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May 03 11:30:10 <zigiria> Hi
May 03 11:34:07 <zigitha> Hi folks
May 03 16:02:07 * RP waves
May 03 16:02:42 * JaMa waves back
May 03 16:08:40 <fray> morning
May 03 16:09:33 <ka6sox-home> morning
May 03 16:13:59 * RP can see you :)
May 03 16:14:09 <RP> good morning
May 03 16:15:21 <fray> hows the voice and the cold coming along, any better?
May 03 16:15:55 <RP> fray: that seems to have sorted itself now thanks
May 03 16:16:23 <RP> given what happened Monday/Tuesday, the travel would have not worked out well...
May 03 16:19:55 <fray> if Philip starts making you sick with moving the camera around, let us know so we can hit him
May 03 16:20:10 <RP> The ceiling is an interesting view...
May 03 16:20:29 <Crofton> rofl
May 03 16:20:48 <fray> RP, whats the URL so we can see where it's aimed?
May 03 16:20:48 <Crofton> sadly it appears to be an IR controller and I can't get a USRP to sniff it
May 03 16:20:56 <RP> now its out of focus too
May 03 16:21:18 <Crofton> We can't be responsible for how long you were in the pub
May 03 16:21:37 <RP> this could certainly drive me to drink...
May 03 16:21:45 <RP> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gsijbaq6aq64s5uunw7xtoiegaa
May 03 16:27:50 <mr_science> ahoy
May 03 16:28:04 <Crofton> made it
May 03 16:31:25 <ka6sox-home> yes
May 03 16:31:32 <ka6sox-home> but I'm trying to get with him about this
May 03 16:33:30 <JaMa> fray: I've bounced that e-mail to oe-devel ML
May 03 16:34:10 <JaMa> http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2014-May/095671.html
May 03 16:34:48 <JaMa> this is jackmitch|home's e-mail from oe-members
May 03 16:35:12 <ka6sox-home> The Intention is a Statid Landing page with dynamic content behind it as links
May 03 16:35:26 <ka6sox-home> Static
May 03 16:42:13 <JaMa> fray: please add to notes that we also have upstart support (not in oe-core but it's in meta-webos)
May 03 16:42:23 <JaMa> "Init Support | SysV and systemd"
May 03 16:44:06 <Crofton> ka6sox-home, three is a git repo with the wiki source?
May 03 16:45:02 <ka6sox-home> Crofton: I'm not sure if we set that up in that manner, I will have to look and see if we asked wmat to do that.
May 03 16:47:09 <mr_science> back
May 03 16:48:10 * RP notes that the bitbake manual is pretty standalone, it only references OE as a worked example of usage and doesn't need to talk about poky at all
May 03 16:48:37 <RP> some of the manual are more yocto project specific (e.g. getting started points at poky), some less so
May 03 16:49:30 <RP> Do I get one? :)
May 03 16:49:50 <JaMa> I haven't seen you ordering :P
May 03 16:50:58 <darknighte> RP: check your email.  I think jefro just sent you one in your email
May 03 16:51:11 <Crofton> I'd liek to buy an OpenEmbedded
May 03 16:51:22 <fray> RP   :)
May 03 16:52:18 <RP> I'm so dizzy my head is spinning...
May 03 16:52:46 <fray> if you can't hear us as well, let us know and we'll move it back forward
May 03 16:53:24 <fray> RP how should we do the bug scrub?
May 03 16:54:09 <RP> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Bug_Triage is what the Yocto Project triage team uses
May 03 16:54:46 <fray> RP do we want to go over the "new bugs" or leave that to the regular triage group..
May 03 16:55:00 <RP> Usually we don't get that far through this but it hightlights the highest priority issues
May 03 16:56:07 <RP> For this meeting its perhaps better to look at some of the other lists in here other than the non-prioritised ones
May 03 16:58:15 <JaMa> should we turn camera to see the projected screen from khem's?
May 03 17:00:40 <Crofton> important medium bus versus unimportant medium bugs :)
May 03 17:07:37 <RP> https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/buglist.cgi?priority=Medium&f1=OP&o3=equals&list_id=202409&f0=OP&v3=Richard.Purdie%40intel.com&emailtype1=exact&o2=notequals&f4=CP&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=reporter&f2=bug_status&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ACCEPTED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=WaitForUpstream&f5=CP&email1=Richard.Purdie%40linuxfoundation.org&v2=UNCONFIRMED
May 03 17:10:42 <Crofton> If you try to outsmart your compiler, it will get it's revenge very soon and very hard. -- Sven Eden
May 03 17:26:37 <fray> RP -- crofton is asking if we can do doxygen or some othe rprogramatic way to get manual info from classes, and make the bbclass the canonical source
May 03 18:18:47 <RP> JaMa: I need to get my order in this time, right? :)
May 03 18:20:29 <fray> RP, we made sure to get stuff you could eat
May 03 18:22:53 <jackmitch|home> Crofton: pong
May 03 18:23:28 <fray> jackmitch|home hello....
May 03 18:23:37 <jackmitch|home> fray: hi
May 03 18:24:21 <fray> we talked about the website... and basically decided the next step is to triage the wiki, and (other sources of info) to decide what goes on the front page... but nobody objected to anything on there.. we just aren't sure what actual text and such should be there...
May 03 18:25:08 <JaMa> RP: this time you need to bitbake your sandwitch from the plate, good luck with that :)
May 03 18:26:08 <Crofton> http://spi-inc.org/meetings/minutes/2014/2014-04-10/
May 03 18:26:43 <JaMa> jackmitch|home: fray: ah maybe I've missed something in meeting, but as current webpage is so bad, maybe we should start with what Jack already has and improve it later after wiki cleanup
May 03 18:27:37 <Crofton> jackmitch|home, where is the source for the new webpage?
May 03 18:27:40 <jackmitch|home> JaMa: it does need at least a couple of tweaks before it goes live; but I believe it's reasonably close
May 03 18:28:03 <jackmitch|home> Crofton: http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-web-frontpages/
May 03 18:29:19 <Crofton> how does that get generated?
May 03 18:29:30 <jackmitch|home> Crofton: it's not, it's static
May 03 18:29:43 <jackmitch|home> I hand wrote it originally
May 03 18:29:49 <Crofton> I know, but you use something to make the static?
May 03 18:29:53 <fray> jackmitch|home I've emailed you (and the members list) the discussions so far..
May 03 18:30:19 <Crofton> maybe I am confused :)
May 03 18:30:39 <jackmitch|home> Crofton: I'm not sure what you mean, I just wrote it in vim using the bootstrap docs for design element references
May 03 18:31:33 <fray> RP can you hear or should I move the mic closer?
May 03 18:34:33 <RP> fray: I can mostly hear
May 03 18:35:02 <RP> it may be a bit better closer actually
May 03 18:35:21 <Crofton> sorry
May 03 18:36:11 <fray> I'll move it
May 03 18:36:50 <tlwoerner___> linaro's upstreaming 101 with Matt Porter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY7fikYZ42c
May 03 18:36:52 <RP> fray: thanks, that is better
May 03 18:36:55 <fray> excellent
May 03 18:37:18 <fray> let me know if you can't hear Jefro or Belen, they're now slightly behind
May 03 18:37:24 <fray> behind hte mic
May 03 18:38:26 <tlwoerner___> followed by "upstreaming 201" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQ5uV_Mm5c
May 03 18:38:58 <RP> fray: jefro sounds unchanged at least
May 03 18:39:06 <RP> not clear but he wasn't before either
May 03 18:39:09 <fray> perfect..
May 03 18:48:42 <RP> bluelightning: welcome!
May 03 18:52:01 <fray> RP any feedback since you are the ultimate YP evangelist these days, but yet you don't do "talks"?
May 03 18:52:35 <RP> fray: feedback about what? How we could spread the word?
May 03 18:52:53 <fray> yes.. anything you would suggest other then what we're talking about (or what we're talking about)
May 03 18:53:29 <RP> To Trevor’s point, I wouldn't worry about not knowing
May 03 18:53:54 <RP> I've helped out with Q&A before for that reason
May 03 18:54:00 <fray> :)
May 03 18:55:18 <RP> The trouble with the approach being proposed is the "off a cliff" problem when they have to do something that wasn't scripted
May 03 18:56:17 <fray> ya, I agree..
May 03 18:59:18 <darknighte> RP: I would hope more for an "outline" of topics to cover, more than a fully written script
May 03 18:59:53 <fray> ya.. and like I said, when you don't know -- then have a list of people or places to get help to point htem at
May 03 19:00:04 <darknighte> but otherwise, it is still a potential problem
May 03 19:00:46 <Crofton> Presented by foo bar for Richard Purdie
May 03 19:00:59 <fray> lol
May 03 19:02:21 <RP> For fun: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2006/10/11/oedem-2006/
May 03 19:03:54 <Crofton> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/?s=oedem
May 03 19:04:02 <fray> :)
May 03 19:05:22 <tlwoerner___> RP: "the removal of MAINTAINER fields (which we are going to replace with /MAINTAINERS file)"   .... haha, doesn't that sounds familiar
May 03 19:05:42 <RP> tlwoerner___: I chuckled when I read that, yes
May 03 19:07:39 <RP> those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
May 03 19:08:09 <fray> RP, or were having so much fun, and would like to repeat it
May 03 19:10:54 <RP> fray: I've done it once, I don't need to repeat it
May 03 19:11:18 <bluelightning> there were significant improvements in the archiver class in 1.6
May 03 19:12:22 <fray> yup..  Bradley wants another step beyond that...
May 03 19:12:49 <bluelightning> I didn't see the talk you refer to - perhaps I should check it out?
May 03 19:14:25 <tlwoerner___> bluelightning: http://elcabsna2014.sched.org/event/b3a5f1838436dcd583a75236cd5e9bcb?iframe=no&w=100&sidebar=yes&bg=no
May 03 19:14:27 <fray> he wants logs that indicate external versions used to show what was used in the build, as well as considering the recipes (and bbclasses in some cases) need to be included as they are the "build instructions"
May 03 19:14:33 <tlwoerner___> bluelightning: i don't think the videos are up yet
May 03 19:14:44 <bluelightning> ok, thanks
May 03 19:15:41 <fray> Bradley is interpreting the GPL requirement of preferred format for changes as being/including up to and including the recipes and potentially local.conf
May 03 19:15:49 <RP> no...
May 03 19:16:15 <mr_science> ;)
May 03 19:17:20 <mr_science> is there a temporal quantity that works?
May 03 19:17:28 <Crofton> RP, how about if we hide the camera
May 03 19:17:34 <fray> :)
May 03 19:19:24 <RP> fray: there is little more to say ;-)
May 03 19:19:39 <Crofton> rofl
May 03 19:20:36 * darknighte thinks that with video on him, Crofton doesn't need to 'emote'
May 03 19:31:50 <tlwoerner___> RP: slides -> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/bkuhn-compliance.pdf
May 03 19:33:10 <Crofton> I need to graph the income versus time for the tax forms
May 03 19:46:05 <JaMa> lets vote! http://gokartracer.reachlocal.com
May 03 19:47:52 * fray has fun moving around the video.. anyone getting sea sick?
May 03 19:48:11 * RP is finding food
May 03 19:48:14 <RP> and beer
May 03 19:50:00 <belen> RP has beer. I like his meeting better
May 03 19:50:11 <JaMa> :)
May 03 19:58:52 <mr_science> mmm...  hot chips...
May 03 20:12:04 <RP> belen: unfortunately the beer wasn't the best :/
May 03 20:12:36 <belen> RP: "not best beer" is still better than "no beer"
May 03 20:12:41 <fray> I suspect you are able to remedy that with a short trip out of the house
May 03 20:13:14 <RP> fray: more like a trip back downstairs ;-)
May 03 20:13:26 <RP> I think I have another bottle of this one :(
May 03 20:21:08 <RP> Does what exist?
May 03 20:21:15 <fray> budweiser.. ;)
May 03 20:21:28 <RP> oh. yes and ick ;-)
May 03 20:22:17 * mr_science had 2 pints of Old Speckeled Hen last night
May 03 20:22:48 <RP> mr_science: much better. I may have a bottle of that...
May 03 20:22:50 <mr_science> after the imperial stout at dinner...
May 03 20:23:26 <mr_science> RP: this came out of his special nitrogen-charged tapper
May 03 20:23:50 <mr_science> really nice, sort of like guinness but with white foam
May 03 20:24:38 <mr_science> turns out the italian place is owned by an englishman
May 03 20:25:17 <RP> mr_science: sounds like fun :)
May 03 20:40:25 <RP> FWIW we don't have to continue with the bug scrub - I think its useful for people to see the work involved and that there is some low hanging with doc bugs and so on
May 03 20:40:54 <RP> There may be more productive things to do with the people in the room there...
May 03 20:41:32 <Crofton> mostly they are talking about specific problems they have encountered now
May 03 20:41:42 <Crofton> and some of us have been looking at online voting
May 03 20:42:03 <Crofton> I have hit burn out :)
May 03 20:42:06 <RP> Crofton: that might be the better way to round things off...
May 03 20:42:16 <Crofton> :)
May 03 20:42:32 <Crofton> we have had a productive session
May 03 20:42:32 * RP is on the second beer...
May 03 20:43:25 <RP> Crofton: agreed, its been productive I think
May 03 20:44:35 <fray> I'm exhausted.. but a field trip to Weird Stuff may be worthwhile.. :)
May 03 20:44:45 <fray> Denys and I took a field trip to Fry's yesterday
May 03 20:45:02 <RP> fray: I remember both well :)
May 03 20:46:14 <fray> I can't remember did you find anything at Weird Stuff when I showed you the place?
May 03 20:46:40 <RP> fray: I didn't buy anything but it was an experience
May 03 20:46:49 <RP> and a trip down memory lane in some cases
May 03 20:46:51 <fray> lol
May 03 21:00:22 <bluelightning> +1 on meta-python
May 03 21:01:33 <bluelightning> I'll help maintain it...
May 03 21:02:24 <mr_science> beat me to it...
May 03 21:03:03 <mr_science> bluelightning: do we need to arm-wrestle?
May 03 21:03:17 <bluelightning> mr_science: or we could join forces :D
May 03 21:03:34 <mr_science> where's the fun in that?
May 03 21:03:42 <bluelightning> heh
May 03 21:03:57 <mr_science> but sure, put me down for one ticket
May 03 21:04:00 <RP> I can chant *fight* if it helps? :)
May 03 21:04:34 <mr_science> yeah, i think it might...
May 03 21:05:18 <bluelightning> ok thanks Jefro & all
May 03 21:05:24 <belen> Thanks all for letting me join. I will be bugging you soon about your wiki content
May 03 21:05:24 <mr_science> bluelightning: don't let me forgeti said that...
May 03 21:05:26 <RP> yes, thanks all
May 03 21:05:38 <halstead> Thanks all!
May 03 21:05:44 <JaMa> go go go karts :)
May 03 21:06:17 <bluelightning> mr_science: thanks
May 03 21:06:23 <mr_science> don't you mean "go go gadget wheels"
May 03 21:06:29 <mr_science> ?
May 03 21:06:45 <bluelightning> whatever you say dude :)
May 03 21:07:03 <mr_science> that was for JaMa
May 03 21:08:41 <mr_science> apparently no inspector gagdet in eastern europe...
May 03 21:10:56 <mr_science> okay, packing up
May 03 21:11:17 * mr_science waves before his 4 hour drive
May 03 21:11:27 <bluelightning> travel safe
May 03 21:12:07 <mr_science> cya
May 03 23:13:35 <ant_home> khem: ping?
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