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Apr 26 07:03:23 <mckoan> good morning
Apr 26 07:05:31 <LetoThe2nd> mckoan: mostly yes :)
Apr 26 07:12:28 <mckoan> LetoThe2nd: that's a good news! Glad to hear that.
Apr 26 07:18:56 <LetoThe2nd> :)
Apr 26 08:21:23 <likewise> good morning *to you*
Apr 26 09:03:16 <RP> LetoThe2nd: it is a good morning, be assertive ;-)
Apr 26 09:04:06 <LetoThe2nd> RP: like, the asserts you always (ha, ha!) properly write into your code, hoping that they never ever hit?
Apr 26 09:04:34 <RP> LetoThe2nd: no, not like that :)
Apr 26 09:04:56 <LetoThe2nd> oh.
Apr 26 09:05:44 * LetoThe2nd is very assertively doing JS right now.
Apr 26 09:10:07 <LetoThe2nd> RP: you around this afternoon?
Apr 26 09:10:18 <RP> LetoThe2nd: yes, should be
Apr 26 09:12:10 <LetoThe2nd> RP: i'll try to do another streaming test run some time then, probably like 16:00 CEST or such. will poke you then once i get going!
Apr 26 09:12:50 <RP> LetoThe2nd: I'd best figure out what I need then (some kind of account?) :)
Apr 26 09:13:02 <RP> LetoThe2nd: I do have a couple of meetings this afternoon :/
Apr 26 09:13:27 <LetoThe2nd> RP: creating an account should totally be enough
Apr 26 09:13:28 <RP> I think 16:00 CEST works
Apr 26 09:13:39 * RP is confused with tzs
Apr 26 09:14:02 <LetoThe2nd> RP: give or take some. if it doesn't work out, no problem either. i'll do a recording so i'm able to inspect it myself laters too.
Apr 26 09:15:46 <RP> LetoThe2nd: fair enough, sounds good
Apr 26 09:15:58 <LetoThe2nd> \O/
Apr 26 09:22:55 <mckoan> LetoThe2nd: let me know if you need any help
Apr 26 09:30:30 <derRichard> can i set DISTRO_VERSION to any string i want?
Apr 26 09:30:40 <LetoThe2nd> mckoan: if you can be online around 16:00 for some time, thats hopefully enough
Apr 26 09:31:20 <LetoThe2nd> mckoan: if you want to invest 5 more minutes, create a twitch account so we can also try the interaction there.
Apr 26 09:41:05 <RP> LetoThe2nd: have the account :)
Apr 26 09:43:09 <LetoThe2nd> RP: hooray!
Apr 26 09:44:59 <LetoThe2nd> RP: care to give me your nick, or say hello in the chat at https://www.twitch.tv/yocto_project ?
Apr 26 09:50:40 <LetoThe2nd> RP: added you to moderators :)
Apr 26 09:52:55 <RP> LetoThe2nd: ok, cool
Apr 26 09:54:06 <LetoThe2nd> that should totally be enough for the start.
Apr 26 09:54:27 <LetoThe2nd> i'll announce it here when i'm ready to do the test run laters :)
Apr 26 09:54:53 <mckoan> LetoThe2nd: I registered on twitch
Apr 26 09:54:57 <RP> LetoThe2nd: cool
Apr 26 09:56:45 <LetoThe2nd> mckoan: great! i'll be doing the live test run on https://www.twitch.tv/yocto_project later, probably 16:00 CEST, give or take some. just tune in and give feedback :)
Apr 26 09:57:39 <mckoan> LetoThe2nd: ok, let's meet later at 16 CET
Apr 26 09:57:52 <LetoThe2nd> perfect
Apr 26 09:59:37 * mckoan can't believe that people spend time watching others playing instead of laying themselves
Apr 26 10:00:10 * mckoan (instead of Playing themselves)
Apr 26 10:00:56 <ndec> LetoThe2nd: thanks for you involvement on the twitch! looking forward to the videos ;) I have a twitch account, as ndec13. i will not be around at 4.00 today, but mostly around 4.20 or 4.30..
Apr 26 10:01:11 <ndec> so i might miss your live feed ;)
Apr 26 10:02:25 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: oh we'll see how long i test. plan to do a run over wifi, and one over 4g as fall back so you'll certainly get something to watch by then.
Apr 26 10:02:40 <ndec> ok!
Apr 26 10:02:47 <mcfrisk> seeing funny sstate cache bugs. if recipe defines SRC_URI with SRC_URI_bla, then SRC_URI_bla is not affecting sstate checksum
Apr 26 10:03:20 <LetoThe2nd> mckoan: some of the streamers have good qulities like radio moderators. but yeah, my impression is thats in many cases just like a remote way to hang out with your friends.
Apr 26 10:04:09 <LetoThe2nd> mckoan: i think the trick is to have the content curated just that little bit beforehand, so you can make that important difference between just babbling and really telling something.
Apr 26 10:05:00 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: set you mod+editor too.
Apr 26 10:15:25 <derRichard> guys, can it be that SYSTEMD_AUTO_ENABLE_${PN} = "disable" does not work for openssh? i'd like to have openssh disabled by default. but the sshd.socket service is always enabled ;-\
Apr 26 10:15:41 <derRichard> i have a openssh_%.bbappend file that has the SYSTEMD_AUTO_ENABLE_... line
Apr 26 11:24:16 <yocti> New news from stackoverflow: Add include path in a yocto recipe for a qt app? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55866408/add-include-path-in-a-yocto-recipe-for-a-qt-app>
Apr 26 11:39:22 <ndec> LetoThe2nd: ok! btw, on LinkedIn someone said "Would request to include yocto-kernel-cache topic if possible." not sure how you are planning to track incoming requests..
Apr 26 11:47:51 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: good question. we could keep a kind of scratchpad where we log things to? basically this is one of the things why i asked for somebody to be around and team up with me for the chat, as i won't be able to stream and properly handle that in a live situation, at least not for the first couple of times. maybe with more experience.
Apr 26 11:48:18 <mcfrisk> gah, sshd host key generation takes for ever without serial console login etc interupts. static keys the only way out?
Apr 26 11:48:33 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: so far twitch does not seem to provide a chatlog download so far, this would have been the easiest way for later review
Apr 26 11:48:50 <ndec> LetoThe2nd: we could have a landing page on the wiki
Apr 26 11:50:05 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: plus, this particular request already shows one of the main pain points i expect, but have not worded yet: questions for topics that i do not know well or at all
Apr 26 11:51:15 <ndec> i was hoping you would know everything..
Apr 26 11:51:46 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: my long term strategy there would be that i personally focus on the entry level, therefore kind of taking care of the tedious every day work, and that somebody else, more knowledgeable, might do additional higher level sessions in the future to complement me
Apr 26 11:52:10 <LetoThe2nd> but thats really something time will have to chow
Apr 26 11:52:15 <LetoThe2nd> and also show.
Apr 26 11:52:23 <LetoThe2nd> perfect typo.
Apr 26 11:53:40 <ndec> yeah.. it's an interesting experience. if it works out well, we will need to pull in more people on a case by case need..
Apr 26 11:54:00 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: thats the hope.
Apr 26 11:54:25 <yocti> New news from stackoverflow: Yocto fails to create a new target directory <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55866590/yocto-fails-to-create-a-new-target-directory>
Apr 26 11:54:58 <LetoThe2nd> ndec: i'll happily serve as front line warrior, but my speaking experience show that i'm way better at guiding and getting newbies interested than doing really nittygritty details.
Apr 26 11:56:20 <ndec> let's not worry about that for now, and do our best to create a good (new) communication channel.. if we have lots of requests, it will be a good problem to manage!
Apr 26 11:56:46 <LetoThe2nd> cheers to that.
Apr 26 12:44:07 <LetoThe2nd> .
Apr 26 13:06:17 <RP> mcfrisk: In a VM?
Apr 26 14:00:18 <mckoan> LetoThe2nd: ready
Apr 26 14:01:27 <LetoThe2nd> same here
Apr 26 14:01:53 <LetoThe2nd> just doing some last set up
Apr 26 14:03:43 <LetoThe2nd> RP, mckoan, ndec OK, we should be starting live now
Apr 26 14:04:49 <RP> LetoThe2nd: taking a look
Apr 26 14:34:17 <paulbarker> LetoThe2nd: Stream all looked good, I've subscribed on twitch so should get a notification for the upcoming streams :)
Apr 26 14:34:51 <paulbarker> I may be able to do a live build & deploy on Raspberry Pi in the future so let me know if that's worth doing
Apr 26 14:35:57 <derRichard> LetoThe2nd: maybe you can use a bold font next time in your terminal. on my side the font ware not very clear and rather coarse-grained
Apr 26 14:36:59 <LetoThe2nd> derRichard: ok, will look into that. thanks for the feedback!
Apr 26 14:37:22 <LetoThe2nd> paulbarker: about everything thats being possible to show is worth showing, methinks.
Apr 26 14:38:18 <LetoThe2nd> paulbarker: i mean, one of the key points on twitch is that the expected content preparation and stringency (is that a word?) level is considerably lower than on a classic webcast
Apr 26 14:39:14 <LetoThe2nd> read that as: relax, show lots of things, fail fast, fail often, learn something.
Apr 26 14:41:20 <paulbarker> That definitely makes sense
Apr 26 14:41:39 <paulbarker> Just need to prep some sstate before going live :)
Apr 26 14:41:48 <LetoThe2nd> paulbarker: heh, did that for sure
Apr 26 14:42:23 <LetoThe2nd> i'm even amazed that my battery served the whole thing, and still going
Apr 26 14:43:26 <paulbarker> LetoThe2nd: I need to get to the pub myself but will have a think over the weekend what else would be good to do for a Yocto livestream
Apr 26 14:44:09 <paulbarker> Got a pretty good video call setup here plus a bunch of cheap dev boards like rpi and beaglebone with serial port connections set up
Apr 26 14:45:53 <LetoThe2nd> paulbarker: sure do so. ndec already had a request for yocto-kernel-cache :P
Apr 26 14:46:22 <LetoThe2nd> paulbarker: or real hw, cool! i am limited to whatever i cna show off with just my laptop, at least for now.
Apr 26 14:48:41 <LetoThe2nd> so, i'm off into the weekend! thanks everybody again and see you!
Apr 26 14:49:06 <mckoan> LetoThe2nd: thank you. Have a nice weekend
Apr 26 15:31:13 <ronybeck> How can I make a recipe ignore an unpackaged file?
Apr 26 15:31:46 <kergoth> remove it in do_install_append / do_install is best
Apr 26 15:31:58 <kergoth> better is to package it, but removal works, case by case
Apr 26 15:34:50 <ronybeck> I tried that.  It seems to be still there :-(
Apr 26 15:35:45 <ronybeck> freeswitch is a piece of shit
Apr 26 15:38:17 <kergoth> if you removed it in do_install, it wouldn't be unpcakaged
Apr 26 15:38:22 <kergoth> so most likely you didn't remove the correct path
Apr 26 15:38:31 <kergoth> it has to be relative to ${D} in do_install
Apr 26 15:38:34 <kergoth> i.e. rm -f ${D}${bindir}/foo
Apr 26 15:40:12 <ronybeck> I have this in do_install_append(): rmdir ${D}/run
Apr 26 15:45:33 <RP> armpit: my experiment with ltp on the autobuilder didn't end well: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/81/builds/157 :(
Apr 26 15:45:37 <RP> (timeout)
Apr 26 15:47:28 <armpit> hmm
Apr 26 15:48:17 <RP> armpit: I might hack bitbake to provide output every 5000s...
Apr 26 15:54:06 <armpit> RP, ah I don't see ltp in the test suite?
Apr 26 15:54:20 <armpit> did you munge it into the ptests?
Apr 26 15:54:24 <RP> armpit: I added some hacks which should have added it
Apr 26 15:54:31 <armpit> oh
Apr 26 15:54:31 <mckoan> does exist any updated document explaining how to setup an AB machine?
Apr 26 15:55:00 <armpit> mckoan, there is a README in the repo
Apr 26 15:55:15 <RP> mckoan: yocto-autobuilder2 and yocto-autobuilder-helper do have READMEs
Apr 26 15:55:30 <RP> docs are suboptimal for it :(
Apr 26 15:56:22 <armpit> RP, are there any logs we can lock at to see what did get run ?
Apr 26 15:56:50 <RP> armpit: if you ssh into the worker, yes
Apr 26 15:57:12 <armpit> RP, we can not call it ptest.. we need a different name
Apr 26 15:57:39 <RP> armpit: I'm undecided whether we split ltp onto another builder
Apr 26 15:57:47 <RP> armpit: this was purely to test it
Apr 26 15:57:50 <armpit> it will only confuse people
Apr 26 15:58:35 <mckoan> RP: armpit: do you mean this? http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder/tree/README
Apr 26 15:59:09 <armpit> no
Apr 26 15:59:33 <armpit> http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder-helper/tree/README
Apr 26 15:59:35 <mckoan> armpit: as I suspected, is not clear which one to use
Apr 26 15:59:48 <RP> http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder2/tree/README.md and  http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder2/tree/README-WALKTHROUGHS.md
Apr 26 16:00:05 <RP> I did specifically say "yocto-autobuilder2", not yocto-autobuilder
Apr 26 16:00:33 <armpit> the 2 is silent ; )
Apr 26 16:00:34 <mckoan> RP: sorry, thanks
Apr 26 16:02:09 <armpit> RP, ltp, ptest and lsb are special case runtime tests.. need a better name to repo those kinds of tests
Apr 26 16:02:24 <armpit> s/repo/represent/
Apr 26 16:02:54 <mcfrisk> RP: no, on an arm board. sshgenkeys is taking for ever as is something within ssh daemon to start accepting connections. using openssl 1.1.1a and openssh from thud
Apr 26 16:03:29 <mcfrisk> I'm assuming the problem is same as https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=912087
Apr 26 16:03:31 <armpit> mcfrisk, yeah, notice that too on real hardware
Apr 26 16:04:07 <RP> mckoan: I just pushed http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder/commit/?id=1369545f9819537535e4ab6ebeb49e7b173a8366 to make this really clear
Apr 26 16:04:28 <RP> mcfrisk: sounds like random number generation issues
Apr 26 16:04:38 <mcfrisk> I use ssh to run tests so this is kind of killing the test farm. can't increase timeouts to 15 minutes or more
Apr 26 16:04:41 <mcfrisk> yea
Apr 26 16:04:42 <RP> mcfrisk: maybe need to configure an rng in the kernel?
Apr 26 16:05:02 <mcfrisk> any hints to the correct kernel options for imx8?
Apr 26 16:05:23 <RP> mcfrisk: no idea, I only fixed this with VMs and rng virtio
Apr 26 16:07:12 <neverpanic> mcfrisk: you could probably install haveged as well.
Apr 26 16:09:30 <rburton_> if the hardware has a rng then you should be able to hook that up
Apr 26 16:09:31 <mcfrisk> neverpanic: haveged is GPLv3 so no
Apr 26 16:11:14 <neverpanic> you could for testing, but I agree that's probably quite fiddly.
Apr 26 16:12:09 <rburton_> mcfrisk: https://main.lv/writeup/kernel_dev_hwrng.md has some interesting pointers
Apr 26 16:12:42 <mcfrisk> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_IMX_RNG seems to be what I would need
Apr 26 16:14:01 <rburton_> indeedy
Apr 26 16:15:23 <mcfrisk> rburton_: thanks for the link, will browse through
Apr 26 16:50:28 <justanotherboy> RP: for util-linux's ptest I've been checking the dependencies for the test in order to enable most of them.
Apr 26 16:50:41 <justanotherboy> RP: For several tests, the SCSI_DEBUG kernel module is needed, but I don't know if we should enable this module.
Apr 26 16:54:58 <RP> justanotherboy: we need to talk to zeddii about that
Apr 26 16:55:52 <RP> justanotherboy: assuming we can enable it without bad side effects, we can the RRECOMMENDS_${PN}-ptest += "kernel-module-scsi-debug" or whatever
Apr 26 17:01:34 <justanotherboy> RP: We would need to build the kernel with that option. Might be a good idea to add the configuration option to the yocto-kernel-cache repo? I think that is the part we need to ask to zeddii
Apr 26 17:01:57 <RP> justanotherboy: correct
Apr 26 17:03:42 <justanotherboy> RP: Meanwhile I'll send the patch with the missing RDEPENDS
Apr 26 17:04:32 <kergoth> nice, https://github.blog/2018-08-28-announcing-paper-cuts/
Apr 26 17:05:40 <RP> justanotherboy: since its a REECOMMENDS we can probably just add it anyway
Apr 26 17:07:01 <justanotherboy> RP: OK, I'll send the patch with the kernel module as RRECOMMENDS
Apr 26 17:07:14 <RP> justanotherboy: sounds good thanks!
Apr 26 17:09:26 <RP> zeddii: looks like they've revised the kernel patch a little more
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