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Jun 20 07:55:40 <Gaz> anyone know why my surface view runs about 30% slower if i leave it and then return to it?
Jun 20 07:55:56 <Gaz> cant see any reason why at all but its def slower, goes from 60fps to 40fps
Jun 20 08:56:13 <digitalspaghetti> raugust: you need the position, not the id
Jun 20 10:57:37 <keyboarder> anyone familiar with the AudioManager class?
Jun 20 10:58:37 <keyboarder> I can't seem to get setBluetoothA2dpOn(boolean on) to work.
Jun 20 12:48:20 <mechanicFFM> hi there...
Jun 20 12:51:08 <mechanicFFM> im really new to java/ android just did c++ and a lot of psp coding back in the day
Jun 20 12:51:29 <mechanicFFM> and im stuck with my latest app anybody willing to help me a bit
Jun 20 12:52:40 <mechanicFFM> ok i just explain my problem... sorry im a dumb noob when it comes to java
Jun 20 12:53:27 <mechanicFFM> i created a user interface which starts a service... so far so good
Jun 20 12:54:40 <mechanicFFM> i need to run a if-else statement in a loop since i want to use the audiomanager sercice to check if a the mode is MODE_NORMAL or MODE_IN_CALL
Jun 20 12:55:11 <mechanicFFM> i did that before in a gui only ad it works just fine when i use a onclicklistener
Jun 20 12:55:32 <mechanicFFM> but i dont know hoe to run it in a background service
Jun 20 12:56:27 <mechanicFFM> i placed a while loop in onstart and it tells me the mode but just one time
Jun 20 12:56:36 <mechanicFFM> whats wrong
Jun 20 12:56:36 <sammyF> mechanicFFM: check out asynctask. It might be what you're looking for
Jun 20 12:57:09 * sammyF is waking up, so give him a few hours and some coffee before he can get more specific :P
Jun 20 12:57:34 <mechanicFFM> thanks will take a look
Jun 20 12:58:11 <mechanicFFM> im shure its just a damn noob problem as im new to android
Jun 20 12:58:31 <mechanicFFM> never coded in java before only c++
Jun 20 13:00:19 <mechanicFFM> if someone is willing to help i could send some code example of what im trying to do
Jun 20 13:02:35 <mechanicFFM> checked the asynctask but im not shure if thats what i need
Jun 20 13:05:43 <mechanicFFM> can i put a while loop in onstart in a service?
Jun 20 13:06:21 <mechanicFFM> or do i need a custom listener if i want to check the audio modes
Jun 20 13:15:14 <mechanicFFM> looks like im alone with my problem
Jun 20 13:15:51 <mechanicFFM> anyway if someone is willing to help me out let me know thanks
Jun 20 14:02:16 <ravon> Is it possible to profile your app?
Jun 20 14:06:38 <Rexxars> ravon: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/7b368027d23b7c17
Jun 20 14:07:53 <Rexxars> also google for "android traceview"
Jun 20 14:10:32 <ravon> Rexxars: ah, thanks!
Jun 20 15:37:07 <inamru>  I need to create an Http connection then I need to read the data from server,Which class are necessary for that
Jun 20 15:38:17 <Rexxars> there is 50 different ways to do it
Jun 20 15:38:25 <Rexxars> *are
Jun 20 15:39:14 <inamru> tell me the esiast way,I need the connection with the http server and need to read raw data
Jun 20 15:40:01 <Rexxars> really depends on what you're trying to do... HttpURLConnection and an InputStreamReader could be helpful
Jun 20 15:40:46 <Rexxars> you really should Google this stuff, there are plenty of resources out there that shows different ways
Jun 20 15:41:30 <inamru> Actually I need to convert a java source code to Android,if you have experience in java then I can tell the used class
Jun 20 15:42:06 <Rexxars> are you sure you can't use the same class?
Jun 20 15:43:08 <inamru> yes,I donot find the classes in android
Jun 20 15:43:13 <Rexxars> k
Jun 20 15:43:26 <Rexxars> generally speaking, you should look at the org.apache.http.* classes
Jun 20 15:43:34 <Rexxars> http://d.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/package-summary.html
Jun 20 15:43:48 <Rexxars> hope that helps you to get started
Jun 20 15:44:52 <inamru> Ok,thanks
Jun 20 16:09:48 <killachaos> Hey, I just created a new project with eclispe, the tutoriial says it should include import android.os.Bundle;, but it doesn't. is os.Bundle needed anymore?
Jun 20 16:10:29 <killachaos> Nevermind
Jun 20 17:45:24 <wojtek_kalicinsk> hi I was directed here from #android with my question, so here it is:
Jun 20 17:45:25 <wojtek_kalicinsk> let's say I found bugs in one of the external projects, like apache-http or other projects in /external/. if I decide to fix it, should I commit to the android git repo or try to get them into the external project repositories and they will somehow make it in to android ?
Jun 20 17:46:40 <srm> android uses the SDK with some of there own extensions. If you find a bug, report it to the official channels. If it is a bug in an android package then go for the android channels...imo
Jun 20 17:47:12 <srm> unless you hunt the bug down to an incompatibility with an androidpackage
Jun 20 17:47:28 <srm> than it would be probably android in the first place :)
Jun 20 17:49:20 <xsdg> wojtek_kalicinsk: I'd suggest both; we typically don't have time to forward a bunch of patches from people, especially if getting them accepted upstream might require a couple rounds of iteration
Jun 20 17:50:09 <xsdg> wojtek_kalicinsk: but if it's a bug that affects Android, we'd probably take a well-written patch (and then suggest that you send it upstream :o)
Jun 20 17:51:39 <wojtek_kalicinsk> ok I was going to ask something more but I think your answer about sending patches both to android and to the external project makes sense
Jun 20 17:52:30 <wojtek_kalicinsk> the reason for me coming here was that I found some things that are plain wrong for example with the implementation of some java classes in apache harmony
Jun 20 17:53:08 * xsdg doesn't know anything about harmony :o)
Jun 20 18:19:34 <chouman82_> anyone knows how to use the map overlay?
Jun 20 18:56:40 <mechanicFFM> looks like nobody is willing to help me out damn
Jun 20 18:57:38 <sammyF> you're still stuck with your constant monitoring thing?
Jun 20 18:58:42 <mechanicFFM> still stuck with my little service problem yeah
Jun 20 18:59:09 <mechanicFFM> i tested a lot of thing but im just experienced in c++ and other things
Jun 20 18:59:18 <mechanicFFM> looks like i have to learn a lot more
Jun 20 18:59:51 <mechanicFFM> everything works just fine expect the loop thing
Jun 20 19:00:56 <mechanicFFM> should be a easy thing for someone with a bit more knowledge
Jun 20 19:01:51 <sammyF> mechanicFFM: well .. I'm not that knowledgeable and I write games, so all this ui stuff generally goes way over my head. sorry :/
Jun 20 19:03:20 <mechanicFFM> i created a service and i just need to know how to loop my if/else statement
Jun 20 19:05:42 <mechanicFFM> i would post some code but dont know if that would help if nobody cares
Jun 20 19:06:48 <mechanicFFM> i would like to fix the problem myself but since im not very experienced its hard for me
Jun 20 19:07:04 <mechanicFFM> to find the problem
Jun 20 19:07:39 <mechanicFFM> im shure its just a small thing i dont get
Jun 20 19:08:51 <mechanicFFM> the ui works fine also the service starts properly as far as i can see i just dont get how to loop my code in there
Jun 20 19:09:22 <mechanicFFM> when i add the code zu my ui in a onclick listener everything works fine
Jun 20 19:10:22 <mechanicFFM> anyway... thanks sammy for responding to my poor noob question
Jun 20 19:11:54 <neonfreon> can dev versions of the g1 use paid market apps?
Jun 20 19:29:48 <chouman82_> how do u draw multiple points on the mapOverlay without hindering the performance?
Jun 20 20:02:53 <chouman82_> i am having a hard time drawing line on the map overlau
Jun 20 21:38:49 <Skail> seems like findViewById is returning null, and I can't see why
Jun 20 21:55:49 <mechanicFFM> anyone willing to take a look over my code at pastebin?
Jun 20 21:56:08 <mechanicFFM> this drives me crazy
Jun 20 22:02:49 * Skail is stumped also
Jun 20 22:03:26 <mechanicFFM> http://pastie.org/518741
Jun 20 22:03:34 <mechanicFFM> anyone?
Jun 20 22:04:05 <mechanicFFM> i dont see why it works like it should
Jun 20 22:04:27 <mechanicFFM> not works lol
Jun 20 22:04:43 <srm> what's the error?
Jun 20 22:04:50 <srm> any error messages?
Jun 20 22:04:53 <mechanicFFM> no error
Jun 20 22:05:00 <mechanicFFM> it just dont works
Jun 20 22:05:04 <srm> -.-
Jun 20 22:05:07 <srm> aha
Jun 20 22:05:21 <mechanicFFM> when i add the code in a on clich listener it works fine
Jun 20 22:05:56 <mechanicFFM> but since there is no click event i have to loop it in the service class
Jun 20 22:06:01 <srm> what means 'loop doesn't loop as it should' ? how should it loop? and 'it dont work' is not...hm..specific
Jun 20 22:06:21 <mechanicFFM> take a look at the code
Jun 20 22:06:28 <mechanicFFM> in onstart
Jun 20 22:06:34 <mechanicFFM> i added a loop
Jun 20 22:06:39 <srm> yes?
Jun 20 22:06:47 <mechanicFFM> which should loop my if-else statement
Jun 20 22:06:53 <srm> ok?
Jun 20 22:06:59 <srm> but it doesn't loop, right?
Jun 20 22:07:06 <mechanicFFM> yes!
Jun 20 22:07:23 <srm> if you can explain the use of the return you might answer your question by yourself
Jun 20 22:08:07 <mechanicFFM> as i said when i use it in the ui app it works fine when i use it in a onclicklistener
Jun 20 22:08:24 <mechanicFFM> hmmm maybe u notice im very new to java/ android
Jun 20 22:09:14 <srm> the return returns from the onStart method so your loop is not looping. that's not android that's a programing fact :)
Jun 20 22:09:16 <mechanicFFM> when i use no return i get no toast message
Jun 20 22:10:22 <srm> you might want to rethink the program-flow logic. and maybe you want to place the return somewhere, where the method returns only under certain conditions.
Jun 20 22:10:26 <Skail> what does this mean, "No package identifier when getting value for resource number 0x7f060000"
Jun 20 22:10:58 <mechanicFFM> so its just a problem with the return placement?
Jun 20 22:11:06 <srm> I guess so.
Jun 20 22:11:59 <srm> but, I'm new to android but have a bit more java background. so my understanding of what your method is supposed to do is limited :)
Jun 20 22:12:42 <mechanicFFM> but where should i place it as i said when i remove it it does not show any toast located in the loop
Jun 20 22:12:51 <mechanicFFM> hmmm it works one time
Jun 20 22:13:12 <srm> yes, because with the return placed where it is the loop gets executed only once
Jun 20 22:13:26 <mechanicFFM> and it shows the right mode... just no loop
Jun 20 22:13:32 <srm> yes!
Jun 20 22:13:40 <srm> that's what I'm saying :)
Jun 20 22:13:40 <mechanicFFM> hmmm but where else should i place it
Jun 20 22:13:57 <srm> remove the ringtone, but then you'r in an infinite loop.
Jun 20 22:14:12 <srm> when should this method be called and left? that are the question you have to answer.
Jun 20 22:14:34 <srm> if this method should be running in the background think about a thread where you place your neverendin-loop
Jun 20 22:15:09 <srm> s/neverendin/neverending
Jun 20 22:15:12 <mechanicFFM> it should loop and check constantly if the mode is ringing or normal
Jun 20 22:15:21 <srm> then remove the return statement
Jun 20 22:15:41 <mechanicFFM> ive tested a lot but nothing seems to work
Jun 20 22:15:51 <srm> what does that mean?
Jun 20 22:16:08 <mechanicFFM> i removed the retuns... so on
Jun 20 22:16:17 <mechanicFFM> also i placed it in oncreate
Jun 20 22:16:29 <srm> mechanicFFM: what happens if you remove the return?
Jun 20 22:16:29 <mechanicFFM> nothing works
Jun 20 22:16:39 <srm> and stop saying nothing works.
Jun 20 22:17:10 <srm> it's better to say what happens than saying 'nothing works' that makes no sense. there's allways something happening.
Jun 20 22:17:23 <mechanicFFM> it starts fine but it does not show the current mode
Jun 20 22:17:34 <srm> does it show anything else?
Jun 20 22:17:42 <mechanicFFM> and with the return adden it shows it once
Jun 20 22:17:48 <mechanicFFM> yeah
Jun 20 22:17:55 <srm> and which is what?
Jun 20 22:18:29 <mechanicFFM> mode_normal
Jun 20 22:18:46 <srm> where does this message come from?
Jun 20 22:18:54 <mechanicFFM> whithout the return i dont get the current mode
Jun 20 22:19:04 <mechanicFFM> its a toast message
Jun 20 22:19:28 <srm> I have no idea what Toast is, so let's try another approach
Jun 20 22:19:43 <srm> try placing your loop only around the if/else part
Jun 20 22:19:47 <mechanicFFM> it just shoult constantly check the current mode
Jun 20 22:19:54 <mechanicFFM> should
Jun 20 22:20:41 <srm> I guess there's no need to retrieve the AUDIO_SERVICE object everytime you run through the loop, correct me please.
Jun 20 22:21:03 <mechanicFFM> toast is that tiny message which shows up
Jun 20 22:21:14 <mechanicFFM> yeh that could be right
Jun 20 22:21:42 <mechanicFFM> but it does not solve the problem that the loop does not work
Jun 20 22:21:55 <mechanicFFM> hmmm
Jun 20 22:22:04 <mechanicFFM> i will try again
Jun 20 22:22:23 <srm> have you rearranged the while() to enclose only the if/else ?
Jun 20 22:25:39 <srm> what do others think about using a broadcast for mechanicFFMs problem? something that notifies when AUDIO_SERVICE mode changes?
Jun 20 22:26:02 <srm> should be better than using brute infinite while loops (idle ftw!)
Jun 20 22:29:21 <mechanicFFM> hmmm how would i do that... i need to know the current mode
Jun 20 22:30:02 <mechanicFFM> thats how i would do it in c
Jun 20 22:30:25 <mechanicFFM> and it works just fine then i use it in a listview / oncklicklistener
Jun 20 22:31:18 <mechanicFFM> yeah  i rearanged the while loop
Jun 20 22:32:17 <srm> helps anything?
Jun 20 22:33:57 <mechanicFFM> no
Jun 20 22:34:38 <mechanicFFM> i try something and update the pastebin then
Jun 20 22:38:09 <srm> I'd like you to test another idea with the loop: http://pastie.org/518881
Jun 20 22:43:26 <mechanicFFM> will try that in a minute
Jun 20 22:43:38 <mechanicFFM> :)
Jun 20 22:46:56 <mechanicFFM> get a couple of syntax errors
Jun 20 22:47:07 <mechanicFFM> but i try to sort that
Jun 20 22:48:49 <srm> 'right...was dirty copy/paste
Jun 20 22:49:54 <srm> *argh* there's a big error in my paste. you have to set both booleans to 'true' when they are declared.
Jun 20 22:50:14 <mechanicFFM>  had to remove the private  @ bolean
Jun 20 22:50:24 <mechanicFFM> ahhh ok
Jun 20 22:50:31 <mechanicFFM> lets see what happens
Jun 20 22:50:41 <srm> yeah, makes no sense when they are declared at this place.
Jun 20 22:51:37 <srm> not only 'makes no sense', rather 'is wrong' :)
Jun 20 22:51:50 <mechanicFFM> ok installing apk
Jun 20 22:51:59 <mechanicFFM> lets see what now happens
Jun 20 22:52:20 <srm> you initialised both booleans with true?
Jun 20 22:53:08 <mechanicFFM> yes
Jun 20 22:53:50 <mechanicFFM> application does not react when i try to start my service my ui
Jun 20 22:53:58 <mechanicFFM> force close
Jun 20 22:56:54 <Skail> can anyone point me to an explanation of ListViews and "@+id/android:list" ?
Jun 20 22:57:08 <srm> ok. I guess that's a toast question. how these objects work...at least worth the try :) I guess you should stick with an eventlistener (broadcast) to react on a mode-change.
Jun 20 22:59:55 <Skail> when I set my list to @+id/android:list , I get a null pointer from findViewById() on a different activity than the list is on, but when I set the list id to something else, it only crashes when it reaches that activity
Jun 20 23:00:45 <mechanicFFM> try google: listview tutorial or take a look at the sdk samples
Jun 20 23:01:06 <Skail> my code isn't much different from the notepad tutorial
Jun 20 23:01:11 <mechanicFFM> akkk ok sorry didnt read your last lines
Jun 20 23:01:14 <Skail> and that tute works
Jun 20 23:01:41 <mechanicFFM> just thought you need a general listview tutorial
Jun 20 23:02:43 <mechanicFFM> i thought of a custom listener too but i have no idea how to grate a listener for the audiomanager like i need it
Jun 20 23:03:26 <Skail> and when I add another ui item to the layout, I start getting the null pointer from different calls to findViewById()
Jun 20 23:03:51 <mechanicFFM> i need to find the reason why i get a force close with the latest code
Jun 20 23:04:16 <mechanicFFM> when i try to start the service
Jun 20 23:04:50 <mechanicFFM> so it must be a service class problem since it worked fine before to start the service
Jun 20 23:05:22 <mechanicFFM> will update the pastebin
Jun 20 23:05:29 <srm> try adding some log messages using the Log class, so you can at least see where your code is. otherwise use breakpoints and debug it :)
Jun 20 23:07:49 <Skail> this makes no sense
Jun 20 23:09:54 <romainguy> Skail: it's @android:id/list, not @+id/android:list
Jun 20 23:11:03 <mechanicFFM> http://pastie.org/518899
Jun 20 23:11:26 <mechanicFFM> thats the last version which chrashes when i start the service from my ui
Jun 20 23:13:32 <Skail> romainguy: The notepad tutorial uses "@+id/android:list" .. and it works correctly.
Jun 20 23:13:59 <srm> mechanicFFM: no messages at all? no "Service is started" ?
Jun 20 23:15:29 <srm> another thing, did you add the return in onCreate() ? (it's not related, just curiosity)
Jun 20 23:16:58 <mechanicFFM> yeah its like in the patebin... return in oncreate
Jun 20 23:17:09 <mechanicFFM> but it worked fine before like that
Jun 20 23:17:14 <Skail> grr this makes no sense.. its like its creating corrupt resources or something
Jun 20 23:17:32 <mechanicFFM> looks like i need a custom listener
Jun 20 23:18:18 <mechanicFFM> but i have no idea how to create one for the audiomanager and such a task
Jun 20 23:19:16 <mechanicFFM> so if anyone wants to take a look http://pastie.org/518899
Jun 20 23:21:15 <s1516> how can i attach source to android.jar?
Jun 20 23:21:49 <s1516> i download the android source already
Jun 20 23:22:01 <s1516> but which directory i should point to when attached to my android.jar?
Jun 20 23:22:24 <srm> mechanicFFM: one more try with a thread solution?
Jun 20 23:26:52 <Skail> gah, I'd be better off coding all my own widgets on a SurfaceView, at this rate
Jun 20 23:27:06 <srm> just an idea mechanicFFM: http://pastie.org/518915  (maybe the curlybrackets got messed up)
Jun 20 23:32:15 <srm> hmm..no seems to be useless too..I guess I'm out of this for now. Don't know enough about Services and stuff.
Jun 20 23:33:38 <mechanicFFM> thanks for ur effort dude
Jun 20 23:33:52 <srm> a pleasure
Jun 20 23:34:03 <mechanicFFM> will try that
Jun 20 23:34:10 <mechanicFFM> i keep u updated
Jun 20 23:34:18 <mechanicFFM> looks like a endless story
Jun 20 23:36:41 <mechanicFFM> still the same problem
Jun 20 23:36:59 <mechanicFFM> app does not respond when i start the service
Jun 20 23:37:07 <mechanicFFM> force close
Jun 20 23:37:29 <mechanicFFM> will try some more things
Jun 20 23:38:11 <mechanicFFM> looks like a custom listener is the best way but i have no glue how to set it up
Jun 20 23:38:17 * Skail 's task seems to be "how to make a ListView without using any 'android:' id's"
Jun 20 23:39:05 <chris> Hello; anyone have a good read on switching activities? The documentation on intent doesn't seem intuitive. I really am just trying to fill a ListView within my TableLayout
Jun 20 23:39:40 <chris> It seems the process of filling the ListView needs a separate activity, I was hoping to do it in the main activity thread but have yet to find out how, most examples extend ListActivity
Jun 20 23:40:24 <s1516> How can I make a Gallery removes all existing item, and reload it from adapter?
Jun 20 23:40:28 <Skail> chris: you're way ahead of me :)  I can't even put a listview in my app without a force close
Jun 20 23:40:52 <chris> lol, I may be able to help you, then someone can help me, and we will both be a little farther :p
Jun 20 23:41:51 <chris> Skail, my ListView is some simple xml, it is likely your force closing due to something else I would think, I've yet to get down a solid debug process other then commenting lines of code :p
Jun 20 23:42:39 <Skail> basically, whenever I put in "@+id/android:list",  findViewById() starts returning null for completely unrelated ui resources... not even ones in the same activity.
Jun 20 23:43:23 <chris> Hmm, my listview is embedded in a table layout so I don't need to really look for it.
Jun 20 23:43:52 <Skail> maybe the solution to both our problems is the same - don't use ListActivity, as that seems to be what requires the "android:list"
Jun 20 23:44:24 <chris> Well, I can't find information on how to populate the listview without a listactivity
Jun 20 23:44:40 <chris> I was hoping maybe a pure xml style, like listview><listItem>Foo</
Jun 20 23:44:59 <chris> Just until I understand how to do it the likely more correct way
Jun 20 23:45:20 <srm> good night and good luck!
Jun 20 23:45:32 <Skail> there's an attribute for filling a listview with static items, I believe
Jun 20 23:46:22 <chris> I will eventually need to learn how to properly run subactivities and do things asynchronously
Jun 20 23:49:56 <Skail> well I'm getting nowhere fast. :/
Jun 20 23:55:40 <chris> I think I figured it out
Jun 20 23:59:36 <Skail> awesome
Jun 20 23:59:45 <Skail> now fix mine too :P
Jun 21 00:01:05 <chris> I added the activity to the manifest, and launched the intent
Jun 21 00:01:43 <chris> now im force closing though after the the data is written.. lol. I am just resorting to entries in @array
Jun 21 00:41:42 <Skail> well this is awesome... my problem is gone
Jun 21 00:44:21 <mechanicFFM> i`m envious :D
Jun 21 00:44:30 <chris> What was the solution?
Jun 21 00:44:37 <mechanicFFM> i wish i could say that haha
Jun 21 00:46:38 <Skail> The awesome part is that I have no idea what the solution was
Jun 21 00:47:26 <chris> lol, can you paste bin your method ?
Jun 21 00:48:18 <Skail> I have no "method" right now, the list does nothing
Jun 21 00:48:32 <Skail> in fact it still crashes
Jun 21 00:48:44 <Skail> but now it does so only when the listview tries to come up.
Jun 21 00:49:58 <chris> lol
Jun 21 00:51:26 <Skail> but now, you see, I am at least making progress
Jun 21 02:06:41 <Skail> I sorta wish eclipse worked on my box
Jun 21 02:06:50 <Skail> might make learning this platform quicker
Jun 21 02:53:24 <Skail> great, the problem is back.
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