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Nov 30 12:51:58 <eldenz> TiberiumX, thanks, i think i'm slowly getting all those thread/handler/looper/service concepts :)
Nov 30 16:30:09 <TiberiumX> eldenz:  I don't know if I'm the one to thank.  Maybe my incorrect answer prodded romainguy to give a correct one?
Nov 30 16:35:14 <eldenz> heh, i actually figured it out myself by finding the examples in API Demos ...
Nov 30 16:35:54 <eldenz> but runOnUiThread was very usefull to knokw :)
Nov 30 18:05:08 <KNY> is there a way to have a ListView where the items can't be highlighted? I've got android:choiceMode="none" in the XML
Nov 30 18:08:09 <Disconnect> you can hide it easily enough by setting a background in the child widget
Nov 30 18:08:17 <Disconnect> clickable but not highlightable right?
Nov 30 18:11:10 <KNY> Disconnect, no, not clickable
Nov 30 18:11:41 <KNY> well, I have a ListView where the children contain Spinners, so those need to be clickable
Nov 30 18:12:22 <Disconnect> set clickable to false? that might hide the selector. if not, setting the background on the children will prevent it showing up
Nov 30 18:14:24 <KNY> android:clickable="false" fixed the selection; I'll set the background next
Nov 30 18:14:26 <KNY> thanks!
Nov 30 18:14:38 <Disconnect> i had exactly the opposite problem yesterday so :)
Nov 30 19:15:45 <Disconnect> is findViewById expensive? cuz its taking -forever- to pick up 4 edittexts :(
Nov 30 19:40:41 <Disconnect> anyone know why my setcontentview is taking 2 seconds? :( its not a particularly complex layout. basically just a scrollview with rows (linear) containing a label and an edittext.
Nov 30 20:29:08 <budwaa> Is there a class like wifimanager for 3g connections?
Nov 30 20:34:47 <romainguy__> Disconnect: how do you measure these 2 seconds?
Nov 30 20:35:53 <Disconnect> logcat timestamps. currently (#android) I have it converted to a tableview. its tearing through the oncreate and then nothing for 1.5 seconds before I get activitymanager saying "displayed activity"
Nov 30 20:36:04 <Disconnect> (and no display for that time either)
Nov 30 20:38:00 <romainguy__> maybe your adapter is taking a long time then
Nov 30 20:38:09 <romainguy__> between onCreate and the display, layout and drawing happen
Nov 30 20:48:17 <Disconnect> where do i look for that? its a standard xml layout, not doing anything funny.
Nov 30 20:49:26 <romainguy__> you would have to use traceview to profile that
Nov 30 20:49:47 <Disconnect> damn. :(
Nov 30 20:52:36 <Disconnect> http://pastie.org/327256 no output, exit 1 :/
Nov 30 20:52:57 <romainguy__> ah
Nov 30 20:53:03 <romainguy__> because you don't get all the files
Nov 30 20:53:08 <romainguy__> there should be a .key file as well
Nov 30 20:53:14 <romainguy__> and you need to run traceview fillsWindow
Nov 30 20:53:52 <Disconnect> "remote object '/sdcard/fillsWindow.key' does not exist"
Nov 30 20:54:07 <Disconnect> i thought the key was built into the header now
Nov 30 20:54:13 <romainguy__> ah maybe it is
Nov 30 20:54:15 <romainguy__> let me check
Nov 30 20:54:15 <Disconnect> (there is at least a text block above everything)
Nov 30 20:54:19 <romainguy__> how do you generate your trace?
Nov 30 20:54:35 <Disconnect> i followed http://code.google.com/android/reference/traceview.html
Nov 30 20:54:59 <Disconnect> so i've got Debug.startMethodTracing("fillsWindow"); in onCreate, and Debug.stopMethodTracing() in onDestroy
Nov 30 20:55:04 <romainguy__> ok the .key is gone now
Nov 30 20:55:09 <romainguy__> can you try running traceview fillsWindow
Nov 30 20:55:13 <romainguy__> without the .trace?
Nov 30 20:55:16 <Disconnect> yah same error
Nov 30 20:55:20 <Disconnect> (or lack thereof)
Nov 30 20:55:21 <romainguy__> doh
Nov 30 20:55:29 <romainguy__> can you send me your .trace?
Nov 30 20:56:05 <Disconnect> sure. addy?
Nov 30 20:56:12 <romainguy__> romainguy@android.com
Nov 30 20:57:48 <Disconnect> sent
Nov 30 20:59:03 <romainguy__> wow
Nov 30 20:59:13 <romainguy__> I get the same thing
Nov 30 20:59:21 <romainguy__> looks like this trace file is busted somehow
Nov 30 20:59:22 <Disconnect> thats progress at least :)
Nov 30 20:59:30 <Disconnect> its the 50th or so I've generated (prolly 20 or so but..)
Nov 30 20:59:42 <Disconnect> some just covering onCreate, some covering the whole activity
Nov 30 21:01:08 <romainguy__> I tried other versions of traceview it fails as well
Nov 30 21:01:36 <romainguy__> the ones covering just onCreate also fail?
Nov 30 21:01:43 <Disconnect> yah. want one?
Nov 30 21:02:05 <romainguy__> that won't change anything
Nov 30 21:02:07 <Disconnect> actually.. they failed when oncreate took 1.5-2 seconds. not sure what they'll do now that the delay is after that. but i don't expect success :)
Nov 30 21:02:42 <romainguy__> what do you have exactly in your UI?
Nov 30 21:04:34 <Disconnect> linear vert < scroll < table < 6x rows of textview : edittext /table> /scroll> <linear horiz < button button /linear> /linear>
Nov 30 21:04:56 <romainguy__> dang
Nov 30 21:05:11 <romainguy__> that + the very slow startup times you report for Home makes me think there's something bad going on on your device
Nov 30 21:05:22 <romainguy__> (I sent your trace to the traceview guy btw)
Nov 30 21:05:36 <Disconnect> trace from the emulator is no better
Nov 30 21:10:31 <Disconnect> hmm. dmtracedump says:
Nov 30 21:10:32 <Disconnect> Exit from method java/lang/BootClassLoader.getInstance ()Ljava/lang/BootClassLoader; does not match stack:
Nov 30 21:10:32 <Disconnect>    0:      701 dalvik/system/VMDebug.startClassPrep ()V
Nov 30 21:14:17 <romainguy__> can you show me the source code of your activity?
Nov 30 21:14:18 <romainguy__> just the .java
Nov 30 21:16:16 <Disconnect> sent
Nov 30 21:18:01 <romainguy__> what is FillsDbAdapter?
Nov 30 21:18:19 <Disconnect> basically just an expanded notesDbAdapter from the tutorials
Nov 30 21:19:14 <romainguy__> there's nothing wrong with your code
Nov 30 21:19:30 <romainguy__> so for some reason your device is thrashing like crazy :((
Nov 30 21:19:38 <romainguy__> do you have the same startup performance issue in the emulator ?
Nov 30 21:19:39 <Disconnect> other than style and such :)
Nov 30 21:19:42 <Disconnect> and yah, emulator is the same
Nov 30 21:20:17 <Disconnect> been moving back and forth depending on whether i need to charge the phone :)
Nov 30 21:52:39 <budwaa> Any ideas why when i set the background color for linear layout it always goes black?
Nov 30 21:53:13 <budwaa> doing it programmatically i mean
Nov 30 21:57:04 <budwaa> e.g mLinearLayout.setBackgroundColor(0xfff443);
Dec 01 01:39:24 <zart> hello all
Dec 01 01:39:38 <d03boy> i've been bugging the poor guys in #android for the last week
Dec 01 01:39:43 <d03boy> because I didnt know this channel was here
Dec 01 01:41:51 <fnord_> lolwut? I had no idea!
Dec 01 01:42:16 <Disconnect> damn the word is out. we should start #android-realdevs
Dec 01 01:42:22 <zart> lol
Dec 01 01:42:24 <fnord_> =[
Dec 01 01:44:13 <zart> has anyone ever seen java.lang.IllegalStateException: System services not available to Activities before onCreate() ?
Dec 01 01:46:09 <d03boy> no
Dec 01 01:46:20 <TiberiumX> Yeah, it took awhile before I heard about this one.  The problem is that it generally has less traffic and because of that is a worse place to get answers to questions.
Dec 01 01:46:30 <zart> d03boy: alrighty, thanks
Dec 01 01:46:50 <TiberiumX> What line in your onCreate does the trace output point you to?
Dec 01 01:47:13 <TiberiumX> Sounds like you'd just want to move that to onStart or something.
Dec 01 01:47:58 <d03boy> what is the proper event to handle what would happen if someone entered some text and then wanted to "submit" that text
Dec 01 01:48:03 <d03boy> without the use o f abutton
Dec 01 01:48:43 <TiberiumX> TextChangedListener?
Dec 01 01:50:20 <d03boy> wouldnt that get called on every character they enter?
Dec 01 01:50:58 <TiberiumX> TextWatcher class with addTextChangedListener (in TextView), I mean.
Dec 01 01:51:24 <TiberiumX> Well, I guess you'd have to decide when the user was 'finished' and submit that text.
Dec 01 01:51:39 <d03boy> well thats part of my question
Dec 01 01:51:47 <d03boy> what is "standard" for the "enter" button?
Dec 01 01:51:56 <d03boy> im sure some people want to push the scroll wheel button
Dec 01 01:52:03 <d03boy> some want the Enter button
Dec 01 01:52:08 <d03boy> what do you think?
Dec 01 01:53:09 <TiberiumX> KeyListener and accept either?
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