**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 20 02:59:57 2012
Jan 20 03:18:06 <dtzWill> [A
Jan 20 03:19:05 <PuffTheMagic> yos
Jan 20 03:19:18 <PuffTheMagic> how did your shit go today?
Jan 20 03:23:38 <dtzWill> eek re [A lol
Jan 20 03:24:14 <dtzWill> went wonderfully, ty for asking.  honestly a bit overwhelmed with how well it went in terms of the feedback and post-presentation discussions and the like
Jan 20 03:24:20 <dtzWill> although i'm damn exhausted haha
Jan 20 03:24:32 <dtzWill> passed out 2-6, went to dinner with the group to be social and am exhausted still
Jan 20 03:24:42 <dtzWill> would crash 'cept i wanna be sleepy for the flight back tomorrow :)
Jan 20 03:24:50 <dtzWill> esp since the plane won't have internet
Jan 20 03:25:03 <dtzWill> did you guys sort out the emacs issue?
Jan 20 03:25:20 <dtzWill> (and j/w what's the vi bug via ssh? :))
Jan 20 03:26:21 <PuffTheMagic> ya emacs issue is fixed
Jan 20 03:26:27 <PuffTheMagic> currently working on the erase bug
Jan 20 03:26:46 <PuffTheMagic> i dont fully understand the vi over ssh bug cause i dont get it
Jan 20 03:26:49 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: multi-card wterm is critical for the end goal of being able to dev wterm on wterm 
Jan 20 03:26:50 <PuffTheMagic> but there is def issue with ssh
Jan 20 03:27:02 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill, multi-card wterm is done
Jan 20 03:27:05 <PuffTheMagic> and already released
Jan 20 03:27:36 <dtzWill> sorry i'd have alredy written "so thank you for doing that" if i wasn't lagging like a madman
Jan 20 03:27:47 <dtzWill> apparently madmen are laggy as shit, in case you didn't know.
Jan 20 03:27:54 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Jan 20 03:27:55 * dtzWill finds phone charger so he can tether
Jan 20 03:28:11 <PuffTheMagic> the multi card wterm was like 2 lines of code
Jan 20 03:28:22 <dtzWill> using freetether :D
Jan 20 03:28:28 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Jan 20 03:28:42 <PuffTheMagic> looking at the erase code I see is has more issues than I though
Jan 20 03:28:56 <PuffTheMagic> he actually removes cells in the buffer
Jan 20 03:29:03 <PuffTheMagic> instead of replacing them with spaces
Jan 20 03:32:17 <PuffTheMagic> all the operations need to ensure that the buffer lines have a min length of at least the width of the term
Jan 20 03:36:16 <dtzWill> so here's a question
Jan 20 03:36:22 <dtzWill> why don't we just define the screen as a grid
Jan 20 03:36:30 <dtzWill> and to hell with this nonsense
Jan 20 03:36:34 <dtzWill> serious question
Jan 20 03:36:34 <dtzWill> lol
Jan 20 03:36:40 <PuffTheMagic> resizing?
Jan 20 03:36:50 <dtzWill> well right so then you size the grid
Jan 20 03:37:31 <dtzWill> but okay what i'm getting at is it seems simpler if the code never had a nothing character for a cell
Jan 20 03:37:34 <PuffTheMagic> thats basically what we have now
Jan 20 03:37:42 <dtzWill> since what we're suggesting is erasing to blanks
Jan 20 03:37:42 <dtzWill> okay
Jan 20 03:38:10 <PuffTheMagic> its not that a cell has a nothing character
Jan 20 03:38:18 <dtzWill> just that invariants like that makes things a lot easier to reason about
Jan 20 03:38:22 <PuffTheMagic> its that the "term" is a vectors of vectors
Jan 20 03:38:31 <PuffTheMagic> so the length of a line varries
Jan 20 03:38:37 <dtzWill> well sure, we put nullbytes there to indicate it's unused when erasing or when it's not initialized
Jan 20 03:38:40 <dtzWill> well it *can* vary
Jan 20 03:38:55 <dtzWill> there's no reaso we don't prepopulate it with ' 's and just never ever put a nullbyte there
Jan 20 03:39:17 <dtzWill> i imagine that optimization was much more important b/c of the slow rendering
Jan 20 03:39:54 <dtzWill> well anyway i'll save ideas like that for another time perhaps, but the important thing i was trying to get at is that there's not externally visible difference between a cell that has a  blank and a null-byte
Jan 20 03:40:03 <PuffTheMagic> again, its not like thre are null bytes
Jan 20 03:40:07 <PuffTheMagic> there are no null bytes
Jan 20 03:40:15 <PuffTheMagic> the length of the line is changing
Jan 20 03:40:59 <PuffTheMagic> when a char is deleted at location x,y a space should be appended at the end of the line
Jan 20 03:41:19 <PuffTheMagic> and when a char is erased it should be erased with a space
Jan 20 03:41:26 <PuffTheMagic> hmm
Jan 20 03:41:29 <dtzWill> right but is the notino of 'line length' an actual thing terminals do
Jan 20 03:41:40 <PuffTheMagic> but then again, there is a separate vector for the graphics states
Jan 20 03:41:48 <dtzWill> or just we happen to not use the full line until some operation goes over there, after which we erase to blanks
Jan 20 03:41:57 <PuffTheMagic> not sure why there are 2 variables, 1 for text and 1 for gs
Jan 20 03:43:46 <dtzWill> (idk)
Jan 20 03:48:46 <dtzWill> wonder what's wrong with the ipkg vim.
Jan 20 03:48:59 <dtzWill> maybe building my own would work better? (misc changes, etc....)
Jan 20 03:49:25 <PuffTheMagic> ya i was considering that today to
Jan 20 03:50:03 <PuffTheMagic> when i ssh into my desktop and use the vim there is perfect
Jan 20 03:50:47 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill, we should probably package it up for preware
Jan 20 03:50:53 <PuffTheMagic> get it building in build.git
Jan 20 03:58:55 <dtzWill> yay it built on device
Jan 20 03:58:57 * dtzWill verifies it actually runs
Jan 20 03:59:45 <dtzWill> hmm does wterm have any tricks in postinst? or can i just clone the app dir and modify the appinfo.json?
Jan 20 03:59:58 <dtzWill> looking to have a test version since i can't very well overwrite my currently running one
Jan 20 04:00:04 <dtzWill> if i'm using wterm to hack on wterm
Jan 20 04:01:19 <PuffTheMagic_> just a postint to add vttest to path
Jan 20 04:01:43 <dtzWill> hahaha it runs fine
Jan 20 04:01:52 <dtzWill> had to run it with pwd set to the appdir
Jan 20 04:01:56 <dtzWill> but still
Jan 20 04:02:08 <dtzWill> err and idk if i needed to but dropped the napp_plugin_id, and LD_ values from my env
Jan 20 04:04:08 <dtzWill> interesting result: control-c is eaten when run standalone
Jan 20 04:04:16 <dtzWill> as are control-v, and control-a
Jan 20 04:06:02 <PuffTheMagic_> what was those last 2 lines about
Jan 20 04:10:50 <dtzWill> oh to run it in non-plugin mode from a wterm instance
Jan 20 04:11:19 <dtzWill> i dropped some things from my env, idk if i needed to (tried it before thinking to change my working directory to the app dir, since that's where we expect to load resources from using relative paths)
Jan 20 04:11:32 <dtzWill> and then when launched that way control-c and control-v don't work
Jan 20 05:09:33 <PuffTheMagic> anyone know how to use irssi with bip?
Jan 20 05:10:29 <dwc-> bip?
Jan 20 05:11:12 * rwhitby uses bip, but not irssi
Jan 20 05:11:46 <PuffTheMagic> or znc
Jan 20 05:11:55 <PuffTheMagic> i dont get how to get irssi working with a bouncer
Jan 20 05:28:40 <dwc-> oh
Jan 20 05:28:54 <dwc-> I use irssi as a "bouncer" but that's it
Jan 20 05:49:46 <PuffTheMagic> got bip working in irssi
Jan 20 05:50:18 <PuffTheMagic> how do i scroll up/down
Jan 20 05:53:39 * PuffTheMagic wishes he could scroll
Jan 20 06:43:39 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: /sb goto -20
Jan 20 06:43:46 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: /sb goto +20
Jan 20 06:44:12 <dtzWill> /help scrollback
Jan 20 06:54:09 <booto> PuffTheMagic: do you have an esc key?
Jan 20 06:57:00 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: can you explain the logic used for the key handling (esp control, etc)? do we have a source for that?
Jan 20 07:00:45 <PuffTheMagic> logic
Jan 20 07:00:52 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jan 20 07:02:11 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: the code in the braces for the condition "if ( mod & KMOD_CONTROL)"
Jan 20 07:02:33 <dtzWill> so many magic numbers :)
Jan 20 07:03:10 <dtzWill> trying to make it work for other things, just wondering what inspired that encoding.
Jan 20 07:03:39 <PuffTheMagic> well it would be simpler if sdl had syms for uppercase
Jan 20 07:03:53 <PuffTheMagic> then they all woulc be -64
Jan 20 07:05:29 <PuffTheMagic> what doesnt work?
Jan 20 07:06:13 <booto> PuffTheMagic: if you have an esc handy, but no alt, esc,p and esc,n can go up/down buffer (like pgup/pgdn), or alt-p/alt-n (in irssi)
Jan 20 07:06:52 <PuffTheMagic> i have alt and esc
Jan 20 07:08:52 <PuffTheMagic> ahhh
Jan 20 07:09:19 <PuffTheMagic> the prob is that scrolling is broke for xterm
Jan 20 07:09:28 <PuffTheMagic> works for rxvt
Jan 20 07:16:02 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill: so what is the issue with ctrl
Jan 20 07:19:18 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill, http://www.asciitable.com/
Jan 20 07:19:35 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ that should help u understand what is happening with ctrl
Jan 20 07:19:48 <PuffTheMagic> if ctrl+ anything in the 3rd column is pressed
Jan 20 07:20:03 <PuffTheMagic> its -64
Jan 20 07:20:22 <PuffTheMagic> but SDL doesnt have sym codes for upper case just lower case
Jan 20 07:20:41 <PuffTheMagic> so when A is pressed u get sym 97 instead of 65
Jan 20 07:30:58 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: bit why do you shift by 64 when control is pressed?
Jan 20 07:31:31 <dtzWill> i mean i understand *what* it does, my question is 'why'.  is there a particular standard control-modifier encoding that adheres to?
Jan 20 07:32:40 <dtzWill> all i found was a leonerd.org.uk/hacks/fixterms page
Jan 20 07:33:24 <dtzWill> anyway i don't know, i was just curious.
Jan 20 07:33:33 <dtzWill> what doesn't work is control+"various things"
Jan 20 07:33:41 <dtzWill> where "various things" i've tried is '\' and '/'
Jan 20 07:34:03 <dtzWill> and so i wanted to understand how the existing stuff worked :)
Jan 20 07:34:40 <PuffTheMagic> vttest
Jan 20 07:34:48 <PuffTheMagic> thats all i can say
Jan 20 07:35:37 <dtzWill> okay, so you reverse engineered the encoding
Jan 20 07:35:49 <PuffTheMagic> basically
Jan 20 07:35:51 <dtzWill> based on when the lights went off on vttest? or from it's matching source code?
Jan 20 07:35:58 <dtzWill> kk
Jan 20 07:36:08 <dtzWill> well that's damn useful for verifying any changes i make anyway
Jan 20 07:36:49 <PuffTheMagic> i mean i think it makes sense
Jan 20 07:37:08 <PuffTheMagic> but ive seen no offical docs about ctrl bindings
Jan 20 07:47:42 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill: what dont work that u r trying to fix?
Jan 20 08:04:49 <dtzWill> well control-\\
Jan 20 08:04:52 <dtzWill> err control-\
Jan 20 08:05:35 <dtzWill> but also figure out how to do it 'right' regardless instead adding a one-off again
Jan 20 08:08:19 <dtzWill> fwiw
Jan 20 08:08:46 <dtzWill> http://www.leonerd.org.uk/hacks/fixterms seems useful
Jan 20 08:09:04 <dtzWill> while not authoritative, perhaps, certainly useful
Jan 20 08:10:11 <dtzWill> also shows how we might insert arbitrary utf8 characters, with modifier support
Jan 20 08:19:19 <PuffTheMagic> merged
Jan 20 08:21:08 <dtzWill> zomg thank god for optware
Jan 20 08:21:19 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jan 20 08:21:33 <dtzWill> ipkg-opt install coreutils zsh less grep ..... etc
Jan 20 08:21:45 <dtzWill> so not stuck with crappy busybox versions
Jan 20 08:22:13 <PuffTheMagic> gottapackage up vim
Jan 20 08:25:07 <dtzWill> vim seems to work fine for me atm
Jan 20 08:25:16 <dtzWill> i think not using busybox sh helps
Jan 20 08:25:22 <dtzWill> but that's a tad unfounded
Jan 20 08:25:41 <dtzWill> i also dropped those LD_* env vars too which might've helped
Jan 20 08:26:01 <dtzWill> not saying it's advice per se, but now that you mention it it seems to be fine now
Jan 20 08:26:19 <dtzWill> well other than we don't handle all its codes properly quite yet
Jan 20 08:29:21 <PuffTheMagic> latest wterm shoudlnt have those in their env
Jan 20 08:30:25 <dtzWill> oh, okay
Jan 20 08:30:32 <PuffTheMagic> and vim is still broke for me
Jan 20 08:30:42 <dtzWill> even using a non-lame shell? :(
Jan 20 08:30:55 <PuffTheMagic> bash
Jan 20 08:32:55 <dtzWill> real bash, not busybox bash?
Jan 20 08:33:06 <dtzWill> bummer
Jan 20 08:33:09 <PuffTheMagic> what escape codes are u seeing in vim?
Jan 20 08:33:14 <PuffTheMagic> ya real bash
Jan 20 08:34:52 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: weirdness when scrolling
Jan 20 08:35:03 <dtzWill> text not being updated right, and what looks like stale graphicstates
Jan 20 08:35:09 <dtzWill> (not sure, clearly)
Jan 20 08:35:19 <dtzWill> looking into erase thing first
Jan 20 08:35:47 <dtzWill> if you're bored could you try vim with zsh?  it honestl is working fine for me, complete with my own .vimrc and such
Jan 20 08:37:45 <PuffTheMagic> ya scrollig is not right
Jan 20 08:39:29 <PuffTheMagic> zsh is horribly broke on wterm
Jan 20 08:39:43 <PuffTheMagic> and vim still broke
Jan 20 08:49:57 <dtzWill> bummer
Jan 20 08:50:15 <dtzWill> vim working here crash-wise, idk what that's about
Jan 20 08:50:40 <PuffTheMagic> crash wise?
Jan 20 08:50:53 <PuffTheMagic> what was broke about it for u/
Jan 20 08:53:37 <dtzWill> oh previously it'd instacash
Jan 20 08:53:39 <dtzWill> crash
Jan 20 08:53:49 <PuffTheMagic> ah
Jan 20 08:54:00 <PuffTheMagic> never craahed for me
Jan 20 08:54:08 <PuffTheMagic> but cursor keys are fucked
Jan 20 08:54:47 <dwc-> insta-crash? hmm, wonder if it crashes if you re-set LD_PRELOAD ...
Jan 20 08:55:20 <PuffTheMagic> it never crashed for me
Jan 20 08:55:36 <PuffTheMagic> even before we removed -p
Jan 20 08:56:28 <dwc-> guess I should install vim
Jan 20 09:07:25 * dwc- needs to start assigning static leases to his webos devices
Jan 20 09:07:56 <dwc-> my touchpad is either not on my wifi, or sshd isn't answering
Jan 20 09:08:19 * dwc- puts off vim install until it doesn't involve an extra trip out of bed
Jan 20 09:09:06 <dtzWill> dwc-: :D
Jan 20 09:32:56 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: re: the erase bug, any more test cases besides htop and that escape sequene you gave me?
Jan 20 09:33:13 <dtzWill> (i believe it's fixed)
Jan 20 09:43:00 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: do you know what escapes are used for scrolling?
Jan 20 10:01:19 <dtzWill> hmm sees vim is using delete lines
Jan 20 11:52:54 <Brybry> dtzWill: this is what I've seen of bt key differences/issues so far https://gist.github.com/1646976
Jan 20 11:53:38 <Brybry> amazingly none of the alt key combinations have issues
Jan 20 16:11:47 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill, no pull request?
Jan 20 16:12:04 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill, well i gave u 6 pull requests
Jan 20 16:13:35 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Jan 20 16:13:55 <PuffTheMagic> now i see it
Jan 20 16:14:03 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Jan 20 16:14:10 <PuffTheMagic> that was the Control- one
Jan 20 16:38:30 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill, just merged your fix for htop
Jan 20 16:38:46 <PuffTheMagic> i cant believe what you did is all it took
Jan 20 16:39:00 <PuffTheMagic> i guess i dont understand the graphics state code in this app
Jan 20 16:39:03 <PuffTheMagic> however
Jan 20 16:39:12 <PuffTheMagic> character attributes need to be reset
Jan 20 16:39:21 <PuffTheMagic> like underline and blink
Jan 20 16:39:36 <PuffTheMagic> the echo test still fails
Jan 20 16:45:34 <PuffTheMagic> fails 2 echo tests
Jan 20 16:45:57 <PuffTheMagic> dtzWill, echo -e -n "\e[2J\e[20;20H\e[1;4;5;44mHello\e[J\e[m\n"
Jan 20 16:46:02 <PuffTheMagic> it doesnt pass that yet
Jan 20 16:51:08 <PuffTheMagic> actually i like this test better echo -e -n "\e#8\e[20;20H\e[1;4;5;44mHello\e[J\e[m\n"
Jan 20 16:51:14 <PuffTheMagic> i will put it in the bug report
Jan 20 16:52:45 <stbuehler> any progress with utf-8?
Jan 20 16:53:19 <PuffTheMagic> nope, im putting it on the backburner till people who need it give more details about its behavior
Jan 20 16:57:22 <stbuehler> damn
Jan 20 16:57:24 <stbuehler> well
Jan 20 16:57:38 <stbuehler> i'm not sure how to handle drawing the characters
Jan 20 16:58:16 <PuffTheMagic> to be honest, i though rendering was already fast before dtzWill added the glyphcache and implemented all the optimizations
Jan 20 16:58:17 <stbuehler> the texture mapping probably won't work with 2^16 chars...
Jan 20 16:59:12 <stbuehler> some basic utf-8 decoding to codepoints is not that difficult
Jan 20 17:42:21 <PuffTheMagic> just "fixed" the erasing behavior
Jan 20 17:42:24 <PuffTheMagic> pushed
Jan 20 17:42:30 <PuffTheMagic> needs a sanity check!
Jan 20 17:44:46 <PuffTheMagic> https://github.com/PuffTheMagic/wTerm/commit/0db4a834103c92b7bd3acbb870d5bfe9611fe5b3
Jan 20 17:55:26 <Brybry> terminal\terminalstate.cpp:293: error: invalid conversion from 'int' to 'TSCharset_t'
Jan 20 17:56:34 <Brybry> hmm
Jan 20 17:56:44 <Brybry> this is what I get for being on windows and not using the same makefile
Jan 20 18:05:18 <PuffTheMagic> easy fix
Jan 20 18:05:30 <PuffTheMagic> but besides that my commit was sorta invasive
Jan 20 18:05:35 <PuffTheMagic> idk how much else i broke
Jan 20 18:05:40 <PuffTheMagic> i also removed a bunch of code
Jan 20 18:05:50 <PuffTheMagic> so that code was either useless or i broke something else ;)
Jan 20 18:07:09 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, just pushed a fix for that issue
Jan 20 18:07:46 <PuffTheMagic> eww
Jan 20 18:08:05 <PuffTheMagic> but i do notice an existing bug now happens more often
Jan 20 18:08:20 <PuffTheMagic> and anyone ever start wterm and all they get is a black screen and cursor in top right
Jan 20 18:08:28 <PuffTheMagic> as if a redraw was skipped or something
Jan 20 18:10:53 <Brybry> at first I thought the new removeGraphicsState function was some crazy illogical recursive function :D
Jan 20 18:10:57 <Brybry> yeah, sometimes
Jan 20 18:11:25 <Brybry> I feel like it's SDLWaiting when it does that
Jan 20 18:11:40 <Brybry> but then it doesn't entirely make sense to me as the blink thread should keep it fairly awake
Jan 20 18:11:43 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, we might need an initial SDL_Pump or something
Jan 20 18:16:35 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, so u said at first... does it make more sense now?
Jan 20 18:19:38 <PuffTheMagic> why does our event loop use SDL_WaitEvent and SDL_PollEvent?
Jan 20 18:19:39 <Brybry> looks like it should work fine to me though maybe slightly inefficient
Jan 20 18:19:51 <Brybry> SDL_WaitEvent blocks/is really efficient idling
Jan 20 18:19:58 <PuffTheMagic> right....
Jan 20 18:20:01 <Brybry> it's better than SDL_Delay even from my understanding
Jan 20 18:20:02 <PuffTheMagic> but why the polling?
Jan 20 18:20:23 <Brybry> to clear out the event stack
Jan 20 18:20:37 <Brybry> or are you asking why not loop with SDL_WaitEvent or something?
Jan 20 18:20:45 <PuffTheMagic> ya basically
Jan 20 18:21:07 <PuffTheMagic> but i get why
Jan 20 18:21:12 <PuffTheMagic> never mind
Jan 20 18:22:22 <Brybry> if removeGraphicsState is going to get called a lot we might want to write it a tiny bit more efficiently but it's not a big deal either way
Jan 20 18:22:35 <PuffTheMagic> oh im sure it can be more efficient
Jan 20 18:22:46 <Brybry> don't really need the first line and last line checks in there every loop
Jan 20 18:23:05 <Brybry> small potatoes though
Jan 20 18:25:33 <PuffTheMagic> well this last change has actualyl caused the no render bug to happen every time
Jan 20 18:27:46 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, if the graphics state vector was changed to be similar to the data buffer vectors
Jan 20 18:27:59 <PuffTheMagic> when we could do more batch operation for setting the graphics state
Jan 20 18:36:54 <PuffTheMagic> oops
Jan 20 18:37:02 <PuffTheMagic> i think i see how i could have simplified something
Jan 20 19:00:04 <PuffTheMagic> i dont understand c++ iterators
Jan 20 19:17:30 <PuffTheMagic> fuck it
Jan 20 19:17:40 <PuffTheMagic> someone who undersands c++ can optimize this
Jan 20 21:20:15 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic: sent a pull request for orientation fix stuff again, I missed a case (if someone set rotation lock while the application was running it could lead to the wrong keyboard showing)
Jan 20 21:21:21 <PuffTheMagic> already merged
Jan 20 21:22:16 <PuffTheMagic> i got the just type action working
Jan 20 21:22:16 <PuffTheMagic> sorta
Jan 20 21:22:20 <PuffTheMagic> there is a race
Jan 20 21:22:23 <PuffTheMagic> which im trying to make not a race
Jan 20 21:24:05 <PuffTheMagic> but i cant figure out how to make it not a race because we have to wait for something in a forked child process
Jan 20 21:44:41 <halfhalo> testy test http://www.ustream.tv/channel/scale-10x
Jan 20 21:48:08 <dwc-> did you bring the windows laptop again
Jan 20 21:48:43 <dwc-> taht social stream is disturbing, btw... I hope that's some stock thing
Jan 20 21:49:38 <halfhalo> it is stock
Jan 20 21:49:42 <halfhalo> and windows _desktop_
Jan 20 21:51:05 <halfhalo> now I'm bored
Jan 20 21:51:14 <halfhalo> and that is a very sensitive mic
Jan 20 21:52:03 <dwc-> y'all are boring
Jan 20 21:52:12 <halfhalo> just setting stuff up
Jan 20 21:53:25 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, u finish that slideshow?
Jan 20 21:53:39 <halfhalo> ya
Jan 20 21:56:16 <PuffTheMagic> looks like it hasnt changed
Jan 20 21:56:31 <scoutcamper> aha
Jan 20 21:57:16 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, this show is boring, smile for the camera
Jan 20 21:57:30 <halfhalo> camera is pointed away from me atm
Jan 20 21:57:40 <PuffTheMagic> walk to the other side
Jan 20 21:57:43 <dwc-> camera angle looks a little high anyways
Jan 20 21:57:45 <halfhalo> I'm setting something else up atm
Jan 20 21:57:55 <halfhalo> and it is a tad high, but it works for viewing people
Jan 20 21:58:18 <PuffTheMagic> thats a busy conference
Jan 20 21:58:20 <dwc-> that's true. we want to see the booth babes, not you anyways
Jan 20 21:58:32 <halfhalo> only setting stuff up
Jan 20 21:58:49 <dwc-> expo wasn't open the first day last year, iirc
Jan 20 21:58:54 <halfhalo> yup
Jan 20 21:59:19 <dwc-> HP got a booth again this year?
Jan 20 21:59:25 <halfhalo> yup
Jan 20 21:59:36 <dwc-> I guess all they can raffle off this year is touchpads
Jan 20 21:59:42 <halfhalo> mebe
Jan 20 22:00:37 <dwc-> I see a halfhalo
Jan 20 22:00:41 <scoutcamper> me to
Jan 20 22:00:46 <PuffTheMagic> nice guns
Jan 20 22:01:36 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 20 22:02:29 <PuffTheMagic> who are these ganstas?
Jan 20 22:02:30 <dwc-> say hi to bem for me
Jan 20 22:02:41 <dwc-> and whoever the boxee guy is
Jan 20 22:02:57 <scoutcamper> lol
Jan 20 22:04:51 <PuffTheMagic> these ads are awesome
Jan 20 22:05:07 <dwc-> do channel popout, then there's no ads
Jan 20 22:05:33 <dwc-> either that, or adblock is taking care of me
Jan 20 22:06:04 <Brybry> adblock is taking care of you
Jan 20 22:07:54 <scoutcamper> ...
Jan 20 22:09:04 <PuffTheMagic> off air?
Jan 20 22:09:05 <PuffTheMagic> wtf
Jan 20 22:12:35 <halfhalo> bacxk
Jan 20 22:13:02 <scoutcamper> halfhalo, WOSI=iOS+android?
Jan 20 22:15:22 <Brybry> I feel like I should just have you put in the key repeat stuff and then someone else can make it better/decide if it's better off in its own thread or what
Jan 20 22:15:45 <PuffTheMagic> im afraid of the keyrepeat while we have the stuck key issue
Jan 20 22:16:14 <PuffTheMagic> the web browser
Jan 20 22:16:15 <PuffTheMagic> the web browser
Jan 20 22:16:17 <PuffTheMagic> the web browser
Jan 20 22:16:34 <Brybry> mmm
Jan 20 22:16:39 <Brybry> the key stuck issue with key repeat is not a problem
Jan 20 22:16:54 <PuffTheMagic> how is it not?
Jan 20 22:16:56 <Brybry> at least, I don't think it is
Jan 20 22:17:06 <Brybry> it wasn't last time I tried it
Jan 20 22:17:08 <scoutcamper> blackberrys browser is meh, slightly better than webos.
Jan 20 22:17:27 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, who is this guy?
Jan 20 22:17:37 <scoutcamper> halfhalo, ^^
Jan 20 22:17:47 <dwc-> friend of mine
Jan 20 22:17:54 <dwc-> works for snapfish
Jan 20 22:18:36 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic, I think it's not a problem because the stuck key issue still requires a key up to happen on other keys which resets the key repeat
Jan 20 22:19:08 <PuffTheMagic> requires a key up?
Jan 20 22:19:14 <dwc-> he "dragged" me to scale9x last year
Jan 20 22:19:25 <Brybry> yeah, I have an 'H' stuck down right now but no repeating H
Jan 20 22:19:34 <Brybry> I dunno how to say it
Jan 20 22:19:51 <Brybry> can you get a stuck key without hitting multiple keys/firing off a key up for at least one key?
Jan 20 22:20:43 <PuffTheMagic> idk, send me the request
Jan 20 22:20:47 <PuffTheMagic> i can always murder you later
Jan 20 22:21:52 <PuffTheMagic> so where is the updated slideshow?
Jan 20 22:29:28 <Brybry> I found something where the stuck key bug sucks =(
Jan 20 22:29:30 <Brybry> shift key
Jan 20 22:29:43 <Brybry> but I don't think that's key repeat related
Jan 20 22:29:52 <PuffTheMagic> ya the stuck key bug sucks for sure
Jan 20 22:30:51 <Brybry> I was playing around with drag events and setting keys down on dragstart and stuff and it seemed to help some cases but I think it was just treating the syptom and not the problem
Jan 20 22:30:59 <Brybry> we'll figure it out one day
Jan 20 23:07:29 <Brybry> I love that I can launch multiple wterms and navigate amongst them and dismiss them without ever actually touching my touchpad
Jan 20 23:12:43 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Jan 20 23:49:49 <Brybry> I think we need to tell someone at HP about them breaking ctrl+a/c/v (and probably the other 'eaten' ctrl codes) and maybe ask them if they can still pass along the events after doing their copy/paste/select stuff
Jan 20 23:49:57 <Brybry> and then pray and wait a very long time for the next patch
Jan 21 02:29:12 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, ya it should be a selectable mode for the keyboard
Jan 21 02:29:15 <PuffTheMagic> not something forced
Jan 21 02:29:56 <PuffTheMagic> just like text input boxes have ways of setting behavior of typed text
Jan 21 02:30:00 <PuffTheMagic> like auto correct, etc
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