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Mar 06 03:18:57 <KNY> is it possible for a TabHost to call into a child window?
Mar 06 03:19:00 <KNY> child tab*
Mar 06 04:12:58 <KNY> http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/design/performance.html -- are these specific to DalvikVM or are they due to Java in general?
Mar 06 04:13:08 <romainguy__> specific to Dalvik
Mar 06 04:13:18 <romainguy__> the may or may not apply to Java in general
Mar 06 04:13:20 <romainguy__> depends on the VM
Mar 06 04:13:29 <romainguy__> but with Hotspot it usually doesn't really matter
Mar 06 04:13:29 <KNY> ah, okay. I'd never heard the "cache your member variables" position before
Mar 06 04:13:31 <KNY> ah
Mar 06 04:21:24 <KNY> http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/design/seamlessness.html -- how does one open the notification area without a touch screen?
Mar 06 04:21:42 <KNY> oops, that link should have been http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/design/seamlessness.html#keyboard
Mar 06 04:22:02 <romainguy__> KNY: Menu > Notifications
Mar 06 04:22:18 <KNY> ah.
Mar 06 04:22:39 <KNY> damn you, romainguy__ for thinking of everything
Mar 06 04:22:44 <romainguy__> ^^
Mar 06 04:23:05 <romainguy__> we do have stuff that doesn't work without a touch screen though
Mar 06 04:23:07 <romainguy__> like sliders
Mar 06 04:23:09 <romainguy__> we're fixing that though
Mar 06 04:24:53 <KNY> it seems like you have to have one of either a touch screen or a trackball
Mar 06 04:25:01 <KNY> or else it would be really awkward to use
Mar 06 04:25:07 <romainguy__> or a dpad
Mar 06 04:25:25 <romainguy__> the UI toolkit was first developed for a dpad
Mar 06 04:25:28 <KNY> even using the dpad on the emulator is a pain, though
Mar 06 04:25:45 <romainguy__> it's very different from a real physical dpad
Mar 06 04:25:51 <KNY> maybe it's because I'm spoiled by the trackball though :)
Mar 06 04:29:16 <KNY> speaking of which, when is the emulator going to be updated for the virtual keyboard? is there an timeframe on that?
Mar 06 04:29:33 <romainguy__> the emulator doesn't need to be updated
Mar 06 04:29:34 <romainguy__> just run cupcake
Mar 06 04:30:06 <KNY> on my G1?
Mar 06 04:30:09 <KNY> :)
Mar 06 04:30:21 <romainguy__> you just asked about the emulator
Mar 06 04:30:24 <romainguy__> so no, not on your G1
Mar 06 04:30:31 <romainguy__> build cupcake and run the emulator with that
Mar 06 04:31:32 <tbr> does it support changing from portrait to landscape without restarting?
Mar 06 04:31:56 <romainguy__> <sigh>
Mar 06 04:31:56 <KNY> ah, I didn't know you could run different images (is that the right term?) on the emulator. I haven't looked into it too much, though (clearly)
Mar 06 04:32:13 <romainguy__> KNY: you can also just use the emulator that comes with the cupcake tree :p
Mar 06 04:32:24 <KNY> stop making so much sense!
Mar 06 04:33:18 <romainguy__> sorry :p
Mar 06 04:39:34 <rsteckler> I give up on WebView.
Mar 06 04:40:02 <KNY> hey romainguy__ I think there's a bug with your syntax highlighting code on your blog. http://www.curious-creature.org/2009/03/04/speed-up-your-android-ui/ (look at the XML under "This drawable is simply referenced by the theme:")
Mar 06 04:40:23 <romainguy__> yeah
Mar 06 04:40:27 <romainguy__> I use Google's prettyprint :)
Mar 06 04:40:32 <romainguy__> guess I should update :p
Mar 06 04:40:35 <KNY> haha
Mar 06 04:44:09 <romainguy__> fixed
Mar 06 04:44:10 <romainguy__> thanks :)
Mar 06 04:44:21 <romainguy__> berk
Mar 06 04:44:23 <romainguy__> they added a border
Mar 06 04:45:27 <romainguy__> fixed
Mar 06 04:51:13 <KNY> much better :)
Mar 06 04:53:51 <romainguy__> reminds me I should write blog posts about the UI thread, handlers and AsyncTask
Mar 06 04:54:18 <KNY> yeah, I'd be interested in AsyncTask
Mar 06 04:54:24 <romainguy__> have you used it?
Mar 06 04:54:36 <KNY> no, it's not in the SDK yet, right?
Mar 06 04:54:50 <romainguy__> no but you can grab it from android.git.kernel.org
Mar 06 04:55:46 <KNY> yeah, I've got the repo but I haven't had time
Mar 06 04:55:57 <KNY> by the time I have time to play with it, it'll be in the SDK :)
Mar 06 04:56:39 <romainguy__> ^^
Mar 06 04:56:50 <romainguy__> it takes a couple of minutes to use it
Mar 06 04:58:44 <KNY> is it basically an abstraction of doing tasks in threads and such?
Mar 06 04:59:01 <romainguy__> yes
Mar 06 04:59:05 <romainguy__> it spawns off a thread for you
Mar 06 04:59:22 <romainguy__> and takes care of interacting with the UI thread
Mar 06 04:59:26 <KNY> nice
Mar 06 04:59:27 <romainguy__> all you do is override a few methods
Mar 06 04:59:34 <KNY> sounds excellent
Mar 06 04:59:37 <romainguy__> onPreExecute() and onPostExecute() which run on the UI thread
Mar 06 04:59:45 <romainguy__> and doInBackground() that runs on the worker thread
Mar 06 04:59:53 <romainguy__> and doInBackground can pass results to the UI thread
Mar 06 05:00:00 <romainguy__> it also handles updates/progress
Mar 06 05:00:42 <KNY> damn you guys for not having it in there before ;)
Mar 06 05:00:48 * KNY goes to poke through the source
Mar 06 05:00:48 <romainguy__> sorry :))
Mar 06 05:01:06 <romainguy__> frameworks/base/core/java/android/os/AsyncTask.java
Mar 06 05:01:20 <KNY> yeah
Mar 06 05:01:31 <KNY> what's with the Status enum? I thought enums were bad...?
Mar 06 05:01:41 <romainguy__> only in performance sensitive code
Mar 06 05:01:52 <romainguy__> this enum is only used to know whether the task is running
Mar 06 05:01:54 <romainguy__> so...
Mar 06 05:02:07 <KNY> ah
Mar 06 05:02:52 <KNY> do you guys use eclipse?
Mar 06 05:03:03 <romainguy__> many engineers do yes
Mar 06 05:03:06 <romainguy__> I prefer IntelliJ
Mar 06 05:03:25 <KNY> do you know if the code formatter specs published anywhere?
Mar 06 05:03:36 <romainguy__> you mean our code style?
Mar 06 05:03:57 <KNY> yeah
Mar 06 05:04:18 <KNY> eclipse can import/export the code formatter preferences; just curious if that was published somewhere
Mar 06 05:04:22 <romainguy__> ah
Mar 06 05:04:28 <romainguy__> we have that in our internal tree
Mar 06 05:04:30 <romainguy__> we should publish that
Mar 06 05:04:41 <KNY> it'd be handy
Mar 06 05:04:55 <romainguy__> agreed
Mar 06 05:05:08 <romainguy__> although our style is very very close to the standard Sun Java code style
Mar 06 05:05:13 <KNY> yeah
Mar 06 05:05:28 <romainguy__> the biggest difference is prefixing fields with 'm'
Mar 06 05:05:32 <romainguy__> (which IntelliJ does for you \o/)
Mar 06 05:05:35 <KNY> yeah, I tend to do m_
Mar 06 05:05:41 <romainguy__> I hate prefixes
Mar 06 05:05:54 <KNY> it's better than littering your code with this.
Mar 06 05:06:18 <romainguy__> I disagree
Mar 06 05:06:18 <romainguy__> also
Mar 06 05:06:23 <romainguy__> IDE colorize fields differently now
Mar 06 05:06:25 <romainguy__> so... :)
Mar 06 05:06:40 <KNY> it's fewer keystrokes to do m_? than to type this.
Mar 06 05:06:48 <romainguy__> lol
Mar 06 05:06:50 <KNY> haha
Mar 06 05:06:56 <romainguy__> the fewer keystrokes argument is the lamest :p
Mar 06 05:07:03 <jasta> agreed
Mar 06 05:07:06 <jasta> however, i like mFoo
Mar 06 05:07:07 * KNY goes to use vi(m)
Mar 06 05:07:36 <KNY> does intellij have a format-on-save feature?
Mar 06 05:07:46 <romainguy__> it has a format on commit
Mar 06 05:07:46 <KNY> eclipse does, so I figure they must
Mar 06 05:07:50 <KNY> even better
Mar 06 05:07:50 <romainguy__> I don't know about format on save
Mar 06 05:08:31 <jasta> romainguy__: my normal style is quite unlike Android's style :)
Mar 06 05:08:39 <romainguy__> yeah I saw that
Mar 06 05:08:58 <romainguy__> my style was basically Android's, so... :)
Mar 06 05:09:27 <jasta> quite unlike "most" people's style.  except quite like K&R, so i feel justified.
Mar 06 05:09:47 <KNY> jasta, what does yours look like?
Mar 06 05:09:56 <romainguy__> KNY: "bad" :))
Mar 06 05:10:07 <KNY> romainguy__, I'm not one to judge :)
Mar 06 05:10:08 <jasta> KNY: like K&R's, except with 2 major differences.
Mar 06 05:10:29 <jasta> the first being that i tend to introduce blank whitespace lines between logical blocks of code.  my C often reads like:
Mar 06 05:10:32 <jasta>  
Mar 06 05:10:35 <jasta> int foo;
Mar 06 05:10:44 <jasta> stuff;
Mar 06 05:10:45 <jasta>  
Mar 06 05:10:47 <jasta> return foo;
Mar 06 05:10:54 <KNY> I do that too
Mar 06 05:11:07 <romainguy__> I wouldn't define this as part of the code style
Mar 06 05:11:08 <jasta> with other whitespace breaks where it makes sense, generally before and after conditionals, loops, etc.
Mar 06 05:11:12 <romainguy__> does K&R do?
Mar 06 05:11:25 <KNY> a friend of mine does that but will put arbitrary numbers of blank lines, like 5-10 between logical sections. drives me up the wall.
Mar 06 05:11:29 <romainguy__> (Android's style guide doesn't specify when you should add blank lines)
Mar 06 05:11:31 <jasta> romainguy__: K&R doesn't define any style, K&R's style is "defined" by how those two guys code.
Mar 06 05:11:34 <romainguy__> KNY: ahah I hate that
Mar 06 05:11:38 <romainguy__> jasta: uhuh
Mar 06 05:11:51 <jasta> and they dont put that whitespace in their code
Mar 06 05:11:51 <jasta> :)
Mar 06 05:11:58 <romainguy__> berk
Mar 06 05:12:23 <jasta> anyway, the other major difference is that where K&R places the opening brace on the following line for functions, i place it on the following line for conditions and loops as well.
Mar 06 05:12:32 <KNY> K&R bugs me how they put braces on new---yeah, what jasta said
Mar 06 05:12:50 <KNY> keep it consistent
Mar 06 05:13:02 <jasta> however to my great frustration, i make a special exception for try, catch, finally, where i place the brace on the same line as the keyword.
Mar 06 05:13:18 <KNY> heh
Mar 06 05:13:53 <jasta> the main reason i do this is because try, catch, and finally are syntactically inconsistent with conditions and loops.
Mar 06 05:13:56 <jasta> for instance
Mar 06 05:13:58 <jasta> you can't do:
Mar 06 05:13:59 <KNY> I prefer braces on end-of-line because vertical space is far more precious than horizontal
Mar 06 05:14:01 <jasta> try
Mar 06 05:14:04 <jasta>     foo;
Mar 06 05:14:05 <jasta> catch
Mar 06 05:14:06 <jasta>    bar;
Mar 06 05:14:10 <jasta> like you can with if, else, etc.
Mar 06 05:14:14 <KNY> jasta, yeah
Mar 06 05:14:20 <jasta> so i treat them special in my style, to put the brace on the same line.
Mar 06 05:15:12 <jasta> anyway, bbl, dinner
Mar 06 09:31:57 <tauno> does anyone know if I can be sure that Build.MODEL (and all other constants in Build) are never null?
Mar 06 09:34:34 <tauno> doh, I can look it up in the source. silly me
Mar 06 09:34:52 <tauno> not used to working with open source stuff :)
Mar 06 13:43:28 <local> anyone from sweden in here?
Mar 06 13:44:28 <ziyourenxiang> take a chance take a chance take a take chance chance
Mar 06 13:44:30 <ziyourenxiang> :-)
Mar 06 13:44:44 <ziyourenxiang> sorry, was just listening to abba :-)
Mar 06 13:59:09 <KNY> I have something that runs in onStart(), if a given Intent is specified. The trouble is that if I get a call and then hang up, the app goes back into onStart() and it performs the action again. Any way around that?
Mar 06 14:01:08 <digitalspaghetti> you could put something into the preferences for the activity on onPause, then check for it again onStart
Mar 06 14:01:32 <digitalspaghetti> something like this: http://paste.ifies.org/401
Mar 06 14:03:42 <KNY> hmm
Mar 06 14:04:16 <KNY> or I could just setIntent(null) in onPause(), no?
Mar 06 14:06:24 <KNY> doing setIntent(null) worked perfectly. I suppose I should have thought about it for 30 seconds before asking :)
Mar 06 14:06:25 <KNY> thanks, though
Mar 06 14:06:42 <digitalspaghetti> heh, i always do that
Mar 06 14:06:56 <digitalspaghetti> irc it's not so bad, but when it's a mailing list and you then just figure it out :)
Mar 06 14:07:10 <KNY> and it's always just after you hit send
Mar 06 14:07:29 <digitalspaghetti> yup
Mar 06 14:22:56 <KNY> is it possible to get access to the views inside a specific tab from a TabHost? (if that makes sense)
Mar 06 14:23:09 <KNY> I need to populate a text field
Mar 06 14:24:04 <digitalspaghetti> i tend to create a tabhost with intents
Mar 06 14:24:11 <digitalspaghetti> so my code is within the intent, not the tabhost
Mar 06 14:24:50 <KNY> digitalspaghetti, ahh, good call.
Mar 06 14:25:07 <digitalspaghetti> yea, saves my eyes too trying to read through the code
Mar 06 14:25:31 <digitalspaghetti> i still haven't worked out how to move stuff between tabs though
Mar 06 14:26:00 <digitalspaghetti> something about my class has to impelemtn Parcelable, but i haven't had time to look into it yet
Mar 06 15:14:08 <digitalspaghetti> does anyone have a GestureDetector/MotionEvent example?
Mar 06 15:27:10 <mickeyc> Am I right in my understanding that you can't get a list of nearby bluetooth devices using the current sdk?
Mar 06 15:27:35 <KNY> correct.
Mar 06 15:28:27 <digitalspaghetti> yes, the BT stack is not available yet
Mar 06 15:30:15 <mickeyc> Ok, thanks
Mar 06 15:30:36 <mickeyc> I just got RC9 delivered to my phone which is the UK version of the 1.1 firmware
Mar 06 15:30:46 <mickeyc> The maps api still doesn't have latitude in it
Mar 06 15:30:50 <mickeyc> The maps application I mean
Mar 06 15:31:29 <mickeyc> Strange. That's one of the things I was expecting as it was in the US RC33 release
Mar 06 15:31:47 <digitalspaghetti> mickeyc: you may have to do a factory reset
Mar 06 15:31:58 <mickeyc> Really?
Mar 06 15:32:05 <mickeyc> Hmmm
Mar 06 15:32:06 <digitalspaghetti> i had to when i did RC33, although my RC9 is fine when i installed it over RC33
Mar 06 15:32:20 <digitalspaghetti> since it was already enabled
Mar 06 15:33:20 <mickeyc> I'll try that now
Mar 06 15:34:36 <digitalspaghetti> backup your SMS's though
Mar 06 15:34:52 <digitalspaghetti> (there is a free app in the market to do that to your gmail account)
Mar 06 15:35:18 <digitalspaghetti> and you'll loose any apps alrady installed, but the market will give you a list again in My Downloads
Mar 06 15:35:40 <mickeyc> I'm not bothered about retaining sms's
Mar 06 15:35:51 <mickeyc> And I only have a couple of free apps installed
Mar 06 15:37:14 <mickeyc> Done
Mar 06 15:37:21 <mickeyc> Right, I still don't see latitude anywhere
Mar 06 15:37:57 <digitalspaghetti> where are you looking?
Mar 06 15:38:28 <mickeyc> I click maps, and then hit the menu button
Mar 06 15:38:47 <mickeyc> I figured there'd be an option somewhere round there, or a settings menu or something
Mar 06 15:39:03 <digitalspaghetti> yes, it is :(
Mar 06 15:39:17 <digitalspaghetti> this is weird - i've had some folks with RC9 got it fine, some don't
Mar 06 15:39:41 <mickeyc> I'm not overly bothered as I don't want to use latitude. I was just expecting it to be there, that's all
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Mar 06 18:00:46 <kRutOn> geez, I managed to get a hue-picking color wheel drawn in 480ms in the simulator down from its original 5600ms.
Mar 06 18:01:04 <zhobbs> nice
Mar 06 18:01:15 <zhobbs> I'll probably have to build one soon...
Mar 06 18:01:33 <kRutOn> You can just use mine. It's going into ConnectBot.
Mar 06 18:01:40 <kRutOn> Unless you have a licensing problem.
Mar 06 18:01:59 <kRutOn> http://the-b.org/~kenny/temp/picker-interp4.png
Mar 06 18:02:31 <nemyhlovecraft> hi ever'body
Mar 06 18:02:49 <zhobbs> probably won't be able to use yours...the app I'm working on isn't open source unfortunately
Mar 06 18:03:01 <nemyhlovecraft> I was wondering if anybody has seen:
Mar 06 18:03:06 <nemyhlovecraft>  ERROR/GLLogger(1701): validate_display_surface:779 error 300d (EGL_BAD_SURFACE)
Mar 06 18:03:21 <nemyhlovecraft> And knows what might be causing it
Mar 06 18:03:36 <aoriani> anyone got luck using android.resource:// to set a custom sound for Notification?
Mar 06 18:03:38 <kRutOn> jbq: This could be a good interview question.
Mar 06 18:04:28 <jbq> heh, sounds like a serious optimization you did there.
Mar 06 18:04:34 <nemyhlovecraft> There don't seeem to be any other surface flinger errors around it, and it only happens occasionally
Mar 06 18:05:25 <nemyhlovecraft> in fact it seems to happen only when I am trying to run in debug mode
Mar 06 18:05:39 <nemyhlovecraft> where things are moving noticably slower
Mar 06 18:07:48 <vol> nemyhlovecraft: egl_bad_surface occurs in a few places.
Mar 06 18:08:12 <vol> try checking returns? I dunno
Mar 06 18:08:34 <nemyhlovecraft> returns from what?
Mar 06 18:19:19 <herriojr> good morning
Mar 06 18:39:22 <loglaunch> When i use the camera in my application the image preview is all distorted until i flip out the keyboard on my G1, then it displays correctly...
Mar 06 18:39:27 <loglaunch> anyone else have this?
Mar 06 18:45:07 <jbq> camera on the G1 only works in landscape mode (grrrr)
Mar 06 18:46:14 <loglaunch> :(
Mar 06 18:46:22 <loglaunch> any work around?
Mar 06 18:46:37 <jbq> force your app to be landscape-only? :/
Mar 06 18:46:50 <jbq> (well, just the activity that has the camera)
Mar 06 18:47:06 <loglaunch> so im just gona have to display something like "please flip out the keyboard"
Mar 06 18:47:09 <loglaunch> :(
Mar 06 18:47:16 <loglaunch> thats a bit meh....
Mar 06 18:47:56 <jbq> you can force the orientation to lanscape for that one activity, it'll switch automatically (like the built-in camera does, or youtube when playing videos)
Mar 06 18:48:09 <loglaunch> why is it landscape only? like whats the restriction?
Mar 06 18:48:11 <loglaunch> ah, ok
Mar 06 18:48:19 <loglaunch> i must have a look for that
Mar 06 18:48:27 <jbq> here's how camera does it: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Camera.git;a=blob;f=AndroidManifest.xml;h=574d301c42e7854f0e09071c54dc8f1b02997d86;hb=HEAD#l20
Mar 06 18:49:08 <loglaunch> ah
Mar 06 18:51:00 <loglaunch> thanks for that
Mar 06 18:51:07 <jbq> sure
Mar 06 18:51:32 <jbq> I wish there was a better option in terms of user experience, but at least that's a simple one-liner.
Mar 06 20:14:22 <TreyB> jbq: A clean build seems to have succeeded, but the emulator spins just the same even after 38+ CPU minutes.
Mar 06 20:14:59 <TreyB> I'll restart the VM with another half-gig and see if that helps.
Mar 06 20:26:45 <TreyB> No Joy (tm).  I seem to have enough RAM to run.  I don't even get into the swap with 1.5GB, with about 1GB free (according to free).
Mar 06 20:29:26 <ctate> are you watching its logcat output to see what it thinks is going on?
Mar 06 20:44:48 <TreyB> ctate: it never gets up far enough to see logcat output.
Mar 06 20:46:46 <TreyB> adb says: - waiting for device -
Mar 06 20:47:51 <TreyB> ctate: emulator seems to burn about 92% of the CPU doing nothing, with no display and no disk activity that I can descern.
Mar 06 20:59:58 <ctate> TreyB: you're passing the -logcat "*:v" argument to the emulator when you run it?
Mar 06 21:00:16 <ctate> if you are, and it's still not producing any output, that suggests that it never really starts running at all
Mar 06 21:05:38 <TreyB> Let me kill and restart it with that.
Mar 06 21:07:00 <TreyB> Nope.  Still waiting, no matter which ordrer I start them.
Mar 06 21:08:07 <TreyB> order
Mar 06 21:15:35 <TreyB> gdb says I have three threads, one in a fork from android_emulation_setup, and two in audio_pt_wait in a pthread_cond_wait.
Mar 06 21:46:37 <kencausey> How do you do font/typeface discovery on Android?
Mar 06 21:47:03 <kencausey> I see how to create one from a name as a string, but how do I discover what are valid family names?
Mar 06 21:48:24 <zhobbs> kencausey: I use the static members of Typeface
Mar 06 21:48:46 <TreyB> I suppose downloadable fonts don't yet exist.
Mar 06 22:21:38 <p0lar69> Hey all
Mar 06 22:22:19 <p0lar69> im wondering if each activity that has an onCreate() can have an onStop()
Mar 06 22:22:39 <p0lar69> I have several activities in my app that call onCreate()
Mar 06 22:24:29 <ctate> can, sure
Mar 06 22:24:34 <p0lar69> kk
Mar 06 22:24:48 <ctate> any activity can override any of the lifecycle callbacks
Mar 06 22:25:09 <p0lar69> yeah so when its overridden IF there is a onStop() that called?
Mar 06 22:25:14 <p0lar69> or is that onPause?
Mar 06 22:25:29 <ctate> onPause() and onStop() will always be invoked
Mar 06 22:25:34 <p0lar69> kk
Mar 06 22:25:43 <p0lar69> sweet thanks
Mar 06 22:25:44 <ctate> it's just that if you haven't overridden them, then only the superclass implementation will be run
Mar 06 22:25:56 <p0lar69> gotacha
Mar 06 22:25:57 <ctate> you have to call the super versions if you override them, too -- see the docs on that
Mar 06 22:26:13 <ctate> the base Activity class implementation does a lot of work)
Mar 06 22:26:25 <p0lar69> ok yeah
Mar 06 22:26:27 <p0lar69> i follow
Mar 06 22:27:29 <p0lar69> thanks
Mar 06 22:28:07 <ctate> in the javadoc for these lifecycle callbacks you'll typically see a note like "Derived classes must call through to the super class's implementation of this method. If they do not, an exception will be thrown."
Mar 06 22:28:41 <p0lar69> ok
Mar 06 22:34:23 <xlv-labs> ctate: I've added android specific rules in PMD to check for correct usage of the onXXX() methods. It's part of the 4.2.5 release I've generated a couple of weeks ago.
Mar 06 22:38:27 <ctate> "PMD"?
Mar 06 22:38:58 <ctate> also woohoo checks on that
Mar 06 22:39:14 <ctate>  there are runtime checks too, of course, but having it complain at or before build time is awesome
Mar 06 22:40:00 <xlv-labs> well I just created a basic ruleset for android and wanted to release it. Enhancements are welcome, specially from people from Google...
Mar 06 22:40:55 <xlv-labs> I'll probably release a new version of the PMD eclipse plugin with that version soon so it will be easier to use
Mar 06 22:41:15 <ctate> i am embarrassed to say that i don't know what "PMD" stands for here
Mar 06 22:41:33 <viju85> is there a way to port j2me app on android?
Mar 06 22:42:13 <romainguy> ctate: think findbugs :)
Mar 06 22:42:35 <ctate> no easy way that i know of, viju85.  obviously the app core logic is already in java, which helps, but it still needs to be incorporated into the Android application model by writing a proper Android app/activity set for it.
Mar 06 22:42:44 <xlv-labs> I have to admit. I don't know, I'm not the original author... see http://pmd.sourceforge.net/meaning.html for the meaning
Mar 06 22:43:15 <ctate> oh, it's a static-analysis thing.  gotcha.  neat!
Mar 06 22:43:48 <romainguy> ctate: that's why we should all use this in Eclipse or IntelliJ that has something similar enabled by default
Mar 06 22:44:07 <romainguy> ctate: because when I open some of our .java files in IntelliJ, my IDE just light up in yellow with dozens of warnings :P
Mar 06 22:44:11 <ctate> wuh oh
Mar 06 22:44:13 <romainguy> (possible NPEs, dead code, etc.)
Mar 06 22:44:21 <romainguy> I should show you when you have a couple of minutes
Mar 06 22:46:19 <xlv-labs> well, once I'm a little further along with writing my Android app, I'll work on the eclipse plugin and update you with the status :)  most likely by the end of the weekend
Mar 06 22:47:56 <vol> viju85: someone announced a program that will port your j2me program to android. I have no idea how well that will work though.
Mar 06 22:49:02 <ctate> i've seen a couple of J2ME-to-Android ports that were basically functional, but as far as fitting into the Android UX were *awful*
Mar 06 23:06:44 <viju85> hmmm... thanks...
Mar 06 23:07:07 <viju85> but i dont think u can port any j2me app to android.
Mar 06 23:07:12 <viju85> there must be some restrictions
Mar 06 23:08:43 <ctate> well, the app models are totally different
Mar 06 23:09:11 <ctate> as far as the language, Android has real Java, while J2ME is just a limited subset.  That would make it potentially very hard to go from Android to J2ME, but doesn't much affect the other direction.
Mar 06 23:21:55 <digitalspaghetti> do i have to do anything to a TextView to get it to render a bold tag?
Mar 06 23:52:09 <digitalspaghetti> meep meep
Mar 06 23:58:07 <fadden> To clarify something ctate said at 15:09...
Mar 06 23:58:12 <fadden> Android does not have "real Java".
Mar 06 23:58:21 <ctate> oh, that's true
Mar 06 23:58:26 <fadden> We do, however, have something very like J2SE, which is very much a superset of J2Me.
Mar 06 23:58:34 <ctate> it supports a much fuller version of the language than J2ME does
Mar 06 23:58:56 <ctate> but definitely take fadden's word over mine if they ever conflict on this stuff
Mar 06 23:59:26 <fadden> Mostly I want to be clear that we're not claiming to be Java(tm).
Mar 06 23:59:32 <ctate> right
Mar 06 23:59:41 <fadden> We just happen to work with code written in the Java programming language.
Mar 07 00:01:54 <morganx> random: have any of you written iphone apps?
Mar 07 00:02:59 <morganx> i've looked around for someone reviewing both from a dev perspective but i haven't found much.
Mar 07 00:03:21 <morganx> not that i'm ever going to write an iphone app, but...
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