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May 29 04:23:59 <herriojr> how do I determine what manifest branches there are in the repository using repo?  Or is this something I need to do with git?
May 29 04:26:33 <jasta> herriojr: can you be more specific?
May 29 04:26:45 <jasta> do you mean how to figure out what values you can provide for "repo init -b"?
May 29 04:27:11 <herriojr> jasta: when doing repo init -u ... -b somebranch, I want to identify what I can put as the branch
May 29 04:27:23 <jasta> cd .repo/manifests
May 29 04:27:25 <jasta> git branch -r
May 29 04:27:46 <herriojr> I'll check that out, thanks
May 29 04:27:48 <jasta> parse the values after the '/', any will work.
May 29 04:36:48 <herriojr> so if I'm going a fix that I would like to see in 1.5 (maybe r3 if they'd do it), do I want to make the change in donut or master?
May 29 04:37:19 <herriojr> *to make a fix
May 29 04:37:47 <herriojr> or am I SOL and just need to work in donut and hope donut gets out sooner than planned
May 29 04:39:24 <KNY> herriojr, I would guess master, but don't quote me on that
May 29 04:39:35 <KNY> I'm not holding my breath for donut
May 29 04:40:21 <herriojr> I talked to Romain Guy and he said it would be out before the end of the year, but that would probably be an unofficial quote
May 29 04:40:49 <svm_invictvs> Hey,do where do apps store data on the phone?
May 29 04:40:51 <herriojr> he may only have told me that because I cornered him in person ;)
May 29 04:40:55 <romainguy> herriojr: you cannot make a change in 1.5 :)
May 29 04:41:01 <romainguy> unless it's for the tools/sdk
May 29 04:41:08 <herriojr> damn, ok
May 29 04:41:40 <herriojr> btw, I had more questions for you but ran out of time after the end of your talk
May 29 04:41:44 <romainguy> ^^
May 29 04:42:04 <romainguy> dude, I talked for 2 days straight :p
May 29 04:42:20 <herriojr> I guess you want me to leave you alone then :)
May 29 04:42:32 <romainguy> well at least here I type
May 29 04:42:41 <KNY> romainguy, I asked you before and you didn't know at the time, but is google putting up videos of these talks or anything?
May 29 04:42:46 <romainguy> they are
May 29 04:42:48 <romainguy> we are :)
May 29 04:42:50 <KNY> excellent
May 29 04:43:10 <KNY> I'm seriously bummed that I didn't get my ass around to going
May 29 04:43:13 <KNY> next year, I guess
May 29 04:43:14 <romainguy> I'm excited we showed Wave \o/
May 29 04:43:26 <herriojr> yeah, and we got the magic for showing up KNY
May 29 04:43:33 <KNY> herriojr, don't rub it in
May 29 04:43:37 <herriojr> ;)
May 29 04:44:04 <KNY> romainguy, I don't know if you can answer this, but do google employees get the inside scoop on stuff way before it's announced, even if they're not on the team?
May 29 04:44:23 <romainguy> yes
May 29 04:44:34 <KNY> it's incredible that there aren't more leaks
May 29 04:44:47 <romainguy> that said Wave was secret internally for a long time
May 29 04:44:49 <romainguy> kinda like Android
May 29 04:45:00 <KNY> how long was android like that?
May 29 04:45:05 <jasta> KNY: no, it's not -- google employees probably like their jobs.
May 29 04:45:16 <jasta> leaking internal information is an easy way to lose it :)
May 29 04:45:31 <romainguy> jasta: the first android leaks happened right after we told Google employees :))
May 29 04:45:40 <KNY> jasta, yeah, I know but you'd think that there would be more "a friend of a friend of a brother's roommate" type of rumors out there
May 29 04:45:52 <jasta> KNY: there are lots of rumors just like that.
May 29 04:46:21 <jasta> but because of that chain, it hardly seems credible and you don't think anything of it ;)
May 29 04:46:33 <romainguy> btw
May 29 04:46:34 <jasta> until a year later when it comes true hehe
May 29 04:46:38 <KNY> haha
May 29 04:46:41 <romainguy> I would love if web sites stopped calling Donut ANdroid.20
May 29 04:46:44 <romainguy> Android 2.0
May 29 04:46:51 <romainguy> we never said that in any session or during the keynote
May 29 04:46:52 <romainguy> seriously :)
May 29 04:46:55 <KNY> romainguy, what's the branch number?
May 29 04:46:59 <KNY> is there one?
May 29 04:47:03 <romainguy> nope
May 29 04:47:07 <romainguy> donut's donut
May 29 04:47:11 <KNY> got it
May 29 04:47:20 <KNY> what was with the jump from 1.1 to 1.5? just marketing?
May 29 04:47:31 <jasta> it was significant enough to warrant that jump, i'd say.
May 29 04:47:58 <KNY> jasta, I'm not saying it wasn't, but it's also not very logical
May 29 04:48:17 <KNY> (and it makes sense that people assume that donut will be 2.0)
May 29 04:48:24 <romainguy> how is that not logical?
May 29 04:48:34 <KNY> well, what happened to 1.2-1.4?
May 29 04:48:58 <romainguy> meh
May 29 04:49:00 <romainguy> who cares?
May 29 04:49:03 <KNY> haha, no I
May 29 04:49:07 <KNY> not I*
May 29 04:49:10 <herriojr> KNY: maybe they were just internal versions ;)
May 29 04:49:12 <KNY> but that's my point about being illogical
May 29 04:49:24 <romainguy> illogical would be releasing 1.1 then 0.8
May 29 04:49:29 <jasta> KNY: i wouldnt say its illogical, just not a strict enumerating pattern.
May 29 04:49:42 <KNY> jasta, I'll agree with that
May 29 04:49:58 <KNY> of course, would 1.1 -> 987987.6 make sense?
May 29 04:50:05 <romainguy> sure
May 29 04:50:12 <romainguy> look at J2SE 1.4 -> 5.0 :)
May 29 04:50:21 <romainguy> or DirectX 3 -> 6 :p
May 29 04:50:24 <KNY> romainguy, that's 1.5, just called java 5
May 29 04:50:30 <romainguy> no
May 29 04:50:36 <KNY> I know virtually nothing about directx
May 29 04:50:39 <romainguy> the full name was J2SE 5.0 version 1.5 :))
May 29 04:50:49 <KNY> haha, now *that* is backwards
May 29 04:50:52 <romainguy> and then it's Java SE 6 version 1.6
May 29 04:50:55 <romainguy> but it was J2SE 1.4
May 29 04:50:58 <KNY> yeah
May 29 04:51:23 <KNY> well hell, I just worked for a company on a product that is now ProductName6 version 7, so who am I to talk?
May 29 04:51:29 <jasta> romainguy: i parse that as renaming the product itself 3 times, and releasing just 1 version of each :)
May 29 04:51:44 <romainguy> jasta: or "wtf marketing??"
May 29 04:51:52 <svm_invictvs> romainguy: So no cupcake :(
May 29 04:52:02 <romainguy> Cupcake is 1.5 :p
May 29 04:52:02 <jasta> no cupcake?
May 29 04:52:09 <KNY> haha
May 29 04:52:41 <svm_invictvs> I know
May 29 04:52:43 <KNY> romainguy, I think I'm as annoyed about "cupcake" becoming the mainstream term for 1.5 as you are about "2.0" being donut
May 29 04:52:44 <KNY> haha
May 29 04:52:47 <svm_invictvs> I haven't gotten it on my phone yet :(
May 29 04:53:04 * svm_invictvs publishes his app tonight.
May 29 04:53:06 <KNY> svm_invictvs, the URL was found last week; couldn't you just flash it?
May 29 04:53:19 <svm_invictvs> KNY: I wanna keep my phone retail.
May 29 04:53:26 <KNY> svm_invictvs, it would be retail
May 29 04:53:39 <KNY> since it's signed with their keys, wouldn't you be able to flash it without downgrading>?
May 29 04:53:47 <KNY> just drop it on your SD card and install, right?
May 29 04:53:57 <KNY> maybe I'm way off target here, but I thought that's how it worked
May 29 05:16:42 <herriojr> so, when I build android, and try to run the newly built "android list avd", it fails saying I need a platforms directory....what do I need to do to have a valid platforms directory?
May 29 05:17:11 <romainguy> did you build the SDK?
May 29 05:17:16 <romainguy> if not, then you don't use avds
May 29 05:18:06 <herriojr> I downloaded the source, built it using "make", and I'm trying to figure out how to get my newly built system on an emulator
May 29 05:18:15 <romainguy> type emulator
May 29 05:19:02 <herriojr> emulator: ERROR: You did not specify a virtual device name, and the system directory could not be found
May 29 05:19:36 <herriojr> that's why I was checking the list of avd's
May 29 05:19:42 <herriojr> before I tried to build one
May 29 05:19:48 <herriojr> to verify it was working
May 29 05:20:02 <romainguy> did you do lunch/choosecombo first?
May 29 05:20:10 <romainguy> note: we never use avd when we build from the tree
May 29 05:20:10 <herriojr> no idea what that is
May 29 05:20:23 <romainguy> did you do a source build/envsetup.sh?
May 29 05:20:45 <herriojr> how about this, I can't find a link for this stuff, do you happen to have one (and yes I google searched it ;) )
May 29 05:21:01 <herriojr> I have a tendency to use the wrong keywords when searching
May 29 05:21:19 <romainguy> hey
May 29 05:21:28 <romainguy> the commit we did during our session finally showed up in gitweb
May 29 05:21:30 <romainguy> stupid gitweb
May 29 05:21:34 <herriojr> lol
May 29 05:24:20 <herriojr> jsharkey got a kick out of the presentation, I heard him talking in the back ;)
May 29 05:25:27 <romainguy> that's because he's in love with git and The GIMP :)
May 29 05:25:51 <herriojr> nah, he said he wanted to hijack a presentation :P
May 29 05:28:22 <romainguy> sad
May 29 05:28:23 <deebo> arf i downloaded some ebook to evaluate a book a wanted to buy, good thing i didnt buy it
May 29 05:28:27 <romainguy> all those Google ION phones on eBay
May 29 05:28:33 <deebo> thsi guy uses ThisNamingConvention for variables in java
May 29 05:29:48 <herriojr> was I seriously the only one to raise my hand for the "StackOverflowException"?
May 29 05:30:48 <blanu> deebo: But that's the standard naming convention for things in Java.
May 29 05:31:02 <deebo> umm for classes yes, not for variables
May 29 05:31:08 <deebo> int MyInteger = 0;
May 29 05:31:51 <romainguy> herriojr: there was another one
May 29 05:32:57 <blanu> deebo: Oh I see, that is strange.
May 29 05:33:14 <herriojr> I do have to say that my question I (tried to) ask after was related...ActivityGroups add quite a bit of depth with the contributed DecorViews ;)
May 29 05:33:28 <herriojr> I hate talking in front of groups, I don't know how you do it
May 29 05:34:45 <romainguy> I answered your question about activitygroups :p
May 29 05:35:03 <romainguy> (and I actually do like to talk at conferences, I think it's fun)
May 29 05:35:50 <herriojr> yes, you answered it without me getting to fully put it into question form :)
May 29 05:36:16 <romainguy> more fun that way :p
May 29 05:37:06 <herriojr> ok, now I know how to test my changes to Android, so I'm going to start testing things
May 29 05:38:20 <KNY> herriojr, the bigger the crowd, the easier it tends to be (up to a certain point, of course)
May 29 05:39:03 <romainguy> KNY: the biggest I've done was 10,000
May 29 05:39:13 <herriojr> I had a hard time asking my question in front of that crowd :)
May 29 05:39:14 <romainguy> it was also the easiest because I couldn't see past the first few rows :p
May 29 05:39:15 <KNY> bragbragbrag :)
May 29 05:39:20 <KNY> exactly
May 29 05:42:29 <herriojr> ok, now that I (partially) know what I'm doing, I'm going to hit the sack
May 29 05:42:30 <herriojr> goodnight
May 29 06:01:08 <jasta> romainguy: hmm, im running into a weird situation i cant figure out...
May 29 06:01:11 <jasta> you got a second?
May 29 06:03:02 <jasta> i tried splitting a few activities in my app into their own process (with android:process=":foo") and now suddenly some calls to getContentResolver().openInputStream(Uri) are yielding odd results
May 29 06:03:13 <jasta> basically, they retrun an empty stream
May 29 06:03:35 <jasta> not an error (or null), just an InputStream which has no data in it.  read immediately yields eof
May 29 06:04:11 <romainguy> sounds like an IPC issue
May 29 06:04:28 <romainguy> I never tried to open a stream across processes
May 29 06:04:38 <romainguy> I only used filedescriptors
May 29 06:04:56 <jasta> well whats weirder still is im stepping through the debugger...
May 29 06:05:48 <jasta> it looks like it's doing asset stuff that makes absolutely no sense to me?
May 29 06:06:07 <jasta> openAssetFileDescriptor gets called?
May 29 06:06:32 <jasta> none of this code reads quite right to me
May 29 06:06:42 <KNY> hey romainguy, I don't know if you are associated with the icon design guidelines that were posted (you're UI, so maybe...) but android.R.drawable.ic_menu_{forward,back} aren't in the _r2 SDK
May 29 06:06:58 <jasta> hmm, i need to spent some more time looking at this i guess
May 29 06:07:00 <jasta> im so confused
May 29 06:07:05 <romainguy> KNY: I'm not, but good to know, can you file a bug?
May 29 06:07:09 <KNY> if you don't care, I'll just write up a b--sure :)
May 29 06:07:13 <romainguy> :))
May 29 06:07:15 <romainguy> I do care
May 29 06:07:17 <romainguy> but I'll forget :p
May 29 06:07:23 <KNY> haha, no worries
May 29 06:07:28 <romainguy> give me the bug number, I'll send it to the UX guys
May 29 06:09:52 <KNY> romainguy, #2795
May 29 06:09:56 <romainguy> thanks
May 29 06:10:00 <KNY> no problem
May 29 06:10:36 <romainguy> forwarded
May 29 06:12:13 <jasta> oh wait, i think i see whats going on here.  weird....
May 29 06:12:25 <romainguy> eh
May 29 06:12:30 <romainguy> I met someone from T-Mobile btw at I/O
May 29 06:12:33 <romainguy> Yusuf I think
May 29 06:16:26 <KNY> heh, turns out they're actually missing 12 of the posted menu drawables (bug report updated)
May 29 06:16:44 <KNY> romainguy, I'm surprised you haven't met more people from t-mobile
May 29 06:17:37 <RangerCat> Ive been looking through the reference for the Spinner, but I cant seem to figure out how to get the selected value from a spinner..
May 29 06:18:03 <romainguy> getSelectedItem()
May 29 06:18:30 <RangerCat> yeah.. I tried.. hold on
May 29 06:18:51 <RangerCat> I want that value as a string, but it doesnt seem like getSelectedItem().toString works?
May 29 06:19:06 <romainguy> it should work
May 29 06:19:30 <RangerCat> ah..
May 29 06:19:38 <RangerCat> was missing a "()"
May 29 06:19:39 <RangerCat> thanks
May 29 06:19:53 <romainguy> that would not even compile :p
May 29 06:20:21 <TigerTael> hrm
May 29 06:24:30 <KNY> argh, who came up with this stupid buggy autocomplete search box on developer.android.com?
May 29 06:26:19 <KNY> is it possible to determine whether a given Preference has been set yet? For example, I'd like to highlight settings that the user hasn't filled in yet
May 29 06:50:18 <RangerCat> Can I use any other fonts on a TextView than Monospace, "Normal", Sans or Serif?
May 29 06:51:02 <KNY> RangerCat, I believe you can bundle TTF fonts into your assets folder, but I could be wrong
May 29 06:51:35 <RangerCat> Ah, I see
May 29 06:51:39 <RangerCat> no biggie
May 29 06:52:16 <KNY> RangerCat, look through the ApiDemos app--I believe they mention it in there
May 29 06:52:50 <RangerCat> Ok.. I may have missed it
May 29 06:54:07 <KNY> RangerCat, I'm just going from memory so don't quote me :)
May 29 06:55:14 <KNY> RangerCat, seems like you put them in assets/fonts/
May 29 06:55:38 <RangerCat> Thanks! I will double check it
May 29 06:55:43 <RangerCat> but at least I know what to look for
May 29 06:56:14 <RangerCat> second question though.. :) It doesnt seem like underline is possible (TextView font styles)
May 29 06:56:18 <RangerCat> ?*
May 29 06:57:12 <uscheller> whats the http url of an application in the marketplace?
May 29 06:57:13 <RangerCat> Its just "normal", "bold", "italic" and "bold|italic"
May 29 06:57:37 <KNY> RangerCat, hmm, links are underlined so it must be possible
May 29 06:58:37 <RangerCat> I think I can define a string like this: <string name="blabla"><u>test text</u></string>
May 29 06:58:42 <RangerCat> just a thought.. will try it now
May 29 06:59:56 <RangerCat> lol.. didnt work :P
May 29 07:00:02 <KNY> you can do it with <b>
May 29 07:00:05 <KNY> hmm
May 29 07:00:32 <RangerCat> not that important either though..
May 29 07:00:34 <RangerCat> hehe
May 29 07:03:04 <KNY> RangerCat, you can use <u></u>
May 29 07:03:21 <KNY> I have it in a TV with autoLink="web" and it works
May 29 07:05:57 <RangerCat> yeah, it worked when running the app, but just didnt see it in eclipse
May 29 07:05:59 <RangerCat> for some reason
May 29 07:06:00 <RangerCat> thanks ;)
May 29 07:07:05 <KNY> no problem
May 29 07:07:12 <KNY> WYSIWYG editors will be the death of you :)
May 29 07:15:26 <RangerCat> lol, yeah
May 29 07:16:04 <RangerCat> Man, developing for Android is so much fun
May 29 07:16:05 <RangerCat> ^^
May 29 07:16:14 <RangerCat> love xml layouts ^^
May 29 07:16:31 <KNY> yeah, they're definitely sweet
May 29 07:17:34 <RangerCat> trying to decide if I should go for Theme.light (white) or the default black theme...
May 29 07:17:34 <RangerCat> hmm
May 29 07:18:15 <KNY> the light theme isn't finished, IIRC
May 29 07:18:25 <RangerCat> how so?
May 29 07:18:54 <RangerCat> I do find eclipse a bit unstable though..
May 29 07:19:24 <KNY> RangerCat, that's just what I've heard; I've never actually used the light theme
May 29 07:19:49 <KNY> RangerCat, eclipse is pretty stable, but the ADT plugin could use a little work
May 29 07:20:03 <KNY> but I've found that as long as I stay away from the WYSIWYG editors, I'm fine
May 29 07:20:24 <RangerCat> you dont get any outofmemory errors in eclipse?
May 29 07:20:26 <KNY> I'm also running x86_64 which messes with the SDK/plugin a bit
May 29 07:20:29 <KNY> no
May 29 07:20:34 <KNY> how much RAM do you have?
May 29 07:20:42 <RangerCat> 4GB DDR3
May 29 07:20:55 <KNY> how much is allocated for eclipse?
May 29 07:21:05 <KNY> you might need to increase your heap size
May 29 07:21:15 <RangerCat> hmm, I do that in Eclipse I presume?
May 29 07:23:13 <KNY> RangerCat, you do it when you start up eclipse
May 29 07:23:20 <TigerTael> KNY, I'm also running x86_64, what glitches are you aware of as far as the ADT plugin goes?
May 29 07:23:41 <KNY> TigerTael, if I use the layout editor, xorg starts to leak memory like a sieve
May 29 07:24:00 <KNY> I've had it use over 3GB of RAM before, even after killing all of java
May 29 07:25:06 <KNY> and by "use the layout editor" I mean "even if it accidentally opens for a split second"
May 29 07:25:47 <TigerTael> Aah.
May 29 07:26:23 <KNY> sometimes my debugger randomly disconnects as I'm debugging, too (which is incredibly annoying)
May 29 07:38:18 <RangerCat> is there a way to change the orientation in the emulator? (instead of having to have to seperate AVDs?)
May 29 07:38:38 <KNY> turn off numlock and hit numpad 7
May 29 07:39:25 <RangerCat> Im on a laptop ^^
May 29 07:40:15 <KNY> then use your "Fn" key that is on almost every laptop
May 29 07:40:42 <TigerTael> I hit Ctrl-F11
May 29 07:40:52 <TigerTael> Easier than turning Fn on and off.
May 29 07:40:57 <KNY> ah
May 29 07:41:16 <TigerTael> It toggles orientations, but you have to fully release ctrl and then press ctrl again to toggle it.
May 29 07:41:22 <TigerTael> You can't simply hold control and hit F11.
May 29 07:42:28 <TigerTael> Although, depends on your preference really.
May 29 07:43:17 <RangerCat> hehe
May 29 07:43:19 <RangerCat> well, thanks
May 29 07:43:35 <TigerTael> I can just as easily hit Fn+7.
May 29 07:43:48 <TigerTael> Except with Fn+7 I don't have to fully felease Fn.
May 29 08:25:54 <RavenZ> Quick java question.. If I want to keep a double value to only two decimals..
May 29 08:26:06 <RavenZ> as in, I dont want to get values such as 15,33333333
May 29 08:26:09 <RavenZ> but just want 15,33..
May 29 08:27:54 <RavenZ> Can I use Currency.format?
May 29 08:28:42 <Ge0rG> String.format should do the trick too, with "%0.2f"
May 29 08:28:53 <RavenZ> ah ok
May 29 08:28:54 <RavenZ> thanks
May 29 08:44:49 <the_alien> ((int)double_value * 100 ) / 100
May 29 08:45:11 <the_alien> something like this :D
May 29 08:45:38 <TigerTael> hehehe.
May 29 09:17:11 <jasta> oh my god, finally i get some sleep
May 29 09:17:30 <jasta> im so leaving at noon tomorrow :)
May 29 10:06:46 <zenmaster> Hi all
May 29 10:07:26 <zenmaster> I am having a nightmare with Cursor adapters, wondered if anyone can help me with a few answers ?
May 29 10:17:16 <recursv1> ask the questions, someone might know : )
May 29 10:26:00 <skyPhyr> arg - net disappeared - did zenmaster ask his Cursor adapter question(s)?
May 29 10:58:06 <recursv1> nope
May 29 10:58:18 <recursv1> skyPhyr: No, zenmaster did not
May 29 10:59:37 <skyPhyr> recursv1: at least I didn't miss anything :)
May 29 11:19:19 <zenmaster> hi there, sorry java crashing on windows 7 ightmare.
May 29 11:21:11 <zenmaster> I wondered if anyone can help with SimpleCursorAdapter ? I am trying to display a list of results from a linked table within a layout with other text, but am confused on what to do, as I dont want a listview, but as far as I can tell SimpleCursorAdapter only displays results in a list
May 29 11:22:05 <zenmaster> so I have been looking at trying to do a custom getView. Am I on the right lines ?
May 29 11:25:30 <zenmaster> can anyone read my messages here /
May 29 11:25:31 <zenmaster> ?
May 29 11:25:56 <deebo> no.
May 29 11:26:07 <deebo> no idea how to help, sorry :p
May 29 11:27:10 <zenmaster> deebo: talking to me ? sorry just getting message about registering, so unsure if I joined to the channel or not
May 29 11:38:41 <zenmaster> anyone here ?
May 29 11:42:20 <skyPhyr> zenmaster: you just want all the results in a single test field?
May 29 11:42:26 <skyPhyr> s/test/text/
May 29 11:43:11 <skyPhyr> or you want them all as individual items, but you want other things in your layout as well?
May 29 11:43:45 <skyPhyr> johnnyzen: sorry - didn't notice the nick change
May 29 11:44:26 <johnnyzen> skyPhyr: Hi, I have created a layout for the results eg. medical_pro_list. This list needs to go within another layout - procedure
May 29 11:44:45 <skyPhyr> ok - place that layout within a scrollarea element
May 29 11:45:18 <johnnyzen> which layout the medical_pro_list ?
May 29 11:45:18 <skyPhyr> like see here http://www.binaryiris.com/node/28 on the config screen?
May 29 11:45:27 <skyPhyr> I always have the save and cancel buttons at the bottom
May 29 11:46:08 <skyPhyr> I do that by putting a scrollelement which contains all those pieces within the layout and putting all the bits I want to move around inside there
May 29 11:46:16 <skyPhyr> yeah, you're medical_pro_list
May 29 11:46:20 <skyPhyr> your not you're
May 29 11:46:56 <johnnyzen> yeah kinda. i will do a screenshot to explain a bit better. prob. not explaining well. one sec :)
May 29 11:48:20 <vol> you're a medical_pro_list!
May 29 11:52:32 <johnnyzen> skyPhyr: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6puav5&s=5
May 29 11:53:24 <johnnyzen> I hope this explains better on what I am trying to do. I like the cursoradapter because it will go through the linked database table, but the only view I can get is a list view.
May 29 11:54:06 <johnnyzen> so I guess I need to write a custom getView ?
May 29 11:58:52 <skyPhyr> johnnyzen: I wouldn't hook up to a view at all
May 29 11:59:12 <skyPhyr> I'd just loop through the cursor results building a string and push that into a textview
May 29 12:00:07 <johnnyzen> skyPhyr: yes, thought of this, thought I would try and be clever and use the simplecursoradapter. so you mean like a "for" statement ?
May 29 12:00:35 <skyPhyr> johnnyzen: yeah, or a do while
May 29 12:01:10 <johnnyzen> skyPhyr: Thanks skyPhyr, for your help and time :)
May 29 12:01:18 <skyPhyr> the simplecursoradapter is more suited to when you wish to retain the data as a list. That's not so important here, though there's no reason you couldn't do it
May 29 12:01:50 <skyPhyr> though you'd potentially be adding a lot of views (one per item) which adds more overhead to your app then going through them and putting out a single string
May 29 12:02:25 <johnnyzen> ah ha, yes was trying, I guess I got caught up in trying to work out how to do it, when a while do, would be the best solution
May 29 12:34:04 <skyPhyr> haha - how's that for strange. I add another set of buffers views and it shows - just the All Buffers one doesn't :)
May 29 12:48:39 <tbr_> Hello. Was there a change in the method of HTTP delivery and installation of apps for cupcake?
May 29 12:53:29 <Disconnect> shouldn't be
May 29 12:53:36 <Disconnect> tmob has issues with small apks though, their proxies fuck it up
May 29 13:00:07 <tbr_> i don't have a G1 or know anyone with one so i can't really debug the problem. i just got the 1.5sdk and i'm going to see if i can reproduce in the emulator
May 29 13:01:56 <tbr_> hmm what do i put in the SDCard field when creating an emulator? a number or a path or what?
May 29 13:02:07 <ziyourenxiang> a filename
May 29 13:02:16 <ziyourenxiang> create that file using mksdcard
May 29 13:02:33 <tbr_> ah ok. i did that once for 1.1 i believe.
May 29 13:05:32 <johnnyzen> hi all, can anyone tell me how to append a new textview into an existing layout ?
May 29 13:06:54 <johnnyzen> TextView tv = new TextView(this);
May 29 13:07:01 <johnnyzen> tv.setText("Whatever");
May 29 13:07:54 <johnnyzen> but no indication on how to inject into a linearlayout within a layout.xml
May 29 13:12:39 <Ramblurr> does anyone know what the MediaPlayer error "-26" refers to?
May 29 13:16:23 <johnnyzen> is it possible to add a new textview to an exisiting xml layout ?
May 29 13:16:30 <johnnyzen> can anyone help ?
May 29 13:16:52 <johnnyzen> via new TextView ?
May 29 13:18:14 <marklar> johnnyzen: are you creating the new TextView programmatically or trying to load it from a second xml file?
May 29 13:22:35 <marklar> Can anyone recommend a tethering/proxy program?
May 29 13:28:03 <johnnyzen> hi marklar, well I have an existing xml layout file, and I want to add some textViews programmatically into that layout
May 29 13:28:08 <johnnyzen> is this possible ?
May 29 13:28:30 <marklar> johnnyzen: I've never done it myself, but I think its possible
May 29 13:29:54 <johnnyzen> what about adding a xml into a another xml ?
May 29 13:30:19 <johnnyzen> would that be easier ?
May 29 13:30:52 <marklar> I'm not sure
May 29 13:31:07 <johnnyzen> :) thanks anyways
May 29 13:31:35 <mmmulani> marklar: give the layout an id
May 29 13:32:03 <mmmulani> use findViewById() to grab it, then use the addView() method
May 29 13:32:20 <marklar> johnnyzen: There you go
May 29 13:32:50 <marklar> If you need to do it from another layout file, you just need to take the extra step and call InflateView
May 29 13:32:51 <johnnyzen> thanks mmmulani :)
May 29 13:32:58 <mmmulani> I believe you can do it from an xml file, never tried it though
May 29 13:33:01 <mmmulani> np
May 29 13:33:16 <mmmulani> oh, InflateView might be slow
May 29 13:33:48 <mmmulani> probably be better to start with InflateView and change to java if you need it, though
May 29 13:35:26 <johnnyzen> mmmulani: Thanks, if I need to add the textview within a linearlayout - within a xml layout file - I cant seem to getViewById for the linearlayout id.
May 29 13:36:11 <johnnyzen> sorry, ignore
May 29 13:36:15 <mmmulani> are you using R.id.<id>?
May 29 13:36:35 <mmmulani> ahah fair enough
May 29 13:40:55 <johnnyzen> Many Thanks mmmulani - got it working :)
May 29 15:57:21 <Poke53281> how would i combine two seperates apps ? Like i have two seperate apps which i would like to "bundle" up into one apk. ideally i would like to keep the two apps seperate as much as possible . i would not want to merge the resource files, they should stay seperate
May 29 16:16:55 <muthu> two separate apps = two separate apk
May 29 16:21:26 <marklar> Poke53281: What is the reason for having them in a single apk if they are different apps and won't be sharing data?
May 29 16:24:32 <Poke53281> well if they go up onto the android market it should be one download. they are sharing data in the sense that one is the dataprovider
May 29 16:29:13 <marklar> Poke53281: Have you looked at content providers? They let you share data between multiple applications: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/ContentProvider.html I don't know of any solution for having one download for two apps though
May 29 16:29:37 <sammyF> Poke53281: more a workaround, but how about putting one of them as a free download, but the application checks whether the paid apps is installed?
May 29 16:31:46 <sammyF> just don't forget to mention in the descriptions that the user needs BOTH. provide a link to the ~other~ application from within each
May 29 16:32:10 <sammyF> not sure if that would work for your particular case of course
May 29 16:32:58 <sammyF> Poke53281: something completely different : 53281 was the foreground, right? ;)
May 29 16:33:08 <KNY> you can also put dependency checking logic in, a bit like that TTS engine does
May 29 16:33:13 <Poke53281> oh sorry content provider. that's what i meant, not data provider. app 1 has a  content-provider and some activities. app 2 is mostly unrelated different but uses the app 1 content provider
May 29 16:33:39 <KNY> Poke53281, you can have them share a content provider
May 29 16:33:52 <Poke53281> sammyF: : exactly ! you are the first one who actually mentions it
May 29 16:34:21 <sammyF> Poke53281: it's been such a long time. I had to remember why it sounded so familiar ;)
May 29 16:41:11 <Poke53281> sammyF: i recently had to move all my old computer junk  from A to B. suprisingly most of the stuff still worked when i tried it out. that probably was probably why i picked that nick recently
May 29 17:26:32 <svm_invictvs> can one app uninstall another app if they were signed by the certificate
May 29 17:26:39 <svm_invictvs> same certificate?
May 29 17:27:13 <chouman82> jsharkey: when you query the People content provider and order by People.Name shouldn't the names start with small letters come after all the Capital letters?
May 29 17:38:28 <deebo> mm how does Log. work exactly, my program is passing a Log.d(string,string) in the code, but throws an exception after that and ddms doesnt get that debug message at all
May 29 17:40:48 <deebo> hmm no, my app just doesnt update on the emulator for some reason
May 29 17:41:07 <deebo> how does one make sure the LATEST version runs on the app when launching from eclipse
May 29 17:42:32 <deebo> running a clean in eclipse doesnt help
May 29 17:46:27 <chouman82> does ur app build properly?
May 29 17:46:36 <chouman82> did u do a build before u do a run?
May 29 17:49:22 <deebo> i just run through the eclipse run dialog
May 29 17:49:43 <chouman82> yea but do u have the build automatic option checked?
May 29 17:50:01 <deebo> yes
May 29 17:50:21 <chouman82> then watever u put on should be the newest build
May 29 17:50:44 <chouman82> in the eclipse console do u see something similiar to Application already exists. Attempting to re-install instead?
May 29 17:51:42 <deebo> yes, i get that when i run, even tho the code i have doesnt match what the emulator is running
May 29 17:53:00 <herriojr> deebo: what does it say in the console?
May 29 17:53:11 <deebo> Application already deployed. No need to reinstall.
May 29 17:53:42 <herriojr> it sounds like either you already have the latest version, or somehow it got into a bad state
May 29 17:53:58 <herriojr> and if it is in a bad state, just delete it from the emulator and do another install
May 29 17:53:58 <deebo> i swapped the avd and now it updated
May 29 18:00:15 <herriojr> by the way, I don't know where to report this, but the gerrit code review tool doesn't work with Opera....but I doubt anyone really cares ;)
May 29 18:00:55 <herriojr> oh wow, nvm, it works today
May 29 18:05:12 <deebo> hmm i got debugging working too, but logcat in eclipse isnt printing anything
May 29 18:05:59 <marklar> deebo: You can try running adb logcat in a shell to see what it says
May 29 18:06:53 <deebo> ye that works fine, but eclipse doesnt get the log
May 29 18:26:45 <jsharkey> chouman82: im assuming its based on how sqlite treats SORT BY
May 29 18:27:07 <jsharkey> *ORDER BY rather
May 29 18:28:17 <jsharkey> "when SQLite compares two text values, the result of the comparison is determined using memcmp"
May 29 18:29:10 * jsharkey files a bug, i think ContactsProvider should use COLLATE NOCASE
May 29 18:31:12 <ctate> i.e. it should be different from the underlying sql comparison policy?  hrm hum.
May 29 18:31:53 <jsharkey> hm? no, its just more-correct for the contacts-name case
May 29 18:32:04 <jsharkey> "Joe" appears next to "joe"
May 29 18:32:18 <jsharkey> which is what i would expect
May 29 18:32:35 <chouman82> that sounds about right
May 29 18:32:38 <ctate> yeah
May 29 18:32:59 <chouman82> when i query the ContactsProvider without providing the sortby field, it just sort by _id right?
May 29 18:39:35 <M0E_lnx> can anyone give me a clue where to start? I want to try to learn android programming
May 29 18:39:40 <M0E_lnx> I got eclipse installed
May 29 18:39:55 <M0E_lnx> I'm looking at the hello world example
May 29 18:40:11 <languish> Do you know java?
May 29 18:40:16 <M0E_lnx> No
May 29 18:40:20 <M0E_lnx> do I need to learn it first?
May 29 18:40:23 <languish> That's where to start.
May 29 18:40:33 <M0E_lnx> Ok
May 29 18:40:46 <M0E_lnx> you know any good guides out there for a beginner like myself?
May 29 18:41:20 <languish> Do you know any other programming languages?
May 29 18:41:27 <M0E_lnx> I know Gambas
May 29 18:41:52 <M0E_lnx> and a tiny bit of python
May 29 18:41:55 <M0E_lnx> not a whole lot
May 29 18:42:15 <M0E_lnx> all my work is done in gambas
May 29 18:42:41 <languish> M0E_lnx http://www.free-itebooks.com/?s=ebook+introduction+to+java
May 29 18:43:20 * M0E_lnx bookmarks
May 29 18:43:21 <M0E_lnx> thanks
May 29 18:43:43 <languish> happy coding
May 29 18:43:48 <Poke53281> M0E_lnx: http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/  book availalbe in store or free as pdf/htm
May 29 18:46:52 <Poke53281> can i get eclipse to start debugging with a signle keyboard shortcut. if i hit the shortcut for debug it still pops up a "Debug As" window where i have to select Android Application
May 29 18:58:37 <kRutOn> so, uh, how do you get two widgets in a relativelayout not to overlap
May 29 19:06:09 <herriojr> so, for this Contributor License Grant, am I the point of contact for the company if I'm contributing and do I sign it, or do I need to have someone else do it (like my boss)?
May 29 19:07:26 <ctate> kRutOn: even using android:layout_toLeftOf ?
May 29 19:08:11 <ctate> [or similar]
May 29 19:15:15 <kRutOn> ctateh i will try after the flight takes off :)
May 29 19:17:19 <ctate> kRutOn: heh
May 29 19:27:36 <musashi0011> Is there a way to hide the virtual keyboard based on an event (e.g. selecting enter in a text field hides the keyboard)?
May 29 20:14:31 <_RyanA> Are there any known books in the works targeting 1.5?
May 29 20:15:44 <wmealing_> _RyanA, hello android has it, from what I read.
May 29 20:16:01 <wmealing_> the pdf version at least.
May 29 20:20:15 <_RyanA> perfect i dont mind pdf although i prefer a hardcopy
May 29 20:20:36 <_RyanA> thanks
May 29 20:23:37 <_RyanA> im still trying to get a grasp on all the info i've read all over the place. so far i've only tried and successfully created the notepad tutorials, the views tutorials, and an xml reader from a url.
May 29 20:25:24 <_RyanA> would you say the android language is not easy with oop? most tutorials ive tried avoid creating objects to maintain performance. im a c# dev and implementations are different from my experience
May 29 20:25:45 <musashi0011> Ahh... Its called an IME! Eureka!
May 29 20:26:29 <wmealing_> _RyanA, i'm a C and python developer. Its java to me.. I thought that java was the first mainstream OOP language out there
May 29 20:26:34 <wmealing_> so.. i assume its "good at it"
May 29 20:27:35 * ctate | I thought that java was the first mainstream OOP language out there
May 29 20:27:40 <_Phlogi> imho its very OOP
May 29 20:27:43 <wmealing_> smalltalk ?
May 29 20:27:49 <ctate> wow, that would make a lot of people very unhappy.
May 29 20:27:58 <ctate> yeah, Smalltalk, and maybe CLOS.
May 29 20:28:01 <_Phlogi> :=)
May 29 20:28:05 * wmealing_ nods
May 29 20:28:09 <ewon> we should all be programming in Ada.
May 29 20:28:12 <ctate> whcih only predate Java by like 20 years.
May 29 20:28:14 <ewon> there, i said it.
May 29 20:28:19 <ctate> or 30
May 29 20:28:21 <wmealing_> ewon, you can sleep now
May 29 20:28:49 <wmealing_> (never heard of clos)
May 29 20:29:06 <_Phlogi> anyone read the book: after the software wars?
May 29 20:29:09 <wmealing_> was running scala on android until the 1.5 upgrade, I dont know enough about ant to fix the build scripts thoguh.
May 29 20:29:15 <wmealing_> though
May 29 20:30:11 <wmealing_> _Phlogi, what ? its a war ?
May 29 20:30:37 <_Phlogi> wmealing_: yes I think so :)
May 29 20:30:38 <ctate> wmealing: Common Lisp Object System
May 29 20:30:48 <wmealing_> ah
May 29 20:30:48 <ctate> iirc
May 29 20:31:25 <wmealing_> _Phlogi,  i just thought we were building better tools.. for the job.
May 29 20:31:57 <biafra> wmealing_: you know more about maven2?
May 29 20:32:03 <wmealing_> biafra, negative.
May 29 20:32:21 <biafra> wmealing_: so you need the 1.5 apis?
May 29 20:32:29 <wmealing_> this is my first month in java land.
May 29 20:32:33 <wmealing_> biafra, correct.
May 29 20:32:42 <biafra> wmealing_: if not you could just continue to build for 1.1
May 29 20:33:37 <biafra> wmealing_: what error do you get when compiling with ant?
May 29 20:33:48 <wmealing_> no errors, just massive binaries.
May 29 20:33:56 <wmealing_> i need to add a step in, and i dont know how
May 29 20:34:04 <wmealing_> i was following: http://chneukirchen.org/blog/archive/2009/04/programming-for-android-with-scala.html
May 29 20:34:06 <wmealing_> in 1.1
May 29 20:34:17 <biafra> wmealing_: some class-level obfuscation could help
May 29 20:34:50 <biafra> wmealing_: like with proguard in your example
May 29 20:34:53 <wmealing_> yes.
May 29 20:35:03 <wmealing_> except my ant fu  is too weak
May 29 20:35:07 <biafra> wmealing_: I had an increase of 800k with scala.
May 29 20:35:12 <biafra> you have more now?
May 29 20:35:18 <wmealing_> yes.. 950 ish
May 29 20:35:32 <wmealing_> wait.. i think i read your blog
May 29 20:35:38 <biafra> wmealing_: and that was better before?
May 29 20:35:43 <wmealing_> http://robey.lag.net/2009/01/19/scala-on-android.html <-- you ?
May 29 20:35:48 <biafra> no
May 29 20:36:01 <wmealing_> it used to be about 800, not sure why
May 29 20:36:29 <biafra> wmealing: well. 800 or 950 thats not much worse, is it?
May 29 20:36:35 <wmealing_> not in the scheme of things
May 29 20:36:54 <biafra> wmealing: wait til you use all scala features :-)
May 29 20:37:06 <wmealing_> biafra, i'm slowly getting there
May 29 20:37:22 <biafra> wmealing: it could be incraesing a lot more. I hat only a print-statement in my code
May 29 20:38:14 <biafra> wmealing_:       println(s) even
May 29 20:38:29 <wmealing_> ah.
May 29 20:38:43 * wmealing_ was wondering what you meant there for a second.
May 29 20:38:51 <biafra> biafra: proguard removes all the unused classes. and parts of classes
May 29 20:39:05 <biafra> sorry I meant had
May 29 20:39:34 <wmealing_> did you try using that ?
May 29 20:39:56 <wmealing_> i think it should be fine with scala, as all the types are matched up at compile time
May 29 20:41:06 <biafra> wmealing_: I was only checking that it really worked with my environment too. IntelliJ & maven2
May 29 20:41:36 <biafra> wmealing_: right now I am learning the Andorid API and Environment. after that: Scala
May 29 20:41:43 <biafra> wmealing_: not too much at once
May 29 20:41:51 <wmealing_> biafra, i have the same plan
May 29 20:42:43 <wmealing_> biafra, do you blog or journal ?
May 29 20:43:02 <biafra> wmealing_: not regular. and if so in german
May 29 20:43:27 <biafra> wmealing_: we have an android meeting in berlin
May 29 20:43:35 <biafra> every last wednesday
May 29 20:43:47 <biafra> of the month
May 29 20:43:54 <wmealing_> cool
May 29 20:44:44 <wmealing_> singapore has an android meetup tomorrow . I have a fever of 40C, doctor has advised against going out.
May 29 20:45:25 <wmealing_> i dont want to wipe out a lot of potential coders ;)
May 29 20:45:34 <ewon> http://cyxdown.free.fr/reminiscence/ <-- need to start an Android port
May 29 20:45:42 <biafra> wmealing_: you have no headache with 40C?
May 29 20:45:50 <wmealing_> biafra, i have a headache.
May 29 21:04:16 <herriojr> romainguy: ping
May 29 21:08:09 <herriojr> if in an adapter using getView, you don't use the convertView, is it lost to the recycler?
May 29 21:09:42 <herriojr> I'm hoping it is, so I can cache it myself
May 29 21:11:25 <jsharkey> O.o
May 29 21:11:43 <jsharkey> herriojr: thats bad  :P
May 29 21:11:50 <jsharkey> don't cache it yourself  ;)
May 29 21:12:15 <jsharkey> throw stuff in setTag() if you need it later
May 29 21:12:34 <herriojr> the problem is that I use a different view when the item is clicked on than when it isn't
May 29 21:12:40 <herriojr> with different data
May 29 21:12:49 <jsharkey> oh
May 29 21:13:10 <herriojr> so, I cache the clicked view myself, so that I can easily reuse it
May 29 21:13:14 <jsharkey> in  getViewTypeCount()  return "2"
May 29 21:13:21 <jsharkey> then return the right type in   getItemViewType(int position)
May 29 21:13:40 <herriojr> does that pull it from the recycler?
May 29 21:13:40 <jsharkey> the recycler will pass the right type based on the state your adapter answers
May 29 21:14:06 <jsharkey> so if a position changes its type from 1 to 2, you'll get a type-2 from the recycler in convertView next time getView() is called
May 29 21:15:19 <herriojr> awesome, I didn't know about that
May 29 21:15:20 <herriojr> thank you
May 29 21:15:37 <BlindOracle> if you want your application to create multiple shortcuts, must you create a UI to allow the user to select the shortcut of choice? Or can you simply provide an alias for each shortcut?
May 29 21:16:38 <jsharkey> <activity-alias />  ?
May 29 21:18:29 <BlindOracle> jsharkey, ya, that's what I'm after. I have two activity aliases but can't figure out who to distinguish when creating the shortcut
May 29 21:19:15 <BlindOracle> who = how
May 29 21:21:04 <BlindOracle> so if I want to have a single activity or listener handle all of my shortcut creation, and I need to be able to create shortcut x and shortcut y, how do you do that? When the onStart (for activity) gets called, I don't see anything which communicates to me the x or y alias was selected by the user
May 29 21:21:48 <BlindOracle> and by see anything, I mean the intent as provided by getIntent()
May 29 21:22:12 <BlindOracle> jsharkey, any ideas?
May 29 21:24:36 <biafra> how are you unit-testing your code? something like "adb -e shell am instrument -w com.mypackage.app/android.test.InstrumentationTestRunner" ?
May 29 21:24:57 <biafra> after building and installing the whole thing?
May 29 21:25:30 <biafra> is there any CI integration for the "adb am instrument" output
May 29 21:25:32 <biafra> ?
May 29 21:25:46 <BlindOracle> jsharkey, did I scare you off? ;)
May 29 21:29:15 <BlindOracle> vol, any input on my shortcut creation question?
May 29 21:29:58 <jsharkey> back now
May 29 21:30:18 <jsharkey> BlindOracle: they can each have their own android:label and android:icon?
May 29 21:30:25 <BlindOracle> jsharkey, yes
May 29 21:30:27 <jsharkey> ohhhhh
May 29 21:30:30 <jsharkey> but the incoming intent
May 29 21:30:49 <BlindOracle> jsharkey, looks the same AFAI can see
May 29 21:30:54 <jsharkey> idk if it forces it down to the original componentname?
May 29 21:31:20 <jsharkey> or if it keeps the componentname of the original alias
May 29 21:31:28 <jsharkey> (or idk if aliases even have componentnames)
May 29 21:33:02 <BlindOracle> jsharkey, ok, I'll take a look at that angle
May 29 21:36:38 <miracle2k> I have a TextView with a background drawable, and would like the drawable to change when pressed. I am already using an <selector> XML file, but that doesn't seem to do anything. If I define my own TextView subclass, override drawableStateChanged() and call invalidate() there, it suddenly works. Is the subclass really necessary?
May 29 21:40:04 <romainguy_> there must be something wrong with your drawable
May 29 21:40:09 <romainguy_> buttons on Android are just textviews
May 29 21:40:24 <BlindOracle> jsharkey, you nailed it! Thanks. The component name reflects the alias used to request shortcut creation
May 29 21:40:32 <jsharkey> =D
May 29 21:40:51 <jsharkey> miracle2k: can you pastebin the selector?  the order of items is really important
May 29 21:43:23 <miracle2k> jsharkey: http://pastebin.com/m205ac394 - that's one of them. They are more or less copied from the Camera app.
May 29 21:44:09 <miracle2k> I've also set android:clickable and android:focusable
May 29 21:45:40 <jsharkey> hmm
May 29 21:46:54 <romainguy_> jsharkey: good point, I wanted to add a feature to disable gestures anyway
May 29 21:47:17 <jsharkey> romainguy_: public chan?
May 29 21:47:28 <romainguy_> ah yeah
May 29 21:47:45 <miracle2k> Is it possible that this might be related to the view hierarchy I am using, i.e. is it worth it to try to simplify it, see if that's the problem somehow?
May 29 21:57:55 <sammyF> anybody has any idea why DPAD_CENTER is only captured if the trackball is rolled in anydirection directly prior to a press?
May 29 21:58:08 <romainguy_> sammyF: ??
May 29 21:58:18 <romainguy_> all I can think of is that your view doesn't have focus
May 29 21:58:23 <romainguy_> so moving the trackball gives it focus
May 29 21:58:36 <romainguy_> otherwise you have a very broken phone :)
May 29 21:59:59 <sammyF> romainguy: I have a  onKeyDown override. If I check for KEYCODE_DPAD_CENTER, nothing happens, unless I roll-click . only clicking doesn't trigger anything
May 29 22:00:09 <romainguy_> what I just said
May 29 22:00:51 <sammyF> romainguy: well ... yep. I have focus, as I can capture any other DPAD event perfectly prior to that.
May 29 22:01:16 <sammyF> so that leaves the second option ... are you really sure you don't have a third??? pllllleeeeeaase? ;)
May 29 22:01:26 <romainguy_> I'm pretty sure it's a focus issue
May 29 22:01:41 <romainguy_> and yes you can capture any dpad event pior to that
May 29 22:01:46 <romainguy_> because any other dpad event gives you focus
May 29 22:02:06 <emmby> romainguy: nice job with the UI performance talk yesterday, btw.  learned some good stuff for version 2
May 29 22:02:07 <sammyF> so I should 'requestFocus" continuously?
May 29 22:02:13 <romainguy_> no
May 29 22:02:23 <romainguy_> just call requestFocus() once
May 29 22:02:57 <sammyF> romainguy: I'll check. I'm rather sure I do that already though
May 29 22:03:17 <Qwell> romainguy_: should implement demandFocus() too
May 29 22:03:33 <sammyF> romainguy: thanks nevertheless
May 29 22:04:17 <romainguy_> not that requestFocus won't do shit in touch mode
May 29 22:04:21 <romainguy_> emmby: thanks
May 29 22:08:14 <sammyF> well .. I already do requestFOcus. I'll break thing a bit more by overriding onFocusCHanged andn re-requesting the focus in there :P
May 29 22:09:07 <romainguy_> sammyF: that won't work
May 29 22:09:28 <sammyF> sigh ... why not?
May 29 22:09:57 <sammyF> I mean, can't you request focus from onFocusChanged?
May 29 22:17:48 <KNY> is there a way to force a button to never wrap its contents?
May 29 22:18:42 <ctate> make it wider?  ;)
May 29 22:18:57 <KNY> ctate, haha, shush
May 29 22:18:58 <ctate> hm, can buttons do marquee?
May 29 22:19:30 <jsharkey> sure?
May 29 22:19:53 <KNY> ctate, well the issue is that I have several buttons in a row that get displayed in an activity with a dialog theme and under certain conditions, the dialog will be narrow and the button text will wrap
May 29 22:21:38 <KNY> setting maxLines="1" doesn't work, heh
May 29 22:21:44 <KNY> it was a long shot but I figured I'd try it
May 29 22:22:25 <jsharkey> there is a flag
May 29 22:22:33 <jsharkey> ellipsize="marquee" or something
May 29 22:22:39 <jsharkey> along with singleLine="true" iirc
May 29 22:22:46 <KNY> jsharkey, I don't want it to marquee
May 29 22:22:51 <KNY> ah, let me look for singleLine
May 29 22:24:00 <KNY> I mean, it was wrapping the word "delete", which I think would be a bit odd for a marquee
May 29 22:24:28 <KNY> damn, singleLine="true" just uses "De..."
May 29 22:25:20 <miracle2k> KNY, what do you want to happen if the text is too long for the button?
May 29 22:25:38 <KNY> miracle2k, expand the dialog width
May 29 22:26:35 <ctate> sounds like youir dialog layout is the problem
May 29 22:27:54 <KNY> ctate, all LinearLayouts all the way up the tree are android:layout_width='fill_parent'
May 29 22:28:35 <ctate> hmm.  i am no expert here but shouldn't something be based on the size of the content?
May 29 22:28:50 <ctate> so that it doesn't squeeze things
May 29 22:29:31 <miracle2k> I would have assumed it should be wrap_content all the way up if the dialog should expand.
May 29 22:35:50 <herriojr> jsharkey: I keep adding a new group to the contacts database, it returns a uri, but when I query the database, it doesn't exist
May 29 22:36:36 <KNY> miracle2k, yeah, that definitely doesn't work :) It just makes the dialog as absolutely small as possible haha
May 29 22:37:52 <miracle2k> KNY, so you want to have some minimum size, and then expand further as required?
May 29 22:38:34 <KNY> miracle2k, I want it sized correctly such that it shouldn't wrap single-word buttons :)
May 29 22:39:31 <KNY> miracle2k, I think I'm getting somewhere
May 29 22:40:35 <miracle2k> well, I'm not sure what your situtation is, but FWIW, I do think I remember there being min/max size attributes.
May 29 22:41:47 <KNY> well I don't want to set absolute sizes
May 29 22:41:54 <KNY> I don't know, I'll continue playing around with it
May 29 22:41:59 <KNY> thanks
May 29 22:58:46 <recursv> you could extend the button and implement the min-size
May 29 23:02:25 <herriojr> jsharkey: nvm
May 29 23:03:29 <titefuzz> so i was messing around with the media player today
May 29 23:03:54 <titefuzz> and my goal is to stop the music at a random time
May 29 23:04:05 <titefuzz> but also allow the user to stop the music if he/she would liek
May 29 23:05:02 <titefuzz> so i created a new class which was a thread and when i wanted to start the music i would initiate the thread
May 29 23:05:48 <titefuzz> but when i create a while loop to continously check to stop the music, the music sounds horribly...
May 29 23:05:51 <titefuzz> any ideas?
May 29 23:06:45 <miracle2k> jsharkey: I've been debugging the TextView drawable state issue I mentioned earlier. The problem seems to be that when DrawableContainer.selectDrawable() calls invalidateSelf(), as the docs say it should, it does nothing because there is "no callback attached" (mCallback==null).
May 29 23:07:12 <sammyF> titefuzz: are you calling isPlaying all the time in your thread?
May 29 23:07:26 <titefuzz> yep
May 29 23:07:33 <titefuzz> while(mp.ISPlaying()
May 29 23:08:49 <titefuzz> and also, i have a button in my application and for the life of me i cant change the layout of it
May 29 23:08:57 <titefuzz> it always shows up as the whole window
May 29 23:12:20 <titefuzz> sammyF would that be the reason for the pauses every few seconds?
May 29 23:13:51 <jsharkey> miracle2k: how are you setting the background on the textview?
May 29 23:13:56 <jsharkey> through android:background?
May 29 23:16:09 <miracle2k> jsharkey: I don't set a background, the parent RelativeLayout using a 9patch drawable with alpha
May 29 23:17:07 <jsharkey> oh, so is the relativelayout focusable/clickable?
May 29 23:18:07 <miracle2k> jsharkey: no, does it need to be?
May 29 23:20:25 <jsharkey> so the <select> only responds to the actual state of the view its directly bound to
May 29 23:20:38 <jsharkey> *<selector>
May 29 23:21:07 <jsharkey> holdon a sec
May 29 23:21:39 <miracle2k> jsharkey: Actually, I misspoke. The parent is a LinearLayout, but making it focusable/clickable doesn't change anything. However, there are more parents further up.
May 29 23:21:52 <jsharkey> there is  aflag u can use
May 29 23:21:54 <jsharkey> sry i gotta run
May 29 23:22:03 <jsharkey> its something like the opposite of android:duplicateParentState="true
May 29 23:22:04 <miracle2k> hm ok, thx
May 29 23:22:06 <jsharkey> bbl
May 29 23:30:28 <svm_invictvs> I have an application installed on my phone, how do I view it's certificate?
May 29 23:31:11 <titefuzz> i have no idea...
May 29 23:33:36 <ewon> it's == it is
May 29 23:39:43 <KNY> svm_invictvs, you mean the signing certificate?
May 29 23:43:15 <svm_invictvs> Yeah...
May 29 23:45:45 <svm_invictvs> the certificate that was used to sign the app before when it's published
May 29 23:50:18 <jasta> yawn
May 29 23:50:29 <svm_invictvs> oh man
May 29 23:50:33 <svm_invictvs> I'm uploading my apk
May 29 23:50:34 <svm_invictvs> ^_^
May 30 00:00:32 <d3vlabs> hi
May 30 00:12:45 <Lieutenant> hey android is coded in java only, right?
May 30 00:13:11 <Lieutenant> android apps are coded in...*
May 30 00:13:19 <zinx> typically, yes
May 30 00:14:01 <d3vlabs> is it a size thing
May 30 00:18:12 <zinx> huh?
May 30 00:19:09 <d3vlabs> why java
May 30 00:19:57 <zinx> portability
May 30 00:20:20 <zinx> across Android devices
May 30 00:26:05 <svm_invictvs> Unlike, say, iPhone which is and always be an apple product.
May 30 00:26:33 <spikebike> heh
May 30 00:26:35 <svm_invictvs> Android is made to span several devices, so compiling wouldn't help.
May 30 00:26:40 <spikebike> wonder what they will do when they change CPU architectures
May 30 00:26:43 <svm_invictvs> compiling to assembly.
May 30 00:26:54 <svm_invictvs> spikebike: Qualcomm checked in code for their hardware.
May 30 00:27:06 <svm_invictvs> spikebike: If you look at the repository.
May 30 00:27:57 <ewon> how feasible is something like a gcc frontend that compiles to dalbik bytecode?
May 30 00:28:02 <ewon> *dalvik
May 30 00:28:05 <spikebike> qualcomm check in code for the iphone?
May 30 00:28:12 <spikebike> (android code)
May 30 00:33:44 <kRutOn> ctate: thanks, that worked. I just had it out of order.
May 30 00:34:35 <kRutOn> my patches to get off of romainguy's bad developer list were completed on the plane ride :-D
May 30 00:34:43 <romainguy> nice :p
May 30 00:35:38 <kRutOn> I changed all my RelativeLayouts to AbsoluteLayouts that are programmatically created
May 30 00:35:45 * kRutOn dives for cover.
May 30 00:35:49 <chouman82> romainguy: how do i update the progressbar in the notification?
May 30 00:36:01 <romainguy> no clue
May 30 00:36:28 <chouman82> come on romainguy!
May 30 00:36:33 <chouman82> u r suppose to know everything
May 30 00:36:47 <romainguy> I'm too lazy to know everything :)
May 30 00:37:32 <chouman82> is there any example on creating remoteview for the notification?
May 30 00:37:37 <sammyF> chouman82: I'm pretty sure there is a nice paragraph on that on android.com
May 30 00:37:45 <romainguy> look at the ApiDemos in the SDK
May 30 00:37:48 <romainguy> I think there are examples
May 30 00:38:57 <sammyF> chouman82: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#ProgressDialog
May 30 00:39:39 <sammyF> chouman82: the part that interests you : "You can increment the amount of progress displayed in the bar by calling either setProgress(int) with a value for the total percentage completed so far or incrementProgressBy(int)  with an incremental value to add to the total percentage completed so far."
May 30 00:40:10 <sammyF> yw :P
May 30 00:40:12 <chouman82> yea so i can update the progress bar regularly but is it the same for the remoteview?
May 30 00:40:48 <chouman82> because within RemoteView there is a setProgressBar thing
May 30 00:40:58 <chouman82> method i meant not thing
May 30 00:41:18 <chouman82> setProgressBar(int viewId, int max, int progress, boolean indeterminate
May 30 00:41:50 <chouman82> do i just constantly calling on that method every time my progress is updated?
May 30 00:42:25 <miracle2k> chouman82: I'd guess it's similar to using RemoteViews in widgets, you need to send an update with a RemoteViews instance, but probably shouldn't do so all too often, so maybe only update every X percent.
May 30 00:42:44 <chouman82> i see
May 30 00:43:21 <chouman82> so i would just create a new instance of the RemoteViews and supply it to the notification and notify every so often?
May 30 00:45:08 <chouman82> i want to show the progress of uploading a file
May 30 00:46:27 <miracle2k> Yes, I think so. That's how it works with widgets, anyway.
May 30 00:51:04 <chouman82> alright thanks i'll try that out
May 30 01:00:15 <sammyF> I'm going to kill my cat ... I just spent 10mn trying to find out why a sound effect didn't work, after shoving my cat out of the room for walking on my keyboard .. apparently it succeeded in pressing ctrl+shift+c  and to comment out the line where the sound effect is played -.-
May 30 01:06:40 <Qwell> sammyF: impressive
May 30 01:07:01 <sammyF> Qwell: big cat with big paws I guess
May 30 01:07:22 <sammyF> Qwell: if it keeps doing stuff like that, it will be an ex-big cat with ex-big paws
May 30 01:07:33 <Qwell> what is ctrl-shift-c?
May 30 01:07:58 <sammyF> Qwell, in Exclipse it comments out the current line :/
May 30 01:08:04 <Qwell> oh
May 30 01:23:29 <titefuzz> anyone around willing to take a gander at a media player problem?
May 30 01:30:10 <titefuzz> guess not
May 30 01:30:50 <sammyF> titefuzz: just tell whatever your problem is. if someone knows the solution or has an idea, he'll speak up
May 30 01:30:51 <sammyF> :)
May 30 01:33:19 <titefuzz> have a thread use to play music and loop while checking the time... if the time reaches the stoptime then music should stop, loop causes music to pause every 2 seconds or so....
May 30 01:40:11 <sammyF> titefuzz: ahh . THAT problem
May 30 01:40:31 <titefuzz> yeah....
May 30 01:40:36 <sammyF> you said the user can stop the music, and that's why you have to check whether it's still playing?
May 30 01:41:01 <titefuzz> well the user starts the time and i want it to play for a random ammount of time, say between 1 and 2 minutes
May 30 01:41:03 <titefuzz> then stop
May 30 01:41:20 <titefuzz> but i would like the user to be able to quit the program instead of having to wait for the song to stop
May 30 01:41:25 <titefuzz> so i have a thread
May 30 01:41:48 <titefuzz> i mean i guess i dont have to have the thread and the user will just have to wait until the song is done playing
May 30 01:41:58 <titefuzz> but i can see people getting annoyed at that
May 30 01:44:20 <titefuzz> wonder if there is some type of timer event
May 30 01:45:03 <sammyF> hmm
May 30 01:45:20 <sammyF> but if the user exits the program, the mediaplayer you started will automatically stop anyway
May 30 01:45:34 <titefuzz> right, but they wont be able to stop the program
May 30 01:46:32 <titefuzz> if they try to it will give them a force close error
May 30 01:46:45 <titefuzz> well
May 30 01:46:54 <titefuzz> maybe i just release the program without that option for now
May 30 01:46:59 <titefuzz> and maybe someone will give me an idea
May 30 01:47:03 <titefuzz> for and upgrade
May 30 01:47:24 <titefuzz> its really a senseless program anyway
May 30 01:47:36 <titefuzz> just somethign to get me used to using android classes
May 30 01:47:40 <sammyF> hmm
May 30 01:47:51 <sammyF> can't really help you there I'm afraid
May 30 01:48:45 <titefuzz> alrighty
May 30 01:48:49 <titefuzz> well thanks for listening
May 30 01:48:49 <titefuzz> !
May 30 01:48:51 <titefuzz> :)
May 30 01:49:00 <titefuzz> talk to you later, heading home
May 30 01:57:14 <hunterp_> is there a webpage for my android market app that is publically available ?
May 30 01:57:32 <sammyF> hunterp_: something like cyrket.com?
May 30 01:58:00 <hunterp_> id prefer a page under android.com
May 30 01:59:35 <sammyF> not sure. so far I haven't found one at android.com
May 30 02:10:13 <herriojr> romainguy: I just ran through a user test of my application, and I think the docs need to make it more clear to other app developers not to leave services running in the background/have too short of a polling time
May 30 02:10:30 <herriojr> or they didn't even read the docs ;)
May 30 02:10:44 <herriojr> the user's phone was god-awfully slow
May 30 02:13:55 <herriojr> just clicking an item on the home screen took at least a minute
May 30 02:14:27 <herriojr> anyways, have a good weekend everyone
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