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Oct 31 04:08:39 <f00f-> muthu: it's pretty good
Oct 31 04:08:56 <f00f-> i have issues with signal, no idea why
Oct 31 04:09:04 <f00f-> i have a demo tomorrow, so hopefully it works
Oct 31 04:09:10 <muthu> f00f-: good luck
Oct 31 04:09:12 <f00f-> thx
Oct 31 04:13:57 <dmoffett> f00f:  When the phone is having issues with connectivity does your app have problems as well?
Oct 31 04:14:31 <f00f-> dmoffett: it just can't access the network ;)
Oct 31 04:14:38 <f00f-> i have to test with wifi at home
Oct 31 04:14:52 <f00f-> and the screen locking on the G1 totally is a piece of garbage
Oct 31 04:14:54 <dmoffett> Right but do you get the force quit panel or wait panel?
Oct 31 04:15:05 <f00f-> no
Oct 31 04:15:11 <f00f-> i have exception  handling in place :D
Oct 31 04:15:52 <dmoffett> At least I think I do but for some reason I htink it hangs long enough to get the panel.
Oct 31 04:16:18 <dmoffett> If wait is pressed then the app is fine.
Oct 31 04:16:40 <dmoffett> but the service that runs in the back ground is not behaving well.
Oct 31 04:16:44 <f00f-> i also can't find a decent calendar app. built-in one is broken.
Oct 31 04:17:03 <f00f-> dmoffett: hmm, you might be depending or blocking on some network activity?
Oct 31 04:17:25 <dmoffett> I guess I will need to add a thread :-(
Oct 31 04:17:46 <dmoffett> Or maybe I can time it out.
Oct 31 04:18:55 <f00f-> yeah
Oct 31 04:18:58 <f00f-> threa dit
Oct 31 04:19:03 <f00f-> and kill the thread after some time
Oct 31 04:19:04 <f00f-> err
Oct 31 04:19:07 <f00f-> if you use HttpClient
Oct 31 04:19:10 <f00f-> you can set a timeout
Oct 31 04:19:45 <dmoffett> It is the Geocode or getLastKnowLocation
Oct 31 04:20:51 <dmoffett> I really don't want to add threads but I guess that is the only way.  :-(
Oct 31 04:20:53 <f00f-> hmm ok
Oct 31 04:20:59 <f00f-> probably getLKL
Oct 31 04:21:03 <f00f-> also Geocode
Oct 31 04:21:05 <f00f-> Geocode is lame
Oct 31 04:21:06 <f00f-> actually
Oct 31 04:21:11 <f00f-> it is probably blocking
Oct 31 04:21:13 <dmoffett> nice to know.
Oct 31 04:22:59 <f00f-> put a Thread harness around it
Oct 31 04:23:09 <f00f-> and brutally murder it if it takes too long
Oct 31 04:23:37 <f00f-> the BofA app looks sexy
Oct 31 04:23:44 <f00f-> iPhonesque lists
Oct 31 04:28:45 <muthu> murder. sex. .
Oct 31 04:28:54 <muthu> what channel is this ;)
Oct 31 05:25:15 <f00f-> is there a way to compose an SMS but not send it?
Oct 31 05:25:26 <f00f-> ie. open the SMS app with a recipient and a msg body
Oct 31 07:48:34 <muthu> hmm.. i might have found the alertdialog bug
Oct 31 13:28:30 <eburnette> morning
Oct 31 13:29:09 <michaelnovakjr> morning
Oct 31 13:29:24 <michaelnovakjr> eburnette: you were looking for a file manager right?
Oct 31 13:29:32 <eburnette> anybody know how people are a) detecting updates and b) from the app they are jumping to their android market page?
Oct 31 13:30:07 <eburnette> michaelnovakjr: I found a file manager but I didn't like the ui
Oct 31 13:30:18 <michaelnovakjr> http://androidnerds.com/
Oct 31 13:30:24 <michaelnovakjr> I wrote one called Glance
Oct 31 13:30:32 <michaelnovakjr> i'm getting ready to put it on the market
Oct 31 13:30:54 <languish> it came in handy yesterday
Oct 31 13:30:55 <michaelnovakjr> just a few more things i'd like to take care of with it
Oct 31 13:31:08 <eburnette> i'll download it when I see it
Oct 31 13:31:17 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Oct 31 13:31:22 <michaelnovakjr> should be up this weekend
Oct 31 13:31:26 <languish> I swapped microsd cards, and the video player didn't see the new video files
Oct 31 13:31:38 <languish> I wanted to check to make sure they were there without plugging in to the laptop via usb
Oct 31 13:31:54 <eburnette> we need a good bash shell too
Oct 31 13:32:10 <michaelnovakjr> i'm looking into that to
Oct 31 13:32:11 <michaelnovakjr> o
Oct 31 13:32:29 <languish> after glance accessed the microsd card, the video player finally picked up the videos
Oct 31 13:32:38 <michaelnovakjr> i was attempting to port over my RemoteLogger for debugging but having trouble with the BufferedReader
Oct 31 13:32:42 <eburnette> ok, then we need a better application manager :)
Oct 31 13:33:45 <eburnette> I was trying to clear up some space this morning, it was painful.
Oct 31 13:33:51 <languish> when you get the remotelogger working, it'll be great for other devs
Oct 31 13:35:12 <michaelnovakjr> yea
Oct 31 13:35:21 <michaelnovakjr> it runs the commands, but doesn't grab the output
Oct 31 13:35:25 <michaelnovakjr> very odd
Oct 31 13:35:30 <eburnette> TWIMC: Do you talk about Android in your blog? Get listed on PlanetAndroid.com, the Android community aggregator.
Oct 31 13:35:58 <languish> o.O
Oct 31 14:32:38 <plusminus_> anyone knows if there are console-emulator-projects floating around (like for SNES) for Android?
Oct 31 14:34:32 <languish> there's a agmeboy emu on the market, but it's far from complete
Oct 31 14:34:36 <languish> *gameboy
Oct 31 14:34:43 <languish> quite sure there are others
Oct 31 14:34:58 <languish> they just haven't been revealed yet
Oct 31 14:35:04 <plusminus_> snes and others would be awesome :)
Oct 31 14:35:19 <languish> give it time, they'll come. they always do
Oct 31 14:35:20 <smr> Is it fast enough??? The cpu is plenty powerful enough to run GB natively... but from the dalvik VM?
Oct 31 14:35:37 <languish> the gameboy emu is not fast enough, it needs more optimization
Oct 31 14:35:55 <languish> but it looks like it may get there
Oct 31 14:36:11 <smr> I'd be very impressed with dalvik if that were possible
Oct 31 14:36:29 <languish> I don't see why it wouldn't be
Oct 31 14:36:29 <plusminus_> The Super Nintendo Entertainment System was Nintendo's first 16 bit gaming console that was originally released in Japan. Specs:      * CPU: 65c816 (16-bit)     * CPU speed: 2.68 and 3.58 Mhz     * RAM memory: 1 Mbit (128 Kbyte)
Oct 31 14:36:36 <plusminus_> :-D
Oct 31 14:37:14 <plusminus_> so even if it takes 10x to emulate it would be still damn fast
Oct 31 14:37:18 <smr> the snes had a couple of slave processors that needed to be emulated too
Oct 31 14:37:32 <smr> a graphics and sound processor
Oct 31 14:37:34 <languish> I can run snes ported flash games just fine on 400mhz celeron pc's with 32MB ram
Oct 31 14:37:37 <plusminus_> hm dunno but imo still possible
Oct 31 14:38:04 <languish> that's with windows, background procs.. the works
Oct 31 14:38:12 <smr> it's not the same
Oct 31 14:38:20 <languish> android should end up far more efficient over time
Oct 31 14:39:18 <plusminus_> oh just seen this: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2008/10/30/androidboy-game-boy-emulator-debuts-on-the-android-market/ probably what you've said before
Oct 31 14:40:10 <zhobbs> the description for that app says that it's a trial and will stop working in January
Oct 31 14:40:32 <languish> which is fine. that way people go looking for an updated version later
Oct 31 14:40:42 <languish> and don't whine that the one they have sucks
Oct 31 14:41:00 <zhobbs> languish: he's hoping he can charge for the d/l in january
Oct 31 14:41:04 <languish> anyway, this convo belongs in #android
Oct 31 14:42:14 <Tauno> a general noob question from me: I have two activities - one activity needs to do something if the user presses the back key to return to the previous one. How do I determine this event? catching KEYCODE_BACK in onKeyUp() does not do the trick because it is triggered also when I close the options menu in this activity.. but I wan tto catch it only when the user is navigating back to the...
Oct 31 14:42:16 <Tauno> ...prev. activity..
Oct 31 14:43:08 <zhobbs> Tauno: the back button will close the open activity, revealing the previous one
Oct 31 14:43:45 <Tauno> when I have the menu open then it will just close the menu
Oct 31 14:44:10 <Tauno> and trigger a onKeyUp() event with KEYCODE_BACK
Oct 31 14:44:15 <zhobbs> yeah, that's the expected behavior
Oct 31 14:44:36 <Tauno> if I press back while there is no menu open then it will also trigger a onKeyUp() event with KEYCODE_BACK
Oct 31 14:45:09 <Tauno> my problem is that I want to call foo() only in the second case..
Oct 31 14:45:17 <smr> I heard something about packaging a native library with your apk somehow?
Oct 31 14:45:44 <zhobbs> Tauno: generally you would just let it do it's thing and then maybe call foo in onDestroy()?
Oct 31 14:46:09 <zhobbs> or setResult()
Oct 31 14:46:42 <Tauno> onDestroy() is called too late in my case (after ~10 seconds).. I want to do it right after the user presses "back"
Oct 31 14:47:04 <zhobbs> then do onKeyDown() or onKeyUp()
Oct 31 14:48:25 <Tauno> zhobbs and how do I know if the onKeyUp is called in response to closing the menu or it's called when the user just pressed the back key to navigate away from the activity? :)
Oct 31 14:50:14 <zhobbs> Tauno: you sure onKeyDown is called when the user closes the menu?
Oct 31 14:50:22 <Tauno> yes
Oct 31 14:50:49 <zhobbs> Tauno: I don't think it is...
Oct 31 14:50:54 <Tauno> onKeyUp that is.
Oct 31 14:50:59 <Tauno> I'll try onKeyDown then :)
Oct 31 14:51:10 <zhobbs> onKeyUp might, but onKeyDown doesn't look like it does
Oct 31 14:56:07 <Tauno> whoa, thanks.. didn't think of it this way - the menu consumes the keydown event and closes itself.. and keyup is sent to the underlying activity :)
Oct 31 14:56:29 <zhobbs> yeah, I never thought about it before either
Oct 31 15:25:34 <vol> Someone mentioned this in #android, but is there a specific listener/method for long touches? How do I capture them?
Oct 31 15:25:52 <michaelnovakjr> yes
Oct 31 15:26:00 <michaelnovakjr> there's a long click listener
Oct 31 15:26:07 <michaelnovakjr> one sec
Oct 31 15:28:54 <zhobbs> android.view.View.OnLongClickListener
Oct 31 15:29:21 <vol> Ah
Oct 31 15:29:21 <vol> thanks
Oct 31 15:30:52 <vol> Huh, I never saw that, was just looking for it.
Oct 31 15:30:55 <vol> thanks
Oct 31 15:37:01 <elad> interesting
Oct 31 15:38:09 <zhobbs> you can also so Activity.registerForContextMenu(View v)
Oct 31 15:38:23 <zhobbs> do*
Oct 31 16:26:16 <ttuttle> SanMehat: morning
Oct 31 17:33:23 <duncanfoo> with a editview what can I use to get callbacks of text changes? I installed a focus lisestener, but when I press enter in the field it expands the field by a row? it also doesn't seem to give up focus when I, for example, click on a button...
Oct 31 17:34:04 <romainguy_> there's a TextWatcher
Oct 31 17:34:08 <romainguy_> or TextCHangeWatcher
Oct 31 17:34:14 <romainguy_> there's something, read the docs :)
Oct 31 17:34:33 <duncanfoo> ahha, textwatcher is the one. thanks!
Oct 31 17:35:26 <duncanfoo> but there is no concept that the user is "done" with the edit field?
Oct 31 17:35:39 <duncanfoo> ie: on the iPhone you are explicitely told when the user is finished with editing the field
Oct 31 17:35:40 <romainguy_> not really
Oct 31 17:35:53 <romainguy_> depends what you mean by done
Oct 31 17:36:25 <duncanfoo> the typical usage method is to ask the field for its value when the user does some activity then.
Oct 31 17:36:36 <duncanfoo> (as opposed to caching the field when the user "finishes" editing the text field)
Oct 31 17:36:44 <duncanfoo> *field value that is
Oct 31 17:36:51 <romainguy_> yes, usually you query getText() every time you need it
Oct 31 17:37:22 <duncanfoo> ok. with the iPhone the editing of a field is always a very explicit activity because the keyboard pops up/down
Oct 31 17:37:28 <duncanfoo> ok, thanks!
Oct 31 17:37:37 <romainguy_> because of the keyboard we couldn't do that
Oct 31 17:37:41 <romainguy_> EditText is focusable in touch mode
Oct 31 17:37:56 <romainguy_> meaning that if you have an EditText on screen, it keeps the focus even if you touch another widget
Oct 31 17:38:02 <romainguy_> (unelss that other widget is focusable in touch mode)
Oct 31 17:38:40 <duncanfoo> yeah
Oct 31 17:41:28 <oinkboink> is it possible to set an onClickListener on a drawing(Canvas)?
Oct 31 17:41:41 <romainguy_> er, what?
Oct 31 17:42:27 <oinkboink> what? ^^
Oct 31 17:43:00 <romainguy_> I don't understand what you want to do :)
Oct 31 17:44:24 <oinkboink> is there a possibility to draw e.g. an square and set an onClickListener for it
Oct 31 17:44:52 <oinkboink> or is that only possible with Buttons?
Oct 31 17:48:47 <romainguy_> you can't set a click listner on something you drew
Oct 31 17:48:52 <romainguy_> but you can set a click listener on your entire view
Oct 31 17:49:12 <romainguy_> or you could set a touch event listener and check the touch coordinates against the position/size of your square
Oct 31 17:50:51 <oinkboink> i need 36 fields on the screen, maybe the best way is to use Buttons
Oct 31 17:52:46 <oinkboink> ...for a easy drumcomputer, the fields are the samples which will be played when theyre activated
Oct 31 18:23:01 <duncanfoo> what has replaced UIThreadUtilities?
Oct 31 18:25:00 <duncanfoo> ok, Activity.runOnUiThread
Oct 31 18:45:44 <duncanfoo> how do I stop an indeterminate progress bar from animating?
Oct 31 19:12:43 <romainguy_> you make it determined
Oct 31 19:16:19 <duncanfoo> mm
Oct 31 19:16:19 <duncanfoo> I tried that
Oct 31 19:16:30 <duncanfoo> the documentation on that widget is a bit lacking I think
Oct 31 19:16:59 <romainguy_> file a bug or contribute :)
Oct 31 19:17:26 <duncanfoo> if I knew how it was supposed to work I could think about that ;)
Oct 31 19:18:10 <romainguy_> well grab the source, read the code, submit a patch :)
Oct 31 19:18:28 <duncanfoo> what hte demo does is make it invisibe.
Oct 31 19:20:43 <duncanfoo> is there going to an SDK release soon with the source?
Oct 31 19:21:33 <romainguy_> the source has been released already
Oct 31 19:21:48 <duncanfoo> in a .jar suitable for use with eclipse? :)
Oct 31 19:22:07 <romainguy_> just download the git repostiroy
Oct 31 19:22:13 <romainguy_> and point Eclipse to the source directly
Oct 31 19:22:40 <duncanfoo> which git repo is the java source for android.blah ?
Oct 31 19:22:52 <romainguy_> platform/base
Oct 31 19:24:48 <duncanfoo> git clone git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/base?
Oct 31 19:25:09 <romainguy_> yes
Oct 31 19:25:30 <duncanfoo> mm... remote end hung up expectectedly
Oct 31 19:29:43 <duncanfoo> frameworks/base perhaps?
Oct 31 19:31:57 <duncanfoo> yes, that's where it is... ok, I'll look at that. thanks!
Oct 31 20:04:25 <oinkboink> is the class Context direct using the AndroidManifest.xml?
Oct 31 20:34:53 <michaelnovakjr> why is it you can run a program through exec but output doesn't come through
Oct 31 20:35:09 <michaelnovakjr> and the application runs successful
Oct 31 20:57:28 <dims>  /msg NickServ identify dims
Oct 31 21:00:39 <ttuttle> dims: ...
Oct 31 21:03:48 <dims> ttuttle, oops!
Oct 31 21:43:14 <andyross> Activity question: when the keyboard is opened, my Activity is getting an onPause()/onResume() pair thrown at it, and when the SurfaceView gets recreated, it reflects the orientation change (e.g. 320x480 -> 480x320).
Oct 31 21:43:14 <andyross> That's really annoying, as it means I need to rejigger the OpenGL matrix state every time.  Is there any way to turn this off?
Oct 31 21:45:13 <ttuttle> andyross: No, it's how it rotates.
Oct 31 21:45:17 <ttuttle> andyross: Actually, maybe.
Oct 31 21:45:41 <ttuttle> andyross: You can declare that your activity knows how to handle those configuration changes (rotations).  But then you have to implement onConfigurationChanged (IIRC) and actually handle it.
Oct 31 21:45:57 <andyross> Sounds promising, off to the docs.
Nov 01 00:01:52 <plusminus_> I have an ANR happening randomly in my app and have no idea how to find out where it happens :/ (Breakpoints do no help a lot, as it happens really few)
Nov 01 00:02:35 <plusminus_> a Log-Messages in every loop are also not that pretty ;)
Nov 01 00:08:16 <gambler> plusminus_, you could try revwalking older versions of your code and then diffing them?
Nov 01 00:10:59 <gambler> oh I just saw that is random
Nov 01 00:11:02 <gambler> unlucky :p
Nov 01 00:34:14 <plusminus_> Imo its since I added a simple matrix to transform a view to look like it has depth
Nov 01 00:34:31 <plusminus_> but why should a calculating a matrix with managed methods cause a ANR :/
Nov 01 00:34:48 <plusminus_> ok its an undocumeted API...
Nov 01 00:35:12 <plusminus_> or at least not properly documented: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/graphics/Camera.html
Nov 01 00:35:19 <plusminus_> using some native code :/
Nov 01 01:01:14 <mocsrox> ne1 haxorin on the GridView?
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