**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 17 02:59:57 2009
Apr 17 04:20:51 <tbr> ugh /kill yourself!
Apr 17 04:45:48 <mib_e92xfd3i> gf
Apr 17 06:18:07 <lucius> Hi, how can I check what are the enhancement went to the browser in cupcake branch
Apr 17 06:18:15 <lucius> I see http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/webkit.git;a=summary
Apr 17 06:18:48 <lucius> but i don't know how to navigate that page to find out what enhancement went to webkit to enhance scrolling
Apr 17 07:56:02 <Autarkis> Dude...
Apr 17 08:03:57 <uscheller> I have an Activity with a ScrollView including several EditText fields, TextViews, Spinners, etc... When I click on a Spinner, the ScrollView always focuses the active EditText field. That means a user can scroll down to some Spinner, but whenever he clicks on it, the Activity scrolls somewhere else.
Apr 17 08:04:04 <uscheller> How can I get rid of this behaviour?
Apr 17 09:52:46 <bilboed-pi> nealmcb, can you get your act together ? And if you're testing... do it elsewhere !
Apr 17 09:52:48 <bilboed-pi> nealmcb, can you get your act together ? And if you're testing... do it elsewhere !
Apr 17 09:55:46 <zeroXten> nice
Apr 17 09:56:14 * zeroXten changes windows quickly
Apr 17 11:53:23 <cdan> hi there
Apr 17 11:54:28 <carnegie1> hi
Apr 17 12:02:06 <Plagman> is anyone trying to get X running on the G1?
Apr 17 12:15:43 <jaarts> sure
Apr 17 12:16:06 <jaarts> no problem
Apr 17 12:16:19 <Plagman> oh?
Apr 17 12:16:43 <jaarts> sorry never mind
Apr 17 12:16:43 <Plagman> I'm talking about the real deal, not Xvnc
Apr 17 12:16:46 <Plagman> ah
Apr 17 12:39:51 <fatmike> anyone active in here?
Apr 17 12:39:58 <carnegie1> yep
Apr 17 12:40:00 <Plagman> meh
Apr 17 12:40:20 <fatmike> ah i see
Apr 17 12:40:28 <fatmike> just wann watch the android dev crew
Apr 17 12:40:35 <fatmike> but nooin is chatting ...
Apr 17 13:11:20 <cdan> I am wondering if it is possible to cache some Google Maps tiles for using when the device is disconnected
Apr 17 13:11:31 <jbq> cdan: it's not :(
Apr 17 13:11:37 <cdan> Say the tiles for a city or something
Apr 17 13:11:55 <jbq> (that'd fall beyond the terms of service for Maps)
Apr 17 13:12:05 <cdan> hmmmm, right
Apr 17 13:35:18 <zhobbs_> anyone know if LiveFolders have the ability to handle slow content providers?
Apr 17 13:35:24 <zhobbs_> or if they'll just block and ANR?
Apr 17 13:44:49 <jbq> That'd really be a question for romainguy... who's on vacation. But I guess it shouldn't be hard to put a 10-second sleep in your provider and see what happens.
Apr 17 13:45:36 <jbq> (of course, the ultimate answer is "check the source code", but *ahem* it's an "infinite-free-time" answer)
Apr 17 13:45:43 <ziyourenxiang> so do you european goog's also disappear from jul to sep for the summer vacation?
Apr 17 13:46:15 * jbq typically stays in Mountain View, CA and works through the summer.
Apr 17 13:46:41 <jbq> (OK, I might take a few days off and fly to a cousin's wedding in France, but that's it).
Apr 17 13:46:48 <ziyourenxiang> oh ok, i tot you're based in france... only caught part of the conversation as it scrolled past
Apr 17 13:47:13 <jbq> Heh - I'm French, but I work in silicon valley.
Apr 17 13:48:14 <ziyourenxiang> touche
Apr 17 13:48:20 <ziyourenxiang> if that's the right thing to say :-)
Apr 17 13:49:03 <jbq> I think that might be more common in English than in modern French, actually ;-)
Apr 17 13:49:17 <bilboed-pi> man... I'm contemplating unsubscribing from android-platform
Apr 17 13:49:30 <bilboed-pi> 33% mail, 33% useless questions, 33% useless answers
Apr 17 13:49:33 <bilboed-pi> s/mail/spam/
Apr 17 13:50:06 <jbq> please hang around for a bit more, we're going to try to improve that (starting with the spam).
Apr 17 13:50:32 <bilboed-pi> sweet, it'll then become 50% useless questions and 50% useless answers :)
Apr 17 13:50:45 <jbq> we also have a plan for that :)
Apr 17 13:50:48 <loglaunch> Whats the best way to pass a Bitmap between Activity's?
Apr 17 13:51:10 <zhobbs_> Bitmap is parceable, so extras would work
Apr 17 13:51:32 <loglaunch> even though it might be a large Bitmap?
Apr 17 13:52:14 <zhobbs_> don't know, you might have to save it and just pass a path if it's too large
Apr 17 13:52:27 <loglaunch> hmm
Apr 17 14:32:40 <uscheller> I am playing around with the exerciser monkey and it already found me several bugs. However, it always crashes after some time with this error: java.lang.SecurityException: StatusBarService: Neither user 2000 nor current process has android.permission.EXPAND_STATUS_BAR.
Apr 17 14:32:40 <uscheller>  
Apr 17 14:33:38 <uscheller> does anyone know where it comes from, or how to prevent it?
Apr 17 14:34:19 <uscheller> http://rafb.net/p/8EFP8L15.html
Apr 17 17:25:08 <mib_t62fql4w> Hello
Apr 17 17:25:11 <mib_t62fql4w>  SyncConfigMgr configMgr = new SyncConfigMgr(mContext);         if(!configMgr.deviceIsRoaming())
Apr 17 17:25:30 <mib_t62fql4w> Does anyone know if configMgr.deviceIsRoaming() may hang?
Apr 17 17:25:38 <mib_t62fql4w> for any length of time?
Apr 17 17:26:11 <mib_t62fql4w> For example when the device is an a marginal area switching between roaming and on network?
Apr 17 17:27:06 <mib_t62fql4w> any help would be appreciated.
Apr 17 17:30:15 <mib_t62fql4w> No takers again?
Apr 17 18:20:15 <ctate> what's SyncConfigMgr?
Apr 17 18:23:30 <zhobbs> yeah, I've never heard of that either
Apr 17 18:24:06 <ctate> mib_t62fql4w: you around?
Apr 17 18:45:07 <chouman82> anyone familiar with how android handles memory in ActivityGroup?
Apr 17 19:01:37 <emmby> question about ListView.  I have a ListView in a custom activity (Based on MapActivity, not based on ListActivity).  Seems to generally work fine.  I can scroll around the ListView using the scroll wheel, but whenever I scroll to the top of the list view, my focus disappears and I can't scroll around anymore
Apr 17 19:02:28 <emmby> I can't figure out where my focus is disappearing to, if that's really what's happening
Apr 17 19:06:30 <emmby> scrolling off the bottom doesn't cause a problem, just the top.  i do have a header view up there, but its android:focusable is set to false
Apr 17 19:17:25 <emmby> hm, if i click anywhere on screen not in that view (eg. on a different view), that view becomes focusable again and i can scroll around
Apr 17 19:19:56 <herriojr> hey, so if I directly query my database (not through a content provider), and I stick the Cursor in a CursorAdapter, but the view isn't refreshing when the data in the database changes....how do I inform my cursor of changes?
Apr 17 19:20:15 <herriojr> so that it requeries
Apr 17 19:21:05 <emmby> adapter.notifyDataSetChanged(), I believe
Apr 17 19:21:13 <emmby> may need to be done in a handler
Apr 17 19:21:16 <herriojr> yes, but I can't keep a static reference around
Apr 17 19:21:31 <herriojr> I was curious as to how the ContentProvider system does it
Apr 17 19:22:30 <herriojr> the data is being updated from a receiver
Apr 17 19:23:06 <emmby> you're saying you can't keep a reference to the adapter?  why?
Apr 17 19:23:31 <herriojr> emmby: so, the adapter keeps references to views, so I can't otherwise I'll leak
Apr 17 19:24:23 <herriojr> and I don't feel like leaking the Context
Apr 17 19:24:43 <herriojr> ;)
Apr 17 19:25:34 <emmby> the adapter has a reference to the views but not the other way around?  hm, that seems unusual
Apr 17 19:27:10 <herriojr> I wouldn't say it is unusual, look at how the CursorAdapter works, it keeps a list of views around so it doesn't have to reinflate
Apr 17 19:28:04 <emmby> ic.  i was thinking the parent view
Apr 17 19:29:00 <herriojr> anyways, I'll figure it out, I just wanted to see if anyone else has gone through this
Apr 17 19:29:14 <emmby> sorry, wish i had something more insightful to contribute
Apr 17 19:29:15 <herriojr> so I could spend less time on it :)
Apr 17 19:29:30 <herriojr> emmby: no problem, thanks for the help
Apr 17 19:39:30 <ChristieEnglish_> Has Anyone gotten ADT 0.9 to work right and automatically launch an AVD fot the 1.5 SDK
Apr 17 19:39:56 <ChristieEnglish_> I am developing on Windows XP
Apr 17 19:41:10 <jt436> ChristieEnglish_ I had the same issue on OS X
Apr 17 19:41:27 <zhobbs> works in linux
Apr 17 19:41:42 <ChristieEnglish_> The error I am getting is:  Failed to find an AVD compatible with target 'Google APIs'. Launch aborted.
Apr 17 19:42:11 <jt436> I get Failed to find an AVD compatible with target 'Android 1.5'. Launch aborted.
Apr 17 19:42:29 <zhobbs> jt436: and it showed up in "android list avd"?
Apr 17 19:42:34 <zhobbs> target 3
Apr 17 19:43:04 <jt436> I didn't need any 1.5 features so I just reverted back and didn't bother to look into it
Apr 17 19:43:11 <freat> yeah you to create an AVD
Apr 17 19:43:20 <zhobbs> ChristieEnglish_: what's the output of "android list avd"?
Apr 17 19:43:54 <freat> if you're using Eclipse you should see the AVD in your run configuration
Apr 17 19:44:15 <zhobbs> no way to create them in eclipse though (that I saw)
Apr 17 19:44:26 <freat> search for the error in the android-dev group. the solution was just posted yesterday or the day before
Apr 17 19:44:38 <freat> yes you have to create them at the command line
Apr 17 19:46:25 <jt436> http://developer.android.com/sdk/preview/#avd
Apr 17 19:46:36 <ChristieEnglish_> This is what I have so far:
Apr 17 19:46:38 <ChristieEnglish_> Available Android Virtual Devices:
Apr 17 19:46:39 <ChristieEnglish_>     Name: CupcakeVM
Apr 17 19:46:41 <ChristieEnglish_>     Path: C:\Documents and Settings\ChristieEnglish\.android\avd\CupcakeVM.avd
Apr 17 19:46:43 <ChristieEnglish_>   Target: Android 1.5 (API level 3)
Apr 17 19:46:45 <ChristieEnglish_>     Skin: HVGA
Apr 17 19:46:46 <ChristieEnglish_> ---------
Apr 17 19:46:48 <ChristieEnglish_>     Name: NormalVM
Apr 17 19:46:50 <ChristieEnglish_>     Path: C:\Documents and Settings\ChristieEnglish\.android\avd\NormalVM.avd
Apr 17 19:46:52 <ChristieEnglish_>   Target: Android 1.1 (API level 2)
Apr 17 19:46:53 <ChristieEnglish_>     Skin: HVGA
Apr 17 19:48:34 <jt436> You need to create a avd with target 3
Apr 17 19:48:43 <jt436> If you want to use Google APIs
Apr 17 19:52:08 <ChristieEnglish_> OK It launched the Android Emulator...
Apr 17 19:53:26 <jt436> :)
Apr 17 19:57:57 <ChristieEnglish_> Thanks.  The app ran, but dying for other issues so I will chec
Apr 17 19:57:59 <ChristieEnglish_> k out what is wrong  Thanks.
Apr 17 20:09:19 <emmby> okay, I've now gone in and overriden onFocusChanged for every other view in my layout, and NONE of them are stealing the focus away from my ListView.  But my ListView's onFocusChanged(false,0,null) is definitely being called, so the focus is going SOMEWHERE
Apr 17 20:09:47 <emmby> w(here)tf can it be going?
Apr 17 20:13:44 <zhobbs_> emmby: to the children of the ListView
Apr 17 20:13:57 <emmby> oooooooh
Apr 17 20:16:59 <emmby> zhobbs, it still happens even if i call listView.setItemsCanFocus(false).  Shouldn't that prevent it?
Apr 17 20:17:33 <emmby> er, zhobbs_ rather
Apr 17 20:18:02 <zhobbs_> no
Apr 17 20:18:34 <zhobbs_> looking at the docs, I interperet that method to control whether items within each row can be focused (individual buttons in the rows, etc)
Apr 17 20:19:28 <zhobbs_> try overriding isEnabled() to return false for all positions in the adapter
Apr 17 20:19:32 <zhobbs_> that might do it
Apr 17 20:19:54 <zhobbs_> or setFocusable(false) on the View's in your ListView
Apr 17 20:21:08 <ctate> hmm.  are you certain that there is always something that "has" focus?  if the user is touching the screen and scrolling around, for example.
Apr 17 20:21:22 <zhobbs_> that's true too
Apr 17 20:21:41 <zhobbs_> yeah, what are you trying to achieve?
Apr 17 20:22:44 <emmby> well, i just want a listview that acts like a "normal" listview.  I want to be able to scroll up and down using the wheel like i can with a normal list view.
Apr 17 20:23:08 <emmby> in fact, it actually is a normal listview, it's just i'm not using listactivity since my activity has to extend MapActivity
Apr 17 20:23:19 <zhobbs_> emmby: that shouldn't matter
Apr 17 20:23:34 <emmby> and for some reason, that one change seems to make my focus disappear when i scroll off the top of the list
Apr 17 20:24:11 <emmby> or perhaps it's something else causing it.  BTW calling setFocusable(false) on all the children doesn't seem to help.  good idea though
Apr 17 20:24:46 <zhobbs_> emmby: maybe consider trying setNextFocusUp()
Apr 17 20:24:58 <zhobbs_> to itself
Apr 17 20:25:34 <zhobbs_> (or in xml android:nextFocusUp="@id/my_id")
Apr 17 20:27:05 <emmby> success!
Apr 17 20:27:19 <zhobbs_> :)
Apr 17 20:27:26 <emmby> android:nextFocusUp did the trick.  wonder why...
Apr 17 20:27:40 <emmby> thanks!
Apr 17 20:27:55 <zhobbs_> that specifies the next view to focus when leaving the view upwards
Apr 17 20:28:12 <ctate> that is exactly what it's for, yes
Apr 17 20:28:14 <emmby> right.  But seems weird since I don't normally have to specify that for listviews
Apr 17 20:28:51 <emmby> does that stuff get reset when I call setVisibility( GONE|VISIBLE )?
Apr 17 20:30:02 <zhobbs_> emmby: should act the same, probably not an issue because most ListViews take up the whole screen
Apr 17 20:30:38 <zhobbs_> not suually an issue*
Apr 17 20:30:43 <zhobbs_> usually*
Apr 17 20:30:45 <zhobbs_> whatever...
Apr 17 20:30:47 <emmby> **
Apr 17 20:31:45 <emmby> yeah, interesting.  the other possibility is that it gets lost because my listview has android:visibility="gone", so maybe it doesn't get wired up properly on create.  Also not usually an issue
Apr 17 20:38:04 <ctate> gone daddy gone, the list is gone
Apr 17 20:38:45 <zhobbs_> that would be a hit
Apr 17 20:39:43 <ctate> heh
Apr 17 21:20:50 <emmby> lol belated
Apr 17 22:39:08 <iPhonePiePhone> hey androiders
Apr 17 22:39:20 <iPhonePiePhone> hows the catchup with Apple coming along?
Apr 17 22:39:41 * emmby detects baiting
Apr 17 22:39:48 <warewolf> yeah, shoo.  Shoo fly.
Apr 17 22:39:54 <jlapenna> mmmm /ignore
Apr 17 22:40:00 <iPhonePiePhone> I'm just asking
Apr 17 22:40:05 <iPhonePiePhone> not baiting
Apr 17 22:40:06 <warewolf> no, you're trolling.
Apr 17 22:40:09 <warewolf> go away.
Apr 17 22:40:09 <iPhonePiePhone> serious
Apr 17 22:40:13 <iPhonePiePhone> no Im asking
Apr 17 22:40:19 <warewolf> again, no, you're trolling.
Apr 17 22:40:25 <iPhonePiePhone> again NO im not
Apr 17 22:40:31 <Acrion> Is there any way to get access to classes such as android.provider.Telephony.Sms in my project?
Apr 17 22:40:37 <iPhonePiePhone> I wanna develop Apps for it
Apr 17 22:40:44 <warewolf> 18:40 Ignoring ALL from iPhonePiePhone
Apr 17 22:40:47 <warewolf> that took care of that.
Apr 17 22:40:54 <iPhonePiePhone> wtf?!
Apr 17 22:41:04 <iPhonePiePhone> :(
Apr 17 22:41:32 <iPhonePiePhone> I just wanna ask if you guys can tell me how much easier it is to use the G1/G2 sdk than Xcode
Apr 17 22:41:34 <Azalar> begone you closed platform phone
Apr 17 22:41:39 <iPhonePiePhone> rofl
Apr 17 22:41:40 <iPhonePiePhone> shhh
Apr 17 22:41:45 <Azalar> :)
Apr 17 22:41:46 <iPhonePiePhone> I dont care about open or closed
Apr 17 22:41:51 <iPhonePiePhone> I wann dev apps!!!
Apr 17 22:42:04 <iPhonePiePhone> now, are you gonna be nice to me or wat
Apr 17 22:42:07 <emmby> personally, I find Xcode easier.  But I really hate eclipse
Apr 17 22:42:09 <iPhonePiePhone> Im a dev not a troll
Apr 17 22:42:13 <Azalar> never used xcode so can't compare how it easy to it is
Apr 17 22:42:24 <iPhonePiePhone> well Im sure for android its a pita
Apr 17 22:42:26 <iPhonePiePhone> :P
Apr 17 22:42:38 <iPhonePiePhone> anyone here know Objective C??
Apr 17 22:42:47 <emmby> i've always used intellij before and am finding the switch to eclipse to be quite painful
Apr 17 22:42:57 <iPhonePiePhone> eclipse - UGH
Apr 17 22:42:59 <Azalar> does xcode have very pretty debugging code :p
Apr 17 22:43:01 <iPhonePiePhone> never did like it
Apr 17 22:43:14 <Azalar> does it animate the trace code
Apr 17 22:43:16 <iPhonePiePhone> Xcode is very easy to use
Apr 17 22:43:16 <warewolf> for the record, coming in and asking "how's the catch up" infers that the iPhone is a superior device.
Apr 17 22:43:21 <iPhonePiePhone> why would u want that
Apr 17 22:43:21 <warewolf> and that's why it's trolling.
Apr 17 22:43:38 <iPhonePiePhone> dude - I implied that do you feel as if youre playing catchup!
Apr 17 22:43:46 <iPhonePiePhone> I mean... I meant that as a Q
Apr 17 22:43:48 <emmby> ANYway...
Apr 17 22:44:08 <emmby> let's all be friends.  iPhonePiePhone, what did you want to know?
Apr 17 22:44:09 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: Eclipse is delightful, after using a few different dev platforms.
Apr 17 22:44:26 <iPhonePiePhone> the lesser of evils?
Apr 17 22:44:46 <vol> It has some features I haven't seen elsewhere, like skipping to another section of code, and being able to press alt-back to skip back to where you were
Apr 17 22:44:51 <iPhonePiePhone> I just wanna know what benefits can be had to developing apps for android
Apr 17 22:44:57 <vol> in addition to a recursive "what is this function called by" method
Apr 17 22:44:58 <iPhonePiePhone> and can money be made?
Apr 17 22:45:05 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: The market lets you sell apps for mopney
Apr 17 22:45:06 <vol> *money
Apr 17 22:45:12 <vol> whether you make any depends on the audience and your app
Apr 17 22:45:21 <iPhonePiePhone> and how do you stop people crashing your phone
Apr 17 22:45:21 <vol> you could be the next great fart app!
Apr 17 22:45:24 <iPhonePiePhone> no ta
Apr 17 22:45:26 <iPhonePiePhone> :)
Apr 17 22:45:39 <emmby> iPhonePiePhone - the benefits are greater distribution, the disadvantages are supporting another platform
Apr 17 22:45:51 <iPhonePiePhone> greater compared to??
Apr 17 22:46:03 <iPhonePiePhone> I know NO android owners
Apr 17 22:46:14 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: I know a couple.
Apr 17 22:46:17 <emmby> according to google, android now has the second largest mobile browser footprint next to iphone, but IMO it still feels pretty small
Apr 17 22:46:20 <iPhonePiePhone> I know LOTS of iPhone/iPod touch users and I live in UK!
Apr 17 22:46:38 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: Seriously, if you're just trolling, leave. If you have real questions to ask, ask.
Apr 17 22:46:46 <iPhonePiePhone> I am asking!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 17 22:46:48 <wmoxam> iPhonePiePhone: there's also a *lot* more competition on the iPhone platform
Apr 17 22:46:51 <iPhonePiePhone> sheesh chill
Apr 17 22:46:55 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: When did you stop beating your wife?
Apr 17 22:47:02 <iPhonePiePhone> vol - shush
Apr 17 22:47:02 <emmby> yeah i agree, i don't know very many yet.  the market is still fairly small, but it has potential to grow faster than any of the other platforms excluding iphone
Apr 17 22:47:05 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: How much of your iphone went to pay for steve jobs sweaters
Apr 17 22:47:12 <iPhonePiePhone> vol - shush
Apr 17 22:47:18 <wmoxam> iPhone is more mature market for sure though ... it's been out longer
Apr 17 22:47:31 <emmby> we'll see about palm pre soon
Apr 17 22:47:36 <iPhonePiePhone> ROFL
Apr 17 22:47:38 <iPhonePiePhone> palm pre
Apr 17 22:47:48 <iPhonePiePhone> 'iPhone Killer' ?
Apr 17 22:47:52 <biafra_> emmby: sorry for beeing late. why don't you use Intellij for Android development? I do?
Apr 17 22:47:54 <jlapenna> This is off topic, please go to #android
Apr 17 22:47:56 <emmby> but if you're looking to expand beyond iphone, android and blackberry seem like the next best bet
Apr 17 22:47:56 <iPhonePiePhone> that statement males me laff
Apr 17 22:47:59 <iPhonePiePhone> makes*
Apr 17 22:48:07 <biafra_> aeh. I do!
Apr 17 22:48:22 <iPhonePiePhone> if these people dont see iPhone as a threat - why do they wanna "kill" it :/
Apr 17 22:48:30 <wmoxam> Blackberry dev tools were a bit lame last time I looked
Apr 17 22:48:34 <iPhonePiePhone> surely it takes ONE to murder another one?
Apr 17 22:48:44 <iPhonePiePhone> all these killers, and no death :P
Apr 17 22:48:50 <vol> blackberry dev tools were horrible to use
Apr 17 22:48:59 <emmby> biafra_: didn't want to confuse myself learning too many non-standard things at once.  intellij's been working pretty well for you?  How do you build?  on the cmd line?
Apr 17 22:49:03 <iPhonePiePhone> so how do you guys stop malware on the device??
Apr 17 22:49:06 <vol> emmby: you use ant
Apr 17 22:49:14 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: you uninstall it.
Apr 17 22:49:15 <biafra_> emmby: I use maven to build
Apr 17 22:49:21 <emmby> ic
Apr 17 22:49:22 <biafra_> from inside intellij
Apr 17 22:49:25 <iPhonePiePhone> I mean how do you prevent sudo rm / -rf
Apr 17 22:49:29 <emmby> yeah, maybe i'll give it a try
Apr 17 22:49:36 <vol> no root access unless the phone is rooted
Apr 17 22:49:38 <wmoxam> iPhonePiePhone: consumers don't have sudo
Apr 17 22:49:40 <Azalar> there isnt a shell
Apr 17 22:49:43 <vol> rooted phones prompt whether you want to provide root access to the app
Apr 17 22:49:46 <biafra_> emmby:  maven support is really good in intellij
Apr 17 22:49:47 <iPhonePiePhone> NO mate, how do you PREVENT it being even installed
Apr 17 22:49:59 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: I don't know, how do you prevent it on the iphone?
Apr 17 22:50:08 <iPhonePiePhone> if it's man made, its man breakable
Apr 17 22:50:11 <biafra_> .oO( compared to eclipse and netbeans )
Apr 17 22:50:18 <iPhonePiePhone> there's a screening process
Apr 17 22:50:22 <iPhonePiePhone> of course u know this?
Apr 17 22:50:29 <iPhonePiePhone> you submit the app for approval
Apr 17 22:50:32 <vol> Of course you do too
Apr 17 22:50:36 <iPhonePiePhone> ??
Apr 17 22:50:40 <vol> You should also know that standard apps don't run with root privs?
Apr 17 22:50:41 <biafra_> .oO( how do I ignore someone? )
Apr 17 22:50:43 <vol> and can't request root privs?
Apr 17 22:50:46 <vol> biafra_: /ignore username
Apr 17 22:50:57 <iPhonePiePhone> dont talk to them :P :D
Apr 17 22:50:57 <biafra_> vol: thanks
Apr 17 22:51:24 <Azalar> the good thing about iphone, is they make good door stops
Apr 17 22:51:43 <vol> seriously, there's no malware problem for android, and if an app were malware that is what killbits are for.
Apr 17 22:51:44 <iPhonePiePhone> who's to say that someone has thought of a way to bypass sudo checks and just do what they want? software isnt magic
Apr 17 22:51:48 <vol> Enjoy your 4 month approval process.
Apr 17 22:51:55 <emmby> oy seriously, can we take the "my phone is better than your phone" discussion to #android?
Apr 17 22:52:19 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: Who says that an app that was APPROVED doesn't have a 1 year time bomb hidden inside to deploy malware?
Apr 17 22:52:22 <iPhonePiePhone> Im not saying its BETTER
Apr 17 22:52:37 <iPhonePiePhone> yeah it could - whats the chances?
Apr 17 22:52:41 <wmoxam> iPhonePiePhone: how do you prevent malware on your Mac?
Apr 17 22:52:46 <iPhonePiePhone> I dont
Apr 17 22:52:49 <iPhonePiePhone> :)
Apr 17 22:52:50 <wmoxam> or Linux PC?
Apr 17 22:52:54 <wmoxam> etc, etc
Apr 17 22:53:03 <iPhonePiePhone> Linux? u kidding me? ughhh
Apr 17 22:53:08 <iPhonePiePhone> please no
Apr 17 22:53:10 <iPhonePiePhone> :D
Apr 17 22:53:19 <iPhonePiePhone> tox-ux
Apr 17 22:53:20 <wmoxam> iPhonePiePhone: wat
Apr 17 22:53:21 <iPhonePiePhone> oops
Apr 17 22:53:27 <iPhonePiePhone> Linux - TOY-ux
Apr 17 22:53:27 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: If your app is rejected from the app store, how do you tell what for?
Apr 17 22:53:32 <vol> I mean, you know, like 4 months after you submit it
Apr 17 22:53:33 <iPhonePiePhone> how do I know?!
Apr 17 22:53:37 <wmoxam> iPhonePiePhone: lol, troll
Apr 17 22:53:53 <vol> because your corners weren't round enough or something, maybe
Apr 17 22:53:54 <biafra_> iPhonePiePhone: and how do you distribute it if its rejected?
Apr 17 22:54:16 <vol> still lollin at suggesting malware for android
Apr 17 22:54:26 <iPhonePiePhone> so if android is as good as Im sure it is, why you slagging off the iPhone? I didnt slag off android! ;)
Apr 17 22:54:28 <wmoxam> iPhonePiePhone: so you use XServes when you need a server platform?
Apr 17 22:54:32 <wmoxam> or do you use a toy?
Apr 17 22:54:34 <wmoxam> ;)
Apr 17 22:54:43 <vol> iPhonePiePhone: I'm not slagging the same way you're not
Apr 17 22:54:47 <iPhonePiePhone> makes me think you feel the threat of great things
Apr 17 22:54:49 <vol> I'm asking SERIOUS QUESTIONS
Apr 17 22:55:01 <iPhonePiePhone> in an AGRESSIVE way <----
Apr 17 22:55:04 <wmoxam> ok dudes, stop feeding the troll
Apr 17 22:55:10 <vol> yeah this is getting pretty old
Apr 17 22:55:10 <iPhonePiePhone> Im not a troll
Apr 17 22:55:13 <wmoxam> trolls like to eat
Apr 17 22:55:22 <wmoxam> :D
Apr 17 22:55:31 <biafra_> vol: thanks
Apr 17 22:55:37 <vol> no problem
Apr 17 22:56:23 <biafra_> .oO( mybe I should go over to #iphone and see how long I last there... )
Apr 17 22:56:26 <vol> Isn't there a mode you can set on someone that makes them unable to speak?
Apr 17 22:56:29 <biafra_> :-)
Apr 17 22:56:44 <Azalar> yeah +m isnt it?
Apr 17 22:56:52 <Azalar> moderate
Apr 17 22:56:53 <vol> no, that's for the whole channel, or can you set that per person?
Apr 17 22:56:59 <Azalar> hmm i forget
Apr 17 22:57:19 <Azalar> I think you moderate the whole channel and then give anyone you want to speak voic
Apr 17 22:57:20 <Azalar> e
Apr 17 22:57:29 <vol> no, there's some funky freenode specific thing
Apr 17 22:57:33 <Azalar> more hassle than its worth for 1 troll
Apr 17 22:57:34 <vol> that lets you squelch someone
Apr 17 22:57:36 <vol> yeah that's what it was called
Apr 17 22:57:41 <Azalar> ah dunno
Apr 17 22:58:50 <vol> ah, +q
Apr 17 22:58:52 <vol> for quiet user
Apr 17 22:59:16 <vol> meh.
Apr 17 22:59:28 <Azalar> why dont you unban the troll, the invite back, +quiet and we can taunt the troll
Apr 17 22:59:42 <wmoxam> nah
Apr 17 22:59:43 <vol> nah
Apr 17 22:59:46 <Azalar> heh
Apr 17 22:59:48 <wmoxam> trolls invite other trolls
Apr 17 22:59:53 <vol> I'll just remember for the future
Apr 17 22:59:56 <Azalar> good point
Apr 17 23:03:54 <ClicketyBoom> helllllllllllllllooooooooooooo
Apr 17 23:04:09 <ClicketyBoom> hey can some1 tell me is android Java
Apr 17 23:04:09 <vol> speaking of which
Apr 17 23:04:16 <vol> Fire away Azalar
Apr 17 23:05:02 <vol> awww
Apr 17 23:07:37 <AakashPatel> \"params\": [\"patel\",\"da14d6157acdc7ce8045245fa3b838df\",\"name\"]}
Apr 17 23:07:57 <AakashPatel> is that the wrong way to make an array?
Apr 17 23:08:21 <vol> what is this, json?
Apr 17 23:08:32 <AakashPatel> yeah
Apr 17 23:08:44 <vol> I think that's right>?
Apr 17 23:08:57 <AakashPatel> hmm...okay
Apr 17 23:20:22 <Azalar> aww went afk and missed the fun
Apr 17 23:21:42 <vol> too bad
Apr 17 23:22:33 <emmby> golly, did i miss it all?
Apr 17 23:43:34 <AakashPatel> and array inside of an array... [{"test"],["test"]]
Apr 17 23:43:43 <AakashPatel> {/[
Apr 17 23:43:48 <AakashPatel> is that right?
Apr 17 23:43:54 <michael__> Does anyone know why android.graphics.OpenGLContext doesn't exist in the SDK
Apr 17 23:45:46 <ctate> michael__: because it was not considered ready to be made a permanent part of the platform, i assume.
Apr 17 23:46:14 <ctate> it is not in Cupcake at all, for example.
Apr 17 23:46:32 <michael__> yeah, I noticed.  what is the direction that an opengl programmer should go to develop on the android market then?
Apr 17 23:47:16 <ctate> things in the public API set.  i am not really up on what's in that category.
Apr 17 23:47:53 <ctate> i see that there are a lot of things called GL*
Apr 17 23:48:04 <ctate> for example
Apr 17 23:48:26 <michael__> yeah, I was seeing that most tutorials use it and I was just wondering if I was missing something.  I'll look at the code.android stuff
Apr 17 23:48:32 <ctate> basically, see http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/opengl.html
Apr 17 23:48:57 <ctate> which points to our sample code
Apr 17 23:49:34 <michael__> yeah, I found it now.  Thanks :-D
Apr 18 00:15:02 <AakashPatel> i have this RPC method
Apr 18 00:15:03 <AakashPatel> http://pastebin.com/m16ad192
Apr 18 00:15:39 <AakashPatel> {\"jsonrpc\": \"2.0\", \"method\": \"contacts.search\", \"params\": [[\"patel\"],[\"da14d6157acdc7ce8045245fa3b838df\"],[\"name\"]]}
Apr 18 00:15:52 <AakashPatel> that is how i call it...is that right?
Apr 18 01:42:53 <coolbho3k> how can such a populated irc be so dead?
Apr 18 01:43:26 <AakashPatel> coolbho3k: idk lol
Apr 18 01:43:33 <emmby> we're all bots
Apr 18 01:43:41 <emmby> you're not?
Apr 18 01:44:01 <coolbho3k> I'm an Android
Apr 18 01:44:28 <AakashPatel> I'm an Android
Apr 18 01:44:38 <AakashPatel> ERROR: COMMAND NOT FOUND
Apr 18 01:55:33 <svm_invictvs> and apk is just a zip file?
Apr 18 01:55:36 <svm_invictvs> correct?
Apr 18 01:56:14 <AakashPatel> i think
Apr 18 01:56:17 <AakashPatel> not sure
Apr 18 02:08:10 <coolbho3k> open it as a zip
Apr 18 02:08:12 <coolbho3k> it works
Apr 18 02:12:39 <AakashPatel> oh nice
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