**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 18 02:59:57 2011 Jul 18 03:00:23 work out the script, then just put it into a C service with feedback to the user. Jul 18 03:00:36 make each step idempotent and fail-safe Jul 18 03:00:47 have each step be a service call Jul 18 03:00:55 wow, that would rock so hard. Jul 18 03:00:56 have a UI front-end to manage it Jul 18 03:01:00 ka6sox: before we get to that stage, send it to me so i can use it? :3 Jul 18 03:01:08 but everything rwhitby says is on the money :) Jul 18 03:01:23 dtzWill, sure Jul 18 03:01:34 jacques: that's the next step to wide-spread chroot deployment, since no end-users will doctor Jul 18 03:01:35 let me dig it up and put it up on the git server Jul 18 03:01:56 ka6sox: you could put it in the bootstrap repo Jul 18 03:02:19 rwhitby, okay Jul 18 03:03:25 rather than use a TP though...I'll use the pre- I have for development Jul 18 03:03:27 rwhitby, so a C service which links to libparted.so ? Jul 18 03:03:33 no Jul 18 03:03:39 its an lvm Jul 18 03:03:39 no, just does the bits of the script Jul 18 03:03:50 that would require kparted Jul 18 03:03:51 lvm resizes, vfat resizes, etc Jul 18 03:03:57 oh, lvm is beyond me Jul 18 03:04:09 jacques, thats really simple stuff Jul 18 03:04:14 I have avoided them in the past Jul 18 03:04:28 its easier than partitioning... Jul 18 03:04:46 trenchcoat does those things now when you doctor, to resize the usb partition Jul 18 03:05:16 so it sounds like the hard part is the UI / testing ? Jul 18 03:05:23 hard partS Jul 18 03:05:23 yes, Jul 18 03:05:44 the app actually will need to do a luna restart, and take it offline Jul 18 03:06:00 so that things aren't messed up. Jul 18 03:06:13 why? Jul 18 03:06:34 the cryptofs has to be offline Jul 18 03:06:48 orly? that's not going to happen then Jul 18 03:07:03 why? Jul 18 03:07:31 resizing a running partition is a BAD idea Jul 18 03:08:08 I don't see how an app is going to be able to take cryptofs offline Jul 18 03:08:29 script does it Jul 18 03:08:50 I will call the cryptofs off event and then do the resize Jul 18 03:08:59 then turn it back on. Jul 18 03:09:15 just like the usb event. Jul 18 03:11:19 good luck doing that reliably and safely Jul 18 03:14:16 I've done it like 30+times Jul 18 03:14:50 I do it exactly like the usb gadget does Jul 18 03:15:03 and if it hangs in the middle, how does the user who does not have a command line fix it? Jul 18 03:15:10 but I don't connect the usb to the flash array Jul 18 03:15:49 I purposely hung it like 4X...and recovered by rebooting. Jul 18 03:23:22 I love being able to get a chroot started with two clicks, and to just swipe it away when done. Jul 18 03:23:47 i love it not requiring my PC to run :D Jul 18 03:28:19 two click chroot? sweet. Jul 18 03:28:33 I love being able to get to xapps directly :D Jul 18 03:29:22 * halfhalo misses having a chroot. he needs to rectify that when he gets to a pc Jul 18 03:36:34 I have testing feed enabled, why don;t I see ubuntu chroot? Jul 18 03:37:14 jacques, i see it on my TP Jul 18 03:37:30 that's nice :-\ Jul 18 03:37:52 jacques, what device r u on? Jul 18 03:38:11 tp Jul 18 03:38:20 idk thn Jul 18 03:38:25 u see xecutah? Jul 18 03:38:30 device doesn't matter Jul 18 03:38:41 yeah I have xecutah/xserver/xterm Jul 18 03:39:01 jacques, it should be there then Jul 18 03:39:03 rwhitby, something I am missing? Jul 18 03:39:10 nope Jul 18 03:39:27 I see things updated today, Mendeley, Navit Maps, etc. Jul 18 03:39:31 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot_11.04-2_arm.ipk Jul 18 03:39:45 you have the armv7 testing feed enabled? Jul 18 03:39:52 hmm Jul 18 03:40:09 I don't see that feed Jul 18 03:40:20 oh, wasit yes Jul 18 03:40:26 I have it Jul 18 03:40:45 ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7 Jul 18 03:41:02 so it's a mystery then? Jul 18 03:41:18 that's a bit concerning Jul 18 03:41:38 is your feed name unique? Jul 18 03:42:08 rwhitby, there are two URIs under the heading webos-internals-testing Jul 18 03:42:26 as there are under webos-internals and optware-testing Jul 18 03:42:50 if what I said doesn't answer that question, I don't understand the question Jul 18 03:43:26 jacques: dunno - next step is to check the list files themselves Jul 18 03:43:38 pastebin your conf file first Jul 18 03:46:25 I can't find it Jul 18 03:51:06 its in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/ Jul 18 03:54:02 rwhitby, why no webos user in the production chroot? Jul 18 03:55:28 rwhitby, http://pastebin.com/3PDk7QBc Jul 18 04:00:44 ka6sox: no way to set a password on package install. Jul 18 04:01:09 not going to encode a security vulnerability into the page Jul 18 04:01:10 package Jul 18 04:01:23 jacques: looks correct Jul 18 04:01:26 rwhitby, you see anything strange in my config file above? only thing I see is ubuntu chroot is arm not arm7 Jul 18 04:01:39 frm looking at http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/Packages Jul 18 04:01:39 jacques: any other conf files with the same feed names (second field after src/gz) ? Jul 18 04:01:42 rwhitby, how is a non-priv user in a chroot going to do that? Jul 18 04:02:09 rwhitby, no, grep shows that as only one Jul 18 04:02:26 ka6sox: they install ssh, and suddenly the device has a know webos/webos exploit Jul 18 04:03:06 how is that any diff than xterm Jul 18 04:03:32 ka6sox: xterm can only be controlled by the user, not a remote network attack Jul 18 04:03:52 so it's physical security vs network Jul 18 04:04:08 who installs ssh? Jul 18 04:04:22 and where? Jul 18 04:04:23 (and yes, we need to deal with the "give the tablet to your mate" level of physical security) Jul 18 04:04:55 your non-priv users does "sudo install ssh" in the chroot. oops, they just gave out remote root. Jul 18 04:05:07 sudo apt-get install ssh Jul 18 04:05:34 my non priv user has no access as I give it a sudoers file and place that in the chroot when I make it. Jul 18 04:06:06 and I bet you set a password that I don't know Jul 18 04:06:16 no password Jul 18 04:06:24 none at all Jul 18 04:06:35 so how do you install a package when you're in the chroot? Jul 18 04:06:39 just a non-priv user that isn't part of sudoers Jul 18 04:06:44 xterm can do that Jul 18 04:06:50 since its priv Jul 18 04:07:09 ok, I must not understand what you are asking for here, Jul 18 04:07:32 currently you get a user-interactive chrooted xterm, in which you can say "adduser" to create a new user and then use that. Jul 18 04:07:57 we do not auto-create such a user in the tarball, cause then that auto-created user would have a known password. Jul 18 04:08:15 what is it that you are requesting be different? Jul 18 04:09:10 just have the chroot come with a non priv user that doesnt' have access to sudoers Jul 18 04:09:30 if not I will just add it to my installer... Jul 18 04:15:13 ka6sox: what use is that non-priv user with no sudo access to the person who installs this chroot? they can't do anything with it out of the box Jul 18 04:15:35 the chroot has no apps, so they can't run anything Jul 18 04:15:44 the user has no sudo, so they can't install anything Jul 18 04:16:31 what is the work-flow for the end-user who does not know what 'adduser' is? (since anyone who does know what adduser is can just use that) Jul 18 04:16:42 nm...I'll just handle it a different way. Jul 18 04:16:58 its just 1 more step to do. Jul 18 04:17:11 ok, just checking whether this was a one-off for your particular situation, or something generally useful for the Preware package. Jul 18 04:17:32 cause I don't see a way to have a non-priv user without a known password in the Preware package Jul 18 04:18:25 the chroot tarball has it...not for the base os. Jul 18 04:18:31 only the chroot tarball. Jul 18 04:35:56 ka6sox: apologies, I misunderstood your request Jul 18 04:36:34 I now realise you're asking for a non-priv user *without* a password, which you can have root sudo to to run stuff. Jul 18 04:36:36 xapps don't like being run as root most of the time. Jul 18 04:36:46 no problem at all with that. Jul 18 04:36:48 and its dangerous. Jul 18 04:37:17 how do you suggest we add that user? can rootstrap do it without adding a password, or do we have the Makefile hack it in later? Jul 18 04:37:59 since you can't chroot on the source device its a postinst Jul 18 04:38:13 chroot useradd foo Jul 18 04:39:32 ok. do you want to test such a change? Jul 18 04:39:38 * rwhitby needs to get lunch Jul 18 04:39:44 already done Jul 18 04:40:10 oh, you should have just pastebin'd me a patch then and I might have understood quicker ;) Jul 18 04:40:28 kk Jul 18 04:40:39 * rwhitby bbiab Jul 18 05:00:56 rwhitby, I used the browser function to install 2 optware apps, and until I restarted preware they dind Jul 18 05:01:00 didn't show up. Jul 18 05:02:16 I used "Install Package" and Browse, found the packages in /media/internal and installed. Jul 18 05:02:40 correct Jul 18 05:02:48 but they didn't show up in the installed list till after I rebooted preware. Jul 18 05:03:08 is that correct? Jul 18 05:03:13 yep, until you update feeds Jul 18 05:03:17 doesnt' do that for normal apps. Jul 18 05:03:23 oh Jul 18 05:03:26 based upon feeds. Jul 18 05:03:33 hmmm Jul 18 05:09:32 it's possible that Preware could take the information extracted from the loaded package and put it into the installed packages database. But in general stuff related to Install Package is quite separate from the feeds handling, so may not be easy. Jul 18 05:11:49 okay thats understandable. Jul 18 05:12:02 its not like its never showing up Jul 18 05:12:16 and so can't be removed without getting ugly Jul 18 05:45:48 okay I don't understand why the postinstall is complaining about /etc when the installer puts termcap in there. Jul 18 05:46:24 /opt/etc Jul 18 06:12:44 cross-compile/packages/media/libvorbis is empty for me - no Makefile Jul 18 06:13:16 oh, I see apparently it was moved to nonworking Jul 18 06:16:14 feel free to move it back if you fix it Jul 18 06:38:12 rwhitby, libvorbis appears to have the same issue as sdl-gfx, and builds when I do http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Widk#X--tag.3DCC:_command_not_found Jul 18 06:38:54 "export echo=echo" Jul 18 06:39:19 jacques: we should put that in the Makefile then Jul 18 06:40:33 it seems like a hacky fix, though I admit I don't understand what's going on there Jul 18 06:46:43 if it works it works Jul 18 06:55:40 I guess "a hacky fix to libtool" is redundant anyway Jul 18 06:55:54 lol Jul 18 06:58:16 cryptofs is mounted in /media/internal by /etc/init.d/mountall.sh Jul 18 06:58:31 then turned on and off by the 2 storage.d scripts Jul 18 06:59:09 so to resize /media/internal you at least need to stop cryptofs temporarily Jul 18 07:01:20 then umount /media/internal and resize that...then remount and restart cryptofs. Jul 18 07:01:49 at that point everything else is not "dangerous" Jul 18 07:11:06 pkill -SIGUSR1 cryptofs Jul 18 07:11:29 pkill -SIGUSR2 cryptofs Jul 18 07:21:22 so the script that does that must not be in cryptofs Jul 18 07:21:32 correct Jul 18 07:23:09 ok, so we'd need to put that in /var/usr/sbin/ or something. Jul 18 07:23:31 * rwhitby creates a repo for Resizah Jul 18 07:23:41 already ther.. Jul 18 07:23:43 just rename Jul 18 07:24:18 Resizah? Jul 18 07:24:19 really? Jul 18 07:24:22 :p Jul 18 07:24:25 can it be done in a service method so that it can report status back to the front-end UI? Jul 18 07:24:39 Xuzz: it's a running joke, just to annoy oil and destinal Jul 18 07:24:54 and me too, apparently Jul 18 07:25:02 too many -ah names Jul 18 07:25:18 rwhitby, it can log and the service pick that up. Jul 18 07:25:28 call them from the service Jul 18 07:25:38 but I am opposed to services in general... Jul 18 07:25:47 they stay around Forevah Jul 18 07:26:04 even after they should be LONG gone. Jul 18 07:26:13 ka6sox: I'm open to other ideas, but something like this needs to give progress feedback to the user Jul 18 07:26:22 it can't just go dark for minutes while it is resizing Jul 18 07:26:44 you need continuous warm fuzzies for a tool like this Jul 18 07:26:56 Xuzz, oil: open to other ideas on naming :) Jul 18 07:27:09 rwhitby: I'm assuming this is to resize partitions? Jul 18 07:27:21 LVM partitions resizing and creation Jul 18 07:27:23 any moreso than with with the device going blank and it being mountable on a host? Jul 18 07:27:49 ka6sox: yes, cause in that case you're not resizing partitions Jul 18 07:29:05 rwhitby, unless you can tell me how the app will continue running with cryptofs suspended then no. Jul 18 07:29:42 ka6sox: I assume JS is cached when read, so we stay on the same scene and report updates there Jul 18 07:30:11 okay so that means this can't be dependent on another app in cryptofs Jul 18 07:30:20 such things need to be tested. but a tool that goes into the feeds for this needs to have a front-end with frequent progress reporting Jul 18 07:30:23 it has to be totallhy standalone Jul 18 07:31:14 but unless we can continue running an app with cryptofs suspended then I'm not sure. Jul 18 07:31:19 this app is so dangerous that you don't want it depending on anything else Jul 18 07:31:25 right Jul 18 07:31:47 have you tested that you can't have a Mojo scene still updating from a service with cryptofs suspended? Jul 18 07:31:54 I would expect it to work Jul 18 07:32:02 rwhitby: Resizah.. nice :P Jul 18 07:32:14 palm blanks the screen and doesn't let you do anything Jul 18 07:32:23 doesn't mean we can't have our app instead keep reporting Jul 18 07:32:56 palm however suspends input during that time. Jul 18 07:33:00 Xuzz, oil: see? destinal loves the name. Jul 18 07:33:20 maybe if i stop saying how much i hate -ah it will go away Jul 18 07:33:51 they just throw up a png file Jul 18 07:33:59 and lock input Jul 18 07:34:17 ours could just as easily keep reporing Jul 18 07:34:20 reporting Jul 18 07:35:09 ka6sox: do you have a prototype we can look at? Jul 18 07:35:39 I am rewriting it now...its been almost 2yrs and I know a lot more now about how it works. Jul 18 07:35:51 I'll push to the repo as soon as I have a working script. Jul 18 07:36:00 (without reporting for now) Jul 18 07:39:11 that means any preware installed things like any optware things might not work. Jul 18 07:39:29 they would have to be standalone in /opt/* Jul 18 07:39:48 so fatresize from optware, for example, would need to be installed via cli Jul 18 07:40:07 this tool needs to be standalone. Jul 18 07:40:20 no dependencies Jul 18 07:40:20 we can provide the tools Jul 18 07:40:36 touchpad has resizefat on it Jul 18 07:40:50 for others then we need it. Jul 18 07:41:02 maybe veer already has it. Jul 18 07:43:06 so you want to put this in /var/lib/palm? Jul 18 07:43:28 what is /var/lib/palm? Jul 18 07:43:32 nm Jul 18 07:43:39 /var/usr/sbing Jul 18 07:43:42 -g Jul 18 07:44:38 the whole app including the js stuff lives there? Jul 18 07:44:39 it should be /var/usr/sbin/org.webointernals.resizah Jul 18 07:44:47 okay Jul 18 07:44:56 no, the app should be in the normal place Jul 18 07:45:23 (assuming your tests of whether JS is cached while showing a single scene are successful) Jul 18 07:45:28 I'm not sure that you wouldn't hang it. Jul 18 07:45:57 I'm no js expert...so making that bit is beyond me. Jul 18 07:46:02 app can only be executed from cryptofs, you don't have a choice Jul 18 07:46:59 okay wish me luck...I'm about to suspend cyptofs and see if the screen goes blank. (it shouldn't) Jul 18 07:47:47 we should be able to test this using the Hello! app. Jul 18 07:48:08 just have it call the hello service once every second counting up numbers for the name. Jul 18 07:48:37 while it's doing that, suspend cryptofs Jul 18 07:49:21 the service C binary should be /var/usr/sbin/org.webointernals.resizah Jul 18 07:49:29 can't use node.js service, cause that's in cryptofs Jul 18 07:49:44 I was going to put time's exhibition mode up. Jul 18 07:49:55 but thats okay to use hello! too. Jul 18 07:50:01 we need to work out how to do dynamic C services that only run when called Jul 18 07:50:17 yes, because its a MESS. Jul 18 07:50:32 it's a much tidier mess than the jail mounts Jul 18 07:50:53 yep. how to leave messes around that need to be cleaned up. Jul 18 07:51:13 and C services are a mess cause they are the only way to do what we need to do Jul 18 07:51:27 I'm all ears for a better alternative Jul 18 07:52:47 isn't hello! in testing Jul 18 07:56:42 how do you put an app in exhibition? Jul 18 07:59:15 add code to do it Jul 18 07:59:34 okay the countdown timer ran without any issues Jul 18 07:59:38 I can't find hello Jul 18 08:00:52 is there an underlying c service that does something? Jul 18 08:02:56 impostah uses a c service right? Jul 18 08:03:41 hello is in git Jul 18 08:04:01 impostah has a C service Jul 18 08:04:19 okay, changing scenes is a no-go as expected Jul 18 08:06:01 but its not in preware-build right? Jul 18 08:10:34 correct, hello is not released Jul 18 08:15:28 okay, main scene in govnah is updating Jul 18 08:15:39 with cryptofs disabled Jul 18 08:16:16 does switching scenes hang? Jul 18 08:16:57 yes Jul 18 08:17:17 what about going into card view and back into the app again? Jul 18 08:18:00 that still works Jul 18 08:19:03 but I broke govnah by trying to go into preferences...let me restart it Jul 18 08:19:24 ya, that fixed that Jul 18 08:19:39 so we should make this a 1 scene app Jul 18 08:20:03 oil, is there a way to do a progress bar in js/mojo/enyo? Jul 18 08:20:22 yes Jul 18 08:20:26 and yes Jul 18 08:21:15 then we do like trenchcoat does...and make milestone entries Jul 18 08:21:25 when it does this the bar moves to x Jul 18 08:21:53 because we wont' get the level that says 10%, 11% etc from the resizes Jul 18 08:21:56 I would prefer to give extremely detailed status messages about what is happening Jul 18 08:22:08 thats not hard. Jul 18 08:22:13 including percentage progress through the resizes Jul 18 08:22:21 just like preware does with downloads Jul 18 08:22:24 the resizes dont' do that. Jul 18 08:22:37 the underlying apps don't Jul 18 08:22:46 resizefat doesn't Jul 18 08:22:53 lvm resize doesn't Jul 18 08:23:21 lvcreate doesn't Jul 18 08:23:33 mke2fs -j does Jul 18 08:23:44 do you have a wiki page with all these commands on it? Jul 18 08:24:26 this was never a public thing..and because it was dangerous to tell folks to do this I never put one up. Jul 18 08:24:51 put a readme in the git repo and I'll mod that and up load it. Jul 18 08:26:29 is resizah in which section? Jul 18 08:30:03 there is no resizah repo yet - I was waiting for Xuzz and oil to come up with a better name ;) Jul 18 08:30:22 okay well there is resizer and I'm working in there. Jul 18 08:31:00 applications/resizah.git Jul 18 08:31:14 yup..thats where I'm working Jul 18 08:31:40 Presizer Jul 18 08:31:57 does the Veer have fatresize already? Jul 18 08:38:13 tailor? Jul 18 08:46:34 rwhitby, pushed Jul 18 08:47:27 ka6sox: you sure? Jul 18 08:47:36 http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/resizah/ Jul 18 08:47:38 me sure about what? Jul 18 08:47:43 no, not resizah Jul 18 08:47:59 I was working on the old name. Jul 18 08:48:21 * oil votes tailor Jul 18 08:48:47 do I get a vote for my own app? Jul 18 08:49:34 git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/resizah.git Jul 18 08:49:36 well, if its your app, its not really voting Jul 18 08:49:46 you just decide :) Jul 18 08:49:49 fatal: no matching remote head Jul 18 08:50:25 try now Jul 18 08:50:50 * oil just thinks anything without *ah is better then anything with *ah Jul 18 08:51:08 "Withoutah" - excellent suggestion Jul 18 08:51:33 totally missed my actual suggestion :/ Jul 18 08:51:45 second choice was Trimmah Jul 18 08:51:49 I didn't Jul 18 08:52:29 ka6sox: what name have you chosen for your app? Jul 18 08:53:21 still trying to make it work...but I like tailor as it goes with tinker. Jul 18 08:54:39 done Jul 18 08:54:50 oil +1 Jul 18 08:56:05 * rwhitby bbiab (bus) Jul 18 08:56:15 ka6sox: let me know when you've pushed Tailor Jul 18 08:56:21 will do Jul 18 08:58:00 readme pushed Jul 18 08:58:27 yay, no *ah :) Jul 18 08:59:05 * ka6sox renames Impostah to Spy Jul 18 08:59:14 now I only need a Soldier :D Jul 18 08:59:17 wow, a much better name Jul 18 09:01:21 rwhitby, production units don't have fatresize Jul 18 09:03:07 aww no fatresize :( Jul 18 09:03:22 hooray ipkg-opt to the rescue Jul 18 09:03:40 dtzWill, ya, I was able to get that one in to optware (with a LOT of help) Jul 18 09:03:55 that was a result of our experimenting Jul 18 09:04:56 tempted to give the workflow here: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/tailor/tree/README a shot. Jul 18 09:05:09 it's what i'd expect to do--with goodness around making sure cryptofs isn't running Jul 18 09:05:21 any reason i couldn't go ahead and do this myself atm? :) Jul 18 09:05:30 i already did that ...but please add to it Jul 18 09:05:39 (also if i do, should i reinstall optware or something to get it using the new partition?) Jul 18 09:05:52 not helpful in this case. Jul 18 09:06:10 as the reason for doing this is to make the new partition. Jul 18 09:06:36 errr i thought optware bootstrap would use this partition if it existed Jul 18 09:06:42 allieviating the small /opt issue Jul 18 09:06:52 i think i misunderstood somewhere, sorry. Jul 18 09:06:55 yes, it does Jul 18 09:06:57 sorry Jul 18 09:07:07 otherwise it uses cryptofs. Jul 18 09:07:23 and a loop Jul 18 09:07:32 does fatresize really take a mountpoint? Jul 18 09:07:38 small nitpick if not Jul 18 09:08:18 its probably a partition...but its been 2yrs... Jul 18 09:08:25 I have to install it again. Jul 18 09:08:28 okay well even afer nuking cryptofs Jul 18 09:08:43 /dev/mapper/store-media is mounted everytwhere Jul 18 09:08:46 for jails mostly Jul 18 09:08:54 /dev/mapper/store-media on /var/palm/jail/com.artofbytes.grave-defense-hd/media/internal type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro) Jul 18 09:09:01 so we'll need to clean those up Jul 18 09:09:17 lsof is your friend. Jul 18 09:09:17 "jailer -C" does that trick nicelyu Jul 18 09:09:31 dtzWill, add that :D Jul 18 09:10:43 well i did something wrong ^.^ Jul 18 09:11:06 that pkill line should unmount cryptofs i'd imagine, but i was silly and didn't check...it was still mounted Jul 18 09:11:14 rebooting to poke at that some. Jul 18 09:11:25 it's possible that the jail thing will be a non-issue if cryptofs unmounts itself properly Jul 18 09:11:28 that pkill line disconnects the cryptofs Jul 18 09:11:41 jas. Jul 18 09:12:40 the pkill lets you umount /media/internal Jul 18 09:12:49 * dtzWill creates jails Jul 18 09:12:49 ka6sox: can these things be run from an xterm on-device? Jul 18 09:13:08 probably. Jul 18 09:13:12 but haven't tried Jul 18 09:13:30 ka6sox: cryptofs is still listed as mounted after that pkill command Jul 18 09:13:30 ? Jul 18 09:13:49 dtzWill: that is correct Jul 18 09:13:53 yup Jul 18 09:13:54 suspended, not unmounted Jul 18 09:14:01 ahhh, nifty. okay. Jul 18 09:14:08 sorry, didn't realize it was cool like that :) Jul 18 09:14:23 the umount /media/internal will fail if its running Jul 18 09:14:58 dtzWill: it's a fuse app which drops all it's open filesystem handles when suspended and opens then again when resumed Jul 18 09:15:04 without the calling app knowing Jul 18 09:15:31 hmm fatresize (trying to do a fatresize -i /dev/mapper/store-media) is giving "input/output error" :( Jul 18 09:15:39 it worked *Before*, lame Jul 18 09:15:53 ipkg-opt: resource temporarily unavailable Jul 18 09:15:54 the hell Jul 18 09:16:18 ipkg-opt runs from cryptofs ususlly Jul 18 09:16:20 remember...when cryptofs is broken you can't call up things Jul 18 09:16:27 right Jul 18 09:16:33 oh didn't know from cryptofs Jul 18 09:16:34 both cases thats true Jul 18 09:16:38 yup Jul 18 09:16:50 hrm, so i can't really use the fatresize from optware Jul 18 09:16:55 its worse with loop in cryptofs Jul 18 09:17:02 dtzWill, ypu Jul 18 09:17:04 at least not without some magic, right? Jul 18 09:17:06 okay. Jul 18 09:17:09 correct. I thought I said before that this tool can have no dependencies Jul 18 09:17:18 it has to bring them. Jul 18 09:17:26 and put them in the right places Jul 18 09:18:05 dtzWill: what device are you doing this on? Jul 18 09:18:20 rwhitby: poking at my TP atm Jul 18 09:18:42 oh /opt is loop mount from cryptofs somewhere? interesting Jul 18 09:18:48