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Dec 21 03:05:46 <chrispix> Howdy. Has anyone played around with camerapreview?
Dec 21 03:06:26 <chrispix> I am having an issue of my preview being rotated 90degrees
Dec 21 03:08:09 <jbq> chrispix: camera preview only works on the G1 if your activity is oriented as landscape.
Dec 21 03:10:20 <chrispix> How then does barcodescanner appear to have the image rotated correctlY?
Dec 21 03:11:34 <chrispix> jpq: I guess my issue is it appears it auto rotates the surface so it is always @ 90 degrees no matter how I rotate the phone. It only works correctly if I slide keyboard out.
Dec 21 03:15:41 <chrispix> I have tried.
Dec 21 03:15:42 <chrispix> 	
Dec 21 03:15:47 <chrispix> surfaceHolder.getSurface();
Dec 21 03:15:52 <chrispix> Surface.setOrientation(Display.DEFAULT_DISPLAY, Surface.ROTATION_180);
Dec 21 03:16:09 <chrispix> Camera.Parameters p = camera.getParameters();
Dec 21 03:16:17 <chrispix> p.set("rotation", 0);
Dec 21 03:16:25 <chrispix> both those.. no dice.. :/
Dec 21 05:23:52 <chrispix> This place is quiet.
Dec 21 05:26:30 <FFForever> just a little
Dec 21 05:27:12 <FFForever> can an app write to the app dir so i can fake apps?
Dec 21 08:22:10 <chrispix> Anyone alive in here?
Dec 21 08:22:43 <cereal_eater> nope
Dec 21 08:24:09 <chrispix> any experience w/ camerapreview? It appears there is a bug in it, but the way to get around it is to set the manifest to landscape for the activity. Since my camera preview is contained inside a tab. I have re-created my camera preview as an activity. If I set the whole tab activity as a landscap, my tabs go landscape, but camera preview is fixed. If i do it to my camera preview activity, the tabs are right, but the previ
Dec 21 08:29:19 <cereal_eater> i'm still trying to get my ahead around the api too.  just doing simple stuff at the moment.
Dec 21 08:29:42 <chrispix> I have been at it for about 2-3 weeks, I am trying to get an application out the door by 1/1/09
Dec 21 08:30:02 <chrispix> My issue is trying to do a mapview, and camera view inside a tablayout.
Dec 21 08:30:22 <chrispix> I have it working except my damn camera activity is still off by 90degrees no matter how you turn the camera!
Dec 21 08:30:43 <cereal_eater> even if you open the keyboard?
Dec 21 08:30:44 <chrispix> I don't know if I can be any help cereal_eater, but if you have any Qs? ask away
Dec 21 08:39:09 <chrispix> no. if I open the keyboard it gets resolved.
Dec 21 08:39:17 <chrispix> but I don't want someone to open the keyboard if they dont' have too.
Dec 21 08:39:21 <chrispix> umm to.l
Dec 21 08:40:29 <chrispix> Maybe google w/ patch the dang issue. Then all my headaches will go away.
Dec 21 08:40:52 <chrispix> I have tried messing w/ surface, with camera, and layout and manifest. no go.
Dec 21 08:41:26 <chrispix> Although there was a silver lining that I was able to move code from my main activity to another class/activity :)
Dec 21 09:12:07 <serialthrilla> how can i get the process's Application object from a Context?
Dec 21 09:12:24 <romainguy> getApplicationContext()
Dec 21 09:12:28 <romainguy> you can cast it to Application
Dec 21 09:12:59 <serialthrilla> i was thinking that but why didn't they provide a getApplication() like they do in the Activity then?
Dec 21 09:13:40 <serialthrilla> or why add getApplication() if getApplicationContext() already exists
Dec 21 09:17:28 <serialthrilla> just some questions that arise when considering the properness of casting
Dec 21 09:36:45 <romainguy> because the Context works only at the Context level
Dec 21 09:36:52 <romainguy> Application and Activity are built on top of Context
Dec 21 09:37:12 <romainguy> there is no guarantee that getApplicationContext() will return an Application instance
Dec 21 09:37:28 <romainguy> it just happens that Application is also a Context
Dec 21 10:20:33 <djc> so I managed to import Calendar in Eclipse
Dec 21 10:20:41 <djc> but now it's complaining about all sorts of missing stuff
Dec 21 10:20:51 <djc> where do I get android.providers.Calendar, for example?
Dec 21 10:21:37 <romainguy> some of the stock apps cannot be compiled against the SDK
Dec 21 10:22:24 <djc> is that intended to be fixed?
Dec 21 10:22:31 <djc> or is it somehow not possible?
Dec 21 10:22:54 <romainguy> ultimately we'd like all apps to compile against the SDK yes
Dec 21 10:23:01 <romainguy> but it's not a priority at the moment
Dec 21 10:23:18 <djc> can I help on that, or do I have to wait for Google to fix stuff?
Dec 21 10:23:28 <romainguy> you can help if you want to
Dec 21 10:23:35 <romainguy> we accept patches at source.android.com/review.android.com
Dec 21 10:24:04 <djc> okay, but for example to fix this, would I need to write a new android.providers.Calendar?
Dec 21 10:24:32 <djc> or is it just sitting somewhere else?
Dec 21 10:24:51 <djc> also, is there already a status board of l10n completion?
Dec 21 10:24:57 <djc> or would it help if I wrote such a thing?
Dec 21 10:25:11 <romainguy> it's in the source tree at source.android.com
Dec 21 10:25:15 <romainguy> it's just not part of the SDK
Dec 21 10:25:19 <romainguy> so you would have to make it public
Dec 21 10:25:31 <romainguy> but it's not public because the current API is not deemed to be ready for public use
Dec 21 10:25:36 <djc> right
Dec 21 10:25:38 <romainguy> so it's not just a matter of making the class public
Dec 21 10:25:58 <romainguy> as for l10n, everything we need is pretty much already in 1.0 and cupcake
Dec 21 10:26:04 <romainguy> I can't think of anything missing actually
Dec 21 10:26:13 <djc> romainguy: I mean the strings
Dec 21 10:26:21 <djc> e.g. if I want to help on nl-NL
Dec 21 10:26:37 <djc> I'd need to go through all the apps and find the files and compare to the English versions
Dec 21 10:26:53 <djc> it would be helpful if there were some webpage where I could grab an overview of what needs doing
Dec 21 10:27:05 <romainguy> I know we have tools and stuff for that but I don't know what is the status
Dec 21 10:27:27 <djc> is that something for which asking on a-p will help?
Dec 21 10:27:30 <romainguy> while we'd be glad to get contributions, we are currently working with specialized writers/translators
Dec 21 10:27:34 <romainguy> to ensure the quality of the translation
Dec 21 10:27:45 <djc> oh, oka
Dec 21 10:27:46 <djc> y
Dec 21 10:27:58 <romainguy> but again, contributions are welcome
Dec 21 10:28:11 <romainguy> I just don't know how we will review translations
Dec 21 10:28:45 <djc> so, if I want to hack on Calendar, I need to do the repo dance and get the whole platform?
Dec 21 10:28:53 <romainguy> yep
Dec 21 10:29:01 <djc> and if I do that, can I still use Eclipse?
Dec 21 10:29:15 <romainguy> sure, why couldn't you?
Dec 21 10:29:20 <djc> oh, not sure
Dec 21 10:29:24 * djc is not a Java developer
Dec 21 10:29:41 <djc> though Java is a pretty easy language, and I had Java courses in uni
Dec 21 10:29:51 <romainguy> Java has its subtleties :)
Dec 21 10:29:58 <romainguy> before you submit a patch, make sure you are following the coding style
Dec 21 10:30:11 <romainguy> most of the patches I've reviewed so far had tons of style issues
Dec 21 10:30:16 <djc> is there a doc on style?
Dec 21 10:30:19 <romainguy> so if you want to save time... :))
Dec 21 10:30:20 <romainguy> source.android.com
Dec 21 10:30:29 <djc> I noticed it seems to be 4-space indents :|
Dec 21 10:30:37 <romainguy> and just look at how the files you modify are written
Dec 21 10:30:42 <romainguy> yes, 4 spaces indents
Dec 21 10:30:45 <romainguy> and 8 spaces continuation indent
Dec 21 10:31:44 <djc> seems to be no mention of coding style in the Contribute page
Dec 21 10:31:50 <djc> maybe you should fix that ;)
Dec 21 10:32:07 <romainguy> keep looking...
Dec 21 10:32:07 <romainguy> http://source.android.com/submit-patches/code-style-guide
Dec 21 10:33:36 <djc> in the submit-patches doc, there is no mention of 'style', nor 'guide'
Dec 21 10:33:56 <romainguy> source.android.com is not one single page :p
Dec 21 10:36:17 <djc> sure, but that's the page where I'm most likely to look for such things
Dec 21 10:50:59 <pjv> ever thought of putting the translations on launchpad?
Dec 21 10:51:22 <pjv> launchpad has an effective system of doing translations via a community
Dec 21 10:51:48 <pjv> it would require a custom xml2po converter though
Dec 21 19:10:12 <FFForever> anyone know why adb says device not found?
Dec 21 19:43:37 <FFForever> how do i make eclipse attach as a debugger?
Dec 21 20:12:12 <FFForever> anyone around?
Dec 21 20:14:10 <eldenz> FFForever, Run->debug
Dec 21 20:14:33 <FFForever> eldenz, i did on my g1 it says waiting for debugger =(
Dec 21 20:15:38 <FFForever> finally i got it XD, i needed to add android:debuggable="true" XD
Dec 21 20:36:59 <FFForever> how do i make my screen a scroll able area?, i am using set text but i am adding 2 much text and some reason i cant scroll =(
Dec 21 20:37:18 <eldenz> FFForever, put a ScrollView around
Dec 21 20:38:52 <FFForever> is there an api doc with code examples for each part?
Dec 21 20:39:06 <FFForever> http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/widget/ScrollView.html
Dec 21 20:39:47 <eldenz> hm, there are snippets all over the place :)
Dec 21 20:39:50 <eldenz> you just have to find them^^
Dec 21 20:40:15 <eldenz> and the ApiDemos is a good resource as well
Dec 21 20:40:20 <FFForever> would be nice if there was a newb friendly api doc lol
Dec 21 20:41:34 <FFForever> so i just add this to the end with a string full of my text ScrollView(string)?
Dec 21 20:42:04 <eldenz> no
Dec 21 20:42:13 <eldenz> in your xml layout
Dec 21 20:42:20 <eldenz> wrap your current layout in a ScrollView
Dec 21 20:42:42 <FFForever> where is my xml layout lol bah sorry but i am uber newb here =(
Dec 21 20:42:47 <eldenz> reading the articles linked in the left hand side navigation is a good start, too :)
Dec 21 20:43:00 <FFForever> res/layout/main.xml?
Dec 21 20:43:07 <eldenz> especially Getting Started -> Notepad Tutorial
Dec 21 20:44:10 <FFForever> thx eldenz =)
Dec 21 20:44:23 <eldenz> yw
Dec 21 20:44:27 <FFForever> eldenz, is there anyway besides adb to pull files from the usb?
Dec 21 20:44:49 <FFForever> (maybe a way without enabling usb debugging), i am hoping to write a pocket quicken for the g1 =)
Dec 21 20:45:20 <eldenz> hm, you can mount the sdcard... otherwise i don't know. what's a pocket quicken?
Dec 21 20:45:56 <FFForever> pocken quicken is a windows mobile/pda version of the desktop version of quicken witch is a finance manager
Dec 21 20:47:36 <eldenz> like gMoney?
Dec 21 20:47:39 <eldenz> dgMoney
Dec 21 20:48:10 <eldenz> more advanced it seems
Dec 21 20:48:50 <eldenz> but maybe you should start with something smaller as your first app :p
Dec 21 20:49:14 <FFForever> eldenz, where would the fun in that be?
Dec 21 20:49:36 <eldenz> ^^
Dec 21 20:49:41 <eldenz> true
Dec 21 22:22:17 <savid> What's the best way to store user settings in an android app?   Is there a type of "registry" in android,  or do most apps use text-base config files?
Dec 21 22:30:20 <romainguy> use SharedPreferences
Dec 21 22:31:05 <savid> romainguy, thanks
Dec 21 22:33:26 <alexissoft> (or sqlite databases)
Dec 21 23:10:36 <savid> I'm using eclipse,  and when I run my app it says it has "stopped unexpectedly",  though I do not see any error or exception messages in the IDE.  any ideas?
Dec 21 23:11:06 <cereal_eater> are you running in debug mode?
Dec 21 23:11:24 <romainguy_> savid: check out the logcat window
Dec 21 23:15:02 <cereal_eater> how do i set the menu to landscape mode even w/ the keyboard closed?
Dec 21 23:15:23 <romainguy_> you don't
Dec 21 23:15:42 <romainguy_> at least not without writing code :)
Dec 21 23:15:54 <cereal_eater> that's what i mean, it's not in the Menu class api
Dec 21 23:18:24 <romainguy_> why would it be in the menu API?
Dec 21 23:18:34 <romainguy_> look for orientation
Dec 21 23:18:37 <romainguy_> you can declare it in the manifest
Dec 21 23:21:04 <cereal_eater> does that set it permanently? for the life of the app?
Dec 21 23:21:32 <cereal_eater> cuz i was thinking it would change based on how the user was holding the phone
Dec 21 23:21:39 <savid> romainguy_, the logcat window doesn't seem to tell me much.  I can tell it was an uncaught exception,  I just can't tell where to view the details of the exception (ie, message / trace)
Dec 21 23:21:56 <romainguy_> cereal_eater: you can also use the manifest to declare that you want the orientation to change based on the sensors
Dec 21 23:22:10 <romainguy_> savid: that's what the logcat window is for
Dec 21 23:22:13 <romainguy_> it shows the logs from the device
Dec 21 23:22:23 <romainguy_> and notably the exception stack trace with all the info you need
Dec 21 23:22:29 <cereal_eater> ooh, cool
Dec 21 23:22:40 <romainguy_> but
Dec 21 23:22:44 <romainguy_> it does use more battery
Dec 21 23:23:00 <romainguy_> and it's not necessarily good user experience (at least in my experience)
Dec 21 23:23:18 <romainguy_> for instance using the device on a table makes auto-rotating apps a pain
Dec 21 23:23:26 <romainguy_> you can also change the rotation form your code
Dec 21 23:23:43 <romainguy_> if you look at the source code of the Camera app (source.android.com), you can find out how
Dec 21 23:24:26 <savid> ah, ok.  I see it now.
Dec 21 23:24:27 <cereal_eater> ok, i'll check it out
Dec 21 23:27:12 <savid> hmm, ok I'm getting : UnsupportedOperationException: addView(View, LayoutParams) is not supported in AdapterView.    This happens when I do setContentView(R.layout.main)
Dec 21 23:28:49 <romainguy_> here you go
Dec 21 23:29:11 <romainguy_> you're using a GridView or Spinner?
Dec 21 23:30:31 <Dutchman> make: *** [out/target/product/dream/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libaudio_intermediates/AudioHardware.o] Error 1
Dec 21 23:30:51 <Dutchman> is that the error expected right now when building android?
Dec 21 23:31:01 <Dutchman> or have i set something up wrong?
Dec 21 23:31:34 <romainguy_> no errors are expected when building Android :)
Dec 21 23:31:42 <cereal_eater> heh
Dec 21 23:31:50 <Dutchman> oh.. thought there were problems when the cupcake stuff was rolled in
Dec 21 23:31:59 <romainguy_> there could be
Dec 21 23:32:07 <romainguy_> I haven't tried to compile the public cupcake yet
Dec 21 23:32:23 <Dutchman> i'm on amd64 too, which may not help
Dec 21 23:46:16 <Nafai> Is there a resource somewhere that shows the gotchas of the type of Java code that dalvik won't handle?
Dec 21 23:52:00 <romainguy_> dalvik handles everything :)
Dec 21 23:52:11 <romainguy_> the only thing you cannot do at the moment is generate bytecode at runtime
Dec 21 23:53:05 <Dutchman> is it possible to get the source for exactly what was delivered with the phone instead of getting the current stuff?
Dec 21 23:54:27 <romainguy_> source.android.com
Dec 21 23:54:35 <romainguy_> get the release-1.0 branch
Dec 21 23:55:43 <Dutchman> so pass "-b release-1.0" on the repo line when doing the init?
Dec 21 23:56:02 <Nafai> romainguy_: I'm getting errors when trying to compile a 3rd party library jar with dalvik
Dec 21 23:56:19 <Dutchman> i'm not sure how to see what the different branches are that are available
Dec 21 23:57:06 <Nafai> romainguy_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/72433
Dec 21 23:59:44 <romainguy_> Nafai: looks like the jar went through a tool like ProGuard which doesn't alway produce Java byte code that complies exactly with the specs
Dec 22 00:00:38 <Nafai> I don't think so...
Dec 22 00:00:42 * Nafai looks at the build.xml
Dec 22 00:00:47 <Nafai> I built that jar locally
Dec 22 00:01:20 * Nafai tries again
Dec 22 00:03:52 <Nafai> Weird.
Dec 22 00:03:59 <Nafai> This is the build file I'm using: http://code.google.com/p/clojure/source/browse/trunk/build.xml
Dec 22 00:04:28 <Nafai> Does it matter which version of Java the .class files are compiled with?
Dec 22 00:04:47 <Nafai> I'm using a 64-bit 1.6 JDK
Dec 22 00:04:51 <romainguy_> like I said
Dec 22 00:04:55 <romainguy_> you cannot do bytecode generation
Dec 22 00:05:03 <romainguy_> given what Clojure is... :)
Dec 22 00:05:47 <Nafai> romainguy_: There is an AOT compiler now :)
Dec 22 00:06:02 <romainguy_> then why do you need the jar?
Dec 22 00:06:08 <Nafai> runtime support
Dec 22 00:06:19 <Nafai> utility classes
Dec 22 01:03:29 <Dutchman> looks like release-1.0 won't sync properly when the local manifest is added for the dream arch
Dec 22 01:58:31 <bherrmann7> hi.  I'm trying to get the emulator to see a fake sdcard for testing.
Dec 22 01:59:01 <bherrmann7> I tweaked tha Android eclipse emulator setting like so,  -sdcard /opt/android-sdk/sdcard
Dec 22 01:59:15 <bherrmann7> and i used the mksdcard utility to make that file (with 100m)
Dec 22 01:59:31 <bherrmann7> but the programs running in the emulator don't see the file.
Dec 22 01:59:39 <bherrmann7> I wish we had a file browser
Dec 22 02:00:46 <bherrmann7> (or I wish I knew my way around better.)
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