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Apr 05 05:11:54 <Graham55> hi
Apr 05 05:13:17 <Graham55> does anyone know, on eclipse, i click the icon of the bug (to start debugging) and it bring up this annoying window "Debug As Select a way to debug xxx" and I have to manually click on Android Application everytime...
Apr 05 05:13:33 <Graham55> can I set this as a default option so it goes straight into debugging on the emulator without asking me this question?
Apr 05 05:20:21 <romainguy> yes
Apr 05 05:20:25 <romainguy> instead of clicking the button
Apr 05 05:20:29 <romainguy> click the arrow next to it
Apr 05 05:20:35 <romainguy> (the debug button I mean)
Apr 05 05:21:20 <Graham55> yeah when i do that i get Debug As in the menu, but the only option under that is (none applicable)
Apr 05 05:22:01 <romainguy> weird
Apr 05 05:30:19 <schnoodles> anyone know why these actual menu clicks might not work http://pastebin.com/d1be827cc
Apr 05 05:32:21 <Graham55> you shouldn't be calling super.onCreateOptionsMenu() twice
Apr 05 05:32:51 <Graham55> change line 4 to boolean=super.onCreate...
Apr 05 05:32:58 <Graham55> and return boolean value
Apr 05 05:36:54 <schnoodles> yeah it all works except the onOptionsItemSelected function
Apr 05 05:40:54 <schnoodles> hrmm i even did System.out.print(item.getItemId()); inthat function and nothing gets printed almost like that function isnt getting called
Apr 05 05:44:15 <Graham55> wait i think it's supposed to be onMenuItemSelected
Apr 05 05:44:44 <Graham55> not onOptionsItemSelected
Apr 05 05:44:52 <romainguy> just what Graham55 said
Apr 05 05:45:13 <schnoodles> ahh damn i cant believe i missed that :P
Apr 05 05:47:29 <schnoodles> actually i think i need onOptionsItemSelected, this is to do with the menu and not a dialog
Apr 05 05:50:26 <Graham55> actually the documentation does say to use onOptionsItemSelected
Apr 05 05:50:36 <romainguy> wait
Apr 05 05:50:39 <romainguy> let me chedk
Apr 05 05:50:41 <romainguy> check
Apr 05 05:50:41 <Graham55> When you add items to the menu, you can implement the Activity's onOptionsItemSelected(MenuItem) method to handle them there.
Apr 05 05:51:08 <Graham55> and i just did a test, they both get called on a click event for the Menu items
Apr 05 05:51:12 <romainguy> no
Apr 05 05:51:19 <romainguy> it's onMenuItemSelected
Apr 05 05:51:54 <romainguy> it has a relationship with onOptionsItemSelected but you should not worry about it
Apr 05 05:52:10 <schnoodles> i tried that aswell but it still does not trigger :\
Apr 05 05:52:15 <romainguy> you can see an example I wrote here: http://code.google.com/p/shelves/source/browse/trunk/Shelves/src/org/curiouscreature/android/shelves/activity/ShelvesActivity.java
Apr 05 05:52:51 <romainguy> schnoodles: by the way, do NOT put an Exit menu item in your app
Apr 05 05:52:57 <romainguy> Android apps just don't do that
Apr 05 05:52:58 <romainguy> so don't do it
Apr 05 05:53:10 <schnoodles> actually i have it working now
Apr 05 05:53:34 <romainguy> yeah but don't use an exit menu :)
Apr 05 05:54:16 <schnoodles> ahh ok how come exactly :\
Apr 05 05:54:17 <Graham55> know what onOptionsItemSelected is used for then?
Apr 05 05:54:22 <schnoodles> so you arent meant to exit an app ?
Apr 05 05:54:27 <romainguy> for context menus
Apr 05 05:54:33 <romainguy> schnoodles: apps don't exit on Android
Apr 05 05:54:38 <romainguy> schnoodles: the system takes care of that
Apr 05 05:54:43 <romainguy> to get out of an app you just press back or home
Apr 05 05:55:51 <schnoodles> hrmm seems abit wierd :\ but ohwell
Apr 05 05:56:12 <romainguy> it makes sense actually
Apr 05 05:56:25 <romainguy> the idea is that if the user wants to come back to the app, there's no loading time
Apr 05 05:56:27 <romainguy> since the app is here
Apr 05 05:56:56 <romainguy> and there's just no reason to quit an app when you think about it
Apr 05 05:57:00 <romainguy> if the system does it for you
Apr 05 05:57:09 <romainguy> (since all apps are encouraged to save their state_
Apr 05 05:57:19 <schnoodles> would that be memory intensive ?
Apr 05 05:57:29 <romainguy> we always use all of the available memory
Apr 05 05:57:32 <romainguy> but so what?
Apr 05 05:57:43 <romainguy> when the system needs memory, it gets rid of a service or an app
Apr 05 05:57:49 <romainguy> and lets you run the one you want
Apr 05 05:57:52 <romainguy> but you don't notice
Apr 05 06:00:05 <Graham55> i don't think it costs extra battery power to keep processing in memory either, only cpu power...
Apr 05 06:00:15 <Graham55> i mean keep processes in memory
Apr 05 09:48:44 <filosofico> Hi. If I compile android from source the "Google Maps" application isn't available. How can I enable it?
Apr 05 10:04:16 <Graham55> Google Maps is closed source
Apr 05 10:04:21 <Graham55> like Gmail and some others
Apr 05 10:05:40 <filosofico> Graham55: yes, as I have supposed. But there is a way to install them in a compiled emulator?
Apr 05 10:15:20 <Graham55> not that i know of
Apr 05 10:15:42 <Graham55> JF's build has them installed though
Apr 05 10:15:53 <Graham55> he might have the apk's in his download
Apr 05 10:17:18 <filosofico> Graham55: yes, thanks. But another question: how I can download apps from market? I need to navigate it using the emulator?
Apr 05 10:19:10 <Graham55> you want to access the Market from the emulator?
Apr 05 10:21:56 <filosofico> no I need an application that read the location from gps and center the map. I have considered to use g. maps but in compiled emulator isn't available. So I found a similar app. on market I don't figure out how to download it ... sorry for my stupid-ness ...
Apr 05 10:23:39 <Graham55> if the market is not your build i don't know how to download apk's
Apr 05 10:24:34 <Graham55> unless you install them on another rooted g1 then copy them over from the SD
Apr 05 10:31:59 <filosofico> ah ... interesting ... the situation is getting worse: I have installed an apk from a site that uses "com.google.android.maps" library but the "adb install" fails miserably with "Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_MISSING_SHARED_LIBRARY]". This means that also binary version of google apis isn't present in an emulator compiled from source?
Apr 05 10:37:29 <TD> filosofico: maps isn't open source
Apr 05 10:38:45 <filosofico> TD: yes I know but if I develop an application using maps api how I can install it if the uses-library fails because isn't available in the emulator?
Apr 05 10:39:12 <TD> you could try copying it from a standard sdk build
Apr 05 10:40:58 <filosofico> TD: you are right ... (why why why I have chosen a thesis about android ... GRRR)
Apr 05 11:03:21 <gislan> filosofico: thesis?
Apr 05 11:04:12 <gislan> filosofico: you're doing masters thesis on android?
Apr 05 11:04:19 <filosofico> gislan: yes
Apr 05 11:04:39 <gislan> filosofico: and what's wrong with that? I'm thinking about it myself (got around 1 month left to decide)
Apr 05 11:07:36 <filosofico> gislan: because android is a partial-opensource project. Many things aren't available if you compile from source. And also, sorry there, but support is very low. In mailing lists you get a response more or less to 1 of 10 questions and usually the answer is "read the code" ... yes if I have weeks to spend to search in scattered 13000+ files what I need ...
Apr 05 11:10:17 <gislan> filosofico: ouch, sounds bad...that's what I'm afraid of too, I'm still not sure if android is good platform for my master thesis project. Thanks for the warning :)
Apr 05 11:11:50 <filosofico> gislan: you are wellcome :-D ... Now I have a pretty high knowledge of android weirdness. I'm putting my hands in source code (adding functionalities and more) since last November
Apr 05 11:12:24 <gislan> what's your thesis subject?
Apr 05 11:12:45 <filosofico> and I can certify that android is really weird sometimes
Apr 05 11:13:36 <filosofico> A port to a completly different hardware, involving the need to expose to the apps new devices
Apr 05 11:14:03 <gislan> sounds interesting
Apr 05 11:15:30 <filosofico> yes, it is ... if there aren't so much problems
Apr 05 11:16:33 <gislan> may I ask what hardware it is?
Apr 05 11:22:17 <filosofico> a car
Apr 05 11:31:15 <TD> filosofico: hmm, when i did my dissertation i didn't have any support at all :)
Apr 05 11:32:19 <filosofico> TD: :-D
Apr 05 11:33:31 <filosofico> TD: I only claimed the so-called "right to grumble" :-DD
Apr 05 11:36:18 <TD> heh
Apr 05 12:17:45 * TD wishes facebook would treat android as a first class citizen <grumble>
Apr 05 12:22:19 <filosofico> TD: you too grumble :-)
Apr 05 12:23:22 <TD> yep, for sure
Apr 05 12:28:20 <filosofico> about maps apis jar and copying them from an official system image: obviously extract and use the jar with a build of Android from open source would be in conflict with clause 3.3 of the Android Software Development Kit License Agreement. Now the question is: how to ask to google the right way to get that infamous jar?
Apr 05 12:46:22 <Graham55> filosofico: are you building the source to run on a mobile device (like dev phone) or are you trying to run it on a virtual environment?
Apr 05 12:48:53 <filosofico> Graham55: both ... the first attempt will be run it on an emulator and then on a EEE for testing ... my work actually is only for educational purpose (master thesis)
Apr 05 12:53:21 <filosofico> Graham55: well ... I'm working on a master thesis about android but with the interest of a big company
Apr 05 13:01:18 <Dialekt> .
Apr 05 13:48:01 <Graham55> filosofico: what type of emulator do you use... i would like to do the same here
Apr 05 13:50:44 <MoZzY^^> eclipse android plugin are nice.
Apr 05 13:54:20 <filosofico> Graham55: I use the qemu shipped with source, at this time
Apr 05 14:22:12 <Graham55> good luck with it, let us know how it goes
Apr 05 14:22:58 <filosofico> Graham55: actually I'm testing this http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/
Apr 05 15:03:04 <AntiInit> http://www.hackinghardware.com/?q=node/28   native sdl
Apr 05 16:03:48 <digitalspaghetti> sweet
Apr 05 16:03:55 <digitalspaghetti> i haven't used SDL in years, but i had fun with it
Apr 05 17:58:13 <blip-> googool
Apr 05 18:00:33 <blip-> mibbit
Apr 05 18:05:02 <mib_mjw13z45> is there any app that call it self "fault tolerante"?
Apr 05 18:06:06 <jbq_> it all depends on what you mean specifically. The download manager as an example knows how to resume downloads around losses of connectivity and network configuration changes.
Apr 05 18:09:29 <mib_mjw13z45> i mean that the app can recover from dropof messages, duplication, and other communication faults. Or i am wrong and the system is the only to provide this can service, not the app?
Apr 05 19:35:32 <bdodson> Does anyone know the best way to create a dialog for selecting something from a list?
Apr 05 19:35:54 <AakashPatel> bdodson: check out the Api Demos :-)
Apr 05 19:38:54 <bdodson> the only ones I see use a ListActivity..
Apr 05 19:40:48 <bdodson> I think I'm close, but I'm getting a null pointer exception. I tried: 1) create a dialog 2) add a listView to it 3) call dialog.show(); 4) findViewById for the listview 5) bind my adapter to the listview
Apr 05 19:41:02 <bdodson> but I'm getting null returned for (4)
Apr 05 19:42:06 <AakashPatel> waht is your view name?
Apr 05 19:42:53 <bdodson> (ListView)findViewById(R.id.profile_list);            ?
Apr 05 19:43:08 <AakashPatel> and its returning null?
Apr 05 19:43:13 <bdodson> yea
Apr 05 19:43:33 <AakashPatel> are you sure you make the dialoug rigiht?
Apr 05 19:43:47 <bdodson> yea.. pretty sure
Apr 05 19:43:55 <bdodson> dl.setContentView(R.layout.profiles);
Apr 05 19:44:03 <bdodson> and that layout has an element called profile_list
Apr 05 19:44:13 <bdodson> and I'm calling dl.show()
Apr 05 19:45:55 <AakashPatel> uh...so the profiles layout has an element called profile_list?
Apr 05 19:47:23 <bdodson> yeah
Apr 05 19:47:38 <bdodson> <ListView 	android:id="@+id/profile_list" ...
Apr 05 19:47:50 <AakashPatel> are you sure thats the correct way to show that element?
Apr 05 19:48:03 <bdodson> no :)
Apr 05 19:48:14 <bdodson> you mean the dialog?
Apr 05 19:48:32 <bdodson> I know that calling dl.show() displays it to screen, yes
Apr 05 19:48:48 <bdodson> if I have simple TextViews or whatever it works fine
Apr 05 19:50:37 <bdodson> maybe a Spinner will help get me out of this...
Apr 05 19:55:40 <AakashPatel> bdodson: yeah a spinner might...ive used one before
Apr 05 19:56:29 <bdodson> aaah I think I found it...
Apr 05 19:56:38 <bdodson> was calling findViewById() and I think I need dl.findViewById()
Apr 05 19:57:06 <bdodson> VICTORY :)
Apr 05 19:57:10 <bdodson> thanks for the help
Apr 05 19:58:05 <AakashPatel> lol i didnt even hlep
Apr 05 20:01:26 <bdodson> talking it out helps :)
Apr 05 21:57:52 <filosofico> hi
Apr 05 21:58:52 <filosofico> someone here knows why in a emulator compiled from source applications using gps fails?
Apr 05 22:10:13 <halley> How does R.java get updated with new/changed identifiers?  Docs just say it gets auto-generated.  I'm using Eclipse, and changed the name of a string in strings.xml
Apr 05 22:23:29 <pjz> halley: hit F5 on your strings.xml
Apr 05 22:23:35 <pjz> halley: or maybe F5 on R.java
Apr 05 22:24:07 <pjz> halley: I think the latter b/c it makes R.java re-check its dependencies and rebuild itself if need be
Apr 05 22:25:04 <halley> On the raw xml view of strings.xml, it seemed to work.  I'll try on R.java itself.
Apr 05 22:26:04 <halley> Doesn't seem to do anything on R.java
Apr 05 22:27:10 <halley> That helps, thanks, pjz.
Apr 05 22:27:41 <halley> The Eclipse window for editing strings also doesn't update the left list right away when you change the name.
Apr 05 22:27:42 * halley shrugs.
Apr 05 23:14:54 <filosofico> some one knows why in an emulator compiled from source LocationManager.requestLocationUpdates(LocationManager.GPS_PROVIDER ... blabla) doesn't work? (gps provider seems always disabled ...)
Apr 05 23:50:33 <qwandor> hi, does anyone know any way to play audio straight from memory, rather than from a file?
Apr 05 23:51:23 <qwandor> e.g. if I generate some sound on the fly, or implement my own streaming protocol, and want to play it
Apr 05 23:51:43 <qwandor> the only way I can currently see is to write it all to a big file on the SD card and then play it back from there
Apr 05 23:51:51 <qwandor> but that is quite unsatisfactory
Apr 05 23:53:33 <marklar> qwandor: I don't know much about it, but I think the audio API isn't complete so tasks like that are pretty hard
Apr 05 23:57:11 <DJTachyon> im on that bug report
Apr 05 23:57:22 <DJTachyon> its not supported yet
Apr 05 23:57:25 <DJTachyon> let me link you
Apr 05 23:57:31 <qwandor> ah, thanks
Apr 05 23:58:14 <DJTachyon> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=67&colspec=ID%20Type%20Version%20Security%20Status%20Owner%20Summary
Apr 05 23:58:16 <DJTachyon> and
Apr 05 23:58:43 <qwandor> I am wondering whether it might be possible to hack around it in the meantime by creating a named pipe and playing from that
Apr 05 23:58:50 <qwandor> any idea if that might possibly work?
Apr 05 23:59:02 <DJTachyon> heh not likely .. its an OS API restriction
Apr 05 23:59:12 <DJTachyon> so unless you build custom firmware
Apr 05 23:59:44 <qwandor> okay
Apr 05 23:59:58 <qwandor> well I will vote for that bug anyway
Apr 06 00:00:29 <DJTachyon> trust me .. im waiting on adjustable playback speed and direct audio buffer access to perform FIR filters on
Apr 06 00:00:50 <DJTachyon> go add yourself for notification on the associated bugs
Apr 06 00:14:02 <qwandor> hmm, one of the bug reports mentions something called AndroidClip which might be able to do it, but it seems to have been removed in the current API
Apr 06 01:45:32 <zinx> ok, i give up.. how the heck can i catch arbitrary key down/up events?  adding an OnKeyListener to my top-level view and focusing it results in zero keys :/
Apr 06 01:50:28 <zinx> meh, i'll just override dispatchKeyEvent in my app :P
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