive> Misj: Anbox.io
Feb 17 18:18:37 <Preemptive> http://anbox.io
Feb 17 18:18:57 <Misj> oh...sorry...mixing up the two...
Feb 17 18:19:08 <nizovn> SDL2 apps are also supported in LuneOS
Feb 17 18:20:51 <Preemptive> nizovn: Oh, OK. So you are saying that apps written in C are not a problem for LuneOS, but it would be very difficult to update old PDK apps for LuneOS?
Feb 17 18:21:31 <nizovn> yes
Feb 17 18:22:59 <Preemptive> OK. So it seems that LuneOS should have access to a good selection of apps from other sources, but ironically, porting some legacy PDK apps will be difficult if not impractical.
Feb 17 18:23:23 <Preemptive> So all we need to worry about is the preservation bit for legacy.
Feb 17 18:26:38 <Preemptive> I think I will add this to the thread. There might be some value to updating the PDK or creating an emulator or something (I think the PDK contains one), but it's not an urgent consideration.
Feb 17 18:26:45 <Preemptive> moving on...
Feb 17 18:27:04 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Feb 17 18:28:30 <Preemptive> I'm inclined to skip to 5.2 as I don't think there's anything new for 5.1
Feb 17 18:28:45 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Feb 17 18:29:57 <Preemptive> 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594
Feb 17 18:31:26 <Preemptive> I don't think there's anything new here and one of the last comments from Herrie was that the SSL would need fixing, so if dkirker gets that done, we maight not need to worry too mucho r it will at least be a partial fix
Feb 17 18:33:16 <Preemptive> I'll move on if there are no comments...
Feb 17 18:34:32 <Preemptive> 5.2.2. Will current firmware support the GPS date rollover? https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html#post3455213
Feb 17 18:36:56 <Misj> first of all, this is of course only relevant for the phones. As the touchpad doesn't have a GPS chip
Feb 17 18:37:02 <elvispre> I guess people will just have to check. At least we know we have to do that now.
Feb 17 18:37:03 <Preemptive> As is often the case, legacy webOS seems to have been on the point of transition from old protocols to new. If it was up to date and forward looking, this might not be an issue, but if the issue was left until it became more urgent, it may never have been done. This means the inbuilt GPS will fail
Feb 17 18:37:50 <Preemptive> elvispre: Yes. This item is mainly here to ask if we can check in advance or if we just wait until April to see if it fails.
Feb 17 18:38:14 <Preemptive> The follow up is of course: If it fails, is it possible to fix it?
Feb 17 18:39:45 <Preemptive> Does any one have any idea where to look? Maybe a webOS doctor? And how will we check what bersion it is or is needed?
Feb 17 18:39:52 <Preemptive> *version
Feb 17 18:41:55 <Misj> well, the sites your referenced on webOSNation talked about a firmware update...
Feb 17 18:42:04 <bughi1980> exactly
Feb 17 18:42:33 <Preemptive> ...which i assume is possible in theory... or is it 'binary blobs' time?
Feb 17 18:42:39 <Misj> which would imply that we should first know which GPS chip from which manufacturer was used
Feb 17 18:42:56 <bughi1980> yep. or is included in the soc itself ?
Feb 17 18:43:01 <Preemptive> Misj: I expect we can discover that
Feb 17 18:43:27 <Misj> but it will be an old chip...so it's gonna be doubtful a firmware update by the vendor will be issued
Feb 17 18:44:16 <Preemptive> I suppose it would be a fairly mainstream manufacturer who might post updated code..? Or maybe you are right that it is too old.
Feb 17 18:44:18 <bughi1980> depends.. tomtom has updates out for its own devices
Feb 17 18:44:53 <bughi1980> so "old" chips are being fixed
Feb 17 18:44:54 <Preemptive> Well, we are guessing here, so let's follow up on the thread if we can and move on.
Feb 17 18:45:31 <Preemptive> 1. Discover the chipset. 2. See if updates are available.
Feb 17 18:45:40 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Feb 17 18:46:07 <Preemptive> I've not been keeping track of this. Are there any notable developments?
Feb 17 18:46:58 <elvispre> Well you can play audio through your BT headphones (from a RPi) now.
Feb 17 18:47:10 <elvispre> LG are still actively developing it.
Feb 17 18:47:11 <Preemptive> (I will be skipping 5.4)
Feb 17 18:47:50 <Misj> -- about the GPS. When looking at iFixit: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Palm+Pre+Teardown/809 -- it apears that the GPS chip is on the Qualcomm MSM6801A for at least the Pre (https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/JETypgW5syNWtFlg.large)
Feb 17 18:48:07 <Preemptive> elvispre: So coming soon too LuneOS! Though I thought a fair amount of work had already been done on Bluetooth
Feb 17 18:48:15 <Preemptive> Misj: OK!
Feb 17 18:49:36 <Preemptive> Misj: I guess it all helps, but we are probably using later devices here Pre2 and up?
Feb 17 18:50:18 <Preemptive> ...moving on...
Feb 17 18:50:29 <Preemptive> 5.5. Possible LuneOS testing protocol.
Feb 17 18:51:54 <Preemptive> This was previously discussed and generally thought to be a good idea, but we are holding back a bit to see if webOS Ports wants to take a lead on this or approve the idea. Given the slower pace of releases now, it's not urgent.
Feb 17 18:52:16 <Preemptive> ...so i will move on unless there are comments..
Feb 17 18:54:22 <Preemptive> 5.6. MMS issues. https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-veer/326014-t-mobile-settings-pls-help.html
Feb 17 18:55:37 <Preemptive> So... I doubt many of us bother with MMS, but there is apparently a bug with some services that cause the message to be present in the system, but ignored by the interface - so the user doesn't see it.
Feb 17 18:56:17 <Preemptive> dkirker was looking at it, but there are more important things on his plate.
Feb 17 18:56:55 <elvispre> Did it ever work? Did it break? Might be worth checking before anyone tries to fix it.
Feb 17 18:57:09 <Preemptive> Unless anyone has a comment, this is really here as a marker for possibly fixing this in the future.
Feb 17 18:58:03 <Preemptive> elvispre: It was always clunky. according to the thread it's a problem handling an exception in the protocols of certain carriers (e.g T-mobile)
Feb 17 18:58:32 <elvispre> OK
Feb 17 18:58:49 <Preemptive> An empty string cause the message to be ignored.
Feb 17 18:59:09 <Preemptive> (all I know is what others posted on the thread)
Feb 17 18:59:35 <Preemptive> Ok. moving on.
Feb 17 18:59:37 <Preemptive> 6. Priority Project.
Feb 17 18:59:45 <bughi1980> here in italy mms have never been popular, so never used one
Feb 17 19:00:31 <Preemptive> Sticking with TLS right? And I don't think we need to get into bumping a dormant project. I can list some for the next meeting...
Feb 17 19:01:05 <Preemptive> 7. Any other business.
Feb 17 19:01:11 <Preemptive> ???
Feb 17 19:03:01 <bughi1980> personally no
Feb 17 19:03:06 <Preemptive> 9. Date of next meeting.
Feb 17 19:03:24 <Preemptive> Sundays in March are the 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th, 31st
Feb 17 19:03:51 <Preemptive> The middle looks better for me, so... 17th again?
Feb 17 19:04:39 <elvispre> Suits me. (31st is "DST day" so that would confuse everybody :) )
Feb 17 19:04:53 <Misj> do we still do DST?
Feb 17 19:05:02 <Preemptive> Oh, right!
Feb 17 19:05:05 <Misj> I thought we all agreed by now that we should all have winter-time.
Feb 17 19:05:17 <Preemptive> Misj: 'We' do. Do you? ;-)
Feb 17 19:05:23 <elvispre> It's still in my calendar.
Feb 17 19:05:41 <Misj> (and that the Netherlands and Spain should have the same natural time as the UK)
Feb 17 19:05:46 <elvispre> See. It's confusing already.
Feb 17 19:06:22 <Preemptive> You're all really just trying to say yes to the 17th...
Feb 17 19:06:22 <Misj> let's go for the 17th...and no more summertime
Feb 17 19:06:30 <nizovn> ok for me
Feb 17 19:06:32 <Misj> (and that includes Will Smith' album)
Feb 17 19:06:37 <Preemptive> 1700GMT?
Feb 17 19:06:39 <Misj> ;)
Feb 17 19:08:08 <Preemptive> February 17th 2019 at 1700 GMT / UTC. Unless anyone objects...
Feb 17 19:08:15 <elvispre> March
Feb 17 19:08:24 <Preemptive> Sorry, March
Feb 17 19:08:42 <Preemptive> March 17th 2019 at 1700 GMT / UTC.
Feb 17 19:09:01 <Preemptive> There are no objections...
Feb 17 19:09:15 <Misj> I'll totally be here the 17th of February. (I love easy wins)
Feb 17 19:09:37 <Preemptive> OK. That's it for another month. Thanks to everybody who joined in and for the great work you're all doing
Feb 17 19:09:54 <elvispre> Bye!
Feb 17 19:10:00 <Preemptive> I'll update some of the threads.
Feb 17 19:10:11 <nizovn> bye!
Feb 17 19:10:32 <Preemptive> It's good that the important projects are seeing some progress.
Feb 17 19:10:44 <Preemptive> elvispre: Bye!
Feb 17 19:10:51 <Preemptive> nizovn: Bye!
Feb 17 19:11:06 <Misj> bye
Feb 17 19:11:13 <bughi1980> bye :)
Feb 17 19:11:32 <Preemptive> Misj: Bye
Feb 17 19:11:58 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Bye! see you on the forums!
Feb 17 19:12:28 <bughi1980> likewise. or here on irc (I'm online daily)
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