**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 03 02:59:57 2012 Jan 03 03:39:13 elpollodiablo1: how do you want to be identified in the commits and eventually the changelog? Jan 03 04:09:25 dtzWill, ping Jan 03 05:22:45 elpollodiablo1: yt? Jan 03 05:22:50 PuffTheMagic: pong-ish Jan 03 05:24:21 dtzWill, i could use your help on wTerm getting the display to resize Jan 03 05:24:30 it goes weird on my when i try Jan 03 05:25:18 :( Jan 03 05:51:01 bummers Jan 03 06:01:10 PuffTheMagic: i'll take a look later if you haven't figured it out, was sorting out some x stuff and now dinner :) Jan 03 06:01:13 but glad to help if/as i can Jan 03 06:01:17 elpollodiablo1: https://github.com/dtzWill/xserver_webos/tree/improved_input Jan 03 06:01:53 give that a look, i reworked things some (incl some bug fixes, and hopefully no regressions ;)) Jan 03 06:02:03 and would like you to make sure it's acting the way it was before/works well/etc Jan 03 06:02:28 dtzWill, can you remind me sometime of the args for the fonts...I had to doctor and lost them. Jan 03 06:02:30 only non-bug-fixing-difference is that right-click is generated at location of first finger Jan 03 06:02:59 elpollodiablo1: but if you like the other way better/think others will, that's fine too Jan 03 06:04:15 bug-fixes are things like drag generates the delayed mouse event from the first tap, so that dragging small title bars works better, since mousedown starts where you tap not 10+ pixels away Jan 03 06:04:20 anyway lmk Jan 03 06:04:30 oh and rebased onto 1.9.3.902 but that shouldn't be a big deal Jan 03 06:04:34 * dtzWill runs to dinner Jan 03 06:04:37 gogogo Jan 03 06:04:39 ka6sox: don't remember, uh... -fa something? Jan 03 06:04:47 -fn something? Jan 03 06:04:50 don't remember, sorry. :) Jan 03 06:04:52 something like that. Jan 03 06:04:53 laters Jan 03 06:04:57 cya ^.^ Jan 03 07:30:16 elpollodiablo1: once/if you approve it, i'll push to alpha or so Jan 03 07:31:18 :D Jan 03 07:31:22 why I am I Up? Jan 03 07:31:33 whoops Jan 03 07:40:50 rwhitby: thoughts on moving xecutah to github? Jan 03 07:40:58 just wondering how/where to go to update it Jan 03 07:41:22 (or issue pull request, as appropriate :)) Jan 03 07:49:06 dtzWill: I'll move it tonight Jan 03 07:50:04 rwhitby: sounds good :). just wanna update the help text about xserver :) Jan 03 07:50:30 well, we'll see in the pull request i'll make later/tomorrow :) Jan 03 07:58:37 welp i'm impatient and we have alpha feeds for a reason O:) Jan 03 07:58:46 pushed, hopefully will hit feeds soon-ish Jan 03 09:06:04 dtzWill, so its -fa foo and -fs size Jan 03 09:06:29 if we baked those options in right Jan 03 09:11:42 dtzWill: Xecutah moved to github Jan 03 09:14:08 we should also specify the BOLD and double width fonts too. Jan 03 09:15:42 so -fb for the BOLD Jan 03 09:16:16 just getting it into the record so I can find it later. Jan 03 14:22:19 dtzWill, i got it working Jan 03 14:22:35 i had to reinitialize opengl stuff after setting a new video mode Jan 03 16:34:53 dtzWill: sorry I wasnt around last night I am looking through the changes you have made right now. Jan 03 16:53:54 I have been using the right click as the 2nd fingers coordinate, i will play around with it the first fingers location tonight and see if I have a preference. Jan 03 16:59:14 I thought I had a reason for keeping it with the 2nd finger location but I cant think of it right now Jan 03 18:03:47 ka6sox-away: great, does it work? (font size/selection via -fa -fs?) Jan 03 18:03:54 rwhitby: great, ty :) Jan 03 18:04:50 PuffTheMagic: very glad you figured it out, and not something i knew--not a problem you face writing non-plugins much :) Jan 03 18:04:56 I didn't have time last night as my wife had "other" plans. Jan 03 18:05:44 elpollodiablo1_: lmk how it goes, i'm happy either way Jan 03 18:07:04 ka6sox-away: haha :) Jan 03 18:07:18 dtzWill: I will let you know this evening once I get home from work, thanks for cleaning it up as well, when I look at your code and commenting, definatly puts my work to shame. Jan 03 18:08:16 elpollodiablo1_: no shame at all, it's *collaboration* :) Jan 03 18:08:53 now to figure out how i botched the alpha build, since i just tested it on my pre3 and it doesn't seem to be any different Jan 03 18:08:56 to the debug-mobile! Jan 03 18:08:59 elpollodiablo1, if you saw the stuff that I do, yours is beautiful :D Jan 03 18:09:46 ha ha, glad I dont get judged on how pretty my coding is Jan 03 18:12:03 since most of the stuff has been moved to github, were these changes accounted for in the WIDK? Jan 03 18:12:28 elpollodiablo1_: nah esp since you did the hard work reasoning it all out and making it happen :D Jan 03 18:12:42 elpollodiablo1_: should be, i tagged it as v0.9.7 and updated the WIDK Jan 03 18:12:53 i thought about moving the WIDK over but @.@ hah Jan 03 18:14:56 speaking of reasoning it all out, I came up with two different approaches, that was definatly the part that took the most time, just understand how it should all act with which fingers and how the sdl and mouse events were acting. Jan 03 18:16:33 * dtzWill nods, agreed that's the meat of the work Jan 03 18:16:44 dtzWill: how do you normal identify people in the comments and changelog? real names, screennames, nicknames? Jan 03 18:17:23 does anyone here have alpha-apps enabled on their TP? if so could you try out xserver 0.9.7? should support right-click and dynamically showing/hiding the keyboard Jan 03 18:17:52 elpollodiablo1_: whatever they prefer :). Jan 03 18:18:52 if you'd prefer i change it, lmk and i can do so Jan 03 18:19:05 esp on the public-facing things like changelogs and forum posts that's easy Jan 03 18:21:45 oh alright right now you have it as elpollodiablo? Jan 03 18:22:28 yep, i guess i err on using the nicks people interface with others as Jan 03 18:22:59 since that's already 'public' information, and some people get grumpy if you publish their real name (esp if my primary source for that is only the email used to contact me privately :)) Jan 03 18:23:09 sorry for not better consulting ya on it :) was itching to push it out :3 Jan 03 18:23:30 nah it is good Jan 03 18:23:36 kk :) Jan 03 18:24:49 github's "refresh at will" makes me chuckle Jan 03 18:24:50 this is my first code published as a *collaborator* Jan 03 18:24:57 yay for name being common english word Jan 03 18:26:11 elpollodiablo1_: oh? well you do get pretty much full credit for it anyway :). should be nice since this is a rattherr popularly requested feature :) Jan 03 18:26:56 you can stick with my screen name, and if you used the name from the email I sent you wasnt real anyway. lol but I wouldnt have cared if you used my real name either. Jan 03 18:27:44 yeah I know ever since you put the post on p|c about some one working on it, no one made any more comments so I figured I might as well finish what I started. Jan 03 18:27:58 xD :D Jan 03 18:28:06 and if nothing else now we get to use it and enjoy :) Jan 03 18:28:13 \o/ working on things you personally find useful Jan 03 18:28:38 it is good you didnt that, I am normally happy with work arounds or it working with minor issues, but that isnt a good approach when releasing to public Jan 03 18:29:58 oh yeah it is super useful to me, I use it almost daily to vnc into my desktop from ubuntu on the TP Jan 03 18:35:44 elpollodiablo1_: j/w, what orientation do you generally use? Jan 03 18:36:33 landscape Jan 03 18:37:10 speakers towards me, not sure how that translates to Xserver orientation Jan 03 18:37:25 elpollodiablo1_: nope, perfect answer. and how i use it too Jan 03 18:37:35 i ask b/c iirc that's the natural framebuffer orientation as well Jan 03 18:37:42 I didnt test it in other orientations, so hopefully those still work Jan 03 18:38:05 and as such there's a branch i've been playing with that has *much* improved rendering speed, but it only works reasonably in that particular orientation Jan 03 18:38:24 until we hav xrandr going there is only Landscape right? Jan 03 18:38:45 ka6sox-away: you can always use other orientations based on how your device's acelerometer reports things at startup Jan 03 18:38:54 err hold your device portrait, it'll start in portrait Jan 03 18:39:03 aha! Jan 03 18:39:04 okay Jan 03 18:39:06 xrandr support is for changing on-the-fly Jan 03 18:39:21 kk...did not know that...do now :D Jan 03 18:40:46 I remember you talking about the much improved rendering speeds a few months ago Jan 03 18:41:09 yeppers, and i'd like to get that out to people. esp in cases like yours (vnc, etc) it seems super useful Jan 03 18:41:19 but also makes things like watching videos more acceptable, etc Jan 03 18:41:29 you think it would be worth it for me to test it for you? Jan 03 18:41:38 and you just answered that Jan 03 18:42:35 small issue about the way i abuse the framebuffer that needs to be nicer when other apps are running :) Jan 03 18:42:36 is that the framebuffer branch on github? Jan 03 18:43:01 yeppers, although i was considering doing a decently destructive rebasing Jan 03 18:43:07 but yeah it's there (was on the old repo too) Jan 03 18:44:12 oh thank god might have a dedicated programmer hired onto our team at work/school xD Jan 03 18:44:25 hooray for that. and unrelated (/me looks at topic), whoopsy Jan 03 18:44:31 O:) Jan 03 18:49:05 congrats...should make life easier. Jan 03 18:49:23 so you can have more time to hack on webOS projects. Jan 03 18:49:49 hmm, I need more of those then Jan 03 18:50:06 all we have is a bright-eyed bushy-tailed intern Jan 03 18:53:30 so does everyone in here have a programming based degree? Jan 03 19:00:41 * oilsworkn has no degree Jan 03 19:01:58 or in programming based industry? Jan 03 19:02:32 * oilsworkn is in produce industry Jan 03 19:03:56 good to see other recreational programmers Jan 03 19:04:10 i mean, i do write code at work Jan 03 19:04:52 but that's just for in-house use Jan 03 19:04:57 lol well then that counts Jan 03 19:05:03 lol Jan 03 19:05:09 that is what I do as well Jan 03 19:05:13 degree? thats one of them fancy things I get after I pay all this money and years? Jan 03 19:05:47 sounds like a waste of time and money Jan 03 19:07:49 just trying to figure out who are the self taught and the professionally taught coders in here are. Jan 03 19:12:08 Professionaly taught coders? Theoretically I'm getting one as an assistant at work, which is both sad and funny.... Jan 03 19:30:08 ... "robustification" is actually a word? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustification ) LOL Jan 03 19:32:05 well sure, Truthiness is :P Jan 03 19:45:10 i'm writing a blurb for what i've done on a project, and i swear it's one of the hardest things ever xD Jan 03 19:45:18 * dtzWill needs to level his language/PR skills Jan 03 19:47:27 dtzWill: i hear ya, i suck at that part Jan 03 19:47:44 it usually comes down to "i made this thing, i think its awesome, use it if you want to" Jan 03 19:48:12 yeah. hard part is this is a 'CREDITS' file in a much larger project--so i want to brag/be proud of what i've done yet not step on toes of those who actually built the damn thing Jan 03 19:48:28 line between too boastful and too humble, and of course /honest/ :) Jan 03 19:48:49 yeah Jan 03 20:45:01 dtzWill: of course robustification is a word! :) Jan 04 01:06:31 dtzWill: I am testing xserver with you updates Jan 04 01:08:36 might have noticed on little tweak I dont believe it is something you introduced but it doesnt seem like click and drag is starting from where my finger was tapped but it seems like it start a few pixals over Jan 04 01:10:26 isnt a big issue just kind of a pain when you are highlighting text, does that sound like correct behavior? Jan 04 01:15:05 other then that all seems to be working the same **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 02:59:58 2012