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Dec 24 04:05:48 <pansapiens> anyone got a good guess why android.graphics.Rect is public final, while android.graphics.RectF is just public ?
Dec 24 04:05:58 <pansapiens> I really wanted to subclass Rect ...
Dec 24 05:33:34 <jimmbojimmy2> does anyone have any funny links
Dec 24 12:56:45 <ubuntuk> hello all
Dec 24 12:57:10 <ubuntuk>  how to debug system components? is there a kernel debugger i can attach to android emulator?
Dec 24 13:06:57 * ubuntuk ooh no body here
Dec 24 13:11:01 <danderson> it's the 24th, whaddya expect ;)
Dec 24 13:11:27 <danderson> and as for kernel debugging, 'fraid I don't know. In theory at least, it should be feasible on the dev phone.
Dec 24 13:17:22 <ubuntuk> thanks danderson i could find some articles on google groups but it is very difficult  for me
Dec 24 14:47:43 <vol> ubuntuk: there's no kernel debugger
Dec 24 14:47:49 <vol> there's arm-eabi-gdb
Dec 24 14:48:14 <vol> and gdbserver
Dec 24 14:48:35 <ubuntuk> good start , thank you
Dec 24 14:48:52 <ubuntuk> i will google it and see what u can do
Dec 24 14:48:58 <vol> http://volmari.as/temp/gdbserver
Dec 24 14:49:04 <vol> gdbserver wasn't shipped with source by accident
Dec 24 14:49:08 <vol> it will be in cupcake
Dec 24 14:49:16 <vol> but here is the copy that is supposed to be in there for now
Dec 24 14:49:56 <ubuntuk> checking ...
Dec 24 14:52:33 <michaelnovakjr> what is gdbserver?
Dec 24 14:56:34 <vol> it's the part of gdb that actually does all the debugging
Dec 24 14:56:43 <vol> you can use it as a stub, and use gdb to attach to it
Dec 24 14:56:51 <vol> it's great for embedded devices w/o enough memory for gdb proper
Dec 24 14:57:02 <vol> for example, the android emulator
Dec 24 14:57:09 <vol> in this case, use arm-eabi-gdb
Dec 24 15:08:42 <michaelnovakjr> cool
Dec 24 15:11:22 <vol> great thanks to fadden for holding my hand and getting me started with this : )
Dec 24 15:11:53 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Dec 24 15:12:21 <vol> now to dig into the forbidden internals of the mediaplayer and figure out a safe way to stop it from playing, if it already is
Dec 24 15:15:32 <ubuntuk> vol thanks you made my day
Dec 24 15:15:41 <ubuntuk> now i can debug android kernel
Dec 24 15:15:45 <vol> ubuntuk: good luck
Dec 24 15:15:52 <vol> do you have it working?
Dec 24 15:16:10 <ubuntuk> not yet but the documents says i am on the right track
Dec 24 15:16:19 <vol> ok
Dec 24 15:16:20 <ubuntuk> it needs 3-4 hours to get it working
Dec 24 15:16:37 <vol> I've never done kernel debugging before, so I don't think I can be much help
Dec 24 15:17:16 <ubuntuk> i think this part is easy after installing the GNU debugger
Dec 24 15:17:37 <vol> well then good luck
Dec 24 15:17:45 <vol> just remember that you need to run gdbserver
Dec 24 15:17:51 <vol> on the emulator/device
Dec 24 15:17:57 <vol> and then use gdb to attach to it
Dec 24 15:18:16 <vol> and you'll need to use adb to forward the port on the dev/emu
Dec 24 15:18:26 <vol> so, on emu
Dec 24 15:18:34 <vol> gdbserver :1234 --attach (some proc id)
Dec 24 15:18:41 <vol> locally
Dec 24 15:18:52 <vol> adb forward tcp:1234 tcp:1234 (one time only)
Dec 24 15:19:04 <vol> then start arm-eabi-gdb as normal
Dec 24 15:19:09 <vol> and target remote localhost:1234 to attach
Dec 24 15:19:34 <vol> play with solib path stuff as normal
Dec 24 15:20:07 <ubuntuk> i think android needs something like platform builder for windows mobile and KITL
Dec 24 15:20:25 <vol> wuss
Dec 24 15:20:27 <ubuntuk> the debugger connection done from UI
Dec 24 15:20:36 <vol> WUSS!
Dec 24 15:20:40 <vol> be glad you have a debugger
Dec 24 15:20:44 <vol> for that matter, be glad this isn't symbian
Dec 24 15:20:46 <ubuntuk> hhhhhhhhhh
Dec 24 15:20:54 <ubuntuk> yes true
Dec 24 15:21:10 <vol> all I hear from my officemate when he works on symbian is "fucking symbian" and "blyet! sukha!"
Dec 24 15:22:10 <ubuntuk> is he working on platform level or application level?
Dec 24 15:23:15 <ubuntuk> because it really differs
Dec 24 15:24:57 <vol> I'm not sure
Dec 24 15:25:05 <vol> all I know is that he ends up having crashes which he can't debug
Dec 24 15:25:11 <vol> unless he's stepping through the debugger, and by guessing
Dec 24 17:31:46 <axi0m> Hi. Do you have to have a sim card to use dev phone 1?
Dec 24 17:33:58 <michaelnovakjr> no idea
Dec 24 17:34:20 <michaelnovakjr> if you could you'd only be able to use wifi anyway :(
Dec 24 17:35:51 <axi0m> yeah
Dec 24 17:36:09 <axi0m> I plan to use it mainly for testing but I have an iPhone SIM I was gonna try to use for the initial setup
Dec 24 17:36:45 <michaelnovakjr> yea, i didn't try it without one
Dec 24 17:37:00 <unix_lappy> axi0m: ADP1 doesnt not require a SIM.
Dec 24 17:37:12 <axi0m> thanks unix
Dec 24 17:37:30 <axi0m> But can I do the first phase of setup without one?
Dec 24 17:37:45 <michaelnovakjr> unix_lappy: do you have a devphone?
Dec 24 17:40:26 <unix_lappy> axi0m: I dont think the ADP1 requires setup.  I dont even think it comes with the closed source apps like GMail.
Dec 24 17:40:54 <michaelnovakjr> it does
Dec 24 17:40:58 <michaelnovakjr> it goes with GMail
Dec 24 17:41:02 <michaelnovakjr> comes*
Dec 24 17:41:11 <michaelnovakjr> you still go through the initial google account setup
Dec 24 17:41:27 <michaelnovakjr> although the stock IM client only comes with Google Talk :)
Dec 24 18:06:40 <axi0m> oh, will I need a sim for the initial google account part?
Dec 24 18:07:24 <michaelnovakjr> couldn't tell you
Dec 24 18:40:40 <axi0m> Got the dev phone working now.
Dec 24 18:40:56 <axi0m> It did need a sim hope at&t doesn't get pissed
Dec 24 18:45:02 <morrildl> axi0m: many people use iPhone SIMs in G1s. As long as you have an unlimited data plan it should be fine
Dec 24 18:45:11 <morrildl> BlackBerry plans don't count for that though
Dec 24 18:45:19 <morrildl> BBs use a different kind of data plan usually
Dec 24 18:46:00 <andyross> If GSM operators didn't want foreign phones on their networks, they probably would have picked CDMA. :)  It's the converse they don't like: they don't want you taking your AT&T phone to someone else's turf.
Dec 24 18:47:25 <unix_lappy> andyross: why's that?
Dec 24 18:47:47 <unix_lappy> assuming you have a plan with the carrier.
Dec 24 18:48:21 <andyross> Damned if I know, honestly.  But unlocking phones is a perennial hassle, on a technology base that was supposed to make it as easy as plugging in a SIM card.
Dec 24 18:51:17 <morrildl> carriers take a loss on the subsidized phones
Dec 24 18:51:35 <morrildl> they don't want you making them eat $200, for example, and then taking your cheap phone to a competitor
Dec 24 18:51:39 <michaelnovakjr> hence why you sign a contract :)
Dec 24 18:51:44 <morrildl> that's where the early-termination fees come from
Dec 24 18:52:07 <morrildl> cancel early, and you have to pay them back their $175 or whatever ETF to cover their (presumed) loss on the handset
Dec 24 18:52:15 <morrildl> of course that's the theory
Dec 24 18:52:40 <morrildl> in practice they obviously prefer to still charge ETFs in their contracts even if the specific phone you buy isn't a smartphone and didn't actually make them lose $200
Dec 24 18:53:03 <morrildl> Personally I am pretty happy with the new trend toward pro-rating ETFs. That seems pretty fair to me
Dec 24 19:08:51 <louzer> Hi all, I implemented a custom ViewGroup but I can't see its child Views. Does anyone here know why?
Dec 24 19:09:30 <romainguy_> Show the code :)
Dec 24 19:09:51 <louzer> hold on :)
Dec 24 19:10:56 <louzer> http://pastebin.com/d21feb1fb
Dec 24 19:11:06 <louzer> Thanks for helping me
Dec 24 19:11:35 <romainguy_> you didn't implement onMeasure
Dec 24 19:11:44 <romainguy_> all the children have a width and height of 0
Dec 24 19:11:51 <romainguy_> (you can use hierarchiviewer to debug that kind of stuff)
Dec 24 19:11:57 <louzer> oh. what should onMeasure do?
Dec 24 19:12:16 <louzer> hierarchiviewer.. hmm
Dec 24 19:12:20 <louzer> never heard of it
Dec 24 19:12:22 <romainguy_> find out the size of the viewgroup and its children
Dec 24 19:12:25 <romainguy_> it's in the SDK
Dec 24 19:12:27 <romainguy_> in tools/
Dec 24 19:12:32 <romainguy_> (works with the emulator)
Dec 24 19:12:42 <romainguy_> for onMeasure, go look at the source code of FrameLayout for instance
Dec 24 19:13:10 <louzer> hmm.. ok i will check all that out
Dec 24 19:13:17 <louzer> thanks for the cues
Dec 24 19:13:23 <romainguy_> np
Dec 24 19:14:27 <louzer> my version of drawChild is sufficient? do I need to translate the canvas before calling a draw on a child?
Dec 24 19:14:39 <louzer> s/version/implementation/
Dec 24 19:14:46 <romainguy_> you should NOT override drawChild()
Dec 24 19:14:49 <romainguy_> especially the way you did it
Dec 24 19:14:53 <romainguy_> you are drawing each child twice
Dec 24 19:15:16 <louzer> oh.. i thought it was protected so it need implementation
Dec 24 19:15:30 <romainguy_> a protected method doesn't mean it has to be implemented
Dec 24 19:15:37 <romainguy_> (that's what abstract is for)
Dec 24 19:16:06 <louzer> yes. but I am trying to implement a ViewGroup that allows dragging of its Views
Dec 24 19:16:23 <louzer> so I need to be able to redraw the Views when a drag occurs
Dec 24 19:16:31 <romainguy_> so?
Dec 24 19:16:38 <romainguy_> that's what invalidate() is for
Dec 24 19:16:44 <louzer> and the only way I see to do it is override drawChild
Dec 24 19:16:48 <romainguy_> (you can look at the source code of Home to see how we did it btw)
Dec 24 19:16:52 <lcd15000> has anyone bricked a dev phone yet?
Dec 24 19:16:56 <romainguy_> don't override drawChild()
Dec 24 19:17:06 <louzer> ok. source code of Home?
Dec 24 19:17:16 <romainguy_> the source code of the Home screen
Dec 24 19:17:47 <louzer> oh which package or git repo is that in?
Dec 24 19:17:53 <romainguy_> package/apps/Launcher
Dec 24 19:17:57 <louzer> thanks!
Dec 24 19:30:32 <axi0m> yeah, and it can connect to edge, and make calls fine
Dec 24 19:30:54 <axi0m> I just finished setting up the wifi, & installed Bonsai blast on it. Fun game :D
Dec 24 19:32:32 <axi0m> Is anyone working on bringing a vnc client to Android? My friend has a windows mobile htc phone & he can vnc on his. Might be a cool project...
Dec 24 20:32:13 <serialthrilla> anyone know how to register a receiver in a persistent manner?
Dec 24 20:32:18 <serialthrilla> without doing so in the manifest
Dec 24 21:33:21 <unix_infidel> hmm, i'm guessing not so much.
Dec 24 21:33:28 <unix_infidel> whoops.
Dec 24 22:18:12 <serialthrilla> anyone know how to register a receiver in a persistent manner? without doing so in the manifest
Dec 24 22:59:49 <ph|ber> hey guys.. i have the engineering bootloader installed.. when i goto it.. it flashes No Image File!  then when i plug in usb, i get Serial0, i hit back and nothing.. it never goes to fastboot.
Dec 24 22:59:53 <ph|ber> any ideas?
Dec 24 23:00:53 <ph|ber> anyone?
Dec 24 23:01:24 <grey-> ph|ber: you see the skateboarding androids?
Dec 24 23:01:38 <ph|ber> yea
Dec 24 23:01:43 <ph|ber> it says serial0
Dec 24 23:01:49 <ph|ber> oct 20 2008
Dec 24 23:02:12 <ph|ber> i hit back, and it doesnt goto fastboot
Dec 24 23:02:18 <ph|ber> er say fastboot
Dec 24 23:02:23 <grey-> hmmm
Dec 24 23:02:30 <grey-> weird.
Dec 24 23:02:34 <ph|ber> yeah..
Dec 24 23:02:51 <ph|ber> when it boots to fastboot, it flashes No image File! for like a second
Dec 24 23:02:54 <ph|ber> on a grey screen
Dec 24 23:03:03 <grey-> yeah that's normal.
Dec 24 23:03:07 <ph|ber> ok
Dec 24 23:03:22 <grey-> hmm
Dec 24 23:03:28 <grey-> [retesting]
Dec 24 23:03:30 <grey-> works for me...
Dec 24 23:03:35 <grey-> you're on a mac?
Dec 24 23:03:38 <ph|ber> im on osx 10.5.6
Dec 24 23:03:39 <grey-> or have usb drivers installed?
Dec 24 23:03:40 <ph|ber> yeah
Dec 24 23:03:43 <grey-> huh.
Dec 24 23:03:52 <ph|ber> also.. i noticed.
Dec 24 23:03:56 <grey-> unplug/replug usb?
Dec 24 23:04:01 <ph|ber> when the phone is on..
Dec 24 23:04:01 <grey-> hit back again?
Dec 24 23:04:06 <ph|ber> and plug in usb.
Dec 24 23:04:16 <ph|ber> i get no option to mount the phone.. nor does the adb work
Dec 24 23:04:23 <grey-> ohh
Dec 24 23:04:28 <grey-> maybe you have a bum usb port!
Dec 24 23:04:32 <grey-> which would suck.
Dec 24 23:04:35 <grey-> can you charge it?
Dec 24 23:04:40 <ph|ber> get this on syslog
Dec 24 23:04:43 <ph|ber> yeah its charging
Dec 24 23:04:43 <ph|ber> The IOUSBFamily was not able to enumerate a device.
Dec 24 23:04:50 <ph|ber> he IOUSBFamily is having trouble enumerating a USB device that has been plugged in.  It will keep retrying.  (Port 2 of hub @ location: 0x1a000000)
Dec 24 23:04:51 <grey-> hmmm.
Dec 24 23:05:13 <ph|ber> i did a wipe this morning.. thinking something was hung or something.
Dec 24 23:05:14 <ph|ber> no good
Dec 24 23:05:17 <grey-> tried a different usb port?
Dec 24 23:05:20 <ph|ber> yeah
Dec 24 23:05:28 <ph|ber> im on a mbp
Dec 24 23:05:29 <grey-> and other usb devices work ok on your mac?
Dec 24 23:05:33 <ph|ber> yeah.
Dec 24 23:05:37 <ph|ber> i have a card reader
Dec 24 23:05:41 <ph|ber> that works for the sdcard
Dec 24 23:05:52 <grey-> hmmm.
Dec 24 23:06:11 <grey-> that is disconcerting...
Dec 24 23:06:16 <ph|ber> i got hboot-0.95.3000
Dec 24 23:06:20 <ph|ber> radio 1.22.12.29
Dec 24 23:06:24 <ph|ber> cpld-4
Dec 24 23:06:34 <ph|ber> drea100 pvt 32b
Dec 24 23:06:37 <ph|ber> yeah..
Dec 24 23:06:43 <grey-> that all sounds normal.
Dec 24 23:06:50 <grey-> it sounds like some osx issue.
Dec 24 23:06:53 <grey-> have you rebooted your mac?
Dec 24 23:07:00 <ph|ber> i was thinking that..
Dec 24 23:07:07 <grey-> there are occasions where I've run into similar things resolved by an osx reboot. ;-/
Dec 24 23:07:14 <ph|ber> how can i re-install the usb drivers
Dec 24 23:07:18 <grey-> but I've also run into dead ports on macs.
Dec 24 23:07:18 <ph|ber> i just rebooted.
Dec 24 23:07:22 <grey-> [but usually just firewire]
Dec 24 23:07:32 <grey-> hmmm hehe I'm not sure about reinstalling osx usb drivers.
Dec 24 23:07:37 <grey-> it's pretty fundamental. ;)
Dec 24 23:07:51 <ph|ber> are you on 10.5.6?
Dec 24 23:07:56 <grey-> I am.
Dec 24 23:08:25 <ph|ber> hrm
Dec 24 23:08:26 <grey-> googling reveals..
Dec 24 23:08:27 <grey-> "I ran into the same problem and solved it by quitting the MicrosoftMouseHelper process. This process was used by an old Microsoft Optical Trackball mouse I used to use, but it broke.
Dec 24 23:08:31 <grey-> To see if this process is running on your machine, start Activity Monitor (/Applications/Utilities), select "Active Processes" from the drop-down list at the top of the window, and look for it.
Dec 24 23:08:35 <grey-> To quit it, select it and press the Quit Process button."
Dec 24 23:08:38 <grey-> dunno if that applies to you though.
Dec 24 23:09:30 <ph|ber> i have no Microsoft shit running
Dec 24 23:09:31 <ph|ber> :>
Dec 24 23:09:34 <grey-> heh
Dec 24 23:10:49 <grey-> seems to be a common problem w/ osx.
Dec 24 23:10:57 <grey-> with various attempts at fixex. ;-/
Dec 24 23:10:57 <ph|ber> hrm.. damnit
Dec 24 23:11:07 <grey-> not sure which applies to you.
Dec 24 23:11:17 <ph|ber> http://www.computeraudiophile.com/OS-X-10.5.6-24-88.2-USB-Problem-Resolved
Dec 24 23:11:21 <grey-> some people seem to think this helps: Try to delete AppleFPMemDriver.kext
Dec 24 23:11:49 <ph|ber> hrm..
Dec 24 23:11:49 <grey-> but I dunno if that's adviseable.
Dec 24 23:12:06 <grey-> a lot of people suggesting such things appear to be on OSx86 sites.
Dec 24 23:12:23 <ph|ber> hrm.
Dec 24 23:12:39 <ph|ber> wonder if i need that?
Dec 24 23:12:47 <grey-> I'd imagine normally yes.
Dec 24 23:13:02 <grey-> a lot of these people mention ps/2 keyboards.
Dec 24 23:13:09 <grey-> I wouldn't want you deleting that and then having no keyboard. ;)
Dec 24 23:14:38 <ph|ber> looks like there are alot of problems with 10.5.6 and DFU mode on iphones
Dec 24 23:14:47 <ph|ber> gotta jet.. be back in an hour or so
Dec 25 01:41:28 <ph|ber> back
Dec 25 01:56:01 <ph|ber> grey-: you still here?
Dec 25 01:57:22 <grey-> haha, amazingly yes; got a late lunch and am back at the office for some reason.
Dec 25 01:57:44 <ph|ber> well.. i just went and tried to plug my g1 in my inlaws computer.
Dec 25 01:57:51 <ph|ber> and it didnt ask for usb storage either.
Dec 25 01:57:54 <grey-> still no joy?
Dec 25 01:57:54 <grey-> wow.
Dec 25 01:57:57 <grey-> that sucks. ;-/
Dec 25 01:58:04 <ph|ber> heh.. yeah
Dec 25 01:58:27 <ph|ber> what firmware version are you on?
Dec 25 01:58:30 <ph|ber> mine is 1.0
Dec 25 01:58:49 <ph|ber> and my build is 1.0 TC4-RC30 116143
Dec 25 01:59:38 <ph|ber> wonder if its my usb cable..
Dec 25 01:59:41 <ph|ber> is there a difference?
Dec 25 01:59:43 <ph|ber> in cables.
Dec 25 02:01:27 <ph|ber> i think i may go back down to rc29.
Dec 25 02:14:35 <ph|ber> it was my CABLE!!
Dec 25 02:15:37 <grey-> oh geeze!
Dec 25 02:15:42 <grey-> always something simple!
Dec 25 02:16:15 <ph|ber> and!!
Dec 25 02:16:20 <ph|ber> i freaking did a wipe!!!
Dec 25 02:16:25 <ph|ber> and i have 0 signal where i am
Dec 25 02:16:33 <ph|ber> i have to go like 7 miles down the road to get signal
Dec 25 02:16:56 <ph|ber> so im trying to activate it without a sim and signal
Dec 25 02:17:21 <grey-> ahhh.
Dec 25 02:17:31 <grey-> heh, good luck. :)
Dec 25 02:20:14 <ph|ber> haha.. got it!
Dec 25 02:20:15 <ph|ber> whoaho!
Dec 25 02:20:17 <ph|ber> that was easy
Dec 25 02:54:27 <ph|ber> hrm..
Dec 25 02:54:38 <ph|ber> ok so how do i recover from a cupcake install.
Dec 25 02:54:51 <ph|ber> i used an update.zip but its stuck at the android boot screen
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