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Nov 13 05:13:00 <stanter> when does android do network initialization?
Nov 13 05:13:55 <stanter> i can ping addresses(resolve as well) from a terminal on my device but the browser isn't happy
Nov 13 07:40:05 <muthu_> ==> anyone know how sdk_deps.mk is created?
Nov 13 14:17:15 <duncanfoo> anyone know how to discover the current screen orientation?
Nov 13 14:19:24 <plusminus_> yes. wait a moment...
Nov 13 14:20:09 <plusminus_> maybe not the best way
Nov 13 14:20:32 <plusminus_> http://www.anddev.org/screen_in_landscape_mode-t3463.html
Nov 13 14:20:38 <duncanfoo> actually, what I want to do is
Nov 13 14:20:49 <duncanfoo> use different layouts depending on whether the device is landscape, or portrait
Nov 13 14:20:51 <plusminus_> the ScreenOrientation-Constants are stored in sth like ActivityInfo.SCREENORIENTATION_XYZ
Nov 13 14:22:18 <duncanfoo> I defined two layouts
Nov 13 14:22:20 <duncanfoo> main
Nov 13 14:22:22 <duncanfoo> and main_landscape
Nov 13 14:22:49 <duncanfoo> I found this thread http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/baa791a8964efbe9/4f40b0e843ccefd8?lnk=raot that discusses that stuff
Nov 13 14:27:32 <duncanfoo> when I change the orientation in eclipse I get a warning next to the Orient dialog
Nov 13 14:34:24 <duncanfoo> ok, there is an easy way
Nov 13 14:34:27 <duncanfoo> create layout-land
Nov 13 14:34:31 <duncanfoo> and put a layout in there with the same name
Nov 13 14:44:12 <duncanfoo> although eclipse dones't like it very much!
Nov 13 14:44:18 <duncanfoo> if I edit the first, and the second layout
Nov 13 14:44:25 <duncanfoo> it screws everything up :(
Nov 13 15:04:05 <SanMehat> morning
Nov 13 15:22:15 <tauno> evening :)
Nov 13 15:25:24 <jbq> morning :)
Nov 13 16:03:29 <duncanfoo> why wouldn't the default onSaveInstanceState save the state of a spinner?
Nov 13 16:03:56 <duncanfoo> actually, its a seek bar
Nov 13 16:03:58 <duncanfoo> the spinner works
Nov 13 16:05:47 <duncanfoo> actually... I bet this is related to why the seekbar never receives focus when using the trackball on the GT1
Nov 13 16:05:49 <duncanfoo> G1
Nov 13 16:29:19 <tauno> duncanfoo, yeha, that has been bothering me also..
Nov 13 16:29:25 <duncanfoo> any idea on why save/restore doesn't work?
Nov 13 16:30:59 <duncanfoo> it looks to me like a bug actually
Nov 13 16:31:06 <duncanfoo> looking at the saved state after calling onSave...
Nov 13 16:31:19 <duncanfoo> I see some state, but nothing for the seek bar
Nov 13 16:32:58 <duncanfoo> I don't think progress bar (and therefore seek bar) supports it
Nov 13 16:33:04 <duncanfoo> looking at the source... there is no saved state in there
Nov 13 16:33:07 <duncanfoo> unlike the text view
Nov 13 17:20:41 <jasta> i dont think its appropriate for the progress bar to save state automaticlaly
Nov 13 17:21:21 <jasta> because, unlike a listview position, the progress is likely to have changed at some point between when the user left your activity and then returned.
Nov 13 17:22:03 <jasta> being that progress bars are used to indicate work.
Nov 13 17:33:54 <tauno> jasta, yes, but not the seek bar
Nov 13 17:36:09 <jasta> well, i use the seek bar in this way :)
Nov 13 17:36:37 <jasta> still, you could extend SeekBar and just implement saving its state can't you?
Nov 13 17:57:22 <tauno> sure.. I was just wondering why it's not built in:)
Nov 13 18:05:26 <duncanfoo> its not so simple to extend it is it?
Nov 13 18:05:34 <duncanfoo> how can I get it in a layout?
Nov 13 18:10:10 <duncanfoo> if I change hte orientation while I'm showing a dialog in my actiivty
Nov 13 18:10:13 <duncanfoo> I get an exception in the log
Nov 13 18:10:41 <duncanfoo> 11-13 18:09:39.674: ERROR/WindowManager(832): android.view.WindowLeaked: Activity .... has leaked window com.android.internal.policy.impl.PhoneWindow$DecorView@43483af8 that was originally added here
Nov 13 18:10:49 <duncanfoo> is that expected?
Nov 13 18:11:00 <romainguy_> if you leak the dialog, yes
Nov 13 18:11:15 <tauno> I guess so.. that happens every time when a dialog is open and you close the activity without closing the dialog
Nov 13 18:11:31 <tauno> it also happens to the "native" apps, so don't worry :P
Nov 13 18:11:57 <romainguy_> no, you have to worry about it
Nov 13 18:12:07 <romainguy_> the easiest way to do it properly is to use managed dialogs
Nov 13 18:12:18 <romainguy_> if you don't, then you have to dismiss the dialog yourself in onDestroy
Nov 13 18:13:07 <duncanfoo> the dialog in question is an alert
Nov 13 18:13:31 <duncanfoo> what you are suggesting then is to use a onCreateDialog dialog for that?
Nov 13 18:13:34 <romainguy_> so? you still should manage it properly :)
Nov 13 18:13:40 <romainguy_> yes
Nov 13 18:14:17 <duncanfoo> ok
Nov 13 18:14:35 <duncanfoo> any comment on the seekbar not saving state correctly? :) it smells like a bug to me, and it was certainly suprising :)
Nov 13 18:15:30 <romainguy_> probably a bug
Nov 13 18:15:57 <duncanfoo> how to file?
Nov 13 18:18:36 <duncanfoo> also if I use onCreateDialog to create an error message dialog which contains a different message (like, for example, an exception)
Nov 13 18:18:43 <duncanfoo> then how to arrange that?
Nov 13 18:18:58 <duncanfoo> save the text in a state varialbe, and then use onPrepareDialog?
Nov 13 18:19:11 <tauno> romainguy, (dorry, I'm hopping channels here) but I had no luck with the text centering -> I have a Y coordinate that's in the center.. I want the text to also use the same center. tried using (y+fontHeight/2-descent) etc but no luck..
Nov 13 18:19:32 <tauno> ..ah I'm tired.. I don't understand what I'm trying to do anymore :P
Nov 13 18:20:24 <tauno> going to sleep.. let's see if I can cut the 1px mis-alignment tomorrow :P
Nov 13 20:32:49 <famast> MediaPlayer needs a isPrepared method
Nov 13 21:30:02 <marcone> famast: why is that?
Nov 13 22:03:22 <jasta> marcone: did you ever look over some of the issues i posted regarding the MediaPlayer?
Nov 13 22:03:37 <jasta> like, the numerous ways in which it can hang the calling thread
Nov 13 22:03:45 <jasta> or throw IllegalStateException for no good reason
Nov 13 22:04:39 <marcone> Sorry, I haven't had time yet. We have someone working on the IllegalStateException stuff though.
Nov 13 22:07:10 <vol> Can anyone internal to google tell me how you create new YAFFS2 images?
Nov 13 22:07:18 <vol> and/or how to make a bigger effing /data mount
Nov 13 22:07:37 <vol> say, the 128M on the phone instead of 64M on the emu
Nov 13 22:13:21 <vol> or, for that matter, has anyone got a working binary of mkyaffsimage? : (
Nov 13 22:13:24 <vol> I'll settle for that
Nov 13 22:23:13 <vol> or rather mkyaffs2image.c
Nov 13 22:23:15 <vol> er
Nov 13 22:23:20 <vol> mkyaffs2image
Nov 13 22:31:46 <vol> nevermind, it's part of the source :P
Nov 13 23:14:35 <filosofico> hi to all
Nov 13 23:15:56 <vol> hi
Nov 13 23:17:44 <SanMehat> hi
Nov 13 23:24:04 <Guest99242> sup San
Nov 13 23:24:46 <Guest83562> wtf why does this keep changing me
Nov 13 23:24:57 <vol> ...
Nov 13 23:25:03 <vol> someone else has that name reserved?
Nov 13 23:25:10 <Guest83562> oh
Nov 13 23:57:35 <SanMehat> mikechan: hey
Nov 14 00:04:28 <filosofico> hi ... what kind of permission I have to give to an application to be able to read from "/dev/urandom" (for example)? ... thanks
Nov 14 00:28:19 <KNY> filosofico, why would you want that?
Nov 14 00:28:38 <KNY> is there something wrong with java.util.Random?
Nov 14 00:35:38 <filosofico> KNY: no, I'm developing an extension to the platform. In this platform an application have to read(/write?) specific devices. So i was testing device files from a simple test-application.
Nov 14 00:36:24 <KNY> filosofico, ahh, sorry. I don't know what to tell you for that.
Nov 14 00:41:50 <filosofico> KNY: No problem. Anyway I have found that is possible to access devices according to their permission-bits (like any other linux system). In this case "/dev/urandom" is readable by anyone.
Nov 14 01:49:32 <mpagano_> If I change the height of a spinner, the default arrow does not change. How can I control the arrow size?
Nov 14 01:49:41 <mpagano_> or do I have to use a different arrow image
Nov 14 01:54:59 <jmo> different arrow image
Nov 14 01:55:14 <jmo> is it a 9-patch or an image?
Nov 14 01:55:32 <jmo> it probably should get the new size if it's a 9-patch
Nov 14 02:01:32 <mpagano_> I didn't change the arrow
Nov 14 02:01:42 <mpagano_> jmo: I just tried to use the exiting spinner
Nov 14 02:02:06 <mpagano_> jmo: so I need to create my own arrows, correct?
Nov 14 02:10:30 <plusminus_> how can the audio-channel be chosen of which the volume is controlled using the Hardware-Volume-Buttons?
Nov 14 02:12:14 <spikebike>  heh, I was thinking just the opposite
Nov 14 02:12:15 <plusminus_> setRIngerMode ?
Nov 14 02:12:20 <spikebike> how can I take over the volume buttons
Nov 14 02:12:30 <spikebike> I hate the map zoon in/out
Nov 14 02:12:30 <plusminus_> simply overwrite onKeyDown
Nov 14 02:12:49 <plusminus_> with a keycode... gimme a second
Nov 14 02:13:11 <plusminus_> int   	KEYCODE_VOLUME_DOWN   	   	25   	0x00000019
Nov 14 02:13:13 <plusminus_> int  	KEYCODE_VOLUME_UP  	  	24  	0
Nov 14 02:13:22 <plusminus_> works for me
Nov 14 02:20:46 <spikebike> cool
Nov 14 02:20:54 <spikebike> yeah, I've only see connectobt do it
Nov 14 02:23:08 <plusminus_> np
Nov 14 02:25:36 <jasta> gah, seriously
Nov 14 02:25:41 <jasta> the home app hangs all the freaking time now
Nov 14 02:25:59 <plusminus_> hi jasta
Nov 14 02:26:03 * jasta investigates
Nov 14 02:26:12 <jasta> oh look, it's my app consuming inordinate amounts of CPU :)
Nov 14 02:26:18 <plusminus_> do you know this:
Nov 14 02:26:22 <plusminus_> how can the audio-channel be chosen of which the volume is controlled using the Hardware-Volume-Buttons?
Nov 14 02:26:37 <plusminus_> I mean when I push the Volume buttons the ringer volume gets adjusted
Nov 14 02:26:42 <jasta> setVolumeSomething :)
Nov 14 02:26:44 <jasta> hang on
Nov 14 02:26:50 <plusminus_> only if I'm currently playing a STREAM_MUSIC
Nov 14 02:26:57 <plusminus_> it controls the Music-Volume
Nov 14 02:27:07 <plusminus_> but I want it to always control the music-volume :/
Nov 14 02:27:19 <jasta> setVOlumeControlStream
Nov 14 02:27:35 <plusminus_> in AudioManager ?
Nov 14 02:27:36 <jasta> Activity#...
Nov 14 02:27:58 <jasta> my player app sets it as soon as it enters so that volume buttons control music even when the mediaplayer is idle
Nov 14 02:28:13 <jasta> you need not unset it or remember its existing value
Nov 14 02:28:29 <plusminus_> no
Nov 14 02:28:29 <plusminus_> xD
Nov 14 02:28:29 <plusminus_> thx
Nov 14 02:28:29 <plusminus_> I was blind
Nov 14 02:28:45 <jasta> the only reason i found it was because i have thoroughly read through the Music app source code :)
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