**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 09 02:59:56 2011
Aug 09 04:57:20 <dtzWill> Puffy_tp: yes, but not enough to have any useful feedback other than "hooray!" and "awesome!"
Aug 09 04:57:43 <dtzWill> played with it some this morning :), while showing off my device itself :D
Aug 09 04:58:23 <dtzWill> "and there's this cool editor being built by a guy i know, here check it out" ^.^
Aug 09 05:01:14 <oil> lol
Aug 09 05:34:31 <rwhitby> dtzWill: thx for the humble bundle lead.
Aug 09 06:26:46 <Puffy_tp> ahh, the humble bundle
Aug 09 06:51:27 <dtzWill> rwhitby: np, it's good stuff.
Aug 09 06:51:38 <dtzWill> so much not a problem that i don't know what lead i gave you, but glad regardless :)
Aug 09 06:51:58 <dtzWill> mechanarium works great on the TP (see the p|c thead on it for a useful little wrapper, etc)
Aug 09 06:57:36 <ka6sox> dtzWill, does widk stage things in such a way that we don't have to rebuild any libs that don't change?
Aug 09 06:57:40 <dtzWill> rwhitby: if i want to build a x package that is somehow device-specific-aware, is there an existing way to do that?
Aug 09 06:57:49 <dtzWill> more directly, how might i check which device i'm on in, say, postinst
Aug 09 06:58:15 <dtzWill> application is following your suggestion of having set_keymap_later.sh always reference the /same/ keymapping, but install the right per-device one at install time.
Aug 09 06:58:33 <dtzWill> issue is how to do that; i assume there's a clean way since we check for compat and such in kernel ipk's i think....
Aug 09 06:58:42 <ka6sox> for now uname -a and parse for tenderloin
Aug 09 06:58:51 <dtzWill> ka6sox: kk
Aug 09 06:59:04 <dtzWill> ka6sox: what do you mean don't change
Aug 09 06:59:24 <ka6sox> if a lib is the same as the last build does it rebuild it.
Aug 09 06:59:30 <dtzWill> absolutely not
Aug 09 06:59:34 <ka6sox> whew
Aug 09 06:59:49 <dtzWill> except if the version changes or something--it doesn't do anything like actually check the sources of the libraries
Aug 09 06:59:59 <dtzWill> which is relevant for updating WIDK to 3.0.0 or something
Aug 09 07:00:08 <ka6sox> kk
Aug 09 07:00:19 <dtzWill> we'll change the version of libfoo to include the 3.0.0 patches...and we'll force a rebuild even if the undelrying source is the same
Aug 09 07:00:23 <dtzWill> but don't think that'sw hat you're asking :)
Aug 09 07:00:33 <ka6sox> okay
Aug 09 07:03:22 <rwhitby> dtzWill: how did you extract the swf out for machinarium?
Aug 09 07:03:41 <dtzWill> exe2swf or something
Aug 09 07:03:55 <dtzWill> worked under wine
Aug 09 07:04:13 <dtzWill> yep, still on my search history. wine ~/exe2swf.exe machinarium.exe
Aug 09 07:04:32 <rwhitby> speaking wine, we should be able to run wine on ubuntu on the touchpad, right?
Aug 09 07:04:48 <dtzWill> rwhitby: wine is not an emulator ;)
Aug 09 07:04:56 <dtzWill> so unless we're hoping to run arm windows binraies
Aug 09 07:05:14 <rwhitby> oh, right.  heh.
Aug 09 07:05:29 <rwhitby> well, when there are windows 8 arm binaries, we'll be set.
Aug 09 07:06:18 <dtzWill> hehe :D
Aug 09 07:33:54 <dtzWill> man i wish novaterm was open-source
Aug 09 07:34:07 <dtzWill> the bugger causes all kinds of issues on my system :(
Aug 09 07:34:28 <dtzWill> from causing misc interrupts in sound to breaking usb entirely to all-out kernel panics :(
Aug 09 07:35:16 <dtzWill> and open-source would fix it b/c a)maybe others better than me could help sort out such things and b)I think it's definitely due to having to use ubuntu's libusb to get it working
Aug 09 08:25:56 <dtzWill> grumble armv6, should just use a veer insetad :(
Aug 09 08:25:56 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 09 08:44:54 <dtzWill> Puffy_tp: as the resident ompload expert, any idea why i can't upload ipk's to it?!
Aug 09 08:44:58 <dtzWill> gives me "You're a tard"
Aug 09 08:44:58 <dtzWill> ll
Aug 09 08:45:03 <dtzWill> *"You're a trad", even.
Aug 09 08:45:19 <dtzWill> I can upload /other/ files
Aug 09 08:45:27 <dtzWill> so i'm guessing it's rejecting it for some reason?
Aug 09 08:45:39 <dtzWill> but i thought you uploaded ipk's to ompload, so thought i'd ask...
Aug 09 08:50:02 <dtzWill> ka6sox: can you try out http://wdtz.org/files/org.webosinternals.xserver_0.7.3_armv7.ipk ?
Aug 09 08:50:11 <dtzWill> (and anyone else, on both tp and non-tp devices?)
Aug 09 08:50:21 <dtzWill> should work well in all cases, other than mayber 1.4.5 but i'm not sure if that worked anyway.
Aug 09 08:50:32 <dtzWill> wanna verify it works for at least another person before pushing
Aug 09 08:50:39 <dtzWill> grumble it's a damn testing feed grumble
Aug 09 08:51:41 <rwhitby> dtzWill: wanna point me to the changes in the repo
Aug 09 08:52:57 <dtzWill> rwhitby: http://git.webos-internals.org/x11/xserver/commit/?id=58658e0f560c5bce2b69356f06859908f247547d in the xserver
Aug 09 08:53:18 <dtzWill> rwhitby: http://git.webos-internals.org/x11/xlauncher/commit/?id=d3a3b5bdfdb33e0385f918a62c362d185cbbc2d1 in the package scripts
Aug 09 08:53:43 <dtzWill> rwhitby: I didn't to the pre/postinstall thing b/c that's difficult to test, tbh
Aug 09 08:54:11 <dtzWill> so just ship both mappings, and pick the right one in set_keymap_later.sh
Aug 09 08:54:19 <rwhitby> dtzWill: both changes look good to me
Aug 09 08:54:36 <dtzWill> hooray ^.^
Aug 09 08:55:15 <dtzWill> works for me on my tp and my veer
Aug 09 08:55:32 <rwhitby> dtzWill: so this fixes shift keys and such?
Aug 09 08:55:40 <dtzWill> rwhitby: yeppers.
Aug 09 08:55:44 <rwhitby> push it danno
Aug 09 08:55:54 <dtzWill> should be able to use almost all the visually represented keys
Aug 09 08:56:07 <dtzWill> still haven't added contorl/esc, but that's due to lack of brainstorming :)
Aug 09 08:56:29 <ka6sox> NuDot:Downloads tking$ palm-install *xserver_0.7.3*
Aug 09 08:56:29 <ka6sox> installing package org.webosinternals.xserver_0.7.3_armv7.ipk on device "topaz-linux" {30d29b0e68c785c6cc629e3c24183321cb6ef653} usb 58554
Aug 09 08:56:29 <ka6sox> palm-install: install failed with status: FAILED_PACKAGEFILE_CORRUPT
Aug 09 08:56:36 <dtzWill> well taht's a bummer.
Aug 09 08:56:37 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 09 08:56:48 <rwhitby> dtzWill: let me know when you've pushed and I'll kick the builder
Aug 09 09:00:34 <dtzWill> rwhitby: pushed, :)
Aug 09 09:00:51 <dtzWill> someone tell me if this thoroughly breaks bt keyboard support or something >_> lol
Aug 09 09:02:28 <ka6sox> did you try to map the BT keyboard?
Aug 09 09:02:32 <ka6sox> or is this just OSK?
Aug 09 09:03:56 <dtzWill> ka6sox: OSK
Aug 09 09:04:01 <dtzWill> i have done nothing, ever, for bt keyboard
Aug 09 09:04:16 <dtzWill> lol :)
Aug 09 09:04:24 <dtzWill> it working to any extent has always been an accident
Aug 09 09:04:36 <dtzWill> also, AFAIK there's no way to know if the bt keyboard is being used
Aug 09 09:04:41 <dtzWill> certainly not officially, anyway
Aug 09 09:05:54 <ka6sox> ok
Aug 09 09:06:02 <ka6sox> once it builds I can test.
Aug 09 09:06:10 <ka6sox> assuming it packages okay.
Aug 09 09:07:14 <dtzWill> it should, i mean i built it in build.git :(
Aug 09 09:07:25 <rwhitby> built, released, tested, tweeted.
Aug 09 09:07:27 <dtzWill> i think i just failed uploading to my server
Aug 09 09:07:40 <dtzWill> some weird MTU issue i haven't felt like chasing
Aug 09 09:08:01 <rwhitby> https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/100855239321731073
Aug 09 09:08:19 <dtzWill> rwhitby: hooray, ty! :)
Aug 09 09:09:00 <dtzWill> ka6sox: lmk if/when you try out bt keyboard, i'm curious
Aug 09 09:09:20 <ka6sox> should know in about 5 mins or less.
Aug 09 09:09:20 <dtzWill> it's important to me, but i don't switch bt keyboard to tp very often b/c i also use it to contorl my media center which gerst used daily
Aug 09 09:09:33 <dtzWill> ka6sox: haha kk. great :D
Aug 09 09:10:47 <ka6sox> it didn't USED to reserve space for the OSK.
Aug 09 09:11:18 <rwhitby> dtzWill: apple keyboard works
Aug 09 09:11:28 <ka6sox> well...this sucks
Aug 09 09:11:39 <ka6sox> LALALALA
Aug 09 09:11:44 <dtzWill> ka6sox: lol! it has for quite a few versions now D:
Aug 09 09:11:45 <ka6sox> and I have CAPS now
Aug 09 09:12:04 <dtzWill> rwhitby: it does?! :D \o/
Aug 09 09:12:05 <ka6sox> for those of us with BT keyboards this sucks.
Aug 09 09:12:19 <dtzWill> ka6sox: it's reserved space for keyboard for quite a few versions now
Aug 09 09:12:23 <dtzWill> :/
Aug 09 09:12:34 <ka6sox> UYuck!
Aug 09 09:12:45 <ka6sox> whata WASTE
Aug 09 09:12:46 <dtzWill> ka6sox: i can special-make you a built without that space if you'd like :)
Aug 09 09:12:53 <dtzWill> ka6sox: squeaky wheel again ;)
Aug 09 09:13:08 <ka6sox> its like 1/3 of the screen
Aug 09 09:13:18 <dtzWill> lol maybe i should add a command-line option and then either let you change it yourself
Aug 09 09:13:19 <rwhitby> ka6sox: wasted space > not work with onscreen keyboard
Aug 09 09:13:33 <dtzWill> or add xserver-bt_keyboard package :P
Aug 09 09:13:33 <dtzWill> lol
Aug 09 09:13:40 <ka6sox> oaky....understand
Aug 09 09:13:58 <ka6sox> the issue is that now this app is bronken
Aug 09 09:14:02 <ka6sox> and I cna' fix it
Aug 09 09:14:17 <dtzWill> ka6sox: did you see my comment above, bro? I'll make a 'fixed' version for you.
Aug 09 09:14:17 <ka6sox> becasue hte window nadle is below the area  can see
Aug 09 09:14:26 <ka6sox> dtzWill, thansl!
Aug 09 09:14:37 <ka6sox> 'll take you up on it
Aug 09 09:14:44 <ka6sox> he he
Aug 09 09:15:08 <ka6sox> but I can see why
Aug 09 09:15:18 <ka6sox> the keyboard seems to wrok
Aug 09 09:15:22 <ka6sox> let me try tab
Aug 09 09:15:28 <ka6sox> blah blah
Aug 09 09:15:33 <ka6sox> well...
Aug 09 09:15:39 <ka6sox> turns it into spce
Aug 09 09:15:46 <dtzWill> it should do no such thing! :(
Aug 09 09:15:47 <ka6sox> wheee!
Aug 09 09:15:49 <dtzWill> tab works on the vkb lol
Aug 09 09:15:56 <ka6sox> okay
Aug 09 09:16:04 <ka6sox> tab isn't defined in this
Aug 09 09:16:05 <dtzWill> i mean i do believe you, lol
Aug 09 09:16:16 <ka6sox> no, its probably the way th eapp works
Aug 09 09:16:28 <dtzWill> ka6sox: if you have a sec, and tab is doing wrong thing, can you run 'xev' and hit tab and patsebin the corresponding event?
Aug 09 09:16:30 <ka6sox> but dang...this is NCE
Aug 09 09:16:51 <dtzWill> ka6sox: can i just send you patched Xsdl binary for you to drop in?
Aug 09 09:18:10 <dtzWill> "run this binary as root on your device!" /me whistles innocently
Aug 09 09:18:13 <ka6sox> if I can find where it goes.
Aug 09 09:18:20 <ka6sox> then ya
Aug 09 09:18:23 <ka6sox> /usr/bin?
Aug 09 09:18:42 <rwhitby> dtzWill: so, this could be a public release?
Aug 09 09:18:45 <dtzWill> /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xserver/bin/Xsdl
Aug 09 09:18:54 <dtzWill> ka6sox: http://ompldr.org/vOXRqcQ
Aug 09 09:19:05 <ka6sox> dtzWill, thanks...lemme do this.
Aug 09 09:19:15 <dtzWill> ka6sox: wget -O /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xserver/bin/Xsdl http://ompldr.org/vOXRqcQ
Aug 09 09:19:20 <dtzWill> should do the trick, from the device.
Aug 09 09:19:36 <ka6sox> dtzWill, the tabs aren't setup for this device.
Aug 09 09:19:42 <ka6sox> rather the app.
Aug 09 09:19:46 <dtzWill> ah, kk.
Aug 09 09:20:06 <dtzWill> rwhitby: hrm, i'm reluctant but I'm ...aware that I might be dragging that out forever.
Aug 09 09:20:23 <rwhitby> dtzWill: for the features that it has now, what bugs are there?
Aug 09 09:20:25 <dtzWill> for example, still can't do many things on TP regarding escape/control
Aug 09 09:20:56 <rwhitby> well, that's a palm keyboard limitation
Aug 09 09:21:10 <dtzWill> rwhitby: i, uh, don't know of anything i'd explicitly call a 'bug'
Aug 09 09:21:21 <rwhitby> so, do we create a xvkbd package and have xecutah able to launch that?
Aug 09 09:21:33 <dtzWill> but for example idind't bother supporting a few of the vkb characters b/c i don't care about them.
Aug 09 09:21:54 <dtzWill> and i'm sure countless other things of the form "I don't use this, so it might not work"
Aug 09 09:22:03 <dtzWill> but taht's a rather selfish perspective to define a bug against...
Aug 09 09:22:10 <dtzWill> rwhitby: hmmm, i suppose.
Aug 09 09:22:26 <rwhitby> hmm - Esc doesn't work on Apple keyboard
Aug 09 09:22:45 <dtzWill> rwhitby: we could also hijack the 'dismiss' button, for maybe 'control' or something.
Aug 09 09:23:24 <dtzWill> rwhitby: ah, makes sense.  the fix is easy, but don't have the ability to fix that atm (time mostly)
Aug 09 09:23:36 <dtzWill> rwhitby: non-printable characters need special handling in the updated version
Aug 09 09:24:01 <rwhitby> xev doesn't even show the apple keyboard Esc giving an event
Aug 09 09:24:27 <ka6sox> dtzWill, works fine!
Aug 09 09:24:29 <ka6sox> w00t!
Aug 09 09:24:43 <dtzWill> rwhitby: OH, word on the street is that luna om nom's escape
Aug 09 09:24:54 <dtzWill> such that the xserver will never see it
Aug 09 09:26:06 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 09 09:26:12 <ka6sox> okay let me try libreoffice
Aug 09 09:26:15 <rwhitby> so we need an xvkbd
Aug 09 09:26:43 <dtzWill> rwhitby: i'd almost be more inclined to hardcode some space into bottom of xserver, but i'm willing to be told that's silly
Aug 09 09:26:58 <dtzWill> but i guess xvkbd is a lot easier
Aug 09 09:27:03 <ka6sox> a button
Aug 09 09:27:15 <dtzWill> and something somoene other than me can do as easily as i could xD
Aug 09 09:27:16 <ka6sox> a button would be nice for us BT folks :D
Aug 09 09:29:42 <ka6sox> rwhitby, how can we add the non-priveledged non-password user into the chroot?
Aug 09 09:29:59 <ka6sox> I can add it manually right now but...
Aug 09 09:30:12 <ka6sox> it would be nice to be able to create persistent settings.
Aug 09 09:30:36 <rwhitby> ka6sox: add it to the Makefile for ubuntu-chroot-natt
Aug 09 09:30:38 <rwhitby> y
Aug 09 09:31:20 <ka6sox> okay
Aug 09 09:31:32 <rwhitby> in the postinst I guess
Aug 09 09:32:39 * rwhitby bbl - time for scouts
Aug 09 09:36:39 <rwhitby> ka6sox: while there, think of how we can stop it installing if /media/ext3fs is not mounted
Aug 09 09:38:02 <ka6sox> okay...
Aug 09 09:39:46 <ka6sox> I would do the actual "download" of the chroot from our server *after" the app is installed and check for the ext3fs mount first...otherwise fail in post-install
Aug 09 09:45:21 <ka6sox> aha, you check for the existence of /media/ext3fs but not whether its a mountpoint and mounted.
Aug 09 09:55:05 <ka6sox> rwhitby pushed the change
Aug 09 09:55:31 <ka6sox> (for checking to see if ext3fs is mounted)
Aug 09 10:28:56 <ka6sox> added non-priv non-passwd user
Aug 09 10:29:13 <ka6sox> checking to make sure that group has no sudo rights.
Aug 09 10:32:23 <ka6sox> and they don't
Aug 09 10:32:36 <ka6sox> rwhitby, pushed user add change
Aug 09 10:43:42 <ka6sox> control+ anything is being eaten.
Aug 09 10:43:57 <ka6sox> so ctrl+c or ctrl-d don't work.
Aug 09 11:30:31 <rwhitby> ka6sox: doesn't chroot need a path first?
Aug 09 11:31:14 <rwhitby> ka6sox: is that postinst tested?
Aug 09 11:35:06 <rwhitby> ka6sox: reverted those two commits, cause I can't see them working.
Aug 09 11:48:20 <ka6sox> I gave them a path.
Aug 09 11:51:47 <ka6sox> yes the chroot needs a target for the path.
Aug 09 11:51:54 <ka6sox> then it needs a command
Aug 09 11:52:15 <ka6sox> (or it just defaults to whatever shell is available.
Aug 09 11:56:48 <ka6sox> do I need to rebase now?
Aug 09 16:12:35 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill: i think i pissed off the site when i was making ompload for webos
Aug 09 16:12:40 <PuffTheMagic> uploaded too many test ipks
Aug 09 16:12:46 <PuffTheMagic> now it seems like they are banned
Aug 09 16:12:47 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 09 16:12:52 <halfhalo-work> lol
Aug 09 16:12:53 <PuffTheMagic> or something like that
Aug 09 16:12:54 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Aug 09 16:13:28 <PuffTheMagic> the source for ompload is available in git
Aug 09 16:13:35 <PuffTheMagic> we could run our own site ;)
Aug 09 16:13:38 <halfhalo-work> orly
Aug 09 16:13:41 <halfhalo-work> link?
Aug 09 16:14:47 <PuffTheMagic> http://git.omp.am/?p=omploader.git
Aug 09 16:15:51 <PuffTheMagic> +def is_banned(content_type)
Aug 09 16:16:00 <PuffTheMagic> +       return true if content_type[0..9] == 'audio/mpeg'
Aug 09 16:16:00 <PuffTheMagic> +       return true if content_type[0..23] == 'application/octet-stream'
Aug 09 16:16:00 <PuffTheMagic> +       return false
Aug 09 16:16:00 <PuffTheMagic> +end
Aug 09 16:16:00 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill: ^^
Aug 09 16:16:00 <PuffTheMagic> guess thats why ipks dont work any more
Aug 09 16:16:03 <PuffTheMagic> :(
Aug 09 16:20:36 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: lol maybe we should run our own ^.^, useful shit
Aug 09 18:42:13 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, dtzWill is this like for alpha builds?
Aug 09 18:46:58 <PuffTheMagic> its what i used to upload anything that was on my computer
Aug 09 18:47:24 <PuffTheMagic> i liked ompload cause i have this ruby script that lets me upload from bash term
Aug 09 18:47:24 <PuffTheMagic> and it would spit out the url
Aug 09 18:47:31 <PuffTheMagic> which makes it really easy
Aug 09 18:47:31 <PuffTheMagic> similar to the wgetpaste script
Aug 09 18:47:34 <PuffTheMagic> but for omploader
Aug 09 18:47:51 <PuffTheMagic> i need to make a similar script for box.net
Aug 09 19:32:45 <ka6sox> rwhitby, I tested the first one... why did you revert that one?
Aug 09 19:33:10 <ka6sox> I agree the last one had "issues"
Aug 09 19:46:56 <PuffTheMagic> anyone know how to get the font name(s) from a ttf file?
Aug 09 22:04:46 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: does "file" not do it?
Aug 09 22:05:46 <ka6sox> ya, put it in files and have the post-install put them where they should be.
Aug 09 22:06:04 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, nope
Aug 09 22:06:06 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, files?
Aug 09 22:06:20 <ka6sox> ya, some package have "files" dir
Aug 09 22:06:32 <ka6sox> those are things like configs etc.
Aug 09 22:06:39 <PuffTheMagic> example?
Aug 09 22:06:41 <ka6sox> put your fonts in there.
Aug 09 22:06:45 <ka6sox> Optware ones do....
Aug 09 22:06:59 <ka6sox> for things like openssh
Aug 09 22:07:15 <ka6sox> those get put in the proper place.
Aug 09 22:08:34 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: seems to be readable in strings,  wonder if there's a better tool though
Aug 09 22:08:54 <PuffTheMagic> i couldnt find it that way either
Aug 09 22:08:58 <PuffTheMagic> i thought there was a btter tool
Aug 09 22:12:17 <destinal> PuffTheMagic:  on my slackware box  --  ttf2afm /usr/share/fonts/TTF/JamrulNormal.ttf|grep FontName
Aug 09 22:12:25 <destinal> FontName JamrulNormal
Aug 09 22:12:31 <PuffTheMagic> ya thats the tool
Aug 09 22:12:37 <PuffTheMagic> so idk what Type to assign a Font
Aug 09 22:12:43 <PuffTheMagic> doesnt really fit any of the categories
Aug 09 22:14:44 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: looks like the FullName property is more human readable than FontName also
Aug 09 22:17:27 <destinal> eduprey@ice:/usr/share/fonts/TTF$ ttf2afm /usr/share/fonts/TTF/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf |grep Name
Aug 09 22:17:27 <destinal> FontName DejaVuSans-Bold
Aug 09 22:17:27 <destinal> FullName DejaVu Sans Bold
Aug 09 22:17:27 <destinal> FamilyName DejaVu Sans
Aug 09 22:21:13 <ka6sox> ugh...have to leave now.
Aug 10 02:52:44 <scoutcamper>  PuffTheMagic im trying to manually build editah and it is freezing on app start, known "bug"?
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