**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 28 02:59:58 2009
May 28 03:03:35 <sammyF> ttuttle: it's already on its way :)
May 28 03:22:12 <sammyF> I guess I should fix the probability of T's too
May 28 03:34:53 <rayz24_> clear
May 28 03:37:03 * wmealing_ gets the heart paddles on rayz24_ 
May 28 03:40:00 <rayz24_> lol
May 28 04:19:25 <skyPhyr> anyone happen to recall how to put 's in a values xml file? I tried escaping and it all just goes horribly wrong then
May 28 04:21:38 <sammyF> skyPhyr: completely out of the blue : tried the html escape stuff?
May 28 04:21:48 <sammyF> hmm .. not there is one for ' ...
May 28 04:21:50 <sammyF> forget I talked
May 28 04:21:59 * sammyF goes back in his hole
May 28 04:22:08 <skyPhyr> oh bugger - I was hoping that was it :) thanks anyway sammyF
May 28 04:23:22 <sammyF> I love those Eclipse console errors
May 28 04:23:25 <skyPhyr> seems unicode encoding is the answer. #fail :(
May 28 04:23:38 <skyPhyr> still better than not working at all http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/5a0a5da1d416bd40/df7e3e890618f6ed?lnk=gst&q=xml+values+apostrophe#df7e3e890618f6ed
May 28 04:24:57 <skyPhyr> no dice with that either
May 28 04:25:00 <sammyF> skyPhyr: you wouldn't, by chance, be a Java Thread expert, would you ?
May 28 04:25:27 <skyPhyr> afraid not, but I'm always happy to take a guess completely breaking someone else's code
May 28 04:28:52 <sammyF> skyPhyr: how would you go about to make sure whatever you invoked in a Thread.run ends before Thread.run is invoked again?
May 28 04:29:57 <skyPhyr> using a mutex?
May 28 04:31:38 <sammyF> ooooookkaayyy
May 28 04:31:49 <sammyF> what's a mutex? ;)
May 28 04:32:33 <wmealing_> a locking mechanism
May 28 04:33:09 <wmealing_> operations done on a mutex are atomic, or should be.
May 28 04:33:09 <kc8pxy> sammyF:  TO MAKE SURE NO MORE THAN ONE HAND IS USING A RESOURCE.
May 28 04:33:13 <kc8pxy> gar..  sorry caps
May 28 04:33:44 <wmealing_> so you use a "mutex"  (mutual exclusion i think) to guarantee that only one thread is in the "critical" section of code at a time
May 28 04:34:05 <sammyF> wmealing: so basically using a flag?
May 28 04:34:25 <wmealing_> its a special kind though
May 28 04:34:45 <wmealing_> there are textbooks written on mutex locking, i assure you its very dry and boring
May 28 04:35:21 <sammyF> wmealing: and Java has a special implementation of mutual exculsions for threads?
May 28 04:35:33 <wmealing_> i'd assume so
May 28 04:35:40 <wmealing_> it would be crazytown not to
May 28 04:36:01 <sammyF> wmealing: skyPhyr: kc8pxy: thanks... off to google :)
May 28 04:36:42 <wmealing_> may the force be with you
May 28 04:36:58 <skyPhyr> this special charactes in xml values sucks
May 28 04:37:08 <skyPhyr> nothing works
May 28 04:37:39 <skyPhyr> putting it directly, escaping it, putting it as a html with name, putting it html style by number
May 28 04:37:59 <skyPhyr> I have a lame solution I don't really want to use
May 28 04:38:19 <skyPhyr> seeing I'm already doing substitution on this string, I could just make the apostrophe a substitution too
May 28 04:38:34 <sammyF> skyphyr s/%APOST/\'s/g ?
May 28 04:38:47 <sammyF> ;)
May 28 04:39:16 <skyPhyr> \' worked for you? I think I tried that... oh wait - might have tried it in the eclipse editor instead of directly in the xml
May 28 04:39:17 <KNY> skyPhyr, what's the problem?
May 28 04:39:25 <KNY> \' works for me in strings.xml
May 28 04:39:44 <skyPhyr> thanks KNY - will give that a swing - I bet I was entering it through the interface
May 28 04:39:54 <KNY> skyPhyr, I always just edit the XML directly
May 28 04:40:11 <skyPhyr> KNY - I can see why - because it neither passes it through untouch nor consistently escapes things :)
May 28 04:40:44 <sammyF> wmealing: you were right about the dryness of the subject
May 28 04:41:30 <skyPhyr> arg - that isn't working here. I am despized by a machine
May 28 04:41:37 <skyPhyr> KNY - are you on 1.5rc2?
May 28 04:41:57 <KNY> skyPhyr, no, I was out of town for a few days; haven't had a chance to update
May 28 04:42:01 <KNY> I'm still on JF's ADP 1.5
May 28 04:42:13 <KNY> skyPhyr, oh, SDK
May 28 04:42:17 <KNY> yeah, I'm on _r2
May 28 04:43:16 <skyPhyr> yeah - hang on - I'm going to try this in the emulator - running Haykuro 5.0r3 still on the phone
May 28 04:43:23 <skyPhyr> just incase it's not me at all hehe
May 28 04:48:59 <skyPhyr> ahhh crap - I think I found the problem... better verify
May 28 04:51:08 <skyPhyr> KNY: java.text.MessageFormat.format screws it up
May 28 04:51:23 <KNY> ah
May 28 04:51:30 <KNY> try String.format() maybe?
May 28 04:54:50 <skyPhyr> woot MessageFormat consider '' to be a single quote, so putting \'\' in the xml worked :)
May 28 04:59:03 <skyPhyr> anyone up for giving my widget a final test before I send it off?
May 28 05:00:58 <vol> skyPhyr: what is it
May 28 05:01:47 <skyPhyr> vol: sorry for the delay - bub work up - it's this http://www.binaryiris.com/node/28
May 28 05:03:00 <KNY> interesting idea, skyPhyr
May 28 05:03:10 <KNY> too bad it can't call and talk for me ;)
May 28 05:03:33 <skyPhyr> KNY: hehe - yeah - I got in trouble too often before. Now I just need to go out and give it a proper test ;)
May 28 05:04:11 <sammyF> skyPhyr: send away if you like :)
May 28 05:04:15 <KNY> skyPhyr, sounds like it's time to take a run to the pub
May 28 05:04:37 <skyPhyr> damn flu :( - msg me your email sammyF and I'll pass it through
May 28 05:05:39 * sammyF is starting to feel contemptuous and might just leave the bug in there and say it's a feature
May 28 05:05:55 <sammyF> "makes the game harder, ya know"
May 28 05:06:08 <KNY> what bug is that?
May 28 05:06:44 <sammyF> KNY: I'm too dumb to stop  Thread.run to be called before it actually ends apparently
May 28 05:07:02 <sammyF> KNY: which also means I can't even Log anything, cause that makes the problem even worse
May 28 05:07:23 <sammyF> KNY: on the good side, it's really makes the game harder
May 28 05:07:42 <sammyF> and it's the kind of once every 2000 times happenances
May 28 05:07:50 <KNY> those are always fun
May 28 05:08:18 <sammyF> had to experience it a few times before I was certain that there WAS a bug. the game is relatively frantic and I wasn't sure it wasn't my eyes betraying me
May 28 05:08:50 <KNY> threading is always a good time
May 28 05:18:21 <musashi0011> I recently used a Dialog with two EditText fields to get some information yet I am not sure how to retrieve the entries, since it is not launched via an intent (at least explicitly), any suggestions?
May 28 05:25:33 <musashi0011> I recently used a Dialog with two EditText fields to get some information yet I am not sure how to retrieve the entries, since it is not launched via an intent (at least explicitly), any suggestions? Sorry for the repost, I disconnected.
May 28 05:32:47 <muthu_> you  need to store the entries somewhere global
May 28 05:37:14 <sammyF> off to sleep
May 28 05:37:17 <sammyF> nighty everybody
May 28 05:44:59 <musashi0011> Thanks muthu_
May 28 05:46:38 <musashi0011> Although I get a null pointer exception when I attempt to extract the text from the EditText when the onClick event is fired.
May 28 05:48:24 <musashi0011> that is, the EditText is null when I attempt to getText when the onClick event is executed.
May 28 05:50:20 <muthu_> make sure you are using the right id
May 28 05:50:37 <musashi0011> check :)
May 28 05:51:37 <musashi0011> eclipse would have highlighted it, but I checked the layout anyway...
May 28 05:51:42 * musashi0011 sigh
May 28 06:32:23 <cutmasta> hi, is it possible to write into the native contacts application from a external source like exchange but without the problem that the contacts get synced with google account?
May 28 06:32:47 <cutmasta> i dont want my customers that their office contacts get synced with their google account
May 28 06:40:07 <romainguy> cutmasta: disable contacts sync :)
May 28 06:41:03 <cutmasta> romainguy: :)
May 28 06:41:14 <cutmasta> i thought i could create  new contacts group
May 28 06:41:24 <cutmasta> and set a flag like NO_SYNC
May 28 06:41:32 <cutmasta> so that i can sync some groups, but not all
May 28 06:46:21 <cutmasta> romainguy: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/Contacts.Groups.html#NON_SYNCABLE_ACCOUNT
May 28 06:46:33 <romainguy> but that's the account
May 28 06:46:36 <romainguy> not a group
May 28 06:46:38 <cutmasta> hm
May 28 07:11:40 <skyPhyr> romainguy, sorry about somehow triggering that weird issue with gerrit
May 28 08:03:38 <deebo> are the g1 dev phone shipping costs still insane outside the us?
May 28 08:04:08 <skyPhyr> deebo: as far as I'm aware they haven't changed
May 28 08:04:26 <deebo> hmpf, seems actual hardware gettign here delayed again
May 28 08:04:52 <deebo> htc magic was gonna be the first phone here and arrive this month but apparentlt htc and the service provider cant agreeo n something
May 28 08:12:28 <TigerTael> deebo, I can at least get an HTC MAgic where I am now... but I'm not sure if I should wait for other phones.
May 28 08:13:51 <deebo> i have  a samsung i7500 ordered but no idea when those will arrive
May 28 08:14:07 <TigerTael> Only 1 thing i don't like about the i7500... no trackball.
May 28 08:14:21 <TigerTael> Which is something I need for dev work and personal use.
May 28 08:14:33 <TigerTael> But besies that, how much is the i7500 setting you back?
May 28 08:14:40 <TigerTael> Also, how much would an HTC magic set you back?
May 28 08:14:45 <deebo> no price given yet
May 28 08:14:47 <deebo> nor dates
May 28 08:14:55 <TigerTael> ugh ;/
May 28 08:15:04 <ziyong> samsung felt that most ppl didnt like trackball
May 28 08:15:08 <ziyong> hence they took it out
May 28 08:15:40 <ziyong> i asked them the same question too :(
May 28 08:15:46 <ziyong> but the screen is very nice
May 28 08:16:35 <TigerTael> I know, if it had a trackball, I'd be sold.
May 28 08:17:10 <ziyong> ya..
May 28 08:17:39 <ziyong> its very light
May 28 08:18:03 <TigerTael> Still, I might just go for it. I'd just much rather have a trackball to be able to test on my apps. ;/
May 28 08:18:08 <ziyong> but now still no sign of the firmware yet for samsung
May 28 08:18:18 <ziyong> the one i played with is on alpha build
May 28 08:18:48 <TigerTael> Also, I don't like the rotational bouncy thing when you rotate the phone. ;/
May 28 08:18:52 <ziyong> haha
May 28 08:18:53 <TigerTael> I hope you can turn that off.
May 28 08:18:58 <ziyong> maybe
May 28 08:19:05 <ziyong> i hope it can be turned off
May 28 08:19:52 <ziyong> i am now updating to hero build
May 28 08:27:44 <TigerTael> Sweet.
May 28 13:59:31 <FormicAcid> Anyone here is going for the ADC2 l00t?
May 28 14:06:33 <sammyF> ADC2?
May 28 14:07:56 <BeBoo_> is there a way to "freeze" the app until a button is clicked in a dialog?
May 28 14:08:23 <BeBoo_> i have the dialog and everything done but it displays and the app continues
May 28 14:18:45 <KNY> FormicAcid, if I can come up with a good idea, sure
May 28 14:19:31 <BeBoo_> hrm, i figured that out but if i want to kill my activity, i'm using finish(); but the app is still running. is there something else I should use?
May 28 14:24:23 <digitalspaghetti> BeBoo_: no thats normal
May 28 14:24:43 <digitalspaghetti> your app won't actually completly close until the memory is needed by another app
May 28 14:25:08 <digitalspaghetti> hold down your home key on the home screen, you should see the upto the last 6 apps you had running
May 28 14:26:13 <BeBoo_> thats kinda silly, isn't it?
May 28 14:26:29 <BeBoo_> why not free up the memory right away since it's no longer needed?
May 28 14:27:02 <digitalspaghetti> because maybe you want to come out the app your in, check something and go back into that app
May 28 14:27:56 <BeBoo_> so if i were to re-launch my app, would it start over or would onResume be called?
May 28 14:28:27 <digitalspaghetti> onResume, unless you have backed right out the app using the back key
May 28 14:28:43 <digitalspaghetti> if you hit home, then go back to it - it should resume from where you left off on the same activity screen
May 28 14:28:46 <BeBoo_> i used finish(); in code to quit it...
May 28 14:29:00 <digitalspaghetti> finish finishes the activity, not the app
May 28 14:29:24 <BeBoo_> well, that's what i am asking... i want to finish the app...  ^^;
May 28 14:29:50 <sammyF> System.exit( 0);
May 28 14:29:52 <sammyF> try that
May 28 14:29:53 <BeBoo_> basically, i'm testing to see if the net exists, if it doesn't, it displays an error and i want it to quit
May 28 14:30:38 <BeBoo_> my data isn't working on my G1 for some reason so it's a perfect time to test it
May 28 14:30:42 <digitalspaghetti> also android.os.Process.killProcess(android.os.Process.myPid())
May 28 14:30:46 <digitalspaghetti> might work
May 28 14:30:59 <sammyF> digitalspaghetti: my version requires less typing ;)
May 28 14:31:00 <BeBoo_> sammyF: that works, thanks =]
May 28 14:31:14 <BeBoo_> sammyF: easier copy/paste ;p
May 28 14:31:16 <sammyF> digitalspaghetti: although yours is probably the right way to do it ;)
May 28 14:32:00 <digitalspaghetti> i'll add both to androidsnippets
May 28 14:35:00 <BeBoo_> nice site heh
May 28 14:35:37 <digitalspaghetti> not mine, i have learningandroid.org though - although i still haven;t found time to work on it recently
May 28 14:35:41 <digitalspaghetti> too much client stuff in the way
May 28 14:35:55 <digitalspaghetti> and now the ADC2 has been announced :/
May 28 14:36:14 <BeBoo_> i think i might add my cache work around if it's not already there
May 28 14:37:42 <digitalspaghetti> i have put out a call to other devs to see if they would like to contribute, but no far nothing :(
May 28 14:39:21 <BeBoo_> to your site?
May 28 14:39:32 <digitalspaghetti> yea
May 28 14:39:55 <digitalspaghetti> i'm about a month behind in terms of project work and i've stopped taking any more on till i can clear it out
May 28 14:40:08 <digitalspaghetti> then hopfully get some time to finish a couple of tutorials i had lined up
May 28 14:41:28 <digitalspaghetti> actually i'm gonna shut down irc for a while - i need to get a EC2 instance up and running
May 28 14:41:38 <BeBoo_> i'm still a newb to all this
May 28 15:01:32 <Rexxars> I wish there was a way for developers to specify a reason for the permissions they request
May 28 15:02:03 <BeBoo_> i would love to know when i get an app on the market why it needs access to my contacts ;p
May 28 15:02:11 <Rexxars> exactly
May 28 15:02:20 <Rexxars> a solitaire app that requires internet access.. why? would be cool to say "Used for internet-based highscore function"
May 28 15:02:34 <Rexxars> even if its a lie, at least most apps would be truthful
May 28 15:02:39 <BeBoo_> right
May 28 15:03:31 <BeBoo_> finally got my data back on my G1... it's been gone since midnight (11 hrs ago)
May 28 15:03:51 <BeBoo_> now i can continue working on my app
May 28 15:03:55 <Rexxars> semi-permissions would be cool too, so you could install an app but not grant it internet access.. and have a check in your code for that permission at execution time
May 28 15:04:16 <BeBoo_> kinda like what BBs do
May 28 15:04:33 <BeBoo_> you specify what permissions you want to give it during install
May 28 15:04:51 <sammyF> Rexxars: probably dumping the stack on a server for debugging purposes
May 28 15:05:00 <sammyF> the solitaire one
May 28 15:05:08 <BeBoo_> my app is gonna have that
May 28 15:05:15 <BeBoo_> thats useful
May 28 15:05:16 <Rexxars> that was just an example, I have not actually seen that happen
May 28 15:05:28 <sammyF> Rexxars: hmm .. pretty sure there is one ;)
May 28 15:05:34 <Rexxars> might be :)
May 28 15:05:53 <Rexxars> I'm just fed up with these really basic apps requiring internet access and GPS location
May 28 15:05:55 <BeBoo_> crap... you found my solitare app
May 28 15:06:20 <BeBoo_> i got an app the other day... wanted like every single permission
May 28 15:06:22 <Rexxars> and when I realize this application I'm working on, it would be nice to explain to my users why it wants to access their contacts
May 28 15:06:24 <sammyF> sigh .. I hate bugs which only happens whenever you're not tracing
May 28 15:06:27 <BeBoo_> i can't remember what it was
May 28 15:06:38 <Rexxars> *release
May 28 15:07:18 <sammyF> Rexxars: I heard the google guys are working on a way to get better feedback from the market
May 28 15:07:25 <sammyF> especially concerning bugs
May 28 15:08:01 <BeBoo_> my data app only needs full net access and "view network state"
May 28 15:08:02 <BeBoo_> =]
May 28 15:08:06 <BeBoo_> nothin else
May 28 15:08:10 <BeBoo_> ... yet
May 28 15:08:16 <Rexxars> would be nice, all in all the market could use a few upgrades
May 28 15:08:38 <Rexxars> an easy way to filter out these horrid "Top sexy ladies" apps would be cool :p
May 28 15:08:51 <Rexxars> (no offense, should the author be in here *caugh*)
May 28 15:09:23 <sammyF> Rexxars: I think eveybody here is aware the market is ...~defective~ ;)
May 28 15:09:35 <Rexxars> am I the only one who feels the reviews/comments on applications are really.. dumb? :p
May 28 15:09:50 <Rexxars> "OMG DOEZ NOT WERK GIMME MONEY BACK" for a free app is pretty helpful
May 28 15:10:10 <BeBoo_> i saw an app that had like every profanity in the book as a comment
May 28 15:10:16 <Rexxars> lol
May 28 15:10:20 <BeBoo_> that was helpful as well
May 28 15:10:23 <sammyF> Rexxars: yes. definitely. everybody loves to get usefull comments like "gay! sucks! not download! WoW is better" ;)
May 28 15:10:37 <BeBoo_> yes i've seen "WoW is better"
May 28 15:10:41 <BeBoo_> on a word game
May 28 15:10:44 <Rexxars> wow is better, wow..
May 28 15:12:13 * BeBoo_ banishes Rexxars for improper captialization
May 28 15:12:24 <Rexxars> :'(
May 28 15:12:37 <BeBoo_> j/k, i'm not a WoW fan
May 28 15:12:53 <BeBoo_> i tried it several times... i like FFXI better
May 28 15:13:23 <rzr> hi where to open bugs on android ?
May 28 15:15:22 <sammyF> Rexxars: the really nasty ones though are the ones you mentionned : "CRASHES!"  .. as a dev, that a pretty weak help to eradicate bugs (supposing you didn't release a broken app on purpose)
May 28 15:15:42 <sammyF> rzr: on the OS itself?
May 28 15:15:43 <rzr> noone replied to  http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/042667043fcf3c82#
May 28 15:16:08 <Rexxars> I think I'll be pretty demotivated when I release my app, cause 90% of the comments are like that... "DOES NOT WORK".. "CRASHES" etc
May 28 15:16:30 <sammyF> Rexxars: welcome to the club ;)
May 28 15:30:10 <jasta> Rexxars: well, maybe you should write the app properly then :)
May 28 15:48:10 <Rexxars> jasta: ouch
May 28 15:48:39 <Rexxars> I still have not released an app yet, so that was fairly uncalled for :p
May 28 15:49:32 <Rexxars> I was rather refering to the very "objective" and "well written" reviews that are floating around on the market, heh
May 28 16:12:30 <cedricv> hey guys!   on a SurfaceView-based app, when I touch the screen the frame rate is halved though i do not even have an onTouchEvent. what am i doing wrong?
May 28 16:14:25 <romainguy> touch events are still delivered
May 28 16:14:28 <romainguy> it's a known issue
May 28 16:15:50 <cedricv> hmm i see, is there an open bug about it so i can track it?       there is no known workaround?
May 28 16:16:08 <romainguy> there are known workarounds
May 28 16:16:10 <romainguy> ask around
May 28 16:30:46 <TD> cedricv: you have to sleep a bit in the event handler, i think
May 28 16:30:53 <TD> cedricv: the framework will give events to you as fast as you can go
May 28 16:32:15 <cedricv> TD: yup found it thanks :)
May 28 16:48:48 <the_alien> someone messed around with the gtalk app?
May 28 16:53:56 <chouman82> is there a way to stop webview from reloading when the orientation changes?
May 28 17:20:56 <Rexxars> does anyone have a sample of a ContentProvider which does not use a database as backend, but rather an XML file or a webservice?
May 28 17:34:57 <jasta> Rexxars: its ill-advised to use ContentProvider for remote data.
May 28 17:35:08 <jasta> or at least to directly map the ContentProvider to remote data.
May 28 17:35:16 <Rexxars> ok, thanks :)
May 28 17:35:30 <jasta> ContentProvider runs in the main process of the application, and should not block.
May 28 17:35:34 <jasta> main thread*
May 28 17:35:56 <jasta> the pattern is well suited for databases and not much else, honestly.
May 28 17:36:06 <jasta> except for things like openFile()
May 28 17:38:53 <Untouchab1e> Hi!
May 28 17:39:37 <Untouchab1e> Are all windows defined in main.xml, or would I add another layout .xml file to add another window (or form)..
May 28 17:40:06 <Untouchab1e> used to Visual Studio so just wondering if layouts work the same way as forms do in Visual Studio (adding forms)
May 28 17:40:08 <KNY> Untouchab1e, each Activity should have a different XML (unless you can reuse the layouts)
May 28 17:40:30 <Untouchab1e> right..
May 28 17:40:40 <Untouchab1e> thanks
May 28 17:40:53 <KNY> Untouchab1e, again, this is covered in the docs/sample code
May 28 17:41:39 * sammyF has a strange case of deja vue
May 28 17:43:02 <KNY> you and me both, sammyF
May 28 17:43:02 <Untouchab1e> ^^
May 28 17:43:02 <Untouchab1e> have made a unit conversion app
May 28 17:43:04 <KNY> another one?
May 28 17:43:16 <sammyF> omg.. not related to Android, but at least to Google : http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/28/1236240/Google-Considers-Taking-Beta-Tag-Off-Gmail?art_pos=6
May 28 17:43:18 <sammyF> I'm shocked
May 28 17:43:21 <sammyF> :P
May 28 17:43:22 <Untouchab1e> heh, no.. but finished the one I worked on yesterday.. working through the notepad tutorial now
May 28 17:43:32 <KNY> sammyF, I saw that this morning and had to check to make sure it wasn't april 1st :)
May 28 17:44:22 <sammyF> yeah .. it's only been in beta for what? 6 years?? ;)
May 28 17:44:40 <KNY> heh
May 28 17:44:43 <KNY> 5 and change, I believe
May 28 18:23:11 <deebo> http://www.spotify.com/blog/archives/2009/05/28/spotify-mobile-demo-at-google-android-io/
May 28 19:33:26 <digitalspaghetti> anyone here good with layouts?
May 28 19:34:15 <ctate> the available attention level is pretty low right now because so many knowledgeable people -- both googlers and third parties -- are at the conference
May 28 19:34:39 <digitalspaghetti> yea i thought so :(  romainguy probably could have helped
May 28 19:34:47 <digitalspaghetti> http://paste.ifies.org/482
May 28 19:35:02 <digitalspaghetti> i'm wondering why on this screen, the top imageview won't show - seems to get pushed off the screen
May 28 19:45:45 <hpp-nu> Hi all, I want to make a Mask effect with 2 bitmaps. The first has to be masked by the second. What is the best way? I need it to redraw portions of
May 28 19:45:45 <hpp-nu> the screen the are involved in animations. I have an object(bitmap)
May 28 19:45:45 <hpp-nu> that moves on the screen and i need to redraw with a mask its last
May 28 19:45:45 <hpp-nu> position with the background bitmap. thnks
May 28 19:53:35 <nwmotogeek> how does someone pull a string value out of R.string ?
May 28 19:53:40 <nwmotogeek> it seems to only return an int
May 28 19:55:50 <Poke53281_> nwmotogeek: you call Resources.getString(R.string.)
May 28 20:11:01 <ctate> R.whatever are just the resource IDs, right.
May 28 20:11:19 <ctate> for the *contents* of the resource, you do what Poke53281_ said.
May 28 20:34:51 <Rexxars> anyone know how to set the background image of a tab? (the actual tab, not the tab contents)
May 28 20:39:42 <Rexxars> that is, how do I replace the default 9-patch images used on tabs..
May 28 21:03:36 <the_alien> anyone here can help me with the IM app and plugins?
May 28 21:07:01 <the_alien> The import android.net.http.AndroidHttpClient cannot be resolved what
May 28 21:07:03 <the_alien> -what
May 28 21:07:09 <the_alien> what am i missing?
May 28 21:13:18 <KNY> the_alien, a library, most likely
May 28 21:13:51 <the_alien> yeah...
May 28 21:13:55 <the_alien> but what lib :D
May 28 21:14:12 <KNY> the one containing AndroidHttpClient
May 28 21:14:19 <KNY> where did you see that mentioned?
May 28 21:14:31 <the_alien> trying to get the im app compiled
May 28 21:15:07 <KNY> that's an internal API; you'll have to build your own SDK in order to get that to work
May 28 21:16:26 <jasta> or build inside the tree.  or use reflection.
May 28 21:16:45 <the_alien> build inside the tree?
May 28 21:17:36 <the_alien> could someone tell me what i should do to get all this to compile?
May 28 21:18:42 <ctate> or don't use AndroidHttpClient.  :P
May 28 21:18:51 <ctate> seriously, don't use stuff that isn't in the SDK.
May 28 21:19:05 <ctate> never, ever build your own SDK.
May 28 21:20:13 <the_alien> so no way in getting the IM compiled?
May 28 21:20:23 <the_alien> check whats up with plugins and write one?
May 28 21:20:45 <KNY> yeah, you won't be able to easily compile the IM client
May 28 21:22:06 <the_alien> why is everything kewl not possible :/
May 28 21:22:40 <sammyF> you'll find that it's spelt k3wl" actually
May 28 21:23:08 <the_alien> the IM client is the best... besides it only supports gtalk. tmo seems to have done plugins for aim, etc on the us fw
May 28 21:23:14 <the_alien> if i'm right
May 28 21:24:08 <svm_invictvs> Hey, when publishing an application, how/where do I specify the EULA?
May 28 21:24:33 <the_alien> guessing this is an internal API, too? android.app.ActivityManagerNative
May 28 21:25:10 <svm_invictvs> Or do I just have to make that a menu option on my phone?
May 28 21:25:19 <svm_invictvs> Er, in my app
May 28 21:27:25 <ctate> erm, in 1.5 there are two different apps
May 28 21:27:28 <ctate> ther'es gtalk, and then there's IM
May 28 21:27:36 <ctate> or Messaging or whatever it's called
May 28 21:27:45 <ctate> (i guess Messaging is SMS)
May 28 21:27:51 <ewon> correct
May 28 21:27:56 <ctate> IM is what talks to T-Mobile's IMPS service
May 28 21:28:01 <ctate> gtalk just does gtalk
May 28 21:28:11 <the_alien> wait
May 28 21:28:31 <the_alien> i know there is "Messaging" which is the sms app
May 28 21:28:45 <the_alien> there is "GTalk" in the non us builds for gtalk
May 28 21:29:26 <the_alien> and afaik there is "IM" in the us builds which is "GTalk" with plugins from tmo (which are sending messages through sms)
May 28 21:31:24 <KNY> the_alien, actually, one of the googlers said that the tmobile-provided plugins send over data but they bill them as if they are sent over SMS. Shitty, eh?
May 28 21:32:02 <the_alien> KNY: yeah shitty, BUT i want to do my own plugin for this and DONT bill it ;)
May 28 21:32:26 <KNY> the_alien, start poking through the source and see what it takes
May 28 21:33:16 <the_alien> yeah doing it. but... i dont get what you told me about compiling sdk or insid tree, etc
May 28 21:33:40 <digitalspaghetti> does anyone know if it;'s possible to load a resource image into the image viewer via in intent?
May 28 21:39:40 <the_alien> what are those aidl files about and why does eclipse keep telling me that the interface isn't there even though the aidl file is there
May 28 21:49:45 <the_alien> can i simply rename the aidl files to java?
May 28 21:50:14 <ctate> uh, no; they're AIDL, not Java.
May 28 21:50:20 <ctate> Android Interface Description Language.
May 28 21:50:41 <the_alien> yeah, but why keeps eclipse telling me that the interface isn't there?
May 28 21:51:21 <the_alien> i have the IImPlugin.aidl but eclipse tells me that it can't find IImPlugin
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May 28 22:27:56 <ZeroPoint> Good evening
May 28 22:28:53 <ZeroPoint> Really eager to get started with making some apps for Android, but I really have no ideas for a very simple app that doesnt already exist on the market.. hehe.. Anyone have any? :)
May 28 22:33:25 <sammyF> zeropoint, you wanna make money?
May 28 22:33:26 <the_alien> ZeroPoint: an apps2sd app that moves single apps to the sd instead of all :D
May 28 22:33:32 <sammyF> ZeroPoint: go for Fart Apps :P
May 28 22:33:41 <the_alien> or naked women
May 28 22:35:06 <ZeroPoint> lol
May 28 22:35:29 <haitiankid4lyf> ZeroPoint: how bout a start up manager
May 28 22:35:39 <ZeroPoint> hmm.. good idea..
May 28 22:35:52 <ZeroPoint> I spent  2 hours working on a bill splitting app just to find out there are already at least 3 other similar apps on the market ^^
May 28 22:36:10 <haitiankid4lyf> ZeroPoint: dont let that stop you from publishing it
May 28 22:36:10 <the_alien> start up manager?
May 28 22:36:27 <haitiankid4lyf> the_alien: alien manages apps that start up when phone boots
May 28 22:36:27 <ctate> haitiankid4lyf: start up manager?
May 28 22:36:34 <sammyF> ZeroPoint: so what? I'm writing games, and if I went by the number of games on the market ...
May 28 22:37:05 <ZeroPoint> hah, yeah.. but you woulndt be writing the same games that are already available?
May 28 22:37:18 <sammyF> ZeroPoint: besides, if you never wrote anything for the G1, just start with something you're comfortable with to get the hang of it, instead of going for Ze Big Project right away
May 28 22:37:21 <joakime> i'm not going to make an app that animates things because there are so many other apps that do that.
May 28 22:38:00 <ZeroPoint> sammyF, I know, but I thought I would start off with something that I am comfortable with that noone else has thought of yet ^^
May 28 22:38:34 <ZeroPoint> trying to find a "didnt-know-I-really-needed" idea :)
May 28 22:38:43 <sammyF> ZeroPoint: "Frikkin' Seabass with lasers on their Head" Emulator?
May 28 22:38:52 <ZeroPoint> lol
May 28 22:39:03 <sammyF> well .. it's not been done before ;)
May 28 22:39:12 <ZeroPoint> true
May 28 22:39:17 <ZeroPoint> but a bit over my head I believe
May 28 22:39:50 <sammyF> ZeroPoint: on the other hand, how about writing your version of whatever you feel the G1 is lacking, no matter whether or not there is a version on the market. At least, in the end, it will fill YOUR need
May 28 22:40:00 <ZeroPoint> hah, very true
May 28 22:40:16 <the_alien> how the heck can i include the classes declared in the frameworks/base ???
May 28 22:40:17 <ZeroPoint> maybe i will just take a peak at other similar apps and find out how I can make a better one ;)
May 28 22:42:40 <the_alien> noone knows... again
May 28 22:50:14 <Rexxars> is there a way to disallow more than one line in an EditText-widget?
May 28 22:51:17 <svm_invictvs> Is it possible to revoke a license for an app that I posted on the market?
May 28 22:51:30 <ewon> has anyone tried an extended battery in their g1?
May 28 22:51:33 <svm_invictvs> Like, say somebody called me and said, "OMGZ I HATE YOUR GAME SO MUCH."
May 28 22:51:51 <ewon> lol
May 28 22:52:00 <svm_invictvs> And insisted a refund, if I return their money can I also revoke their license?
May 28 22:54:17 <Rexxars> true story? :D
May 28 22:54:24 <svm_invictvs> no
May 28 22:54:28 <svm_invictvs> my atrorney asked me
May 28 22:54:52 <svm_invictvs> What is Android AIDL Problem
May 28 22:57:45 <svm_invictvs> It's giving me a problem with the ".svn" folders
May 28 22:57:52 <svm_invictvs> Aren't those usually excluded from the build path?
May 28 22:58:31 <the_alien> they should
May 28 22:59:06 <svm_invictvs> hm
May 28 22:59:18 <svm_invictvs> I just checked out my code and it's trying to do soemthing with the ".svn" folders
May 28 23:03:31 <sammyF> svm_invictvs: your story isn't realistic
May 28 23:04:05 <sammyF> svm_invictvs: you ommited the words "GAY" and "SUCKZ"
May 28 23:28:48 <sammyF> is there anything special to do to capture KeyEvent.KEYCODE_MENU and KEYCODE_BACK ?
May 28 23:30:51 <ctate> not particularly
May 28 23:30:57 <ctate> except that you'll be screwing with the normal UI
May 28 23:31:52 <sammyF> ctate, yeah ... I know. Back isn"t really needed, just thought I'd bundle it in the question. I juste need a ~key~ to giev the player a chance to pause the game .. and the menu button would be the best alternative
May 28 23:32:08 <sammyF> I also need spelling lessons, but that's beside the point
May 28 23:41:57 <clueless> hello
May 28 23:42:15 <clueless> hey
May 28 23:45:36 <ctate> don't private msg people without asking first.  FYI.
May 28 23:46:06 <clueless> hahahhaa ohhhhh sorry
May 28 23:46:18 <ctate> and if you have questions, just ask -- don't ask whether you can ask :)
May 28 23:46:56 <clueless> ok i have a question
May 29 00:15:11 <haitiankid4lyf> yo ctate
May 29 00:15:23 <ctate> sup hk
May 29 00:15:29 <haitiankid4lyf> is it possible for an app to mount sdcard and send a file to pc?
May 29 00:15:40 <ctate> "send" how?
May 29 00:15:59 <haitiankid4lyf> via usb
May 29 00:16:32 <ctate> uh, how would that even work?  what would be running on the PC listening for data over USB?
May 29 00:16:51 <ctate> and i don't think the framework exposes access to USB anyway
May 29 00:16:59 <haitiankid4lyf> i figured as much
May 29 00:17:23 <ctate> SanMehat is your guy for USB questions here on freenode
May 29 00:17:24 <haitiankid4lyf> no some people were trying to make an app that copy nandroid backups to sdcard
May 29 00:17:34 <ctate> over in #android
May 29 00:17:37 <haitiankid4lyf> k
May 29 00:17:50 <sammyF> ctate, you're a mod, you might want to change r1 to r2 in the topic (and add "don't ask to ask!" while you're at it:)
May 29 00:18:01 <sammyF> there is an IF missing in the previous sentence
May 29 00:18:06 <ctate> heh
May 29 00:18:11 <sammyF> that went to eclipse ...
May 29 00:18:57 <ctate> :P
May 29 00:19:10 <ctate> stuff all this r* stuff
May 29 00:19:13 <sammyF> or like that ;)
May 29 01:34:14 <svm_invictvs> Hey
May 29 01:34:21 <svm_invictvs> What is Android's browser User agent?
May 29 01:35:52 <jclinton> svm_invictvs: give me a URL to your server and i'll create a log entry for you :)
May 29 01:36:05 <svm_invictvs> http://www.namazustudios.com/
May 29 01:37:52 <jclinton> svm_invictvs: done
May 29 01:46:54 <svm_invictvs> "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.1; en-us; dream) AppleWebKit/525.10+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2"
May 29 01:46:56 <svm_invictvs> Evidently
May 29 01:53:34 <chouman82> in the People content provider, when you do sort by default or sort by name
May 29 01:54:00 <chouman82> shouldn't the small letters come after all the capital letters?
May 29 01:56:39 <KNY> chouman82, unless they're doing a case-insensitive sort
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