**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 17 02:59:57 2011 Jul 17 03:01:50 works Jul 17 03:02:10 now to mod things and see if I get what I want out of it. Jul 17 03:04:23 Hmm - looks like I need to make this a headless app too, so that Xecutah can see it Jul 17 03:26:45 so what location does this natty chroot install to? Jul 17 03:27:52 /media/ext3fs/ubuntu-natty-chroot Jul 17 03:28:10 cool, and I am assuming it is gui free? Jul 17 03:28:38 well..xterm isn't playing nice Jul 17 03:28:45 it is dying Jul 17 03:29:16 oops Jul 17 03:30:49 rwhitby, I am assuming this is the chroot rootfs that I passed to you the other day with the upstart fixes in place? Jul 17 03:31:27 nope Jul 17 03:31:59 ahh, so you built a different one? Jul 17 03:32:13 it's built via the rules in the Makefile Jul 17 03:32:30 rwhitby, it appears as if that can't be brought up a second time Jul 17 03:32:42 the x-server flashes and the xterm fails to start. Jul 17 03:32:46 ka6sox-farfarawa: I was able to start two xterms running ubuntu Jul 17 03:32:57 start then stop Jul 17 03:33:02 then run a second time Jul 17 03:34:15 so what we need an an upstart script that will take an env variable of a chroot name... and then it will set up and tear down a chroot Jul 17 03:34:22 root@webos-device:/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot/upstart# ./org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot Jul 17 03:34:37 but since a chroot doesn't have anything that just runs when it is up... we may need two... one for setup and one for teardown Jul 17 03:34:48 or have it check the mounts and have some logic in there Jul 17 03:34:58 cryptk, the script handles it all Jul 17 03:34:58 ahh Jul 17 03:35:00 1 script Jul 17 03:35:01 cool Jul 17 03:35:09 what is it about what about the jails piss of pty access Jul 17 03:35:12 you guys beat me to it Jul 17 03:35:18 he did Jul 17 03:35:21 I'm just testing Jul 17 03:35:33 i mount -o bind /dev to my apps jail dev Jul 17 03:35:35 I can't use xecutah on it as the version I have isn't headless Jul 17 03:35:38 so I should have everything in /dev Jul 17 03:35:45 PuffTheMagic, nope Jul 17 03:35:55 you only get what they give you Jul 17 03:36:37 there is really no way around this on 3.x? Jul 17 03:36:59 none that I know of. that's why xecutah exists. Jul 17 03:37:35 so if i rm -rf /var/palm/jail/.../dev Jul 17 03:37:43 then mount -o bind /dev there Jul 17 03:37:49 umount Jul 17 03:37:53 not rm -rf Jul 17 03:38:02 ya Jul 17 03:38:04 i did this Jul 17 03:38:09 oh, wait, you are talking about the jail dev Jul 17 03:38:13 just bind mount over it Jul 17 03:38:18 i did that basically Jul 17 03:38:39 i cleaned it up first that all i was saying Jul 17 03:38:41 but that would then give that to everything that runs in a jail Jul 17 03:38:48 not just your app Jul 17 03:39:06 no it didnt Jul 17 03:39:10 it only affected my 1 app Jul 17 03:39:19 the other jails are not affected Jul 17 03:39:30 oh, if you only do it in your one jail location for your specific app, then yeah Jul 17 03:39:41 where else would I have done it? Jul 17 03:40:35 ignore me... brain not fully booted yet Jul 17 03:42:33 ka6sox-farfarawa: ubuntu-natty-chroot 11.04-2 is in the feeds Jul 17 03:42:40 thanks Jul 17 03:45:50 Hmm - hopefully the -2 in the version won't make the webOS listApps service barf Jul 17 03:45:58 I keep turning the screen off on my tp in the dock, and it keeps coming back on Jul 17 03:47:42 rwhitby, we should look into using schroot to control the chroots... it would allow us to set up chroot build rules which would simplify the creation and teardown of the chroots and give xecutah an easy way to run commands inside that chroot from outside it Jul 17 03:49:53 * ka6sox-farfarawa shudders at having to wait 4thousand hours for libboost to build Jul 17 03:51:59 rwhitby, is xecutah supposed to see -2? Jul 17 03:52:40 ka6sox-farfarawa: haven't pushed executah update yet Jul 17 03:55:39 ka6sox-farfarawa: Xecutah 0.8.0 in the feeds Jul 17 03:55:59 kk Jul 17 03:56:32 works fine Jul 17 03:57:45 xchatter: ok, what else does this need for bare-bones release? Jul 17 03:58:35 well...let me test xecutah first Jul 17 04:01:07 hmmm...let me see...did I hang this by not starting the xserver first Jul 17 04:02:25 nope Jul 17 04:02:52 * rwhitby installs LibreOffice on the touchpad Jul 17 04:03:06 hurt me baby Jul 17 04:04:05 I have an 8GB partition :) Jul 17 04:04:41 cryptk: so, we should work out how to make the ubuntu-natty-chroot Makefile splice fixed stuff for dbus Jul 17 04:04:48 s/dbus/upstart/ Jul 17 04:08:54 it wants XranDR Jul 17 04:10:04 anyone know what would cause forkpty to return a Exec format error Jul 17 04:11:01 rwhitby, now its only showing upper case characters and no controls.... Jul 17 04:11:10 like there is a bit stuck. Jul 17 04:16:22 okay....need to fix these keybindings Jul 17 04:16:25 getting errors Jul 17 04:16:34 rwhitby, agreed Jul 17 04:18:44 rwhitby, I am now able to call a xapp in the server...from xecutah and clean up afterwards. Jul 17 04:18:57 that is in the chroot Jul 17 04:19:55 cool, so no schroot needed then Jul 17 04:20:00 nope Jul 17 04:20:12 ka6sox-farfarawa: how? Jul 17 04:20:32 ka6sox-farfarawa, can you call apt-get update from outside, running the apt-get update inside... and get the command line output outside? Jul 17 04:20:35 I modded chroot-wrapper.sh and called my app. Jul 17 04:21:07 with xterm sure Jul 17 04:21:38 ka6sox-farfarawa, what I am really looking for... from outside the chroot can you run `aptitude search lxde` and get the search results outside the chroot? Jul 17 04:21:48 if so, then installing packages from Xecutah is possible Jul 17 04:22:57 wonder if we could register a service on the palm bus from inside the chroot Jul 17 04:22:58 cryptk, the x-server displays the output of aptitude for me. Jul 17 04:23:41 does the chroot know about that? Jul 17 04:25:18 wish I knew more about keybindings and mappings...the xserver is complaining everytime I bring up the app. Jul 17 04:26:30 hrm... so we can fire commands into the chroot, but they are done blind.. all output happens inside the chroot Jul 17 04:26:50 which makes sense... that's kinda the point of a chroot... but it makes installing packages from outside a little harder Jul 17 04:27:12 unless we get really creative and have the chroot create a socket and such Jul 17 04:27:21 cryptk, all you need is a way to create the list Jul 17 04:27:38 its all packages.gz which we know Jul 17 04:27:38 what do you mean? Jul 17 04:27:45 yeah, but that isn't the problem Jul 17 04:28:02 if you fire off the command to install something... Xecutah won't be able to know if it was installed successfully or if it errored Jul 17 04:28:26 sure, I can fire off aptitude install lxde at it... but things outside of the chroot won't know if it actually happened Jul 17 04:28:35 unless they watch the apt log... Jul 17 04:28:42 which IS accessable from outside the chroot Jul 17 04:28:47 right Jul 17 04:28:50 but it gets hackey at that point Jul 17 04:30:21 doesn't have to be Jul 17 04:34:21 * ka6sox-farfarawa likes having the webos user to play with... a NON-root user :D Jul 17 04:35:10 rwhitby: Xecutah can run Ubuntu even on Pre2? Jul 17 04:35:50 probably Jul 17 04:37:02 so the stuff on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_Signing no longer works on 3.x? Jul 17 04:37:19 not for PDK plugins Jul 17 04:37:24 segfaults Jul 17 04:39:26 for the signing or skipping jailing? Jul 17 04:39:28 time to test ubuntu on the veer Jul 17 04:39:35 PuffTheMagic: skipping jailing Jul 17 04:40:38 worked fine till I tried the webos user Jul 17 04:45:12 test Jul 17 04:45:32 read ya loud and clear Jul 17 04:45:48 found a stuck key on the keyboard Jul 17 04:45:50 if I update to 3.0.2 how do I switch to the non dev app catalog? Jul 17 04:46:59 * rwhitby notes this is a public channel Jul 17 04:47:30 okay ...keybinding issue was a stuck key... Jul 17 04:47:47 now i need to be able to get this to the right size when i call it. Jul 17 04:50:16 better Jul 17 04:50:20 sorta Jul 17 04:51:52 boo Jul 17 04:52:57 somebocy say something please? Jul 17 04:53:51 moo? Jul 17 04:53:59 moo is good Jul 17 04:54:17 the browser doesn't work for font size but typing it in does Jul 17 04:55:26 okay...one more time to see if settings are sticky and i'm good Jul 17 04:56:41 yup....works perfectly Jul 17 04:58:29 except I can't use the webos user for some reason. Jul 17 05:00:02 ka6sox-farfarawa: oh, the package in the feeds doesn't have a nonpriv user Jul 17 05:00:14 it should Jul 17 05:00:23 lots of apps don't like to run as ROOOT Jul 17 05:00:54 adduser ... Jul 17 05:00:59 I created my own user...but I really want to have a non priv user Jul 17 05:01:01 I did Jul 17 05:01:10 and it solved my problem Jul 17 05:02:41 okay I will need to create event.d too.. Jul 17 05:02:52 then I can put the scripts in there. Jul 17 05:03:37 lets see if this is still connected Jul 17 05:09:06 anone last time Jul 17 05:11:56 chroot /usr/bin/sudo -u foo_user /usr/bin/foo Jul 17 05:12:05 and it starts the app Jul 17 05:12:13 and when the app quits...it cleans up Jul 17 05:13:27 now to figure out how to install things via xecutah Jul 17 05:35:06 http://twitpic.com/5refdk Jul 17 05:38:36 that should get some twitter action going Jul 17 05:41:22 lol Jul 17 05:42:21 is it snappy? Jul 17 05:54:46 apt-get install tighvncviewr Jul 17 05:55:01 fail Jul 17 05:57:41 bbiaf Jul 17 06:00:57 heh, I'm waiting to see what the first webOS site article will make of all this. So many ways that they will be able to report it all wrong :) Jul 17 06:04:40 I guess the FB can't handle that...probably need to reduce res and colors to get it to work. Jul 17 06:13:29 rwhitby, all the xecutah apps are headless and have the X windows logo? Jul 17 06:14:05 ka6sox-farfarawa: no, the ubuntu chroot has a ubuntu logo Jul 17 06:14:27 ah right Jul 17 06:14:39 lessee... Jul 17 06:14:47 next is aptitude Jul 17 06:15:01 see if I can't make this easier to add apps in the chroot Jul 17 06:17:28 what would be a nice demo app for the Veer Ubuntu ? Jul 17 06:17:35 ya Jul 17 06:17:36 it would Jul 17 06:17:41 let me start testing Jul 17 06:21:09 okay you need to use the j/k keys to move up and down Jul 17 06:26:20 okay aptitude works fine Jul 17 06:33:15 aptitude is fine...but I think adept will be easier to use on a veer Jul 17 06:36:33 you can get stuck with aptitude Jul 17 06:38:46 okay enough hacking...I'm still on the mountaintop...should have left for home 5hrs ago. Jul 17 06:40:30 drive safe Jul 17 06:42:08 bleh...adept drags in all of kde...thats a non-starter Jul 17 06:43:16 ka6sox-farfarawa: it is? Jul 17 06:43:33 need another x type apt-get front end Jul 17 06:43:45 236MB of stuff. Jul 17 06:43:52 86MB of download Jul 17 06:44:13 on a veer thats 10% of the chroot Jul 17 06:44:53 0 upgraded, 215 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Jul 17 06:44:53 Need to get 92.6 MB of archives. Jul 17 06:44:53 After this operation, 267 MB of additional disk space will be used. Jul 17 06:45:03 bleh Jul 17 06:46:44 apt-get install software-center Jul 17 06:47:21 0 upgraded, 187 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Jul 17 06:47:21 Need to get 73.5 MB of archives. Jul 17 06:47:21 After this operation, 253 MB of additional disk space will be used. Jul 17 06:47:25 sheesh Jul 17 06:48:49 we should just create a whitelist of apps known to work based upon machine Jul 17 06:56:27 Extreme Tux Racer doesn't run on the Veer. Jul 17 06:57:11 rwhitby, I think we will end up with a list for each class of device Jul 17 06:57:44 still waiting for my eclipse install Jul 17 06:58:05 =8-o Jul 17 06:58:19 on the veer??? Jul 17 06:59:21 man we need those keymappings Jul 17 07:01:28 jacques: touchpad, not veer Jul 17 07:01:49 rwhitby, ah, well, that's alright then Jul 17 07:02:19 rwhitby: you're goging to run eclipse on a touchpad? Jul 17 07:02:28 s/gog/go/ Jul 17 07:06:01 mmmm, hundreds of thousands of lines of java Jul 17 07:06:04 :-| Jul 17 07:07:04 * ka6sox-farfarawa wonders how big synaptic is Jul 17 07:07:13 and how much carp it drags in Jul 17 07:09:19 okay outta here Jul 17 07:11:13 * rwhitby starts eclipse Jul 17 07:12:25 rwhitby, snappy? Jul 17 07:13:01 fails. fatal error :( Jul 17 07:15:20 :-( Jul 17 07:15:37 what sort of error? Jul 17 07:24:33 some java thing. Jul 17 07:24:45 no way I'm going to worry about debugging it Jul 17 07:25:03 that might be a general arm distro issue Jul 17 07:36:04 or it may be a java thing Jul 17 07:38:07 I meant java on arm, rather than java in chroot on tp Jul 17 07:39:20 speaking of arm builds: I think i'm going to send an email to the dropbox guys, would be cool to have dropboxd on webOS (even just for my .vimrc) Jul 17 07:51:25 twm is almost useable Jul 17 08:05:57 synergyc works nicely from ubuntu chroot Jul 17 08:06:15 seems the lack of keyboard input from a mac is a known issue Jul 17 08:13:41 destinal: hey, look, file:/// URLs work in the browser now Jul 17 08:15:21 Now, to figure out how to make and submit a patch. Jul 17 08:16:08 Xuzz: nice! Jul 17 08:24:48 Xuzz: diff -u ... to apply with patch -d / -p1 < ... Jul 17 08:24:57 then submit to patches.webos-internals.org Jul 17 08:25:03 okay, will do Jul 17 08:33:43 rwhitby: just to make sure, it should look like this? http://pastie.org/private/vrrygog4apfqxuaha8zkq Jul 17 09:04:28 rwhitby: (okay, I submitted that patch; feel free to reject it or whatever you do if it doesn't work/make sense with the patching system) Jul 17 09:05:22 Xuzz: will that apply with -p1 ? Jul 17 09:05:36 i'm not sure :/ Jul 17 09:08:51 TouchPad source # patch -d / -p1 < file-urls.patch Jul 17 09:08:51 patch: invalid option -- 'd' Jul 17 09:12:55 (okay, besides "patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line" with patch-patch, it seems to work and actually correctly patch the file, as it should) Jul 17 22:32:57 rwhitby, is it possible for the chroot in the feeds to include cryptk's upstart fix? Jul 17 22:45:40 dtzWill, ^^ Jul 17 22:51:12 lol of course multiple cards work with different displays :( Jul 17 22:51:12 lol Jul 17 22:51:19 ah that was already known, good. Jul 17 22:52:13 rwhitby: are we short of the auto-chroot goodness? what issues remain? (other than ka6sox's work about unmounting for usb mode, etc, it seems rather straightforward...?) Jul 17 22:52:24 (but much seems 'straightforward' until you go do it... ;)) Jul 17 22:53:46 rwhitby: bluetooth shift keys are probably sticky on touchpad, correct? Jul 17 22:53:56 rwhitby: shift never worked on the touchpad keyboard Jul 17 22:54:33 linuxjacques: the cake stuff probably isn't respecting the sb2 stuff as well as it should re:pkg-config, etc Jul 17 22:54:49 not as well tested as our sub-make invocations Jul 17 22:54:53 dtzWill, i just doctored mt TP with the ext3fs, and installed all the x-stuff from the feeds, and it worked great, except we need to bundle cryptk's upstart fix Jul 17 22:56:04 \o/ file:// support, woooo Jul 17 22:56:06 Xuzz: ty! :) Jul 17 22:56:27 so no one want to try hfs+? Jul 17 22:56:39 :) Jul 17 22:56:48 PuffTheMagic: wait, explain this to me Jul 17 22:56:53 windows supports HFS+? huh? Jul 17 22:57:02 well there are windows drivers for hfs+ yes Jul 17 22:57:04 eww. hfs+ Jul 17 22:57:10 eww why Jul 17 22:57:15 its bettre than vfat Jul 17 22:57:29 * scoutcamper is a windows/linux gut Jul 17 22:57:29 PuffTheMagic: yeah, but not built in, and not good ones Jul 17 22:57:33 guy* Jul 17 22:57:35 i'm a osx/linux guy Jul 17 22:57:45 well. anything posix Jul 17 22:57:52 (no not cygwin) Jul 17 22:58:12 PuffTheMagic: at that logic, since HFS+ only works on osx natively, why not just do like ext2? Jul 17 22:58:25 (I guess Ubuntu can read (but not write) natively?) Jul 17 22:58:48 scoutcamper: i'm sure it's completely possible to update the chroot however we see fit, including any fixing cryptk has. Jul 17 22:59:10 i would assume the chroot was made with help of cryptk, since i think he spent a decent amount of time building chroot's and figuring out how to get various applications to play nice in a chroot Jul 17 22:59:17 Xuzz, hfs+ works on windows mac and linux perfectly Jul 17 22:59:36 PuffTheMagic: seriously, show me some source for that, i find it hard to believe Jul 17 22:59:38 i have my external usb drive formatted for hfs+ and use it between the 3 OSes regularrly Jul 17 22:59:51 last time I heard it worked on Linux for reading, writing had journaling issues, and windows had no support Jul 17 22:59:52 rwhitby: in your tweets you talk about a 'full ubuntu working' or so--do we do anything special to support various applications (issues re:dbus cryptk/others have been struggling with) or just the normal bind mount+chroot song+dance? Jul 17 22:59:52 Xuzz, well hfs+ is in the linux kernel Jul 17 22:59:57 no need for a link for that Jul 17 23:00:02 yeah, i know that Jul 17 23:00:03 but windows? Jul 17 23:00:11 also, fwiw, abiword is generally >> on these mobile devices than openoffice Jul 17 23:00:34 we go through this every now and then, everyone rediscovering how useful chroots are xD. at least this time looks like we're finally enabling it as an end-user option :) Jul 17 23:00:44 dtzWill: libreoffice worked damn well when I played with it Jul 17 23:01:01 halfhalo-hotel: oh great. i just remember being rather gurmpy that openoffice on the pre thing hit on p|c last year Jul 17 23:01:05 took like 3 minutes to run Jul 17 23:01:12 abiword worked great -.- Jul 17 23:01:13 Xuzz, i would have to boot into windows and try and find the driver i installed Jul 17 23:01:22 PuffTheMagic: okay, so it is a third party driver? Jul 17 23:01:24 dtzWill, end-user only if they understand meta-doctor Jul 17 23:01:31 (i think it's a for-$$$ driver, though?) Jul 17 23:01:35 its about the same as a desktop for start time Jul 17 23:01:45 and all of it was 'discovered' by some guy, when we'd all been playing with chrooted x apps for months... and they pick almost exactly the worst one to demonstrate Jul 17 23:01:46 lol Jul 17 23:01:56 hah Jul 17 23:02:07 Xuzz, no i downloaded it for free Jul 17 23:02:09 i dont pay for shit Jul 17 23:02:11 halfhalo-hotel: so it still takes 3 minutes then? Jul 17 23:02:12 :P Jul 17 23:02:18 PuffTheMagic: heh, okay Jul 17 23:02:24 i don't own a windows computer, so... Jul 17 23:02:25 lol Jul 17 23:02:58 Xuzz, i think its the driver from Bootcamp 3.0 Jul 17 23:03:35 scoutcamper: anyway bug rwhitby about it, it seems easy to add. Jul 17 23:03:41 j/w, what was his fix(es) exactly? Jul 17 23:03:41 PuffTheMagic: ah, that makes sense Jul 17 23:03:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Supporting_operating_systems - a decent table for comparison Jul 17 23:03:47 (but isn't that driver read only?) Jul 17 23:04:29 ahh but it's fun to see the xserver stuff taking off ^.^ Jul 17 23:04:48 PuffTheMagic: yeah: "Partial - write support occurs if journal is empty, but requires a force mount" (for HFS+ on Linux) Jul 17 23:04:54 Xuzz, http://www.speedyshare.com/443448130.html Jul 17 23:05:05 it def does not work for journaled Jul 17 23:05:10 but write support works fine Jul 17 23:05:15 with what ever it is im using Jul 17 23:05:34 dtzWill, he re did the start-stop-daemon to work on the chroot(i dont know the details) Jul 17 23:05:51 i wonder if UDF would work across the board Jul 17 23:06:32 * halfhalo-hotel has almost stock TP. not fun Jul 17 23:06:51 no chroot for me today... Jul 17 23:07:10 bpadalino: probably, but that'd be a really weird choice Jul 17 23:07:38 Xuzz: why do you say that ? Jul 17 23:07:55 I don't think I've ever seen UDF used for anything but CDs, I guess. Jul 17 23:08:04 time to think outside the box :) Jul 17 23:08:36 udf should be dvds tho .. iso9660/joliet is cds i thought .. i didn't think they were the same? Jul 17 23:10:05 hrm .. i guess cd-rw's are there too .. neat Jul 17 23:11:08 osx seems to have a newfs_udf command .. Jul 17 23:19:28 another interesting anecdote re: filesystems - http://superuser.com/questions/39942/using-udf-on-a-usb-flash-drive Jul 17 23:27:54 it's kind of horrible that there is no filesystem better than FAT32 that is supported by Windows, Mac, and Linux OOTB. :/ Jul 17 23:30:04 lion should get better ntfs support .. but you're right - it is pretty terrible :( Jul 17 23:31:58 there are some mentions of much faster filesystem performance using UDF for flash drives ..that sounded interesting Jul 17 23:33:18 m0n0p0le Jul 17 23:35:51 morning Jul 17 23:36:26 hola rwhitby Jul 17 23:45:56 dtzWill: so, keyboard mappings ... ;) Jul 18 00:01:08 morning Jul 18 00:17:05 so are there rules about what is allowed to be stored on the webos-internals git? I have two games I have been porting on both open source, I was going to create my own git but I dont really know if I have the need for my own git repository. Jul 18 00:17:50 elpollodiabo1: what are the games? Jul 18 00:19:19 Dodgin Dimonds two and Anagramarama Jul 18 00:19:39 just C sdl based game Jul 18 00:20:46 are there certain open source restrtictions/requirements to webos-internals git? Jul 18 00:21:55 open source is good. the question to ask is "what benefit does having it on git.webos-internals.org provide over just creating an account on gitbhub?" Jul 18 00:23:00 probably not, other then the setup. Jul 18 00:23:03 none* Jul 18 00:23:55 it also might help to get any open source requirement tips from the internals people. Jul 18 00:24:37 if I had it on my own I probably would not be following the rules of the specific open source license to 100% compilance just due to lack of knowledge Jul 18 00:26:51 elpollodiabo1: if you put the source on github, it's hard not to be compliant. Jul 18 00:27:28 as a heads-up, we've been considering whether to move our stuff there, and have put the patches repo there as a test case. Jul 18 00:28:46 oh alright, I guys I can create an account on github and see how that works, thanks Jul 18 00:30:43 lets see if i try to bring up another x-server and bring up xterm if it will kill this session Jul 18 00:31:11 boo Jul 18 00:31:15 guess i'm still here Jul 18 00:48:01 dtzWill, so if novacom doesnt have controlling tty, how does sh gain one? Jul 18 00:48:38 rwhitby: sure, leave ME the boring attention-to-detail requiring job ;) Jul 18 00:48:59 PuffTheMagic: i have absolutely no idea :( Jul 18 00:49:10 like i was saying before, maybe this ctty talk is misleading Jul 18 00:49:14 maybe it's simply lack of /dev/tty Jul 18 00:49:42 i've created that Jul 18 00:49:47 and ptmx doesnt use tty Jul 18 00:49:53 dtzWill, would the fact that I can't do capital letters have something to do with the key mappings? Jul 18 00:50:02 and if so, could you kindly fix please, lol Jul 18 00:50:12 because I have no clue what I am doing with key mappings, haha Jul 18 00:50:32 cryptk rwhitby, you two should get the upstart fix in the chroot in the feeds Jul 18 00:51:24 scoutcamper, I have provided the fix to rwhitby Jul 18 00:51:50 takes time grasshopper... baby steps... Jul 18 00:53:28 cryptk: yes. Jul 18 00:53:47 cryptk: and it's easy conceptually, just takes time. Jul 18 00:53:53 which means in an OSS community it'll never get done. Jul 18 00:54:04 oh, and it would greatly increase usability, so _definitely_ never getting done ;) Jul 18 00:54:14 lol Jul 18 00:55:27 dtzWill, hahaha Jul 18 00:56:11 dtzWill, pwoplw are gonna have a hard time logging into their "special" websites with no capital letters Jul 18 00:56:18 gonna have to make their passwords all lowercase Jul 18 00:56:51 oh it's going to be fixed. Jul 18 00:57:20 porn = the great motivator? Jul 18 00:57:29 i think it's in testing feed mostly to get xecutah out and some attention (momentum is a good thing!), not b/c it's 'ready' yet. Jul 18 00:57:40 (and in leiu of a more private testing feed) Jul 18 00:57:47 b/c as we've discussed having this stuff in preware is useful Jul 18 00:58:36 dtzWill: I have a few potential updates to the palm-prex keymappings. and I have a question on one issue the sticky keys are having Jul 18 00:59:13 you interested in them? Jul 18 01:00:07 elpollodiabo1: yes, although i'm slightly distracted. but go ahead, if nothing else it'll be documented for me to look at later, or others to see and fix/etc Jul 18 01:01:58 for the Control issue with the gesture, I jsut switched the sym and gesture keycodes. that actually worked pretty well and sym+c acts like ctrl+c Jul 18 01:03:28 also since gesture+c only works for the system I moved the Down key in symbols from C to the F key representation. Jul 18 01:04:12 I have the changes saved to file if you want me to send them along Jul 18 01:05:52 and the one major issue I have found with the sticky keys is if you hold down a modifier it repeats which causes the modifiers get all crazy because with each repeat it acts like the button is being pressed again and since there is no indicator of sticky information it is hard to undo that. Jul 18 01:06:47 I tired to figure that issue out but what I tried didnt seem to work. so if you have any suggestions or insight let me know and I will try it out. Jul 18 01:32:45 scoutcamper: feel free to submit a patch to the ubuntu-natty-chroot Makefile which folds in the upstart fix built from source. Jul 18 01:33:01 ok Jul 18 01:33:30 we don't release stuff in feeds until it is automatically built from source (and that building is replicated by at least another person) Jul 18 01:33:43 kk Jul 18 01:33:56 so a binary fix is great for testing and pathfinding, but needs to be converted into a source build before going into the feeds. Jul 18 02:50:20 dtzWill, I don't suppose we have xdpyinfo anywhere? Jul 18 02:51:43 jacques: outside of a chroot, no Jul 18 02:51:45 sorry :( Jul 18 02:51:51 use the ubuntu-chroot goondess! ^.^ Jul 18 02:52:15 I want to play with that, but I'd rather not spend the time setting it up right now Jul 18 02:52:46 I'll hack something Jul 18 02:52:50 jacques, it doesnt' take much more time than downloading a preware package Jul 18 02:53:04 ka6sox: well you have to metadoc first, no? Jul 18 02:53:23 ka6sox, my net connection is effectively very low b/w right now Jul 18 02:53:41 how much data are we talking? Jul 18 02:54:08 something like 61MB Jul 18 02:54:19 yes, I forgot you need to meta doc first Jul 18 02:54:20 oh, that's not terrible. Jul 18 02:54:41 meta doc what? I already have a 8GB ext3fs Jul 18 02:55:06 then you are golden Jul 18 02:55:19 as long as its got the right mountpoint Jul 18 02:55:20 I *definitely* want to play with it, but I am stubborn. Jul 18 02:55:40 I just want a xdpyinfo binary :-D gonna make one Jul 18 02:56:06 argh, I just lost an hours without noticing Jul 18 02:58:07 ka6sox: is there a way to do the partition stuff non-destructively? :3 Jul 18 02:58:22 dtzWill, yes, I've done it before Jul 18 02:58:30 and I have the script still Jul 18 02:58:35 you helped me work on it. Jul 18 02:58:45 ka6sox: oh, yes. if you still have it would you mind sending it my way? Jul 18 02:58:48