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Nov 23 16:18:05 <nivoc> Hi- Good evening
Nov 23 16:24:48 <nivoc> can someone tell me, on which network we are?
Nov 23 16:25:07 <nivoc> not irc or?
Nov 23 16:28:27 <gambler> any reflection experts here?
Nov 23 16:28:31 <gambler> need to dupe/emulate sun.reflect.ReflectionFactory.newConstructorForSerialization(...)
Nov 23 16:28:50 <gambler> have a few ideas but comments highly welcome
Nov 23 16:28:56 <gambler> nivoc: freenode
Nov 23 16:32:04 <nivoc> thx
Nov 23 22:11:34 <seektherapy> I have a qustion
Nov 23 22:11:38 <seektherapy> question
Nov 23 22:11:43 <ttuttle> seektherapy: Go ahead and ask.
Nov 23 22:13:55 <seektherapy> ok..My friend just purchased a G1 phone and is about to travel to the Bahamas . Is there an android application that she can use that will make her phone calls to the US free... Because most of the time her T-mobile bill is over $3,000.00 whenever she calls from there
Nov 23 22:15:39 <ttuttle> seektherapy: That question is not about Android application development.
Nov 23 22:15:56 <ttuttle> seektherapy: Try #android, Google, or T-Mobile customer service.
Nov 23 22:16:02 <ttuttle> seektherapy:
Nov 23 22:16:04 <seektherapy> Android is what G1 uses
Nov 23 22:16:57 <ttuttle> seektherapy: Yes, but this channel is for people *writing* applications for Android.
Nov 23 22:17:03 <ttuttle> seektherapy: #android is a more general Android-related channel.
Nov 23 22:18:37 <seektherapy> well i figured since you write applications , then it would be something you would know for sure... But thats OK if you don't know..
Nov 23 22:18:58 <Disconnect> thats not an android question anyway
Nov 23 22:19:07 <ttuttle> That's a "I want ___ for free" question.
Nov 23 22:19:17 <ttuttle> "___" is generally not available for free if the carriers can charge for it.
Nov 23 22:19:30 <seektherapy> its obvious you don't know
Nov 23 22:19:49 <ttuttle> seektherapy: The simple answer is get a prepaid SIM.
Nov 23 22:20:17 <ttuttle> seektherapy: The complicated answer is find (or write) a VoIP client and use VoIP service.  Unfortunately, most cellular networks don't like people using them, as it bypasses their (comparatively more expensive) voice call billing.
Nov 23 22:20:26 <Disconnect> or an international roaming plan. we didn't pay much of anything calling from jamaica past few years
Nov 23 22:21:22 <seektherapy> I thought i read something about using grandcentral
Nov 23 22:21:35 <ttuttle> seektherapy: So, GrandCentral would still require an outgoing voice call, as far as I know.
Nov 23 22:21:45 <ttuttle> seektherapy: (Or incoming.)
Nov 23 22:21:55 <ttuttle> seektherapy: If you get free incoming calls then GrandCentral would seem to work.
Nov 23 22:22:14 <seektherapy> i need to read about it
Nov 23 22:25:21 <KNY> what's the Android way to do http requests?
Nov 23 22:25:46 <KNY> when I use URLConnection in the emu I get "java.net.SocketException: unknown error"
Nov 23 22:26:02 <seektherapy> and yes international calls are extremely expensive ...Apparently what t-mobile told me, its because they have to use international towers (something like that)
Nov 23 22:26:48 <KNY> ah, org.apache.http seems to be coming up in the docs
Nov 23 22:28:29 <ttuttle> seektherapy: In other words, they don't have their own towers.
Nov 23 22:28:43 <ttuttle> seektherapy: Makes sense to me.
Nov 23 22:28:47 <seektherapy> something like that
Nov 23 22:30:02 <seektherapy> they have to rent the Bahamas towers...but all cell companies are after a quick buck
Nov 23 22:31:25 <ttuttle> seektherapy: Of course, and even more so when they're charging each other ;-)
Nov 23 22:32:42 <seektherapy> see ttuttle these are the things i run across and think to myself "are these scams?"  http://blog.jajah.com/index.php?/archives/293-VoIP-on-the-T-Mobile-G1-Google-Android-Phone.html
Nov 23 22:37:21 <ttuttle> seektherapy: Eh, search Google and see if anyone else has tried them.
Nov 23 22:37:50 <seektherapy> ttuttle: watch this
Nov 23 22:37:53 <seektherapy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjKUDOYUtPk
Nov 23 22:37:59 <seektherapy> I just get scared
Nov 23 22:38:53 <ttuttle> seektherapy: What is it?
Nov 23 22:39:17 <seektherapy> it give a demo of jaja
Nov 23 22:39:38 <seektherapy> i mean jajah
Nov 23 22:44:49 <seektherapy> but...what concerns me .. doesn't it cost to browse the internet internationally
Nov 23 22:51:26 <seektherapy> ok..i think its legit...even though this is older news , it comes from CNN and ABC news
Nov 23 23:04:27 <seektherapy> ok..i am talking to myself
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