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Feb 16 03:36:49 * halfhalo adds -embedded arm to his qt script and see's what breaks
Feb 16 04:16:30 <halfhalo> you know... I'm betting if I staged this in scratchbox in widk it would work on device perfectly
Feb 16 04:26:26 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, haven't ordered it yet, doing it now though ;)
Feb 16 05:02:29 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, you said they don't make the poppery2 anymore right?
Feb 16 05:02:35 <cryptk> so I am looking for a used one
Feb 16 05:16:07 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, found and ordered ;)
Feb 16 05:33:25 <destinal_> halfhalo: yeah we should do that
Feb 16 05:33:30 <destinal_> (the scratchbox)
Feb 16 05:33:54 <halfhalo> I would, but don't have the bandwidth to atm
Feb 16 06:05:51 <destinal_> rwhitby: did you ever get the proper g_ether driver set up on your devices so  they just work on OSX?
Feb 16 06:06:34 <destinal_> vice usbnet which stopped working in I think snow leopard?
Feb 16 06:12:05 <rwhitby> destinal_: I did not
Feb 16 06:13:10 <destinal_> have Lion here (thinking about going back to snow leopard actually because Lion hasn't been happy for me) and kind of annoying that usbnet doesn't work, figured I should look at that again
Feb 16 06:13:43 <rwhitby> I've not updated to Lion
Feb 16 06:14:00 <destinal_> rwhitby: I wish I hadn't really
Feb 16 06:14:38 <destinal_> maybe I've just been unlucky but I think it's not quite as high quality of a release as SL
Feb 16 06:15:14 <rwhitby> the last update of N-1 generation is always better than first of generation N
Feb 16 06:21:48 <halfhalo> There are many things that lion does wrong, but enough that it does right to make me stay with it.  Not like I have a choice, though.
Feb 16 06:22:26 <destinal_> halfhalo: heh you have a choice, you can use snow leopard, but unfortunately you can't make apple maintain it :)
Feb 16 06:22:30 <halfhalo> The whole switching gcc compilers was a pain though
Feb 16 06:22:34 <destinal_> rwhitby: and yeah I think that's a lot of it
Feb 16 06:22:56 <halfhalo> No, Both my main computers that are apples shipped with lion and won't take SL
Feb 16 06:23:10 <destinal_> halfhalo: hmm, won't take?  how do you know?
Feb 16 06:23:22 <halfhalo> plus, three finger swipe makes me happy
Feb 16 06:24:18 <halfhalo> destinal_ as far as I know there has not been a way to downgrade to SL cleanly from machines shipped with lion, or updated with lions recovery stuff
Feb 16 06:24:54 <halfhalo> I think only Mac Pro's have not recieved the EFI Lion recovery update so far, all the rest have it
Feb 16 06:25:11 <halfhalo> I will say the ability to restore _everything_ from the internet is nice
Feb 16 06:26:45 <halfhalo> (plus, I have been fighting with a SL xserve all day, while the lion one above it has been perfectly fine, so I may be slightly biased)
Feb 16 06:29:00 <destinal_> halfhalo: ah it IS possible to downgrade currently shipping macs, they won't boot off the old disk but there's a way -- it's fairly elaborate
Feb 16 06:29:22 <destinal_> halfhalo: aren't you glad that apple knows what's best for you and won't let you make a poor decision like running an older version of the OS?
Feb 16 06:30:13 <halfhalo> I would be more angry, but I like lion.  I tend to use spaces or whatever its called now a whole lot more than lion since I just swipe to them
Feb 16 06:30:25 <halfhalo> Although I really wish I could preview them constantly.
Feb 16 06:31:37 <halfhalo> plus, lion has no java :p
Feb 16 14:10:05 <PuffTheMagic> i have also not upgraded to lion :D
Feb 16 14:23:50 * cryptk is cloning all the isis code now
Feb 16 14:23:55 <cryptk> webkit clone is taking forever
Feb 16 14:24:01 <cryptk> friggin huge
Feb 16 14:29:07 <cryptk> damnit!
Feb 16 14:29:08 <cryptk> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Feb 16 14:29:11 <cryptk> gotta start over
Feb 16 15:27:42 <PuffTheMagic> ya i am really annoyed they didnt breakout the webkit code from the rest of qt
Feb 16 15:28:02 <PuffTheMagic> but i guess most distros dont build/package qt in a modular way
Feb 16 15:32:56 <cryptk> I finally got it all cloned...
Feb 16 15:33:27 <cryptk> 5.7GB to clone every repo in the isis project
Feb 16 15:36:10 <PuffTheMagic> so I think we should take some notes from the gentoo ebuilds, on how to build a modular qt
Feb 16 15:36:17 <PuffTheMagic> make no sense to build all of it every time
Feb 16 15:36:25 <PuffTheMagic> even if we dont use gentoo to build
Feb 16 15:36:43 <PuffTheMagic> we should make OE build files that split this massive package up
Feb 16 15:41:53 <cryptk> that would make sense
Feb 16 15:42:02 <cryptk> and finding out how gentoo does it may help us
Feb 16 15:42:52 <PuffTheMagic> qt is broken up into 19 builds
Feb 16 15:43:26 <PuffTheMagic> core,assistant,dbus,declaritive,demo,gui,meta,mobility,multimedia,opengl,openvg,phonon,qt3support,script,sql,svg,test,webkit,xmlpatterns
Feb 16 15:44:53 <cryptk> the qt4 git clone wasn't even the big one
Feb 16 15:44:55 <ka6sox-away> PuffTheMagic, let me look into the Qt bbfiles, I'm pretty sure thats the way its done there too.
Feb 16 15:44:59 <cryptk> it was the webkit clone
Feb 16 15:45:20 <cryptk> the WebKit clone is 5GB
Feb 16 15:45:37 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk, i thought the webkit clone was qt-webkit
Feb 16 15:46:35 <cryptk> not sure, I know the repo is just named WebKit
Feb 16 15:47:05 <ka6sox-away> Qt and Qt-WebKit
Feb 16 15:47:06 <cryptk> looks like it is QtWebKit
Feb 16 15:47:26 <cryptk> but what makes you think that the rest of Qt is in with QtWebKit
Feb 16 15:47:51 <PuffTheMagic> because its 4+ gig :D
Feb 16 15:49:08 <elpollodiablo1> dtzWill: were you able to push Xserver to the main feed?
Feb 16 16:05:48 <halfhalo> yay, bandwidth to play with scratchbox
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Feb 16 16:34:16 <PuffTheMagic> since those "working at XYZ" posters are all the rage now i had to make one for me
Feb 16 16:34:16 <PuffTheMagic> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/422313_977282700715_24406203_39518624_181192471_n.jpg
Feb 16 16:37:57 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, nice!
Feb 16 16:38:09 <cryptk> I should make one for "Cloud"
Feb 16 16:38:15 <cryptk> have some matrix references in there ;)
Feb 16 16:38:50 <PuffTheMagic> aww, i could have put inception in mine :D
Feb 16 16:39:05 <cryptk> haha
Feb 16 16:39:17 <cryptk> that would have been a good one
Feb 16 16:40:43 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: rofl that's awesome
Feb 16 17:21:42 <dwc-> woohoo, my qt webkit built (and runs... x86_64)
Feb 16 17:21:56 <dwc-> and the qt test browser works
Feb 16 17:22:28 <destinal> dwc-: nice!
Feb 16 17:22:41 <destinal> dwc-: did you replace the stock webkit completely?
Feb 16 17:22:47 <dwc-> x86_64
Feb 16 17:22:50 <destinal> or just browseradapter?
Feb 16 17:23:10 <destinal> dwc-: ah, not in emulator?
Feb 16 17:23:14 <dwc-> so that's native on my machine, not in the emu or on a device
Feb 16 17:23:19 <destinal> ah kk
Feb 16 17:23:37 <destinal> that it runs is good,  toss it in the emulator in the right place and see what happens :)
Feb 16 17:23:38 <dwc-> yea, figured I'd make sure it worked native first, without dealing with ia32 or arm build chains first
Feb 16 17:23:47 <halfhalo> yup
Feb 16 17:24:18 <destinal> dwc-: verifying that the code is complete to build and that it actually works is awesome :)
Feb 16 17:25:08 <destinal> dwc-: did you have to do anything special?  halfhalo has started a wiki article on how to do this on (I think ubuntu?)
Feb 16 17:25:22 <dwc-> not really
Feb 16 17:25:30 <dwc-> oh, I did have to bootstrap qt 4.8 first
Feb 16 17:25:50 <dwc-> but that was just configure/make/make install
Feb 16 17:25:58 <dwc-> so that hardly counts in my book
Feb 16 17:27:07 <dwc-> (being used to building shit for solaris, "anything special" usually involves patching the src/install stuff)
Feb 16 17:29:11 <dwc-> oh hey, what's this... a --webos option in this qtwebkit
Feb 16 17:29:17 <dwc-> time to rebuild!
Feb 16 17:30:32 <dwc-> (mmm, lack of docs)
Feb 16 17:32:38 <cryptk> dwc-, do you know what the --webos option does?
Feb 16 17:33:27 <dwc->   --webos                           Support for webOS customizations
Feb 16 17:33:39 <halfhalo> yupyup
Feb 16 17:33:44 <dwc-> sets CONFIG+=webos
Feb 16 17:33:56 <dwc-> have not grep'd to see all the changes
Feb 16 17:34:16 <dwc-> but commit 1c3d3d23f3f987bf67f38c23f0a2c222c3f8e778 looks like all the palm changes
Feb 16 17:34:18 * halfhalo wants to play with isis stuff, but real work stuff is making that impossible
Feb 16 17:34:36 <dwc-> same... I left the compile running when I left last night
Feb 16 17:39:09 <destinal> dwc-: so did you build with --webos  in the version you were  testing?
Feb 16 17:39:26 <dwc-> no. hence the rebuild.
Feb 16 17:39:30 <destinal> ahh
Feb 16 17:41:24 <cryptk> dwc-, what all did you have to do to build QtWebKit?
Feb 16 17:42:05 <dwc-> for all I know, --webos will make the qt test browser not work natively too ;)
Feb 16 17:42:24 * cryptk is trying to replicate what you have done... but with WIDK ;)
Feb 16 17:42:44 <cryptk> doing a ./configure on Qt
Feb 16 17:43:15 <dwc-> qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.0.tar.gz ... ./configure --prefix=/opt/isis ; make ; make install
Feb 16 17:43:38 <cryptk> you didn't use the Qt repo from the isis stuff?
Feb 16 17:43:48 <dwc-> QTDIR=/opt/isis PATH=/opt/isis/bin:$PATH Tools/Scripts/build-webkit --qt
Feb 16 17:44:06 <dwc-> no... because I didn't notice their repo until after I was already done
Feb 16 17:44:11 <cryptk> ahh, lol
Feb 16 17:45:21 <dwc-> if you want my dpkg -l, let me know
Feb 16 17:45:38 <cryptk> well, the dpkg -l won't help much inside of WIDK
Feb 16 17:45:56 <cryptk> forgot to stage up the X stuff in WIDK
Feb 16 17:46:02 <dwc-> right, but then you'll know which -dev packages I had, and their versions, and thus, which features got built in
Feb 16 17:46:05 <cryptk> which evidentally is needed to ./configure Qt
Feb 16 17:48:28 <halfhalo> yeah
Feb 16 17:48:31 <halfhalo> and opengl
Feb 16 17:48:35 <halfhalo> and freetype
Feb 16 17:48:37 <halfhalo> and a toaster
Feb 16 18:02:40 <cryptk> halfhalo, is all of that stuff present in WIDK already?
Feb 16 18:02:50 <halfhalo> I don't know
Feb 16 18:03:00 <cryptk> I think they are
Feb 16 18:03:10 <Brybry> if the WIDK is setup to be like a device then mostly yes
Feb 16 18:03:24 * Brybry goes to look
Feb 16 18:04:18 <dwc-> halfhalo: do you need webos running on the toaster?
Feb 16 18:04:25 <Brybry> hmm, maybe not
Feb 16 18:07:23 <halfhalo> dwc- yes.
Feb 16 18:12:16 <cryptk> so... I figured out how to fix my Tpo file not found errors in WIDK ;)
Feb 16 18:12:26 <cryptk> which lets me finish staging up X stuff
Feb 16 18:13:38 <cryptk> edit the WIDK Makefile for whatever package is breaking for not finding the Tpo libtool files, in the Makefile, right before the part where it fires off the ./configure through SB2, add this line...
Feb 16 18:13:39 <cryptk> ( cd build/$* ; ${SB2} autoreconf -i )
Feb 16 18:13:43 <cryptk> fixxored
Feb 16 18:13:45 <dwc-> solution: kill libtool.
Feb 16 18:13:51 <cryptk> I like that solution also
Feb 16 18:13:56 <cryptk> libtool is a bastard
Feb 16 18:14:09 <dwc-> libtool is a often-broken POS
Feb 16 18:14:16 <cryptk> yep
Feb 16 18:14:59 <cryptk> the problem is that the ltmain.sh, when run through SB2 doesn't run properly to where when it calls ../libtool it fails, hence the Tpo files are enver generated
Feb 16 18:15:12 <cryptk> the fix is to autoreconf -i through SB2 which fixes the ltmain.sh
Feb 16 18:15:49 <cryptk> whoever wrote libtool needs to be flogged... repeatedly
Feb 16 18:19:20 <dwc-> but... we could make them use it to compile things
Feb 16 18:19:53 <dtzWill> lol!
Feb 16 19:12:06 <cryptk> ok, WIDK fixes pushed
Feb 16 19:12:19 <cryptk> it is closer to making stage properly on 11.10 now ;)
Feb 16 19:18:28 <dtzWill> \o/
Feb 16 20:02:02 <elpollodiablo1> dtzWill: ping
Feb 16 20:31:20 <dtzWill> elpollodiablo1: about to step out, but sup?
Feb 16 20:31:26 <dtzWill> pushing xserver stuff to main feeds? :)
Feb 16 20:37:50 <dtzWill> elpollodiablo1: pushed. lmk if there was something else you needed :)
Feb 16 20:44:33 <elpollodiablo1> dtzWill: thanks, I would have pushed it but I dont know how to or even have rights, and rod wanted your approval before he did. thanks again
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Feb 16 23:07:58 <dtzWill> elpollodiablo1: np at all, sorry for sitting on that for too long.
Feb 16 23:13:38 <elpollodiablo1> there was some talking about it on the forums so I figured might be good to get it out to the people.
Feb 17 00:06:01 <Brybry> PuffTheMagic: does HEAD work on your pre3?
Feb 17 00:07:09 <Brybry> maybe I've been bitten by windows again, hmm
Feb 17 00:11:55 <PuffTheMagic> did u push something new?
Feb 17 00:11:58 <PuffTheMagic> it did last time I tried
Feb 17 00:12:28 <Brybry> nah, didn't push anything new but the plugin wouldn't start for me (grey screen) but no error messages
Feb 17 00:12:34 <Brybry> and so I tried a clean install
Feb 17 00:13:26 <Brybry> and now it won't let me past the setup scene (and setup scene doesn't seem to use the new fullscreen?) + error: Uncaught plugin not ready when I try to hit Done
Feb 17 00:14:20 <Brybry> making dinner and then I'll dig deeper
Feb 17 00:16:05 <PuffTheMagic> sounds like u didnt install the new plugin properly
Feb 17 01:24:48 <Brybry> I'm going to go ahead and blame windows and say it put CRLF in my role files
Feb 17 01:31:58 <PuffTheMagic> there is a way to make git convert all your commits to unix line endings
Feb 17 01:32:15 <PuffTheMagic> and your checkouts
Feb 17 01:32:20 <PuffTheMagic> i guess that wont help much
Feb 17 01:32:21 <PuffTheMagic> nm
Feb 17 01:35:33 <dwc-> he needs to turn that off, maybe
Feb 17 01:46:57 <Brybry> yeah, I more than likely need to mess with the autocrlf setting
Feb 17 01:47:16 <rwhitby> or just use a real editor on a real OS
Feb 17 01:48:09 <dwc-> vim on windows will preserve what's existing
Feb 17 01:48:17 <Brybry> it's not an editor issue
Feb 17 01:48:47 <rwhitby> if git it set up to not mess with line endings, then what else could it be other than an editor issue?
Feb 17 01:48:51 <Brybry> git by default automaticallty converts to CRLF on checkout and then to LF again on commit
Feb 17 01:49:02 <Brybry> (on windows)
Feb 17 01:49:06 <rwhitby> oh dear.
Feb 17 01:49:11 <rwhitby> who's bright idea was that.
Feb 17 01:49:44 <rwhitby> I can't see Linus as being the source of that - must be someone else porting it.
Feb 17 01:50:28 <rwhitby> "Manage everything using SHA1 hashes, and the munge the content behind the user's back" is not something that Linus would say.
Feb 17 01:56:41 <PuffTheMagic> it was Brybry's idea
Feb 17 01:56:47 <PuffTheMagic> since he CHOSE that option
Feb 17 01:57:01 <PuffTheMagic> git on windows actuallys asks you what it shoudl do
Feb 17 01:57:17 <Brybry> I definitely never configured that option by hand
Feb 17 01:57:21 <Brybry> I promise you that
Feb 17 01:58:18 <PuffTheMagic> i promise you its an option
Feb 17 01:58:26 <PuffTheMagic> i just installed git on a windows box today
Feb 17 02:05:32 <Brybry> does it ask you via the gui or something?
Feb 17 02:10:18 <rwhitby> well, there are multiple installers of git for windows I presume, so you guys may want to check you are talking about the same package first ...
Feb 17 02:11:40 <rwhitby> I presume there's also a Cygwin method of running Git on windows too, just to add another variable.
Feb 17 02:12:09 <rwhitby> So promising each other stuff without knowing what each of you are actually installing seems premature ;)
Feb 17 02:17:16 * Brybry shrugs
Feb 17 02:17:52 <Brybry> I still kind of want it to strip CR on commit, just not on checkout =/
Feb 17 02:18:09 <Brybry> I'm not sure if that's what 'autocrlf input' does or not
Feb 17 02:18:17 * rwhitby can't imaging allowing a tool to change stuff behind my back
Feb 17 02:18:27 <rwhitby> s/imaging/imagine/
Feb 17 02:19:16 <Brybry> I'd rather not accidentally taint the repository with evil
Feb 17 02:19:27 <rwhitby> Better not to create the evil in the first place.
Feb 17 02:20:03 <rwhitby> i.e. use an editor which doesn't hide the evil
Feb 17 02:20:43 * rwhitby steps off the soapbox
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