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Nov 10 17:01:31 <Preemptive> Morning!
Nov 10 17:01:38 <nizovn> morning
Nov 10 17:01:57 <Preemptive> I just got in. Please give me a minute or two...
Nov 10 17:02:09 <Preemptive> nizovn: Hi!
Nov 10 17:02:47 <Misj> Hay. Mostly observing today...little in the background
Nov 10 17:04:02 <Preemptive> Oh! I did actually do an agenda!
Nov 10 17:06:09 <Preemptive> OK. Ready to start...
Nov 10 17:06:11 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Nov 10 17:07:02 <Preemptive> ...if you are new, give us a quick webOS-based bio or just say hello!
Nov 10 17:08:42 <Preemptive> 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
Nov 10 17:09:14 <Preemptive> I assume we are skipping to reports.
Nov 10 17:09:17 <Preemptive> 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
Nov 10 17:09:33 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Nov 10 17:09:48 <Preemptive> 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
Nov 10 17:10:22 <Preemptive> Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html
Nov 10 17:10:47 <Preemptive> dkirker does not seem to be present. I'll try bumping the thread later.
Nov 10 17:11:20 <Preemptive> 4.1.2 Priority Project: Squid SSL Bump. (Nizovn) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/332506-squid-ssl-bump.html
Nov 10 17:11:29 <Preemptive> nizovn: Any changes /updates?
Nov 10 17:11:42 <nizovn> hm, no
Nov 10 17:12:07 <Preemptive> OK! Moving on...
Nov 10 17:12:35 <Preemptive> 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Nov 10 17:13:43 <Preemptive> I'm going to assume no progress... My Pre3 has died. This would be really good if by some miracle I get it going again. Or if I can get the Pre2 in shape to go back to that.
Nov 10 17:14:16 <nizovn> that's sad...
Nov 10 17:15:08 <Preemptive> Yes, it was seeming indestructible and it's death was sudden and unexpected..!
Nov 10 17:15:24 <pcworld> don't the meta doctors work? I just recently used it
Nov 10 17:15:48 <Preemptive> Sorry, here is the agenda link: https://forums.webosnation.com/images/buttons/report-40b.png
Nov 10 17:16:15 <Preemptive> Or not... Correct link is: https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-events/331758-webos-user-s-online-meet-up-10.html#post3456187
Nov 10 17:18:43 <Preemptive> pcworld: Hi! Er no, by dead I mean like power system failure - or at least it's a brick. If you mean does meta-doctoring work, then yes it does, but we are hoping bbito can put a recipe (makefile) together for a Meta-doctor that installs all recent vital patches to make the devices usable 'out-of-the-box'
Nov 10 17:19:03 <pcworld> ah ok.
Nov 10 17:19:16 <pcworld> and hi
Nov 10 17:19:49 <Preemptive> So if anyone gets and old webOS device or simply needs to reset, it's a single trip to the doctor to be ready to go.
Nov 10 17:20:37 <Preemptive> Anyone who can spare a little time to help bbito with makefiles would be very welcome.
Nov 10 17:21:16 <Preemptive> The current state of things and recommended inclusions are on the thread.
Nov 10 17:21:36 <Preemptive> moving on...
Nov 10 17:21:52 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Nov 10 17:22:37 <Preemptive> Misj: Anything happening here?
Nov 10 17:23:21 <Misj> have been a little off-programming in my free-time lately. So I really haven't gotten into looking into things.
Nov 10 17:25:12 <Misj> (it's what happens when you have to code all day at work...can't really get myself to continue at home at the moment.)
Nov 10 17:28:35 <Preemptive> Misj: I think the options were: 1. Plugin system (LuneOS has 2 options), 2. Fake a call from the Googlemaps website (I think it was decided it wouldn't work), 3. Create a Mozilla service, but spoof it so that it looks like the original google service to webOS. I think there might be code to use per app, but it's impractical. A lower level system fix solves the problem for all existing apps.
Nov 10 17:29:26 <Preemptive> But I'm quoting my own ignorant self here: https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable-3.html#post3455891
Nov 10 17:30:00 <Preemptive> Misj: I understand you might not want to spend any more time staring at a screen.
Nov 10 17:30:07 <Preemptive> moving on...
Nov 10 17:30:43 <Preemptive> 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Nov 10 17:31:37 <Preemptive> I don't think the automation is fixed, but patches can be manually added to the feed and the is a listing page on the forum.
Nov 10 17:31:53 <Preemptive> *the -> there
Nov 10 17:32:47 <Preemptive> I'm going to skip documetnation (4.5) as I don't think there is anything new here.
Nov 10 17:33:21 <Preemptive> 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768
Nov 10 17:33:28 <Misj> nope :)
Nov 10 17:34:20 <Preemptive> There is nothing new here. I still need to put some rough proposal together and see if other OSS phone projects would be interested in a joint / communal app store.
Nov 10 17:35:03 <Preemptive> 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive) https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html
Nov 10 17:37:38 <Preemptive> I think it's possible to retrieve the IPKs, but dev access and admin remains broken and I think that though there is no rush, we have reached the point where we request the content from WN with a view to rehosting as an when we have a new app catalogue. This should also support LuneOS - especially if it can be used for other projects.
Nov 10 17:38:24 <Preemptive> 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others) https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344
Nov 10 17:38:56 <Preemptive> I did spot a couple of additions to the testing list on the web
Nov 10 17:40:04 <Preemptive> ...OS Ports wiki. I added them to the list on the forum thread, so there are currently the same and anyone can use that list to test their device's installation of LuneOS
Nov 10 17:40:33 <Preemptive> *there -> they
Nov 10 17:40:56 <Preemptive> 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
Nov 10 17:41:32 <Preemptive> Both devs are present! Anything here or...? I think we are all having a slow month!
Nov 10 17:41:59 <pcworld> Not from my side. I think nizovn wanted to integrate it somehow.
Nov 10 17:42:45 <nizovn> i have no progress...
Nov 10 17:42:49 <Preemptive> nizovn: I guess you've been more focused on LuneOS / OSE..?
Nov 10 17:42:54 <Preemptive> Ok
Nov 10 17:43:01 <pcworld> (Further my Pre3 reset itself a while ago, lost all data + apps, and I haven't yet bothered to set up everything again.)
Nov 10 17:44:02 <Preemptive> pcworld: I assume you have backups - I have most things I think if you need anything...
Nov 10 17:44:08 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Nov 10 17:44:40 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Nov 10 17:45:56 <Preemptive> I did look at this a while backk and was surprised as I thought there were more options than I saw listed. I shall have another search and try to set up some testing - probably a bit late for my Pre3! ;-(
Nov 10 17:46:18 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Nov 10 17:46:29 <Preemptive> I'm unaware of any new ones...
Nov 10 17:47:16 <Preemptive> 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update? https://forums.webosnation.com/open-webos-general-discussion/332302-vpn-hp-webos.html#post3454594
Nov 10 17:48:45 <Preemptive> Now that we have Nizovn's SSL work around, this can be looked into. I think the issue is supported updated services with the old app, but I have no idea how this stuff works. I guessing it's simply a secure connection to the VPN provider's servers.
Nov 10 17:49:18 <Preemptive> 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Nov 10 17:50:09 <Preemptive> I don't know if there's anything new since last month. I think Herrie included some things in the latest LuneOS relaese announcement.
Nov 10 17:51:02 <nizovn> yes, he mentioned new 2.0.0 release
Nov 10 17:51:46 <Preemptive> Which brings us to...
Nov 10 17:51:49 <Preemptive> 5.4. Possible LuneOS "radar".
Nov 10 17:52:45 <Preemptive> This is simply tracking the project with a view to transition - probably around the time it enters 'beta' status.
Nov 10 17:54:16 <Preemptive> I might have time later to try the new release on my N4. It would be great if it is usable (in case anyone missed it, my Pre3 is dead!), but I suspect it's still not quite there yet.
Nov 10 17:55:11 <Preemptive> I was wondering if anyone had a view on what would be the best device to acquire - perhaps to trial the next release?
Nov 10 17:56:06 <Preemptive> I think this project would simply notify the general community on how usable LuneOS is and recommend a device or two for those who want to try.
Nov 10 17:57:10 <Preemptive> I know the Xiaomi A1 is a common dev device, but phone services aren't yet working.
Nov 10 17:57:27 <Preemptive> Nexus5? (hammerhead)
Nov 10 17:58:56 <nizovn> i don't know. but certainly beta status is far away
Nov 10 17:59:48 <Preemptive> OK.
Nov 10 18:00:31 <Preemptive> Hopefully I'll have a bit of time to try it myself later.
Nov 10 18:00:49 <Preemptive> That's about it!
Nov 10 18:00:58 <Preemptive> 6. Priority Project Selection.
Nov 10 18:01:06 <Preemptive> Any changes here?
Nov 10 18:01:51 <Preemptive> nizovn: Do you still want the SSL Bump to be here or do you think it's complete?
Nov 10 18:01:51 <nizovn> what do we expect from it?
Nov 10 18:03:06 <Preemptive> nizovn: From LuneOS, or the SSL bump?
Nov 10 18:03:15 <nizovn> ssl bump
Nov 10 18:03:58 <nizovn> if there are no wishes i think we can change priority
Nov 10 18:05:33 <Preemptive> I think it seems to work as intended and you are the only person doing it, so if you are happy that it is completed or as finished as necessary, then I agree that it no longer needs to be a priority.
Nov 10 18:06:23 <Preemptive> I think dkirker's project should remain in the hope he makes progress or abandons the effort.
Nov 10 18:06:44 <nizovn> ok
Nov 10 18:08:25 <nizovn> i'm just not sure if it has issues as i use it only for preware feeds; switched to qt browsers for daily use
Nov 10 18:08:53 <Preemptive> I don't think it's just my recent experience that leads me to believe that it's the 'final straight of the race' for legacy devices. We can't say how much longer they will all last - it could still be years, but I think we are likely reaching the end of fixes.
Nov 10 18:09:46 <Preemptive> nizovn: Your efforts have got us to a point where we can still use these things, but I doubt even you will think it worth putting in much more time.
Nov 10 18:10:40 <nizovn> well i like them more than today phones
Nov 10 18:11:38 <Preemptive> nizovn: Yes, me too. We can hope that one of the new hardware projects will be something similar that can run LuneOS.
Nov 10 18:12:09 <nizovn> would be good
Nov 10 18:13:55 <Preemptive> For the log, this is the thread where most new potential H/W is posted: https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332415-luneos-hardware.html
Nov 10 18:14:23 <pcworld> if only they weren't so slow. Palm really made a mistake putting so little RAM into the devices
Nov 10 18:16:07 <Preemptive> pcworld: Yes. I suspect the Pre2 was the highlight in some ways.
Nov 10 18:16:38 <pcworld> OT: Preemptive: I hadn't made a backup of my data (notes etc.) unfortunately. And will need to find all the ipks, patches I installed (openssl and whatever), setup email (if that even still works) etc. I hadn't doctored the Pre3 in maybe 5 years
Nov 10 18:17:30 <Preemptive> I'm hoping mine will work properly if I doctor it, but I did it once before soon after I got it and it took about 10 attempts to debrick it!
Nov 10 18:18:05 <pcworld> OT: In the meantime I switched to the Pre2 for basic tasks. But it randomly reboots and the keyboard feels quite bad (need to press hard). Not sure if the keyboard got worse over time or if I just got used to the Pre3's too much.
Nov 10 18:19:01 <Preemptive> pcworld: OK. I think most patches can be obtained and in fact most apps, but let me know. I have the data transfer thing that could install old contacts and stuff.
Nov 10 18:19:47 <pcworld> data transfer thing?
Nov 10 18:20:58 <Preemptive> pcworld: Yes, mine doesn't reboot, but keeps lighting up as if something (e.g. incoming call) is going to happen - but nothing! it eats the battery. Could just be a dodgy app / patch or other system thing a doctor could fix or it might be HW.
Nov 10 18:24:58 <Preemptive> pcworld: Can find it now! I think they called it the data 'butler' it could put your PalmOS stuff into webOS and also maybe vcs / ical stuff.
Nov 10 18:27:26 <Preemptive> Found it: Data Transfer Assistant. It appears to be a MSwindows .exe
Nov 10 18:27:48 <pcworld> ok thanks.
Nov 10 18:27:56 <pcworld> Need to leave now, have a nice day
Nov 10 18:28:32 <Preemptive> pcworld: OK. Maybe see you next month.
Nov 10 18:28:57 <Preemptive> 8. Date of next meeting.
Nov 10 18:29:13 <Preemptive> Sundays in December: 1, 8, 15, 22, 29
Nov 10 18:29:41 <Misj> no preferences
Nov 10 18:30:26 <nizovn> same for me
Nov 10 18:30:34 <Preemptive> nor me.
Nov 10 18:31:16 <Preemptive> I'm wondering if we should go for the 29th as a kind of end of year thing, but maybe it's too close to the holiday?
Nov 10 18:31:39 <Preemptive> 22nd is probably a bad idea
Nov 10 18:33:54 <Preemptive> I think we can assume that not much will happen and wrap up 2019 on the 8th. 15th is nearest the usual mid-point or we set ourselves a little challenge and a bit more time to see if we can do anything significanr by the 29th - if people are likely to be available. Any thoughts?
Nov 10 18:34:15 <Preemptive> *significant
Nov 10 18:37:22 <Preemptive> I'll be optimistic and say we can get something done, so forget the 8th. 15th or 29th - Somebody pick one! ;-)
Nov 10 18:37:29 <nizovn> not sure, the choice is hard when all alternatives almost equal
Nov 10 18:37:34 <Preemptive> lol
Nov 10 18:37:53 <Preemptive> nizovn: Flip a coin.
Nov 10 18:37:58 <nizovn> 29
Nov 10 18:38:34 <Preemptive> OK. 29th December 2019! Sticking at 1700GMT if no one objects.
Nov 10 18:38:35 <nizovn> i'm not insisting :)
Nov 10 18:39:17 <Preemptive> It's too late! The great Nizovn has spoken and we must OBEY! ;-)
Nov 10 18:39:30 <nizovn> :)
Nov 10 18:42:13 <Preemptive> OK thanks everybody. This is probably the meeting where the least happened, but I'll try to at least bump the threads of the projects that aren't doing much and investigate what I can on possible app stores and other things. I'll need to make efforts on back ups anyway... ;-)
Nov 10 18:42:35 <Preemptive> Thanks for coming!
Nov 10 18:42:53 <nizovn> bye!
Nov 10 18:43:02 <Preemptive> nizovn: Bye!
Nov 10 18:43:09 <Preemptive> Misj: Bye!
Nov 10 18:43:18 <Preemptive> pcworld: Bye!
Nov 10 19:28:50 <Herrie|2> Sorry I was out with some unexpected guests.. so couldn't join today
Nov 10 19:29:21 <Preemptive> Herrie|2: No worries - you missed nothing. ;-)
Nov 10 19:29:49 <Preemptive> Herrie|2: The next one is on the 29th
Nov 10 19:29:59 <Herrie|2> Ok
Nov 10 19:34:27 <bughi1980> oh damn
Nov 10 19:34:30 <bughi1980> was today ? :S
Nov 10 19:34:33 <bughi1980> sigh
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