**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 21 02:59:58 2012
Mar 21 17:00:24 <dtzWill> chirp chirp
Mar 21 17:03:54 * scoutcamper gets out his shotgun and hunts the bird
Mar 21 17:04:55 <dwc-> I tawt I taw a puddy tat
Mar 21 17:06:18 <scoutcamper> So, anyone have any success building browser server?
Mar 21 17:06:31 <scoutcamper> its the last thing that i cant get to build
Mar 21 17:06:43 <scoutcamper> for isis
Mar 21 17:07:02 <scoutcamper> nyx at least builds on the first try :)
Mar 21 17:07:04 <dwc-> that's where I left off, what's the issue you're having?
Mar 21 17:13:18 <destinal> scoutcamper: yeah, alas nyx isn't all that useful until we have a version of Luna that talks to it, and alas, it's very different from hidd...
Mar 21 17:13:55 <destinal> well, maybe a good thing for future development but we'll need the "community edition" project to get anything that works with 3.x as is
Mar 21 17:19:01 <scoutcamper> dwc-, let me boot my vm, 1 sec
Mar 21 17:38:06 <scoutcamper> dwc-, i die on /home/scoutcamper/isis-project/BrowserServer/Src/BrowserPage.h:42:23: fatal error: pbnjson.hpp: No such file or directory
Mar 21 17:38:06 <scoutcamper> "
Mar 21 17:42:26 <scoutcamper> dwc-, actually, im getting "make: /home/scoutcamper/isis-project/staging//bin/moc: Command not found
Mar 21 17:42:26 <scoutcamper> "
Mar 21 17:58:13 <scoutcamper> dwc-, holy crap, i got it working!
Mar 21 17:58:28 <scoutcamper> i have now built the whole thing!
Mar 21 18:07:26 <dwc-> nice!
Mar 21 18:07:52 <dwc-> pbnjson.hpp is from their pbnjson project that was more recently added, I'm guessing?
Mar 21 18:08:01 <dwc-> and the failure to find moc was from a variable that wasn't defined?
Mar 21 18:09:46 <scoutcamper> yes to the pbn, moc was an error
Mar 21 18:10:10 <scoutcamper> dwc-, moc is moc-palm in that folder, so i just did cp moc-palm moc
Mar 21 18:10:24 <dwc-> moc-palm? that sounds like the palm qt4, not the vanilla then?
Mar 21 18:10:30 <scoutcamper> yep
Mar 21 18:10:34 <scoutcamper> idk
Mar 21 18:10:38 <scoutcamper> but it built!
Mar 21 18:10:48 <dwc-> which qt4 did you use to build qtwebkit?
Mar 21 18:10:55 <dwc-> that's awesome, document for us!
Mar 21 18:11:03 <dwc-> (now, does it work?)
Mar 21 18:12:04 <scoutcamper> dwc-, browser server starts
Mar 21 18:12:26 <halfhalo> does it start on device... thats the question
Mar 21 18:12:27 <scoutcamper> dwc-, gt 4.8
Mar 21 18:12:39 <scoutcamper> let me grab my touchpad
Mar 21 18:12:45 <dwc-> almost certainly not... it's an x86 build
Mar 21 18:12:49 <halfhalo> (also, nice.  I need to start poking at stuff again, but school==busybusy me)
Mar 21 18:12:53 <dwc-> try it on the emu first
Mar 21 18:13:30 <scoutcamper> i dont have the emu on my pachine :/
Mar 21 18:13:39 <halfhalo> tsktsktsk
Mar 21 18:14:02 <halfhalo> wait, neither do I.  VBox decided to barf on ML
Mar 21 18:14:23 <scoutcamper> lol
Mar 21 18:19:42 <scoutcamper> dwc-, starting doccumentation here. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Isis-project
Mar 21 18:21:33 <dwc-> eew.... LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Mar 21 18:21:41 * dwc- shudders
Mar 21 18:37:26 <scoutcamper> dwc-, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Isis-project is complete
Mar 21 18:37:37 <scoutcamper> dwc-, every step i did to get it to build
Mar 21 18:37:44 <scoutcamper> oil, isis-project works!
Mar 21 18:39:04 <oil> nice
Mar 21 18:41:50 <PuffTheMagic> is it worty it?
Mar 21 18:42:13 <dtzWill> to be clear (for those following from home), this is on-device, or x86?
Mar 21 18:42:13 <PuffTheMagic> i heard its slow
Mar 21 18:42:24 <dtzWill> (and is this isis thing any better/different? haha)
Mar 21 18:42:25 <scoutcamper> dtzWill, x86
Mar 21 18:42:29 <dtzWill> scoutcamper: kk ty
Mar 21 18:42:35 <dtzWill> progress! good work :D
Mar 21 18:42:50 <scoutcamper> PuffTheMagic, it feels slugish,
Mar 21 18:42:53 <PuffTheMagic> :( people be afraid of cross compile
Mar 21 18:46:25 * scoutcamper bbl
Mar 21 18:46:39 <scoutcamper> someone with time should try to duplicate my results
Mar 21 20:16:21 <PuffTheMagic> all #webos* are turning into ghost towns
Mar 21 20:28:42 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: yeah
Mar 21 20:28:57 <destinal> we need to do something exciting to wake people up
Mar 21 20:48:37 <PuffTheMagic> na
Mar 21 20:48:42 <PuffTheMagic> we cant
Mar 21 20:49:11 <PuffTheMagic> webos is now a toy/gimic like ipodlinux
Mar 21 21:01:42 <stbuehler> scoutcamper|away: i think you should add a warning to your howto that you should never try this on your main install, only in a dedicated vm/install
Mar 21 21:04:40 <halfhalo> sounds like someone found out from experience!
Mar 21 21:05:24 <dwc-> that's why I've been working on building mine entirely in a subdir and not modifying any of my system files
Mar 21 21:05:26 <stbuehler> nope. i'm good enough to realize that "sudo make install" in a custom qt4 build is very bad idea
Mar 21 21:06:17 <stbuehler> and seeing as this probably a howto for other hackers, it would have been nice to add some text why certain step have to be done
Mar 21 21:06:28 <stbuehler> for example, what is the QT 4.8 "stock" for
Mar 21 21:15:34 <stbuehler> github is slow as ****
Mar 21 21:15:50 <stbuehler> using git:// instead of https:// results in better bandwidth
Mar 21 21:15:56 <halfhalo> yup
Mar 21 21:34:08 <stbuehler> we'll see whether i can do this on 64 bit too :D
Mar 21 21:54:23 <PuffTheMagic> why anyone is doing this outside of build.git is baffling to me
Mar 21 21:56:31 <dwc-> because getting it to work outside those constraints is a good first step to knowing how it works
Mar 21 21:57:36 <dwc-> and what the dependencies are
Mar 21 21:58:50 <dwc-> esp with qt4, there's a ton of possible compile-time dependencies on many other projects... knowing which ones you -actually- need could save setting up and building a half dozen packages in build.git
Mar 21 22:00:11 <dwc-> and if building it on desktop linux turns out to reveal that in its current state, it's not mature/not worth running/too buggy to run on device yet, that could save you a huge amount of time
Mar 21 22:00:29 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Mar 21 22:00:47 <PuffTheMagic> and building with ubuntu vs build.git will show you missing deps better?
Mar 21 22:01:05 <dwc-> same reason I never built from source experimental packages on solaris first
Mar 21 22:01:29 <dwc-> no, but it saves me time with not having to build all of build.git first
Mar 21 22:01:53 <dwc-> and I can aptitude install some library
Mar 21 22:02:00 <PuffTheMagic> it takes longer to download the cs toolchain that it does to build everything in build.git
Mar 21 22:02:30 <dwc-> I didn't build the cs toolchain for one.... don't need it until you're going to arm target
Mar 21 22:02:41 <PuffTheMagic> i didnt say build, i said download
Mar 21 22:02:50 <dwc-> I didn't download the cs toolchain either
Mar 21 22:03:03 <PuffTheMagic> what dont u understand
Mar 21 22:03:16 <PuffTheMagic> u made some claim that it takes a long time to build all of build.git
Mar 21 22:03:24 <PuffTheMagic> im saying it takes longer to download the toolchain
Mar 21 22:03:29 <PuffTheMagic> i never said u actually did anything
Mar 21 22:03:30 <dwc-> yea, the dependencies, not the compiler
Mar 21 22:03:42 <dwc-> that's why I'm not using build.git
Mar 21 22:07:01 <PuffTheMagic> that makes no sense
Mar 21 22:07:44 <PuffTheMagic> you could be working to get it working for arm and i686 at the same time in an evn that would make it distributable
Mar 21 22:08:56 <PuffTheMagic> but i guess I could see how Isis is a valuable addition to the ubuntu desktop
Mar 21 22:20:50 <dwc-> the desktop is not my end goal. the desktop is a waypoint where I can decide whether it's worth more effort
Mar 21 22:21:16 <stbuehler> you don't want qt and webkit in build.git
Mar 21 22:21:17 <dwc-> but I don't know what anyone else's efforts are aimed at
Mar 21 22:21:42 <stbuehler> they are way to big
Mar 21 22:22:03 <PuffTheMagic> they dont have to be default make targets
Mar 21 22:22:11 <PuffTheMagic> but they are def not too big
Mar 21 22:22:11 <stbuehler> i'd say try to get normal packages for isis via the usual build services
Mar 21 22:22:17 <PuffTheMagic> u dont need to build all of qt either
Mar 21 22:22:21 <stbuehler> and build stub libs for palm / emulator
Mar 21 22:22:26 <PuffTheMagic> modularize it like gentoo and other distros
Mar 21 22:22:29 <stbuehler> yes they are to big
Mar 21 22:22:49 <PuffTheMagic> it needs to get into build.git else its never gonna be in preware
Mar 21 22:22:55 <stbuehler> are you listening to me?
Mar 21 22:22:56 <PuffTheMagic> at least not by wosi
Mar 21 22:23:06 <stbuehler> build fake libs
Mar 21 22:23:13 <stbuehler> just needs the list of symbols
Mar 21 22:23:20 <stbuehler> (and some minor details)
Mar 21 22:23:56 <dwc-> do you know exactly which parts of qt are needed?
Mar 21 22:23:58 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, well do that
Mar 21 22:24:04 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, yup
Mar 21 22:24:17 <PuffTheMagic> went over this a month or so ago when the source was dropped
Mar 21 22:24:21 <dwc-> well, I don't
Mar 21 22:25:46 <dwc-> but I built just the libs for qt and it's 300mb
Mar 21 22:25:51 <PuffTheMagic> 1 sec
Mar 21 22:26:13 <dwc-> and that's with a bunch of the stuff compiled out, copied from palm's qt
Mar 21 22:26:32 <dwc-> my ./opt/isis so far is 507 mb
Mar 21 22:27:15 <stbuehler> if someone has good isis binaries for arm i can try providing the stub sources
Mar 21 22:27:31 <PuffTheMagic> sqlite-3, fontconfig, freetype, libpng, zlib, jpeg, dbus, glib, ssl
Mar 21 22:27:35 <PuffTheMagic> those are the base deps
Mar 21 22:27:35 <stbuehler> i don't think i tried my scripts on c++ objects yet, but it should work
Mar 21 22:27:38 <PuffTheMagic> then for qt
Mar 21 22:28:37 <PuffTheMagic> qt-core, qt-script, qt-gui, qt-xmlpatterns, qt-webkit
Mar 21 22:29:18 <dwc-> that's definitely not right. I had to add qt-network to WebKitMisc
Mar 21 22:29:30 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby, we really need to get build.git on github, and announce to people they need to migrate over to it to keep up with commit access
Mar 21 22:29:51 <dwc-> it's ok, I don't have commit access to begin with
Mar 21 22:29:54 <PuffTheMagic> wtf is qt-network
Mar 21 22:30:08 <PuffTheMagic> what files does it provide
Mar 21 22:30:23 <PuffTheMagic> my guess that is something bundled up with gentoos qt-core
Mar 21 22:30:53 <dwc-> beats me. I don't do qt stuff.
Mar 21 22:31:19 <PuffTheMagic> just look at the gentoo ebuilds
Mar 21 22:31:28 <PuffTheMagic> cant get any easier
Mar 21 22:32:00 <dwc-> TBH I don't even know what webkitmisc provides yet. It looks like something related to webos things.
Mar 21 22:34:35 <dwc-> like I said, I'm building everything first, getting it to run, and then figuring out what is actually needed
Mar 21 23:17:08 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: done
Mar 22 00:03:50 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby, great, thanks
Mar 22 00:04:18 <PuffTheMagic> stbuehler, you can now fork build.git and submit all your stubs for merge requests :D
Mar 22 00:04:47 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby, is there a "team" for build.git?
Mar 22 00:05:51 <rwhitby> there is a core team for push access
Mar 22 00:06:00 <rwhitby> others can submit pull requests
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