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Feb 05 04:26:30 <PuffTheMagic> oil: ping
Feb 05 04:26:39 <oil> hey
Feb 05 04:26:57 <PuffTheMagic> css question
Feb 05 04:27:08 <PuffTheMagic> i have 2 objects i want to put into a flex layout
Feb 05 04:27:32 <PuffTheMagic> i need item1 to be above item2, but i need to create item2 first
Feb 05 04:27:41 <PuffTheMagic> is there a way to pack things bottom up
Feb 05 04:27:56 <oil> i dont think so
Feb 05 04:28:06 <PuffTheMagic> floats wont help?
Feb 05 04:28:14 <oil> with flex, i'm not sure
Feb 05 04:37:54 <PuffTheMagic> im trying to figure out how to render the vkb before the terminal, so that I can set the size of the term when its created with out a 2nd resize of the term
Feb 05 05:51:08 <oil> PuffTheMagic: do two elements how you want them
Feb 05 05:51:19 <oil> but not hte term first, a blank named container to take its place
Feb 05 05:51:22 <oil> then render hte kb
Feb 05 05:51:40 <oil> then put the term window inside that one that is sized already
Feb 05 05:53:30 <PuffTheMagic> hmm
Feb 05 05:53:41 <oil> or maybe that wont work (i dont know how its setup)
Feb 05 05:54:06 <oil> assuming the kb is fixed height
Feb 05 05:54:18 <oil> the empty element should still flex to the height correctly
Feb 05 05:56:34 <stbuehler> tried prepend: true ?
Feb 05 05:57:17 <stbuehler> (enyo.DomNode property)
Feb 05 05:58:51 <PuffTheMagic> no i havent tried prepend
Feb 05 06:58:14 <ka6sox-away> Bribri, so, does it work?
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Feb 05 11:26:35 <Bribri> ka6sox-away, yeah it works fine
Feb 05 18:50:21 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry: you around?
Feb 05 18:56:53 <Brybry> yeah
Feb 05 18:59:35 <PuffTheMagic> im close to pushing a fist cut of some resizing/rotation changes i would like you to test on your devices
Feb 05 19:00:23 <PuffTheMagic> i somehow broke the prefs pullout in the process
Feb 05 19:00:39 <PuffTheMagic> it has nearly no height and does not stick to the right size
Feb 05 19:00:42 <PuffTheMagic> side
Feb 05 19:02:43 <PuffTheMagic> but now that I dont use rotation events I think it can be simplified even more
Feb 05 19:04:30 <Brybry> sure
Feb 05 19:14:09 <PuffTheMagic> i love that enyo is in git now
Feb 05 19:14:15 <PuffTheMagic> and i can can look at source so easily
Feb 05 19:14:29 <halfhalo> woo.  got my script running on linux, and a new exe alias to go with it
Feb 05 19:16:03 <halfhalo> time to tie in a feed parser frigger
Feb 05 19:23:42 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, pushed
Feb 05 19:29:37 <PuffTheMagic> its pretty bad on the 2.1 veer
Feb 05 19:29:51 <PuffTheMagic> and my 2.1 pre2 is in a messed up state
Feb 05 19:30:04 <PuffTheMagic> i need to figure out how to get it to take a rom
Feb 05 19:30:06 <stbuehler> as long as it works on tp :P
Feb 05 19:30:11 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, ++
Feb 05 19:30:32 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, the screen gets corrupted on the veer when in landscape mode
Feb 05 19:30:34 <PuffTheMagic> not sure why
Feb 05 19:30:39 <PuffTheMagic> it eventually crashes luna
Feb 05 19:30:54 <stbuehler> hm
Feb 05 19:30:55 <stbuehler> bad
Feb 05 19:31:07 <stbuehler> that could explain my crashes?
Feb 05 19:31:22 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Feb 05 19:31:26 <PuffTheMagic> you on 2.1?
Feb 05 19:31:33 <stbuehler> on tp too
Feb 05 19:31:48 <PuffTheMagic> i dont ever get a crash on the TP though :/
Feb 05 19:31:57 <stbuehler> hm, but it only crashed when i tried installing a new version with palm-install
Feb 05 19:33:12 <Brybry> I broke hiding vkb :D
Feb 05 19:33:24 <PuffTheMagic> broke?
Feb 05 19:34:00 <Brybry> "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'PalmSystem' of null, /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js:5,839"
Feb 05 19:34:01 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: i'd like to refactor some code (might take some time though): a) use namespace SDL:: for sdl stuff that might be useful in other projects (especially some event handling) and b) put webos/pdk stuff into a separate file/class so we could run wterm on normal linux too
Feb 05 19:34:30 <stbuehler> but before i start working too hard i'd like to know if that is ok with you :)
Feb 05 19:35:05 <PuffTheMagic> ya thats fine, just do it in a diff branch so we can still make releases
Feb 05 19:35:14 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, whats the status of the highlight code?
Feb 05 19:35:18 <stbuehler> i'll only push things that are ready
Feb 05 19:35:19 <stbuehler> oh
Feb 05 19:35:28 <stbuehler> i guess i could work on that too :)
Feb 05 19:35:33 <Brybry> and found another bug: with rotation lock on, start landscape with vkb showing, move your touchpad like you're putting it into portrait, then hide vkb, show vkb
Feb 05 19:36:39 <Brybry> still working on reprorducing that error though
Feb 05 19:36:40 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, you do stupid shit with your TP
Feb 05 19:36:41 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Feb 05 19:38:26 <Brybry> someone has to try these things
Feb 05 19:38:31 <Brybry> :D
Feb 05 19:38:37 <stbuehler> good job :)
Feb 05 19:40:27 <Brybry> still dunno what I did to get that error though
Feb 05 19:40:28 <Brybry> hmm
Feb 05 19:40:33 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, pull and see if I fixed your bug
Feb 05 19:42:32 <Brybry> good so far
Feb 05 19:46:23 <Brybry> hide vkb, close wterm, open wterm, vkb starts shown, tap hide vkb in menu (does nothing, guessing picks up saved pref), tap again works
Feb 05 19:47:00 <Brybry> I really wish I could reproduce that one time when it errored and hide/show wouldn't work at all for me
Feb 05 19:47:04 <Brybry> I don't remember what I did at all
Feb 05 19:47:49 <PuffTheMagic> ya i want to change the vkb visibility prefs a little
Feb 05 19:47:56 <PuffTheMagic> right now is updates the prefs each time u toggle
Feb 05 19:47:59 <PuffTheMagic> but i dont think it should
Feb 05 19:48:05 <PuffTheMagic> i think there should be an option in the prefs
Feb 05 19:48:15 <PuffTheMagic> for startup behavior
Feb 05 19:48:26 <PuffTheMagic> like when a new term starts what it should default to
Feb 05 19:48:35 <PuffTheMagic> but changes while the term is running shouldnt be saved
Feb 05 19:48:41 <PuffTheMagic> unless changes in the prefs of course
Feb 05 19:50:49 <Brybry> the behavior I would want (as a user) would probably be save on exit/app close
Feb 05 19:51:06 <Brybry> not really sure, not a big deal to me
Feb 05 19:52:25 <Brybry> yessssss, got the error again
Feb 05 19:52:26 <Brybry> still no idea how
Feb 05 19:52:39 <PuffTheMagic> what is the error?
Feb 05 19:53:10 <Brybry> [20120205-13:52:16.025854] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'PalmSystem' of null, /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js:5,839
Feb 05 19:53:16 <Brybry> on clicking 'show keyboard'
Feb 05 19:53:29 <Brybry> still working out steps to reproduce
Feb 05 20:00:50 <Brybry> ok, load setup and then close setup and I think that does it
Feb 05 20:03:26 <Brybry> or a new terminal and close that new terminal
Feb 05 20:03:26 <PuffTheMagic> weird
Feb 05 20:08:27 <Brybry> I know a very bad way to fix it :3
Feb 05 20:10:18 <Brybry> enyo.application.p.set('showVKB', this._showVKB) is the offending call I believe
Feb 05 20:11:14 <Brybry> hmm, didn't happen this time. wth
Feb 05 20:12:17 <Brybry> oh, it did, logging just delayed
Feb 05 20:41:40 <PuffTheMagic> why would that cause the an issue
Feb 05 20:41:58 <Brybry> there's some really weird scope inssue going on in prefs.set
Feb 05 20:46:03 <PuffTheMagic> dont think we ever had any issues with wirc using that prefs object
Feb 05 20:47:01 <PuffTheMagic> looks like my pre2 is taking 2.2.4
Feb 05 20:47:08 <PuffTheMagic> dont know why it failed to take 2.1
Feb 05 20:47:18 <Brybry> I dunno if it's the prefs code at all yet or not
Feb 05 20:47:30 <Brybry> it's kind of annoying to debug when enyo.log/console.log/etc become undefined inside of it
Feb 05 21:15:21 <PuffTheMagic> yep shit is really messed up on my pre2
Feb 05 21:15:26 <PuffTheMagic> regardless of 2.1 or 2.2
Feb 05 21:15:27 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Feb 05 21:31:33 <halfhalo> http://pastebin.com/ABpA8DFc stage dos
Feb 05 21:32:17 <destinal_> halfhalo: he err what?
Feb 05 21:32:31 <halfhalo> making node script
Feb 05 21:33:10 <halfhalo> one of them happens to use https://github.com/halfhalo/node-wosi-feed-parser right now
Feb 05 21:34:06 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: u ever roast tanzanian peaberry
Feb 05 21:34:43 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: yes a couple years ago last though I think
Feb 05 21:34:51 <destinal> had it in a sweet marias sampler
Feb 05 21:35:06 <PuffTheMagic> are they really tiny and dense
Feb 05 21:36:27 <destinal> I don't think SM is carrying any right now because none of the current crop passed their cupping tests or something
Feb 05 21:37:12 <PuffTheMagic> hmmm, my uncled got me 4 types of green beans, just roasted some of the peaberry
Feb 05 21:37:21 <PuffTheMagic> they took a while to get going
Feb 05 21:37:27 <PuffTheMagic> seem smaller than the other stuff i roasted
Feb 05 21:37:30 <destinal> I seem to recall it was like kenya but a bit sweeter, and took a while to roast
Feb 05 21:39:22 <halfhalo> I have node-novacom stuff on github, but until I get it a little cleaner its in a hidden repo, along with the installation cli scripts.
Feb 05 21:40:12 <halfhalo> I think I can add one person to them still to poke around, and i got ubuntu novacom to work it looks like.
Feb 05 21:56:47 <halfhalo> http://pastebin.com/mBUTcG80 is it running through the entire process of installating a package
Feb 05 21:58:44 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry: still debuging or give up?
Feb 05 21:59:19 <Brybry> I am contemplating how this happens
Feb 05 21:59:34 <Brybry> it has definitely challenged my understanding of javascript scope
Feb 05 22:00:14 <halfhalo> javascript scope can be a pain sometimes, esp trying to get stack traces
Feb 05 22:02:05 <Brybry> like the document object (and other things) get trashed inside of the enyo.application.p object after a card that instantiates it is closed
Feb 05 22:02:16 <Brybry> but if that is true how have we not run into issues before
Feb 05 22:28:19 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: just figure out a way to sqeeze more heat out of my popper
Feb 05 22:28:26 <PuffTheMagic> well, keep more air in really
Feb 05 22:35:57 <Brybry> is Preferences supposed to act like a singleton?
Feb 05 22:36:10 <PuffTheMagic> what do u mean by that
Feb 05 22:36:20 <PuffTheMagic> should it be global?
Feb 05 22:36:24 <Brybry> like one instance of it across all cards
Feb 05 22:36:28 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Feb 05 22:36:59 <Brybry> then we probably want to do: if (typeof enyo.application.p == 'undefined')
Feb 05 22:36:59 <Brybry>  enyo.application.p = new Preferences();
Feb 05 22:37:37 <Brybry> and I think that fixes all the errors, looks like the original card's document object/scope/whatever nonsense sticks around even after the original card is destroyed (which is only case that wouldn't take care of)
Feb 05 22:38:08 <PuffTheMagic> i thought i had something like that once
Feb 05 22:41:11 <Brybry> I find it very interesting that a single global scope level log statement in prefs.js gets called more than once on card load
Feb 05 22:41:55 <PuffTheMagic> ya that confuses me too
Feb 05 23:05:48 <Brybry> hmm, hoping I didn't just do a bad thing by pushing that into master
Feb 05 23:15:07 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: oh?  what did you work out?
Feb 05 23:16:18 <PuffTheMagic> i have a metal ladle that almost perfectly fits into the well area off the popper
Feb 05 23:16:26 <PuffTheMagic> so i put that over it and it traps in way more heat
Feb 05 23:16:34 <PuffTheMagic> no melt downs yet
Feb 05 23:20:23 <destinal> nice
Feb 05 23:20:48 <destinal> yeah I suspect the newfangled lower wattage popper just doesn't quite do what roasting needs without hacks like that
Feb 06 00:52:14 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: just did my best roast so far
Feb 06 00:52:33 <PuffTheMagic> i need to really seal up that popper and i can get them all nice and dark and oily :D
Feb 06 00:56:42 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: or just get a poppery II off ebay :P
Feb 06 00:57:21 <destinal> someday they'll become hard to find but still commonly sold these days
Feb 06 00:57:34 <Jack87> so we have one of those old school poppers at my house
Feb 06 00:57:55 <Jack87> never have used it with oil or anything usually just plain popcorn (which doesnt taste all that great)
Feb 06 00:58:22 <destinal> Jack87: yeah I prefer cast iron skillet or even homemade brown bag microwave bags
Feb 06 00:58:38 <destinal> for actual popcorn.  air poppers for roasting coffee
Feb 06 00:59:03 <Jack87> ahh
Feb 06 01:07:12 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i must do that but i wanted to see what i could pull out of the popper i got as a gift
Feb 06 02:02:07 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: definitely cool what you can do with some simple mods to the air crazy
Feb 06 02:03:07 <PuffTheMagic> i just hit the termal breaker on it on this last batch
Feb 06 02:03:15 <PuffTheMagic> i guess i know i cant have a meltdown now ;D
Feb 06 02:18:59 <Brybry> stbuehler: should a playFeedback/keyboard click sound toggle/boolean be a member of KeyRepeatTimer or SDLCore? (it's accessed by both)
Feb 06 02:19:28 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry: dont like my abuse of scancode?
Feb 06 02:20:11 <Brybry> lol, I haven't actually looked if I can remove that yet
Feb 06 02:22:01 <Brybry> I just pulled in x_palm_virtualkeyboard_prefs "TapSounds" pref so it can be muted/voiced base on the system pref (and I still have to test that everything works ok on a phone where the pref doesn't exist)
Feb 06 02:22:15 <PuffTheMagic> so right now it seems pretty solid on pre3 and TP
Feb 06 02:22:28 <PuffTheMagic> might make a normal release for them
Feb 06 02:22:37 <PuffTheMagic> and leave pre2/veer in alpha
Feb 06 02:25:08 <Brybry> oh
Feb 06 02:25:14 <Brybry> we need to fix . backspacing first
Feb 06 02:25:19 <Brybry> on the pre3
Feb 06 02:25:27 <Brybry> that's kind of necessary for terminal use
Feb 06 02:27:23 <Brybry> and we probably need to check to make sure sym+whatever still acts like ctrl+whatever
Feb 06 02:33:31 <Brybry> and I still want to look into focus stuff on the pre3
Feb 06 02:33:38 <Brybry> so many things to do, it's awesome
Feb 06 02:39:54 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic: did you make the phone on screen keyboard not make click sounds anymore?
Feb 06 02:40:12 <Brybry> want to make sure I'm not looking for bugs that aren't there :)
Feb 06 02:46:39 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry: no i didnt
Feb 06 02:47:07 <Brybry> hmm
Feb 06 02:47:10 <PuffTheMagic> ok then maybe a beta release
Feb 06 02:48:07 <Brybry> yeah, definitely good enough for a beta
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