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Apr 18 18:03:15 <Preemptive> Morning
Apr 18 18:04:52 <nizovn> morning
Apr 18 18:08:33 <Preemptive> nizovn: Hello! I'm not sure who else is here (I suspect just you & me!) So this will probably be another quick one!
Apr 18 18:09:04 <Preemptive> 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
Apr 18 18:09:16 <Preemptive> If you've been lurking, speak now
Apr 18 18:11:07 <Preemptive> Skipping to...
Apr 18 18:11:08 <Preemptive> 4. Progress reports.
Apr 18 18:11:20 <Preemptive> 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
Apr 18 18:11:52 <Preemptive> 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2.  (dkirker) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-discussion-lounge/332279-end-support-tls-1-0-1-1-problem.html
Apr 18 18:12:02 <Preemptive> dkirker is not listed as present
Apr 18 18:12:36 <Preemptive> 4.1.2. Squid Bump Service for retro device users https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/332704-new-option-accessing-modern-web-squid-bump-service-retro-device-users.html#post3457136
Apr 18 18:13:35 <Preemptive> codepoet is also not listed
Apr 18 18:14:34 <Preemptive> Using the webOS Archive Proxy - webOS Documentation (codepoet80) http://www.webosarchive.com/docs/proxysetup/
Apr 18 18:15:04 <Preemptive> As above...
Apr 18 18:15:19 <Herrie> I'm here more or less, but children bedtime in a minute
Apr 18 18:15:43 <Preemptive> Herrie: Hi! Just in time!
Apr 18 18:15:45 <Preemptive> 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/331796-webos-internals-meta-doctor-2017-a.html#post3451411
Apr 18 18:16:03 <Herrie> No updates from my side in general... Been a bit hectic here with daily life things
Apr 18 18:16:42 <Preemptive> Herrie: Only with good things I hope.
Apr 18 18:16:53 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Are you present?
Apr 18 18:17:43 <Herrie> Preemptive: Time will tell ;)
Apr 18 18:18:48 <Preemptive> 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia) https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/330935-bing-google-maps-location-unavailable.html
Apr 18 18:19:52 <Preemptive> Herrie: It's not a "No." I'll take it! ;-)
Apr 18 18:19:54 <Preemptive> 4.4. Manual management of the webos internals patch feed. (novaldex, Herrie) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/326893-webosinternals-patch-portal-down.html#post3450982
Apr 18 18:20:19 <Herrie> No updates there really
Apr 18 18:20:42 <Herrie> Legacy stuff gets snowed under LuneOS stuff when I finally find some time it seems
Apr 18 18:20:42 <Preemptive> 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections) http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/331800-documentation-management-thread-webos-user-group.html
Apr 18 18:22:04 <Preemptive> Herrie: It's a shame he's not been here for a while as codepoet80 seems to be doing a lot on the forums. Though to be honest, I wonder if he might be better of joining webOS ports
Apr 18 18:22:18 <Preemptive> 4.5.1. Documentation policy.
Apr 18 18:22:36 <Preemptive> 4.5.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo.  (Misj) http://www.banneret.nl/webos/documentation/
Apr 18 18:23:04 <Herrie> Yeah he's been really busy
Apr 18 18:23:19 <Preemptive> 4.5.3. web OS Archive (codepoet80) http://www.webosarchive.com/docs/
Apr 18 18:23:42 <Preemptive> Even running a film night!
Apr 18 18:24:09 <Preemptive> 4.5.4. On device Help System. https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-tips-info-resources/332507-fixing-device-help-system.html
Apr 18 18:24:42 <Preemptive> 4.5.5. Old domains associated with webOS. (Preemptive)
Apr 18 18:25:41 <Preemptive> I still need to transfer a domain! I'm not even sure which one! Maybe it was webOS center or something
Apr 18 18:26:02 <Preemptive> I'll look it up & email you
Apr 18 18:26:30 <Preemptive> 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-apps-games/329621-making-another-app-store.html#post3453768
Apr 18 18:28:08 <Preemptive> I think webOS OSE must have an app store. codepoet80's been doing things with the museum - which can act like an app store. And of course there's Preware2. I'm sure something can be done here.
Apr 18 18:28:34 <Preemptive> 4.6.1 webOS App Museum II should go under here as an actual project. (codepoet80) https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/332697-refurbishing-app-museum.html
Apr 18 18:28:51 <Preemptive> 4.6.2 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access https://forums.webosnation.com/webosnation-com-site-news-feedback-help/332000-app-gallery-issue-reporting-thread.html
Apr 18 18:29:10 <Preemptive> I don't think anything's changed here - it's stable at least.
Apr 18 18:30:52 <Preemptive> 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others) https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332396-luneos-testing-protocol.html#post3455344
Apr 18 18:31:18 <Preemptive> No updates from webOS Ports or suggestions from the forum
Apr 18 18:31:43 <Preemptive> 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
Apr 18 18:31:59 <nizovn> no update
Apr 18 18:32:10 <mallory> (wow, it's been a month already? hi again, though I don't think I will ever work on this again ;) )
Apr 18 18:32:55 <nizovn> time flies indeed :)
Apr 18 18:33:04 <Preemptive> It does...
Apr 18 18:33:28 <Preemptive> Perhaps we need to pick one project to focus on...?
Apr 18 18:33:57 <Preemptive> 5. Discussion of other items.
Apr 18 18:34:04 <Preemptive> 5.1. Device back up options http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/331801-options-automated-device-backup-webos-user-group.html#post3451423
Apr 18 18:34:35 <Preemptive> I'm going to do a quick agenda edit..
Apr 18 18:34:44 <Preemptive> 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes https://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/331974-vulnerabilities-fixes-legacy-webos.html
Apr 18 18:35:29 <Preemptive> 5.3. Running 32bit java apps on 64bit systems. Whether it's possible to translate existing apps or the need to emulate a 32bit system... https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/332707-getting-touchpad-running-macos-catalina.html
Apr 18 18:35:37 <Preemptive> We have an update!
Apr 18 18:36:32 <Preemptive> ...Oh wait, that was last year! ;-)
Apr 18 18:37:16 <Preemptive> Anyway, some compiled novacom for 64bit
Apr 18 18:37:39 <Preemptive> ^ *SomeONE
Apr 18 18:38:07 <Preemptive> 5.4. LG's webOS Open Source Edition http://forum.webosose.org/
Apr 18 18:38:42 <Preemptive> We DO have and update from the 2nd on OSE!
Apr 18 18:38:51 <Preemptive> https://www.webosose.org/about/release-notes/webos-ose-2-10-0-release-notes/
Apr 18 18:39:45 <Preemptive> I get the impression they are now more clearly targeting automotive. I don't know if that has implications for LuneOS
Apr 18 18:41:11 <Preemptive> I notice there is also a link in the forum to a 'satisfaction' survey. This opened on the 15th and will close on May 6th.
Apr 18 18:41:50 <Preemptive> I guess there would be no harm and possibly some good in developers from this community filling it out.
Apr 18 18:42:40 <Preemptive> It actually seems fairly general.
Apr 18 18:43:00 <Preemptive> mallory: Hi there, by the way!
Apr 18 18:43:19 <Preemptive> Shuswap: Hello to you to.
Apr 18 18:43:26 <mallory> :)
Apr 18 18:44:24 <Preemptive> Thank you for taking the webOS OSE Satisfaction Survey. This survey is intended to give our team guidance to improve users' experience on webOS OSE. The survey should take less than 5 minutes to complete. All information from this survey will be kept completely anonymous.
Apr 18 18:44:26 <Shuswap> Hey everyone! I was just searching for some kind of log ...
Apr 18 18:45:17 <Preemptive> Of this meeting? http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos.txt
Apr 18 18:45:40 <Shuswap> I get a 404 on all the logs right now.
Apr 18 18:46:09 <Shuswap> and sorry for the interruption. Carry on. I'll catch up.
Apr 18 18:46:41 <Herrie> logs work here
Apr 18 18:46:48 <Preemptive> Shuswap: I'm not having your problem either
Apr 18 18:47:05 <Preemptive> index page: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/
Apr 18 18:47:43 <Preemptive> 5.5. LuneOS Radar.
Apr 18 18:48:00 <Preemptive> Herrie: Any news?
Apr 18 18:49:20 <Herrie> Nothing really
Apr 18 18:49:41 <Preemptive> OK
Apr 18 18:49:51 <Preemptive> 6. Priority Project Selection.
Apr 18 18:50:10 <Herrie> We're finishing up migration to Android 9 for remaining targets
Apr 18 18:50:19 <Herrie> Afterwards a release I Suspect
Apr 18 18:50:51 <Preemptive> Oh, good progress then.
Apr 18 18:51:05 <Herrie> Yeah Touchpad is starting to look in good shape
Apr 18 18:51:09 <Herrie> Just audio has issues still mainly
Apr 18 18:51:15 <Herrie> Then mako is remaining
Apr 18 18:54:28 <Preemptive> So on item 6, the current priority project is 4.1.1 Upgrading TLS to 1.2. dkirker has not been around for a while and I don't think published any code. I wonder if we should pick a project that might happen with those who usually appear here and put a bit of emphasis on it.
Apr 18 18:54:43 <Preemptive> Any suggestions? Or should we leave things as they are?
Apr 18 18:57:15 <Preemptive> Increasingly, I'm thinking anything that can work across legacy & LuneOS is a good choice. Pretty much what happens under this user group banner is keeping legacy functional and archiving.
Apr 18 18:58:20 <Shuswap> Yes. I like the work that's been done to create non-TLS options for services that don't really need the security.
Apr 18 19:01:15 <Shuswap> Just a bit of news: there's a search engine at frogfind.com that mobilizes sites in the manner of the old Google Web Light. I've set up a link to use as a prefix if you just want to add it to your bookmarks: http://darkstar.x10host.com/mobilizer/read.php/?a=  It could also be added into Misj's legacy browser patch for the Touchpad.
Apr 18 19:02:04 <Preemptive> Shuswap: Interesting. Thanks.
Apr 18 19:02:09 <Shuswap> Sorry -- to explain, regarding the link: I forked the mobilizing code out of the search engine.
Apr 18 19:02:32 <Preemptive> So you are frog find?
Apr 18 19:03:19 <Shuswap> No. Action Retro created FrogFind and 68k.news. I just took some of his code and added in a few tweaks so that it works as a good mobilizer prefix for the Pre3.
Apr 18 19:03:27 <Preemptive> Oh right, you forked frogfind's code to self-host...?
Apr 18 19:03:42 <Shuswap> Yes
Apr 18 19:03:52 <Shuswap> Here's his github page: https://github.com/ActionRetro
Apr 18 19:04:16 <Shuswap> And here's mine: https://github.com/Shuswap
Apr 18 19:04:29 <Shuswap> So anyone who wants to play around with that code can have at it. :)
Apr 18 19:04:44 <Preemptive> Thanks. Id this something you want to make a project here or id it already complete?
Apr 18 19:04:49 <Preemptive> *Is
Apr 18 19:05:30 <Shuswap> It's complete on my end. But like I said, it could be used to patch Misj's legacy browser patch for the touchpad.
Apr 18 19:05:58 <Shuswap> It does not work on all sites though. It uses Mozilla's readability (reader mode) to do the rendering of pages.
Apr 18 19:07:11 <Shuswap> Perhaps I should have waited for 6. Any other business.
Apr 18 19:08:05 <Preemptive> It doesn't really matter. It's actually 7 and is next!
Apr 18 19:08:10 <Preemptive> 7. Any other business.
Apr 18 19:08:41 <Preemptive> I take it we just covered everything under this, unless anyone has anything else?
Apr 18 19:10:44 <Preemptive> 8. Date of next meeting.
Apr 18 19:11:36 <Preemptive> Sundays in May are: 2, 9, 16, 23, 30
Apr 18 19:13:48 <nizovn> any is ok for me
Apr 18 19:14:16 <Shuswap> Me too, though given my attendance, I wouldn't presume to weigh in on the date.
Apr 18 19:14:24 <Preemptive> If there's no preference, I'd say the 16th is the nearest to 1 month away, but I see the 23rd is three day before a luna eclipse! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2021_lunar_eclipse
Apr 18 19:14:51 <Preemptive> (can only see it in the Americas though!)
Apr 18 19:14:57 <Preemptive> So 16th?
Apr 18 19:15:34 <Preemptive> 16th May 2021 1700 GMT
Apr 18 19:15:43 <nizovn> ok
Apr 18 19:17:02 <Preemptive> Thanks for coming everyone! I'll stay on the channel until bughi1980 shows up to apologise for being late! ;))
Apr 18 19:17:41 <Shuswap> Thanks Preemptive!
Apr 18 19:24:31 <bughi1980> hiii
Apr 18 19:24:43 <Preemptive> bughi1980: How are you dong
Apr 18 19:24:45 <bughi1980> erm erm rm
Apr 18 19:24:47 <Preemptive> *doing
Apr 18 19:24:52 <bughi1980> meh meh meh so so so
Apr 18 19:25:13 <bughi1980> managed the first dose for my mother yesterday
Apr 18 19:25:15 <Preemptive> bughi1980: You didn't miss much
Apr 18 19:25:20 <bughi1980> ah
Apr 18 19:25:36 <Preemptive> bughi1980: You mean the vaccine?
Apr 18 19:25:40 <bughi1980> yup
Apr 18 19:25:49 <bughi1980> here things are not that quick
Apr 18 19:26:04 <Preemptive> I got 1st jab AZ. No blood clots... yet!
Apr 18 19:26:17 <bughi1980> she got AZ too
Apr 18 19:27:11 <Preemptive> We can go out for drinks, but it has to be 'out' - outside.
Apr 18 19:27:31 <bughi1980> here they will do the same from the 26th
Apr 18 19:27:43 <bughi1980> only outside, restaurants included
Apr 18 19:28:03 <bughi1980> and they're going to keep the 22:00 as limit to be home
Apr 18 19:28:27 <Preemptive> Yes, I have a booking for 25th I think
Apr 18 19:29:06 <Preemptive> ...which reminds me to note down the 16th as the next meeting.
Apr 18 19:29:31 <bughi1980> eheh
Apr 18 19:29:44 <Preemptive> bughi1980: Any webOS news from you?
Apr 18 19:29:52 <bughi1980> sadly no
Apr 18 19:32:55 <Preemptive> bughi1980: What working devices do you have now?
Apr 18 19:33:18 <bughi1980> well, the usual pre3 and go
Apr 18 19:33:53 <bughi1980> the pre3 battery is relatively stable now that I reverted to the original one, even if it's not in top shape
Apr 18 19:34:07 <bughi1980> I've never managed to get hold of sumi to get a spare
Apr 18 19:34:50 <Preemptive> My Pre3 died a sudden death ages ago. I suppose it could have been the replacement battery, but no way to tell
Apr 18 19:35:09 <Preemptive> It's an actual brick
Apr 18 19:35:12 <bughi1980> as for the go, it self rebooted today after a long time being on
Apr 18 19:35:19 <bughi1980> oh
Apr 18 19:35:32 <bughi1980> you didn't keep the old battery ?
Apr 18 19:36:18 <Preemptive> Yes, but that's not it.
Apr 18 19:36:23 <bughi1980> ah
Apr 18 19:36:37 <bughi1980> mmm no sign on command line, too ?
Apr 18 19:37:12 <Preemptive> I suppose I could check charge levels and plug it in to check if the charge circuit is working. No command line - it's dead. no lights
Apr 18 19:38:06 <Preemptive> I think the computer can detect something if i plug it in, but not as a Pre3.
Apr 18 19:38:22 <bughi1980> ok.. try with novainstaller
Apr 18 19:40:06 <Preemptive> OK, I'll look into that. I did start a thread somewhere, but if it's even possible to recover, it might be too much for me! ;-)
Apr 18 19:41:41 <bughi1980> it's just an idea. I think that as device, is way more longlasting than current phones
Apr 18 19:42:09 <bughi1980> and is a bit more harder to actually brick it
Apr 18 19:43:06 <Preemptive> Yes, this is what makes me worry that is is HW or maybe a power surge from the battery.
Apr 18 19:44:52 <bughi1980> I think it's unlikely. the main issue is the A6 chip
Apr 18 19:45:27 <bughi1980> but the battery cannot kill it.. it can just mess with it, like on a touchpad
Apr 18 19:45:39 <Preemptive> Is that the charge chip? Interesting as I have a meter so can probably check if it's charging
Apr 18 19:45:40 <bughi1980> and on this note, maybe on your pre3 the issue is similar
Apr 18 19:46:04 <bughi1980> yep
Apr 18 19:46:28 <bughi1980> the phone charges at 1A I think
Apr 18 19:46:47 <bughi1980> maybe try to charge at 0.5 or less
Apr 18 19:48:24 <Preemptive> Thanks for the tips. I've got to get dinner now, but I'll see you on the forums or next month. Hopefully you will have had your jab by then!
Apr 18 20:26:39 <bughi1980> me and next month ? I doubt
Apr 18 20:27:09 <bughi1980> I'll be very lucky if my age bracket opens by the end of may
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