**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 27 02:59:57 2011 Sep 27 03:08:45 dtzWill, I blew it all up :D Sep 27 03:09:55 i'm pretty sure its because the proper packages.json file is not being made when the ipkg is made. i ran into the same issue before Sep 27 03:13:43 "# install -m 644 icon.png build/$*/usr/palm/applications/${APP_ID}/icon.png" Sep 27 03:13:49 why is that line commented out? Sep 27 03:13:58 its currently unchecked. Sep 27 03:14:15 ka6sox: not on our side it's not :) Sep 27 03:14:15 *and* its being uploaded to the chroot. Sep 27 03:14:23 okay let me push that change. Sep 27 03:14:24 brb Sep 27 03:14:24 i have various fixes i'll commit in a sec Sep 27 03:14:28 mostly of the variety "fix the appid" Sep 27 03:14:35 but something still isn't quite working right. Sep 27 03:14:45 VERSION also has an extra decimal place Sep 27 03:14:48 if my damn ssh wasn't a laggy mofo this would be a lot easier -.- Sep 27 03:14:57 I can't do that? Sep 27 03:15:00 oh... Sep 27 03:15:01 okay Sep 27 03:15:14 thats probably it then. Sep 27 03:15:41 I doubt that's the issue Sep 27 03:16:37 ka6sox: atm the issue is that apt-get doesn't like being scripted Sep 27 03:16:55 or the way we're doing it isn't right. Sep 27 03:17:27 2 issues I've run into. Sep 27 03:17:56 ka6sox: you trimming the version? Sep 27 03:17:57 1st is that the repo doesn't have proper signatures so I have to --force-yes (which I don't like) Sep 27 03:18:08 dtzWill, nope...please just bump it. Sep 27 03:18:17 and straighten out my errro there. Sep 27 03:19:52 2ond is that either I'm not licking it right or its not happy being run that way. Sep 27 03:20:15 because running the prerm script manually works fine each time. Sep 27 03:20:25 but when its called by preware to do its thing it hangs. Sep 27 03:20:56 ka6sox: some fixes commited Sep 27 03:20:56 probably a job control issue Sep 27 03:20:59 *committed, even. Sep 27 03:22:12 ka6sox: the postinst doesn't install xchat atm, fwiw Sep 27 03:22:43 not sure why the icon doesn't show up, either. Sep 27 03:22:47 job control issue I guess. Sep 27 03:22:55 but if you run postinst by hand (i think it needs a terminal to prompt user, but i'ms ure we can fix that) Sep 27 03:23:14 --force-yes -y should solve that. Sep 27 03:23:16 then 'start org.webosinternals.xapps-xchat-ubuntu-natty' works Sep 27 03:23:46 ka6sox: oh, maybe the way we invoke sudo doesn't work? Sep 27 03:24:08 oh that's when invokgin xchat, nvm. Sep 27 03:26:14 the sudo using -u webos is so we can save preferences Sep 27 03:26:22 and run as a non-priv user. Sep 27 03:27:13 I guess I could: Sep 27 03:27:24 chroot ${CHROOT_PATH} /usr/bin/apt-get install ${XAPP_NAME} --force-yes -y & Sep 27 03:27:31 and then watch the logfiles Sep 27 03:27:49 add a logfile entry Sep 27 03:28:03 watch to see that it compleats. Sep 27 03:28:07 or fails Sep 27 03:28:43 ka6sox: i've been logging the output and it looks like it never installs Sep 27 03:28:55 wth Sep 27 03:29:10 https://pastee.org/xyu5r Sep 27 03:29:16 and the script continues executing after that Sep 27 03:29:23 the postinst i mean Sep 27 03:30:20 okay so we need to find out what the errorlog looks like Sep 27 03:30:26 for apt-get Sep 27 03:32:38 chroot ${CHROOT_PATH} /usr/bin/apt-get install ${XAPP_NAME} --force-yes -y chroot ${CHROOT_PATH} /usr/bin/apt-get install ${XAPP_NAME} --force-yes -y 2>&1 >> /tmp/apt.log Sep 27 03:32:57 ha ha Sep 27 03:33:14 chroot ${CHROOT_PATH} /usr/bin/apt-get install ${XAPP_NAME} --force-yes -y 2>&1 >> /tmp/apt.log Sep 27 03:33:32 then we can see errors Sep 27 03:35:08 yeah that's where my pastebin came from Sep 27 03:35:08 :) Sep 27 03:37:47 yuck Sep 27 03:37:56 its a control issue I guess Sep 27 03:38:26 well prerm seems to work ^.^ Sep 27 03:43:16 ka6sox: Sep 27 03:43:22 dpkg: error: error: PATH is not set. Sep 27 03:43:24 ^.^ easy fix Sep 27 03:43:25 * dtzWill does so Sep 27 03:44:35 hooooraayyy Sep 27 03:44:46 does nonworking go to alpha feeds? Sep 27 03:44:58 or is nonworking still for ..nonworking? Sep 27 03:44:59 :) Sep 27 03:45:22 if we have an iconfile and the prerm works then it should be ready Sep 27 03:45:33 nonworking goes nowhere Sep 27 03:45:42 'iconfile'? Sep 27 03:45:46 also, the app still doesn't show up. Sep 27 03:45:58 but the postinstall that i'm about to commit Sep 27 03:46:01 does install xchat Sep 27 03:46:04 which means the upstart invocation works Sep 27 03:46:43 yeppers Sep 27 03:48:01 rwhitby, what is the policy to get from "nonworking" to alpha? Sep 27 03:48:14 hmm prerm is broken, i lied. Sep 27 03:48:20 sticks on "processing triggers for menu" Sep 27 03:48:32 it's built correctly, installs and uninstalls correctly, and works for the author. Sep 27 03:48:50 IOMonster, the wiki page looks great. Awesome to see a visual of what is actually going on Sep 27 03:48:58 but the apt-get command is _done_. Sep 27 03:49:07 is the 'exit 0' at the end required? i'd imagine it defaults to returning that? Sep 27 03:49:19 yes, it was where I was going next Sep 27 03:49:31 but I got stuck in this icon.png missing issue. Sep 27 03:50:51 mkay well pushed some more Sep 27 03:50:53 close to working Sep 27 03:51:12 app showing up and prerm working are remaining issues Sep 27 03:51:49 (fixed up all the upstart/launching/etc issues, and the postinst works here) Sep 27 03:51:57 ka6sox, looks like its all coming along beautifully Sep 27 03:52:00 dtzWill, can you push all that? Sep 27 03:52:09 ka6sox: .:22:49:12:. <+dtzWill> mkay well pushed some more Sep 27 03:52:11 ;) Sep 27 03:52:23 lol Sep 27 03:52:55 installing it, postinst works, 'start org.webosintenrals.xapps-xchat-ubuntu-natty' launches x with xchat Sep 27 03:53:12 (that's what xecutah would do if it had this whitelisted anyway) Sep 27 03:53:40 go go gadget prerm Sep 27 03:53:40 dtzWill, what would happen if ubuntu chroot is already setup with a WM? Sep 27 03:53:45 Jack87: what does that mean? Sep 27 03:53:59 if your chroot has a window manager Sep 27 03:54:12 would it launch xchat on top of the window manager or xchat alone in its own x window? Sep 27 03:54:15 okay, the hell. prerm hangs after the apt-get remove command... Sep 27 03:54:22 but the umount commands run, etc. Sep 27 03:54:36 it's like preware doesnt realize it's done? (probably our fault, but doesn't change the fact) Sep 27 03:54:42 i guess i should say xcard :) Sep 27 03:54:43 * dtzWill reboots and tries again Sep 27 03:55:00 Jack87: well atm it'd launch its own xserver and run it there Sep 27 03:55:14 Jack87: of course it depends what you mean "your chroot has a window manager" Sep 27 03:55:15 perfect! Sep 27 03:55:20 i think thats what it should do Sep 27 03:55:37 dtzWill, sorry i guess i ment desktop enviorment Sep 27 03:55:42 (since afaik there's no official way to do that, just rough support and hackable scripts for people to play with, so cant really reasona bout that environment) Sep 27 03:56:23 nah i wasn't picking wm vs de Sep 27 03:56:34 i just meant, 'how does your wm get executed on xserver startup?' Sep 27 03:56:45 since that is important information to answer if this stuff uses the same code path :) Sep 27 03:56:58 i'm guessing no, unless you did something special/unusual, but who knows. Sep 27 03:57:04 ah.. i cant recall how i set it up.. ill have to look at it Sep 27 03:57:55 as long as the xapps run in their own card running x (lets call it xcard?) while DE/WM is installed on chroot i am happy :) Sep 27 04:00:41 rwhitby: do scripts notify they're done by touching /var/luna/preferences/*? Sep 27 04:01:32 dtzWill, I attempted to install and it failed. Sep 27 04:01:40 ka6sox: bummer Sep 27 04:04:12 let me reboot Sep 27 04:04:19 things are rather confused here. Sep 27 04:04:27 ka6sox: how are you installing it, j/w? Sep 27 04:04:32 and yeah i'm rebooting when things don't look good Sep 27 04:04:32 :)( Sep 27 04:05:36 I am copying over the ipk into the /media/internal and then using preware to install it. Sep 27 04:05:40 kk Sep 27 04:05:50 and you're using the 0.5.4 version not 0.0.5.4? Sep 27 04:06:22 0.5.4 Sep 27 04:08:43 ka6sox: 'git status' says things are clean? Sep 27 04:09:31 I only removed the exit 0 from the prerm Sep 27 04:10:25 j/w, why? Sep 27 04:10:32 test Sep 27 04:10:35 kk Sep 27 04:10:37 dtzWill, did you see the fun previews in xapps wiki (prolly all the stuff you have already played with) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xapps Sep 27 04:12:40 yeah :D Sep 27 04:13:24 i am trying to see how i have my WM setup to start. and if that will have any impact on xapps at all Sep 27 04:13:43 installing gedit to check with that :) Sep 27 04:13:53 dtzWill, where did you set the path? Sep 27 04:13:59 rather PATH for dpkg? Sep 27 04:14:28 that fix didn't get in I don't believe Sep 27 04:15:50 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/log/ thinks i did Sep 27 04:16:05 make sure you 'git pull'd, and to run 'make clobber' 'make package' since we're not bumping version Sep 27 04:16:17 I did... Sep 27 04:16:28 but it is acting like it is lost again. Sep 27 04:19:04 unfortunately I'm gonna hafta back-burner this for now, sorry :). Sep 27 04:19:13 silly deadlines :( Sep 27 04:20:13 sorry I don't see the PATH fix Sep 27 04:20:29 for dpkg so I'll look. Sep 27 04:22:18 * ka6sox is blind Sep 27 04:23:49 ha ha ... Sep 27 04:23:59 I'm frankly surprised that fix works Sep 27 04:24:06 since its outside of the chroot. Sep 27 04:24:13 dtzWill, so in /root/.bashrc i have it setup to "dbus-launch startlxde" Sep 27 04:24:19 at the very end Sep 27 04:24:36 will that conflict at all with how xapps is being setup? Sep 27 04:24:50 its another way to do this. Sep 27 04:25:58 export PATH=$PATH:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin Sep 27 04:25:58 chroot ${CHROOT_PATH} /usr/bin/apt-get install --force-yes -y ${XAPP_NAME} Sep 27 04:26:16 I think the export would need to be inside the chroot. Sep 27 04:26:28 as dpkg runs inside the chroot. Sep 27 04:26:29 if i try to launch an xapp will it still launch the DE in the background since its located in .bashrc ? Sep 27 04:26:38 what is DE? Sep 27 04:26:47 WM desktop enviorment sorry Sep 27 04:26:53 oh Sep 27 04:27:36 Jack87, there is no reason a WM can't be an XApp Sep 27 04:28:14 as it stands my ubuntu chroot launcher sort of is Sep 27 04:28:28 it launches straight to lxde Sep 27 04:28:29 ka6sox: nah the chroot inherits the environment Sep 27 04:28:38 okay Sep 27 04:28:49 or i thought it did. pretty sure. Sep 27 04:28:55 works here :). Sep 27 04:28:57 seem like the xapps may not work well with my setup? Sep 27 04:29:14 Jack87, sure it will Sep 27 04:29:20 it will be in a *different* card. Sep 27 04:29:46 and only launch xchat and not lxde? Sep 27 04:29:51 well if we invoke bash that sources his bashrc, it might be an 'issue' Sep 27 04:30:07 but we can address that moving forward, and i'm not sure that what he's doing is considered a supported use-case. Sep 27 04:30:58 not trying to burn you Jack87 just we can't support arbitrary modifications (although yours seems reasonable), idk what will happen there. Sep 27 04:31:17 dtzWill, its a great way to get into WM from launching ubuntuchroot from xecutah.. but... if we did a seprate xapp for a WM than what i am doing may not be needed at all Sep 27 04:31:53 true story Sep 27 04:32:08 we need a .xinitrc-like thing for chroots.... Sep 27 04:32:21 i have sorta turned my ubuntu chroot launcher into a lxde xapp sort to say Sep 27 04:33:38 dtzWill, xdm Sep 27 04:34:21 is there a "working" package i can test on my device to see what happens? Sep 27 04:34:26 no Sep 27 04:34:39 I've been working for 2days solid on this. Sep 27 04:35:44 preware wont' let me remove this app Sep 27 04:35:56 even though I've manually modded the prerm Sep 27 04:36:07 and told it to just ignore things. Sep 27 04:36:54 sigh. Sep 27 04:37:33 since i have a window of play time thought id ask and test while you guys finish up Sep 27 04:37:35 oh my messages didnt go through. had a network hick up Sep 27 04:37:52 ka6sox: run the prerm by hand Sep 27 04:38:25 "sh /media/cryptofs/.scripts/org.webosinternals.xapps-xchat-ubuntu-natty/pmPreRm" Sep 27 04:38:26 (or so) Sep 27 04:38:45 and then "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.xapps-xchat-ubuntu-natty" to remove the package Sep 27 04:38:58 (modulo any typos, but that looks right here) Sep 27 04:40:33 I can't find the .scripts Sep 27 04:41:05 add .../apps/... Sep 27 04:44:46 oh for the scripts, yeah, rwhitby's right. sorry about that. ssh died on my tp and it's across the room to keep me productive ;) Sep 27 04:47:28 okay, now I am back to something reasonable. Sep 27 04:48:40 but it still wont' install Sep 27 04:51:29 dtzWill, this is almost comical. Sep 27 04:51:39 it hung...says it installed. Sep 27 04:51:49 (at least preware thinks it is) Sep 27 04:51:54 ka6sox: if you add ">& /tmp/install.log" to the apt-get install line, do you get anything useful? Sep 27 04:52:30 let me reboot...its unhappy Sep 27 04:52:33 preware doesn't have anything to do with /var/luna/preferences, BTW Sep 27 04:52:47 not sure why those two lines are there Sep 27 04:53:48 I am not sure where you are looking? Sep 27 04:54:02 postinst, line 60 Sep 27 04:56:42 ka6sox: the ipkg log is empty cause you've got BLDFLAGS=-p Sep 27 05:00:31 :/ Sep 27 05:01:42 rwhitby, are you fixing those or am I? Sep 27 05:06:23 * ka6sox does not want to get cross threaded. Sep 27 05:07:16 is there any potential risks with mounting /media/internal in the chroot? Sep 27 05:07:23 huge Sep 27 05:07:42 ka6sox, let me move that to #webos-internals Sep 27 05:07:54 please no Sep 27 05:08:03 sigh. Sep 27 05:08:07 oops Sep 27 05:08:08 lol Sep 27 05:08:16 i figured it wasnt part of the topic here Sep 27 05:08:32 its development right? Sep 27 05:08:44 ka6sox: I'm not changing anything Sep 27 05:08:48 i suppose (more me being ignorent user) Sep 27 05:09:20 ka6sox, what are the risks i should watch out for? Sep 27 05:10:52 ka6sox, so far its been working pretty well Sep 27 05:11:13 till an OTA or a USB drive event. Sep 27 05:12:05 i have stopped my OTA for this reason (also figure ext3fs is not really OTA safe anyway) Sep 27 05:12:34 and as long as i am smart enough to unmount for usb drive events (which is what i have been doing) is it ok? Sep 27 05:12:55 or were those just two examples of a bigger mess i might run into Sep 27 05:13:41 rwhitby, what BLDFLAGS should I set it to? Sep 27 05:14:03 -p means let Palm do the postinst. lack of -p means let preware do the postinst Sep 27 05:14:24 -p is only for thing which have to be installable by palm-install Sep 27 05:14:30 usually, you leave it off Sep 27 05:14:42 xecutah has that on. Sep 27 05:14:58 ka6sox, by the way. i think i am just going to check and see what happens if i try to do usb event while mounted in chroot Sep 27 05:15:10 Jack87, I already know Sep 27 05:16:16 ka6sox, nothing exploded everything is working as it should Sep 27 05:16:43 Jack87, if you are editing a file that is in /media/internal from the chroot...it abends. Sep 27 05:16:53 i jsut need to remount in chroot looks like Sep 27 05:17:29 it unmounted from chroot when i did usb drive Sep 27 05:17:32 if you are writing to a file in /media/internal when it takes it things get UGLY. Sep 27 05:18:09 oh ya.. that i would imagine so. just as you pull a flash drive while writing Sep 27 05:18:12 because the chroot knows *nothing* of the USB event. Sep 27 05:19:28 * Jack87 makes note to self.. dont mess with USB while running chroot Sep 27 05:19:48 while /media/internal is MOUNTED in chroot. Sep 27 05:21:43 ka6sox, i auto mount /media/inernals when running chroot (really handy to store and get data from it) Sep 27 05:23:58 how do you assure that it cleans up afterwards and doesn't leave it bind mounted? Sep 27 05:24:44 im not sure. i suppose i can setup a launcher that unmounts for me.. but i dont know as if i really need to worry about it Sep 27 05:24:54 when xcard is closed chroot is closed right? Sep 27 05:25:20 check to see what bind mounts are left Sep 27 05:25:25 you would be surprised. Sep 27 05:33:10 okay so I'm down to 1 last thing Sep 27 05:33:17 it doesnt show up in the launcher Sep 27 05:35:38 make that 2 Sep 27 05:35:45 prerm still is broken. Sep 27 05:35:56 but at least now I have logs Sep 27 05:39:41 why does sh pmPreRemove.script Sep 27 05:39:51 work and the prerm not? Sep 27 05:47:16 I guess I'm done. Sep 27 05:47:23 its broken and I can't fix it. Sep 27 05:58:34 rwhitby, everything is pushed back into git, but I am out of ideas. Sep 27 06:20:50 dtzWill: have you seen how splashtop remote does the keyboard? Sep 27 06:23:05 rwhitby, could it be that the prerm is getting hung up on the abnormal exit code of the chroot? Sep 27 06:23:56 rwhitby: i have not. should i? Sep 27 06:24:04 dtzWill: yep Sep 27 06:26:07 dtzWill, its pretty neat stuff Sep 27 06:26:15 i only saw a screenshot Sep 27 06:30:13 so what's policy on 'stealing' their UI ideas? Sep 27 06:30:18 if nothing else mght be useful for consistency reasons Sep 27 06:30:42 dtzWill, quake uses ui ideas from other games :) Sep 27 06:30:43 and i'm looking at it now, screenshot, will burn some promo $$ on it in abit Sep 27 06:31:17 dtzWill, its on sale for $10 right now.. normally $20 from what the article said Sep 27 06:31:37 mostly just the joystick Sep 27 06:31:43 it's $5 now Sep 27 06:32:29 dtzWill, oh haha! nm. thanks for the heads up.. im totally getting it in that case Sep 27 06:32:40 yeah, all the people who bought it 8 hours ago at $10 are angry :) Sep 27 06:32:47 pisses me off though that TP and phone version are not a hybird app Sep 27 06:33:12 but thats developer choice Sep 27 06:33:45 Jack87: almost impossible to do that with PDK apps Sep 27 06:33:50 i personally think its unfair and would create hybrid but thats me Sep 27 06:34:03 rwhitby, ah is that the reason? Sep 27 06:34:34 mojo+enyo=easy. pdk=hard. Sep 27 06:35:10 so the ipk cant just include 2 apps in it and distribute according to device? Sep 27 06:35:31 how would it do that, for a PDK app? Sep 27 06:38:06 hum. i guess i dont quit understand how pdk apps install Sep 27 06:55:11 rwhitby: howdy Sep 27 06:55:48 IOMonster: I thought the requester app was going to call SuDoh app directly, rather than through the service? Sep 27 06:56:10 i was reading up on launch parameters, it seems that it's more complex to have the 3rd party use launch parameters Sep 27 06:56:24 a service call actually is easier for the 3rd party to implement Sep 27 06:56:35 and it also allows for 2 way communication with ease Sep 27 06:56:57 hmm - 2 way. that is a good point. Sep 27 06:57:12 service calls are super easy to do from both enyo and mojo Sep 27 06:57:15 we had this issue with Govnah where apps like ModeSwitcher call it. Sep 27 06:57:19 versus launch options that are pretty complex Sep 27 06:57:36 we can use launch options for internal service <-> application calls though Sep 27 06:57:51 for verification, we can just check the appid of the calling app Sep 27 06:57:57 got Govnah we did it like this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Govnah#Developer_Notes Sep 27 06:58:07 if the service is called by com.webosinternals.sudoh, it'll just allow it Sep 27 06:58:45 yeah the govnah call looks pretty easy Sep 27 06:58:50 but a service call is easier Sep 27 06:59:15 yeah, calling the service, whilst much harder for us to implement, will indeed be easier for the requester app Sep 27 06:59:32 does the api docs look complete to you? Sep 27 06:59:38 so we'll need a proof of concept of this multi-directional calling :) Sep 27 06:59:52 haha yep Sep 27 07:01:01 in fact I'm not sure that the initial request can be suspended for all the intervening stuff to happen before a reply comes back Sep 27 07:01:55 dtzWill, i just bought it for 5 bucks Sep 27 07:01:58 i'm not sure what you mean Sep 27 07:02:07 when the initial request is passed to the service Sep 27 07:02:17 the 3rd party application will register a servicehandler Sep 27 07:02:20 or whatever it's called Sep 27 07:02:26 and enyo/mojo will just wait for a response Sep 27 07:04:31 ...i need to come up with an icon for Sudoh Sep 27 07:04:42 is there an open source palm icon template? Sep 27 07:06:14 IOMonster, at the right time that can probably be done. Sep 27 07:06:23 the icon? Sep 27 07:06:26 yes Sep 27 07:06:43 ah, i was just gonna knock something quick out just for fun Sep 27 07:06:52 but if you've got a gfx designer, great Sep 27 07:06:58 i'll just stick to the UI Sep 27 07:07:06 stick to the UI. Sep 27 07:07:13 yessir Sep 27 07:08:42 I'm going to short circuit the whole prerm issue by not trying to un-install the app in the chroot but rather just disconnect it from the webOS side like is being done with the chroot. Sep 27 07:24:51 Jack87: \o/ :). i haven't actually used it yet myself hehe Sep 27 07:25:43 dtzWill, lol me either. just downloaded. ( i am not a big fan of having to install an extra third party server i guess i should of read closly) Sep 27 07:28:38 ka6sox: yes...bed. Sep 27 07:28:42 * dtzWill hides under covers from WIDK Sep 27 07:29:17 you will notice I told him you went to bed. Sep 27 07:29:19 dtzWill, haha goodnight Sep 27 07:30:06 ka6sox: hehe yep Sep 27 07:33:45 * Jack87 wishes splashtop had linux streamer Sep 27 07:41:11 seems like it works similar to vnc Sep 27 07:56:50 okay I made the prerm just like xterm and it still fails Sep 27 07:57:16 so either I'm not setting things up in the right places for preware to remove it correctly or something. Sep 27 08:16:41 ka6sox: o_O Sep 27 08:16:52 that's very very strange. Sep 27 09:07:50 okay, this is very very strange Sep 27 09:08:11 and I'm sure is the complete cause of the issue Sep 27 09:08:57 APPID is org.webosinternals.xapps-xchat-ubuntu-natty Sep 27 09:09:37 xchat is installed with APPID=org.webosinternals.xapps-xchat-ubuntu Sep 27 09:10:21 so prerm for *-natty says "dunno what you are talking about"??? Sep 27 09:10:58 also the icon is attached to the non-existent xapps-xchat-ubuntu Sep 27 09:11:33 this is borne out because in order for me to remove the xapp (inside the chroot) Sep 27 09:12:09 I need to sh pmPreRemove in ~apps/.scripts/org.webosinternals.xapps-xchat-ubuntu Sep 27 11:19:45 ka6sox: did you update the appinfo.json ? Sep 27 11:21:00 doesn't the build do that? Sep 27 11:21:09 I did add UiRevison : 2 Sep 27 11:21:45 that would explain something being installed with the wrong appid Sep 27 11:22:13 I figured out that issue Sep 27 11:22:18 ok Sep 27 11:22:29 the prerm on the old one removed the app Sep 27 11:22:32 the new one didn't Sep 27 11:22:54 so when I ran pmPrePremove from the old one it removed the app. Sep 27 11:23:13 I still have the 2 issues though Sep 27 11:23:25 prerm thru preware hangs Sep 27 11:23:29 and no iconfile Sep 27 11:23:36 (on launcher) Sep 27 11:25:20 I have pushed everything back to nonworking/xapps-xchat-ubuntu-natty Sep 27 16:31:34 zz_ka6sox, *facepalm* appinfo.json is looking for an index.html that we dont have in the app Sep 27 16:33:49 but that didnt fix it :/ Sep 27 17:53:31 ka6sox, i fixed the icon issue Sep 27 17:53:34 pushed to repo Sep 27 17:54:25 * scoutcamper is off to class now, bbiab\ Sep 27 17:58:25 ty...laters Sep 27 19:00:02 * scoutcamper returns Sep 27 19:02:01 ka6sox, is it working or you? Sep 27 19:02:21 for* Sep 27 19:04:59 dunno...2900' up in the air. Sep 27 19:08:24 brb. reboot Sep 27 19:17:37 I wonder if I can make the touchpad pulseaudio to play over network, anybody played with the pulseaudio? Sep 27 19:17:56 I can get the sound played in command line to play over the network, but stuff from luna remains silent Sep 27 19:19:19 heh, and make it per-app and it'll be brilliant xD Sep 27 19:19:33 ka6sox, so, you see that if you comment out the message and changelog fields in makefile for appinfo.json it works, if you add those fields luna throws a "Unable to parse appinfo.json" error Sep 27 19:19:39 well I would settle for global, then just make an app that can switch that Sep 27 19:19:42 "send music player to my speakers across the room" Sep 27 19:19:47 dtzWill, ^^ Sep 27 19:19:53 but yeah global would be great for sure Sep 27 19:20:13 it would be so cool to use the touchpad as the music playing device :) Sep 27 19:20:33 i think next step is to patch xecutah, ka6sox, is that correct? Sep 27 19:20:52 and since my PC is the only gateway to the speakers the pulseaudio over network would be perfect, don't want any crappy bluetooth audio which would be doable for sure Sep 27 19:21:16 sconix: yeah, i use myriad mpd clients to get that effect, but they don't have the native webos goodness feel (since no one's made a touchpad mpc :() Sep 27 19:21:33 but I think this is doable since the command line playing works already, I think its just about mapping some stuff so that it gets routed correctly etc. Sep 27 19:21:48 yep, agreed. Sep 27 19:23:33 the beats audio is pretty cool. Sep 27 19:23:38 a music app would be nice too D: Sep 27 19:23:59 scoutcamper, nope Sep 27 19:24:18 not until 3 of us can build it, install it, remove it, and see the icon. Sep 27 19:27:18 ka6sox, yes, i meant after that Sep 27 19:34:35 once its approved then yes, we will provide a patch Sep 27 19:37:12 dtzWill, feel like test building xapps? Sep 27 19:37:48 sure :). figure out the pr/appinfo.json issues? Sep 27 19:38:05 (happy tot est, but light on time i can throw at debugging, sorry) Sep 27 19:38:26 (are changes push'd?) Sep 27 19:38:37 dtzWill, if it fails the build,install,remove test that is sufficient. Sep 27 19:39:00 (why the hell did i "abbreviated" "pushed" to "push'd"?? guess it was more of a verb-ification of a command, but still) Sep 27 19:41:22 scoutcamper, prep the patch to main-assistant.js in xecutah and send it to me. Sep 27 19:42:09 ka6sox, send a .diff or the modified file? or both? Sep 27 19:42:19 "patch" Sep 27 19:43:54 ka6sox, scoutcamper: installed and icon appears Sep 27 19:44:24 kicking the upstart job... Sep 27 19:44:52 xchat started Sep 27 19:45:10 w00t Sep 27 19:45:48 now, heres hoping it builds right for ka6sox and rwhitby Sep 27 19:46:12 uninstalled Sep 27 19:46:22 cleanly Sep 27 19:46:38 seems good to me Sep 27 19:46:45 * dtzWill gives it his alpha approval for sure Sep 27 19:46:58 * scoutcamper as well Sep 27 20:26:41 scoutcamper|away, well..it built Sep 27 20:27:22 I want to stream FLAC to my tp Sep 27 21:14:43 ka6sox, built and? Sep 27 21:15:33 just built...dont' have TP with me. Sep 27 21:16:02 lol Sep 27 21:18:43 I *do* have to work occasionally :P Sep 27 21:22:17 thats what they all say Sep 27 22:31:04 any pointers how one could build pulseaudio for the device? Sep 27 22:32:08 sconix, I thought it was already there. Sep 27 22:32:15 if not we can build it. Sep 27 22:32:35 it is but I would like to have one module that they did not include Sep 27 22:34:06 ah Sep 27 22:34:36 pulseaudio is in WIDK isn't it? Sep 27 22:34:48 I dont' know pulse at all...but some allow you to build external modules if you have the revision. Sep 27 22:34:53 linuxjacques, maybe so. dunno Sep 27 22:35:17 at least I could not find it in widk, although I have quite old version installed Sep 27 22:39:38 I don't have a WIDK VM running right now to check Sep 27 22:43:07 but in the case widk does not have it I should be able to download the pulseaudio source from palm opensource and compile it with widk right? Sep 27 22:47:04 as long as you have all the patches you need then yes:D Sep 27 22:50:22 sounds like I have no change getting it done :( Sep 27 22:52:07 sure Sep 27 22:52:19 you have a better chance than me! Sep 27 23:00:19 dtzWill, http://ompldr.org/vYWs2Ng/wterm_2011-27-09_185605.png Sep 27 23:07:38 PuffTheMagic, fancy Sep 27 23:07:58 esc and ctrl works ;) Sep 27 23:24:21 PuffTheMagic, thats pertty bad ass an nice keyboard layout Sep 27 23:24:36 PuffTheMagic, what does fn do? Sep 27 23:24:50 i think fn+up == pgup Sep 27 23:24:53 and same for down Sep 27 23:25:00 idk what else yet Sep 27 23:25:11 cool Sep 27 23:25:31 was this a side thing you been working on? Sep 27 23:25:52 i needed a way to execute code in Tide so that it could build projects Sep 27 23:26:00 which got me looking at nodes tty module Sep 27 23:26:11 i then realized I could make a whole term in JS Sep 27 23:26:13 rooted Sep 27 23:26:14 Tide is really going to be full featured isnt it Sep 27 23:27:35 Jack87, so the keyboard in wterm uses multitouch events from webkit Sep 27 23:27:42 which allowes the corded key combos Sep 27 23:27:47 and normal like typing Sep 27 23:27:53 pretty happy how that worked out Sep 27 23:28:02 very nice Sep 27 23:28:10 and the display is by html5 canvas Sep 27 23:28:17 so it has the potential to be pretty fast Sep 27 23:28:26 can you scroll in terminal window? Sep 27 23:28:28 once the code i borrowed for that is optimized for webos Sep 27 23:28:53 Jack87, thats what shift+up/down or pgup/pgdn will do Sep 27 23:29:18 ah ok sweet Sep 27 23:56:33 ka6sox: I'm wondering if the xapps apps need the xapps- prefix on the appid ? Sep 27 23:57:21 rwhitby, what I'd like to do is have a section called XApps in the git and all the apps that use this method will be in there. Sep 27 23:58:18 they don't "need" it but that does distinguish them from SDL or native apps. Sep 27 23:58:20 rwhitby, they are significently different than webos apps so it be nice to differentiate them somehow Sep 27 23:58:35 ka6sox: yep, we can add an xapps git section like we have an x11 section Sep 27 23:58:45 yes, please. Sep 27 23:59:18 ka6sox: you mean the source git repo, not build.git, right? Sep 27 23:59:26 source git repo Sep 27 23:59:29 xapps-xchat is working smoothly so far with patched executah Sep 27 23:59:44 and then we will do the makefile that pulls in the source-git Sep 27 23:59:50 works alongside rest of x11 without glitches so far Sep 28 00:00:00 ka6sox: so git clone ...:xapps/xchat-ubuntu-natty.git instead of :applications/... Sep 28 00:00:07 yes Sep 28 00:00:13 yes please. Sep 28 00:00:56 Jack87, you wont' notice unless Luna has a hairball. Sep 28 00:01:57 ill keep em going for awhile Sep 28 00:02:02 im good at breaking things Sep 28 00:02:07 if it can be broken ill do it :) Sep 28 00:02:29 Jack87, thats why we love you :D Sep 28 00:03:17 Jack87, gogogo find bugs Sep 28 00:03:49 * Jack87 is going to go eat take a nap and prolly do some homework right now.. will keep playing with it andif i notice anything ill report Sep 28 00:04:03 Jack87, hook it up to znc Sep 28 00:04:07 I do. Sep 28 00:05:55 zncing now Sep 28 00:05:57 sweetness Sep 28 00:06:25 can we keep logs with this thing Sep 28 00:06:51 maybe....I do Sep 28 00:07:14 it used chromium as my file manager Sep 28 00:07:46 ya, that comes from some other browser that does the same thing. Sep 28 00:08:02 ka6sox: I don't see any candidate repos for moving under xapps category in source repo Sep 28 00:08:26 rwhitby, does not compute. Sep 28 00:08:37 are you referring to bad makefiles or ?? Sep 28 00:08:55 ka6sox: where's the repo which you want to put under xapps/ in git source repos? Sep 28 00:09:02 (not build.git) Sep 28 00:09:04 ka6sox, we need to enable right click somehow Sep 28 00:09:16 for all xapps Sep 28 00:09:21 Jack87, wait one please. Sep 28 00:09:41 rwhitby, i was workign directly in build/nonworking/xapps* Sep 28 00:09:54 which I recognize now is a misteak. Sep 28 00:10:14 so that one should go to xapps:xchat-ubuntu-natty.git Sep 28 00:10:22 home/webos/.xchat2/xchatlogs are where my logs are being kept coolness Sep 28 00:10:51 right...you couldn't do that if we didn't have the webos user. Sep 28 00:11:10 its a non-priv chroot user with no sudo privs at all. Sep 28 00:11:32 its perfect for xapps Sep 28 00:12:40 its also why it doesnt mess with my other chroot which has jack user and lxde Sep 28 00:12:48 Jack87, what I need is a 2 finger touch that becomes "right click" Sep 28 00:13:15 its touch then the second finger Sep 28 00:13:36 so touch the location you are going to right click then second touch while holding. Sep 28 00:14:05 but thats a whole nother kettle of fish. Sep 28 00:14:23 ka6sox, check /msg for right click idea Sep 28 00:14:35 Jack87, email it. Sep 28 00:14:41 I am falling over. Sep 28 00:14:46 haha okie dokie Sep 28 00:15:15 be sure to take a peak at it before you leave Sep 28 00:17:49 email sent Sep 28 00:19:07 ty Sep 28 00:19:17 so what I need to do is... Sep 28 00:19:25 move repo where it belongs Sep 28 00:19:55 and then create a Alpha Makefile for when its ready to release. Sep 28 00:21:04 ZNCing likea champ and logging everything Sep 28 01:50:07 dtzWill, you about? Sep 28 02:01:10 -ish. paper deadline thursday :). what's up? Sep 28 02:02:06 go bak to it Sep 28 02:02:15 I just needed a quick tester Sep 28 02:11:45 kk sorry O:) Sep 28 02:12:51 np..work/school comes first. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 28 02:59:56 2011