**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 23 02:59:58 2009
Feb 23 03:43:00 <pilkarn> why is android-programmign so hard? its herarchies of classes and nothing is simple.
Feb 23 03:57:11 <rsteckler> pilkarn: android programming is considered to be pretty simple.  The docs aren't perfect, but it's WAY easier than iphone.
Feb 23 04:19:30 <gambler> whats with all the deleted messages in android-developers
Feb 23 04:27:42 <Pan3D> "its herarchies of classes and nothing is simple"
Feb 23 04:27:45 <Pan3D> ?
Feb 23 04:28:14 <Pan3D> Hierarchies of classes ARE simple
Feb 23 04:28:55 <pilkarn> i dont think so, im a math dude not an obfuscator
Feb 23 04:29:01 <Pan3D> rsteckler: way easier? maybe to someone who hasn't before.
Feb 23 04:29:24 <Pan3D> pilkarn: do you know set theory?
Feb 23 04:30:04 <Pan3D> those principals can be mapped to object inheritance
Feb 23 04:30:51 <rsteckler> Pan3D: I don't have a statistically significant sample, but the only dev I know that thought iPhone was easier was a 40-hour/week Cocoa dev.  The boilerplate necessary, and the hoops jumping through in IB seemed arduous to everyone else.
Feb 23 04:31:15 * rsteckler shrugs
Feb 23 04:31:18 <Pan3D> heh
Feb 23 04:31:28 * Pan3D shrugs too
Feb 23 04:33:39 <pilkarn> pan3D: i know about set theory, not an expert or anything(still in high school). i knwo the axiom of choice, the axiomatic method etc. russells paradox and other blah
Feb 23 04:33:50 <pilkarn> but i dont think it is the same
Feb 23 04:34:06 <pilkarn> object-orientation is popular bcause it resembles fuzzy everyday kind of thinking
Feb 23 04:36:37 <Pan3D> WTF are you talking about? :)
Feb 23 04:36:59 <Pan3D> Object-oriented is popular because it's a common way of thinking
Feb 23 04:37:10 <Pan3D> Parents -> children who have the same characteristics
Feb 23 04:37:19 <Pan3D> or a myriad of other examples in the real world
Feb 23 04:38:07 <Pan3D> It's pretty easy to understand "If I have X, then create something from X, it will contain the characteristics of X"
Feb 23 04:38:35 <pilkarn> sure but does a window has a method of opening itself or is open something that is doen to the window by something else?
Feb 23 04:38:47 <squalus> and it's easier to extend or use other people's stuff
Feb 23 04:38:56 <pilkarn> compared to what?
Feb 23 04:39:09 <Pan3D> squalus: yep
Feb 23 04:39:11 <squalus> procedural
Feb 23 04:39:17 <Pan3D> pilkarn: compared to proecuderal code
Feb 23 04:39:20 <pilkarn> id say functionalprogramming is a lot easier to extend and modify and is orders of more modular than OO
Feb 23 04:39:22 <Pan3D> procedural*
Feb 23 04:39:30 <rsteckler> pilkarn: A window knows how to open, but other things actually tell it to open.
Feb 23 04:40:23 <rsteckler> pilkarn: The analogy is a little weak, but the proposed advantage here is that a sliding window, shutter window and solid window can all be Open()ed wihtout the caller knowing the details of how it happens
Feb 23 04:40:36 <rsteckler> ("encapsulation")
Feb 23 04:41:08 <Pan3D> In iphone/Cocoa and many other environments, it's called MVC
Feb 23 04:41:12 <Pan3D> Model View Controller
Feb 23 04:41:27 <Pan3D> the View can display itself, but also the controller can invoke it to display
Feb 23 04:41:28 <rsteckler> but, to be perfectly honest, if you want to argue the merits of procedural programming over OOP, you're a couple decades too late  =)
Feb 23 04:41:46 <Pan3D> hehe
Feb 23 04:42:24 <Pan3D> although, Bjorne might disagree
Feb 23 04:42:27 <Pan3D> :)
Feb 23 04:42:52 <Pan3D> Bjarne*
Feb 23 05:07:46 <pilkarn> rsteckler: well if you had been listening i wasnt, i said functional.
Feb 23 05:08:38 <pilkarn> lisp, haskell,fsharp, ocaml etc
Feb 23 05:10:04 <rsteckler> pilkarn: yep.  I transposed what you said, and Pan3D.  Functional programming certainly has a place in modern CS.  As does OO.  And SOA.  And Garbage Collection.  And To-The-Metal.  And ...
Feb 23 05:10:14 <rsteckler> "When all you have is a hammer..."
Feb 23 05:13:37 <pilkarn> i had hopes for Scala until i tried it. better than Java and C++ but stills feels so typey and hevay.
Feb 23 05:13:45 <pilkarn> but maybe if i give it a another chance
Feb 23 09:29:44 <estivenrpo> Hey!!!!
Feb 23 09:30:42 <estivenrpo> We just publisedh our first application, in case you want to take a look at it... It's called TIE your money, and it's personal financial manager.  Please help us improve our application!!
Feb 23 09:30:47 <estivenrpo> Best regards,
Feb 23 09:32:39 <WiiR0cKz> ty buying it atm =D
Feb 23 10:32:48 <Drainman> anyone knows where i can find a accelerometer tutorial, the ones i find on google doesnt work. I just want to be able to print out the the degrees
Feb 23 10:39:50 <ido-> there's a landers game from google which uses the accelerometer
Feb 23 10:39:53 <ido-> google it
Feb 23 10:45:32 <Drainman> ido-: thanks
Feb 23 11:03:22 <millenomi> sensorsimulator FTW
Feb 23 12:46:14 <marklar> Is anyone else having the developers console and google checkout report different numbers?
Feb 23 13:21:25 <millenomi> question!
Feb 23 13:21:31 <millenomi> R.java under version control: no, right?
Feb 23 13:35:42 <eldenz> right
Feb 23 13:40:09 <millenomi> git rm incoming, then.
Feb 23 13:40:20 <millenomi> stupid late night uploading is stupid.
Feb 23 13:49:05 <millenomi> mmm, what's the best way to "inject" a subclass?
Feb 23 13:49:22 <millenomi> context: I'm using simulated sensors from openintents; I have an Accelerometer class
Feb 23 13:49:31 <millenomi> that I'd like to replace with a SimulatedAccelerometer class
Feb 23 13:49:35 <millenomi> but not ship with it.
Feb 23 13:49:40 <millenomi> debug only.
Feb 23 13:49:57 <millenomi> currently, I'm using a factory method
Feb 23 13:50:13 <millenomi> but this doesn't solve the problem that SimulatedAccelerometer creates a dependency.
Feb 23 13:50:26 <millenomi> a debug-only dependency.
Feb 23 16:48:22 <mpardo> i have a question about broadcast receivers
Feb 23 16:48:34 <mpardo> i have a service running that does work every x minutes
Feb 23 16:48:40 <mpardo> it updates a db
Feb 23 16:48:56 <mpardo> then i have an activity which creates a list based on the db
Feb 23 16:49:19 <mpardo> i need to open and close a dialog based on whether the service is running the task or not
Feb 23 16:49:23 <vol> that's not a question.
Feb 23 16:49:37 <mpardo> i was thinking a broadcast receiver, but is that the right approach?
Feb 23 16:49:58 <zhobbs> async listener in the service
Feb 23 16:50:06 <zhobbs> I would think is the best approach
Feb 23 16:50:43 <mpardo> hmm im not sure how that is done, but i was thinking it goes in the service connection object
Feb 23 16:51:09 <zhobbs> there is an api demo for
Feb 23 16:51:10 <zhobbs> it
Feb 23 16:51:34 <mpardo> k let me check
Feb 23 16:53:07 <mpardo> zhobbs: Do you happen to know which example?
Feb 23 16:54:41 <zhobbs> app -> service -> remote binding
Feb 23 16:55:03 <mpardo> thanks
Feb 23 17:27:52 <herriojr> what's the default height of a textbox in pixels?
Feb 23 17:29:02 <estivenrpo> Hi guys
Feb 23 17:29:26 <herriojr> nvm
Feb 23 17:29:28 <herriojr> hi
Feb 23 17:29:36 <marklar> herriojr: does it even have one? I'd assume 0, or some sort of relative value
Feb 23 17:29:39 <marklar> doh
Feb 23 17:30:22 <herriojr> yeah, it has a default height, from what I read is 20
Feb 23 17:30:28 <marklar> ah ok
Feb 23 17:30:33 <marklar> and thats pixels?
Feb 23 17:30:37 <marklar> not some sort of relative unit?
Feb 23 17:30:39 <herriojr> from what I read, yes
Feb 23 17:30:43 <marklar> k, thanks
Feb 23 17:30:45 <herriojr> I honestly don't know
Feb 23 17:31:04 <herriojr> I just need an image to match the height of it
Feb 23 17:31:10 <herriojr> so relative won't help me out much :)
Feb 23 17:31:34 <marklar> ah... couldn't you put it in some sort of container like relative/linear layout and match the size of the textbox to the image?
Feb 23 17:34:46 <zhobbs> that would be the best way...TextView's default size could be different device by device
Feb 23 17:34:49 <herriojr> yeah, I could, but why do that when xml will be on a per-phone basis anyways?
Feb 23 17:35:37 <marklar> yeah, both ways will work, I was just throwing it out there because I think its more flexible
Feb 23 17:37:49 <herriojr> ok :)
Feb 23 17:39:57 <herriojr> android:listSelector is supposed to be for the single list item, right?
Feb 23 17:40:43 <herriojr> it's highlighting the whole list
Feb 23 17:48:17 <herriojr> <ListView android:listSelector="#ff066ff" doesn't seem to work...
Feb 23 17:56:52 <zhobbs> you are supposed to pass in a statedrawable
Feb 23 17:57:11 <zhobbs> or selector drawable I guess
Feb 23 17:57:23 <chidambar> hello!
Feb 23 17:57:52 <zhobbs> herriojr: do you have the android source from git?
Feb 23 17:58:13 <zhobbs> if so, find the file "list_selector_background.xml"
Feb 23 17:58:24 <chidambar> i have some question: can an Activity retrieve its own ActivityInfo?
Feb 23 17:58:39 <herriojr> zhobbs: yes
Feb 23 17:58:51 <zhobbs> find that file...that's the default list selector
Feb 23 17:59:25 <herriojr> documentation says I can specify a color via "#aarrggbb" etc.
Feb 23 18:01:36 <chidambar> because i've been digging into that issue for hours, but didn't find any (good) mean to do that
Feb 23 18:02:10 <herriojr> so, is anyone going to object to me submitting a documentation error then?
Feb 23 18:02:26 <herriojr> chidambar: as far as I know, yes
Feb 23 18:03:05 <chidambar> herriojr: do you have an idea how to do that?
Feb 23 18:03:42 <marklar> herriojr: I took a quick look at the docs and didn't see it say that you can use a color for it... where does it say that?
Feb 23 18:03:44 <herriojr> what information are you trying to retrieve?
Feb 23 18:04:05 <herriojr> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AbsListView.html#attr_android:listSelector
Feb 23 18:04:27 <marklar> well would you look at that :)
Feb 23 18:04:55 <chidambar> herriojr: i added some <meta-data> to <activity-alias> and want to retrieve its value
Feb 23 18:05:14 <herriojr> ok, just a sec
Feb 23 18:05:37 <chidambar> thank you :)
Feb 23 18:10:17 <herriojr> chidambar: AFAIK getPackageManager().getActivityInfo(ComponentName className, int flags)
Feb 23 18:11:14 <herriojr> chidambar: does that work for you?
Feb 23 18:13:36 <chidambar> fact is that it's not a real activity, but an alias
Feb 23 18:15:53 <marklar> How is the 'growing' list for market, email etc implemented?
Feb 23 18:18:06 <herriojr> marklar: probably a custom adapter
Feb 23 18:18:41 <marklar> herriojr: damn, was hoping it was simpler than that :)
Feb 23 18:25:34 <zinx> "Detects if any of the registered channels are ready for I/O operations according to their interesting operation. This operation will not return until some of the channels are ready or wakeup is invoked." <- blatant lie :(
Feb 23 18:25:46 <zinx> it will return immediately if there are no channels :~(
Feb 23 18:25:59 <zinx> that is so terribly annoying.
Feb 23 18:26:22 <zinx> Java designers clearly have no sense :D
Feb 23 18:35:28 <Pupeno> It seems to be impossible to implement onClick and context menu correctly in a view that draws itself (custom) and that would react different depending on where in the view the press happens. Which means no game can make a good implementation of a context menu, is that so?
Feb 23 18:36:06 <romainguy_> Pupeno: it should be possible
Feb 23 18:36:31 <Pupeno> romainguy_: well, yes, it should.
Feb 23 18:37:46 <Pupeno> romainguy_: but onClick and onCreateContextMenu don't get the x y coordinates.
Feb 23 18:44:26 <herriojr> Pupeno: I think you may be trying to use onClick, etc. for something it wasn't designed for
Feb 23 18:44:45 <herriojr> maybe you need to use OnTouch?
Feb 23 18:46:03 <Pupeno> herriojr: onTouch is a lower level than onClick. Should I meassure the time for long click myself?
Feb 23 18:57:33 <romainguy_> Pupeno: look at ViewConfiguration for the long click timings
Feb 23 18:57:51 <herriojr> Pupeno: depends on whether you need to know the location inside your view on a long click
Feb 23 18:58:45 <romainguy_> you can also just listen for onTouch and remember the x,y position of the DOWN event
Feb 23 18:58:58 <romainguy_> then in the onCreateContextMenu/onClick/whatever just use these coordinates
Feb 23 19:26:38 <zhobbs> jasta: how do you see the priority for all the running processes?  I remember you were doing some analysis of service proirity/death
Feb 23 19:29:23 <estivenrpo> Hello
Feb 23 19:29:32 <estivenrpo> We just publisedh our first application, in case you want to take a look at it... It's called TIE your money, and it's personal financial manager.  Please help us improve our application!!
Feb 23 19:29:43 <estivenrpo> Best regards,
Feb 23 19:32:43 <vol> if you're going to copy and paste a letter in
Feb 23 19:32:48 <vol> at least please run spellcheck
Feb 23 19:33:35 <zhobbs> if you're going to copy and past a letter in....just don't!
Feb 23 19:33:43 <KNY> it's a shame it's a free app because i was going to make some witty comment about spending money on a(nother) finance tracker
Feb 23 19:34:24 <marklar> I'm trying to think of a way to uniquely identify users of my app to a webservice, but all the things I can think of are personal data that I don't want to use like phone number, google account etc. Does anyone have an ideas?
Feb 23 19:34:26 <mickeyc> How does the "network" LocationProvider work? I mean, how does it get the physical location, given the cell tower id's? I assumed that it must query some internet based service to map lac/cid to lat/long, but when getting a list of providers that match a criteria of no cost, "network" is still returned ...
Feb 23 19:34:48 <KNY> marklar, there's ANDROID_ID but that's per-device (it won't follow them if they get a new phone)
Feb 23 19:35:07 <KNY> mickeyc, it's similar to AGPS, if I understand it correctly
Feb 23 19:35:09 <marklar> KNY: thats perfect, thanks I'll google it
Feb 23 19:35:23 <mickeyc> KNY: I'm kind of unsure how agps works as well
Feb 23 19:35:33 <KNY> marklar, no problem. Keep in mind it will be null on the emulator, but not on a real device
Feb 23 19:35:51 <marklar> ah didn't even think about that, thanks
Feb 23 19:36:13 <KNY> marklar, it's mentioned in the docs
Feb 23 19:36:55 <vol> mickeyc: pretty sure that the cell tower will tell the phone if it requests it
Feb 23 19:37:06 <mickeyc> KNY: Found a good doc online which describes agps. Makes more sense now
Feb 23 19:37:19 <vol> mickeyc: bear in mind that the G1 doesn't actually do AGPS.
Feb 23 19:37:22 <KNY> vol, heh, check out the very very bottom of TIE's EULA: http://evancharlton.com/tie.png
Feb 23 19:37:27 <KNY> mickeyc, no problem.
Feb 23 19:37:35 <mickeyc> vol: I didn't know that
Feb 23 19:37:40 <vol> please tell me it says "do the needful"
Feb 23 19:37:54 <vol> ah, yes!
Feb 23 19:38:02 <vol> we won't spam you (yes we will)
Feb 23 19:38:07 <mickeyc> marklar: Couldn't you use an md5 digest of the phone number?
Feb 23 19:38:32 <marklar> mickeyc: yeah I could :)
Feb 23 19:38:55 <marklar> it would almost be better to have a per phone identifier rather than per phone number though
Feb 23 19:39:02 <marklar> so I think this ANDROID_ID will be good
Feb 23 19:39:38 <mickeyc> There's always the imei as well
Feb 23 19:40:24 <marklar> mickeyc: Do you know off hand how to get that?
Feb 23 19:40:44 <mickeyc> Nope. I only got my G1 on Saturday so I'm still a newbie ;)
Feb 23 19:40:55 <marklar> mickeyc: k, well thanks for the suggestions :)
Feb 23 19:41:44 <vol> look at the settings app in the android source
Feb 23 19:41:54 <mickeyc> I am extremely impressed how easy it is to develop for Android. I didn't expect it would be this good.
Feb 23 19:41:57 <marklar> vol: k, will do
Feb 23 19:42:04 <vol> mickeyc: i no rite
Feb 23 19:42:21 <marklar> mickeyc: I never touched java before starting android two months ago... I never expected it to be this easy
Feb 23 19:43:40 <mickeyc> I learnt Java at University, but haven't touched it in the past 3 years.
Feb 23 19:43:50 <mickeyc> So I'm haven't to re-learn some of it
Feb 23 19:44:13 <marklar> mickeyc: well the nice part I found was that the android part was simple and logical so I could focus on the Java
Feb 23 19:44:54 <herriojr> so, if I have two threads from the same process accessing the same content provider, I get a Misuse exception while running a query...Is there something special I need to do in this case?
Feb 23 19:48:41 <mickeyc> Also, my other question, android.telephony.PhoneStateListener's onSignalStateChanged method takes an int as input, named "asu" in the documentan. What does "asu" stand for?
Feb 23 19:48:54 <mickeyc> All I've been able to find on google is other people asking the same question without getting answers
Feb 23 19:49:02 <jbq> arbitrary signal unit (no, I'm not making this up)
Feb 23 19:49:15 <mickeyc> Thank you
Feb 23 19:49:24 <mickeyc> Odd
Feb 23 19:54:09 <herriojr> RomainGuy: for the issue you just declined of mine, can we get the following link added in the description of android:listSelector:  http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/res/ColorStateList.html
Feb 23 19:54:22 <herriojr> or something that makes reference to it
Feb 23 19:55:06 <herriojr> Issue 2076
Feb 23 19:57:03 <romainguy_> no
Feb 23 19:57:16 <romainguy_> android:listSelector accepts any reference to a drawable
Feb 23 19:57:29 <romainguy_> we can't link all existing drawables in every place where drawables can be used
Feb 23 20:06:41 <herriojr> romainguy: why does setting a drawable act differently than setting a color?
Feb 23 20:09:03 <anno^da_> romainguy_: have you got a git installer flying around on your mac? I've tried to get the installer from the google code page but the download breaks up every 2-4 minutes. :/
Feb 23 20:33:38 <herriojr> does SQLiteDatabase.beginTransaction() have to be used each time I do an action on the database (insert,query,etc.)?
Feb 23 20:33:59 <herriojr> for a content provider?
Feb 23 20:36:07 <KNY> herriojr, the Notepad example doesn't use it
Feb 23 20:36:16 <KNY> I also don't, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea :)
Feb 23 20:36:39 <herriojr> KNY: I actually just figured out what it is for
Feb 23 20:36:57 <KNY> you mean, other than transactions?
Feb 23 20:37:34 <herriojr> so, inside of my content provider, I recursively call query via the ContentProvider interface on one of its tables, and it is crapping out saying there is a misuse exception
Feb 23 20:37:54 <herriojr> I guess I'll try and directly call it
Feb 23 20:38:22 <herriojr> or that's not the problem
Feb 23 20:39:03 <herriojr> so, when I have two threads in the same process using my ContentProvider, it dies
Feb 23 20:39:14 <herriojr> so I'm trying to figure out what the issue is
Feb 23 20:40:12 <herriojr> even though I don't see myself doing anything not thread safe
Feb 23 20:40:17 <herriojr> I don't have any static variables, etc.
Feb 23 20:41:14 <herriojr> android.database.sqlite.SQLiteMisuseException: library routine called out of sequence:
Feb 23 20:42:43 <zhobbs> anyone know if there's a way to get a service to run at a higher priority?  for example, I think I heard the Music app's playback service runs at a higher priority?
Feb 23 20:42:56 <anno^da_> Does someone have a tutorial for git? I know how to initally open a master branch and create my working branch etc. But I don't understand the workflow for versioning different releases. From my understaning when I merge my working branch back to the master branch I will have one working version again. But how can I differentiate different releases. (maybe a stupid question but after reading a lot of tutorials I havent understood it :) )
Feb 23 20:43:51 <KNY> anno^da_, /join #git
Feb 23 20:43:52 <KNY> :)
Feb 23 20:44:03 <anno^da_> :D
Feb 23 20:45:08 <anno^da_> doen ;)
Feb 23 20:45:12 <anno^da_> done
Feb 23 20:52:18 <herriojr> zhobbs: did you try android:priority="100"....I don't know if that will work or not
Feb 23 20:52:37 <zhobbs> hmm, in the manifest?
Feb 23 20:55:01 <zhobbs> looks like priority is for order broadcast intents
Feb 23 20:58:48 <KNY> if I schedule an alarm with AlarmManager.RTC (not RTC_WAKEUP) will the alarm still go off, just not turn on the screen?
Feb 23 20:59:00 <KNY> (if the device is in standby at the time of the alarm)
Feb 23 21:06:41 <DJTachyon> is there a way to force the LCD backlight off programmatically?
Feb 23 21:12:14 <zhobbs> DJTachyon: check in PowerManager
Feb 23 21:35:27 <herriojr> zhobbs: that's the only priority I know about
Feb 23 21:41:10 <DJTachyon> hmm
Feb 23 21:41:26 <DJTachyon> im trying to make the screen go fully black, that is the only way i know how
Feb 23 21:41:35 <vol> /home/android/android_source/mydroid/frameworks/base/include/ui/Region.h:159: error: expected class-name before '{' token
Feb 23 21:41:38 <DJTachyon> but it seems notifications get paused or something when that happens
Feb 23 21:41:38 <vol> .... sigh.
Feb 23 21:42:16 <vol> ah, it's missing copybit.h
Feb 23 21:48:47 <KNY> DJTachyon, how are you setting notifications?
Feb 23 21:53:37 <DJTachyon> what do you mean?
Feb 23 21:53:59 <DJTachyon> like anybody else? apart from the fact that i am updating the notification over and over
Feb 23 22:04:02 <KNY> how do you change the date on the emulator?
Feb 23 22:04:10 <KNY> (or time)
Feb 23 22:04:35 <KNY> ah, nevermind, I got it
Feb 23 22:12:18 <ctate> DJTachyon: you want to force the screen *off*?
Feb 23 22:47:10 <DJTachyon> ctate: yes i want to completely black the screen leaving the LED notification updates working
Feb 23 22:47:31 <DJTachyon> and then restore upon pressing the menu button, back button, or something
Feb 23 22:47:52 <DJTachyon> the brightness of the backlight on a black screen still washes out the LED
Feb 23 23:01:31 <AakashPatel> can the android api change what network its connected to with wifi?
Feb 23 23:01:38 <AakashPatel> is that possible?
Feb 23 23:04:14 <AakashPatel> jsharkey: (sorry for bothering you) but is that possible?
Feb 23 23:08:26 <AakashPatel> anyone else?
Feb 23 23:14:12 <AakashPatel> is there an API that i can change what SSID the wifi is connected to?
Feb 23 23:14:28 <AakashPatel> (if that makes more sense then my last question)
Feb 23 23:23:21 <malkia> Hello, is there a way for the Java (Davilex) to access through FFI (or whatever is called in Java) a "C" code routines?
Feb 23 23:27:06 <vol> JNI
Feb 23 23:27:07 <vol> and yes
Feb 23 23:27:17 <vol> it's just a pain in the butt, especially if you don't know JNI :P
Feb 23 23:27:24 <vol> but yes, you can call native C code
Feb 23 23:27:36 <vol> you have to make your own library to load on the device, though
Feb 23 23:27:43 <vol> and native code is "discouraged" at the moment.
Feb 23 23:28:06 <vol> unless you absolutely must, or you have an enormous mature C/C++ code base that you're porting, just write what you need to in java.
Feb 23 23:33:55 <romainguy_> vol: it's not "discouraged", just don't do it
Feb 23 23:36:05 <DJTachyon> ugh starting to get some bright ones in #android
Feb 23 23:36:36 <AakashPatel> DJTachyon: do you know of a wifi api that lets you change the network that its connected to?
Feb 23 23:37:05 <jsharkey> AakashPatel: there is
Feb 23 23:37:11 <AakashPatel> jsharkey: ooooo!!!!
Feb 23 23:37:14 <jsharkey> look at WifiManager
Feb 23 23:37:30 <DJTachyon> heh
Feb 23 23:38:01 <AakashPatel> can you help me get a VERY simple app that just connects to a different network..?
Feb 23 23:38:04 <AakashPatel> please
Feb 23 23:39:11 <vol> romainguy_: :P
Feb 23 23:39:14 <malkia> vol: Thanks! Well my code is generating geometry on the fly, and it's getting about 20-30fps on the iphone using "C" there, so I gathered I won't be getting the same speed with davliex on the android.
Feb 23 23:39:51 <vol> malkia: hmm, no, you're probably right. You might want to look into JNI and the SurfaceView then
Feb 23 23:40:07 <malkia> vol: Thanks again! Very helpful, I'll look into them! Cheers!
Feb 23 23:40:26 <vol> malkia:
Feb 23 23:40:27 <vol> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/jni/spec/jniTOC.html
Feb 23 23:40:31 <vol> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jni/html/jniTOC.html
Feb 23 23:40:36 <vol> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/performance/1st_edition/html/JPTOC.fm.html
Feb 23 23:41:08 <AakashPatel> jsharkey: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/wifi/WifiManager.html im using that...but its not making sense to me
Feb 23 23:41:18 <AakashPatel> (i mean how to implement it)
Feb 23 23:42:01 <DJTachyon> ctate: apparently partial wakelock doesn't work for me
Feb 23 23:43:22 <DJTachyon> the notification updates stop
Feb 23 23:43:52 <DJTachyon> oh wait
Feb 23 23:43:58 <ctate> ?
Feb 23 23:44:01 <DJTachyon> hmm lemme try something ..
Feb 23 23:44:15 <zinx> bah.. so much in Java seems half-done.. no asynchronous DNS resolution built-in that I can find :x
Feb 23 23:45:14 <ctate> that's hardly a Java [programming language] issue
Feb 23 23:45:22 <ctate> but yeah, DNS is such a pain
Feb 23 23:46:13 <AakashPatel> jsharkey: would i use "android.net.wifi.PICK_WIFI_NETWORK"?
Feb 23 23:48:42 <DJTachyon> ctate: if you release a release wakelock will it throw?
Feb 23 23:49:17 <ctate> if you release a wakelock that you do not hold?
Feb 23 23:49:21 <ctate> i would guess so, yes
Feb 23 23:49:26 <ctate> don't do that :)
Feb 23 23:49:37 <DJTachyon> ahh isHeld()
Feb 23 23:49:39 <DJTachyon> that will help
Feb 23 23:49:39 <DJTachyon> :)
Feb 23 23:49:45 <DJTachyon> im switching back and forth between wakelocks
Feb 23 23:49:51 <DJTachyon> different ones
Feb 23 23:50:04 <ctate> and in fact i see it in the code
Feb 23 23:51:33 <ctate> btw during debugging you should always log the message of exceptions you are handed
Feb 23 23:51:52 <ctate> they are typically meaningful, like "WakeLock under-locked" in this case :)
Feb 23 23:51:57 <AakashPatel> jsharkey: aahh!!! i needs some help :-)
Feb 24 00:00:00 <jasta> zhobbs: adb shell dumpsys.activity | grep oom_adj
Feb 24 00:00:14 <jasta> higher oom_adj makes it more likely to be reaped
Feb 24 00:12:19 <zinx> ctate: it -IS- a java library issue
Feb 24 00:12:36 <ctate> i'll certainly grant that
Feb 24 00:13:28 <AakashPatel> zinx: can you help me write a simple app that changes the wifi network that the phone is connected to?
Feb 24 00:17:03 <zinx> AakashPatel: nope
Feb 24 00:17:26 <zinx> i can potentially answer specific questions related to doing so, however
Feb 24 00:17:57 <zinx> on that note - if NetworkInfo.isConnected() returns true, is it guaranteed that DNS is set up?
Feb 24 00:18:36 <zinx> (at least, if it will be set up..)
Feb 24 00:19:30 <AakashPatel> zinx: are you familiar with WifiManager?
Feb 24 00:19:37 <zinx> AakashPatel: nope.
Feb 24 00:32:07 <AakashPatel> ah...does ANYONE know how to use the WifiManager?
Feb 24 00:35:48 <jasta> AakashPatel: anyone that can read documentation does.  can you do that?
Feb 24 00:36:59 <AakashPatel> jasta: im reading them right now...
Feb 24 00:37:11 <AakashPatel> i just dont know how to implement it...i barlely know java
Feb 24 00:39:51 <jasta> if you can ask a specific question we can help.
Feb 24 00:40:42 <AakashPatel> ok...let me think of one :-)
Feb 24 00:41:43 <AakashPatel> jasta: what class would i use to connect to a different wifi network?
Feb 24 00:42:11 <AakashPatel> android.net.Wifi.WifiManager.--then what?
Feb 24 00:43:18 <jasta> i see several relevant methods right off the bat
Feb 24 00:44:50 <AakashPatel> jasta: thats one problem...i cant figure out which one to use
Feb 24 00:58:47 <AakashPatel> jasta: can you help me choose which specific class i need?
Feb 24 02:27:52 <unix_remote> i guess I should ask in here as nothing of substance ever gets said in #android.
Feb 24 02:28:05 <unix_remote> If i have an R.java file can i generate an xml layout file from it?
Feb 24 02:31:02 <AakashPatel> Is there a shortcut to indent what needs to be indented in eclipse?
Feb 24 02:33:26 <eldenz> unix_remote, no
Feb 24 02:34:49 <eldenz> unix_remote, the R.java only provides a named resource for the entries in the xml
Feb 24 02:36:18 <unix_remote> eldenz: thanks.
Feb 24 02:51:38 <herriojr_> so, do I need to worry about concurrency when using SQLiteOpenHelper?
Feb 24 02:54:31 <kRutOn> akashpatel: highlight and press ctrl alt f
Feb 24 02:54:54 <kRutOn> AakashPatel:
Feb 24 02:59:50 <AakashPatel> kRutOn: it was control I
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