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Apr 11 03:00:00 <AakashPatel> macpod: i belive so...what OS are yo one?
Apr 11 03:00:11 <macpod> linux
Apr 11 03:00:25 <macpod> I wish I could just do make host_tools
Apr 11 03:00:27 <AakashPatel> try "make tools" or something
Apr 11 03:01:31 <macpod> Is that an educated guess of yours?
Apr 11 03:01:38 <AakashPatel> yep :-)
Apr 11 03:01:44 <AakashPatel> becuase the sdk is make sdk
Apr 11 03:02:21 <macpod> hmm, that's good to know
Apr 11 03:03:08 <AakashPatel> macpod: did it work?
Apr 11 03:05:47 <macpod> Hold on, I'm making a backup of my working setup
Apr 11 03:06:58 <macpod> I just built everything.. but that's very inefficient for what I need it for (kernel stuff)
Apr 11 03:07:43 <AakashPatel> ah okay
Apr 11 03:26:02 <macpod> my hard drive is slow.
Apr 11 03:26:33 <AakashPatel> macpod: get a fast one!
Apr 11 03:27:01 <macpod> If I had the money :(
Apr 11 03:28:48 <AakashPatel> what type of comp you have?
Apr 11 03:29:25 <macpod> an older thinkpad. It's not that slow. But the hd probably is 4200. No big deal
Apr 11 03:29:42 <AakashPatel> 4200 too slow lol
Apr 11 03:31:16 <macpod> in build/core/main.mk is where the different builds are suggested
Apr 11 03:32:00 <AakashPatel> oksyz/  s
Apr 11 03:32:06 <AakashPatel> damn..i need some sleep lol
Apr 11 03:33:55 <macpod> perhaps userdebug
Apr 11 03:34:22 <AakashPatel> uhh
Apr 11 03:35:05 <AakashPatel> no
Apr 11 03:35:14 <macpod> I'm just skimming :(
Apr 11 03:35:39 <AakashPatel> yeah make tools
Apr 11 03:35:40 <AakashPatel> it woks
Apr 11 03:35:42 <AakashPatel> works
Apr 11 03:36:10 <macpod> but is it building everything, or just tools?
Apr 11 03:36:21 <AakashPatel> just tools :-?
Apr 11 03:36:24 <macpod> I can do make banana and it made everythig
Apr 11 03:36:35 <macpod> no bananas were made :(
Apr 11 03:36:42 <AakashPatel> lol
Apr 11 03:36:47 <AakashPatel> really?
Apr 11 03:36:49 <AakashPatel> sure?
Apr 11 03:38:53 <macpod> oh yea, user and userdebug are wrong
Apr 11 03:39:44 <macpod> build/envsetup.sh looks useful
Apr 11 03:40:00 <AakashPatel> try it
Apr 11 03:40:09 <AakashPatel> i cant right now...sycning
Apr 11 03:40:27 <macpod> It looks like a help utility for building/etc.
Apr 11 03:40:45 <AakashPatel> ah
Apr 11 03:43:33 <AakashPatel> how do i bottom alidgn something in layout?
Apr 11 03:43:45 <romainguy_> use layout_gravity
Apr 11 03:48:08 <AakashPatel> android:layout_gravity="bottom" />
Apr 11 03:48:16 <AakashPatel> i added that...but its not going to the bottom :/
Apr 11 03:51:09 <macpod> use one of the align_parent options to bring it to the bottom?
Apr 11 03:51:27 <romainguy_> there's no align_parent
Apr 11 03:51:36 <romainguy_> and the only layout with align is RelativeLayout
Apr 11 03:51:39 <romainguy_> AakashPatel: what's your layout ?
Apr 11 03:51:46 <macpod> I assumed relative :)
Apr 11 03:52:08 <macpod> align_parent_bottom
Apr 11 03:52:28 <romainguy_> it's layout_alignParentBottom
Apr 11 03:52:44 <macpod> semantics
Apr 11 03:53:01 <romainguy_> which matters qiute a bit in programming :)
Apr 11 03:53:33 <AakashPatel> http://pastebin.com/m7f0c077f
Apr 11 03:53:45 <AakashPatel> the "right" thing works
Apr 11 03:53:48 <macpod> android:layout_alignParentBottom:"true"
Apr 11 03:53:49 <romainguy_> yeah
Apr 11 03:53:59 <romainguy_> macpod: ="true" not :"true" :)
Apr 11 03:54:08 <romainguy_> AakashPatel: you can align bottom inside a vertical linear layout
Apr 11 03:54:16 <macpod> damn you keyboard
Apr 11 03:54:19 <romainguy_> you can align all the children to the bottom though
Apr 11 03:54:23 <romainguy_> but that's probably not what you want
Apr 11 03:54:51 <AakashPatel> yuk
Apr 11 03:54:58 <AakashPatel> red X's!!!
Apr 11 03:55:10 <ForteApache> hi all
Apr 11 03:55:25 <AakashPatel>  android:layout_alignParentBottom:="true"
Apr 11 03:55:34 <AakashPatel> okay...that has a red x next to it :-!!
Apr 11 03:56:47 <romainguy_> not :=
Apr 11 03:56:48 <romainguy_> =
Apr 11 03:56:49 <ForteApache> alguem aqui fala portugues?
Apr 11 03:56:52 <romainguy_> and it works in RelativeLayout only
Apr 11 03:57:02 <AakashPatel> er
Apr 11 03:58:37 <swR00T> which file includes the make target for host_tools?
Apr 11 03:58:38 <macpod> so android:gravity="bottom" should be used?
Apr 11 03:59:22 <macpod> Oh you had that :)
Apr 11 04:00:10 <AakashPatel> android:gravity="bottom"
Apr 11 04:00:12 <AakashPatel> dont work1
Apr 11 04:02:15 <macpod> swR00T, that's what I want to exist.. I don't think it does. tools does not work too. I tried.
Apr 11 04:03:17 <macpod> seems you can do sdk, user, userdebug, droid, clean, and dataclean.. all of which I have not tested.
Apr 11 04:03:29 <AakashPatel> so how am i sposed to make it go to the bottom again?
Apr 11 04:04:21 <morrildl__> who am
Apr 11 04:04:31 <morrildl__> who am I, even
Apr 11 04:04:39 <macpod> a ninja
Apr 11 04:04:45 <AakashPatel> prostitute
Apr 11 04:04:46 <morrildl__> I am quite sneaky.
Apr 11 04:04:53 <morrildl__> I am not a ho tho
Apr 11 04:05:05 <AakashPatel> lol rhymes
Apr 11 04:06:00 <AakashPatel> uh..how do i do the other layout again?
Apr 11 04:06:06 <AakashPatel> the one with keyboard out?
Apr 11 04:07:30 <AakashPatel> ??
Apr 11 04:09:27 <AakashPatel> >>>?>?
Apr 11 04:22:46 <morrildl> now who am I?
Apr 11 04:22:51 <morrildl> I am myself again
Apr 11 04:22:59 <morrildl> MACBOOK FAIL
Apr 11 04:47:39 <swR00T> i saw the code in git has a branch for cupcake, this is the 1.1 branch?
Apr 11 04:48:03 <AakashPatel> no
Apr 11 04:48:05 <AakashPatel> 1.5
Apr 11 04:48:31 <swR00T> okay, so which one is 1.1?
Apr 11 04:48:48 <swR00T> i want to follow the current released code
Apr 11 04:49:25 <AakashPatel> uhh i dont know
Apr 11 04:54:21 <jlapenna> I have two buttons, I'd like them to spread out evenly across the width of the display, equal in size. any pointers?
Apr 11 05:02:59 <swR00T> fastboot is communicating with the bootloader or the code inside the rom of the CPU?
Apr 11 05:03:41 <swR00T> if i use the fastboot to update the bootloader, if the power is cut during the updating, my phone will be brick?
Apr 11 05:05:37 <jlapenna> I'm using a table layout with each element width=0dip and weights equivelent
Apr 11 05:42:34 <swR00T> if the SPL is dead, can the recovery mode still be used?
Apr 11 07:37:59 <hever> Hi I think I'm going to flash my G1 (T-mobile UK Version) with the developer version. My question is: Is it possible to flash the dev version on a t-mobile G1 and will I have root access on it without these strange bug-based hacks ?
Apr 11 07:41:55 <hever> I'm asking because the official documentation says: "Additionally, you cannot flash these images to a retail devices such as the T-Mobile G1 because the images do not have the appropriate cryptographic signatures." And I think there could exist some workarounds...
Apr 11 07:42:12 <hever> (http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html)
Apr 11 07:45:51 <zinx> hever: yeah, you after you've utilized a bug you can flash loaders/firmware that gives you root and doesn't have bugs
Apr 11 07:46:50 <hever> zinx, does the developer version have root access by default ?
Apr 11 07:47:18 <zinx> yes
Apr 11 07:49:08 <hever> zinx, ok then I want it and the newest US dev android. (Actually I've a UK Version, that I'm using in germany and whyever I got an ugly german update...)
Apr 11 07:49:39 <hever> zinx, is it possible to install the dev version on a t-mobile one, as I told you above HTC said its not possible...
Apr 11 07:50:24 <zinx> it is possible, but it's not trivial to do
Apr 11 07:50:49 <zinx> and you will have to flash a bunch of stuff to get something that's really like a dev phone
Apr 11 07:51:08 <zinx> the bootloader in particular
Apr 11 07:51:52 <zinx> anyway, there are HOWTOs on how to do it
Apr 11 07:52:03 <hever> what's the difference between a dev and a standard version, perhaps I don't need the dev. Is the dev just a snapshot of the current ?
Apr 11 07:53:06 <hever> (I really want the latest US Version.)
Apr 11 07:53:51 <zinx> the dev version has dev firmware
Apr 11 07:53:55 <zinx> and isn't SIM locked
Apr 11 07:54:02 <zinx> that's pretty much it.
Apr 11 07:54:14 <zinx> apart from slightly different shade of black / battery cover design
Apr 11 07:54:17 <zinx> but those are cosmetic :/
Apr 11 07:55:18 <hever> My phone isn't sim-locked will it still be not locked after an update ? (As far as I understand it yes)
Apr 11 07:55:26 <hever> (Using a non-dev)
Apr 11 07:55:55 <zinx> yeah
Apr 11 07:56:03 <zinx> firmware doesn't control sim locking
Apr 11 07:57:21 <hever> and the dev-firmware having things like debugging symbols, etc or whats "dev" with the dev version ?
Apr 11 07:58:31 <hever> Is the root access in the latest android release enabled or do I need this dev version ?
Apr 11 07:59:04 <hever> I've this much questions to find out what I need before I'm looking how to realize it....
Apr 11 08:01:35 <zinx> what are you planning on doing, anyway
Apr 11 08:01:41 <zinx> you don't need a rooted device for application development
Apr 11 08:03:49 <hever> I'm going to install the (latest) US Version, because it has some features I want and fixes some bugs of my german version...
Apr 11 08:04:19 <hever> And I want root because I know I'll need it later, for example to use it as WLAN router, etc....
Apr 11 08:05:20 <hever> and testing around some things as root...
Apr 11 08:06:04 <zinx> well, there are plenty of HOWTOs
Apr 11 08:06:44 <zinx> and plenty of other people have asked exactly the questions you're asking and received answers, which are now published on the internet :/
Apr 11 08:06:49 <hever> yes. I had to figure out what the dev version is. Actually I'm still not sure...
Apr 11 08:07:17 <hever> Most of the root howtos are bug-based...
Apr 11 08:08:14 <zinx> all of them are
Apr 11 08:08:21 <zinx> there's a really good reason for that.
Apr 11 08:08:59 <zinx> your phone, as it comes, is locked down.  the only way you can get enough priviledges in the OS to unlock it is by exploiting bugs (in older versions, no less, as those bugs were closed)
Apr 11 08:09:19 <zinx> if you don't want to do that, then tough shit
Apr 11 08:10:58 <hever> yes you're right.
Apr 11 16:04:16 <abama> asterisk can run on android?
Apr 11 16:06:49 <abama> help, asterisk can run on android?
Apr 11 18:15:31 <ErnestoGuevara> Hi everyone, having a layout issue with LayoutLayout, hoping someone can suggest the best alternative
Apr 11 18:15:58 <ErnestoGuevara> i've got a tablerow with a textview and an edit text, for a standard-looking input form
Apr 11 18:16:34 <ErnestoGuevara> which looks great, but I want the textview to use less space, so I can fit more on the screen, so I've tried changing its text value of "Loan Amount" to "Loan\nAmount
Apr 11 18:16:36 <ErnestoGuevara> "
Apr 11 18:17:18 <ErnestoGuevara> And when I do that, it does use two lines, but the textview is no longer vertically aligned to the middle of the edittext to its right; instead it occupies the very bottom of the textview, so it looks a little off
Apr 11 18:17:29 <ErnestoGuevara> and the "gravity" setting seems to be ignored inside a tablerow
Apr 11 18:17:50 <ErnestoGuevara> does anyone know any tricks for this?  Or do I have to use a RelativeLayout instead?  Would that even do the trick?
Apr 11 18:20:12 <ErnestoGuevara> <TableRow><TextView android:layout_height="wrap_content" android:text="Loan\nAmount" android:textColor="#FFF" android:padding="5dip"/><EditText android:id="@+id/rates_loan_amount_entry" android:layout_height="wrap_content" android:padding="5dip" android:scrollHorizontally="true" android:numeric="integer" android:maxLength="7"/></TableRow>
Apr 11 18:29:31 <ErnestoGuevara> Looks like for tablerows, android vertically centers the first line and then puts any other lines beneath it without any vertical adjustments.  oh well
Apr 11 18:36:47 <ErnestoGuevara> oh, I think I got it
Apr 11 18:36:54 <ErnestoGuevara> layout_gravity instead of gravity
Apr 11 21:01:06 <svm_invictvs-> OH god
Apr 11 21:01:13 <svm_invictvs-> THe chatter in #android is just insipid
Apr 11 21:24:05 <ed__> hi everyone
Apr 11 21:25:01 <ed__> does anyone know an application that can modify .doc files on a g1 t-mobile with SO android?
Apr 11 23:36:25 <mib_dsjojk> so I actually did get ogg encoding to work on the phone, but obviously it is slow, since no floating point support in hardware
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