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Feb 25 03:12:35 <drezel> oh man, it was so nice in California today
Feb 25 03:12:52 <drezel> over 70 degrees here.  sat outside during lunch in a t-shirt
Feb 25 03:17:12 <QubeZ> bastard
Feb 25 03:17:45 <QubeZ> it was 20's here and now i think in teen's
Feb 25 03:19:47 <readme> QubeZ: it was 70 degrees here in Massachusetts
Feb 25 03:20:05 <readme> IN MY APARTMENT, ho oh ho.
Feb 25 03:20:14 <QubeZ> hehe
Feb 25 03:20:26 <QubeZ> i'll be in Mass. in March for some training
Feb 25 03:20:38 <QubeZ> RSA Security
Feb 25 03:23:26 <t0mless> drezel stop generalizing
Feb 25 03:23:30 <t0mless> I'm in california
Feb 25 03:23:38 <t0mless> it was 34 degrees this morning
Feb 25 03:23:57 <t0mless> Though the high was 50, so that was nicer
Feb 25 03:24:12 <QubeZ> hey guys, i really need some more beta tests for To Do Mapr, interested? www.todomapr.com.
Feb 25 03:25:38 <QubeZ> s/tests/testers
Feb 25 03:27:35 <hwrd|work> I'm just sayin you could do better
Feb 25 03:27:49 <hwrd|work> mt
Feb 25 03:28:03 <QubeZ> mt?
Feb 25 03:28:36 <drezel> mistell
Feb 25 03:28:53 <QubeZ> what that intended for me?
Feb 25 03:28:57 <drezel> nope
Feb 25 03:29:00 <QubeZ> ahh ok
Feb 25 03:29:15 <hwrd|work> nien
Feb 25 03:29:58 <QubeZ> To Do Mapr still has a long way to go, I'd like some beta testers to help drive ideas and find bugs. It's a free app and will always remain free. We'll be deploying web services for premium sharing features but app itself will always be free.
Feb 25 03:44:14 <mrenouf> readme, where abouts?
Feb 25 03:44:24 <mrenouf> <-- also in Mass.
Feb 25 03:48:40 <zhongfu> QubeZ,  To Do Mapr?
Feb 25 03:49:34 <mrenouf> sounds like a task list with a map
Feb 25 03:49:41 <mrenouf> ? *shrug*
Feb 25 03:49:56 <mrenouf> he posted a URL
Feb 25 03:50:20 <QubeZ> ya www.todomapr.com
Feb 25 03:50:43 <QubeZ> there are tutorial videos on the site and in-app streamed via the Menu option
Feb 25 03:50:53 <QubeZ> there is an activity with all 13 videos so you can learn the app quickly
Feb 25 03:51:07 <mrenouf> Uhh
Feb 25 03:51:18 <mrenouf> Who has time to watch 13 videos to learn an app?
Feb 25 03:51:37 <QubeZ> we just made that for real beginners, they 1 min each for the most part
Feb 25 03:51:47 <QubeZ> most people will figure it out just fine
Feb 25 03:52:03 <mrenouf> Ahh, yeah. I was gonna say, the UI really needs to be intuitive
Feb 25 03:52:37 <mrenouf> usually just putting in gentle callouts on first-use is plenty (like Android 4.0 does)
Feb 25 03:52:55 <QubeZ> mrenouf: we have that in our first run tutorial but again, who knows, some users just like videos
Feb 25 03:53:02 <QubeZ> so we added it just to cover our bases
Feb 25 03:53:11 <mrenouf> is this your full-time gig?
Feb 25 03:53:24 <QubeZ> no, im a security analyst for united health care full-time
Feb 25 03:53:32 <QubeZ> and so i script/code at work but not android/java
Feb 25 03:53:44 <QubeZ> this was all on the side (6 months)
Feb 25 03:53:58 <mrenouf> ahh
Feb 25 03:59:24 <QubeZ> well play with it and provide us some feedback on FB, contact form or forums on the website. I'd appreciate it.
Feb 25 03:59:59 <QubeZ> There is still a lot of work to do, hopefully the users keep sending in bug reports and requests to drive improvements.
Feb 25 04:00:21 <QubeZ> catch you all later
Feb 25 04:00:46 <zhongfu> o.o
Feb 25 04:01:15 <zhongfu> QubeZ: maybe i'll try it on my gnex, thanks
Feb 25 04:01:54 <QubeZ> np, have fun with it and report any issues please.
Feb 25 04:04:02 <zhongfu> k
Feb 25 04:04:42 <QubeZ> will need to put out some updates for ICS. So let me know how your experience is on that OS and Phone.
Feb 25 04:04:46 <zhongfu> k
Feb 25 04:04:53 <QubeZ> I know it works on ICS, I have an HTC Incredible running it but I have a menu button
Feb 25 04:04:54 <zhongfu> is it on the android market?
Feb 25 04:05:06 <QubeZ> zhongfu: not yet, just through the website for now to keep the user base small.
Feb 25 04:05:14 <zhongfu> hmm, k
Feb 25 04:05:31 <zhongfu> QubeZ, on the Galaxy Nexus, it displays a small menu button when necessary
Feb 25 04:05:39 <zhongfu> but i enabled the large menu button
Feb 25 04:05:44 <QubeZ> will be out in the market in 2-3 weeks
Feb 25 04:05:46 <zhongfu> so my navigation bar has back, home, recents, menu
Feb 25 04:05:49 <QubeZ> zhongfu: cool
Feb 25 04:06:15 <QubeZ> it's a really unique app and although there is much work to be done, I am quite proud of what it does.
Feb 25 04:06:23 <QubeZ> Very stable too... I tested the shit out of it.
Feb 25 04:07:07 <QubeZ> Alright pizza is getting cold. Catch you all later.
Feb 25 04:07:36 <zhongfu> HOLY SHIT
Feb 25 04:07:40 <zhongfu> 326 SPAM
Feb 25 04:07:46 <zhongfu> 35 INBOX
Feb 25 04:07:50 <zhongfu> WHAT THE HECK IS THIS SOCERY
Feb 25 04:08:54 <dragorn> QubeZ: interesting; I don't facebook however so...
Feb 25 04:13:36 <zhongfu> dragorn, i'm pretty sure he'll accept feedback on irc
Feb 25 04:14:23 <dragorn> zhongfu: he will, and is.  I'm just curmudgeonly and dont' do facebook, I'm sure it's an excellent tactic for 99% of the target audience
Feb 25 04:16:42 <zhongfu> dragorn, yep
Feb 25 04:56:26 <ron_frown> weenas
Feb 25 05:23:29 <hwrd|work> how can i remove a menu option from the action bar at runtime?
Feb 25 05:29:03 <hwrd|work> nvm, figured it out
Feb 25 05:49:56 <blue_pearl> hi anyone knows any alternate way to pay developer fees rather then using a credit card?
Feb 25 05:52:09 <freecandy> Mountain Dew?
Feb 25 06:05:59 <factor> Anyone know where I can get some code for working with a serial port.
Feb 25 06:06:09 <factor> demo project or something
Feb 25 06:23:32 <t0mless> weeeee for new blog posts
Feb 25 06:52:20 <docgnome> what's the convention for naming Activities? Like if you have an Activity where you are going to display a duck, would you name it ShowDuck or Duck or...?
Feb 25 06:53:18 <freecandy> DuckThreadDuckFactoryGoose
Feb 25 06:54:18 <zhongfu> activity9.showFuck
Feb 25 06:54:18 <zhongfu> Duck*
Feb 25 06:58:09 <docgnome> -_-
Feb 25 07:00:15 <davidwan> hi
Feb 25 07:01:04 <davidwan> When I'm trying to debug some android opengles app with eclipse, I get an out-of-memory exception.
Feb 25 07:01:14 <davidwan> This is the call-stack for it:
Feb 25 07:01:18 <davidwan> BinderInternal$GcWatcher.finalize() line: 48	
Feb 25 07:01:20 <davidwan> NativeStart.run() line: not available [native method]	
Feb 25 07:01:53 <davidwan> It won't happen when I run it on the android device without eclipse debuging.
Feb 25 07:02:18 <davidwan> Anyone knows anything about that?
Feb 25 07:56:22 <t0mless> Have I mentioned that Styles/Themes are confusing as fuck
Feb 25 10:12:18 <starlon> Is it possible to take a layout defined in XML and modify its contents at runtime?
Feb 25 10:12:57 <starlon> How would you reference the layout's views?
Feb 25 10:14:03 <storkme> view.findviewbyid
Feb 25 10:15:01 <t0mless> O.O @ the giant amount of info output by adb bugreport
Feb 25 10:15:14 <starlon> storkme: How do I know a view's id?
Feb 25 10:15:20 <t0mless> you assign it in xml
Feb 25 10:15:25 <starlon> Or how do I assign it?
Feb 25 10:15:29 <starlon> android:id?
Feb 25 10:15:32 <t0mless> android:id="@+id/myID"
Feb 25 10:15:37 <starlon> thanks
Feb 25 10:23:42 <napster> Do anyone here uses singleton pattern in Android? I've to maintain a global system state using an object. I have a few questions to ask about it...
Feb 25 10:42:49 <napster> Do anyone here uses singleton pattern in Android? I've to maintain a global system state using an object. I have a few questions to ask about it...
Feb 25 10:45:34 <storkme> maybe you should ask again
Feb 25 10:48:23 <alankila> I've used Application subclass as the singleton
Feb 25 10:48:48 <jameslord> hi all
Feb 25 10:49:06 <alankila> this bugger gets made first before other objects are called (except at some rare situations, apparently), so it's a natural place to place something that looks like application-wide state. Couple this with a dummy service that forces android to not kill your app at inconvenient time, and you have it made
Feb 25 10:49:23 <jameslord> why ln -s operation is not permitted when using adb shell
Feb 25 10:50:19 <alankila> jameslord: maybe not supported on filesystem, or you don't have permissions
Feb 25 10:50:20 <jameslord> help:)
Feb 25 10:50:31 <alankila> vfat, for instance, has no symlinks.
Feb 25 10:50:56 <jameslord> alankila dude, i want to add full tool statck to android:)
Feb 25 10:52:36 <kanelbulle> I'm having an issue where getFragmentManager() sometimes returns null. it seems to happen when I click around in the app (causing a fragments to be popped and created rapidly). does anyone have any idea why?
Feb 25 10:54:26 <alankila> could the fragment have had its onDestroy called or something
Feb 25 11:02:52 <Gaz`> anyone know how i get the outlines of views etc to hsow in the eclipse layout editor, sure it used to be exploded view or something
Feb 25 11:04:30 <jameslord> how to make adb shell support auto complete?
Feb 25 11:11:00 <mots> hey
Feb 25 11:11:06 <mots> which format does ContactsContract.CommonDataKinds.Event.START_DATE use?
Feb 25 11:11:08 <kanelbulle> alankila: hm that might be it.. i'll investigate, thanks
Feb 25 11:11:29 <mots> the only information I found is http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/b6946e0c805b6591 but even that seems a bit unclaer
Feb 25 11:11:34 <mots> *unclear
Feb 25 11:14:11 <Bacta> Ok this is starting to get annoying. How can I force a reinstall of my app everytime I debug it on my device?
Feb 25 11:14:21 <Bacta> All the settings I find relate to virtual devices
Feb 25 11:17:36 <mgj> Bacta, it _IS_ reinstalled when you debug it on your device
Feb 25 11:17:46 <mgj> no?
Feb 25 11:17:50 <storkme> yeah
Feb 25 11:18:11 <t432> Do you have only on AsyncTask per Activity class or is normal to have multiple?
Feb 25 11:18:11 <storkme> well, only if files have changed
Feb 25 11:18:19 <t432> is it*
Feb 25 11:19:14 <mgj> I dont see the problem of having multiple, if you need them
Feb 25 11:19:26 <mgj> but perhaps a service would suit you better?
Feb 25 11:19:27 <napster> storkme: alankila Well, I experimented and found answers to my question. Thanks anyway
Feb 25 11:20:03 <storkme> you didnt ask a question
Feb 25 11:29:12 <luci1093> hello peopleI got a problem , can you help me ?
Feb 25 11:30:28 <luci1093> anyone here ?
Feb 25 11:32:00 <Bacta> mgj: Doesn't appear so
Feb 25 11:32:30 <luci1093> :(
Feb 25 11:32:37 <luci1093> and I need help with a problem :|
Feb 25 11:32:43 <mgj> Bacta, well, you can always do 'adb uninstall com.example.whatever' i guess
Feb 25 11:32:49 <mgj> before debugging
Feb 25 11:33:46 <mgj> luci1093, ask your question. dont ask to ask
Feb 25 11:33:48 <storkme> try asing the question
Feb 25 11:34:28 <luci1093> well , I'm stil llearning android and I made some kind of program with a list where I add the other programs I make (like a menu)
Feb 25 11:34:47 <luci1093> the problem is that my 1st aplication gives an error and it forces me to close
Feb 25 11:35:02 <luci1093> but the other 2 I made (at the moment) work ok
Feb 25 11:35:13 <luci1093> here's the logcat http://pastesite.com/32057
Feb 25 11:35:20 <t432> I need to create a new thread for every object, im not sure if AsyncTask is appropiate or the the standard Java Runnable Interface?
Feb 25 11:36:08 <t432> AysnTask only create on thread and all tasks are executed in that thread, correct?
Feb 25 11:36:13 <t432> one*
Feb 25 11:36:48 <storkme> asynctask is useful in that it provides easy callback methods for doing stuff on thecui thread with the result of the background computation
Feb 25 11:37:20 <storkme> its just a small wrapper around runnable really; check the src
Feb 25 11:39:28 <Bacta> Is it possible to define a string of tuples in strings.xml?
Feb 25 12:00:16 <luci1093> I got a problem ... I'm stil llearning android and I made some kind of program with a list where I add the other programs I make (like a menu) ...... the problem is that my 1st aplication gives an error and it forces me to close, but the other 2 I made (at the moment) work ok ........  here's the logcat http://pastesite.com/32057
Feb 25 12:00:20 <luci1093> need help pls :)
Feb 25 12:11:08 <mgj> luci1093, have you declared your activity in your manifest?
Feb 25 12:16:51 <luci1093> yes
Feb 25 12:17:18 <luci1093> it worked when I used it normally without that menu
Feb 25 12:17:56 <luci1093> actually I had the same problem with it when I launched it trough another program I made but I solved that problem
Feb 25 12:18:22 <luci1093> now i don't know why it's doing that ... especially when I see the other applications working
Feb 25 12:22:33 <luci1093> so none knows what's the problem with my program ? :(the logcat http://pastesite.com/32057)
Feb 25 12:24:43 <chaozer> luci1093, the log explains it quite well
Feb 25 12:25:06 <alankila> yes, a nullpointerexception on certain line
Feb 25 12:25:14 <alankila> TextPlay.java line 43.
Feb 25 12:25:17 <alankila> can't get better than that
Feb 25 12:26:08 <chaozer> :)
Feb 25 12:26:11 <luci1093> well I don't actually get it .... I'm still learing
Feb 25 12:26:25 <luci1093> the thing is ...
Feb 25 12:26:31 <mrenouf> luci1093, also paste source for "startingPoint.java"
Feb 25 12:26:41 <luci1093> ok 1 sec
Feb 25 12:27:01 <mrenouf> also, always name classes (java files) starting with a Captial
Feb 25 12:27:07 <mrenouf> *capital
Feb 25 12:27:09 <luci1093> http://pastesite.com/32060
Feb 25 12:27:41 <luci1093> idk , my application is a menu with the other aplications I made
Feb 25 12:27:49 <mrenouf> you haven't initialize "Button sub;" yet.
Feb 25 12:27:53 <luci1093> all of them work exept the startingPoint
Feb 25 12:27:57 <mrenouf> Line 22 is likely the mistake
Feb 25 12:28:10 <mrenouf> you probably meant to write "sub = " ?
Feb 25 12:28:41 <chaozer> mrenouf, most likely ;)
Feb 25 12:29:12 <luci1093> bAdd and bSub refer to the buttons in the main.xml
Feb 25 12:29:39 <chaozer> luci1093, as a small tip... install the PMD plugin for eclipse (if that's what you are using), it will help you learn good java style.
Feb 25 12:30:24 <luci1093> ye , I'm using eclipse ... and I pretty much learnt java before starting android ...
Feb 25 12:30:24 <mrenouf> luci1093, change line 22 to: "sub = (Button) findViewById(R.id.bSub);"
Feb 25 12:30:29 <chaozer> luci1093, because there are several things "wrong" with that source code :)... when it comes to style.
Feb 25 12:30:30 <luci1093> don't have expetience tho xD
Feb 25 12:30:51 <mrenouf> correctness > style (for now) :-)
Feb 25 12:31:20 <luci1093> but if there is a problem with that button ...
Feb 25 12:31:25 <chaozer> luci1093, http://pmd.sourceforge.net/integrations.html, see the eclipse section.
Feb 25 12:31:33 <luci1093> the error should't pop up when I press it ?
Feb 25 12:31:55 <mrenouf> luci1093, I posted your fix. please try it.
Feb 25 12:32:48 <luci1093> um
Feb 25 12:33:05 <mrenouf> chaozer, pmd? for code syle? Just use Ctrl-Alt-F
Feb 25 12:33:22 <chaozer> mrenouf, that's not really the same thing
Feb 25 12:33:37 <chaozer> mrenouf, im not talking formatting
Feb 25 12:33:45 <mrenouf> oh
Feb 25 12:33:46 <luci1093> sry guys but still don't actually get it :(
Feb 25 12:33:59 <mrenouf> <mrenouf> luci1093, change line 22 to: "sub = (Button) findViewById(R.id.bSub);"
Feb 25 12:34:19 <luci1093> LOL
Feb 25 12:34:21 <mrenouf> chaozer, the Android lint tool + findbugs is what I use
Feb 25 12:34:27 <luci1093> finally I noticed it -.-
Feb 25 12:34:28 <chaozer> mrenouf, if you haven't tried it.. try it :).. a bit of a warning though.... it's quite pedantic :)... so it needs a little tweaking.
Feb 25 12:34:35 <luci1093> let me try and see if it works :D
Feb 25 12:34:37 <chaozer> mrenouf, yeah findbugs is also a must
Feb 25 12:34:55 <chaozer> mrenouf, but pmd is a good complement to findbugs... because one finds things the other doesn't.
Feb 25 12:35:13 <luci1093> it works ....
Feb 25 12:35:18 <luci1093> thankyou a lot
Feb 25 12:35:29 <luci1093> sry for my ... newbie style xD
Feb 25 12:35:53 <mrenouf> other than duplicate code, findbugs does most of the rest,
Feb 25 12:36:14 <chaozer> mrenouf, i guess pmd is geared more towards learning good practices.. while findbugs is a little more geared towars optimizations and bugs.
Feb 25 12:36:22 <mrenouf> I've always liked their logo though
Feb 25 12:37:54 <mrenouf> installed. trying it out on some code
Feb 25 12:39:13 <chaozer> pmd is the ultimate java bitch :) sorry for the expression.
Feb 25 12:39:21 <luci1093> ok , well I'm off to learning more android , thankyou again ^^
Feb 25 12:39:53 <brx_> anyone using elance or variants to find android dev work?
Feb 25 12:40:38 <jameslord> why i cannot run ln -s using adb shell? btw, i have root priviledge:)
Feb 25 12:43:04 <mrenouf> hm pmd is fast. It's whining about things I know are there that I probably put off to fix later, so it makes a nice automatic TODO list ;-)
Feb 25 12:43:12 <mrenouf> thanks, I'll keep using this
Feb 25 12:43:53 <mrenouf> But some are... WTF?!... "Avoid excessively long variable names like UPDATE_PERIOD_FRAMES" ?
Feb 25 12:44:23 <MalRD> There are numerous things that are less code problems and more preference issues.
Feb 25 12:44:23 <mrenouf> non-transient statid member. blah blah
Feb 25 12:44:44 <mrenouf> "savedInstanceState" is also apparently "excessively long"
Feb 25 12:44:52 <chaozer> mrenouf, yeah .. it requires some tweaking... :)...
Feb 25 12:44:57 <mrenouf> yeah some tuning is in order
Feb 25 12:48:12 <chaozer> mrenouf, also you can use @SuppressWarnings("PMD.*") to shut it up when something you did is intentional ;)..
Feb 25 12:48:39 <mrenouf> eh, I'd rather not litter my code for PMDs benefit
Feb 25 12:59:28 <jameslord> hell:(
Feb 25 13:11:56 <Strangebrew> i have a spinner that shows a list of countries from an xml. when a spinner item(a country) is selected i want to fetch the value of this item(the country code). how should i do it?
Feb 25 13:16:29 <mrenouf> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AdapterView.html#setOnItemSelectedListener(android.widget.AdapterView.OnItemSelectedListener)
Feb 25 13:16:53 <mrenouf> (Spinner is a subclass of AdapterView)
Feb 25 13:21:31 <Strangebrew> thanks mrenouf , but i don't see an option to view the value of an item/key in the spinner.   an item in my xml looks like this:   <option value="213">Algeria . i want to fetch "213" when the user selects algeria on the spinner
Feb 25 13:21:54 <mrenouf> getItemAtPosition(position).toString()
Feb 25 13:22:25 <mrenouf> wait, <option value=? what XML is this?
Feb 25 13:23:56 <mrenouf> normally you define a string array, and assign it as the 'entries' attribute.
Feb 25 13:23:57 <Strangebrew> custom xml.. i can change it to <item value="213">Algeria</item>
Feb 25 13:24:26 <Strangebrew> but how do you define a key/value pair in an xml?
Feb 25 13:24:29 <mrenouf> I was unaware that was even possible
Feb 25 13:24:59 <Strangebrew> it might not be:\
Feb 25 13:25:01 <mrenouf> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4029261/populating-spinner-directly-in-the-layout-xml
Feb 25 13:25:46 <Strangebrew> thats just a normal spinner
Feb 25 13:26:12 <Strangebrew> i want to have one that can read key and values from an xml
Feb 25 13:26:34 <mrenouf> as I said, I'm not sure that's possible
Feb 25 13:26:57 <mrenouf> though you can certainly implement a subclass of ArrayAdapter to do so
Feb 25 13:27:28 <Strangebrew> oh great..i'll try that! thanks
Feb 25 13:27:36 <Strangebrew> :)
Feb 25 13:28:44 <mrenouf> Xml.parse(getResources().openRawResource(R.raw.testXML), Xml.Encoding.UTF_8,  YOUR_CONTENT_HANDLER);
Feb 25 13:29:42 <mrenouf> where Content Handler is a SAX ContentHandler instance
Feb 25 13:32:02 <mrenouf> damnit, no fastboot on reg. consumer Galaxy Tab 10.1's
Feb 25 13:32:35 <mrenouf> Odin3 time
Feb 25 13:52:06 <pepigno75> hi
Feb 25 13:52:24 <pepigno75> can i BroadCast when device receive an Email?
Feb 25 13:56:22 <pepigno75> i wnat show a Message whe user receive an email
Feb 25 14:03:51 <dragonkeeper> loving this ics on atrix 4g :P
Feb 25 14:20:44 <faint545> will setTheme() override any themes that may have been defined in the manifest for an activity?
Feb 25 14:25:08 <SimonVT> Yes
Feb 25 15:10:53 <Beket> hi people. suppose I have some tab icons for h,m,l-dpi. Do I have to provide selectors for h,m,l-dpi as well?
Feb 25 15:11:01 <Beket> under the drawable-xyz directory ?
Feb 25 15:11:28 <Beket> Or is there a way to write a generic selector, and let android pick the right icons on its own ?
Feb 25 15:11:45 <alankila> that would be the drawable-xyz thing, I think.
Feb 25 15:12:15 <Beket> how do you mean? (thanks for bothering)
Feb 25 15:12:36 <Beket> Do I have to put a selector.xml in every drawable-xyz/ directory ?
Feb 25 15:13:17 <alankila> no, if you have an image in appropriate drawable directory, then android knows what the intended DPI for the image is and will scale it according to the target surface DPI
Feb 25 15:13:37 <alankila> I think a lot of people only provide the highest dpi version and let android worry about the lower dpi versions
Feb 25 15:14:30 <Beket> mm, ok, thanks. So I will rename my drawable-mdpi/ic_tab_selected_foo_mdpi.png to ic_tab_selected_foo.png and use that filename in the selector
Feb 25 15:16:00 <alankila> yes.
Feb 25 15:16:08 <Beket> thanks alankila
Feb 25 15:29:00 <jameslord> hi all
Feb 25 15:54:04 <Leandros> Hi
Feb 25 15:57:44 <Leandros> One little question, I can set a theme programmatically (with setTheme(R.style.xxx)). How I can do it, if I choose the theme in e.g a PreferenceActivity/Fragment. I have to redraw the Activity before because, setTheme() have to be called before setContentView()
Feb 25 15:58:19 <Leandros> Any ideas?
Feb 25 15:59:27 <ryden> Hello. I have an activity with a search EditText, and it's getting focused (and therefore displaying the keyboard) as soon as the activity is displayed. Is there a way to avoid this and wait for the user to tap on the field?
Feb 25 16:00:03 <Leandros> pastebin editText xml
Feb 25 16:00:53 <h3lium> #schulwerkzeug
Feb 25 16:01:11 <ryden> http://pastebin.com/ivkHBhGd
Feb 25 16:04:21 <skfax> ryden: you can add android:windowSoftInputMode="stateHidden" to your activity XML, this should give you the behavior you want
Feb 25 16:04:58 <ryden> Thanks skfax ! I will try it right now.
Feb 25 16:05:01 <Leandros> yes, this would I suggest, tooo.
Feb 25 16:06:30 <ryden> Aww, didn't work :-(
Feb 25 16:06:45 <ryden> I will paste more info.
Feb 25 16:08:21 <skfax> ryden: Did you add it to the manifest file?
Feb 25 16:08:48 <ryden> Nope, as an attribute to the EditText.
Feb 25 16:09:04 <ryden> Ouch, I read your answer wrong, sorry.
Feb 25 16:09:23 <skfax> <activity android:name="xx" android:windowSoftInputMode="stateHidden|adjustPan" />
Feb 25 16:10:00 <ryden> :) I will try, thanks skfax && Leandros
Feb 25 16:10:10 <ryden> Perfect!
Feb 25 16:10:12 <ryden> I love you guys.
Feb 25 16:27:00 <corb> hello
Feb 25 16:27:05 <corb> is anyone here ?
Feb 25 16:27:11 <corb> that can help please
Feb 25 16:27:20 <ryden> Just ask.
Feb 25 16:27:26 <vil33> no one is here
Feb 25 16:27:28 <corb> do you know about rooting ?
Feb 25 16:27:32 <corb> lol
Feb 25 16:27:39 <ryden> You probably want to go to #android-root
Feb 25 16:27:50 <corb> ok thanks my friend
Feb 25 16:31:22 <Leandros> One little question, I can set a theme programmatically (with setTheme(R.style.xxx)). How I can do it, if I choose the theme in e.g a PreferenceActivity/Fragment. I have to redraw the Activity before because, setTheme() have to be called before setContentView()
Feb 25 16:33:29 <SimonVT> finish the activity and start a new instance
Feb 25 16:37:55 <corb> hey
Feb 25 16:37:59 <corb> again guy
Feb 25 16:38:38 <corb> i dont understand why my phone can connect to the computer , but a warning sign comes over it on device manager
Feb 25 16:38:46 <corb> anyone help ?
Feb 25 16:39:15 <Estragon> corb: its related to target platform
Feb 25 16:39:48 <Estragon> check the target platform of your project and the android version of your device
Feb 25 16:40:22 <corb> ok well my phone is an htc incredible s
Feb 25 16:40:31 <corb> i have it debug mode and all and its plugged in
Feb 25 16:40:34 <corb> : /
Feb 25 16:41:19 <corb> its android version 2.3.3
Feb 25 16:41:27 <corb> and htc sense 2.1
Feb 25 16:42:10 <Estragon> and what about the project you are trying to run ?
Feb 25 16:42:23 <corb> whats that ?
Feb 25 16:42:55 <Estragon> arent you trying to compile and run a project ?
Feb 25 16:43:03 <corb> oh yes to root
Feb 25 16:43:10 <corb> i think
Feb 25 16:43:14 <Estragon> Oo
Feb 25 16:43:16 <corb> im pretty new to this
Feb 25 16:43:46 <Estragon> what do you want to do ?
Feb 25 16:43:56 <corb> just root the phone
Feb 25 16:44:14 <corb> but i cant because the drivers wont install
Feb 25 16:44:27 <SimonVT> #android-root
Feb 25 16:44:30 <corb> it device manager theres a yellown warning sign over android devices
Feb 25 16:44:52 <corb> simon i cant cconnect to android root :/
Feb 25 16:45:13 <corb> it says im not identified and everytime i do identify , it does nothing
Feb 25 16:45:59 <Estragon> corb: you have to register to chanserv, google it
Feb 25 16:50:05 <vil33> I thought it was nickserv
Feb 25 16:51:36 <kakazza> It is.
Feb 25 16:51:52 <Estragon> oops, mybad
Feb 25 17:19:45 <corb233> hi
Feb 25 17:19:56 <corb233> why cant i get onto #android-root ?
Feb 25 17:20:12 <canadiancow> dunno
Feb 25 17:20:13 <canadiancow> ask them
Feb 25 17:50:35 <arkiver> can anyone tell me why is there a "=?" concanted with CONTACT_ID in this case: http://pastebin.com/HR64d4xE
Feb 25 17:50:42 <arkiver> *concatenated
Feb 25 17:53:06 <MysT_DooM> a query
Feb 25 18:04:16 <DrPenguin> hi. Is there some simple way to populate a bunch of variables with data from a cursor in 1 shot or do I have to grab each value 1 at a time?
Feb 25 18:05:07 <t0mless> arkiver it's a sql query statement using a constant as the column name
Feb 25 18:05:41 <t0mless> and the ? is replaced by the elements of the String[] that is the next argument
Feb 25 18:05:54 <t0mless> read docs about SQLiteDatabase.query()
Feb 25 18:06:00 <DrPenguin> k thx
Feb 25 18:06:13 <t0mless> DrPenguin that was for Arkhaix
Feb 25 18:06:16 <t0mless> er arkiver
Feb 25 18:06:23 <DrPenguin> ohhh, misread >_>;
Feb 25 18:06:48 <t0mless> you pretty much have to read each variable from the cursor
Feb 25 18:07:05 <t0mless> with cursor.getInt/getString/etc
Feb 25 18:07:13 <DrPenguin> lame! ah well, just figured id ask, thanks
Feb 25 18:07:28 <t0mless> unless someone else knows something I don't
Feb 25 18:07:47 <Pinas> hello all
Feb 25 18:08:01 <arkiver> t0mless, oh cool. I was trying to figure out reading about "prepared statements " in java
Feb 25 18:08:01 <Pinas> anyone knows why there is no /dev/log/system on my android 4 emulator ?
Feb 25 18:08:14 <DrPenguin> I think that sounds like something nifty to have, a method that takes in an SQLite command to query from a table, and takes in a colleciton that you auto fill in each member of the collection in order from what you queried from the table
Feb 25 18:08:32 <arkiver> t0mless, ill read those docs thanks alot !
Feb 25 18:19:11 <nmpribeiro> hi there. is it possible to inject android in other non android mobiles? how can I analyse that?
Feb 25 18:19:52 <cr5315> nmpribeiro: it's very hard to get android working on non-android devices.
Feb 25 18:20:13 <cr5315> It's possible, but hard to do
Feb 25 18:20:55 <nmpribeiro> so... possible and dificult... like that
Feb 25 18:21:05 <cr5315> pretty much
Feb 25 18:21:12 <DrPenguin> if it comes easy, it aint worth it:P
Feb 25 18:21:15 <Pinas> do I need to do something special to get /dev/log/system available ???
Feb 25 18:21:46 <nmpribeiro> DrPenguin, right
Feb 25 18:27:00 <nmpribeiro> what's the min requirments for android?
Feb 25 18:27:07 <dang`r`us> a brain?
Feb 25 18:27:29 <nmpribeiro> i can give a hand also
Feb 25 18:39:15 <ryden> Is it normal that my GLSurfaceView is not getting the drag events in the OnTouchListener? It's only getting the up and down events.
Feb 25 18:39:30 <ryden> Actually, only the down event.
Feb 25 18:40:38 <SimonVT> It's normal if you don't return true
Feb 25 18:41:21 <ryden> Thanks SimonVT :)
Feb 25 18:57:16 <t0mless> I don't suppose the emulator was updated in ADT17 preview build to be less crappy?
Feb 25 19:13:38 <Sicp> this code represents an activity called System Monitor, it binds to the Connection (SSH through the Jsch library) and spawns an AsyncTask that fetches the output of a command from the server the user is SSH'ed to, returns that value and places it on the graph
Feb 25 19:13:46 <Sicp> the chart is done through AChartEngine
Feb 25 19:13:55 <Sicp> I keep getting a null pointer exception..
Feb 25 19:14:03 <readme> stacktrace
Feb 25 19:14:45 <Sicp> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/log.txt
Feb 25 19:15:31 <Sicp> it is a warning now, ever since I added the thread.wait(1500) before I invoked sendAndReceive()
Feb 25 19:15:36 <Sicp> meaning it doesn't crash
Feb 25 19:15:39 <Sicp> just sits there hung up
Feb 25 19:16:00 <t0mless> you're calling wait() on the UI thread?
Feb 25 19:16:22 <Sicp> no, on the AsycTask
Feb 25 19:16:36 <Sicp> private AsyncTask<String, String, String> thread;
Feb 25 19:17:02 <readme> you're calling "thread.wait()" from thread or the main thread?
Feb 25 19:17:04 <t0mless> what is line 174 in SysMonitorActivity.java?
Feb 25 19:17:23 <Sicp> that would be from the main thread i suppose
Feb 25 19:17:32 <readme> yes
Feb 25 19:17:35 <readme> show us 174
Feb 25 19:17:50 <Sicp> the code..is with you
Feb 25 19:17:59 <t0mless> where?
Feb 25 19:18:05 <Sicp> oh!
Feb 25 19:18:06 <t0mless> I only have stack trace...
Feb 25 19:18:07 <Sicp> I didn't post that
Feb 25 19:18:13 <Sicp> derp..
Feb 25 19:18:14 <Sicp> http://pastebin.com/FphN7RSb
Feb 25 19:18:15 <Sicp> there
Feb 25 19:18:34 <Sicp> look at the code right below 174, that's what was being done before turning this thread into an AsyncTask
Feb 25 19:19:01 <Sicp> the wait() there used to allow for the method to fetch the output from the server, any lower and it would throttle and NullPointerException
Feb 25 19:19:08 <t0mless> that code doesn't line up with that stack trace
Feb 25 19:19:40 <Sicp> because there's a gpl above
Feb 25 19:19:49 <Sicp> *facepalm*
Feb 25 19:19:58 <t0mless> so what is line 174 actually?
Feb 25 19:20:13 <Sicp> http://pastebin.com/skR2394u
Feb 25 19:20:14 <Sicp> there
Feb 25 19:20:34 <t0mless> so for some reason, your thread is null
Feb 25 19:20:46 <Sicp> yea
Feb 25 19:20:59 <Sicp> I tried just "echo 3" instead of the large command you see above in res
Feb 25 19:21:01 <t0mless> where is it initalized....
Feb 25 19:21:18 <Sicp> 84 <-
Feb 25 19:21:25 <Sicp> in the sendAndReceive() method
Feb 25 19:21:37 <t0mless> so you'r etrying to call thread.wait*( before sendAndReceive is called
Feb 25 19:21:42 <t0mless> why do you think thread is NOT null?
Feb 25 19:21:55 <Sicp> yea...
Feb 25 19:22:33 <Sicp> well the thing is, if I have thread.wait inside sendAndReceive() (before the actual command that fetches from the server), I get "process has not been blocked by element yet" or something to that effect
Feb 25 19:22:46 <Sicp> "object not locked by thread before wait()"
Feb 25 19:23:02 <t0mless> well the way it is now, you're trying to use thread while it's still null
Feb 25 19:23:07 <t0mless> so you get an NullPointerException
Feb 25 19:23:11 <Sicp> ok
Feb 25 19:23:14 <Sicp> so say I remove wait
Feb 25 19:23:19 <Sicp> it still crashes with NullPointer
Feb 25 19:23:34 <t0mless> what's the stack trace for that crash?
Feb 25 19:23:41 <Sicp> let me just produce it again
Feb 25 19:24:00 <t0mless> why the hell is this HC emulator not allowing action modes...
Feb 25 19:24:19 <Sicp> wtf...
Feb 25 19:24:25 <Sicp> now it works?
Feb 25 19:24:37 <Chronax> Dudes. What kind of View control (if any) will let me append views to it in a list? I can't use the obvious ListView, because I'm building a Widget.
Feb 25 19:24:50 <Sicp> Dudes <- nice
Feb 25 19:25:11 <t0mless> look at what is supported in widgets
Feb 25 19:26:10 <t0mless> ListView is supported in app widgets...
Feb 25 19:26:13 <Chronax> t0mless: I have. The documentation is surprisingly thin.
Feb 25 19:26:24 <t0mless> .http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/appwidgets/index.html#CreatingLayout
Feb 25 19:26:25 <Chronax> t0mless: Only in Honeycomb+, which doesn't work for me. :(
Feb 25 19:26:40 <t0mless> oh
Feb 25 19:26:41 <t0mless> yea
Feb 25 19:26:49 <SimonVT> Eh, linearlayout?
Feb 25 19:26:50 <t0mless> you can't have interactive widgets like that on pre HC
Feb 25 19:27:07 <Sicp> well now it displays the stuff that renderer is supposed to produce (the title, the axis, etc...) but it won't move beyond that first point
Feb 25 19:27:07 <t0mless> "Scrolling" widgets that is
Feb 25 19:27:16 <Chronax> Right, I don't want it to scroll.
Feb 25 19:27:26 <Chronax> Basically, I'm just adding 3 Views to 1 Widget programatically.
Feb 25 19:27:38 <t0mless> LinearLayout seems like the target then
Feb 25 19:27:41 <Sicp> because there's only one mention of sendAndReceive() in onCreate()? I mean the thread has gone out and fetched one value..
Feb 25 19:27:46 <Chronax> Widget development is annoying and tricky. :)
Feb 25 19:27:55 <Chronax> Thanks for the thoughts, t0mless.
Feb 25 19:28:14 <t0mless> SimonVT you have a HC tablet?
Feb 25 19:28:20 <SimonVT> nope
Feb 25 19:28:32 <SimonVT> No tablets at all
Feb 25 19:28:34 <t0mless> I just put ICS on my A500
Feb 25 19:28:48 <t0mless> and don't want to go back to HC just to test this, but the HC emulator is being a bitch
Feb 25 19:29:00 <t0mless> trying to fix an ABS bug
Feb 25 19:29:03 <Sicp> THERE! there's the crash that comes out of removing thread.wait() before sendAndReceive() on line 174
Feb 25 19:29:06 <t0mless> which is actually a framework bug
Feb 25 19:29:10 <Sicp> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/log.txt
Feb 25 19:29:45 <t0mless> so what is line 94 of your SysMonitorActivity.java?
Feb 25 19:30:18 <Sicp> res = conn.executeCommand("ps aux | awk '{ sum+=$3 } END {print sum }'");
Feb 25 19:30:33 <Sicp> I tried running "echo 3" only, same
Feb 25 19:30:42 <t0mless> so conn must be null there
Feb 25 19:30:43 <SimonVT> So, conn is null
Feb 25 19:31:15 <Sicp> but I did conn = CommunicationInterface.Stub.asInterface(service);
Feb 25 19:31:24 <t0mless> where?
Feb 25 19:31:39 <Sicp> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/Service%20Connection
Feb 25 19:31:40 <Sicp> there
Feb 25 19:31:47 <Sicp> that's the initialization of conn
Feb 25 19:31:49 <SimonVT> Well, then you're doing that after the asynctask tries to use the object
Feb 25 19:32:17 <t0mless> your threads are racing, and asynctask is winning
Feb 25 19:32:19 <t0mless> which is bad for you
Feb 25 19:32:32 <Sicp> so what can I do? place that block before I declare the AsyncTask?
Feb 25 19:32:39 <t0mless> not to mention I don't think onServiceConnected will get called until onCreate finishes
Feb 25 19:32:54 <Sicp> because that block is on the very top right after the other declarations
Feb 25 19:33:11 <t0mless> event driven os means doesn't matter the order of your declerations
Feb 25 19:33:38 <t0mless> you're creating a service connection with listeners that haven't fired yet
Feb 25 19:33:51 <Sicp> here's the critical chunk
Feb 25 19:33:51 <Sicp> http://pastebin.com/DUZExdRE
Feb 25 19:33:52 <t0mless> put a log in ther onServiceConnected and you'll see what I mean
Feb 25 19:34:31 <t0mless> you're asing to bind the service, but that doesn't mean onServiceConnected is called right away
Feb 25 19:35:04 <t0mless> move your sendAndRecieve to onServiceConnected right after the conn = declaration
Feb 25 19:35:15 <Sicp> will a wait solve this?
Feb 25 19:35:18 <Sicp> a wait on the main thread
Feb 25 19:35:20 <t0mless> No
Feb 25 19:35:39 <Sicp> yea that means everything has to wait
Feb 25 19:35:59 <t0mless> You don't ever want to pause/wait the main thread
Feb 25 19:36:05 <t0mless> you'll get app not responding errors
Feb 25 19:36:44 <t0mless> if you just tell it to start the sendAndRecieve after you know the connection has been established
Feb 25 19:36:48 <t0mless> you'll be good
Feb 25 19:37:05 <Sicp> ok
Feb 25 19:37:11 <Sicp> im placing the log.d now to see what's going on
Feb 25 19:37:14 <Sicp> it should not show up
Feb 25 19:37:17 <Sicp> until after the crash
Feb 25 19:38:09 <t0mless> hey... when was Theme.Holo.Light.DarkActionBar introduced?
Feb 25 19:38:12 <t0mless> ICS or HC?
Feb 25 19:38:22 <Sicp> no it showed up right before the crash
Feb 25 19:38:27 <Sicp> yea, the asynctask won
Feb 25 19:38:53 <Sicp> just like you said about them racing
Feb 25 19:38:58 <t0mless> i'm telling you, move the sendAndReceive call to right after your conn =
Feb 25 19:39:05 <t0mless> in the onServiceConnected callback
Feb 25 19:39:08 <JoeTheGuest> t0mless check the google docs page.
Feb 25 19:39:28 <t0mless> where in the docs does it list that?
Feb 25 19:39:51 <JoeTheGuest> I'm not 100 percent sure so let me take a look.
Feb 25 19:39:53 <JoeTheGuest> It has to be there though.
Feb 25 19:40:02 <t0mless> found it
Feb 25 19:40:05 <t0mless> fuck
Feb 25 19:40:07 <t0mless> 14
Feb 25 19:40:49 <Zharf> mutt
Feb 25 19:40:51 <Zharf> whops
Feb 25 19:41:11 <t0mless> even then, the ActionModes should still work
Feb 25 19:41:17 <t0mless> since that was introduced in 11
Feb 25 19:41:59 <t0mless> and yet... it's not.
Feb 25 19:43:12 <Sicp> well it works to ouput one instance of what I want when I place it where you said, and so I went ahead and placed it in a while (true)
Feb 25 19:43:22 <Sicp> which basically traps it in there forever
Feb 25 19:43:23 <Pinas> anyone knows why there is no /dev/log/system on my android 4 emulator ?
Feb 25 19:43:38 <t0mless> ahh, it was the theme causing the issue
Feb 25 19:50:42 <delac> is it possible to install superuser.apk with update.zip (through recovery) without first rooting the device?
Feb 25 19:51:20 <Sicp> ok, wait() is out of the question indefinitely
Feb 25 19:51:28 <t0mless> try #android-root delac
Feb 25 19:51:36 <t0mless> but i'm pretty sure it depends on device
Feb 25 19:51:42 <delac> t0mless: ok, thanks
Feb 25 19:51:58 <JoeTheGuest> Google is running commercials for Google+ now.
Feb 25 19:52:09 <DrPenguin> They have been
Feb 25 19:52:17 <JoeTheGuest> I was not aware of this.
Feb 25 19:52:19 <JoeTheGuest> I just saw it.
Feb 25 19:52:22 <t0mless> is it for Google+ or the nexus?
Feb 25 19:52:23 <JoeTheGuest> That's crazy.
Feb 25 19:52:30 <JoeTheGuest> I think google+
Feb 25 19:52:36 <DrPenguin> Google+, like theres one where they have the muppets doing Under Pressure
Feb 25 19:52:37 <t0mless> because the one I saw implied google+ was available only on the nexus
Feb 25 19:52:38 <JoeTheGuest> It said Google+ at the end.
Feb 25 19:53:02 <JoeTheGuest> The story was that he lost his phone and he was scared he lost his photos then suddently he realized they sync to google+
Feb 25 19:53:05 <JoeTheGuest> And all was good.
Feb 25 19:53:05 <t0mless> only one I've seen is the one with people running around in a big white room while one dude uses his phone
Feb 25 19:54:02 <delac> t0mless: it is Samsung GIO and I think it has unlocked bootloader. did you mean devices like that?
Feb 25 19:54:39 <t0mless> I have no idea what the GIO is
Feb 25 19:55:01 <delac> t0mless: a very cheap model
Feb 25 19:55:10 <t0mless> but installing superuser.apk is essentially rooting the phone
Feb 25 19:55:13 <t0mless> ish
Feb 25 19:55:20 <t0mless> but #android-root should be able to help you
Feb 25 19:56:09 <delac> android-root seems pretty dead...
Feb 25 19:56:34 <t0mless> just hang out, someone will be around
Feb 25 19:56:41 <DrPenguin> delac: you can also try XDA
Feb 25 19:56:43 <t0mless> you can also try xda-dev website
Feb 25 19:57:06 <DrPenguin> They are usually good, Ive gotten all my needs there taken care of for my Captivate
Feb 25 19:57:21 <DrPenguin> (Btw.. Wireless ADB is so awesome)
Feb 25 19:57:25 <t0mless> Agree.
Feb 25 19:57:45 <DrPenguin> The ICS rom I have on my phone has really bad USB so Its nearly impossible to adb over usb
Feb 25 19:58:48 <t0mless> you have an ICS tablet DrPenguin?
Feb 25 19:59:01 <DrPenguin> t0mless: yeah, my Xoom has Motos ICS and my CAptivate is using CM9
Feb 25 19:59:09 <t0mless> test something for me
Feb 25 19:59:12 <DrPenguin> NU!
Feb 25 19:59:16 <t0mless> DO ET!
Feb 25 19:59:17 <DrPenguin> Okay :P
Feb 25 19:59:19 <DrPenguin> >_>;
Feb 25 19:59:39 <delac> odd thing about the GIO. unless I turn on the wireless ADB (even when I just use normal ADB through usb), I'll get kicked out of the shell after few commands or about a minute
Feb 25 19:59:47 <t0mless> going to dcc you a build of ABS Demos app
Feb 25 19:59:57 <t0mless> need to see if this actionmode thing is just wonky on my tablet
Feb 25 20:00:09 <DrPenguin> t0mless: gotcha, id be more than happy to help
Feb 25 20:00:10 <t0mless> got it working in the HC emulator, so now it's just the ICS bs
Feb 25 20:00:52 <t0mless> yousa get dcc request?
Feb 25 20:01:00 <DrPenguin> Yes Jar Jar
Feb 25 20:01:06 <DrPenguin> hang on, I need to add moto to my udev rules
Feb 25 20:01:20 <t0mless> Set the theme to Light (DarkActionBar)
Feb 25 20:01:26 <t0mless> then goto the ActionModes
Feb 25 20:01:29 <t0mless> and start the action mode
Feb 25 20:01:35 <t0mless> and see if the word Done is visible on the left
Feb 25 20:01:36 <DrPenguin> WAIT A MINUT DARNIT
Feb 25 20:01:50 <t0mless> FINE
Feb 25 20:02:48 <Sicp> I think I've coded myself into the wall
Feb 25 20:03:11 <Sicp> when I have sendAndReceive() after the conn initialization, it runs once and that's it..
Feb 25 20:03:33 <Sicp> and I can't have it anywhere else; I want a while (true) { sendAndReceive(); waitAMinute(); }
Feb 25 20:04:04 <delac> well, could anyone point me to (preferably official) documentation for update.zip, e.g. how one is created and what is update-binary?
Feb 25 20:04:47 <Sicp> meaning I cannot have this AsyncTask going on and call it more than once.. or I've called it in the wrong place, because everytime I call it it will spawn a new asynctask!?...
Feb 25 20:05:16 <t0mless> well.... yea
Feb 25 20:05:24 <DrPenguin> t0mless: I presume Done should be next to the check mark? I see no done
Feb 25 20:05:28 <QubeZ> has anyone here paid to get their app reviewed?
Feb 25 20:05:34 <Sicp> that's ...normal?
Feb 25 20:05:48 <Sicp> I need to send out a thread everytime I want to go out to the server and run a command
Feb 25 20:05:49 <t0mless> DrPenguin Indeed.... and it's a framework bug in 4.0
Feb 25 20:05:54 <t0mless> thought I had it fixed
Feb 25 20:05:58 <t0mless> at least for ABS
Feb 25 20:06:01 <DrPenguin> Oh wait I see it when I hit the button
Feb 25 20:06:09 <DrPenguin> Done's color is just funky
Feb 25 20:06:10 <t0mless> it's the wrong color
Feb 25 20:06:12 <DrPenguin> yeah
Feb 25 20:06:16 <t0mless> it's the color for the Light action bar
Feb 25 20:06:24 <t0mless> or rather it's textColorPrimary
Feb 25 20:06:36 <t0mless> because it doesn't reference the actionbar theme
Feb 25 20:06:39 <DrPenguin> aye
Feb 25 20:06:40 <t0mless> becuase google fucked up
Feb 25 20:07:06 <t0mless> and since ABS reverts to the native action bar on ICS
Feb 25 20:07:21 <t0mless> even if I fixed it for HC, ICS is still fooked
Feb 25 20:07:28 <DrPenguin> sucky
Feb 25 20:07:32 <SimonVT> Is there a style attribute for it?
Feb 25 20:07:55 <t0mless> there is a style attribute for the CloseButton
Feb 25 20:08:03 <t0mless> but it only sets a background drawable
Feb 25 20:08:22 <SimonVT> So set your own
Feb 25 20:08:32 <SimonVT> Change textColor to textColorPrimaryInverse
Feb 25 20:08:36 <t0mless> doesn't matter if I set my own
Feb 25 20:08:50 <t0mless> because I think the other layout is going to get pulled on ICS
Feb 25 20:08:53 <QubeZ> DrPenguin: my app is finally out, www.todomapr.com. Love to hear your thoughts.
Feb 25 20:08:53 <t0mless> the native layout
Feb 25 20:09:00 <DrPenguin> I HATE IT
Feb 25 20:09:23 <DrPenguin> actually, looks kinda cool
Feb 25 20:09:44 <DrPenguin> and it must be, it has its own website :P
Feb 25 20:09:49 <QubeZ> lol
Feb 25 20:09:53 <Sicp> the site is very neat
Feb 25 20:09:58 <Sicp> good job
Feb 25 20:10:00 <QubeZ> Sicp: oh thank you
Feb 25 20:10:10 <Sicp> so many tutorials, i want them all
Feb 25 20:10:39 <QubeZ> available in app as well via the Menu button, if a REAL confused newbie needs to know more about an activity then they can watch them in app (streaming)
Feb 25 20:10:39 <t0mless> actually... if I add the style to the Sherlock. theme in values-v14 I might be able to fix this
Feb 25 20:10:44 <t0mless> but first, time for tea
Feb 25 20:10:46 <dennistlg> anyone have knowledge about chroot ?   have running ubuntu in a chroot on droid.  but need more chroot terminal sessions (dont need a gui)
Feb 25 20:10:47 <QubeZ> most people will not need the tuts of course
Feb 25 20:12:03 <DrPenguin> Im actually in progress of building an App for my Senior Design Project for College
Feb 25 20:20:37 <jonrafkind> when I make a change in my java source and recompile I see that ant calls javac but then the -dex target says 'no new compiled code' and further steps don't do anything (like creating the apk). why is this?
Feb 25 20:24:41 <t0mless> perhaps there is an error in you code preventing new classes from being done?
Feb 25 20:24:46 <t0mless> to ant clean
Feb 25 20:24:53 <t0mless> do*
Feb 25 20:26:20 <jonrafkind> javac succeeds
Feb 25 20:26:32 <jonrafkind> if there was an error it would print a compile error
Feb 25 20:26:53 <t0mless> did you do ant clean?
Feb 25 20:27:00 <jonrafkind> yes
Feb 25 20:27:15 <jonrafkind> after that it will rebuild the dex files, but i dont want to have to clean each time i build
Feb 25 20:27:36 <t0mless> dunno why it's not seeing your changes
Feb 25 20:28:13 <t0mless> motherfuckers
Feb 25 20:28:30 <t0mless> yea, so since ABS uses the native ICS bar
Feb 25 20:28:59 <t0mless> and the native ice bar close button uses android:textAppearance="?attr/textAppearanceSmall"
Feb 25 20:29:04 <t0mless> I can't change that
Feb 25 20:29:15 <t0mless> if I change textAppearanceSmall, it might fuck with eeeeeverythign
Feb 25 20:39:19 <Sicp> fffffuuuuuu
Feb 25 20:39:24 <Sicp> major fu
Feb 25 20:40:06 <DrPenguin> Sicp: thats not nice
Feb 25 20:40:16 <Sicp> what caused it is not nice either!
Feb 25 20:40:24 <DrPenguin> no excuse!
Feb 25 20:42:48 <delac> can anyone point me to a good info source about Edify and update-binary?
Feb 25 20:43:30 <SimonVT> You could always just use the ABS ActionBar on ICS as well
Feb 25 20:44:00 <g00s> i wonder if anything else has caused more pain in android than the fucking action bar
Feb 25 20:44:17 <g00s> beased on how much traffic it seems to get here :D
Feb 25 20:44:38 <t0mless> could... there was some reason that jake had it use native implementation on ICS
Feb 25 20:44:41 <t0mless> just don't remember why
Feb 25 20:45:59 <Sicp> t0mless, or anyone else for that matter, this code http://pastebin.com/dkMRxUK5 now takes care of having the conn variable being initialized successfully before it goes to fetch the output of a command executed on the server, it does so by running right after the conn initialization
Feb 25 20:46:26 <t0mless> which is what I told you to do
Feb 25 20:46:34 <Sicp> right!
Feb 25 20:46:39 <t0mless> :)
Feb 25 20:46:50 <Sicp> only in this case, I can only get 1 hit from this command, placing it in an infinite loop like I used to do with the other thread (than ran on the main thread), will cause it to get trapped in doInBackground() (in the AsyncTask)
Feb 25 20:47:12 <t0mless> yup
Feb 25 20:47:19 <Sicp> doing "while (conn != null)" in doInBackground() will cause it to not output anything at all since it hasn't been initialized yet
Feb 25 20:47:33 <t0mless> you can use publishProgress() to submit stuff mid loop
Feb 25 20:47:36 <Sicp> so I'm trapped in onServiceConnected(), that's the only place where I can get output
Feb 25 20:47:42 <DrPenguin> Sicp: what do you seem to be trying to do? it sound slike your having some sort of concurrency issue
Feb 25 20:48:00 <Sicp> I want to keep getting the output of AsyncTask and printing it to the screen
Feb 25 20:48:04 <Sicp> forever.
Feb 25 20:48:13 <romainguy> that's not what AsyncTask was designed for
Feb 25 20:48:13 <t0mless> publishProgress()
Feb 25 20:48:15 <Sicp> it's a system monitor
Feb 25 20:48:35 <Sicp> definitely what I was thinking, romainguy
Feb 25 20:48:46 <Sicp> but then again, one should not run a thread on the main one
Feb 25 20:48:48 <romainguy> it will work
Feb 25 20:48:53 <romainguy> uh?
Feb 25 20:48:54 <Sicp> and that's where AsyncTask will be handy
Feb 25 20:49:06 <romainguy> AsyncTask is just a utility class
Feb 25 20:49:06 <Sicp> not run a thread on the UI thread
Feb 25 20:49:06 <DrPenguin> "one should not run a thread on the main one.." what?
Feb 25 20:49:14 <t0mless> +1 huh?
Feb 25 20:49:18 <romainguy> all it does is spawn a new Thread and give you easy access to a Handler
Feb 25 20:49:22 <DrPenguin> You cant run a thread on a thread
Feb 25 20:49:25 <Sicp> but it doesn't run on the UI thread
Feb 25 20:49:33 <t0mless> neither would a new Thread....
Feb 25 20:49:38 <DrPenguin> Threads run along side each other, not inside one another
Feb 25 20:50:08 <DrPenguin> Honestly, this sounds a bit like the Producer Consumer Problem
Feb 25 20:51:33 <DrPenguin> Id imagine this could minimally be solved by kicking off a thread for catching stuff to print and use a Split Semaphore for Flow Control
Feb 25 20:52:34 <Sicp> the reason I did this was because the thread on line 175 (the commented out block) was randomly stopping when run
Feb 25 20:52:40 <Sicp> only in debug mode did it not stop running
Feb 25 20:53:02 <DrPenguin> do you know why its stopping?
Feb 25 20:53:06 <Sicp> no idea
Feb 25 20:53:16 <Sicp> nothing crashes, nothing is output, it just stops
Feb 25 20:53:17 <DrPenguin> Might be a good idea to figure that out ;)
Feb 25 20:53:21 <Sicp> the drawing of the points stops
Feb 25 20:53:28 <Sicp> I tried a lot, but I had to try other things
Feb 25 21:03:12 <Niya> I'm trying to decode a png with "FastPNG" (net.sourceforge.fastpng.PNGDecoder) but it isn't processing the file properly... It works correctly with BitmapFactory, but I can't use that for this project... Does anyone have any experience with this library or have a few minutes to help me better understand the problem?
Feb 25 21:03:51 <Chronax> It is IMPOSSIBLE to put 3 views in a relative or linear layout in a widget.
Feb 25 21:03:56 <Chronax> 3 identical views, that is.
Feb 25 21:04:08 <Chronax> Stacked on top of each other.
Feb 25 21:05:17 <Niya> By "on top" you mean "displaced in a y coordinate" way, or do you mean layering?
Feb 25 21:07:31 <kc102> Dear Android-Dev, I'm working on a game using AndEngine but I was talking to a friend of mine who is also working on an Android app and he said I should use Flash because you can publish to Steam as well as Android. But then I spoke to another friend who said flash was dying on Android and that it'd be stupid to code a game on a dying platform. I did some research and it looked like Flash was dying. Should I stick w/ AndEngine?
Feb 25 21:08:21 <Niya> Do you need to publish your game on Steam?
Feb 25 21:08:55 <g00s> kc102: i think canadiancow uses andengine, you may try to ask him his experiences on that. also drakonite writes flash games, you can ask him his opinion there too
Feb 25 21:09:07 <kc102> No, but that's a really cool bonus.
Feb 25 21:09:17 <kc102> And I've talked w/ canadiancow a bit.
Feb 25 21:09:22 <SimonVT> ICS is the last version to support flash
Feb 25 21:09:24 <kc102> But not in regards of what to use.
Feb 25 21:09:28 <g00s> i don't have any experience writing flash anyhow, but it seems like its importance on mobile is fading
Feb 25 21:09:46 <kc102> Okay, cool. I'll stick w/ my AndEngine. ^^
Feb 25 21:09:48 <kc102> ty
Feb 25 21:14:54 <jeppy> SimonVT, future versions will not support flash?
Feb 25 21:16:08 <t0mless> hmmmm
Feb 25 21:16:13 <DrPenguin> Flash is dead for Mobile
Feb 25 21:16:15 <SimonVT> Nope
Feb 25 21:16:27 <t0mless> I dislike it when ant says not resource found for android:TextAppearance.Holo.Light.Small.Inverse
Feb 25 21:16:32 <t0mless> when clearly it exists
Feb 25 21:16:32 <jeppy> hmm i didnt realise
Feb 25 21:16:39 <jeppy> realize
Feb 25 21:16:56 <SimonVT> DrPenguin: Now we just need to kill it for desktops :P
Feb 25 21:17:04 <DrPenguin> SimonVT: Amen
Feb 25 21:17:15 <DrPenguin> HTML 5 + h264 = giz
Feb 25 21:17:19 <DrPenguin> s/giz/jiz/
Feb 25 21:17:27 <DrPenguin> although Firefox cant do h264..
Feb 25 21:17:53 <Mavrik> O.o
Feb 25 21:18:07 <Mavrik> HTML5 is a fad.
Feb 25 21:18:12 <SimonVT> There needs to be some standard for video
Feb 25 21:18:25 <SimonVT> html5 is vaporware :p
Feb 25 21:18:26 <Mavrik> there are better ways of wasting bandwidth than using it for HTML5 video
Feb 25 21:18:37 <Mavrik> grab flash, use RTMP and save money
Feb 25 21:18:58 <Mavrik> whoever thought downloading full video for people who watch 3 minutes of it is a good idea should be shot
Feb 25 21:19:20 <DrPenguin> obviously Mavrik
Feb 25 21:19:35 <Ravenheart> i don't like hte html5 player on youtube
Feb 25 21:21:44 <DrPenguin> I need to trade in my Xoom for a Prime..
Feb 25 21:22:13 <Sicp> any idea as to what usually gets pushed to a repo like in Github?
Feb 25 21:22:25 <Sicp> would res/drawable(s) be part of it?
Feb 25 21:22:42 <Sicp> nevermind..
Feb 25 21:22:47 <Sicp> :P
Feb 25 21:22:47 <SimonVT> Ehh... :p
Feb 25 21:23:57 <t0mless> IT'S RIGHT THERE https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/res/res/values/styles.xml#L1448
Feb 25 21:24:09 <dlaroche> Would I use onKey() to determine when a user is holding a button? I need if it is pressed, and when it is released.
Feb 25 21:24:26 <dlaroche> ^I need to know
Feb 25 21:26:05 <t432> How would you get a reference to a socket from one Activity to another? (I'm assuming andoird has a unique method?)
Feb 25 21:26:46 <Niya> t432: what are you trying to do with it?
Feb 25 21:28:18 <t0mless> hmmmmm it does not seem to be in my android.R class....
Feb 25 21:28:22 <t0mless> why would that beeeeee
Feb 25 21:29:14 <t432> Niya: Activity 1 opens up a socket connection ..from activity 1 I am spawning off a thread with an intent to Activity 2.... from Activity 2 trying to get an ref to the socket in Activity 1 so  I can do something like (if socket.isConnected...)
Feb 25 21:29:27 <Niya> t432: Probably the easiest way is to add an "Application" to your project. Let's say you name it MyApp, then, in each activity you can use (MyApp)getAppliction() to get a reference to your application object.  In there, you can add a member variable, like, socket.  You could do myApp.getSocket() and myApp.setSocket(socket)
Feb 25 21:30:07 <Niya> MyApp extends Application.  Android will create it when your application is created automagically.
Feb 25 21:30:23 <Walui> Hi, I have a view that does something when it is clicked, but while it is doing it I would like to modify it
Feb 25 21:30:30 <t432> Niya: Do you have a tutorial link?
Feb 25 21:30:31 <Walui> but it applies at the end
Feb 25 21:30:42 <Walui> I tried invalidate but it doesn't work
Feb 25 21:30:52 <t432> I think i get the jist of the idea but if you a link it will be helpful
Feb 25 21:30:56 <Walui> how can I apply the changes before ?
Feb 25 21:31:33 <Niya> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/708012/android-how-to-declare-global-variables
Feb 25 21:31:46 <t432> got it.
Feb 25 21:31:48 <t432> thx
Feb 25 21:31:59 <Niya> Walui: What are you doing?
Feb 25 21:32:39 <Walui> I told everything
Feb 25 21:33:04 <t0mless> I wonder why adb doesn't detect emulators as emulators anymoer
Feb 25 21:33:07 <t0mless> but as devices
Feb 25 21:33:11 <Niya> You haven't told us if you're doing the stuff that you're doing in line in the onClick handler.
Feb 25 21:33:14 <t0mless> so adb -e install doesn't work
Feb 25 21:33:16 <Niya> If you are, then that's why.
Feb 25 21:34:25 <Walui> My view starts as a onClickListener that start's a function, and before the functions loads, I'd like to change the view to indicate it is working
Feb 25 21:35:02 <Walui> and then set it back to what it was to indicate it is finished
Feb 25 21:35:14 <Walui> (excuse my bad english if I make mistakes )
Feb 25 21:36:00 <Niya> Well, if you're doing: onClick(View v) { working(v); /* doing stuff */ done(v); } and it's not working, then you'll want to, perhaps, look at Handler.
Feb 25 21:36:26 <t0mless> does Theme.Some.Theme automatically inherit from Theme.Some if no parent is defined?
Feb 25 21:36:37 <Walui> What is it ?
Feb 25 21:37:08 <Niya> In an Activity there is a "Looper" and "Handler". They process messages from the system.
Feb 25 21:37:17 <Niya> You can add your own messages and code to run.
Feb 25 21:38:07 <Walui> there is really no simple way to refresh the view before the end of the code...?
Feb 25 21:38:09 <Niya> So you can do things like, handler.postRunnable(new Runnable() { doMyFunction(); resetView(); }); and it will first finish your onclick handler before running your function.
Feb 25 21:38:50 <Walui> ok
Feb 25 21:38:53 <Walui> thanks
Feb 25 21:38:59 <Niya> Also, if what you're doing takes time, you shouldn't do it in the UI thread.
Feb 25 21:39:16 <Niya> You'll get an ANR - Application Not Responding - error
Feb 25 21:39:59 <Niya> t0mless: You mean, a class?
Feb 25 21:40:25 <t0mless> I mean a style attribute
Feb 25 21:40:47 <Walui> Niya Can you tell me quickly in what i should do it so that I could search about it ?
Feb 25 21:43:03 <Niya> Walui: Handler? Looper?
Feb 25 21:43:46 <SimonVT> t0mless: Yes
Feb 25 21:43:56 <t0mless> huh
Feb 25 21:43:57 <t0mless> good to know
Feb 25 21:45:01 <SimonVT> You'll see that if you just declare Theme.Some.Theme with no parent, it'll complain that Theme.Some doesn't exist
Feb 25 21:47:33 <t0mless> that definitely helps me understand these system themes
Feb 25 21:47:51 <t0mless> but still doesn't explain why I dont have TextAppearance.Holo.Light.Small.Inverse available to me
Feb 25 21:49:07 <Walui> So if I do long stuff like downloading things I should do it with a handler ?
Feb 25 21:49:54 <t0mless> or a Loader
Feb 25 21:50:59 <t0mless> SimonVT and child views inherit the style of the parent view, correct?
Feb 25 21:51:04 <Walui> What's the difference ?
Feb 25 21:51:12 <SimonVT> t0mless: false
Feb 25 21:51:35 <t0mless> so if the parent has style="@style/actionModeCloseStyle" the text view can acces it's attributes?
Feb 25 21:51:55 <t0mless> well shitfuck jesus then
Feb 25 21:53:34 <supersat> well, that was odd.
Feb 25 21:53:49 <supersat> "supersat #android-dev Cannot change nickname while banned on channel"
Feb 25 21:55:29 <t0mless> it's because the channel is set to registered nicks only to talk
Feb 25 21:55:32 <t0mless> so if you weren't identified
Feb 25 21:55:35 <t0mless> you were considered banned
Feb 25 21:55:43 <t0mless> just leave the channel and identify
Feb 25 21:55:47 <t0mless> or identify
Feb 25 21:55:53 <t0mless> or leave the channel and change nick
Feb 25 21:55:57 <t0mless> is what I should have said
Feb 25 21:57:32 <kakazza> Whatever you do, do _not_ panic!
Feb 25 21:57:45 <supersat> I only see the channel's mode as +cnt... so that's also a bit odd ;)
Feb 25 21:58:05 <t0mless> that's all I see too actually
Feb 25 21:58:26 <t0mless> don't remember what all the toggles are though
Feb 25 21:58:33 <t0mless> so one of those might be registered only nicks talk
Feb 25 21:58:45 <t0mless> goddammit!
Feb 25 21:58:50 <supersat> c = colors are filtered, n = no external messages (from people not on the channel), t = only ops can set the topic
Feb 25 21:58:53 <kakazza> cnt is CanNotTalk
Feb 25 21:58:55 * kakazza ducks
Feb 25 21:59:35 <t0mless> SimonVT even if I override the textAppearanceSmall in the Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar it doesn't affect the close button
Feb 25 21:59:50 <t0mless> which uses textAppearance="?attr/textAppearanceSmall"
Feb 25 21:59:50 <supersat> although +c might mean something else on this ircd
Feb 25 21:59:55 <t0mless> so I'm now confused as fuck
Feb 25 22:00:02 <SimonVT> Mhm
Feb 25 22:00:10 <SimonVT> That doesn't make sense
Feb 25 22:00:28 <t0mless> AND if I go in and just set the text color to like green
Feb 25 22:00:32 <t0mless> it works on <4.0
Feb 25 22:00:50 <t0mless> but 4.0 doesn't use the abs__action_mode_close_item.xml
Feb 25 22:01:04 <t0mless> so it doesn't change the color to green
Feb 25 22:01:04 <dansul> hi
Feb 25 22:01:25 <t0mless> which means I HAVE to somehow override the textAppearanceSmall attribute
Feb 25 22:01:36 <t0mless> because I need it to work on native 4.0 too
Feb 25 22:04:13 <t0mless> welllll shit
Feb 25 22:04:16 <t0mless> I got it to override
Feb 25 22:04:42 <t0mless> but then it changed all the colors in the activity content too
Feb 25 22:04:47 <t0mless> which is what I was afraid of
Feb 25 22:04:55 <SimonVT> Did I already suggest using the ABS actionbar on ICS?
Feb 25 22:05:08 <t0mless> indeed
Feb 25 22:05:18 <t0mless> but jake has disappeared
Feb 25 22:05:24 <SimonVT> Hm?
Feb 25 22:05:29 <t0mless> and I need to ask him why he insisted on using the native implementation
Feb 25 22:05:35 <t0mless> there was a reason
Feb 25 22:05:38 <t0mless> I just can't remember it
Feb 25 22:06:00 <t0mless> I can definitely fix it on pre-3.0 without fucking up the content text
Feb 25 22:06:25 <t0mless> but since 4.0 uses the frameworks action_close_mode_item.xml
Feb 25 22:06:29 <t0mless> I can't fix that
Feb 25 22:06:51 <t0mless> so I guess I fix it on pre-3.0
Feb 25 22:06:59 <t0mless> and just leave the other bug as a framework bug for now
Feb 25 22:07:22 <t0mless> which I've already opened an issue for
Feb 25 22:08:32 <SimonVT> The reason is that the actionbar is bound to change as android evolves
Feb 25 22:09:13 <SimonVT> So your app will still follow framework styline on API16, even if they change it
Feb 25 22:09:25 <SimonVT> styling*
Feb 25 22:11:38 <DrPenguin> is it possible to represent 2 strings as 1 entry in a spinner?
Feb 25 22:15:11 <t0mless> ( SimonVT ): http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=26008 star the issue!
Feb 25 22:15:25 <SimonVT> Alright, done
Feb 25 22:16:23 <t0mless> I could create an entire new style attribute actionModeCloseText, but again, the ICS wouldn't reference this
Feb 25 22:17:39 <t0mless> romainguy when were the TextAppearance.Holo.Light.Small and Small.Inverese added? I have the ics-mr1 branch synced from repo and it's there, but doesn't seem to be in API15
Feb 25 22:18:01 <t0mless> and not on the R.styles doc page
Feb 25 22:26:48 <BrockSamson> hey, i have a log/console in my app that previously worked by looping through an array of strings, creating a single giant multiline string, and placing that in a textview within a scrollview. this worked fine, except now im trying to change to spannablestring so taht i can color/highlight lines, and of course i cant do spannablestring += spannablestring
Feb 25 22:27:20 <BrockSamson> so are there any good alternatives, other than a listview of individual spannablestrings?
Feb 25 22:28:15 <t0mless> You can use different StyleSpans on a single SpannableString
Feb 25 22:28:25 <HyperX> Hello, one question how i would change this to work with ICS http://pastebin.com/XkMk1jG8 as it requires thread or what?
Feb 25 22:29:00 <BrockSamson> yes, i am, but the issue is that i have an array of maybe 100 spannablestring, and i want to display that in a fashion equivilent to a multiline text in a scrollview
Feb 25 22:29:08 <BrockSamson> and you cant add spannablestrings together
Feb 25 22:29:38 <t0mless> You can... just have to remember how
Feb 25 22:30:19 <BrockSamson> i think you can convert it to a regular string with html markup, then add them, and convert it back into a spannablestring, but that seems... needlessly complex
Feb 25 22:30:50 <t0mless> a listview would work pretty well though
Feb 25 22:32:20 <BrockSamson> yes, but for now this is a subcomponent of a largerlayout, so using alistview complicates everything else in the project
Feb 25 22:32:28 <BrockSamson> at least from what i understand about listviews, which isnt much yet i admit
Feb 25 22:32:32 <bilalo> hi all, can someone tell me how can i use the wsdl file with ksoap ?
Feb 25 22:32:52 <t0mless> you could easily embed a list view in your linear layout
Feb 25 22:33:21 <t0mless> I cannot for the life of me find the styling text article I saw
Feb 25 22:36:16 <BrockSamson> ive got some good ones im checking out now (though i really have to admit, im thinking about ditching android pre-made everything and going with a canvas i manually draw on)
Feb 25 22:37:23 <t0mless> BrockSamson you could also just use one SpannableString that contains all your lines
Feb 25 22:37:31 <t0mless> and then parse through it and set spans as required
Feb 25 22:39:50 <Sicp> I don't need to push gen/ since that's generated
Feb 25 22:40:04 <Sicp> nor do I need to push bin/
Feb 25 22:40:16 <t0mless> you mean to SCM? No
Feb 25 22:40:17 <Sicp> unless i want the apk to be out there
Feb 25 22:40:20 <Sicp> Git
Feb 25 22:40:26 <t0mless> right, git is a SCM
Feb 25 22:40:33 <Sicp> source contr..yea
Feb 25 22:40:35 <Sicp> ok
Feb 25 22:41:01 <Sicp> however I do need nbandroid/
Feb 25 22:41:04 <t0mless> you can also leave out local.properties if it's there
Feb 25 22:41:15 <Sicp> no i just have project.properties
Feb 25 22:41:17 <t0mless> you should leave that out too probably
Feb 25 22:41:24 <Sicp> but it has the target
Feb 25 22:41:26 <SimonVT> src, res, libs, manifest, project.properties, build.xml, proguard
Feb 25 22:41:28 <t0mless> nbandroid would be project related stuff for just your computer
Feb 25 22:41:28 <SimonVT> hm..
Feb 25 22:41:32 <SimonVT> That's about it
Feb 25 22:41:44 <t0mless> Sicp you're using netbeans then I take it
Feb 25 22:41:45 <Sicp> ah I see
Feb 25 22:41:48 <Sicp> Eclipse
Feb 25 22:41:55 <t0mless> then wtf is nbandroid?
Feb 25 22:42:01 <Sicp> well it's here..
Feb 25 22:42:04 <Sicp> never touched netbeans here
Feb 25 22:42:19 <t0mless> what's in it?
Feb 25 22:42:38 <Sicp> auxiliary.config.active=<default> x 5
Feb 25 22:42:47 <SimonVT> Well, nbandroid is an android plugin for netbeans :p
Feb 25 22:43:00 <SimonVT> So someone used it
Feb 25 22:43:22 <Sicp> I...might have
Feb 25 22:43:27 <Sicp> yea, I have
Feb 25 22:43:33 <BrockSamson> tom, i could make one giant spannablestring, but the way i set the colors adns tuff, i'd need to store a lot more variables and arrays
Feb 25 22:43:42 <Chronax> Is there any way to dynamically specify a view Id in place of something like R.id.txtView for remoteView.setTextViewText()? Could I substitute a variable there?
Feb 25 22:43:44 <Sicp> Im going to get rid of it
Feb 25 22:43:49 <BrockSamson> unfortunately you cant simply add spannable strings together :(
Feb 25 22:44:43 <t0mless> you can use TextView.Append
Feb 25 22:44:48 <t0mless> append()*
Feb 25 22:44:54 <Sicp> and.."build.xml"?
Feb 25 22:45:05 <Sicp> never seen that
Feb 25 22:45:12 <t0mless> you want that
Feb 25 22:45:18 <Sicp> but it isn't even here
Feb 25 22:45:18 <t0mless> that's the ant buidfile
Feb 25 22:45:21 <t0mless> oh
Feb 25 22:45:25 <t0mless> eclipse doesn't use it
Feb 25 22:45:27 <Sicp> it's called ant.properties here
Feb 25 22:46:05 <t0mless> don't worry about it
Feb 25 22:46:11 <t0mless> you can always generate a new build.xml
Feb 25 22:47:55 <Sicp> well there! https://github.com/Odaym/Cura
Feb 25 22:48:49 <BrockSamson> wow tom thats awesome, append() might work!
Feb 25 22:49:31 <t0mless> Scip all those jars should go in libs/ folder
Feb 25 22:51:52 <t0mless> I should stop poking around in ABS and actually work on my own app
Feb 25 22:52:01 <kakazza> ABS?
Feb 25 22:52:05 <t0mless> action bar sherlock
Feb 25 22:52:39 <Sicp> there
Feb 25 22:52:45 <Sicp> now it's compact and concise!
Feb 25 22:53:29 <Sicp> if it weren't for that pesky system monitor, I'd be sleeping like a baby now
Feb 25 22:55:20 <Sicp> yes, cstr_ ?
Feb 25 22:59:52 <Chronax> Is there any way to dynamically specify a view Id in place of something like R.id.txtView for remoteView.setTextViewText()? Could I substitute a variable there?
Feb 25 23:02:10 <gutano> Chronax, I'm no expert, but I believe the constants for R (longs? whatever) are generated at build time... so this doesn't seem wise
Feb 25 23:02:50 <g00s> has anyone read this by any chance http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Android-Apps-Performance-Optimization/dp/1430239999
Feb 25 23:03:11 <JakeWharton> i read the internet
Feb 25 23:03:14 <gutano> Chronax, you could use the qualifiers anroid provides -hdpi to provide multiple implemenations, or conditional logic between 2 layouts (for example)
Feb 25 23:05:31 <gutano> Chronax, if you don't want to define it in xml, you can create the objects by programatically (but I believe there are perf implications)
Feb 25 23:10:55 <SimonVT> No, Chronax
Feb 25 23:11:12 <SimonVT> And gutano, appwidget layouts have to be defined in xml
Feb 25 23:11:36 <gutano> he specified a view, but thanks for the jab
Feb 25 23:11:55 <gutano> ; )
Feb 25 23:12:07 <t0mless> JakeWharton did you happen to read the comments on the one style issue while reading the internets?
Feb 25 23:12:20 <SimonVT> He mentioned remoteView :p
Feb 25 23:12:25 <JakeWharton> which?
Feb 25 23:12:31 <gutano> =O  put in my place
Feb 25 23:12:41 <t0mless> https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/302
Feb 25 23:13:06 <JakeWharton> t0mless, ah, probably a native bug.
Feb 25 23:13:10 <JakeWharton> woah comments
Feb 25 23:13:13 <JakeWharton> wtf
Feb 25 23:13:24 <JakeWharton> GitHub doesn't enable notifications on some of my issues by default
Feb 25 23:13:29 <t0mless> I fboo
Feb 25 23:13:32 <t0mless> dalfkjas'def
Feb 25 23:13:33 <t0mless> I type good.
Feb 25 23:13:47 <gutano> (wasn't implying class types form var names0
Feb 25 23:13:52 <t0mless> I fixed it on native ICS... but it then changed all the content text color to be light so you couldn't see it
Feb 25 23:14:04 <t0mless> so -_-
Feb 25 23:14:33 <JakeWharton> yeah there's no way to fix it on native
Feb 25 23:14:52 <JakeWharton> same as when you use Light.DarkActionBar and android.R.layout.simple_spinner_item + list nav
Feb 25 23:15:10 <t0mless> Sooooooo
Feb 25 23:15:15 <Klapo> hello guys, I got a problem with Market... can't refresh app list:| got only gmail,superuser and installed via market, but can't show restored via recovery
Feb 25 23:15:26 <t0mless> time to use SherlockActionBar on ICS?
Feb 25 23:15:32 <Klapo> any idea?
Feb 25 23:15:36 <JakeWharton> haha
Feb 25 23:15:46 <JakeWharton> you can do that with a flag
Feb 25 23:16:05 <t0mless> oh right
Feb 25 23:16:08 <t0mless> the delegate flag
Feb 25 23:16:42 <JakeWharton> no there's another
Feb 25 23:16:51 <JakeWharton> ALWAYS_USE_COMPAT or something
Feb 25 23:16:53 <JakeWharton> i forget
Feb 25 23:17:08 <JakeWharton> it was more a proof of concept
Feb 25 23:17:52 <Klapo> nobody is going to help me ?
Feb 25 23:17:56 <Klapo> so sad...
Feb 25 23:18:24 <t0mless> I have no idea what your question was asking Klapo
Feb 25 23:18:28 <gutano> backspacing over your answer now, you insensitive clod
Feb 25 23:18:35 <t0mless> can't show restored via recovery? wtf does that mean?
Feb 25 23:19:11 <dandaman> hi all, i'm kind of new to android and need a bit of help. I have a list that I am displaying, is there a way to put headers in the middle of a list?
Feb 25 23:19:30 <rgravener> i'm using android in app billing and keep getting this error: RESULT_SERVICE_UNAVAILABLE
Feb 25 23:19:41 <g00s> oh oh
Feb 25 23:19:53 <dandaman> I have a list of objects, some are people, some are buildings, etc… I want to order them by their object type and put a header saying what part of the list you are looking at
Feb 25 23:19:56 <dandaman> while scrolling
Feb 25 23:19:58 <rgravener> dandaman: add the headers to the adapter
Feb 25 23:20:04 <Klapo> nah, my list of applications in market isn't full
Feb 25 23:20:09 <rgravener> check the type, if a diff type inflate a diff view
Feb 25 23:20:20 <Klapo> got over 40appz, in market I can show only... 5?
Feb 25 23:20:51 <dandaman> rgravener: so i wont be able to have one activity?
Feb 25 23:20:58 <t0mless> if they're free apps they won't show under "my apps" unless they're installed
Feb 25 23:21:11 <rgravener> dandaman: you can have one activity
Feb 25 23:21:31 <SimonVT> Klapo: Maybe try #android
Feb 25 23:21:36 <SimonVT> This doesn't seem development related
Feb 25 23:21:54 <dandaman> rgravener: can you give me a google query that will be useful for me?
Feb 25 23:21:58 <dandaman> again, im a complete newb :\
Feb 25 23:22:05 <rgravener> post your source code
Feb 25 23:22:07 <Klapo> hmm... gotta check, thx anyway
Feb 25 23:22:13 <rgravener> i'll code review it
Feb 25 23:22:13 <dandaman> ok
Feb 25 23:22:24 <rgravener> then paypal me some money.
Feb 25 23:22:25 <rgravener> jk
Feb 25 23:22:31 <dandaman> http://pastebin.com/U4ihMjzv
Feb 25 23:23:00 <rgravener> what was yoru header going to be?
Feb 25 23:23:31 <dandaman> well, lets just say i want to have a header saying "first 50" "second 50" etc...
Feb 25 23:23:52 <dandaman> this is just for learning purposes, i pulled this code off the listview documentation
Feb 25 23:25:53 <BrockSamson> hey t0mless thanks for the help by mentioning append(), i was able to use SpannableStringBuilder to make it work... http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7386/consolecolors.png
Feb 25 23:26:33 <t0mless> ow my eyes!
Feb 25 23:26:43 <t0mless> so bright -_-
Feb 25 23:26:46 <BrockSamson> hehe sorry, the pink is the custom canvas background before i draw anything to it :)
Feb 25 23:27:17 <dandaman> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3730358/how-to-use-android-addheaderview
Feb 25 23:27:18 <dandaman> found it
Feb 25 23:27:25 <t0mless> JakeWharton any idea when TextAppearance.Holo.Light.Small.Inverse was added?
Feb 25 23:27:41 <rgravener> dandaman: http://pastebin.com/CcQK7yYh
Feb 25 23:27:46 <t0mless> because i have it here in my repo sync but doesn't seem to be in the public api
Feb 25 23:27:49 <JakeWharton> t0mless, for the close button i think
Feb 25 23:28:01 <rgravener> dandaman: use BaseAdapter, never use ArrayAdapter
Feb 25 23:28:03 <JakeWharton> do a 'blame' on the file
Feb 25 23:28:37 <rgravener> has anyone used inapp billing?
Feb 25 23:28:39 <dandaman> rgravener: why?
Feb 25 23:28:54 <rgravener> dandaman: cause only noobs use ArrayAdapter
Feb 25 23:29:02 <rgravener> BaseAdapter forces you to override getView
Feb 25 23:29:12 <dandaman> ok
Feb 25 23:29:32 <rgravener> what happens with a listview is 10-20 entries (views) get cached
Feb 25 23:29:35 <rgravener> they are recycled
Feb 25 23:29:45 <rgravener> LayoutInflater.from(activity)
Feb 25 23:29:50 <rgravener> inflate(resourceId)
Feb 25 23:30:02 <rgravener> I should write a blog entry on it but i'm lazy
Feb 25 23:30:17 <rgravener> anywho, if getItem(position).length()==1, that is a header
Feb 25 23:30:25 <dandaman> rgravener: all you did was insert an entry in the arraylist for the letter right?
Feb 25 23:30:26 <kakazza> What is the difference between LayoutInflater.inflate() and View.inflate(), if any?
Feb 25 23:30:38 <rgravener> dandaman: yes
Feb 25 23:30:45 <rgravener> you have to realize google wants you to do everything
Feb 25 23:30:51 <rgravener> we don't have the benefit of ios
Feb 25 23:31:13 <dandaman> ahh well im looking for something different, where the header will stand out
Feb 25 23:31:20 <dandaman> but ill look at that stackoverflow answer
Feb 25 23:31:23 <dandaman> see if i can figure ito ut
Feb 25 23:31:36 <rgravener> just set a diff bg color
Feb 25 23:31:42 <rgravener> you need to learn how to do getView
Feb 25 23:31:53 <SimonVT> kakazza: View.inflate calls LayoutInflater.from(..).inflate(..)
Feb 25 23:32:09 <kakazza> Ok, so no difference really?
Feb 25 23:32:11 <SimonVT> layoutinflater.from in turn call Context.getSystemService(Context.LAYOUT_INFLATER)
Feb 25 23:32:45 <kakazza> So no benefit over using one over the other besides saving a few lines and characters?
Feb 25 23:32:58 <SimonVT> Nope
Feb 25 23:33:05 <dandaman> rgravener: how will getting the view help me?
Feb 25 23:33:19 <rgravener> if it is a header view you use a diff layout
Feb 25 23:33:23 <kakazza> Also, I keep seeing that people store a reference to LayoutInflater as a member, I don't see the point tho. Can you elaborate that too?
Feb 25 23:33:24 <rgravener> or you set the bg color
Feb 25 23:33:32 <t0mless> JakeWharton it's not letting me do a blame... says it's not a git repo...
Feb 25 23:33:56 <rgravener> kakazza: performance optimiztion
Feb 25 23:33:59 <SimonVT> kakazza: Just for convenience I guess.. saves the extra calls
Feb 25 23:34:26 <rgravener> but the jvm should actually do the performance automatically
Feb 25 23:34:50 <rgravener> so has anyone done in app billing?
Feb 25 23:34:53 <kakazza> Would I notice the performance hit? Because that seems to be a very tiny part, when I already made sure all my Views are recycled and other stuff.
Feb 25 23:35:14 <SimonVT> You wouldn't
Feb 25 23:35:31 <SimonVT> As you noted yourself, listview recycles
Feb 25 23:35:51 <SimonVT> Usually you wont be inflating more than 10 layouts
Feb 25 23:36:05 <SimonVT> Then the rest is cache
Feb 25 23:36:07 <rgravener> SimonVT: you confused him with me
Feb 25 23:36:30 <SimonVT> rgravener: "when I already made sure all my Views are recycled and other stuff."
Feb 25 23:36:43 <rgravener> oh, i don't think he understood :)
Feb 25 23:36:43 <SimonVT> If you mean the recycling
Feb 25 23:38:21 <dandaman> rgravener: how am i supposed to use baseadapter over arrayadapter?
Feb 25 23:38:39 <SimonVT> Blergh.. seriously considering making seperate activities for tablet and phone.. My own code is confusing me :p
Feb 25 23:38:41 <rgravener> you impl 4 methods
Feb 25 23:38:42 <t0mless> guess it's up to github to do the blame
Feb 25 23:40:12 <t0mless> So TextAppearance.Holo.Light.Small.Inverse seems to be there since 9-23-2010... feel like that should be in the API15 package then....
Feb 25 23:41:07 <SimonVT> Tough luck, t0mless
Feb 25 23:41:09 <rgravener> Holo is broken
Feb 25 23:41:11 <rgravener> remove all that
Feb 25 23:41:13 <rgravener> halo
Feb 25 23:41:40 <t0mless> can they hide resources from public android.R ?
Feb 25 23:42:25 <SimonVT> yeah
Feb 25 23:42:38 <t0mless> how do we know if they've been hidden?
Feb 25 23:42:45 <SimonVT> They actively make them public
Feb 25 23:42:46 <SimonVT> iirc
Feb 25 23:43:27 <SimonVT> Yeah, check public.xml in values/
Feb 25 23:44:21 <SimonVT> They need stable IDs for the sdk api, so they actively make resources public, instead of public by default
Feb 25 23:45:16 <JakeWharton> t0mless, 1 sec
Feb 25 23:47:19 <t0mless> so it would seem it's just not been made public
Feb 25 23:47:25 <t0mless> bollox
Feb 25 23:49:42 <t0mless> Themes make me angry -_-
Feb 25 23:49:50 <dr1337> hey does anyone know how to implement a scrolling section divider like the people app in ics?
Feb 25 23:50:15 <dlaroche> I have a network connection on a thread that get's started in my activities onCreate method, however, when the screen rotates the app crashes. Is there a trick to this?
Feb 25 23:52:21 <SimonVT> dr1337: Look up PinnedHeaderListView
Feb 25 23:52:28 <dr1337> cheers
Feb 25 23:52:44 <kakazza> I think it's because the activiy get's restarted. See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/456211/activity-restart-on-rotation-android and http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/runtime-changes.html
Feb 25 23:53:03 <kakazza> Also read the comments, dlaroche
Feb 25 23:54:08 <dlaroche> ok, that's what I thought. I only have the server designed to accept on connection before needing to be restarted. I will edit my server code to constantly accept new connections, until the thread is killed
Feb 25 23:54:19 <dlaroche> ^one
Feb 25 23:54:58 <gutano> dlaroche, might want to close your connection @ onPause() instead?
Feb 25 23:57:39 <dr1337> SimonVT: wow, PinnedHeaderListView is really useful. I wonder why it's not in the framework yet?
Feb 25 23:57:40 <gutano> (or in addition)
Feb 25 23:58:05 <SimonVT> dr1337: Eventually it will be. They even have a sample activity in the contacts app
Feb 26 00:00:09 <SimonVT> Tho the pinnedheaderlistview made by a random dev looks nothing like the one in the contacts app
Feb 26 00:00:36 <dr1337> yeah i just copied the source from the contacts app
Feb 26 00:00:40 <dr1337> going to try it out
Feb 26 00:00:56 <dandaman> can anyone tell me what's wrong with the xml on http://jsharkey.org/blog/2008/08/18/separating-lists-with-headers-in-android-09/?
Feb 26 00:00:56 <SimonVT> You're going to hate it
Feb 26 00:01:08 <SimonVT> It'll piss you off.. But eventually it'll work :p
Feb 26 00:01:13 <dandaman> i get an error on the second textview element
Feb 26 00:01:43 <dandaman> says the markup in the document following the root element must be well formed
Feb 26 00:01:43 <SimonVT> dandaman: Did you forget to put them in seperate layout files?
Feb 26 00:02:04 <dandaman> SimonVT: this may or may have something to do with my problem :\
Feb 26 00:02:09 <t0mless> those are all supposed to be seperate files as indicated by the comments
Feb 26 00:05:34 <t0mless> JakeWharton where would I find this flag for the always use compat bar?
Feb 26 00:05:47 <JakeWharton> its in ActionBarSherlock.java
Feb 26 00:05:59 <JakeWharton> actually
Feb 26 00:06:07 <JakeWharton> it might be broken now though
Feb 26 00:06:23 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: Fix my bug please :(
Feb 26 00:06:32 <JakeWharton> i'll try
Feb 26 00:06:42 <kakazza> How big is ABS?
Feb 26 00:06:45 <t0mless> or gone :)
Feb 26 00:06:51 <JakeWharton> 44kg
Feb 26 00:06:51 <SimonVT> |----------------------| this big
Feb 26 00:07:01 <t0mless> 7 stone
Feb 26 00:07:17 <freecandy> Is there a way to make an app uninstall another app? I'm trying to streamline the testing process and want the tester to hit one button on the phone to uninstall the old version and another on the computer to push the new version.
Feb 26 00:07:21 <kakazza> These are contradicting!
Feb 26 00:07:48 <SimonVT> Is not!
Feb 26 00:08:22 <freecandy> A 44 kg object can weigh 7 stone depending on local gravity.
Feb 26 00:08:31 <t0mless> is there a way to programatically detect if the current theme derives from a known theme?
Feb 26 00:09:19 <JakeWharton> t0mless, not really, you can check for attributes
Feb 26 00:09:45 <t0mless> haha, I just guessed and got damn close
Feb 26 00:09:45 <t0mless> stone = 44.4520523 kilograms
Feb 26 00:09:50 <t0mless> 7 stone*
Feb 26 00:10:05 <kakazza> oh wow, haha :D
Feb 26 00:10:11 <JakeWharton> nicely done!
Feb 26 00:10:22 <kakazza> Still, how big is the final .jar?
Feb 26 00:10:29 <t0mless> it's not a jar -_-
Feb 26 00:10:37 <kakazza> :X
Feb 26 00:10:57 <t0mless> JakeWharton that could actually work
Feb 26 00:11:13 <gutano> freecandy, you can undeploy and deploy from your computer
Feb 26 00:11:24 <JakeWharton> kakazza, it's a library project
Feb 26 00:11:46 <t0mless> I can check if the actionModeCloseTextAppearance attribute is set if api>14 and then use compat bar
Feb 26 00:12:10 <t0mless> because I set that in values-v14/abs__themes.xml
Feb 26 00:12:34 <t0mless> and that should make it all awesomesauce for now
Feb 26 00:13:35 <t0mless> now I just need to figure out your wrap() method -_-
Feb 26 00:13:35 <kakazza> JakeWharton: I've never worked with a library project before. Will it only take the compiled sources it needs to work or will it all end up in my .apk anyway? I'm interested, because my App is fairly small and I don't want it to double in size because of the Actionbar
Feb 26 00:13:42 <Matt_von_Mises> Hello. I need to do a background Service that downloads data periodically. The Service needs to access an Activity so that the Activity is updated with this data. What is the best way to do this? Can I create a new thread with a loop in a IntentService subclass's onHandleIntent and use a PendingIntent to send data back periodically? Is that what I should be looking at? Or do I need to use messages?
Feb 26 00:14:18 <JakeWharton> it probably adds anywhere from 200 - 500KB
Feb 26 00:14:23 <JakeWharton> i don't know
Feb 26 00:14:39 <JakeWharton> I never really cared about size
Feb 26 00:14:50 <SimonVT> That's what she didn't say
Feb 26 00:15:22 <JakeWharton> what is the sample .apk's size?
Feb 26 00:15:38 <JakeWharton> sample apk is 444KB
Feb 26 00:16:36 <t0mless> the classes.jar in the library/bin when I compile is 297kb atm
Feb 26 00:16:49 <SimonVT> My abstest apk is 441 KB
Feb 26 00:17:36 <JakeWharton> so like 300KB of java and ~100KB of resources
Feb 26 00:18:04 <g00s> h, qualcomm is hiring someone to write another launcher; god help us
Feb 26 00:18:12 <g00s> s/h/uhh
Feb 26 00:18:36 <p_l> ?
Feb 26 00:18:44 <g00s> !
Feb 26 00:18:56 <SimonVT> uhh, qualcomm is uhhiring someone to write anotuhher launcuhher, god uhhelp us ?
Feb 26 00:19:06 <g00s> hehe
Feb 26 00:19:20 <g00s> exactly SimonVT
Feb 26 00:19:30 <SimonVT> Alright :p
Feb 26 00:19:39 <JakeWharton> i'm fine with new launchers provided they can be changed
Feb 26 00:19:42 <freecandy> I want Eudora on my phone now.
Feb 26 00:19:43 <JakeWharton> maybe they'll write something awesome
Feb 26 00:20:18 <Matt_von_Mises> Can a Service bound with a Binder class send some sort of update to a bound Activity?
Feb 26 00:20:47 <Matt_von_Mises> So it notifies the Activity that there is new data?
Feb 26 00:21:02 <t0mless> oh yea, if I want to use Fragments with ABS4.0 what do I need to do JakeWharton?
Feb 26 00:21:13 <t0mless> just extend SherlockFragmentActivity?
Feb 26 00:21:13 <JakeWharton> rc1 or 4.0-wip?
Feb 26 00:21:18 <t0mless> wip
Feb 26 00:21:25 <JakeWharton> extend, bundle the official support .jar
Feb 26 00:21:36 <JakeWharton> and use SherlockFragment
Feb 26 00:21:40 <t0mless> Got the official support jar
Feb 26 00:21:44 <freecandy> I suppose it could issue a DistributiedNotify as long as you have a ReduceFactoryFactory service running that can JSON it to the Activity.
Feb 26 00:22:00 <t0mless> oh wait... i think i have the suppot jar from your beta site
Feb 26 00:22:06 <t0mless> the snapshot-4.0.0 one
Feb 26 00:22:20 <JakeWharton> do you have maven installed?
Feb 26 00:22:25 <t0mless> nope
Feb 26 00:22:26 <JakeWharton> run 'mvn clean package'
Feb 26 00:22:29 <JakeWharton> and you'll get a new pone
Feb 26 00:22:30 <JakeWharton> one
Feb 26 00:22:52 <t0mless> need to learn how to set up my projects with maven
Feb 26 00:23:02 <g00s> i read that as , run 'mvn clean package' and you'll get a new phone
Feb 26 00:23:04 <JakeWharton> the GitHub Gaug.es app is a good start
Feb 26 00:23:12 <JakeWharton> g00s, if only it were that easy!
Feb 26 00:23:33 <freecandy> You wouldn't download a phone.
Feb 26 00:24:20 <p_l> I would!
Feb 26 00:24:27 <JakeWharton> haha
Feb 26 00:24:32 <g00s> is the gaug.es app for android open source? i like their bar graphy thingies
Feb 26 00:24:37 <JakeWharton> yes
Feb 26 00:24:47 <JakeWharton> https://github.com/blog/1054-gaug-es-for-android
Feb 26 00:25:10 <t0mless> I will definitely look at that
Feb 26 00:25:43 <g00s> cool, thanks
Feb 26 00:26:23 <t0mless> ok... now I'm confused again... SherlockActivity.startActionMode() calls mSherlock.startActionMode(), but ActionBarSherlock.startActionMode() calls mActivity.startActionMode()
Feb 26 00:26:30 <t0mless> how is that not caught in a loop....
Feb 26 00:26:48 <SimonVT> Wizardry
Feb 26 00:26:53 <t0mless> a spiral really
Feb 26 00:27:11 <JakeWharton> t0mless, two different types
Feb 26 00:27:18 <JakeWharton> com.actionbarsherlock.view.ActionMode on the former
Feb 26 00:27:21 <JakeWharton> android.view.ActionMode on the latter
Feb 26 00:27:46 <t0mless> ahhhh
Feb 26 00:27:49 <t0mless> that makes it clear
Feb 26 00:28:26 <t0mless> didn't think about types when just seeing ActionMode.Callback on both
Feb 26 00:28:41 <t0mless> though I guess the second one has fully qualified name
Feb 26 00:28:44 <t0mless> so I'm just dumb
Feb 26 00:29:46 <SimonVT> +1
Feb 26 00:29:48 <SimonVT> :p
Feb 26 00:30:15 <t0mless> waaait... this uses com.actionbarsherlock.view.ActionMode also....
Feb 26 00:30:44 <SimonVT> Don't try to understand, just enjoy :p
Feb 26 00:30:44 <t0mless> ahh, but uses the Wrapped one there
Feb 26 00:30:46 <t0mless> I gots it
Feb 26 00:33:57 <t0mless> I'm pondering just changing the ActionBarSherlockNative to use the ABS actionmode stuff, either always or just if that tag is found that I set in Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar in v14...
Feb 26 00:35:16 <canadiancow> anyone able to (or know someone) who can design me 2-3 actionbar button icons?
Feb 26 00:35:27 <JakeWharton> that's one of the shitty things about proxying to native by default, we need to mimic the shitty parts too (including bugs)
Feb 26 00:35:31 <QubeZ> hello all
Feb 26 00:35:41 <g00s> canadiancow: its easy; grab insckape !
Feb 26 00:35:53 <t0mless> my graphic designer friend who was doing some stuff for me fell off a ladder at work and hurt his arm :(
Feb 26 00:35:55 <canadiancow> g00s, if its easy for you, then you're free to earn some quick cash
Feb 26 00:36:14 <g00s> ab icons are very simple usually
Feb 26 00:36:28 <canadiancow> yep
Feb 26 00:36:49 <t0mless> I think their design specs make them too small
Feb 26 00:36:52 <canadiancow> but i dont know what i want for 2 of them :P
Feb 26 00:37:30 <t0mless> 32x32 icon with 24x24dp physical image... tiny
Feb 26 00:38:06 <g00s> yeah, i think their 48dp rule is too tiny also
Feb 26 00:38:13 <g00s> it should probably be more like 54 dp
Feb 26 00:39:30 <g00s> the guidelines say small contextual icons are 16dp x 16dp ...
Feb 26 00:39:46 <g00s> heh, i tried that, and couldn't even see the damn thing
Feb 26 00:40:02 <canadiancow> what
Feb 26 00:40:03 <canadiancow> no way
Feb 26 00:40:07 <canadiancow> 16dp is like 1.5mm
Feb 26 00:40:11 <g00s> ok, so the example they give is of a 'favorites star' … but the favorites star in email is way bigger than 16dp
Feb 26 00:40:57 <JakeWharton> SimonVT, you fix the Android 2.1 bug and I'll fix your icon loading bug....
Feb 26 00:40:58 <JakeWharton> :D
Feb 26 00:41:06 <SimonVT> Hmm...:p
Feb 26 00:41:11 <SimonVT> What's the android 2.1 bug?
Feb 26 00:41:32 <t0mless> I was actually going to look into the icon loading bug after I fixed this Done text bug <.<
Feb 26 00:41:41 <dlaroche> On SDK 3.0+ how do you disable the bottom bar on the tablet? I would like for my app to be fullscreen with only it shown.
Feb 26 00:41:51 <JakeWharton> can't
Feb 26 00:41:55 <JakeWharton> SimonVT, https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/272#issuecomment-4139760
Feb 26 00:42:18 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: Oh hell no
Feb 26 00:42:19 <dlaroche> games do this, but is it because they create their own SurfaceView?
Feb 26 00:42:28 <SimonVT> I'll live without icons
Feb 26 00:42:28 <SimonVT> :P
Feb 26 00:42:57 <JakeWharton> it's like 2.1's linear layout isn't invalidating or something
Feb 26 00:43:01 <t0mless> dlaroche what games do this?
Feb 26 00:43:27 <JakeWharton> you can fade it out
Feb 26 00:43:30 <JakeWharton> you can't disable it
Feb 26 00:43:33 <JakeWharton> setSystemUiSomethingVisibility
Feb 26 00:43:51 <t0mless> didn't pfn or someone build a utility to hide it
Feb 26 00:44:09 <dlaroche> sweet....now that you mention it fades out I think that is correct. 3D Bowling does this if you pay attention to it fading out.
Feb 26 00:44:09 <t0mless> that got thrown off the market because it was circumventing functionality or some bull
Feb 26 00:44:16 <JakeWharton> yeah
Feb 26 00:44:26 <JakeWharton> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#setSystemUiVisibility(int)
Feb 26 00:44:28 <JakeWharton> thar
Feb 26 00:44:35 <dlaroche> wow!! So i risk being banned?????
Feb 26 00:44:41 <JakeWharton> nio
Feb 26 00:44:43 <t0mless> now if you use that
Feb 26 00:44:43 <JakeWharton> no
Feb 26 00:44:48 <t0mless> not*
Feb 26 00:45:01 <t0mless> I win at typing today it seems
Feb 26 00:45:17 <dlaroche> cool thanks!
Feb 26 00:45:20 <JakeWharton> Use SYSTEM_UI_FLAG_LOW_PROFILE
Feb 26 00:45:40 <t0mless> I thought it was called like light's out or some shit
Feb 26 00:45:41 <JakeWharton> Or STATUS_BAR_HIDDEN if you aren't compiling against 4.0
Feb 26 00:46:13 <t0mless> How do I check if an attr is set again? is it with the getResources() and TypedArray stuffs?
Feb 26 00:47:26 <JakeWharton> TypedArray a = context.obtainStyleAttributes(attrs, R.styleable.SherlockTheme); a.hasAttribute(...)
Feb 26 00:47:30 <JakeWharton> a.recycle()
Feb 26 00:48:24 <dlaroche> this is going to sound stupid, but how do I call the function setSystemUiVisibility
Feb 26 00:48:49 <dlaroche> nvm
Feb 26 00:48:52 <dlaroche> got it
Feb 26 00:48:53 <QubeZ> there ya go
Feb 26 00:49:00 <QubeZ> just think about it for a split second :)
Feb 26 00:50:23 <canadiancow> SimonVT do you have that link to the blackberry apk converter tool thing
Feb 26 00:50:52 <t0mless> I do
Feb 26 00:50:58 <canadiancow> or t0mless :)
Feb 26 00:51:08 <t0mless> https://bdsc.webapps.blackberry.com/android/bpaa/
Feb 26 00:51:15 <canadiancow> ty
Feb 26 00:51:16 <t0mless> I think the free playbook offer ended though
Feb 26 00:51:22 <t0mless> I know they extended it for 2 weeks
Feb 26 00:51:26 <t0mless> but I can't remember when that was
Feb 26 00:51:45 <canadiancow> march 2
Feb 26 00:51:45 <canadiancow> :)
Feb 26 00:51:46 <t0mless> might have until like march 2rd actually...
Feb 26 00:51:50 <t0mless> right
Feb 26 00:51:58 <t0mless> did you apply for a dev account yet?
Feb 26 00:52:20 <t0mless> took like 3 days for mine
Feb 26 00:52:22 <canadiancow> yea i have one
Feb 26 00:52:37 <t0mless> they're still reviewing my app too
Feb 26 00:52:53 <SimonVT> t0mless: Took 13 days for my app to get reviewed
Feb 26 00:53:03 <DrPenguin> ? is Google reviewing apps now?
Feb 26 00:53:11 <SimonVT> blackberry
Feb 26 00:53:23 <DrPenguin> ah.. I was hoping google was taking a bigger step toward security
Feb 26 00:53:38 <canadiancow> ugh
Feb 26 00:53:41 <t0mless> I think I submitted mine9 days ago, but don't remember
Feb 26 00:53:43 <canadiancow> cause ios apps NEVER DO ANYTHING BAD
Feb 26 00:53:46 <kmicinski> DrPenguin: there's a little bit of analysis that goes on through bouncer..
Feb 26 00:53:56 <DrPenguin> canadiancow: didnt imply that
Feb 26 00:54:05 <QubeZ> wow, i'll submit my app to there too
Feb 26 00:54:07 <DrPenguin> But its never been a good idea for apps to go straight to market wihtout any kind of protection
Feb 26 00:54:17 <canadiancow> thats how shits worked since forever
Feb 26 00:54:22 <QubeZ> reaching the Playbook audience will be nice even though RIM is dying off
Feb 26 00:54:22 <canadiancow> until apple came alogn with iOS 2
Feb 26 00:54:25 <DrPenguin> and it wasnt a good idea
Feb 26 00:54:30 <kmicinski> DrPenguin: that's the idea of permissions
Feb 26 00:54:30 <canadiancow> disagree
Feb 26 00:54:38 <canadiancow> OH YOU INSULT STEVE JOBS INYOUR APP
Feb 26 00:54:40 <canadiancow> DENIED
Feb 26 00:54:44 <canadiancow> its fucking censorship
Feb 26 00:54:59 <DrPenguin> well yeah THATS stupid
Feb 26 00:55:52 <kmicinski> At least if the permissions model "works" you shouldn't have to manually police apps
Feb 26 00:55:53 <QubeZ> Android way of putting apps out there is great, let the community decide what is shit
Feb 26 00:56:19 <canadiancow> Your application is not compatible with the BlackBerry® Runtime for Android™ Apps.
Feb 26 00:56:22 <canadiancow> suck my cock bitches :(
Feb 26 00:56:38 <canadiancow> uses-feature android.hardware.telephony
Feb 26 00:56:39 <QubeZ> canadiancow: make it compatible
Feb 26 00:56:40 <canadiancow> SERIOUSLY????
Feb 26 00:56:46 <QubeZ> lol
Feb 26 00:56:50 <SimonVT> Got a barely-useful app you can upload?
Feb 26 00:56:51 <QubeZ> are you reading device id?
Feb 26 00:56:52 <doogan> thats next level shit
Feb 26 00:56:57 <doogan> RIM is working on it :-D
Feb 26 00:57:00 <canadiancow> no QubeZ, im actually using telephony
Feb 26 00:57:10 <QubeZ> well then of course it wont work on the playbook
Feb 26 00:57:17 <canadiancow> but its an optional featuer
Feb 26 00:57:21 <kmicinski> I assume they're overapproximating from a security standpoint, or just haven't taken the time to implement it...
Feb 26 00:57:22 <canadiancow> required = false
Feb 26 00:57:23 <t0mless> TypedArray a = context.obtainStyleAttributes(attrs, R.styleable.SherlockTheme); <--- what is attrs?
Feb 26 00:57:41 <canadiancow> oh no wait its true
Feb 26 00:57:41 <canadiancow> lol
Feb 26 00:57:43 <canadiancow> sigh
Feb 26 00:57:48 <QubeZ> dur!
Feb 26 00:57:50 <canadiancow> well its also bitching that i integrate with google maps
Feb 26 00:58:19 <kmicinski> Hmmm... I wonder why that's a problem...
Feb 26 00:58:24 <canadiancow> but i dont know if i can make that optional without the market still filtering it
Feb 26 00:58:42 <SimonVT> t0mless: For a View? Your xml attributes
Feb 26 00:59:02 <canadiancow> JakeWharton have you run r17 lint on ABS?
Feb 26 00:59:05 <t0mless> not really for a view... just want to get Theme attributes
Feb 26 00:59:07 <canadiancow> im getting so many warnings
Feb 26 00:59:10 <JakeWharton> canadiancow, no
Feb 26 00:59:11 <t0mless> do I even need that argument for that?
Feb 26 00:59:11 <canadiancow> and errors
Feb 26 00:59:15 <JakeWharton> canadiancow, i do crazy things
Feb 26 00:59:28 <t0mless> or can I just do obtainStyledAttributes(R.styleable.SherlockTheme);
Feb 26 00:59:41 <QubeZ> canadiancow: it denied me too, said maps
Feb 26 00:59:47 <QubeZ> oh well, fuck RIM
Feb 26 00:59:47 <SimonVT> Well, if you don't want to use your xml attributes :P
Feb 26 01:00:10 <t0mless> canadiancow yea, the playbook android player has no google apps in it
Feb 26 01:00:14 <canadiancow> i know that
Feb 26 01:00:17 <canadiancow> but its still optional
Feb 26 01:00:18 <t0mless> in fact it doesn't even have an email app
Feb 26 01:00:27 <canadiancow> "if (feature included) { show a mapview } else { dont }
Feb 26 01:00:35 <canadiancow> but in the manifest, it still appears as if its required
Feb 26 01:00:40 <t0mless> their tool is apparently not smart enough
Feb 26 01:00:40 <QubeZ> i swear, they deny all... they just want your apk lol
Feb 26 01:00:58 <t0mless> you can convert it with command line tools
Feb 26 01:01:00 <canadiancow> time to write a tip calculator
Feb 26 01:01:12 <canadiancow> commandline didnt work for me
Feb 26 01:01:22 <t0mless> but even if you do, they run the verfication thing on it later
Feb 26 01:01:34 <Matt_von_Mises> How can a service determine if it is in the background or not?
Feb 26 01:01:42 <canadiancow> JakeWharton: action_mode.xml
Feb 26 01:01:54 <canadiancow> cancel button should be on the left in api>=14
Feb 26 01:02:11 <JakeWharton> it's bitching about that?
Feb 26 01:02:20 <canadiancow> thats just a warning
Feb 26 01:02:26 <canadiancow> and you should probably make SherlockActivity abstract
Feb 26 01:02:26 <JakeWharton> as someone who is left-handed, NO!
Feb 26 01:02:53 <JakeWharton> i can't tell you how many f-ing dialogs i dismiss accidentally because cancel is on the left
Feb 26 01:03:04 <canadiancow> the problem is they changed it
Feb 26 01:03:10 <canadiancow> but imagine someone who just uses ICS
Feb 26 01:03:15 <canadiancow> and ABS is the only thing that does it wrong...
Feb 26 01:03:24 <JakeWharton> you mean the sample?
Feb 26 01:03:27 <canadiancow> you need to stick with platform guidelines
Feb 26 01:06:27 <t0mless> if I pull the devices screen size with mActivity.getResources().getConfiguration().screenLayout & Configuration.SCREENLAYOUT_SIZE_MASK can I says screenSize >= Configuration.SCREENLAYOUT_SIZE_LARGE
Feb 26 01:06:34 <t0mless> to get both large and xlarge screens
Feb 26 01:06:37 <SimonVT> Yes
Feb 26 01:06:41 <t0mless> or are the flags not set up that way
Feb 26 01:06:56 <SimonVT> You know, you could've just checked their values :p
Feb 26 01:07:01 <t0mless> lazy
Feb 26 01:07:22 <JakeWharton> shit
Feb 26 01:07:26 <SimonVT> I bet it would've been faster than typing all that out :p
Feb 26 01:07:28 <JakeWharton> that reminds me of another project i'm working on
Feb 26 01:07:50 <t0mless> I copy and pasted what I already had :p
Feb 26 01:12:17 <JakeWharton> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=26010
Feb 26 01:12:21 <JakeWharton> :P
Feb 26 01:12:29 <SimonVT> haha
Feb 26 01:12:54 <JakeWharton> oh wait
Feb 26 01:12:55 <JakeWharton> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=26014
Feb 26 01:12:58 <JakeWharton> even more descriptive
Feb 26 01:12:58 <canadiancow> wtf
Feb 26 01:12:59 <SimonVT> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=26026
Feb 26 01:13:28 <JakeWharton> math. how does it work?!?
Feb 26 01:13:42 <SimonVT> floating point, bitches
Feb 26 01:13:48 <canadiancow> shit i didnt have android:exported="false" on my Service :(
Feb 26 01:13:53 <bitkiller> my case of the day: i have a listview backed by a custom arrayadapter. On another activity, I change a field from an element of the  underlying list, and I want that element to be shown with a different background color. When the activity returns to the list activity, I call notifyDataSetChanged and the result is: more than one element has its background changed.
Feb 26 01:13:55 <canadiancow> lint is getting more and more awesome
Feb 26 01:14:18 <canadiancow> oh fuck lint
Feb 26 01:14:23 <canadiancow> it has an error RIGHT AFTER:
Feb 26 01:14:24 <canadiancow> if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT >= Build.VERSION_CODES.HONEYCOMB) {
Feb 26 01:14:24 <JakeWharton> canadiancow, they should add a check for 'Fart' or 'Calculator' in the title and warn you that nobody wants your application
Feb 26 01:14:54 <canadiancow> oh its not smart
Feb 26 01:14:56 <canadiancow> i need @TargetApi(11)
Feb 26 01:15:19 <JakeWharton> can you specify @TargetApi(Build.VERSION_CODES.HONEYCOMB)
Feb 26 01:15:21 <JakeWharton> ?
Feb 26 01:15:38 <canadiancow> i dont know
Feb 26 01:15:38 <JakeWharton> because, you know, they might change!!!
Feb 26 01:15:38 <canadiancow> go try it
Feb 26 01:15:41 <canadiancow> and fix the warnings in ABS
Feb 26 01:15:46 <JakeWharton> i will after 4.0 maybe
Feb 26 01:16:05 <JakeWharton> or someone else can
Feb 26 01:16:09 <JakeWharton> i'm worried about fixing bugs
Feb 26 01:16:19 <SimonVT> Sounds like a job for the canadian
Feb 26 01:16:19 <JakeWharton> and packing
Feb 26 01:16:28 <michaelnovakjr> where are you off to?
Feb 26 01:16:33 <JakeWharton> san fran
Feb 26 01:16:39 <michaelnovakjr> fancy
Feb 26 01:16:43 <michaelnovakjr> new job?
Feb 26 01:16:46 <JakeWharton> indeed
Feb 26 01:16:48 <JakeWharton> Square
Feb 26 01:16:55 <michaelnovakjr> nice,  they finally found someone
Feb 26 01:16:56 <canadiancow> oh this is stupid
Feb 26 01:17:05 <canadiancow> it wants me to translate EVERY STRING in every strings.xml file
Feb 26 01:17:10 <canadiancow> i have an en-rUS
Feb 26 01:17:14 <JakeWharton> translate ALL THE STRINGS
Feb 26 01:17:14 <canadiancow> and all i put in there are words like favorite
Feb 26 01:17:16 <canadiancow> color
Feb 26 01:17:17 <canadiancow> neighbor
Feb 26 01:17:18 <canadiancow> etc
Feb 26 01:17:24 <canadiancow> becuase the rest is the same as real english
Feb 26 01:17:36 <JakeWharton> what's rUS?
Feb 26 01:17:43 <SimonVT> region US ?
Feb 26 01:17:53 <JakeWharton> as opposed to what?
Feb 26 01:18:01 <JakeWharton> en-CAD
Feb 26 01:18:04 <JakeWharton> 'aye'
Feb 26 01:18:04 <SimonVT> uk
Feb 26 01:18:21 <JakeWharton> bollocks
Feb 26 01:18:59 <JakeWharton> michaelnovakjr, pretty sure they're looking for about 20 engineers or something
Feb 26 01:19:07 <dandaman> i know this might be a bit much to ask, btu can someone explain how http://jsharkey.org/blog/2008/08/18/separating-lists-with-headers-in-android-09/ works?
Feb 26 01:19:07 <kamoricks> It should be en_US versus en_CA versus en_UK, because that's how region codes work.
Feb 26 01:19:27 <michaelnovakjr> JakeWharton, yea they contacted me a couple of times but I'm not interested in relocating.
Feb 26 01:19:29 <dandaman> I am trying to go through the separatedlistadapter class
Feb 26 01:21:17 <JakeWharton> dandaman, there's a map of adpaters for each section, it loops over all of them to find which adapter the current position is in
Feb 26 01:21:38 <JakeWharton> if it's the first element in a section it's the header
Feb 26 01:22:17 <dandaman> JakeWharton: im trying to understand how it builds the activity. I want to add a search bar at the top
Feb 26 01:22:59 <JakeWharton> just create a layout with a <ListView android:id="android:id/list"> in it and call setContentView() on a ListActivity
Feb 26 01:23:01 <canadiancow> "this framelayout can be replaced with merge" - no it fucking cant
Feb 26 01:23:05 <canadiancow> lying son of a bitch
Feb 26 01:23:17 <JakeWharton> or don't even use a ListActivity
Feb 26 01:23:26 <JakeWharton> use a normal layout with a ListView and just set your fancy adapter on it
Feb 26 01:23:45 <JakeWharton> list activity has like two lines of code in it anyways
Feb 26 01:23:50 <JakeWharton> more trouble than its worth
Feb 26 01:24:02 <dandaman> i am so lost :(
Feb 26 01:24:02 <canadiancow> public final class BuildConfig {
Feb 26 01:24:03 <canadiancow>     public final static boolean DEBUG = true;
Feb 26 01:24:03 <canadiancow> }
Feb 26 01:24:08 <canadiancow> autogenerated by tools r17
Feb 26 01:24:25 <JakeWharton> how does that work with library projects?
Feb 26 01:24:29 <michaelnovakjr> yea?
Feb 26 01:24:37 <canadiancow> probably generates the same thing in lib project
Feb 26 01:24:43 <canadiancow> its excitinggggg
Feb 26 01:24:49 <JakeWharton> also, should be 'static final' per Java style guide I think
Feb 26 01:24:57 <canadiancow> yea
Feb 26 01:24:58 <JakeWharton> not that we're really java
Feb 26 01:25:01 <canadiancow> it was there with 16 too in the previews
Feb 26 01:25:03 <canadiancow> but they removed it
Feb 26 01:25:10 <michaelnovakjr> yea, that actually is pretty cool
Feb 26 01:26:01 <dandaman> JakeWharton: i am using the class ListSample on the bottom of this page http://jsharkey.org/blog/2008/08/18/separating-lists-with-headers-in-android-09/
Feb 26 01:26:02 <JakeWharton> what package does it go in, the manifest defined?
Feb 26 01:26:03 <dandaman> to display it
Feb 26 01:26:49 <JakeWharton> kind of annoying to have a public class in all your .jar and library projects
Feb 26 01:27:14 <canadiancow> android:enabled is deprecated o.O
Feb 26 01:27:44 <JakeWharton> what happens if you set it to false? does your application run in Windows Mobile 6.1?
Feb 26 01:28:03 <canadiancow> its on a Button
Feb 26 01:28:06 <JakeWharton> oh
Feb 26 01:28:16 <JakeWharton> what's the recommendation?
Feb 26 01:28:26 <JakeWharton> disabled true?
Feb 26 01:28:46 <JakeWharton> I can't remember the last time I've worked with a Button
Feb 26 01:28:49 <SimonVT> canadiancow: android:activated I think is the new thing
Feb 26 01:28:57 <canadiancow> state_enabled
Feb 26 01:29:31 <canadiancow> hmm
Feb 26 01:29:41 <canadiancow> docs dont imply that enabled is bad or that state_enabled will even work here
Feb 26 01:29:56 <canadiancow> adt xml editor wont even accept state_enabled
Feb 26 01:29:59 <JakeWharton> I think boidapp is using my lib
Feb 26 01:30:44 <t0mless> Here's what I'm thinking JakeWharton
Feb 26 01:30:44 <SimonVT> boidapp?
Feb 26 01:30:55 <JakeWharton> https://twitter.com/#!/boidapp/status/173275788446154755/photo/1/large
Feb 26 01:30:56 <t0mless> I'm going to add a qualifier to the Implementation annotation
Feb 26 01:31:05 <t0mless> of if an implementation can support large screens
Feb 26 01:31:10 <t0mless> because the current ICS bar does not
Feb 26 01:31:14 <SimonVT> Ah
Feb 26 01:31:20 <t0mless> default that to false, and set compat bar to true
Feb 26 01:31:32 <t0mless> so if it's a large screen we will use compat bar no matter what
Feb 26 01:31:45 <canadiancow> shit now that my phone and tab are running CM9, i cant tell them apart in the deploy window :S
Feb 26 01:31:59 <SimonVT> lawl
Feb 26 01:32:08 <JakeWharton> t0mless, we shouldn't even technically be using it on Honeycomb which is why I had to add a plugin for the native action bar for 3.0-3.2
Feb 26 01:32:09 <t0mless> because making the native bar use compat action mode stuff on large screens is a lot more complicated
Feb 26 01:32:30 <SimonVT> CM9 made me laugh a bit today
Feb 26 01:32:38 <JakeWharton> i can't force the compat on 14 unless the developer explicitly requests it
Feb 26 01:32:53 <SimonVT> You know how there was a bit of rage when Dianne said Google might have to limit their market access
Feb 26 01:32:57 <michaelnovakjr> canadiancow, what tab are you running it on?
Feb 26 01:33:01 <canadiancow> galaxy tab 10.1
Feb 26 01:33:03 <canadiancow> the one from io
Feb 26 01:33:10 <michaelnovakjr> no camera support yet right?
Feb 26 01:33:21 <t0mless> well then fuck it
Feb 26 01:33:22 <JakeWharton> SimonVT, yeah
Feb 26 01:33:23 <canadiancow> dont think so
Feb 26 01:33:24 <SimonVT> Well, the new chrome for android update got a hell of a lot of 1 stars with "doesn't work on CM9"
Feb 26 01:33:28 <canadiancow> but i was fed up with 3.1
Feb 26 01:33:30 <t0mless> I'll just leave this as fixed for compat bar
Feb 26 01:33:37 <canadiancow> SimonVT, it works fine for me on CM9
Feb 26 01:33:45 <SimonVT> And you know why it didn't work? CM9 identified itself as GB on some devices
Feb 26 01:33:46 <michaelnovakjr> canadiancow, yea that is what I'm waiting on. I actually use the camera. And yes I am pissed that device is only on 3.1
Feb 26 01:33:55 <JakeWharton> t0mless, to force compat you call ActionBarSherlock.unregisterImplementation(ActionBarSherlockNative.class)
Feb 26 01:34:01 <JakeWharton> forgot about that
Feb 26 01:34:18 <dandaman> JakeWharton: do you think you could help me out a little more trying to figure out how to put a search bar at the top of the list i was creating through the adapter?
Feb 26 01:34:26 <Zharf> SimonVT, GB?
Feb 26 01:34:27 <SimonVT> So they basically shot themselves in the foot there
Feb 26 01:34:32 <dandaman> im a complete newb :\
Feb 26 01:34:33 <JakeWharton> dandaman, sorry, I'm packing up my life (literally)
Feb 26 01:34:35 <JakeWharton> someone will
Feb 26 01:34:39 <JakeWharton> ask specific questions
Feb 26 01:34:41 <SimonVT> Zharf: GingerBread
Feb 26 01:34:49 <Zharf> aha
Feb 26 01:34:50 <dandaman> ok, ty
Feb 26 01:35:32 <SimonVT> CM users just proved why it might be necessary to limit market access :p
Feb 26 01:35:45 <michaelnovakjr> ...
Feb 26 01:35:51 <t0mless> dandaman you can either use the action bar and put a search action view
Feb 26 01:36:00 <t0mless> or add a search headerView to your adapter
Feb 26 01:36:15 <dandaman> t0mless: probably wanna go with the latter
Feb 26 01:36:19 <canadiancow> SimonVT: why doesnt it work on CM9 (note: it works on my cm9, on both phoen and tablet)
Feb 26 01:36:26 <dandaman> but i don't know how to do that, i already created a view that has a search bar
Feb 26 01:36:31 <dandaman> i just dont know how to add it to the adapter
Feb 26 01:36:34 <michaelnovakjr> search bars dont belong as listview headers :)
Feb 26 01:36:39 <SimonVT> canadiancow: The build id was set to a gingerbread ID on some CM9 roms
Feb 26 01:36:53 <SimonVT> canadiancow: Market says "not compatible", users say "1 star doesn't work"
Feb 26 01:36:56 <canadiancow> ah
Feb 26 01:37:16 <canadiancow> because samsung has NEVER released a device that lied about shit
Feb 26 01:37:21 <canadiancow> i ahd a problem way back
Feb 26 01:37:29 <canadiancow> i was requiring the feature android.hardware.telephony.gsm
Feb 26 01:37:33 <canadiancow> because i did not support cdma yet
Feb 26 01:37:46 <canadiancow> but a BUNCH of cdma deviecs had that feature declared
Feb 26 01:37:48 <canadiancow> adn were able to download the app
Feb 26 01:37:53 <canadiancow> LUCKILY, i did a programmatic check
Feb 26 01:37:58 <canadiancow> and was able to pop up a dialog
Feb 26 01:38:04 <canadiancow> but this wasnt even custom roms or anything
Feb 26 01:38:38 <SimonVT> Sure, they fuck up as well, but then a test is added, and it hopefully doesn't happen again
Feb 26 01:39:18 <t0mless> dandaman look at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ListView.html#addHeaderView(android.view.View, java.lang.Object, boolean)
Feb 26 01:39:52 <dandaman> yeah that's what im looking at
Feb 26 01:40:49 <michaelnovakjr> dandaman, is there a reason this isn't going in the action bar?
Feb 26 01:41:29 <dandaman> michaelnovakjr: to provide the same user experience as ios :\
Feb 26 01:41:35 <michaelnovakjr> lol
Feb 26 01:41:39 <SimonVT> oh dear
Feb 26 01:41:43 <dandaman> not my choice
Feb 26 01:42:07 <JakeWharton> just say it doesn't work
Feb 26 01:42:08 <dandaman> well, the other thing is, we want the search bar to be on the same page as the list
Feb 26 01:42:18 <JakeWharton> "there's a bug in Android that when you make things look like iOS it always crashes"
Feb 26 01:42:23 <dandaman> going to the action bar and hitting search to bring up another page isnt what we want
Feb 26 01:42:34 <michaelnovakjr> that makes no sense
Feb 26 01:42:42 <JakeWharton> it wouldn't, it'd open an expandable action item where you could search right there
Feb 26 01:42:47 <t0mless> ^this
Feb 26 01:42:48 <JakeWharton> or even the native search thingy
Feb 26 01:42:51 <michaelnovakjr> yes
Feb 26 01:42:57 <JakeWharton> which i've never used and don't know its name
Feb 26 01:43:50 <dandaman> ok well ive got another question :\
Feb 26 01:43:54 <dandaman> im trying to add a header
Feb 26 01:44:03 <dandaman> using list.addHeaderView()
Feb 26 01:44:09 <dandaman> and i know i need to put a view in there
Feb 26 01:44:21 <dandaman> how do i convert a layout of mine into a view
Feb 26 01:44:33 <dandaman> or am i approaching this completely wrong?
Feb 26 01:44:39 <JakeWharton> View view = LayoutInflater.from(context).inflate(R.layout.whatever, null)
Feb 26 01:44:40 <SimonVT> Use LayoutInflater
Feb 26 01:44:58 <JakeWharton> wrapping dishware in clothes
Feb 26 01:44:59 <JakeWharton> genius
Feb 26 01:45:14 <t0mless> Hah
Feb 26 01:45:16 <t0mless> Nice
Feb 26 01:45:28 <SimonVT> Throw it out, buy new when you get there
Feb 26 01:45:39 <JakeWharton> hells no
Feb 26 01:45:42 <t0mless> I normally pack my clothes back into my dresser after it's in my truck by just taking out the drawers, loading dresser, putting drawers back
Feb 26 01:45:43 <SimonVT> ikea (y)
Feb 26 01:45:47 <JakeWharton> these are my Lost glasses and Pac-Man shot glasses
Feb 26 01:45:52 <JakeWharton> and Atari beer mugs
Feb 26 01:46:05 <SimonVT> haha alright then :p
Feb 26 01:46:18 <JakeWharton> t0mless, good call
Feb 26 01:46:21 <JakeWharton> i'll do that too
Feb 26 01:47:26 <t0mless> what route are you going JakeWharton?
Feb 26 01:47:32 <dandaman> JakeWharton: I tried putting in getBaseContext() as the context for that line
Feb 26 01:47:37 <t0mless> Take 80west until you can't go west anymore?
Feb 26 01:47:37 <dandaman> it crashed my app :\
Feb 26 01:47:42 <dandaman> not sure if i did that right
Feb 26 01:47:48 <canadiancow> JakeWharton: lint warning in my app for android:showAsAction="always|collapseActionView" - Prefer "ifRoom" instead of "always"
Feb 26 01:47:51 <JakeWharton> try getLayoutInflater
Feb 26 01:47:53 <t0mless> Since 80 pretty much dead ends in SF
Feb 26 01:47:59 <JakeWharton> t0mless, yeah 80
Feb 26 01:48:01 <JakeWharton> it hink
Feb 26 01:48:09 <bitkiller> please, can anyone tell me if this answer  makes any sense, and if it does, how can I avoid the problem derived from it? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7678007/custom-row-view-in-a-listview-using-arrayadapter/7758190#7758190
Feb 26 01:48:10 <t0mless> You're going to pass right through my little town
Feb 26 01:48:14 <t0mless> if you take 80
Feb 26 01:48:24 <JakeWharton> where's that?
Feb 26 01:48:29 <t0mless> Truckee, CA
Feb 26 01:48:35 <t0mless> right on the other side of the nevada border
Feb 26 01:48:57 <dandaman> nevemrind, i needed to do a this :\
Feb 26 01:49:02 <t0mless> where you'll have to climb to 7200+ feet and then back down again
Feb 26 01:49:04 <dandaman> fuck it still crashed...
Feb 26 01:49:13 <JakeWharton> ooo fun
Feb 26 01:49:22 <JakeWharton> in a U-Haul
Feb 26 01:49:26 <t0mless> Indeed
Feb 26 01:49:33 <t0mless> there is jack shit for snow here though
Feb 26 01:49:43 <t0mless> rumored to snow on monday
Feb 26 01:49:59 <JakeWharton> Well I won't be there until Friday-ish
Feb 26 01:50:00 <dandaman> http://pastebin.com/Z77uguCK
Feb 26 01:50:01 <JakeWharton> so clear the roads
Feb 26 01:50:10 <dandaman> did i do line 45 incorrectly?
Feb 26 01:50:20 <t0mless> mon/weds have snow in the forecase
Feb 26 01:50:24 <t0mless> forcast*
Feb 26 01:50:27 <t0mless> should be clear friday
Feb 26 01:50:41 <t0mless> I'll be at work, but if you need a free place to crash we have guest rooms
Feb 26 01:50:45 <JakeWharton> dandaman, no
Feb 26 01:50:54 <SimonVT> dandaman: http://imgur.com/jacoj
Feb 26 01:51:07 <JakeWharton> :)
Feb 26 01:51:13 <dandaman> :(
Feb 26 01:51:16 <dandaman> i have so little code
Feb 26 01:51:21 <dandaman> i thought it would be an easy spot
Feb 26 01:51:33 <SimonVT> The stacktrace tells you the exception and the line
Feb 26 01:51:35 <SimonVT> Easier to spot
Feb 26 01:53:37 <dandaman> woops, i added the header after set adapter
Feb 26 01:53:56 <dandaman> what is an adapter anyways?
Feb 26 01:54:11 <JakeWharton> one which adapts
Feb 26 01:54:22 <michaelnovakjr> dandaman, haven't done much android learning huh? :)
Feb 26 01:54:28 <JakeWharton> basically it's an interface between the data the backs your list and how its displayed
Feb 26 01:54:33 <DrPenguin> Adapters are fantastical
Feb 26 01:54:43 <JakeWharton> and I don't mean Java interface
Feb 26 01:54:44 <dandaman> michaelnovakjr: nope :(
Feb 26 01:56:32 <t0mless> ooook, so that's not using the compat class.... wtf
Feb 26 01:56:34 <JakeWharton> linux box won't wake up when a mouse/keyboard is plugged in, won't respond to ssh or ping
Feb 26 01:56:35 <JakeWharton> :-o
Feb 26 01:56:37 <JakeWharton> yanking the plug
Feb 26 01:56:55 <readme> noo
Feb 26 01:57:01 <readme> alt + sysrq + r e i s u b
Feb 26 01:57:23 <JakeWharton> does that actually do something?
Feb 26 01:57:25 <readme> yep
Feb 26 01:57:31 <JakeWharton> i've never used that key in my life
Feb 26 01:57:33 <readme> if the kernel hears those keys it will reboot
Feb 26 01:57:43 <readme> just hold alt + sysrq the whole time
Feb 26 01:58:12 <JakeWharton> my keyboard doesn't have that key
Feb 26 01:58:15 <JakeWharton> my laptop does
Feb 26 01:58:28 <readme> neither does mine, so try insert, scrlk, and prtscrn
Feb 26 01:58:33 <readme> prtscr*
Feb 26 01:58:43 <t0mless> my keyboard has it shared with print screen
Feb 26 01:58:49 <michaelnovakjr> +1
Feb 26 01:58:50 <JakeWharton> laptop is the same, t0mless
Feb 26 01:58:54 * readme m$ keyboard here.
Feb 26 01:58:56 <JakeWharton> but no indication on the keyboard
Feb 26 01:59:17 <t0mless> hrm...
Feb 26 01:59:33 <t0mless> I did the unregisterImplementation() for the native class
Feb 26 01:59:43 <t0mless> but it is still using the ICS bar
Feb 26 01:59:48 <JakeWharton> when did you call it?
Feb 26 01:59:53 <JakeWharton> before super.onCreate()?
Feb 26 01:59:54 <t0mless> first thing in onCreate
Feb 26 02:00:01 <t0mless> yea
Feb 26 02:00:06 <JakeWharton> that should have worked
Feb 26 02:00:19 <JakeWharton> not sure I ever tested
Feb 26 02:00:20 <t0mless> time to add debug logs
Feb 26 02:01:04 <readme> i am seeing a lot of apps on the market lately that try to pretend to be iphone apps o_o
Feb 26 02:01:31 <michaelnovakjr> so dumb
Feb 26 02:01:59 <readme> The ones that have TextViews next to EditText and have the EditText background set to solid white to blend it in as if it was ios
Feb 26 02:03:30 <brx_> hi readme, you working on any android apps at present?
Feb 26 02:04:21 <t0mless> readme the general ICS theme is kind of like that with EditTexts anyway
Feb 26 02:04:35 <t0mless> got rid of the bounding box and just have a like underlining thing
Feb 26 02:05:25 <DrPenguin> but without a bounding box, all the text will leak all over!
Feb 26 02:06:05 <DrPenguin> my professor told us a story about how he helped someone out with a parallel printer.. and said since the guy sent so manyjobs to it, he needed a trash bin when he unplugged it to catch all the bits that leak out of the cord
Feb 26 02:06:20 <readme> t0mless: oh man, I had no idea.
Feb 26 02:07:08 <readme> at least it underlines it.
Feb 26 02:07:13 <t0mless> just look at like the ICS gmail app
Feb 26 02:07:22 <t0mless> acutally, it came with HC
Feb 26 02:07:24 <t0mless> with Holo
Feb 26 02:08:16 <readme> I haven't caught up with the latest developments yet, tbh.
Feb 26 02:08:27 <readme> I'm still living in <=2.3
Feb 26 02:08:48 <michaelnovakjr> ?
Feb 26 02:09:29 <readme> don't worry i'm planning on catching up now
Feb 26 02:09:34 <JakeWharton> i somehow inverted caps lock
Feb 26 02:09:45 <readme> yeah I've done that before
Feb 26 02:09:54 <devtekbeta> on windows?
Feb 26 02:09:58 <JakeWharton> linux
Feb 26 02:10:13 <JakeWharton> i think i know what i did
Feb 26 02:10:18 <JakeWharton> i was packing my keyboard
Feb 26 02:10:22 <JakeWharton> and i'm using its mouse on my laptop
Feb 26 02:10:31 <JakeWharton> so i probably hit caps before i turned it off
Feb 26 02:10:50 <t0mless> D/ActionModesDemo(26024): Calling unRegisterImp
Feb 26 02:10:50 <t0mless> D/ActionModesDemo(26024): unRegisterImp result: false
Feb 26 02:10:52 <t0mless> Owned
Feb 26 02:11:00 <JakeWharton> LJDFL
Feb 26 02:11:02 <JakeWharton> yep
Feb 26 02:11:43 <readme> you can turn the capslock led on and off with xset [-]led 3
Feb 26 02:13:40 <readme> t0mless: is the gmail app not installed on the emulator?
Feb 26 02:13:50 <t0mless> no
Feb 26 02:13:51 <JakeWharton> no
Feb 26 02:14:07 <readme> bummer.
Feb 26 02:14:32 <t0mless> it might be there on the google apis images?
Feb 26 02:14:36 <readme> ah, good point.
Feb 26 02:21:55 <michaelnovakjr> t0mless, nah, they don't include it in the google api image either
Feb 26 02:22:16 <SimonVT> they just include the api :p
Feb 26 02:22:19 <JakeWharton> maybe that new chrome apk downloader extension will work
Feb 26 02:25:50 <t0mless> I can see in the log where they both get registered...
Feb 26 02:26:14 <t0mless> is it because i'm trying to do it in the ActionModes activity instead of the SampleList activity?
Feb 26 02:26:28 <JakeWharton> it's a static hashmap
Feb 26 02:26:42 <JakeWharton> but it's evaluated on each activity
Feb 26 02:26:57 <t0mless> which also means I should re-register it when this activity closes
Feb 26 02:27:13 <t0mless> but regardless
Feb 26 02:27:18 <JakeWharton> well you should probably do all or nothing
Feb 26 02:27:23 <t0mless> boolean result = ActionBarSherlock.unregisterImplementation(ActionBarSherlockNative.class);
Feb 26 02:27:23 <JakeWharton> so all compat or all compat/native
Feb 26 02:27:25 <t0mless> is not working
Feb 26 02:28:48 <canadiancow> JakeWharton
Feb 26 02:28:51 <canadiancow> fix my divide by zero error
Feb 26 02:38:57 <DrPenguin> canadiancow: http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/813879/devide-by-zero-oh-shit-demotivational-poster.jpg
Feb 26 02:39:15 <canadiancow> lol
Feb 26 02:41:29 <DrPenguin> mind your math or else
Feb 26 02:41:31 <canadiancow> oh how i hate math
Feb 26 02:41:37 <canadiancow> actually this is an unrelated issue
Feb 26 02:41:41 <canadiancow> div by 0 is easy
Feb 26 02:41:48 <DrPenguin> I dont mind math so much :P
Feb 26 02:42:45 <canadiancow> i was drawing 256x256 tiles on a mapview
Feb 26 02:42:51 <canadiancow> now i have to draw 512x512 and still make them line up
Feb 26 02:42:54 <canadiancow> not going so well
Feb 26 02:43:59 <DrPenguin> boo
Feb 26 02:48:16 <DrPenguin> blah, I hate when I spend a day coding and I slow down and dont focus lol
Feb 26 02:49:05 <canadiancow> i hate how my phone just rebooted
Feb 26 02:49:43 <DrPenguin> Ive had that happen to me once with my ICS Rom from what I believe is to be related to a funky USB driver
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