**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 16 02:59:57 2009 Aug 16 03:03:36 yo Aug 16 03:04:14 will a file based storage be much simpler than content providers? Aug 16 03:14:55 muthu: a content provider is an abstract api independent of the backing store. Aug 16 03:15:18 in other words, your question makes no sense. a content provider could use file based storage. Aug 16 03:25:39 jasta: right, but i was wondering about the whole content provider design Aug 16 03:27:27 was thinking whether an array adapter backed up by a file would be good enough Aug 16 03:27:43 instead of going through the hoops of contentproviders Aug 16 03:30:18 hello Aug 16 03:30:51 how to do incremental build? Aug 16 03:35:28 hello Aug 16 03:35:51 how to do incremental build? Aug 16 03:38:30 hi asan, you new to android dev? Aug 16 04:14:51 yes Aug 16 04:20:08 test Aug 16 04:20:25 helloworld Aug 16 04:42:38 kroot: (super belated) yeah, the stuff i fixed was already rewritten in donut (and based on what i saw of the code, definitely needed to be) Aug 16 05:15:42 itp: heh Aug 16 05:20:08 what are the "optimal" parameters and read times to use an AudioRecord object (besides the minBufSize calculations of course :)) Aug 16 08:42:44 hiya, so i'm working in eclipse and i've created 2 classes, 1 preference class that i intent as a subactivity, now when i install the app on the emulator, i see 2 apps with the same name and the 2nd starts my preference Aug 16 08:42:48 how is that? Aug 16 10:46:05 is there a good working with json tutorial Aug 16 10:46:36 i think i saw one on google Aug 16 11:04:13 can anyone point me to link where i can find how to create AVD and run android on emulator ? Aug 16 11:10:27 Ramosa funny, i searched but maby on the wrong term Aug 16 11:17:25 can someone help me with this: {"val":"foo","id":1} how to get .val and .id Aug 16 11:17:30 from a json string Aug 16 11:24:36 hi all i am working on: http://www.anddev.org/web_services_-_an_xml-rpc_client_for_android-t646.html as the project i am working on need a web service. maybe its just to hard for me since i dont know what they mean "3. Add those packages to your project." what is meany by that ? i have downloaded the files, and assume i need to add them to the project but cant figure out where/how Aug 16 11:38:49 cage: You can use the android json framework Aug 16 12:47:14 hi Aug 16 12:47:23 I'm new as a developer Aug 16 12:47:44 in the dev-console, I don't understand what are some numbers next to the app Aug 16 12:48:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=741xC_ZWudo Aug 16 12:48:40 fear the particles :p Aug 16 12:48:44 (number1) *stars* (number2) "total" (number3) active installs (number%4) Aug 16 12:48:57 number1 is number of votes I guess Aug 16 12:49:11 number 3 is real installations Aug 16 12:49:21 but, what's number 2? Aug 16 12:49:24 "total"? Aug 16 12:49:52 and what's number4? (the %) Aug 16 12:51:50 SinnerG: cool :) Aug 16 12:52:02 err no idea where you get this info from - maybe a screenie? :p Aug 16 12:53:54 hi Bruno Aug 16 12:54:00 argh Aug 16 12:54:04 its Tim Aug 16 12:54:05 :P Aug 16 12:54:05 :) Aug 16 12:54:28 dis is brüno => http://assets.gearlive.com/filmcrunch/blogimages/bruno.jpg Aug 16 12:54:29 :p Aug 16 12:54:35 is that in the emulator ? Aug 16 12:54:45 yes Aug 16 12:54:46 the youtube vid Aug 16 12:54:47 cant you see? :p Aug 16 12:54:53 neat... Aug 16 12:54:55 yeap Aug 16 12:55:17 i thought opengles was something in the hardware Aug 16 12:55:19 on the phones Aug 16 12:55:24 that would make it a little faster... Aug 16 12:55:30 and not software... Aug 16 12:56:00 err? :p Aug 16 12:56:09 nm :) Aug 16 12:56:29 still cant emulate the stroids particles though ;p Aug 16 12:56:30 stickyman? Aug 16 12:56:33 haha Aug 16 12:56:41 you mad that? Aug 16 12:56:44 made Aug 16 12:57:00 made what? Aug 16 12:57:15 stickman - super mario Aug 16 12:57:55 not me :p Aug 16 12:58:20 someone with alot of time to waste ;) Aug 16 12:59:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpWM0FNPZSs Aug 16 12:59:53 check this out Aug 16 13:00:06 seen that already :p Aug 16 13:00:30 its pretty neat Aug 16 13:04:22 how about this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvVh0_ZelI Aug 16 13:04:25 ? Aug 16 13:05:11 seen it Aug 16 13:05:11 ;p Aug 16 14:19:51 Dumb question, on mac can we acces java6 ? Aug 16 14:40:02 hi, I've tried to use Japanese in some label, but boxes appeared in the editor, is it wrong fonts or lack of support for kanji? Aug 16 14:57:37 hi all Aug 16 16:28:58 Is it possible to see what in my code (if anything) is causing GC? Aug 16 16:29:20 ddms Aug 16 16:29:29 hmm, I'll look it up :) Aug 16 16:29:31 thanks Aug 16 16:29:35 np Aug 16 16:29:53 oh there's a nifty little tab there in eclipse.. I wondered what that was Aug 16 16:30:15 dont use that one Aug 16 16:30:20 its in your sdk' tools folder Aug 16 16:30:32 Oh.. ok Aug 16 16:30:43 you might have to shut down eclipse or pull out-in the usb cable plenty of times befoer your apps shows ni the list :p Aug 16 16:30:47 it has 'issues' :p Aug 16 16:31:47 So, would I be looking at the "allocations" area, I guess? Aug 16 16:32:12 yup Aug 16 16:32:19 allocation tracker Aug 16 16:32:22 start tracking Aug 16 16:32:32 wait a while, and then get allocations Aug 16 16:32:35 it'll show what kind / where Aug 16 16:34:03 where can i find source code for the dialog : "No Network Connection" "The page will continue loading after connection has been restored" "OK" Button Aug 16 16:34:24 aunn: its in browser Aug 16 16:34:38 jasta , thx Aug 16 16:34:41 grep for the string in res/values/strings.xml, then grep for the identifier in the source Aug 16 16:34:56 ah .... yeh Aug 16 16:41:53 what is the best way to preventing opening your application multiple times, if i push the back button and then reopen my app i want it to be restored from where i was. Aug 16 16:42:15 cage: normally android does this for you Aug 16 16:42:22 you must be doing something wrong if thats not happening Aug 16 16:43:33 cage: what in particular did you want to be restored? Aug 16 16:45:35 well i use viewflipper Aug 16 16:46:01 and lets say im'in view 3 and then push the back button, it goes to the android home screen Aug 16 16:46:12 if i reopen the app, it should put me back to view 3 no? Aug 16 16:51:31 cage: well, no. Aug 16 16:51:35 not if you press "back" Aug 16 16:51:54 why not then Aug 16 16:51:55 "back" is how you reverse state Aug 16 16:52:03 pressing home, and then returning that way, would keep your state Aug 16 16:52:11 ah let me try Aug 16 16:52:11 that said, you can force your app to save state arbitrarily if you want Aug 16 16:52:28 "back" triggers onDestroy, btw, so the whole thing is going down Aug 16 16:52:44 ah great, so i just catch the back buton? Aug 16 16:52:46 button Aug 16 16:52:51 you could save some state about your UI during onStop if you are so inclined and restore it no matter what in onCreate Aug 16 16:52:58 no, do NOT catch the back button Aug 16 16:53:14 but it has a musicplayer that plays, how do i stop it else? Aug 16 16:53:35 cage: you need to use a service if you want the music to continue playing while the activities are not displayed Aug 16 16:53:44 such as for example how the Music app does it :) Aug 16 16:53:58 ah i'vé read about that, so i just move all my controls to a service? Aug 16 16:54:08 no, its not that simple Aug 16 16:54:31 you have to be careful to do things correctly when implementing a service Aug 16 16:54:40 look at the Music app source code as a reference Aug 16 16:55:09 is it possible to intercept another app's disk io? Aug 16 16:55:16 is that in the sdk? Aug 16 16:55:50 ewon: what? Aug 16 16:55:54 cage: android.git.kernel.org Aug 16 16:56:59 jasta: actuakky, I just figured it out, thanks anyway Aug 16 16:57:29 cage: btw, i doubt very much that you want a viewswitcher for your ui rather than multiple activities Aug 16 16:57:44 androids backstack wont help you like it should if you use a viewswitcher to implement your whole ui Aug 16 16:57:56 kind of a silly way to break android :) Aug 16 16:58:15 well its my first app, so i was guessing so much i was doing everything wrong Aug 16 16:58:16 :p Aug 16 16:58:52 anyone know how to turn of predictive text input on a htc hero, its driving me insane Aug 16 16:59:08 or change it so that it doesnt pick something automatically when i type Aug 16 17:02:33 jasta, the music player code is not friendly for beginners :) Aug 16 17:02:41 read it until you understand :) Aug 16 17:04:06 git should have syntax highlighting Aug 16 17:05:21 no, it really should not Aug 16 17:05:39 shht Aug 16 17:06:09 damnit i really like android Aug 16 17:26:03 cage: why is that damnit? Aug 16 17:27:40 because i really like making this app, but damnit because documentation lacks for noobs Aug 16 17:33:59 cage: its not that the documentation is lacking, its that youre not willing to appreciate that mobile development is much more complicated than you initially thought Aug 16 17:34:07 just turn your brain on, go slow, and you'll figur eit all out Aug 16 17:34:20 well also, documentation is a bit lacking :) Aug 16 17:37:40 Anyone can help me with Bluetooth? Aug 16 17:37:47 L2CAPSockets? Aug 16 17:38:29 don't ask to ask just ask Aug 16 17:38:53 I asked :-) Aug 16 17:39:01 i answered Aug 16 17:39:25 Have you used RfCommsockets? Aug 16 17:39:53 even if I had, i'm not into the 20 questions game today Aug 16 17:40:03 Instead, Has anyone used BluetoothSocket? Do we need a rooted device for that? Aug 16 17:40:21 jasta: heheh Aug 16 17:40:25 Wow, what is the game all about? Aug 16 17:40:40 20 questions, is that your limit per day? :P Aug 16 17:41:54 cage: there is this general assumption that somehow because the device is small and the apps are typically simple that mobile development is much easier than desktop or server development Aug 16 17:42:26 but this is just not true. the requirements are much more strict, and the probability of error is much higher Aug 16 17:43:26 slower processor, less memory, more likely catastrophic failures, etc Aug 16 17:43:36 and, one of the worst limitations, the battery :) Aug 16 17:44:12 so like i said, just take it slow and learn to do things the right way Aug 16 17:44:21 reading google's sources are a great way to do just that Aug 16 17:46:08 yes i know, its going slow but gradualy. the api examples are also a great help Aug 16 17:47:37 so jasta, did you make any nice apps? Aug 16 17:47:48 hehe, a few. Aug 16 17:47:56 i work for t-mobile btw, on android. Aug 16 17:49:07 hey as long as the My Account app doesn't break again because tmo thinks my rom isn't tmo, i'm fine :P Aug 16 17:49:24 i didnt work on that app ;) Aug 16 17:49:37 cage: i also wrote http://five.googlecode.com, and am still working on it Aug 16 18:02:17 jasta: can you tell me whether the bluetoothsocket can be used without a rooted device? Aug 16 18:02:45 i have no idea Aug 16 18:02:53 why not just look into the source and figure it out? Aug 16 18:03:14 How?? I looked into source. But cant figure out whether it works on rooted device only :-) Aug 16 18:04:03 how can you not figure it out? Aug 16 18:22:03 jasta, is there a windows client? Aug 16 18:22:10 sorry i mean windows server Aug 16 18:22:10 to what? Aug 16 18:22:15 to five Aug 16 18:22:18 no, im working on a java rewrite fo the server as we speak Aug 16 18:31:22 hi, is there any chance to manipulate the voice stream during a phone call, either by patching/rewriting the ril oder by the java api? Aug 16 18:35:57 argh, what the hell. gerrit wont let me push for some reason Aug 16 18:36:06 just keep getting permission denied (publickey) from ssh Aug 16 18:39:13 there we go Aug 16 18:39:25 had the username wrong :) Aug 16 18:39:37 SUBMITTING_PATCHES in repo should be updated to make mention of that i think Aug 16 18:52:38 jasta, I am really not able to see whether I will need a rooted device for using BluetoothSocket. Aug 16 18:52:52 Since I dont have a device right now, So thats a another problem. Aug 16 18:53:08 Is there anyone working on Bluetooth support for android emulator? Aug 16 18:56:44 hi Aug 16 18:56:53 anyone alive... Aug 16 18:57:00 nope Aug 16 18:57:03 I am dead :P Aug 16 18:57:05 need help badlyy Aug 16 18:57:33 i have 1 activty and fromn there i create another ativity and want to call function of the seconds activity from the first activity Aug 16 18:57:46 but i dont know how to get refernece to the second activty Aug 16 18:58:13 xbxice, can't do that Aug 16 18:58:32 oh Aug 16 18:58:53 so how can i modft data of 1 activity from another Aug 16 18:58:58 modify Aug 16 18:59:23 send extras in intent if you need to trigger something on create Aug 16 19:00:00 i have a thread and i want to update my activity when stuff happen in the thread Aug 16 19:00:22 so i need the thread to call functons in the activity Aug 16 19:01:35 ex the activty have int _nContacts; Aug 16 19:01:55 and in some point the thread get the info from the web and i need to update the activity class Aug 16 19:02:28 how can my thread access the activity ? Aug 16 19:04:47 :/ should be a way Aug 16 19:04:49 post messaged to the activity Aug 16 19:04:54 how ? Aug 16 19:05:43 Intent intent =new Intent(iLogin.this,ContactScreen.class) Aug 16 19:05:49 startActivityForResult(intent, ACTIVITY_CREATE); Aug 16 19:05:56 use a handler in the activity, pass to the thread... postmessage on handler Aug 16 19:05:57 this is how i create my second activty Aug 16 19:06:45 nexo can u should me simple example it will be great help Aug 16 19:07:11 if i wll really able to have such handler and to post messages it will fix all Aug 16 19:07:24 but how i pass such handler to the thread Aug 16 19:07:53 I am on my phone right now, so can't really give example Aug 16 19:08:05 thx Aug 16 19:08:23 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html Aug 16 19:09:47 great i wll take a look ! Aug 16 19:13:22 but even if i create Handler messageHandler = new Handler() in my second activity Aug 16 19:13:52 how can my thread that running fronm the first activity can call it Aug 16 19:15:53 you really shouldn't be using two activities if the depend on each other like this Aug 16 19:17:04 your first activity should pause when the second activity starts, that's how android works Aug 16 19:19:21 ok i see your point but what if i do ths Aug 16 19:19:34 ConnectThread _connectThread; declare in my first activity Aug 16 19:19:50 and when someone click a button i do Aug 16 19:19:51 _connectThread= new ConnectThread(); Aug 16 19:19:59 _connectThread.start(); Aug 16 19:20:25 how can my thread access the handler that is declare in the activity Aug 16 19:21:40 I use a helper class that takes a handler in the constructor and the creates the thread and reports back to the handler Aug 16 19:22:06 i see Aug 16 19:22:39 I need to find a good free irc client for vista... Aug 16 19:26:38 ah, yay... no longer on my phone Aug 16 19:28:31 this is horrible there is no way to pass my messageHandler member to the thread class by refernce Aug 16 19:28:46 so i will be able to post messages Aug 16 19:31:54 OK, what you probably should do is this... Create a simple class... that takes a Handler as a final parameter on the constructor, create an instance of that class and pass in the Handler from the activity. then start the thread. In the run method, you can then access the handler that you passed in to the helper class and post messages to your hearts delight Aug 16 19:33:06 this might not be the best way but it works for me Aug 16 19:34:00 I should figure out this pastebin thing and give a code example... Aug 16 19:34:47 but this will be pass the member by value and not by refernce Aug 16 19:35:04 trust me, it works Aug 16 19:35:46 so all i need to do is to add 1 member functon to my public class ConnectThread extends Thread that get 1 param handler from the activity Aug 16 19:36:18 and i will be able to post messages to my activity Aug 16 19:36:48 Yes Aug 16 19:38:12 thats solve 1 issue when i create thread from the first actvity and i can share data between them BUT when i create the second activity how can i tell my thread about handler there Aug 16 19:38:48 cause my _ConnectThread _connectThread; declate only in the first activty Aug 16 19:39:11 and i can do something like _connectThread.setHandler( from my second actvity Aug 16 19:39:33 *cant Aug 16 19:40:08 no, activities cannot access each other's members... are you certain that you need two activities for this? Aug 16 19:41:18 xbxice, why do you want to share data? Cant you have the thread post messages to the handler in the activity telling it what to do? Aug 16 19:41:18 no need for my 2 activities to access each others members BUT i want my thread to be able to access my active activty members Aug 16 19:41:37 with its own members... Aug 16 19:41:43 the thread belongs to the activity that created it Aug 16 19:42:32 ok this is what happen first i have 1 activity login screen and when someone push button its create thread class and do the network stuff Aug 16 19:42:55 in sone pont of the TCP/P session login was OK so i need to switch screen to the contact screen Aug 16 19:43:07 Change content, yes Aug 16 19:43:15 and to be able to modiy the data of the new activity from the thread Aug 16 19:43:39 Why do you want to do that? Cant you pass on recieved data from the thread via the handler? Aug 16 19:43:45 and have the activity to the thinking? Aug 16 19:43:54 recieved tcp data, that is Aug 16 19:44:07 to=do Aug 16 19:44:19 just an idea Aug 16 19:44:27 i am going to walk the dog now, bbiab Aug 16 19:44:39 noooo wait little more :) Aug 16 19:44:45 i will be back in 15 mins Aug 16 19:44:47 patience Aug 16 19:44:49 brb Aug 16 19:44:49 kk Aug 16 19:46:37 I really think that you should look into having your login and contact screen be part of the same activity Aug 16 19:51:15 how its possible Aug 16 19:51:22 i wish could do that Aug 16 19:51:26 it will be the BEST Aug 16 19:51:38 how can i modify the screen content Aug 16 19:52:58 dont tell me just doing setContentView will works ? Aug 16 19:53:41 now that i think about it if it will work i can just have 1 Activity 1 thread and write entire IM app like this ... Aug 16 19:53:48 I don't think setContentView will work after onCreate... though I have never tried it, to be honest. Aug 16 19:54:19 so how will i be able to chanage the content screen from login to contacts list Aug 16 19:56:15 you could include them both in the same layout, and show the appropriate one at the appropriate time Aug 16 19:57:03 too much mess Aug 16 19:57:03 hmm, I just tried setContentView from a button clicklistener and it changed my contentview just fine Aug 16 19:57:10 Hey everyone, does anyone know where I can find info on defining a bitmap in xml? Aug 16 19:59:18 Defining a bitmap in xml? Aug 16 19:59:22 You can have two different layout files Aug 16 19:59:26 if you like, xbxice Aug 16 19:59:45 and just calling setContentView ? Aug 16 19:59:55 to switch view Aug 16 20:00:07 that works for me Aug 16 20:00:23 yeap Aug 16 20:00:25 just make sure you don't hold references to the old views Aug 16 20:00:25 thats the idea Aug 16 20:00:49 how can i make sure that i dont hold ref ? Aug 16 20:01:17 oh i see what you mean Aug 16 20:02:06 so should i write the IM app with just 1 activity and to use swtch content Aug 16 20:02:21 or for every screen content new actvity Aug 16 20:02:27 what will be the best way Aug 16 20:03:03 well, depends Aug 16 20:03:17 personally I'd use separate activities for certain things. Aug 16 20:03:53 viewing a persons profile for example might be a separate activity Aug 16 20:03:58 yes it will make the code clean Aug 16 20:04:19 but there is soo much issue when it come to share data Aug 16 20:04:26 between activity Aug 16 20:04:43 what types of things are you wanting to share? Aug 16 20:05:05 you can use static global variables if need be... Aug 16 20:05:08 data struct that declare in my ContactScreen extends ExpandableListActivity Aug 16 20:05:16 that reprent the contact Aug 16 20:05:25 represnt Aug 16 20:06:29 so i create that ContactScreen from the first activty but no way to be able to modify the content of it from the thread that was created by the first activity Aug 16 20:06:53 ContactScreen is... the contacts "profile"? Aug 16 20:07:17 contactscreen is the main contact list Aug 16 20:07:35 contacts Aug 16 20:07:37 what is the first activity? The login screen? Aug 16 20:07:42 yes Aug 16 20:08:16 and the login activity create the thread that do TCP/ip job Aug 16 20:09:06 and when login is success i display the second actvity but i dont have way to call its function to populate the contact list names that came from the thread Aug 16 20:09:39 you don't want to use a database to store this sort of thing? Aug 16 20:09:55 no Aug 16 20:10:00 why? Aug 16 20:10:12 out of curiosity... Aug 16 20:10:14 what u mean by database ? Aug 16 20:10:32 sqlite? Aug 16 20:10:52 if someone status chanage to away i want to update the contact list screen Aug 16 20:11:01 no need database for such operation Aug 16 20:11:32 all i want it so call functon in the second actvty from the thread Aug 16 20:11:44 can't do that Aug 16 20:12:51 have you looked at the android IM app for guidance? Aug 16 20:13:33 http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/IM.git;a=summary Aug 16 20:15:30 if i cant do that what the hell i can do Aug 16 20:15:41 wow writing for the iPhone was sooo easy Aug 16 20:16:03 you wrote this same app for iphone? Aug 16 20:16:31 yes in less then a month all fine Aug 16 20:16:47 I can't comment on the ease of iphone vs android because I've never desired to develop iphone apps Aug 16 20:17:01 trust me way easier Aug 16 20:17:01 and how long have you been working on it for android? Aug 16 20:17:12 few days Aug 16 20:17:49 ok, so you've still got nearly a month till you hit your iphone dev time, lol Aug 16 20:20:01 I'd look at the Android IM app I linked before, and go from there... Get a feel for how this sort of thing has been done in Android, and maybe take some snippets or ideas from there Aug 16 20:20:19 yep Aug 16 20:20:55 and look into AIDL - which appears to be used a lot in the standard android IM Aug 16 20:22:29 I'm probably not able to offer anything more really Aug 16 20:22:41 thx for all Aug 16 20:24:27 Has anyone else faced the "Could not find the drawable resource matching value" error event though the app runs fine on the emulator? Aug 16 20:26:18 You know what ignore I just found the solution Aug 16 20:28:02 But the solution brings me to the question, what is the difference between say @drawable/ and @+drawable Aug 16 20:28:21 don't use @+drawable Aug 16 20:28:27 haha Aug 16 20:28:37 that's kinda meanlingless Aug 16 20:28:41 I'm actually surprised it works Aug 16 20:29:04 nice to see you here romainguy :) Aug 16 20:29:37 hey romain guy, I just been reading you post on Google Groups :-P Aug 16 20:29:54 <_avatar> xbxice: if you're doing something that maintains a persistent connection it should probably be in a Service. your different Activities can bind to the same service instance and communicate via aidl remote interfaces Aug 16 20:30:05 The thing is it works with the + when compiled, but eclipse kicks up saying it can't find the resource Aug 16 20:30:28 yes because it generates a new drawable id Aug 16 20:31:46 add in the plus and its fine, but what I was wondering is, I'm defining a tilable bitmap in xml, and the src of that bitmap is the problem, only thing I was wondering is if a new drawable needs to be defined and your not defining as being in the android:drawable= way as you would in your layout xml file Aug 16 20:33:19 no Aug 16 20:33:27 drawables are defined because they exist in the drawable directory Aug 16 20:33:28 that's all Aug 16 20:33:48 I dunno if that even makes sense but I'm just trying to think why it makes a difference Aug 16 20:34:09 nexo may have idea Aug 16 20:34:14 I just told you Aug 16 20:34:16 it generates a new id Aug 16 20:34:23 which may point to an existing drawable or not Aug 16 20:34:36 in my second activity i will call Aug 16 20:35:05 getIntent().putExtra("handle", _handler); Aug 16 20:35:18 and from the first activity that create the threa i will call Aug 16 20:35:32 I doubt a handler can be passed as an intent extra Aug 16 20:35:39 So is there any harm in generating a new ID? Aug 16 20:35:42 i see Aug 16 20:36:12 you can try it... though I wouldn't expect it would work Aug 16 20:36:21 handler is type Object Aug 16 20:36:29 gauntface: yes because you might be pointing to a non existent resource Aug 16 20:36:37 just don't use + when referring a drawable Aug 16 20:36:39 so lets see if getExtra can return Object Aug 16 20:37:23 <_avatar> you can't pass arbitrary objects between contexts using intents. they have to be basic types, or implement Parcelable Aug 16 20:37:38 Okies that makes sense, I'll just do this is code, it seems like this may be a little hiccup in the eclipse plugin Aug 16 20:37:46 <_avatar> xbxice: you really need to use a service to accomplish what you're after. Aug 16 20:38:06 I agree, services are your friend Aug 16 20:38:59 ok i will read about services Aug 16 20:39:15 Thanks for chatting with me romainguy Aug 16 20:39:19 np Aug 16 20:39:25 :-) Aug 16 20:40:11 hey romainguy, while you are here... do you know about the ellipsize function? Aug 16 20:40:17 yes Aug 16 20:40:21 the thing is that servces made for inter process communication Aug 16 20:40:38 and just want to do communication in my OWN process Aug 16 20:40:40 do you know why it ellipsizes paragraphs at 2 lines? Aug 16 20:40:50 no clue Aug 16 20:40:55 not between processess Aug 16 20:41:04 <_avatar> xbxice: i don't think it's "made for interprocess communication." that just happens to be one of its features Aug 16 20:41:13 i see Aug 16 20:41:59 it's very strange, it will ellipsize each paragraph at two lines even if you set max lines to 4, or 3, etc... Aug 16 20:42:35 I hacked out my own ellipsize function but it's not very clean unfortunately Aug 16 20:42:45 max lines does not affect this Aug 16 20:42:58 it's probably just a limitation/bug of the current implementation Aug 16 20:43:38 hey romain Aug 16 20:43:47 hoy Aug 16 20:43:53 ah, ok, I tried to figure out where the problem might be but I just gave up and reimplemented lol Aug 16 20:45:21 romainguy: ive spent half my day fighting with t-mobile's stupid vpn setup so i can actually be productive at home :\ Aug 16 20:45:30 not time well spent i feel Aug 16 20:49:59 I hate VPNs :) Aug 16 20:51:08