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Jan 30 03:02:53 <stbuehler> kk
Jan 30 03:03:52 <stbuehler> pull req incoming :)
Jan 30 03:04:31 <stbuehler> hm
Jan 30 03:04:34 <stbuehler> needs another moment
Jan 30 03:04:35 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jan 30 03:04:38 <PuffTheMagic> no prob
Jan 30 03:05:00 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, i will push something to alpha feed in ~1 hour after I watch the good wife
Jan 30 03:05:18 <ka6sox> kk..thansk
Jan 30 03:09:29 <stbuehler> hm, i didn't "fix" it, but it doesn't crash anymore
Jan 30 03:43:56 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: well, i'm done for tonight - have fun with vt52 :) gn8
Jan 30 04:02:09 <PuffTheMagic> night
Jan 30 04:06:46 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, nice, re: vt52
Jan 30 04:30:03 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, just pushed 0.3.99 to alpha feed
Jan 30 04:33:17 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, let me know what testers think
Jan 30 04:33:51 <ka6sox> thanks
Jan 30 05:47:08 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, rwhitby wterm is now showing up on http://ipkg.preware.org/alpha/apps/armv7/
Jan 30 05:47:21 <PuffTheMagic> ahh
Jan 30 05:47:24 <PuffTheMagic> cause i mesed up the tag
Jan 30 05:48:40 <PuffTheMagic> hmm no the tag is right
Jan 30 05:49:56 <PuffTheMagic> someone broke the makefile ;)
Jan 30 07:11:32 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox: its finally in the feeds
Jan 30 07:14:56 <ka6sox> ty
Jan 30 10:11:50 <stbuehler_wterm> äöü!! ßß?
Jan 30 10:12:00 <stbuehler_wterm> yay :) utf8 working
Jan 30 10:14:27 <ka6sox> oookay
Jan 30 10:15:00 <stbuehler> just had to set the irssi option: /SET term_charset utf-8
Jan 30 10:15:16 <ka6sox> ah...
Jan 30 10:28:05 <stbuehler> my normal irssi setup is a little bit too large... (writing this on my tp via ssh+screen+irssi)
Jan 30 10:50:59 <ka6sox> screen FTW
Jan 30 11:37:44 <stbuehler> actually i wanted to try tmux for some time :)
Jan 30 11:41:00 <ka6sox> I want to switch to byobu, its standard now on later distros
Jan 30 11:43:15 <stbuehler> is it a terminal emulator like xterm and konsole or actually like screen?
Jan 30 11:43:57 <ka6sox> its the latest incarnation of screen I think
Jan 30 11:44:02 <ka6sox> it acts like screen
Jan 30 11:44:26 <stbuehler> why does it depend on screen on tmux? wtf
Jan 30 11:44:41 <ka6sox> I need to get food...this rsync is going to take 24hrs.
Jan 30 11:44:54 <ka6sox> I didn't look @ its deps yet.
Jan 30 11:44:56 <stbuehler> i think this is just a fronted
Jan 30 11:45:03 <stbuehler> which configures screen or tmux
Jan 30 11:45:27 <ka6sox> ah
Jan 30 11:45:28 <ka6sox> okay
Jan 30 11:46:32 <ka6sox> its going to take 4days to move this builder
Jan 30 12:10:41 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: can you explain why wterm is *not* a phony target in the root Makefile?
Jan 30 12:11:23 <stbuehler> it does not depend on the source of the binary (src/plugin/wterm), and it creates another file "setup"
Jan 30 13:00:42 <stbuehler> lol. you should try vttest on a plain linux text console (no X). menu 8 is really funny :)
Jan 30 16:55:46 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, ya the vt52 test is hilarious
Jan 30 17:14:40 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, i thought make targets that made real files were non phony
Jan 30 17:14:56 <PuffTheMagic> i split plugin into wterm and setup though
Jan 30 17:15:04 <PuffTheMagic> so they have their own targets now
Jan 30 17:20:50 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, since i added you as a contributor, that give you perms to merge on your own?
Jan 30 17:20:56 <PuffTheMagic> not that I have a problem with that
Jan 30 17:21:09 <PuffTheMagic> i just want to know if i am imagining needed to pull
Jan 30 17:28:09 <PuffTheMagic> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jan 30 17:28:23 * PuffTheMagic just saw something in the SDL patch from palm
Jan 30 17:29:06 <oilsworkn> oh?
Jan 30 17:31:21 <PuffTheMagic> i was trying to use the unicode parsing in sdl for our fake keyboard input events a while back and tried reusing some code in sdl which should do it
Jan 30 17:31:44 <PuffTheMagic> it required using some ioctls on some ttys
Jan 30 17:31:48 <PuffTheMagic> i tried a bunch of them
Jan 30 17:31:59 <PuffTheMagic> but in the palm patch they use /dev/console
Jan 30 17:32:02 <PuffTheMagic> which i never tested
Jan 30 17:32:03 <PuffTheMagic> :(
Jan 30 17:32:10 <PuffTheMagic> which might explain why i didnt work
Jan 30 17:33:05 <PuffTheMagic> but i might not have to reimplement any of that
Jan 30 17:33:08 <PuffTheMagic> i might be able to use SDL_WebOsEventTranslateKey()
Jan 30 17:59:02 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: yes, contributors have push access
Jan 30 18:00:19 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: well, you are right: phony targets probably shouldn't end up as files
Jan 30 18:02:31 <PuffTheMagic> cool, re: push acess
Jan 30 18:02:44 <PuffTheMagic> you can also close bugs via commits
Jan 30 18:02:53 <PuffTheMagic> with fixes #num
Jan 30 18:02:56 <PuffTheMagic> or closes #num
Jan 30 18:03:00 <PuffTheMagic> there are a few others
Jan 30 18:03:17 <PuffTheMagic> https://github.com/blog/831-issues-2-0-the-next-generation
Jan 30 18:03:27 <oilsworkn> no more redmine?
Jan 30 18:03:45 <PuffTheMagic> im def not using redmine
Jan 30 18:03:52 <PuffTheMagic> for wterm
Jan 30 18:04:05 <PuffTheMagic> i hope we dont use redmine for wirc (if that is gonna move forward)
Jan 30 18:04:05 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 30 18:04:55 <oilsworkn> lol laforge octopus cat?
Jan 30 18:05:05 <stbuehler> well, for larger projects redmine is nice
Jan 30 18:05:14 <stbuehler> but for most things github is good enouch
Jan 30 18:05:16 <stbuehler> enough
Jan 30 18:05:38 <stbuehler> unless you don't like having to rely on github or any other 3rd pary for hosting
Jan 30 18:06:18 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, Brybry so we need to set focus to some non plugin event and manually relay keyboard events to the plugin if we want to support phones
Jan 30 18:06:42 <PuffTheMagic> s/plugin event/plugin object/
Jan 30 18:06:58 <oilsworkn> phone support++
Jan 30 18:07:20 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, it "runs" on my pre3, it just gets no input
Jan 30 18:07:33 <PuffTheMagic> i havent tried on my veer cause i cant find my cable
Jan 30 18:07:40 <oilsworkn> ohh
Jan 30 18:07:40 <PuffTheMagic> and on my pixi the plugin doesnt start for some reason
Jan 30 18:07:43 <PuffTheMagic> need to figure that out
Jan 30 18:07:50 <stbuehler> bbl
Jan 30 18:07:58 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, let me be clearer, it gets no input in hybrid mode
Jan 30 18:08:06 <PuffTheMagic> i can run it standalone and it gets input just fine
Jan 30 18:08:08 <oilsworkn> i think my veer cable is still magnetized to the bottom of my desk for safe keeping lol
Jan 30 18:08:26 <PuffTheMagic> ben said they didnt test enyo hybrids on non 3.x devices
Jan 30 18:08:32 <PuffTheMagic> typical
Jan 30 18:08:34 <oilsworkn> ah
Jan 30 18:08:48 <oilsworkn> i wonder what the difference between enyo/mojo is
Jan 30 18:08:48 <PuffTheMagic> push it out to all devices and ignore a critical component
Jan 30 18:08:55 <oilsworkn> i mean, as far as plugin interface goes
Jan 30 18:09:04 <oilsworkn> its all js, i dont understand how it would be different somehow
Jan 30 18:09:21 <PuffTheMagic> i just started looking into this yesterday so idk
Jan 30 18:09:44 <oilsworkn> sounds like the "hybrids dont work on pixi"
Jan 30 18:09:53 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Jan 30 18:09:53 <oilsworkn> until one of us actually got a pixi and tested it
Jan 30 18:10:14 <PuffTheMagic> well i think i need to go back and look at older mojo wirc code and see how we got the plugin started
Jan 30 18:10:17 <PuffTheMagic> it hink its a similar issue
Jan 30 18:10:20 <PuffTheMagic> but idk
Jan 30 18:10:29 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: https://github.com/stbuehler/wTerm/blob/makefile/Makefile - that is what a clean makefile could look like :)
Jan 30 18:11:14 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, i've never claimed to be a makefile expert
Jan 30 18:11:23 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, you use wterm on TP yet
Jan 30 18:11:58 <oilsworkn> last version i played with was after you first added the keyboard i think?
Jan 30 18:12:05 <PuffTheMagic> really :(
Jan 30 18:12:11 <PuffTheMagic> its gotten so much better since then
Jan 30 18:13:12 <oilsworkn> ill have to give the new stuff a go
Jan 30 18:13:28 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, we are doing to wterm what we did to wirc
Jan 30 18:13:39 <PuffTheMagic> more features and compliance than most desktop terms
Jan 30 18:13:45 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 30 21:04:25 <PuffTheMagic> woot woot
Jan 30 21:04:29 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, I've sent this to our planning team for inclusion in the roadmap.
Jan 30 21:04:50 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ that was in response to my request to allow apps to set how they want keybindings to be handled
Jan 30 21:58:06 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, ping
Jan 30 22:04:47 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, do you know how to parse U+ unicode notation to \u or something else?
Jan 30 22:05:19 <oilsworkn> what, like regex?
Jan 30 22:07:37 <PuffTheMagic> like.. i have a string "U+0076" that I want to be a character '\u0076'
Jan 30 22:09:20 <oilsworkn> string.replace('U+', '\u') ? xD
Jan 30 22:10:59 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Jan 30 22:11:17 <PuffTheMagic> > 'U+0076'.replace('U+', '\u')
Jan 30 22:11:18 <PuffTheMagic> 'u0076'
Jan 30 22:11:18 <PuffTheMagic> > '\u0076'
Jan 30 22:11:18 <PuffTheMagic> 'v'
Jan 30 22:12:25 <oilsworkn> \\u?
Jan 30 22:14:10 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Jan 30 22:14:23 <PuffTheMagic> > 'U+0076'.replace('U+', '\\u')
Jan 30 22:14:23 <PuffTheMagic> '\\u0076'
Jan 30 22:15:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 30 22:17:46 <dwc-> js?
Jan 30 22:18:36 <dwc-> try U\+
Jan 30 22:19:51 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, as the patching pattern or replacement
Jan 30 22:19:56 <dwc-> pattern
Jan 30 22:20:02 <dwc-> the first one is a regex
Jan 30 22:20:27 <PuffTheMagic> ya non of that matters
Jan 30 22:20:51 <oilsworkn> where are you even getting U+0076?
Jan 30 22:21:05 <dwc-> \u0076
Jan 30 22:21:08 <dwc-> javascript:alert('U+0076'.replace('U\+', '\\u'))
Jan 30 22:21:18 * oilsworkn thinks you're looking at the wrong part of the key event
Jan 30 22:21:43 <dwc-> oh, you want it to be a character, not a string?
Jan 30 22:22:06 <oilsworkn> he wants 'U+0076' turned into 'v'
Jan 30 22:23:09 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Jan 30 22:25:16 <dwc-> String.fromCharCode() ?
Jan 30 22:28:38 <stbuehler> or eval :P
Jan 30 22:28:42 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: pong
Jan 30 22:29:33 <dwc-> http://code.cside.com/3rdpage/us/javaUnicode/converter.html
Jan 30 22:29:53 <dwc-> (view source?)
Jan 30 22:30:23 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, i need to go from U+ unicode notation to something our inputhandler in C++ can handle
Jan 30 22:30:39 <PuffTheMagic> tying to populate the unicode field for pushKeyEvent
Jan 30 22:36:36 <stbuehler> where does the U+ stuff come from? anyway, you could parse it in C++ or js; just parse the hex value
Jan 30 22:36:55 <PuffTheMagic> its coming from document.onkeydown
Jan 30 22:39:03 <stbuehler> which attribute of the event object?
Jan 30 22:39:19 <PuffTheMagic> keyIdentifier
Jan 30 22:40:39 <stbuehler> String.fromCharCode(parseInt(e.keyIdentifer.substr(2), 16))
Jan 30 22:40:45 <PuffTheMagic> might need a new plugin call for this
Jan 30 22:43:54 <PuffTheMagic> intput on the pre3 works now :D
Jan 30 22:44:07 <PuffTheMagic> let see if it broke bt keyboard
Jan 30 22:52:16 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, where are you!
Jan 30 23:58:03 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, what phone webos devices do you have?
Jan 31 00:19:29 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: pre- with 2.whatever, and a tp
Jan 31 00:21:08 <PuffTheMagic> you have a franken pre-?
Jan 31 00:21:09 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Jan 31 00:36:52 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic, are you trying to take javascript keyboard events and convert them to something the plugin can understand?
Jan 31 00:37:06 <Brybry> and I was sleeping!
Jan 31 00:37:22 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, pre3 is working
Jan 31 00:37:29 <PuffTheMagic> bt keyboard on TP is working plugin mode
Jan 31 00:37:34 <PuffTheMagic> might have broke it for standalone
Jan 31 00:37:36 <PuffTheMagic> :/
Jan 31 00:39:03 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: franken? o2
Jan 31 00:40:02 <PuffTheMagic> just created a profile for me veer so i could get enyo
Jan 31 00:40:11 <Brybry> it's easier to just redirect the events and let SDL work it out than to convert them yourself (or at least that was how I did it when I had to catch the non-focused bt key input)
Jan 31 00:40:53 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, things are really broke for enyo hybrids on non webos 3.x
Jan 31 00:41:03 <PuffTheMagic> so i had to find a different method
Jan 31 00:41:12 <PuffTheMagic> displatching the event was causing an error
Jan 31 00:41:36 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, feel free to play with it more
Jan 31 00:41:53 <PuffTheMagic> but it took me all day to figure out how to get intput working on the pre3
Jan 31 00:51:07 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, is your franken pre- 2.2+
Jan 31 00:51:08 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jan 31 00:56:50 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: is Pre 3 wTerm in the alpha or beta feeds?
Jan 31 01:00:40 <PuffTheMagic> its not in any feeds yet, im working on making a little aux vkb for function and arrow keys
Jan 31 01:00:49 <PuffTheMagic> then i will push an alpha build
Jan 31 01:00:50 <rwhitby> ok
Jan 31 01:06:32 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: 2.1
Jan 31 01:06:57 <stbuehler> and i'm working on some generic stuff to have async events in sdl
Jan 31 01:06:59 <PuffTheMagic> so i take it the plugins so start for you
Jan 31 01:07:27 <stbuehler> didn't try again today
Jan 31 01:13:35 <Brybry> hmm, I get double input bt keyboard now (in plugin mode)
Jan 31 01:15:14 <PuffTheMagic> did you make clean, or just pull and make
Jan 31 01:15:57 <Brybry> I use a custom build file and never have old object files but I guess it's possible the install didn't overwrite the old binary for some reason
Jan 31 01:15:59 <Brybry> I'll look into it
Jan 31 01:16:14 <Brybry> ah
Jan 31 01:16:26 <Brybry> it's only double when the terminal/plugin has focus
Jan 31 01:16:30 <Brybry> (aka tap it first)
Jan 31 01:16:31 <Brybry> which makes sense
Jan 31 01:16:45 <PuffTheMagic> eww
Jan 31 01:16:53 <PuffTheMagic> yes I see that now
Jan 31 01:17:24 <Brybry> at least that means it still works in standalone!
Jan 31 01:17:50 <PuffTheMagic> why would that have anything to do with standalone?
Jan 31 01:18:58 <Brybry> cause that means it's catching SDL input + javascript fake input?
Jan 31 01:20:48 <Brybry> verified stuff is still fine in standalone
Jan 31 01:21:08 <PuffTheMagic> it did test it and it seemed like it was acting weird for me
Jan 31 01:21:27 <Brybry> well, ctrl+c/some other things won't work but that's not our fault
Jan 31 01:21:41 <PuffTheMagic> even in standalone?
Jan 31 01:21:53 <Brybry> only in standalone
Jan 31 01:22:09 <PuffTheMagic> ctrl+c dont work in plugin mode either i though
Jan 31 01:22:17 <Brybry> ctrl+a is eaten everywhere, ctrl+c/v are eaten standalone but are not eaten in plugin
Jan 31 01:22:20 <Brybry> it's all very beautiful
Jan 31 01:23:32 <PuffTheMagic> ctr+c/v doest work in vttest in plugin mode
Jan 31 01:24:01 <Brybry> it will if you tap the screen
Jan 31 01:24:10 <Brybry> this.pushKeyEvent(1, inEvent.keyCode, String.fromCharCode(parseInt(inEvent.keyIdentifier.substr(2), 16))) <-- eats modifiers
Jan 31 01:24:18 <Brybry> or at least it did when I did it a few weeks ago :D
Jan 31 01:24:52 <PuffTheMagic> why would it only eat ctrl+C/V modifiers?
Jan 31 01:25:02 <Brybry> oh, it shouldn't
Jan 31 01:25:02 <Brybry> hmm
Jan 31 01:26:05 <Brybry> but you're right
Jan 31 01:26:08 <Brybry> that's interesting
Jan 31 01:26:10 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: i think keyIdentifier can be different strings (like "Right" and "Left" instead of "U+*"), right ?
Jan 31 01:26:20 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, yes it can
Jan 31 01:27:17 <stbuehler> i don't see it handling such cases :)
Jan 31 01:27:29 <Brybry> which is why it's odd that it works in other cases
Jan 31 01:27:39 <Brybry> maybe the 'ctrl' down sets focus on the plugin area
Jan 31 01:27:49 <stbuehler> well, if you still get the events twice...
Jan 31 01:28:07 <Brybry> it only gets the events twice if the terminal plugin has focus
Jan 31 01:28:11 <stbuehler> kk
Jan 31 01:35:58 <Brybry> I wish I had a phone to test with =/
Jan 31 01:45:20 <Brybry> trying to remember how I did this before
Jan 31 02:41:44 <Brybry> I wish there were a way to tell if the input was from the phone keyboard or the bt keyboard and then just handle them differently
Jan 31 02:43:56 <PuffTheMagic> there is
Jan 31 02:44:25 <PuffTheMagic> err well
Jan 31 02:44:27 <PuffTheMagic> nm
Jan 31 02:45:03 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, i think you can just disable even propagation to stop the double
Jan 31 02:45:10 <Brybry> yeah
Jan 31 02:45:10 <Brybry> you can
Jan 31 02:46:40 <Brybry> enabling allowKeyboardFocus again also fixes it (or setting the tabIndex) but the bigger problem is handling modifiers
Jan 31 02:46:55 <PuffTheMagic> allowKeyboardFocus fixes it?
Jan 31 02:47:12 <Brybry> yeah, that's why I put it in there in the first place
Jan 31 02:47:17 <Brybry> iirc
Jan 31 02:48:34 <Brybry> when I was trying to get bt focus stuff to work (before I realized I could just pass along the events caught when the plugin isn't focused) I did what we're doing right now
Jan 31 02:48:51 <Brybry> with a regex to check if the unicode were U+blah or not
Jan 31 02:49:52 <Brybry> but I gave up when I realized I'd have to handle each modifier individually
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