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Mar 13 03:02:21 <canadiancow|work> anyone know of any decent google remote library?
Mar 13 03:02:37 <canadiancow|work> something that has like... searchForDevices(), connect(), sendData(), etc
Mar 13 03:09:13 <wabz> canadiancow|work: like http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/wifi/p2p/package-summary.html ?
Mar 13 03:11:24 <faint545> for the new ActionBarSherlock, to use custom drawables for action item backgrounds, I want to use the attr actionBarItemBackground correct?
Mar 13 03:11:44 <t0mless> mmhmm
Mar 13 03:12:23 <canadiancow|work> wabz, that's not google tv, and something that requires ICS is no good
Mar 13 03:12:40 <canadiancow|work> google tv has its own pairing/usage protocol
Mar 13 03:12:46 <canadiancow|work> oh shit
Mar 13 03:12:47 <canadiancow|work> sorry
Mar 13 03:12:49 <canadiancow|work> i didnt sya "google tv"
Mar 13 03:12:50 <canadiancow|work> lol
Mar 13 03:12:51 <wabz> had no idea you were asking about google tv sorry :p
Mar 13 03:12:51 <faint545> the background drawables are showing up with the icon and title in my ABS, is there any way to get rid of that?
Mar 13 03:15:24 <faint545> hm... is the ActionBar title & icon both considered to be action items??
Mar 13 03:15:39 <t0mless> Didn't think the item was
Mar 13 03:15:41 <t0mless> er
Mar 13 03:15:42 <t0mless> title was
Mar 13 03:16:35 <faint545> t0mless, my custom bg drawable I set for the action items is showing up for the title & icon area as well....
Mar 13 03:16:48 <t0mless> let me take a gander at the code
Mar 13 03:16:53 <t0mless> faint545 what version of android?
Mar 13 03:16:59 <faint545> 2.3.3
Mar 13 03:17:08 <t0mless> does it do it on ICS as well?
Mar 13 03:17:34 <faint545> t0mless, yeah
Mar 13 03:17:45 <faint545> strangely enough...
Mar 13 03:17:51 <t0mless> then that is a framework bug :-/
Mar 13 03:17:53 <t0mless> more than likely
Mar 13 03:18:31 <faint545> t0mless, hm.. i could of sworn the ABS Demo app has custom selectors/drawables for action items...
Mar 13 03:20:39 <faint545> well this sucks...
Mar 13 03:21:24 <t0mless> i'll look in to it... riiiiiight after this game of dominion
Mar 13 03:35:28 <brx_> how do some apps respond to events from other apps (not system events). for example a wget app i saw on the market fires automatically whenever a file download starts from within the default web browser
Mar 13 03:36:39 <ron_frow_> subscribe to the right broadcast intents
Mar 13 03:39:32 <brx_> ok thanks ron_frow_ had a feeling it would be a broadcast receiver
Mar 13 03:41:48 <krapsky> hi
Mar 13 03:43:14 <brx_> hi krapsky
Mar 13 03:57:46 <faint545> has anyone tried using custom drawables for the background of action items in ActionBarSherlock 4.0?
Mar 13 04:02:42 <t0mless> faint545 I think if it comes down to it you can set the background for the individual action items yourself
Mar 13 04:02:47 <t0mless> instead of trying to use the one attribute
Mar 13 04:05:11 <faint545> t0mless, how would that be done?
Mar 13 04:05:28 <t0mless> I think you can do it from xml, or by your onCreateOptions menu
Mar 13 04:22:20 <wabz> is it possible to record and play audio at the same time?
Mar 13 04:22:29 <wabz> http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27620/
Mar 13 04:29:25 <krapsky> oh my god, thats great
Mar 13 04:33:20 <faint545> hahaha
Mar 13 04:37:44 <faint545> t0mless, i just decided to get the ActionBarView and then get the children (title & home icon) view groups and set their background resource to transparent color
Mar 13 04:38:05 <t0mless> that works
Mar 13 04:55:37 <faint545> is there any way to get id of the native actionbar?
Mar 13 04:55:50 <t0mless> don't think it has one
Mar 13 04:57:00 <faint545> t0mless, well, i mean the actionbarview
Mar 13 04:57:16 <t0mless> again, don't think it has an id
Mar 13 04:57:35 <t0mless> but check in the code
Mar 13 04:57:37 <faint545> in hierarchyviewer it has  id/action_bar but i cant access it.
Mar 13 05:01:26 <t0mless> might be able to with getWindow().getDecorView()
Mar 13 05:07:00 <Lochlan> hi guys, I'm trying to swap the position of two buttons. e.g. to swap Button1 with Button2. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Mar 13 05:09:30 <Lochlan> ooh layout might be it
Mar 13 05:12:28 <t0mless> JakeWharton so now is the latest ABS in the dev branch?
Mar 13 05:16:50 <Playb3yond> http://cl.ly/3G3Q3U3v2w1y0k2R0t0H
Mar 13 05:20:39 <t0mless> congrats?
Mar 13 05:21:10 <Playb3yond> no
Mar 13 05:21:17 <Playb3yond> I want to root this device
Mar 13 05:21:28 <t0mless> try #android-root
Mar 13 05:21:32 <t0mless> instead of just posting a pic
Mar 13 05:21:43 <t0mless> try saying what you want to do
Mar 13 05:22:05 <Playb3yond> ok
Mar 13 05:22:07 <Playb3yond> thanks
Mar 13 05:22:16 <t0mless> ( wabz ): that was on NPR's wait wait don't tell me this past week :P
Mar 13 05:53:06 <djshotglass> holy mother of god just did http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/hello-world.html does the emulator always take this long to boot?
Mar 13 05:53:33 <djshotglass> i could get the apk onto my phone faster than this lol
Mar 13 05:56:55 <t0mless> use snapshots
Mar 13 05:56:59 <t0mless> and it will load faster
Mar 13 05:57:07 <t0mless> but if you have a device
Mar 13 05:57:08 <t0mless> you should use it
Mar 13 05:57:19 <t0mless> emulator is not that great
Mar 13 05:57:58 <djshotglass> is there a way to have eclipse run->run push it on to my phone and run it?
Mar 13 05:58:04 <t0mless> Yea
Mar 13 05:58:06 <djshotglass> nice
Mar 13 05:58:12 <t0mless> set your run configuration
Mar 13 05:59:56 <paradoxxjm> Does anyone have a tutorial on how to implement a CursorLoader with a SQLite database loader. I'm looking at this class here(http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7182485/usage-cursorloader-without-contentprovider/7422343#7422343) and not really sure how to implement it.
Mar 13 06:08:17 <Leeds> the emulator is very slow in tablet configuration, not so bad as a phone - and like all Android devices, the first boot is very slow because it does a bunch of pre-caching
Mar 13 06:09:30 <paradoxxjm> Any one have any suggestions fort he question about CursorLoader?
Mar 13 06:13:56 <Lochlan> How can I change 'android:layout_alignParentRight' programmatically? currently set in XML but i want to be able to change it
Mar 13 06:15:50 <t0mless> use RelativeLayout.LayoutParams
Mar 13 06:16:20 <Lochlan> yeah ive been looking at the docs.. cant quite get it
Mar 13 06:17:07 <Lochlan> ah just found a stackoverflow link
Mar 13 06:17:09 <Lochlan> thanks
Mar 13 06:17:14 <Lochlan> should work it out
Mar 13 06:25:57 <swan_____> im getting confused by some Java syntax.  can someone tell me whats going on in this line of code, " EditText fld=(EditText)findViewById(R.id.field); "
Mar 13 06:26:31 <t0mless> it's pulling the View object with ID field from whatever content was set and casting it to an EditText
Mar 13 06:27:01 <swan_____> casting
Mar 13 06:27:02 <swan_____> ok
Mar 13 06:27:03 <swan_____> thanks
Mar 13 06:27:16 <t0mless> pretty common Java thing
Mar 13 06:55:30 <djshotglass> anyone know what the objectivec channel is?
Mar 13 06:58:25 <t0mless> #iphone-dev?
Mar 13 06:58:37 <t0mless> No idea tbh
Mar 13 08:02:58 <Knossos> What would be the best way to get a thin progress bar (like in >= 3.0) in devices <= 2.3.3?
Mar 13 08:11:55 <t0mless> ActionBarSherlock backports that progress bar
Mar 13 08:12:51 <readme> goood morning
Mar 13 08:13:18 <t0mless> I guess it's technically morning here
Mar 13 08:13:23 <Knossos> t0mless: Worth a look, thanks
Mar 13 08:13:26 <readme> 4A here
Mar 13 08:14:14 <t0mless> only 1 here
Mar 13 08:14:26 <Snuffel> 9.15 AM
Mar 13 08:14:36 <Snuffel> so good morning!
Mar 13 08:14:59 <readme> how is your tea
Mar 13 08:15:33 <Snuffel> it's coffee
Mar 13 08:15:37 <readme> nice :)
Mar 13 08:38:00 <bestKoderEver> hi guyZ!
Mar 13 08:41:26 <bestKoderEver> i have this class that extends ArrayAdapter..
Mar 13 08:41:28 <Ankhwatcher> Good Morning!
Mar 13 08:42:04 <bestKoderEver> I want to set style attributes to the array item..
Mar 13 08:42:24 <bestKoderEver> so i override:     public View getView(int position, View convertView, ViewGroup parent)
Mar 13 08:42:45 <readme>  and?
Mar 13 08:42:46 <bestKoderEver> and then i use the layout.xml for that class..
Mar 13 08:43:20 <readme> ok.. sounds like you did everything right then... is there something else?
Mar 13 08:43:20 <bestKoderEver> but when i get see my arraylist in the activity, they are not styles..
Mar 13 08:43:30 <readme> show the code
Mar 13 08:43:41 <bestKoderEver> oki.. pastebin in x sec..
Mar 13 08:47:08 <tapas> ok, i have defined a drawable for a photo send button: http://pastesite.com/32750
Mar 13 08:47:16 <tapas> and i do setEnabled(false) in code
Mar 13 08:47:38 <tapas> but it doesn't show the bitmap for state_anabled="false"
Mar 13 08:49:32 <readme> tapas: i think that's because you logically excluded it with your first two states
Mar 13 08:49:39 <readme> since they are opposites
Mar 13 08:49:47 <readme> and one of the first two states must always be true
Mar 13 08:49:56 <tapas> readme: ah, that makes total sense. thanks
Mar 13 08:49:58 <tapas> looking into it
Mar 13 08:49:59 <readme> ;)
Mar 13 08:51:17 <zarac> hola! :)
Mar 13 08:51:33 <tapas> readme: that was exactly it.
Mar 13 08:52:39 <Ankhwatcher> zarac: hola!
Mar 13 08:54:24 <tapas> hmm, so do i have to requestLayout after setEnabled(true)?
Mar 13 08:54:31 <paradoxxjm> How does one get the application object from context? (Such as in this code http://pastebin.com/ipKF06Ym)
Mar 13 08:54:56 <tapas> paradoxxjm: does the application inherit Context?
Mar 13 08:55:12 <tapas> if so, just cast the return value of getApplicationContext()..
Mar 13 08:55:24 <tapas> i didn't look in the docs though.. just a random guess
Mar 13 08:55:45 <tapas> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Application.html
Mar 13 08:55:47 <tapas> seems so
Mar 13 08:55:48 <paradoxxjm> tapas, I'm getting a nullPointer in that code, which is why I'm asking
Mar 13 08:56:45 <tapas> paradoxxjm: how does that code compile at all?
Mar 13 08:56:49 <tapas> area is not declared?
Mar 13 08:56:58 <paradoxxjm> yep
Mar 13 08:57:14 <paradoxxjm> area is declared in the constructor
Mar 13 08:58:22 <tapas> paradoxxjm: did you declare your AreaApplication in the manifest?
Mar 13 08:58:27 <paradoxxjm> yep
Mar 13 08:58:42 <paradoxxjm> tapas, I've used it in other parts of my application already
Mar 13 09:03:18 <paradoxxjm>   tapas I resolved the problem. Seems I hadn't initiated areaData.
Mar 13 09:05:01 <tapas> paradoxxjm: ok
Mar 13 09:12:02 <alowaniak> any1 knows a thing or two about UriMatcher ?
Mar 13 09:16:25 <tapas> in eclipse: is there a tool to automatically take all hardcoded strings in the layouts and put them into string.xml?
Mar 13 09:16:37 <tapas> maintaining a  colleagues code ;D
Mar 13 09:16:54 <Ivru> hire a noob
Mar 13 09:17:22 <alowaniak> write the tool?
Mar 13 09:18:22 <tapas> :D
Mar 13 09:18:33 <tapas> yeah, i have a deadline approaching though (yesterday) :D
Mar 13 09:18:37 <tapas> will look into it lateron..
Mar 13 09:19:02 <tapas> so many WTFs in that code :D
Mar 13 09:19:11 <tapas> variable names like button0, button1, etc :D
Mar 13 09:20:20 <alowaniak> lol
Mar 13 09:20:47 <alowaniak> any1 knows a thing or two about UriMatcher ???
Mar 13 09:21:11 <alowaniak> it's returning -1 for me while i would swear that it should get it correctly
Mar 13 09:25:23 <Ankhwatcher> Is anyone in here familiar with maps? I need to put a bunch of points onto a map and draw paths between them. I want to do this without freezing up the UI
Mar 13 09:25:46 <bestKoderEver> ok i back..
Mar 13 09:26:03 <Ankhwatcher> I haven't tried it yet, so if android automatically seperates map updates from the ui thread then I have nothing to worry about
Mar 13 09:26:08 <bestKoderEver> readme here is the code..and a link to a picture explaining it:
Mar 13 09:26:33 <bestKoderEver> http://pastebin.com/iaJ1ex7w
Mar 13 09:26:53 <bestKoderEver> i know it can be a mess, feel free to ask questions about it..
Mar 13 09:28:01 <chithra1> Hi all...i want to center the videoview in linearlayout...i tried by setting gravity as center but no use..could anyone throw some light on it..thanks
Mar 13 09:29:38 <alowaniak> the fuck, this urimatcher isn't working for shit
Mar 13 09:30:50 <t0mless> chithra1 what are the width/height set to on the layout/view?
Mar 13 09:31:00 <t0mless> and where did you set the gravity? on the layout or the view?
Mar 13 09:33:12 <chithra1> :t0mless i created new linearlayout and set the layout params i.e width as 250, hjeight as 250 and gravity as center
Mar 13 09:33:25 <t0mless> oh, you created from code?
Mar 13 09:33:38 <chithra1> yes i created programatically
Mar 13 09:33:39 <t0mless> java*
Mar 13 09:33:47 <chithra1> yes
Mar 13 09:34:00 <t0mless> interesting
Mar 13 09:34:02 <chithra1> and i add the videoview to the linear layout
Mar 13 09:34:11 <t0mless> what layout params you use on that?
Mar 13 09:34:27 <chithra1> layout.setLayoutParams(new LayoutParams(250, 250));
Mar 13 09:34:28 <chithra1> 		layout.setOrientation(LinearLayout.VERTICAL);
Mar 13 09:34:28 <chithra1> 	    layout.setGravity(Gravity.CENTER);
Mar 13 09:34:44 <chithra1> i used linear layout params
Mar 13 09:34:45 <t0mless> on the viewview...
Mar 13 09:35:28 <t0mless> Which layout params did you use on the video view?
Mar 13 09:35:29 <chithra1> i set the linearlayoutparams to the view
Mar 13 09:36:37 <chithra1> by setting linearlayout params on the videoview, the height and width working fine but the view is not placed centre in the linear layout
Mar 13 09:37:02 <t0mless> what linear layout params did you use?
Mar 13 09:38:21 <chithra1> height, width and grravity
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Mar 13 09:49:20 <t0mless> and have you read http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/themes.html ?
Mar 13 09:50:43 <t0mless> I wouldn't mind seeing where you are supposedly defining these styles
Mar 13 09:51:18 <t0mless> but its approaching 3am and i'm going to crash soon
Mar 13 09:55:01 <t0mless> bestKoderEver here's the short of it, if you're trying to use ?whiteBackground to reference a style defined in styles.xml or any other xml files in a <style> tag then you're doing it wrong
Mar 13 09:55:17 <t0mless> you should be using @style/My.Style.Name
Mar 13 09:56:03 <t0mless> how you even got the ?whiteBackground without actually defining the attribute anywhere is news to me
Mar 13 09:58:06 <drlaban> t0mless: Could it be that ?whiteBackground is globally accessible? I'm just trying to figure out how it could work, myself.
Mar 13 09:58:06 <zarac> I'm trying to run an open source project (zirco-browser). However, i cannot find "Anroid Tools". "The console gives me the following message in red when i open it. zirco-browser] Android requires compiler compliance level 5.0 or 6.0. Found '1.7' instead. Please use Android Tools > Fix Project Properties."
Mar 13 09:58:41 <zarac> wow, the second sentence and third should switch place ;)
Mar 13 09:58:41 <pragma_> If it says PreferenceFragment requires API level 11 or greater, that means I shouldn't use it if I have min sdk at 4 and target sdk at 8 ... or is the platform smart enough to replace PreferenceFragments with the old method for the API level < 11?
Mar 13 09:58:48 <drlaban> zarac: Did you download the ADT-plugin for Eclipse?
Mar 13 09:58:53 <t0mless> I've never heard of it working that way. Especially without any prefix
Mar 13 09:59:02 <zarac> drlaban: Yes sir. (i have the sdk manager etc)
Mar 13 09:59:24 <zarac> I've manage to create a hello world project and run it on my phone.
Mar 13 09:59:28 <t0mless> zarac you need to use jdk 1.6 not 1.7
Mar 13 09:59:34 <zarac> bah! : (
Mar 13 09:59:41 <zarac> gaaay ; )
Mar 13 09:59:51 <t0mless> Quite the opposite actualy
Mar 13 09:59:56 <t0mless> it's not joyfull or happy
Mar 13 09:59:58 <drlaban> zarac: That's usually an easy fix though
Mar 13 10:00:24 <zarac> What about the message it tells me. Is there such a thing as "Android Tools > Fix project properties"?
Mar 13 10:00:26 <t0mless> did you do as it suggested and do Android Tools-> Fix project properties
Mar 13 10:00:34 <t0mless> yea, right click on the project
Mar 13 10:00:45 <pragma_> meh, I'll just use the old-fashioned PreferencesActivity method
Mar 13 10:00:45 <zarac> AH!
Mar 13 10:00:47 <zarac> there it is ; )
Mar 13 10:00:53 <zarac> I thought i check every menu. hehe
Mar 13 10:01:35 <zarac> Thanks a bunch. ; ) .. let's see if it works.
Mar 13 10:01:40 * Ge0rG is trying to integrate ABS into an ant-built project. what is the target SDK version to build it?
Mar 13 10:02:00 <paradoxxjm>  How does one apply the holo light theme to a list fragment with no layout?
Mar 13 10:02:08 <t0mless> drlaban i'm pretty sure his other styling is a fluke and not actually doing what it should be. Especially since it seems like it should have a white background
Mar 13 10:02:25 <t0mless> but bestKoderEver seems to have disappeared
Mar 13 10:02:27 <zarac> buu, now i get 117 errors in the source code ; )
Mar 13 10:02:37 <t0mless> like what?
Mar 13 10:03:07 <t0mless> paradoxxjm add it to the containing activity in the AndroidManifest?
Mar 13 10:03:16 <t0mless> or use setTheme()
Mar 13 10:03:18 <zarac> I'll pastie it
Mar 13 10:03:19 <drlaban> t0mless: I think bestKoderEver goes off and on from time to time.
Mar 13 10:03:36 <zarac> The formatting got screwed... but you get the idea. : ) http://pastie.org/3584300
Mar 13 10:03:37 <Ankhwatcher> zarac: the goal of programming is to turn one big problem into several thousand little problems...
Mar 13 10:03:46 <t0mless> Ge0rG 15
Mar 13 10:04:04 <zarac> Ankhwatcher: Hahah ; )
Mar 13 10:04:08 <zarac> great success then ; )
Mar 13 10:04:15 <t0mless> zarac I bet you're not compiling against the right api level
Mar 13 10:04:36 <Ge0rG> t0mless: thanks
Mar 13 10:05:02 <paradoxxjm> t0mless, I know this may be confusing, but I only want the holo theme to be applied to the list fragment, not to the actionbar or the other fragment in the activity.
Mar 13 10:05:10 <zarac> t0mless: I assumed it picked the right. It whined that i didn't have android-8 before, so i installed it and it stopped whining. ; )
Mar 13 10:05:30 <spots> hi
Mar 13 10:05:34 <drlaban> Hmmm, I can't seem to recall, but wasn't @Override usage different between 1.6 and 1.7?
Mar 13 10:05:38 <spots> how can i make a tabhost reload the activity that is running if you hit the tab for that activity again?
Mar 13 10:05:39 <t0mless> paradoxxjm and the fragment is being loaded from Java, not xml?
Mar 13 10:05:56 <drlaban> I'm not sure though, so don't hold me to that statement. :s
Mar 13 10:06:08 <zarac> I have android 2.2 api level 8 selected. How can i be sure which i'm supposed to use?
Mar 13 10:06:49 <paradoxxjm> t0mless, xml
Mar 13 10:07:01 <drlaban> zarac: Depends on what target you actually are aiming for. If you use functionality in 4.0 that's not available in 2.2, then you have to adjust either.
Mar 13 10:07:04 <zarac> drlaban: I wouldn't know ; )
Mar 13 10:07:26 <t0mless> paradoxxjm try just adding the style="@android:style/Theme.Holo.Light" to the <fragment > tag?
Mar 13 10:07:46 <zarac> drlaban: I think 2.2 is the way to go. (the app through official .apk runs on my 2.3.5)
Mar 13 10:07:57 <t0mless> zarac do you have JDK 1.6 installed?
Mar 13 10:07:59 <t0mless> or just 1.7?
Mar 13 10:08:01 <zarac> nope, i have 1.7
Mar 13 10:08:07 <t0mless> install 1.6
Mar 13 10:08:10 <zarac> Perhaps i can run both side by side.
Mar 13 10:08:11 <drlaban> zarac: Well, then you need 1.6
Mar 13 10:08:36 <t0mless> you can have both installed
Mar 13 10:08:38 <spots> noone knows?
Mar 13 10:08:46 <drlaban> zarac: Yes you can. I can choose Compiler compliance level from 1.3 - 1.7
Mar 13 10:09:10 <zarac> drlaban: Is that an eclipse thing?
Mar 13 10:09:48 <drlaban> zarac: I right-click the project -> Properties -> Java Compiler
Mar 13 10:09:53 <zarac> drlaban: I'm running arch linux. Seems like it doesn't want me to use bothe jdk6 and 7 ; &
Mar 13 10:10:27 <paradoxxjm> t0mless, That didn't seem to work
Mar 13 10:11:12 <paradoxxjm> t0mless, But now I've even tried adding it to the manifest and it has no effect
Mar 13 10:11:13 <drlaban> zarac: I'm running Windows. Installed JDK 7 from Oracle and got them all. As far as I can tell.
Mar 13 10:11:35 <zarac> drlaban: Thanks for the tip. However, it gives me the initial red message again. (requires 5.0 or 6.0, found 1.7..  fix project).
Mar 13 10:11:45 <zarac> hmm
Mar 13 10:12:04 <drlaban> zarac: Weird. When I put mine on 1.7 I got your exact problem.
Mar 13 10:12:14 <t0mless> if you don't have jdk6 installed that will be an issue
Mar 13 10:12:15 <zarac> ;&
Mar 13 10:12:35 <t0mless> paradoxxjm not sure... maybe setTheme on the getListView() ?
Mar 13 10:12:59 <t0mless> or style... what's available to views
Mar 13 10:13:06 <drlaban> zarac: Could be that the Compiler compliance level spinner contains a set list of levels without actually verifying they're installed...?
Mar 13 10:13:26 <zarac> drlaban: Probably ; )
Mar 13 10:13:41 <paradoxxjm> t0mless, But its strange that not even setting the theme in the manifest seems to work
Mar 13 10:15:28 <lapdis> Is there any standard sound for a discreet notification in android?
Mar 13 10:15:53 <readme> not that I have heard, and I've been using android for about 3 years
Mar 13 10:16:04 <readme> each carrier has their own sounds
Mar 13 10:16:06 <Mimejp> Hi, I would like to ask a question about how to include a file like libzmq.so.3 into apk
Mar 13 10:16:28 <monsti> hi
Mar 13 10:16:37 <readme> if you have a droid, your "discreet notifications" sound like this... "DROOOOOOOOIIIIID"
Mar 13 10:16:38 <monsti> is there a way to get a notification when an animation has finished?
Mar 13 10:17:12 <readme> monsti: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/animation/Animation.AnimationListener.html
Mar 13 10:17:15 <monsti> thx!
Mar 13 10:17:22 <readme> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/animation/Animation.html#setAnimationListener(android.view.animation.Animation.AnimationListener)
Mar 13 10:17:37 <storkme> if i have a fragment inside another class does the fragment need to be declared as a static class?
Mar 13 10:18:09 <readme> probably, because otherwise how would you instantiate it without first instantiating the outer class
Mar 13 10:18:31 <readme> and since you will reference it by the fully qualified name from xml
Mar 13 10:19:00 <storkme> not referencing it from xml
Mar 13 10:19:30 <readme> does it work for you?
Mar 13 10:19:58 <storkme> not sure yet, haven't tried :p
Mar 13 10:20:11 <readme> I think as long as you are going to instantiate it from your java code it should be fine.
Mar 13 10:20:53 <storkme> let's find out
Mar 13 10:20:56 <hrnt> storkme: what is your enclosing class?
Mar 13 10:20:57 <storkme> thanks
Mar 13 10:21:06 <storkme> hrnt: another fragment (fragmentception!)
Mar 13 10:21:38 <lapdis> Are there any standard sound resources that I can access in android?
Mar 13 10:22:23 <hrnt> storkme: ok, i can't remember how the fragment lifecycle works, but i guess you should be ok as long as the enclosing class stays around longer than the inner class
Mar 13 10:23:05 <eagles0513875|> hey guys im experimenting around with creating a new android project and just trying to get myself familiar with the sdk etc. what is meant by Package name must have at least two identifiers.
Mar 13 10:23:50 <lapdis> eagles0513875 i.e. your package name must be at least "x.y", it cannot be just "x"
Mar 13 10:24:03 <storkme> that's the idea hrnt, i think it should make sense from a java point of view, just not sure how it'll be implemented. Thanks
Mar 13 10:24:38 <eagles0513875|> thanks lapdis
Mar 13 10:24:42 <tapas> oh joy.. i have a tablet here (samsung galaxy) and the tabhoster/activitygroup code i have likes to fial with an java.illegalStateException
Mar 13 10:25:03 <tapas> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Can not perform this action after onSaveInstanceState
Mar 13 10:25:31 <tapas> i have a feeling i'll have to use the support package and rewrite everything as fragments :(
Mar 13 10:25:38 <storkme> do eet
Mar 13 10:25:49 <storkme> you will still have that problem though, probably
Mar 13 10:25:56 <storkme> are you using an async task?
Mar 13 10:26:11 <tapas> not in the activitiy in question
Mar 13 10:26:25 <storkme> ah, my mistake, thought it was a different problem
Mar 13 10:29:16 <tapas> i guess what's different between the tablet and our other test devices is that the tablet has android 3.x :D
Mar 13 10:29:25 <tapas> so there's slight changes in the activity lifecycle
Mar 13 10:29:33 <Duke_Puke> Hello, I'm working with SQLite how can i check if the combination of two Variables stored in two different columns at the same row is existing and after checing that executing a method?
Mar 13 10:31:13 <banpdtr_> I want to set LinearLayout's android:gravity="center" functionality in java.. dynamically.. Is there any function?
Mar 13 10:31:19 <tapas> ok, and it seems this is exactly what's happening
Mar 13 10:31:58 <tapas> quote from the docs: Starting with Honeycomb, an application is not in the killable state until its onStop() has returned. This impacts when onSaveInstanceState(Bundle) may be called (it may be safely called after onPause() and allows and application to safely wait until onStop() to save persistent state."
Mar 13 10:32:16 <tapas> none of our code itself calls onSaveInstanceCode directly though
Mar 13 10:32:21 <tapas> so i wonder what might trigger it
Mar 13 10:33:58 <prateek_mir> HELP !!! does anybody know how to get around the mediaPlayer prepare() error ????
Mar 13 10:36:35 <tapas> i wonder if i can force my activities to use that method at the right time of the activity lifecycle
Mar 13 10:49:35 <bestKoderEver> t0mless hi, i was away..
Mar 13 10:50:06 <bestKoderEver> i cant see why the styling dont affect the textview..
Mar 13 10:51:07 <bestKoderEver> should the ?style.. be enought for an element/TextView to have it set?
Mar 13 10:51:18 <bestKoderEver> *enough
Mar 13 10:53:07 <prateek_mir> HELP !!! does anybody know how to get around the mediaPlayer prepare() error ????
Mar 13 10:53:19 <tapas> another question: the code uses a DigitsKeyListener.. Is there some way i can hook into that? so everytime the user entered a new number i need to update a calculation
Mar 13 10:58:13 <tapas> or is there some other way to add some behaviour to DigitsKeyListener
Mar 13 10:58:19 <tapas> i guess subclassing is it
Mar 13 11:06:57 <tapas> hm or maybe i miss something here. say you have a spreadsheet like application
Mar 13 11:07:14 <tapas> and once you change one number in it you have to possibly update all other fields
Mar 13 11:07:29 <tapas> and i would like to use DigitsKeyListener cause it does the right things..
Mar 13 11:07:51 <tapas> is there a simple way to hook into the process of the user entereing keys?
Mar 13 11:11:23 <por-beast> hi
Mar 13 11:11:27 <por-beast> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9665758/real-time-audio-capture-and-playback-from-an-external-mic
Mar 13 11:11:38 <por-beast> anyone has an idea on that topic?
Mar 13 11:17:14 <tapas> ok, subclassing DigitsKeyListener and overriding onKeyUp() doesn't work
Mar 13 11:18:21 <storkme> the 3.5mm jack is for playback por-beast, i really doubt the hardware supports recording from it
Mar 13 11:21:27 <por-beast> as I wrote in the topic, I'm able to record from it to a file and then play that file with AudioTrack
Mar 13 11:21:52 <por-beast> it automatically assumes that the recording device is the external mic
Mar 13 11:21:56 <storkme> record from the onboard microphone yeah
Mar 13 11:21:59 <Duke_Puke> My app crashes when i do a raw query from my database. This is the query string. Have i done anything wrong: String getAllTagged = "SELECT " + _ID + " FROM " + TABLE_NAME + " WHERE " + FILE_NAME +"=" +filename+ " and "+ CONTACT_ID + "="+contactId;
Mar 13 11:22:06 <storkme> oh
Mar 13 11:22:07 <por-beast> no,
Mar 13 11:22:16 <storkme> sorry
Mar 13 11:22:19 <storkme> i guess i misread
Mar 13 11:22:19 <por-beast> it is recording from the external one
Mar 13 11:22:20 <por-beast> :p
Mar 13 11:22:24 <Duke_Puke> P.s cant connect to pastebin
Mar 13 11:22:25 <storkme> i didn't know that was possible
Mar 13 11:22:36 <storkme> Duke_Puke: look at the error message?
Mar 13 11:22:38 <tapas> Duke_Puke: it shouldn't crash on the query..
Mar 13 11:22:42 <thegrinch1> Hello, I'd like to implemente a Fling effect on my custom view...I intend to scroll what's drawn on canvas.What is the best way to achieve this? Animation or timers? I use froyo api
Mar 13 11:23:01 <tapas> Duke_Puke: but i suspect it's that the result cursor maybe isn't behaving as you expect?
Mar 13 11:23:05 <Duke_Puke> strokme: I just get RuntimeError
Mar 13 11:23:16 <storkme> por-beast: have you tried using AudioRecord to record and AudioTrack for playback?
Mar 13 11:23:26 <Tricknology> Can any kind and brave souls help me out wiht a little jdbc question?
Mar 13 11:23:42 <Duke_Puke> tapas: it crashes before the whole cursor is written
Mar 13 11:24:22 <thegrinch1> tapas:You'll get an exception..Just check the content of the exception...It's quite explicit
Mar 13 11:24:46 <Tricknology> i want to know what kind of file path i should put to connect to the database... like "jdbc:sqlite/path/folder/filename.db" if the database resides in /WEB-INF/dbfiles/
Mar 13 11:25:01 <Duke_Puke> tapas: is there any major difference between rawQuery and Query?
Mar 13 11:25:22 <mikedg> hmmm, its 725am est and no fragmentation talk yet
Mar 13 11:25:41 <Tricknology> Yes Duke_Puke, rawQuery takes a string that is an sql statement
Mar 13 11:25:55 <Duke_Puke> And a query?
Mar 13 11:25:56 <Tricknology> Query takes some other args to help you out
Mar 13 11:26:13 <Tricknology> you can do multiple queries with one query
Mar 13 11:26:14 <Duke_Puke> so for the line i posted rawQuery is right
Mar 13 11:26:28 <Tricknology> i didnt see
Mar 13 11:26:31 <Tricknology> i came in late
Mar 13 11:26:41 <Duke_Puke> Do i need something added to the manifest to do queries and such
Mar 13 11:26:49 <por-beast> storkme: yes, it is exactly what I'm doing
Mar 13 11:26:53 <Tricknology> database queries?
Mar 13 11:26:59 <Duke_Puke> yes
Mar 13 11:27:08 <Tricknology> maybe write permission
Mar 13 11:27:11 <Duke_Puke> or database-handling in general
Mar 13 11:27:14 <Tricknology> no
Mar 13 11:27:20 <storkme> i'm all out of ideas then, sorry
Mar 13 11:27:25 <Tricknology> that is done through a handler and adapter
Mar 13 11:27:38 <Tricknology> you create those, they are classes
Mar 13 11:27:59 <Duke_Puke> im not that good at manifest, thats why i ask
Mar 13 11:28:14 <Tricknology> rawQuery will return something, i dont remember.  Query will return a cursor
Mar 13 11:28:32 <por-beast> ok
Mar 13 11:28:34 <Duke_Puke> i have a rawQuery wich returns a cursor
Mar 13 11:28:48 <Tricknology> look up vogella tutorials on sqlite databases
Mar 13 11:29:01 <Tricknology> ok, is there anything in it?
Mar 13 11:29:15 <thegrinch1> and check out the exceptions....it usually describe what's going on
Mar 13 11:29:47 <Tricknology> you can test by using c.moveToFirst()
Mar 13 11:30:04 <Tricknology> it will return false if it has index -1 (empty)
Mar 13 11:30:16 <Duke_Puke> Vogella is my bible, but he dosn't really explain that part well. I need to check if a combination between columns exist on one row. So if it doesent the cursor should be null
Mar 13 11:30:43 <alowaniak> there's also a cursor.getCount iirc
Mar 13 11:31:11 <Tricknology> then you can use while !c.isAfterLast() *insert logic here* c.moveToNext()
Mar 13 11:31:22 <alowaniak> also cursor's not null, only empty when it didn't query anything iirc Duke_Puke
Mar 13 11:31:47 <Tricknology> ^^ that too
Mar 13 11:32:10 <Tricknology> so does anyone know how to:
Mar 13 11:32:27 <Duke_Puke> So the cusror isn't null if nothing is loaded into it
Mar 13 11:32:37 <alowaniak> ye, it'll just be empty
Mar 13 11:32:38 <Tricknology> i want to know what kind of file path i should put to connect to the database... like "jdbc:sqlite/path/folder/filename.db" if the database resides in /WEB-INF/dbfiles/
Mar 13 11:32:53 <alowaniak> (personally I still always check if cursor is null though)
Mar 13 11:32:56 <Tricknology> yeah, the query method will return a cursor with index -1
Mar 13 11:33:05 <alowaniak> iirc cursor's only null when the query failed, but not 100% sure here
Mar 13 11:33:08 <Tricknology> if there is no result..
Mar 13 11:33:28 <alowaniak> query failed as in it got some exception
Mar 13 11:33:33 <Tricknology> i dont remember aeither lowaniak
Mar 13 11:33:34 <alowaniak> i could be wrong though
Mar 13 11:33:40 <Tricknology> logcat would say though
Mar 13 11:33:58 <Tricknology> "exception near ..." or something
Mar 13 11:34:03 <Duke_Puke> alowaniak, I want the query to fail(bring back null) because if it does it means the combination doesent exsist in the table
Mar 13 11:34:04 <alowaniak> ye
Mar 13 11:34:04 <Tricknology> sqliteError
Mar 13 11:34:05 <thegrinch1> any idea for how to implement a fling effect oncanvas
Mar 13 11:34:15 <alowaniak> Duke_Puke what does it matter?
Mar 13 11:34:21 <alowaniak> you can just check if there's anything in the cursor
Mar 13 11:34:32 <Tricknology> Duke_Puke, if it doesnt find the combination then it will return index of -1
Mar 13 11:34:44 <Tricknology> always
Mar 13 11:35:09 <Duke_Puke> so i should use index lookup instead of checking if the cursor is null?
Mar 13 11:35:16 <alowaniak> if(cursor == null || cursor.getCount() < 1) //combination doesn't exist
Mar 13 11:35:17 <Tricknology> yes
Mar 13 11:35:28 <Tricknology> the cursor will only be null if something bad is happening
Mar 13 11:35:49 <Tricknology> like if your query is jacked up from the start i think
Mar 13 11:36:10 <Tricknology> thats kinda why rawquery is a little harder to track down problems, you put a big string in there
Mar 13 11:36:21 <Duke_Puke> anyhow the cursor crashes at the read-in can sombodey look at this SQL query String http://pastebin.com/sYrrTv8C
Mar 13 11:36:25 <Tricknology> you could misspell something or miss a space
Mar 13 11:36:52 <alowaniak> what's crashing about it?
Mar 13 11:37:00 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology Spaces seems to be right but im a little confused about the " and "
Mar 13 11:37:04 <As4xk> Hi. When setting up a Android project in eclipse and sharing it with git. Which files should a i add in git, except the java files? (files from .metadata etc.)
Mar 13 11:37:16 <Tricknology> yeah
Mar 13 11:37:21 <thegrinch1> are you variables all strings?
Mar 13 11:37:22 <Tricknology> you are missing single quotes
Mar 13 11:37:34 <Tricknology> foo = 'bar'
Mar 13 11:37:44 <thegrinch1> and yep for quotes
Mar 13 11:37:45 <alowaniak> ye, especially forthe filename
Mar 13 11:38:12 <Tricknology> and
Mar 13 11:38:16 <Tricknology> vogella isnt clear on this
Mar 13 11:38:21 <Tricknology> you are opening the dbname
Mar 13 11:38:29 <Tricknology> but you select from tablename
Mar 13 11:38:30 <alowaniak> hmm not certain As4xk, personally i share everything in svn except bin and gen
Mar 13 11:38:49 <Tricknology> you can have dbname in tablename
Mar 13 11:38:59 <Tricknology> err dbname & tablename the same
Mar 13 11:39:08 <Tricknology> or u can have many tables inside a db
Mar 13 11:39:14 <Duke_Puke> the grinch all except the contactID
Mar 13 11:39:30 <alankila> As4xk: I normally add the .classpath and .project only
Mar 13 11:40:18 <alankila> of the eclipse generated files that is
Mar 13 11:40:19 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology, but i have choosen noe specific table right?
Mar 13 11:40:39 <alankila> sometimes there's something under .settings that may be useful, but I usually try to avoid adding anything under there
Mar 13 11:40:56 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology: Can i use singlequotes when it is a variable
Mar 13 11:41:28 <As4xk> Thanks alowaniak and alankila :)
Mar 13 11:41:39 <As4xk> alowaniak: why not the gen folder?
Mar 13 11:42:32 <SimonVT> Because those files are generated at compile time
Mar 13 11:43:10 <alowaniak> because it gets generated As4xk...
Mar 13 11:43:18 <alowaniak> based on the xml files
Mar 13 11:43:56 <alankila> yes, the general rule of thumb is that do not add generated files to version control
Mar 13 11:44:05 <alankila> at least if you have the capability to generate those files normally
Mar 13 11:44:17 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology: I have one DATABASE_NAME and one TABLE_NAME
Mar 13 11:44:32 <As4xk> Ok. Thanks again :)
Mar 13 11:44:43 <alankila> where you select from COLUMN_1_NAME using FIRST_SELECT_CRITERIA?
Mar 13 11:45:13 * alankila hates string constants :-p
Mar 13 11:46:25 <Duke_Puke> anlankila: what does FIRST_SELECT_CITERIA do?
Mar 13 11:46:56 <storkme> don't use string constants if you're sure your table structure is never gonna change
Mar 13 11:47:14 <alowaniak> ...?
Mar 13 11:47:15 <alankila> Duke_Puke: I was just making a joke on your expense. Sorry about that.
Mar 13 11:47:16 <alowaniak> why not?
Mar 13 11:47:18 <storkme> (so, use string constants)
Mar 13 11:47:57 <Duke_Puke> strokme: I use strinconstants for columns tables and databas? Or should'nt I?
Mar 13 11:48:02 <alankila> I make simple systems, where it's not a problem to have to change things around, because it's usually easy to change things around
Mar 13 11:48:50 <alowaniak> if you ask me you always should Duke_Puke...
Mar 13 11:48:58 <alankila> I'm only concerned of "leakage", I want to keep stuff contained but usually write everything behind a suitably robust barrier in the simplest, least abstract way possible. So I don't use string constants because all table and db names and paths are inside a single class, and nobody outside even knows these names
Mar 13 11:49:14 <alowaniak> but...
Mar 13 11:49:32 <alowaniak> so you hardcode the strnigs alankila?
Mar 13 11:49:35 <alankila> sure.
Mar 13 11:49:40 <alowaniak> don't they get saved into the stringpool anyway?
Mar 13 11:49:46 <alankila> See absolutely nothing wrong about that. It's the most readable generally.
Mar 13 11:49:54 <alankila> oh, I don't care how java interns the shit or not
Mar 13 11:50:00 <alankila> that's implementation detail.
Mar 13 11:50:14 <alowaniak> imo it's more readable to have constants
Mar 13 11:50:15 <alowaniak> at least
Mar 13 11:50:19 <alowaniak> for things like table name
Mar 13 11:50:19 <alowaniak> etc.
Mar 13 11:50:27 <storkme> alankila: so you don't ever return Cursors from your db helper class?
Mar 13 11:50:28 <alankila> imo no.
Mar 13 11:50:53 <the_dime_bar> hiya all
Mar 13 11:50:57 <alankila> storkme: oh, I do, but I make a gentleman's agreement that you don't ask for the column names, but use indexes with COL_FOO that denote the index.
Mar 13 11:51:07 <alankila> that's integer constant, so not a string constant, and therefore not a violation of this silly rule :-)
Mar 13 11:51:38 <storkme> what a backwards discussion
Mar 13 11:51:43 <alankila> indeed.
Mar 13 11:51:52 <the_dime_bar> Has anyone here played with NDK and creating an Intent via c++
Mar 13 11:52:09 <storkme> what if you change the result of your cursor? isn't it a pita changing the column indices?
Mar 13 11:52:09 <alankila> I'm just trying to stop people to abstract strings so much. Do it if you like it, but I find it harms readability instead of adding to it, so I choose differently.
Mar 13 11:52:27 <alankila> storkme: of course not, the COL_FOO is just a single integer in a single place.
Mar 13 11:53:24 * alankila thinks a lot of people don't get the point of using string constants, and I see examples of 'public static int TWENTY_TWO = 22', which is retarded. And I've seen SQL statements abstracted with things like public static String SELECT = "SELECT" too. Not a way to go.
Mar 13 11:53:44 <maxagaz> any service is destroyed and restarted every 30 minutes by default, right ?
Mar 13 11:53:55 <alankila> SELECT + SEPARATOR + ASTERISK + SEPARATOR + ... you know, parameterize the things that are actually those you chose, not everything :-)
Mar 13 11:54:51 <alankila> no problem to say "SELECT * FROM " + CUSTOMERS_TABLE + etc imo. But in this case, someone used TABLE_NAME, and my bozo bit just got flipped. Hence the discussion
Mar 13 11:55:31 <alowaniak> hmm I got NAME too (in my create command)
Mar 13 11:55:42 <alankila> yes. Well, let's hope you never need 2 tables.
Mar 13 11:55:44 <alowaniak> but that's in a class that more or less represents that table though
Mar 13 11:55:46 <alankila> Will you go with NAME and NAME2?
Mar 13 11:55:47 <Tricknology> Duke_Puke: about those single quotes... you will put them like this http://pastebin.com/pSu4nKRG
Mar 13 11:55:50 <alowaniak> i do, but got 2 classes
Mar 13 11:56:02 <the_dime_bar> hmmm
Mar 13 11:56:08 <storkme> alankila: whereas the strng constants are a single string in a single place, what's the difference?
Mar 13 11:57:08 <Tricknology> storkme, the difference is whether you want to have the flexibility to use one method instead of ten
Mar 13 11:57:26 <alankila> storkme: I just dislike the way string constants get used, typically, so I'm just doubly wary of them.
Mar 13 11:57:32 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology testing it :)
Mar 13 11:57:33 <Tricknology> that's why you would use Query instead of rawQuery if you can
Mar 13 11:57:54 <storkme> Tricknology: you still need to specify column names in query...
Mar 13 11:58:02 <storkme> alankila: sounds like a good reason not to use something :)
Mar 13 11:58:06 <Tricknology> yes, but it's in a string
Mar 13 11:58:11 <Tricknology> string[]
Mar 13 11:58:56 <Tricknology> allowing for any number of where args with one statement so to speak
Mar 13 11:58:57 <Insayne> Hello, I developed using various languages (C, C++, Python, etc) and I wanted to pickup Java and code for android... what would you guys recommend as a good book that teaches both ?
Mar 13 11:59:10 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology: HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Mar 13 11:59:13 <Tricknology> you're not limited to the way you build your string.. unless you want to go and make for loops for all that
Mar 13 11:59:19 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology: IT WORKED :D
Mar 13 11:59:19 <Tricknology> eeh?
Mar 13 11:59:24 <Tricknology> yaaay! :D
Mar 13 11:59:44 <Tricknology> I was once the victim of the very same cruel trick
Mar 13 12:00:06 <alowaniak> hmm Insayne i never read books tbh, but I think you should be able to pick it up by checking out examples etc
Mar 13 12:00:11 <Tricknology> you have to do it that way for server-side db.. so it's good to learn.. per se
Mar 13 12:00:19 <alowaniak> and some easy tuts
Mar 13 12:00:27 <Duke_Puke> Tricknology now the problem is my if/else statement wich return dead code but that will be fixed. Thanks for all the help :D
Mar 13 12:00:34 <storkme> new String[] { Col.ID, Col.Name, etc }
Mar 13 12:01:01 <Insayne> alowaniak, I have been doing so, and coming along nicerly, but I feel like I lack some fundamentals sooner or later...
Mar 13 12:01:07 <Tricknology> no prob.. but when using db on android i would just go with query, one function can do a lot if you pass it the right args
Mar 13 12:01:15 <Tricknology> makes things cleaner, and scalable
Mar 13 12:01:35 <storkme> agreed
Mar 13 12:03:05 <alowaniak> oh btw Duke_Puke
Mar 13 12:03:13 <alowaniak> you could've used = ?
Mar 13 12:03:27 <alowaniak> and then add filename and contactid in selectionargs
Mar 13 12:04:06 <lov> Insayne: I'd recommend learning java before android. Java should be reasonably familiar if you've done C++.
Mar 13 12:04:23 <lov> Insayne: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/index.html
Mar 13 12:04:44 <lov> take a look through those. When you understand what's in there you've got a reasonable grasp of the language and can start figuring out how Android is doing things
Mar 13 12:05:08 <lov> there are a zillion c++ to java books out there, you might want to ask #java if there's one they recommend
Mar 13 12:05:44 <Tricknology> lov, can you give me a pointer?
Mar 13 12:05:46 <alankila> java is a lot like c++ without all the difficult bits, with some frustrating limitations thrown in.
Mar 13 12:05:58 <lov> heh
Mar 13 12:06:13 <Tricknology> i want to know what kind of file path i should put to connect to the database... like "jdbc:sqlite/path/folder/filename.db" if the database resides in /WEB-INF/dbfiles/ ?
Mar 13 12:06:15 <lov> maxagaz: I don't know if that's a default but it's possibility
Mar 13 12:06:18 <Tricknology> i f*cking hate c++
Mar 13 12:06:39 <lov> maxagaz: if the service isn't in the foreground (or a foreground activity isn't binding to it) it falls under the regular lifecycle rules
Mar 13 12:06:55 <lov> maxagaz: you can set the service as a foreground service if you need it to be constantly running without interruption
Mar 13 12:07:08 <lov> Tricknology: zing
Mar 13 12:07:31 <lov> Tricknology: where is WEB-INF? In the apk or some random jar?
Mar 13 12:07:35 <maxagaz> lov: it's not in the foreground by default ?
Mar 13 12:07:41 <lov> Tricknology: if this is sqlite I'm not sure how to get it to open an arbitrary file offhand
Mar 13 12:07:49 <lov> maxagaz: no. Read the service docs about the lifecycle
Mar 13 12:07:59 <lov> and then take a look at adb shell dumpsys activity
Mar 13 12:08:53 <lov> Tricknology: I actually strongly suspect that you can't just use an inputstream or what have you; you'll probably need to extract it somewhere, at least temporarily
Mar 13 12:10:38 <Tricknology> luv: I know i shouldnt be asking this here.. it's a server side question.  WEB-INF is located on a server but im not sure of my static path.  i juse get to see home/user/me/.../web-inf/databasefiles/db
Mar 13 12:11:27 <the_dime_bar> :)
Mar 13 12:11:31 <alankila> Tricknology: just extract the war file and look at it and then acquire the context root and write the path?
Mar 13 12:11:44 <the_dime_bar> adroid needs better native c++ if u ask me
Mar 13 12:12:07 <maxagaz> lov: thanks
Mar 13 12:12:13 <alankila> the_dime_bar: better in what way?
Mar 13 12:12:13 <phokus> java is no c++
Mar 13 12:12:26 <phokus> java is a mistake
Mar 13 12:13:28 <phokus> but, alas, has been pretty successful as the first prominent and widely-utilized arch independent platform
Mar 13 12:13:39 <the_dime_bar> better keyboard api, a simple way to send Intents (which I still cant get working)
Mar 13 12:13:54 <maxagaz> is it possible to set SharedPreferences from a widget service ? It makes my app crash for the moment
Mar 13 12:14:17 <thegrinch1> does someone know where to get the listview source code?
Mar 13 12:14:55 <SimonVT> thegrinch1: You can download the sources for api14/15 through the sdk manager
Mar 13 12:15:05 <thegrinch1> ok...thanks
Mar 13 12:15:37 <the_dime_bar> alankila: have you played with startIntent using c++ by any chance ?
Mar 13 12:15:42 <nvt> I have an FTDI USB chip for Android, where should I see the usb device listed? maybe /dev/bus/usb? I have Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (not rooted)
Mar 13 12:16:07 <nvt> there's only file '001'
Mar 13 12:17:11 <nvt> similar problem as here: http://osdir.com/ml/Android-Developers/2012-02/msg03493.html
Mar 13 12:17:53 <the_dime_bar> Ive tried alot of things but I cant get passed android.content.ActivityNotFoundException: Unable to find explicit activity class {com.test.app/.AppMediaPlayer}; have you declared this activity in your AndroidManifest.xml?
Mar 13 12:19:09 <UnbertKant> oh, hi!
Mar 13 12:19:39 <UnbertKant> If I have an int that represents a color and an ImageView, what's the right way to make that ImageView look like the color?
Mar 13 12:20:16 <brx_> the_dime_bar: have you declared the activity in the manifest as it says?
Mar 13 12:20:34 <the_dime_bar> yeah i know but i have ... hold on ill pastebin it
Mar 13 12:20:43 <nvt> or should the device be rooted to be able to use USB devices
Mar 13 12:20:49 <alowaniak> huh? how do you mean UnbertKant?
Mar 13 12:21:53 <the_dime_bar> hmm pastebin not up
Mar 13 12:21:56 <the_dime_bar> errm
Mar 13 12:22:15 <Mikellip> try mysticpaste then :P there's hundreds of these services
Mar 13 12:22:40 <the_dime_bar> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1516912
Mar 13 12:22:48 <the_dime_bar> :)
Mar 13 12:23:00 <brx_> the_dime_bar: are you using eclipse? there is a nice gui to allow you to add activitys in the manifest, if you open the manifest and click on the "applications" tab ( i think)
Mar 13 12:23:08 <brx_> you can add the activity down at the bottom
Mar 13 12:23:37 <the_dime_bar> no not using eclipse using vi :)
Mar 13 12:23:52 <Mikellip> unnecessary :-P
Mar 13 12:23:58 <alankila> the_dime_bar: no
Mar 13 12:24:02 <phokus> register you're own service
Mar 13 12:24:06 <phokus> your
Mar 13 12:25:04 <brx_> the_dime_bar: eclipse will make things much faster for you until you are like super fluent in android sdk and java
Mar 13 12:25:05 <the_dime_bar> the odd thing about it all is that if i run: libs/android-sdk-macosx/platform-tools/adb -d shell am start -e debug true -a android.intent.action.MAIN -n com.test.app/.AppMediaPlayer i get my new activity
Mar 13 12:25:10 <phokus> create an intent to maintain persistence
Mar 13 12:25:26 <phokus> and launch your intents from that svc
Mar 13 12:26:49 <phokus> its an 'undocumented feature'
Mar 13 12:27:20 <the_dime_bar> phokus: any links you can throw my way ?
Mar 13 12:28:06 <phokus> no unfortunately
Mar 13 12:30:51 <spots> how can i restart an tab activity?
Mar 13 12:34:03 <UnbertKant> Well, I mean say I have the int 0xFFFF0000, which represents red. Now I have an image view and I want it to look red. What's the elegant way of doing this?
Mar 13 12:34:37 <UnbertKant> Up until now the color was fixed so I just used imageview.setImageDrawable(getContext().getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.somecolor...
Mar 13 12:34:56 <alankila> UnbertKant: you might want to blend with red color, like using an overlay with color 0x22ff0000?
Mar 13 12:37:08 <UnbertKant> Well, for fading I use startAnimation, which works fine.
Mar 13 12:37:50 <UnbertKant> maybe there is something like new Drawable(int color)?
Mar 13 12:38:38 <UnbertKant> oh, maybe shape is the answer...
Mar 13 12:39:40 <phokus> anyone here work with any of the original xoom models?
Mar 13 12:39:43 <UnbertKant> No, that's not it. Hm, it can't be that hard to set an ImageView to a solid color...
Mar 13 12:39:57 <brx_> UnbertKant: can you not just store the colo in strings xml file and then get it via getresources?
Mar 13 12:40:21 <UnbertKant> no, the color is determined programmatically
Mar 13 12:42:53 <Duke_Puke> alowniak: Thank you (sorry was away eating) I think ill use =? for getting the contacts later :)
Mar 13 12:43:12 <alowaniak> np
Mar 13 12:43:55 <alowaniak> is there a way to remove all breakpoints in a project in eclipse?
Mar 13 12:44:55 <ozo> alowaniak: if you google exactly that, you will get your answer
Mar 13 12:45:23 <alowaniak> k:p
Mar 13 12:46:23 <alowaniak> ty xD
Mar 13 12:52:03 <ozo> :)
Mar 13 12:56:02 <`z> ozo, so... i'll have to google "exactly that" to get my answer?
Mar 13 12:56:03 <`z> thanks!
Mar 13 12:56:40 <lov> alowaniak: open the breakpoints tab, select all the breakpoints, press delete :P
Mar 13 12:56:54 <alowaniak> ye found it after googlin:p
Mar 13 12:57:00 <alowaniak> but thnks anyway :)
Mar 13 13:00:42 <MrChyizPyiz> The good ole og tripple og droid
Mar 13 13:21:07 <alowaniak> hmmm
Mar 13 13:21:37 <alowaniak> i made a sqlite table
Mar 13 13:21:44 <alowaniak> with a field:
Mar 13 13:22:03 <alowaniak> scan_id INTEGER REFERENCES scan(_id) ON DELET CASCADE
Mar 13 13:22:14 <alowaniak> now i removed a row in the scan table
Mar 13 13:22:28 <alowaniak> and the fields in the other table are still there...
Mar 13 13:22:41 <alowaniak> ON DELETE* btw
Mar 13 13:23:32 <roger_padactor> hello, can someone try and help me figure out my my async task is not working... ?
Mar 13 13:24:00 <alowaniak> ohw8 mayb i need to enable that pragma stuff
Mar 13 13:24:39 <lov> roger_padactor: attach a debugger, come back when you can form a more specific question.
Mar 13 13:24:43 <roger_padactor> it was working.... not its not :)
Mar 13 13:25:11 <roger_padactor> lov. its not being executed.
Mar 13 13:25:41 <Mikellip> roger_padactor: then check why execute is not run
Mar 13 13:26:01 <Mikellip> roger_padactor: impossible to help you as of now, no information to go on
Mar 13 13:26:09 <Mikellip> roger_padactor: "not working" is not a good description
Mar 13 13:27:33 <readme> Is it possible that the /proc/stat file would ever not be encoded in ascii?
Mar 13 13:27:46 <readme> I mean, without some sort of serious announcement
Mar 13 13:28:46 <thegrinch1> Is it possible to use a view's animation to update what's drawn in a custom view?
Mar 13 13:29:05 <thegrinch1> API8
Mar 13 13:29:16 <roger_padactor> hmmm, i left it running long enough and it ran. its like something else was holding it up?
Mar 13 13:30:06 <lov> >_<
Mar 13 13:30:10 <lov> were you, pray tell, blocking the UI thread?
Mar 13 13:30:19 <lov> or perhaps you were running another async task?
Mar 13 13:30:25 <lov> (iirc async tasks are serialized)
Mar 13 13:30:48 <lov> roger_padactor: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Mar 13 13:30:50 <lov> please read this.
Mar 13 13:30:51 <roger_padactor> not that I know of. everything is in async that doesn't have to do with the UI
Mar 13 13:31:12 <roger_padactor> its seems that one async task got hung up
Mar 13 13:32:03 <readme> if it sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, it's probably a concurrency mistake.
Mar 13 13:33:19 <vishrayne> Is it possible to perform database writes from multiple threads ?
Mar 13 13:34:15 <readme> vishrayne: sqlite locks (the entire database) during writes, so I don't see why it should be an issue
Mar 13 13:35:23 <vishrayne> I tried it, and this happens.. 'sqliteexception'
Mar 13 13:35:41 <readme> sqlite faq says multiple processes are ok
Mar 13 13:35:43 <readme> maybe threads are not
Mar 13 13:35:47 <readme> show a stack trace?
Mar 13 13:36:20 <vishrayne> yes, but not sure abt writes
Mar 13 13:36:37 <readme> it might not be the database but the API you're using that isn't thread safe.
Mar 13 13:36:55 <roger_padactor> it was an async that checks for updates that was blocking it... I guess it can't connect so it hangs... have to fix that.
Mar 13 13:37:09 <vishrayne> readme, exception says database is locked, the same thing you told me
Mar 13 13:37:17 <readme> ah see, it's thread safe :)
Mar 13 13:37:26 <readme> just synchronize around it
Mar 13 13:37:50 <vishrayne> ok, i thought i will have to go for content providers
Mar 13 13:38:20 <readme> ContentProvider is only necessary if you need to share your data with other applications... I will warn.. it can be painful once the schema gets complicated
Mar 13 13:38:33 <vishrayne> true!
Mar 13 13:38:55 <vishrayne> again what if i have to provide a searchable configuration ? anyother suggestions ?
Mar 13 13:39:10 <alowaniak> hmm
Mar 13 13:39:31 <alowaniak> i got a SQLite Manager app
Mar 13 13:39:48 <alowaniak> and ran the statements: pragma foreign_keys; which resulted in 0
Mar 13 13:40:03 <alowaniak> then ran: pragma foreign keys = ON; (which obv gave no result)
Mar 13 13:40:07 <readme> don't most sqlite statemnts begin with .
Mar 13 13:40:15 <readme> the non-query ones, anyway
Mar 13 13:40:24 <alowaniak> then ran pragma foreign_keys; again, and it gave me 0 again :S
Mar 13 13:40:39 <alowaniak> they do?
Mar 13 13:40:48 <alowaniak> sqlite.org/foreignkeys.html doesn't show a . ...
Mar 13 13:40:55 <readme> oh, pragma is sql
Mar 13 13:41:07 <readme> carry on
Mar 13 13:41:11 <alowaniak> anyway
Mar 13 13:41:18 <alowaniak> it seems like it doesn't turn foreign_keys on
Mar 13 13:41:32 <readme> I'll try it
Mar 13 13:42:37 <alowaniak> (I got a foreign key constraint and did db.execSql("PRAGMA foreign_keys = ON;") in onCreate (and onUpdate) of SQLiteOpenHelper but it wasn't cascading on delete so...)
Mar 13 13:42:54 <readme> alowaniak: i get different results on sqlite3 on the emulator and on my development machine
Mar 13 13:43:01 <readme> the emulator doesn't print anything
Mar 13 13:43:10 <readme> development machine works as expected
Mar 13 13:43:19 <alowaniak> hmwell im on development machine
Mar 13 13:44:07 <vishrayne> alowaniak, u sure the database is not readonly ?
Mar 13 13:44:21 <readme> alowaniak: you're using a "sqlite manager app"? do you get the same result if you use sqlite3 on the cmd line?
Mar 13 13:45:58 <alowaniak> vishrayne hmye i think so..?
Mar 13 13:46:15 <alowaniak> readme, no idea, but just tried another sqlite manager app
Mar 13 13:46:17 <alowaniak> and it works in that one
Mar 13 13:46:58 <alowaniak> gonna remove my db and install app again
Mar 13 13:47:39 <vishrayne> alowaniak,  please make sure db.isReadOnly returns false before u execute the pragma statement
Mar 13 13:48:01 <alowaniak> well it's in the onCreate and onUpgrade of SQLiteOpenHelper
Mar 13 13:48:06 <vishrayne> ok
Mar 13 13:48:08 <alowaniak> where i also execute build table commands so
Mar 13 13:49:59 <vishrayne> alowaniak, hmm how did u declare ur refernce column thingy for 'delete cascade'
Mar 13 13:50:49 <alowaniak> scan_id INTEGER REFERENCES scan(_id) ON DELETE CASCADE
Mar 13 13:51:26 <alowaniak> but foreign keys is still 0 when executing my code.. =/
Mar 13 13:51:58 <vishrayne> from within adb - sqlite3
Mar 13 13:51:59 <vishrayne> ?
Mar 13 13:52:41 <alowaniak> tbh got no idea how to do that via cmdline
Mar 13 13:52:51 <alowaniak> but from some management app
Mar 13 13:53:12 <readme> alowaniak: just find the sqlite3 program and run it
Mar 13 13:53:17 <readme> then type the same old stuff
Mar 13 13:54:22 <alowaniak> how do i connect the sqlite to correct db...?
Mar 13 13:54:37 <vishrayne> detailed thingy here http://bradchow.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/sqlite-command-in-adb/
Mar 13 13:57:58 <vishrayne> alowaniak, also FYI this(pragma stuff) only works since sqlite version 3.6.19
Mar 13 14:07:16 <alowaniak> it says sqlite3 not found when i try the adb shell stuff
Mar 13 14:07:32 <`z> alowaniak, you need the sqlite3 binary
Mar 13 14:07:37 <`z> i think sqlite3 ARM
Mar 13 14:07:57 <alowaniak> where does it need to be? on the devie?
Mar 13 14:08:21 <alowaniak> cause i got sqlite3.exe
Mar 13 14:08:44 <`z> .exe?
Mar 13 14:08:45 <`z> are you
Mar 13 14:08:46 <`z> serious
Mar 13 14:08:47 <`z> @_@
Mar 13 14:09:07 <`z> sqlite3's for windows
Mar 13 14:09:09 <vishrayne> hmm weird !
Mar 13 14:09:51 <alowaniak> ... what do you mean?
Mar 13 14:09:57 <alowaniak> i'm getting confused lolz:p
Mar 13 14:10:52 <vishrayne> chill dude.. U sure ur <android_package>/tools have this sqlite3 thingy ?
Mar 13 14:11:57 <`z> alowaniak, lemme try with my gnex
Mar 13 14:11:57 <alowaniak> i got it on my pc @ C:\Android\android-sdk\tools ye
Mar 13 14:12:11 <alowaniak> and i can use sqlite in normal commandline
Mar 13 14:12:16 <alowaniak> but no idea how to do with the adb shell
Mar 13 14:12:31 <Xperimental> alowaniak: if you want to edit /query the database directly on the device you'll need sqlite3 on the device
Mar 13 14:12:47 <Xperimental> otherwise you have to pull the database file before editing it on your pc
Mar 13 14:12:47 <alowaniak> ah k
Mar 13 14:12:54 <alowaniak> guessed so
Mar 13 14:13:03 <alowaniak> how can i put it on my device? xD
Mar 13 14:13:32 <Xperimental> the sqlite.exe you have on your pc can not be used on the device (different processor/os)
Mar 13 14:13:44 <alowaniak> ye i figured as much
Mar 13 14:14:21 <Xperimental> most devices i owned had the binary already included
Mar 13 14:15:20 <vishrayne> well then u can test it on ur emulator
Mar 13 14:15:47 <Xperimental> also an option...
Mar 13 14:15:52 <alowaniak> hmk... i find it weird how http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html doesn't tell anything about where the sqlite3 is or anything
Mar 13 14:16:25 <nvt> how can I edit a file in adb shell? no vi :(
Mar 13 14:16:28 <Xperimental> alowaniak: what happens if you "adb shell" to your device and try to run "sqlite3"?
Mar 13 14:17:04 <vishrayne> most prob it fails..
Mar 13 14:17:39 <vishrayne> might be due to permission issues or like Xperimental said different arch
Mar 13 14:17:56 <SimonVT> Devices don't come with a sqlite3 binary.. Rooted roms mostly include it
Mar 13 14:18:02 <alowaniak> well i'm now kinda wondering if i don't have to give extra arguments at the adb shell for connecting to the device?
Mar 13 14:18:16 <alowaniak> anyway it says "/system/bin/sh: sqlite3: not found"
Mar 13 14:18:18 <the_dime_bar> ls
Mar 13 14:18:23 <the_dime_bar> oooppsss
Mar 13 14:18:28 <Xperimental> ok, so you don't have sqlite3 on your device
Mar 13 14:18:38 <vishrayne> ok
Mar 13 14:19:32 <Xperimental> like SimonVT pointed out, you'll also probably don't have a rooted rom and so might not be able to access the database anyway
Mar 13 14:19:46 <vishrayne> dude try testing the same on an emulator.. It might help you sort out this
Mar 13 14:20:03 <Xperimental> what if you try to pull the database from the device and then try out the sqlite that came with the sdk
Mar 13 14:20:36 <alowaniak> (this is not my main issue though... the problem is that it doesn't seem to be putting foreign keys pragma on when i do db.execSql("PRAGMA foreign_keys = ON;") while it did went on when i used some sqlite manager app and executed it)
Mar 13 14:21:17 <alowaniak> well then i gotta make test class for db etc. vishrayne (db currently saves nfc tags, so i would have to fake that in emu etc)
Mar 13 14:21:26 <`z> alowaniak, i have aokp m4, busybox and i'm rooted
Mar 13 14:21:30 <`z> i have sqlite3 here
Mar 13 14:21:50 <the_dime_bar> alowaniak: can u do an ls in /system/lib u should see libsqlite.so ?
Mar 13 14:22:49 <alowaniak> tbh i'm quite newb with whole android, so don't know a whole lot about it    i would guess my device is rooted though
Mar 13 14:22:55 <alowaniak> the_dime_bar ye i see it
Mar 13 14:23:40 <the_dime_bar> alowaniak: kool means that you have sqlite lib :)
Mar 13 14:23:51 <QubeZ> hello all
Mar 13 14:23:52 <roger_padactor> back... can someone please tell me why my span isn't clickable. http://pastebin.com/cCb5Xzq3    the log never gets fired on touch....   I think im doing it correctly.
Mar 13 14:23:57 <waltercool> onCreate on sqlite will only be called one time from apk installation? I mean, just create db
Mar 13 14:24:11 <gho5t> so I've been building a custom view today so I could have a reusable control and today I just found out about fragments. How do you decide when to us ewhich?
Mar 13 14:24:13 <the_dime_bar> im also new to android
Mar 13 14:24:21 <canadiancow|work> how the heck do you get a Resources.NotFoundException :(
Mar 13 14:24:24 <waltercool> the_dime_bar: welcome to android paradise
Mar 13 14:24:28 <QubeZ> how often does the dev console update the app install numbers? Also, is there a delay between user installs vs active device installs?
Mar 13 14:24:32 <vishrayne> (out of context.. Well u can kind of emulate NFC stuff - see http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-nfc/files/ -- havn't tested this )
Mar 13 14:24:35 <the_dime_bar> paradsise ?? hahhaha
Mar 13 14:24:44 <the_dime_bar> ;)
Mar 13 14:24:59 <Xperimental> waltercool: no, it won't be called during installation. if you use SqliteOpenHelper it will be called the first time you use the db
Mar 13 14:25:22 <waltercool> Xperimental: I mean, when I create a sqlitehelper object
Mar 13 14:25:41 <alowaniak> only if the db doesn't already exist then i would guess waltercool
Mar 13 14:25:50 <waltercool> alowaniak: yeah
Mar 13 14:25:55 <waltercool> alowaniak: thanks
Mar 13 14:26:03 <alowaniak> not 100% sure though
Mar 13 14:26:05 <SimonVT> canadiancow|work: Either you need to clean, or you're trying to e.g. inflate a layout that only exists in layout-land while in portrait
Mar 13 14:26:11 <Xperimental> onCreate is only called if the db does not exist
Mar 13 14:26:21 <QubeZ> alowaniak: you are correct
Mar 13 14:26:23 <canadiancow|work> SimonVT: it's a drawable in -hdpi
Mar 13 14:26:30 <SimonVT> oh
Mar 13 14:26:31 <canadiancow|work> and everything was clean
Mar 13 14:26:33 <canadiancow|work> it was a market build
Mar 13 14:26:38 <Xperimental> onUpgrade will be called if the db exists but the version does not match
Mar 13 14:26:40 <alowaniak> hmye vishrayne but i really cba to go try out all that stuff:p
Mar 13 14:26:40 <canadiancow|work> like...live...production
Mar 13 14:26:44 <SimonVT> dunno ;d
Mar 13 14:26:57 <QubeZ> otherwise, onUpgrade will be called only if you increment the db version value and it doesn't match the current version.
Mar 13 14:26:58 <waltercool> cool, that's very easy, thanks dudes
Mar 13 14:27:31 <waltercool> QubeZ: so, I need to use DATABASE_VERSION static?
Mar 13 14:27:51 <QubeZ> so if you happen to add a new table to your app, make sure its in onUpgrade and onCreate to cover your new and existing users
Mar 13 14:28:10 <QubeZ> waltercool: you dont need a static, but I use one in my Constants.java
Mar 13 14:28:30 <QubeZ> so the constructor is called when I instantiate a new db object, the db version is passed
Mar 13 14:28:53 <QubeZ> easy for me increment via my public static int DB_VERSION variable
Mar 13 14:28:54 <moonlightcheese> so my cyanogen modded DROID throws back an empty Intent object after taking a camera shot and catching the result in onActivityResult.
Mar 13 14:29:13 <waltercool> QubeZ: Yeah
Mar 13 14:29:50 <QubeZ> If any of you are in Minneapolis (long-shot), but I'll be demo'ing To Do Mapr @ Mobile 3D: http://mobilemarchtc.com/mobile-3d-2/
Mar 13 14:29:55 <QubeZ> www.todomapr.com
Mar 13 14:30:56 <`z> oh right QubeZ
Mar 13 14:30:59 <`z> forgot to try todomapr
Mar 13 14:31:14 <QubeZ> `z = zhongfu?
Mar 13 14:31:25 <`z> yeppie
Mar 13 14:31:36 <gho5t> so I've been building a custom view today so I could have a reusable control and today I just found out about fragments. How do you decide when to us ewhich?
Mar 13 14:31:36 <vishrayne> alowaniak, adb -s <serialno> shell type sqlite3 this might tell  which sqlite3(if available), ur device is using
Mar 13 14:31:40 <`z> any.DO looks nice and simple
Mar 13 14:31:46 <QubeZ> `z: its in the Market now
Mar 13 14:31:50 <silur> Hello
Mar 13 14:32:02 <`z> QubeZ, yep
Mar 13 14:32:05 <`z> so it's easy for me
Mar 13 14:32:08 <`z> install from laptop
Mar 13 14:32:23 <QubeZ> unfortunately, "To Do Mapr" search leads it to be way down the list, fuck if I know why
Mar 13 14:32:27 <QubeZ> you have to search for "todomapr"
Mar 13 14:32:38 <vishrayne> gho5t, fragment api is available since android 3+
Mar 13 14:32:59 <gho5t> right
Mar 13 14:33:08 <silur> Q: I trying to instantiate JSONObject, but my little program blows up with "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: Stub!"... Here's the code: http://pastebin.com/0Y4jDWJm    - could anyone give me a hint whats wrong?
Mar 13 14:33:09 <gho5t> so does that mean people don't make custom views any more?
Mar 13 14:33:18 <QubeZ> `z: TDM is very simple too, I think you'll like it.  Then its featureful enough if you need more. But simple UI, easy to add tasks and works.
Mar 13 14:33:22 <SimonVT> Err, fragments != views
Mar 13 14:33:27 <vishrayne> u can ..actionbar sherlock is a great example !
Mar 13 14:33:42 <vishrayne> right
Mar 13 14:33:49 <nvt> how can I even edit ueventd.rc, it's read only in the system root
Mar 13 14:34:05 <gho5t> yes
Mar 13 14:34:13 <`z> QubeZ, all i'm looking for is a good/customizable widget(s) and easy to add tasks
Mar 13 14:34:13 <QubeZ> silur: that doesn't look like an #android-dev question, more like #java
Mar 13 14:34:14 <gho5t> How do you know when to use a fragment vs a view
Mar 13 14:34:27 <QubeZ> `z: we got widgets! =)
Mar 13 14:34:31 <alowaniak> vishrayne i don't know how to get serialno so i did adb -d shell instead
Mar 13 14:34:37 <alowaniak> but anyways i got the sqlite3 not found
Mar 13 14:34:41 <QubeZ> haven't add configuration options to widget though... but will
Mar 13 14:34:55 <vishrayne> alowaniak, adb devices will give u that
Mar 13 14:35:04 <alowaniak> ah ye
Mar 13 14:35:05 <`z> plusses are ability to access todo list (wunderlist does that wonderfully (ubuntu client!), any.DO is getting web interface soon (so i can setup any.DO as a chrome webapp))
Mar 13 14:35:08 <silur> QubeZ, right, actually i writing Android app, but I want to play with JSONObject to see how it behaves in debugger, without crafting the whole android app
Mar 13 14:35:17 <`z> access todo list on PC*
Mar 13 14:35:29 <`z> hmm tdm should be installed now
Mar 13 14:35:36 <alowaniak> i'm quite sure i'll get the same result though, but i'll try
Mar 13 14:35:40 <`z> mmm yay
Mar 13 14:35:53 <kakazza> Is there a release date for ADT 17?
Mar 13 14:35:55 <alowaniak> ye same result, sqlite3 not found
Mar 13 14:36:19 <alowaniak> sqlite3 i got on pc was like 3.7 or so though
Mar 13 14:36:21 <Leeds> kakazza: "when it's done", I suspect
Mar 13 14:36:27 <kakazza> ;)
Mar 13 14:36:53 <QubeZ> silur: gotcha.. sec
Mar 13 14:37:00 <kakazza> Waiting for some important bugfixes and lint. But I don't want to deploy the beta.
Mar 13 14:37:32 <QubeZ> silur: you need to .toString() it
Mar 13 14:37:39 <QubeZ> http://www.json.org/javadoc/org/json/JSONObject.html
Mar 13 14:38:00 <silur> QubeZ, actually this line blows up: JSONObject j = new JSONObject();
Mar 13 14:38:10 <silur> It never reaches println()
Mar 13 14:38:34 <vishrayne> gho5t, the fragment doc says "In its core, it represents a particular operation or interface that is running within a larger Activity, but within the scope of that actvity"
Mar 13 14:38:44 <QubeZ> silur: hmm, that line looks ok
Mar 13 14:38:45 <Duke_Puke> what IRC clients are you using?
Mar 13 14:38:59 <vishrayne> so there is no restrictions, use it if u really need it
Mar 13 14:39:09 <gho5t> ok I guess
Mar 13 14:39:17 <gho5t> still don't really get the diff
Mar 13 14:39:30 <silur> QubeZ, I referenced android.jar - maybe it needs something else for JSONObject to work?
Mar 13 14:39:51 <`z> QubeZ, say you create a support channel (or something like that) on freenode?
Mar 13 14:40:13 <gho5t> so in Photoshop my png is 168 x 168. When I draw it to my canvas and do bitmap.getWidth() its returning 250
Mar 13 14:40:15 <QubeZ> `z: I'd love to but no support staff at the moment. Using forums for now.
Mar 13 14:40:18 <QubeZ> website forums
Mar 13 14:40:22 <`z> QubeZ, community support?
Mar 13 14:40:28 <alowaniak> i srsly don't get it anymore lol
Mar 13 14:40:46 <QubeZ> `z: not 100% sure how to go about starting that but that is a great idea
Mar 13 14:41:07 <Xperimental> silur: you can't run compiled android code in the normal java vm
Mar 13 14:42:31 <vishrayne> alowaniak,  hope ur device is running android 2.2+
Mar 13 14:42:37 <alowaniak> it's running ics...
Mar 13 14:42:48 <vishrayne> O.o
Mar 13 14:42:51 <silur> Xperimental, ahhh...ok. Is there any way to play with JSONObject in "normal" program?
Mar 13 14:43:21 <alowaniak> idunno if there's something in the manifest that causes it to act like lower api or something?
Mar 13 14:43:25 <Xperimental> have a look here, silur : http://www.json.org/java/
Mar 13 14:43:35 <vishrayne> silur, there is a android json lib to play with these kind ogf things !
Mar 13 14:44:50 <vishrayne> gho5t, do read Design philosophy section in http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals/fragments.html
Mar 13 14:44:57 <vishrayne> might help u
Mar 13 14:45:27 <gho5t> thanks
Mar 13 14:45:47 <Xperimental> silur: or get the jar from the maven repo and add it to your classpath instead of the android.jar http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|org.json|json|20090211|jar
Mar 13 14:46:04 <vishrayne> i mean more room to combine and interchange UI components => fragments manages things easily !
Mar 13 14:46:13 <alowaniak> anyway to create toasts from a ContentProvider?
Mar 13 14:46:21 <alowaniak> or SQLiteOpenHelper for that matter
Mar 13 14:46:52 <alowaniak> hmm or it might actually be executed on UI already..
Mar 13 14:47:08 <silur> Xperimental, how can I include that library (http://www.json.org/java/) in my program?
Mar 13 14:47:16 <vishrayne> alowaniak, it should be i guess, coz toast needs a context !
Mar 13 14:47:46 <Xperimental> silur: see the link to the maven repo. there you can download a jar which includes all classes.
Mar 13 14:48:27 <silur> Xperimental, ohhh thanks, I missed that message from you
Mar 13 14:48:44 <silur> appreciate that
Mar 13 14:48:47 <alowaniak> hmm i'll try debug*
Mar 13 14:48:53 <Xperimental> silur: you're welcome
Mar 13 14:50:13 <vishrayne> alowaniak, or u could try getting applicationcontext to show toasts from within the contentproviders !
Mar 13 14:52:07 <alowaniak> hmwell ye i was thinking about getContext()
Mar 13 14:52:16 <alowaniak> but i wanted it for debug reasons
Mar 13 14:52:21 <alowaniak> so i'll just stepthrough instead
Mar 13 14:52:25 <vishrayne> ok
Mar 13 14:52:41 <vishrayne> better go with Log utility
Mar 13 14:53:01 <vishrayne> u could view the results by running adb logcat i guess
Mar 13 14:53:22 <vishrayne> instead of toasts
Mar 13 14:53:25 <vishrayne> :)
Mar 13 14:53:29 <alowaniak> ye
Mar 13 14:54:17 <Lachezar> Hello all. I am getting a weird NPE.
Mar 13 14:54:46 <Lachezar> I am using a ListAdapter to fill the data in a component that was not received from the adapter.
Mar 13 14:54:59 <vishrayne> stack trace please ..
Mar 13 14:55:09 <Lachezar> I get a NPE in SimpleCursorAdapter.java:149, yet I fail to see such a line in the source code!
Mar 13 14:56:20 <readme> full stack trace
Mar 13 14:57:36 <vishrayne> and BTW make sure ur listview obj  is not null
Mar 13 15:01:34 <Lachezar> What's the channel's preffrered pastebin?
Mar 13 15:01:44 <Xperimental> gist :)
Mar 13 15:02:17 <`z> i liek pastie
Mar 13 15:02:24 <alowaniak> ok i just did a stepthrough
Mar 13 15:02:28 <`z> Lachezar, try pastie
Mar 13 15:02:32 <`z> pastebin is.. urgh
Mar 13 15:02:41 <readme> pastebin is for script kiddies who want to post porn passwords
Mar 13 15:02:48 <`z> soooo fucking cluttered
Mar 13 15:03:26 <wongk> i only use pastebin :P
Mar 13 15:03:28 <silur> readme, lol
Mar 13 15:03:47 <evancharlton> do you people actually browse pastebin?
Mar 13 15:03:56 <evancharlton> I never go there unless I'm sent a link
Mar 13 15:03:59 <_Lucretia_> anyone here doing cross-dev/android/arch stuff?
Mar 13 15:04:05 <Zider> readme: you need passwords for that nowadays?
Mar 13 15:04:07 <evancharlton> and even then it's like a 50/50 chance of actually visiting
Mar 13 15:04:47 <alowaniak> i did a stepthrough on:
Mar 13 15:04:48 <alowaniak> http://pastebin.com/n4HKnZwt
Mar 13 15:04:51 <readme> Zider: i wouldn't know
Mar 13 15:04:54 <alowaniak> and both times, s was 0
Mar 13 15:05:03 <Lachezar> https://gist.github.com/2029314
Mar 13 15:05:11 <Lachezar> Stack trace and layout definition.
Mar 13 15:05:13 <Zider> readme: could've fooled me ;)
Mar 13 15:05:51 <wongk> i never understood the aversion to pastebin, it seems like an antiquated mindset to me
Mar 13 15:07:02 <Xperimental> Lachezar: do you implement SimpleCursorAdapter.newView ?
Mar 13 15:08:03 <Xperimental> without code my first guess would be that the view bindView is trying to bind data to is not initialized properly
Mar 13 15:08:12 <Lachezar> Xperimental: No, the adapter only overrides setViewImage(...) (and calls super.setViewImage()).
Mar 13 15:08:37 <silur> The only negative thing about pastebin is huge paddings between code lines. Code needs to be presented in compact form, not 10 lines per page
Mar 13 15:08:39 <alowaniak> any1 got a clue on why s was 0 both times while stepping through http://pastebin.com/n4HKnZwt
Mar 13 15:08:41 <alowaniak> ??
Mar 13 15:08:48 <Lachezar> The activity's layout has a list, and an additional view, that has an instance of the list's row layout.
Mar 13 15:09:45 <abaratican> anyone know when sdk-tools r17 is coming out?
Mar 13 15:10:09 <Lachezar> I would want to skip manual binding, and use the list adapter's own.
Mar 13 15:11:01 <SimonVT> Lachezar: Are you manually calling getView on your adapter?
Mar 13 15:11:06 <Xperimental> Lachezar: Ok, can you paste the constructor call and the layout used for the list item then?
Mar 13 15:11:12 <Lachezar> SimonVT: Yes, I am.
Mar 13 15:11:14 <Leeds> abaratican: September
Mar 13 15:11:24 <moonlightcheese> aright wtf.  my DROID, the DROID X, and the Samsung Galaxy Tab do not allow me to snap images using the installed camera app and return them to my app.  the image Uri is always null.
Mar 13 15:11:30 <Leeds> or possibly tomorrow
Mar 13 15:11:39 <SimonVT> Heh
Mar 13 15:11:43 <abaratican> Leeds: that's a "no", then.
Mar 13 15:11:59 <Leeds> correct
Mar 13 15:12:27 <abaratican> meh, hoping they'll fix http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=22948 for r17
Mar 13 15:12:31 <Lachezar> Can anyone point me to where I can browse the source of Android 2.1?
Mar 13 15:12:47 <Xperimental> SimonVT: i missed that. Lachezar: why are you calling getView yourself?
Mar 13 15:13:29 <Ge0rG> http://gallery.op-co.de/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1390 - android on TVs is a huge success already #droidcon
Mar 13 15:14:57 <Lachezar> Xperimental: I want to bind a copy of the list's row, that is outside the list. I just wanted to reuse the binding.,
Mar 13 15:16:10 <vishrayne> alowaniak, try this ans see what happens http://pastie.org/private/mbr5ytqusxfk7geq5gdtw
Mar 13 15:16:11 <Lachezar> Xperimental: View edit_line = findViewById(R.id.edit_line); edit_line = adapter.getView(pos, edit_line, root);
Mar 13 15:19:08 <gsingh> does anyone know the location of the attr folder in the android repository?
Mar 13 15:19:19 <gsingh> I dont see it in values
Mar 13 15:20:45 <vishrayne> Lachezar,  u could hav done this in cursoradapter#newView, it will reuse the rows if necess.  I mean no need for adapter.getView thingy
Mar 13 15:22:00 <vishrayne> I mean the newView and bindView stuff !
Mar 13 15:22:23 <alowaniak> wth
Mar 13 15:22:30 <alowaniak> it says 1 now vishrayne...
Mar 13 15:22:36 <storkme> having a problem with ViewPagerIndicator not refreshing itself when I call notifyDataSetChanged(), anyone got any tips? (I'm looking at you JakeWharton :p)
Mar 13 15:24:05 <alowaniak> hmk wth...
Mar 13 15:24:11 <vishrayne> storkme, well try overriding this on ur adapter http://pastie.org/private/d1kpd2zes0qw6w3gc3z8q
Mar 13 15:24:27 <gsingh> nvm found them
Mar 13 15:24:41 <alowaniak> i got an export on the db, and that just gets the db file and writes it to sdcard with .sqlite extension
Mar 13 15:24:51 <alowaniak> now i loaded that exported one into a sqlitemanager app
Mar 13 15:24:56 <alowaniak> queried foreign_keys
Mar 13 15:24:58 <alowaniak> and it says 0
Mar 13 15:24:58 <storkme> i have done that in the PagerAdapter vishrayne, thanks - the ViewPager is refreshing, it's just the title indicator that is having problems now
Mar 13 15:25:18 <Stiffer> Does anyone here know a good guide for making an app with an actionbar for a total newb like me? :)
Mar 13 15:25:43 <SimonVT> storkme: Did you notify the indicator?
Mar 13 15:25:53 <storkme> yeah
Mar 13 15:26:11 <storkme> and tried calling invalidate on it as well
Mar 13 15:26:20 <storkme> it must be caching something.. *checks source*
Mar 13 15:26:30 <canadiancow|work> [11:12:27] <abaratican> meh, hoping they'll fix http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=22948 for r17
Mar 13 15:26:32 <canadiancow|work> it's marked as r17
Mar 13 15:26:34 <canadiancow|work> so probably
Mar 13 15:26:43 <canadiancow|work> i filed a bug and it got marked as r18 because it was "too late" for r17
Mar 13 15:26:45 <vishrayne> alowaniak, the pragma enable stuff, will it get reset to 0(default) when u close the connection ? I doubt it
Mar 13 15:26:56 <QubeZ> Stiffer: look at actionbarsherlock
Mar 13 15:26:59 <abaratican> glad these guys were quicker than you then, mr. cow.
Mar 13 15:27:02 <feesh> yo guys
Mar 13 15:27:24 <feesh> anybody had issues with ViewPager, where it has not been displaying views... but then attaching hierarchy viewer makes the view appear?
Mar 13 15:27:25 <vishrayne> storkme, u sure u have override getItemPosition in ur adapter ?
Mar 13 15:27:30 <Stiffer> QubeZ k I'll look into it!
Mar 13 15:27:31 <alowaniak> hmm no idea vishrayne, i would doubt it too...
Mar 13 15:27:32 <storkme> yeah vishrayne
Mar 13 15:27:41 <alowaniak> but apparently i guess so?
Mar 13 15:28:06 <alowaniak> it did cascacde the fields it was supposed to now though
Mar 13 15:28:27 <alowaniak> got the pragam foreign_keys=on in the onOpen of the sqliteopenhelper now
Mar 13 15:28:44 <vishrayne> storkme, also do override notifydatasetchanged and do a log to make sure control reaches ther !
Mar 13 15:28:44 <paradoxxjm> Is there a way to programatically cause a list item to be highlighted? I was looking at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ListView.html#setSelection%28int%29 but it isn't returning the desired "highlighted" behaviour. What does "touch mode" mean?
Mar 13 15:28:57 <vishrayne> alowaniak, ok
Mar 13 15:29:09 <alowaniak> seems to be working more or less now i guess?
Mar 13 15:29:15 <feesh> romainguy, you're cool ...
Mar 13 15:29:27 <alowaniak> srsly how long have i been messing with this now lol? 5hours or so? xD
Mar 13 15:29:29 <mikey|n1> Touch mode = navigation with touch paradoxx
Mar 13 15:29:30 <feesh> romainguy, what is the actionbar's title view? is there anyway to get access to it?
Mar 13 15:29:48 <canadiancow|work> feesh, it's open source...
Mar 13 15:29:52 <vishrayne> alowaniak, welcome to android dev ;)
Mar 13 15:29:54 <feesh> acitonbar is?!
Mar 13 15:29:58 <canadiancow|work> ...
Mar 13 15:30:01 <alowaniak> hahaha:p
Mar 13 15:30:02 <canadiancow|work> android is...
Mar 13 15:30:03 <mikey|n1> As opposed to dpad or something paradoxx
Mar 13 15:30:08 <feesh> honeycomb wasn't <: (?
Mar 13 15:30:14 <mikedg> yes it is
Mar 13 15:30:17 <mikey|n1> Erm paradoxxjm
Mar 13 15:30:17 <feesh> it is now :O?
Mar 13 15:30:22 <canadiancow|work> yes
Mar 13 15:30:33 <canadiancow|work> well, it depends how you define honeycomb
Mar 13 15:30:38 <canadiancow|work> if you define it as a tag in git, then no
Mar 13 15:30:47 <mikedg> if you define it as bee poop, then yes
Mar 13 15:30:52 <QubeZ> is anyone being upgraded to Honeycomb still or just straight to ICS?
Mar 13 15:30:57 <QubeZ> I dont want to support HC
Mar 13 15:31:04 <paradoxxjm> mikey|n1, Got you. But how would I get the list item to be "selected" then (Similar the Gmail app)
Mar 13 15:31:06 <readme> anyone else just get some slow jazz sent to their google voicemail :o
Mar 13 15:31:25 <canadiancow|work> QubeZ: i think some new devices are coming out with 3.2, but i think they're all going to get ICS
Mar 13 15:31:45 <mikey|n1> paradoxxjm: don't know since I don't use the gmail app :)
Mar 13 15:31:52 <QubeZ> canadiancow|work: thanks
Mar 13 15:32:20 <paradoxxjm> mikey|n1, Well, I ahve a list view. I just want the last list item selected to be highlighted.
Mar 13 15:33:18 <canadiancow|work> ICS already has the market share of HC
Mar 13 15:33:22 <canadiancow|work> which isnt big
Mar 13 15:33:25 <canadiancow|work> i dropped 2.1 at 10%
Mar 13 15:33:34 <canadiancow|work> that being said, what are you making?
Mar 13 15:33:41 <canadiancow|work> if you support 2.3 and 4.0, you might as well support 3.x
Mar 13 15:33:55 <mikey|n1> paradoxxjm: setSelection should work BUT not sure for touch mode
Mar 13 15:34:03 <QubeZ> canadiancow|work: me?
Mar 13 15:34:30 <SimonVT> Heh, I actually have more ICS users than eclair
Mar 13 15:34:36 <Xperimental> Lachezar: views created by a listadapter should not be reused outside of the listview. the listview tries to recycle views for efficient memory management. your view will probably get attached to the view hierarchy twice in which case it will break
Mar 13 15:34:55 <QubeZ> canadiancow|work: I havent used CursorLoader in To Do Mapr because it was before I ran across it. Now I have to implement ContentProvider for my DB access which is alot of code rewrite. I cant do that right now and so TDM breaks on HC.
Mar 13 15:35:17 <QubeZ> works find on 2.x and 4.x
Mar 13 15:35:19 <paradoxxjm> mikey|n1, Doesn't seem to work for me, as I need it to be highlighted. And touch mode is pretty much what most people have
Mar 13 15:35:20 <QubeZ> *fine
Mar 13 15:36:58 <vishrayne> alowaniak, well it;s solved for u ??
Mar 13 15:38:56 <Lachezar> Xperimental: I am not reusing ListView views, rather create a new view, that has the same layout as the list-view rows, and am trying to initialise it using the adapter.
Mar 13 15:39:27 <Lachezar> Damn... It smells like I'll have to copy-paste binding code... Bah...
Mar 13 15:39:33 <mikey|n1> paradoxxjm: I'm not seeing any different behavior in the gmail app from the standard
Mar 13 15:39:47 * Lachezar is away: Copy-Pasting.
Mar 13 15:39:59 <alowaniak> vishrayne ye i guess so :)
Mar 13 15:40:04 <Leandros> dödödödödödöm
Mar 13 15:40:06 <Leandros> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9686912/actionbarsherlock-restart-to-apply-theme-triggers-wrong-lifecycle-methods
Mar 13 15:40:16 <Leandros> badumm tss
Mar 13 15:40:19 <alowaniak> not that nice imo since i'm setting foreign key to on every time db opens
Mar 13 15:40:19 <mikey|n1> If I use the tracker ball on my n1, there is a highlight on the row
Mar 13 15:40:20 <alowaniak> but oh well
Mar 13 15:40:25 <alowaniak> if that's the only way it works
Mar 13 15:40:36 <mikey|n1> If I use touch, it goes away
Mar 13 15:42:08 <Xperimental> Lachezar: I see. I still do not think this is a good idea, but you could try bindView to only run the binding code. Instead you should probably do the binding yourself in a seperate block of code and create a custom adapter with that as a base.
Mar 13 15:44:50 <dang`r`us> oy
Mar 13 15:45:26 <dang`r`us> we built a custom NDK with a recent gcc if anyone is interested ... http://hypnolabs.de/ndk/
Mar 13 15:47:22 <lov> orly?
Mar 13 15:47:26 <dang`r`us> yarly
Mar 13 15:47:48 <lov> are you on the build tools mailing list?
Mar 13 15:47:54 <lov> if not, you might want to post this there
Mar 13 15:48:05 <dang`r`us> it's from a colleague, I'll ask him. Where is that ML?
Mar 13 15:48:13 <evancharlton> google groups
Mar 13 15:48:17 * abaratican thought 4.4 was reasonably modern
Mar 13 15:48:22 <lov> http://groups.google.com/group/adt-dev
Mar 13 15:48:25 <dang`r`us> thx
Mar 13 15:48:28 <lov> not sure whether NDK is covered there
Mar 13 15:48:47 <lov> oh nope nvm
Mar 13 15:48:48 <lov> http://groups.google.com/group/android-ndk
Mar 13 15:48:54 <the_dime_bar> awwwwwwww
Mar 13 15:49:06 <lov> that looks spammy as fuck and filled with "HELP HOW DO I COMPUTER" messages though
Mar 13 15:49:12 <Archelaus> Hello, could anyone tell me why Eclipse doesn't seem to continously log my errors to logcat? It'll work once, then I have to restart eclipse to make it start logging again
Mar 13 15:49:30 <lov> Archelaus: open the ddms layout, in devices select your device.
Mar 13 15:49:31 <abaratican> lov: it's going to be a bunch of java programmers asking c++ questions =P
Mar 13 15:49:37 <lov> logcat may also have been paused; uncheck the pause
Mar 13 15:49:46 <lov> or select "all messages"
Mar 13 15:49:56 <the_dime_bar> or a bunch of peeps like me asking wtf :)
Mar 13 15:49:59 <lov> I'm not ENTIRELY pleased with the new filtering layout but w/e
Mar 13 15:50:23 <Archelaus> lov, it was apparently paused
Mar 13 15:50:40 <Archelaus> I didn't pause it though, I didn't touch the interface, any reason why it would pause itself?
Mar 13 15:52:29 <SimonVT> Suure you didn't :p
Mar 13 15:53:28 <Archelaus> SimonVT, it's a safe bet to say I didn't when I was away from the computer when it was running
Mar 13 15:54:06 <Archelaus> and thanks lov, I appreciate it
Mar 13 15:54:15 <readme> Archelaus: because the logcat program in eclipse is not that good. Often you need to clear the buffer for it to print again.
Mar 13 15:54:17 <the_dime_bar> another annoying question has anyone played with android.media.MediaPlayer ?  I have been trying to get my code to stream .mp4 from a url but my test program token from ApiDemo would start to download then when it got to ~25% buffer it would play then it would pause/stop until it downloaded the whole video
Mar 13 15:54:35 <the_dime_bar> token==taken
Mar 13 15:54:42 <readme> Archelaus: when it gets on my nerves, I use the logcat front-end from ddms, or just use adb logcat
Mar 13 15:55:06 <Archelaus> I was looking into the adb logcat
Mar 13 15:55:16 <readme> it's the same data, that's where the logcat program gets it
Mar 13 15:55:30 <Archelaus> But I'll set up my development environment when I finally finish screwing with databases :P
Mar 13 15:55:53 <readme> but yeah
Mar 13 15:55:56 <readme> make sure you didn't pause it
Mar 13 15:56:04 <lov> Archelaus: if you scroll up, you'll pause.
Mar 13 15:56:16 <lov> (this is generally considered a good thing)
Mar 13 15:56:22 <readme> C-s -- scroll lock, C-q unlock
Mar 13 15:56:25 <paradoxxjm> mikey|n1, When the you select a label it is highlighted as blue. But I think I've figured it out
Mar 13 15:56:32 <readme> it works on logcat
Mar 13 15:56:36 <bubbleguuum> any dev here not having received March payment from Google for feb sales (see: https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/?fromgroups#!category-topic/checkout-merchant/account-questions/AM5NpAx6wpw) ?
Mar 13 15:57:05 <Archelaus> lov, it wasn't touched, my second monitor holds logcat so I never need to scoll up. I'm confused as to why, I'm gonna start using frontend as readme said
Mar 13 15:59:25 <lov> Archelaus: there's details in the docs as to when and why logcat will pause
Mar 13 16:00:16 <gsingh> what is ">" symobl called i forgot?
Mar 13 16:00:31 <QubeZ> caret
Mar 13 16:00:44 <feesh> no it's not
Mar 13 16:00:48 <feesh> it's a greater than sign
Mar 13 16:00:51 <gsingh> angle bracket
Mar 13 16:00:53 <feesh> ^ is a carat
Mar 13 16:00:55 <feesh> *caret
Mar 13 16:00:59 <QubeZ> oh duh
Mar 13 16:01:01 <feesh> ^ caret/circumflex
Mar 13 16:01:02 <QubeZ> ya my bad
Mar 13 16:01:12 <QubeZ> brainfart
Mar 13 16:01:32 <feesh> QubeZ: are you lay on your side again?
Mar 13 16:01:43 <QubeZ> heh
Mar 13 16:02:01 <`z> < is a caret
Mar 13 16:02:03 <`z> > is a caret
Mar 13 16:02:06 <`z> aaand
Mar 13 16:02:17 <`z> no wait
Mar 13 16:02:20 <`z> < is a V
Mar 13 16:02:22 <`z> > is a caret
Mar 13 16:02:31 <`z> and ^ is a lesser than sign
Mar 13 16:04:16 <cowclaw> Hello there, I've developed an android application one year ago, to control the music player daemon running on my linux machine. I switched to android ics now and have to refactor my application because i did all the networking on the main ui thread. The connection to the server has to be permanent, what would you say is the best approach? service? thread? process? any other ideas?
Mar 13 16:05:01 <`z> cowclaw, hmm
Mar 13 16:05:01 <MDijkstra> service
Mar 13 16:05:06 <`z> service
Mar 13 16:05:15 <MDijkstra> but service is on the main thread as well
Mar 13 16:05:18 <`z> because processes gets killed first when the phone's low on memory
Mar 13 16:05:27 <MDijkstra> O_o
Mar 13 16:05:30 <`z> services get killed last
Mar 13 16:05:45 <MDijkstra> you're not making a lot of sense
Mar 13 16:05:52 <MDijkstra> service=android component
Mar 13 16:05:57 <MDijkstra> process=unix task
Mar 13 16:06:02 <MDijkstra> services run inside processes
Mar 13 16:06:06 <dragorn> cowclaw: permanent for the lifetime of your activity?
Mar 13 16:06:17 <cowclaw> dragorn: yes
Mar 13 16:06:22 <dragorn> cowclaw: or permanent in that you want it to last when your activity isn't the foreground
Mar 13 16:06:35 <luxurymode> Are there any good alternatives to android's SoundPool? I cant seem to find any openal implementations… any suggestions?
Mar 13 16:06:39 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: in general: have the service spawn a networking thread
Mar 13 16:06:55 <MDijkstra> that communicates with the service running on the main thread
Mar 13 16:06:59 <dragorn> cowclaw: if it only has to survive as long as your activity is active, a thread is fine.  If you want to keep streaming/playing in the background, you need a service
Mar 13 16:07:18 <MDijkstra> but one big misconception is that a service will get its own thread
Mar 13 16:07:33 <MDijkstra> it won't, it'll share its main thread with everything else running in that process
Mar 13 16:07:40 <MDijkstra> so using a service by itself will not solve your issues
Mar 13 16:08:06 <readme> luxurymode: i haven't checked it out yet, but I have been wanting to try this. I'm not sure if it can do what you want but it is definitely worth looking at
Mar 13 16:08:13 <readme> luxurymode: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2011/06/fmod-for-android.html
Mar 13 16:08:22 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: thank you
Mar 13 16:08:35 <luxurymode> awesome, thanks readme
Mar 13 16:09:59 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: generally you will want to post messages on the main thread
Mar 13 16:10:05 <MDijkstra> from your networking thread
Mar 13 16:14:36 <cowclaw> dragorn, MDijkstra: the problem is that i need to call getter and setter methods on the object that represents the connection to the server. i'ts not only a streaming client, but one to control the volume, toggle pause and randomly fill a playlist
Mar 13 16:15:40 <dragorn> cowclaw: look at messages and bundles
Mar 13 16:15:44 <cowclaw> maybe it helps to show you the api i'm using: http://www.thejavashop.net/javampd/
Mar 13 16:16:37 <dragorn> cowclaw: you can pass messages to your thread or your service, and have it respond to them by calling the get/set in your library
Mar 13 16:17:07 <dragorn> MDijkstra: I'm pretty sure services are their own threads.  They're not their own processes unless you specify them to be.  Is that what you meant?
Mar 13 16:17:10 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: why do you have to do that on the object that represents the connection the server? the networking thread should be as dumb as it can possibly be
Mar 13 16:17:36 <MDijkstra> dragorn: I was under the impression that each android component got its own thread as well
Mar 13 16:17:44 <MDijkstra> dragorn: but apparently they don't
Mar 13 16:18:40 <MDijkstra> dragorn: I'll try to find the android docs saying this
Mar 13 16:18:44 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: A Service is not a thread. It is not a means itself to do work off of the main thread (to avoid Application Not Responding errors).
Mar 13 16:18:50 <cowclaw> from http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html
Mar 13 16:18:51 <SimonVT> services are also on the main thread
Mar 13 16:19:08 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: ah yes
Mar 13 16:19:28 <MDijkstra> that was it idd
Mar 13 16:19:32 <lov> MDijkstra: the onStart, onBind, and onDestroy methods may run on the UI thread
Mar 13 16:19:37 <lov> er, onCreate
Mar 13 16:19:39 <lov> (I think?)
Mar 13 16:19:46 <lov> point is, the onBlah methods in Service run on the UI thread.
Mar 13 16:19:56 <canadiancow|work> i dont think "UI" thread is a good name
Mar 13 16:19:59 <lov> to do other meaningful work, please feel free to start your own threads, register callbacks, etc.
Mar 13 16:20:02 <canadiancow|work> becuase a service has no uI :(
Mar 13 16:20:12 <canadiancow|work> new Thread().start(); :D
Mar 13 16:20:15 <lov> the main thread lacks the tangible punch of being blocekd
Mar 13 16:20:18 <lov> *blocked
Mar 13 16:20:24 <canadiancow|work> i suppose
Mar 13 16:20:29 <lov> "I'm blocking the main thread? Whatever, it can wait. But why isn't my stuff drawing???????"
Mar 13 16:20:50 * alankila thinks real pros will do new Thread().run()
Mar 13 16:21:16 <canadiancow|work> just put everything in a new thread
Mar 13 16:21:20 <canadiancow|work> eveyr line of code gets its own thread
Mar 13 16:21:26 <canadiancow|work> then you're guaranteed never to block the ui htread
Mar 13 16:21:31 <tapas> is there a simple way to get EditTexts to behave?
Mar 13 16:21:41 <canadiancow|work> behave?
Mar 13 16:21:41 <tapas> i.e. show the softkeyboard on click and hide it on enter?
Mar 13 16:21:42 <QubeZ> define behave
Mar 13 16:22:18 <QubeZ> tapas: it should show by default on click but you can capture the enter key using onKeyEvent code
Mar 13 16:22:26 <lov> canadiancow|work: runOnUiThread(new Runnable() { my code});
Mar 13 16:22:28 <lov> returns immediately
Mar 13 16:22:30 <lov> what now
Mar 13 16:22:30 <tapas> QubeZ: that's what i do atm
Mar 13 16:22:33 <lov> whatchu gonna do
Mar 13 16:22:38 <canadiancow|work> nothing
Mar 13 16:22:39 <canadiancow|work> thats great
Mar 13 16:22:40 <lov> that's right
Mar 13 16:22:44 <canadiancow|work> it doenst block the ui thread
Mar 13 16:22:49 <canadiancow|work> also, thats bad syntax
Mar 13 16:22:52 <canadiancow|work> "my code" isn't valid java
Mar 13 16:22:53 <canadiancow|work> silly lov
Mar 13 16:22:56 <lov> fuck
Mar 13 16:23:01 <lov> stym'd
Mar 13 16:23:08 <tapas> QubeZ: i use it to show a result of a search as a new activity. when the user returns to the activity with the EditText the keyboard dosn't show again even on explpicit click
Mar 13 16:24:03 <QubeZ> hmm odd behavior, i do similar with my well AutoCompleteTextView, user enters search term... show search results.... return to activity which re-establishes the entire activity which behaves fine
Mar 13 16:24:34 <tapas> i guess it might be the evil GroupActivity in the Tabhost that messes things up
Mar 13 16:29:38 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: i'm not getting it. i need to create an object that represents the connection to the server and then interact with that. how can i solve this with simple threads?
Mar 13 16:29:40 <feesh> why can't I have the same attribute name multiple times in different <declare-styleable> blocks?
Mar 13 16:31:35 <canadiancow|work> lov i was just using the word "love" in a sentence, and i spelled it without an "e" T_T
Mar 13 16:31:49 <feesh> I LOV YOU
Mar 13 16:31:51 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: because these threads can communicate with the main thread, ie, send messages synchronously and run code
Mar 13 16:32:10 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: see http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html
Mar 13 16:32:50 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: it kind of depends on how you want to structure your app, though
Mar 13 16:33:28 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: I guess in the case of an MPD client you'll have a single activity talking to a background service
Mar 13 16:34:57 <Duke_Puke> Hi again chat. I have a list of id's as a List<Integer>. These id's are a selection from the databasequery of ContactsContract.contacts._ID Is there a way for me to just bring back the rows with the matching id's or do i have to bring home all ids and then loop throught them to get the matching ones?
Mar 13 16:35:31 <_Lucretia_> is anyone here using the mips sdk/ndk successfully with arm?
Mar 13 16:36:16 <Leandros> Does someone uses ActionBarSherlock?
Mar 13 16:36:29 <SimonVT> feesh: Simple limitation on how attrs are generated.. Tho you can just declare them outside of a <declare-styleable>
Mar 13 16:36:48 <SimonVT> And ref them inside it with <attr name="yourAttrName" />
Mar 13 16:37:33 <tums2004> without getting into the moral and ethical debate: How do android keyloggers work? I mean I know can just go buy one. I'm not looking to do that. I'm just curious. After looking at the APIs I can find nothing that would institute a global keyboard hook that would be required.
Mar 13 16:39:43 <evancharlton> tums2004: do they require root?
Mar 13 16:40:30 <tums2004> evancharlton: I haven't done extensive research, but i'd guess not. I don't actually want to keylog, just figure out how its being done.
Mar 13 16:40:47 <tums2004> so unfortunately Im not all that up on whats available
Mar 13 16:40:53 <Leandros> I think the user have to use a specific keyboard.
Mar 13 16:41:28 <evancharlton> I doubt that
Mar 13 16:41:42 <evancharlton> that's like saying that I can pick your lock if I have your key
Mar 13 16:41:42 <tums2004> evancharlton: doubt what?
Mar 13 16:41:51 <evancharlton> I doubt what Leandros said is true
Mar 13 16:42:11 <tums2004> oh hehee. I was like noo.. I just am trying to figure out how they do it./
Mar 13 16:42:52 <evancharlton> tums2004: I know some devices log keystrokes to dmesg, but you need root to read that
Mar 13 16:43:05 <evancharlton> and that might be hardware keyboards only, I don't remember
Mar 13 16:43:39 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: you mentioned the background service, but isn't that again the problem with no networking on the main thread? or do you mean i should start a threat on the service ?
Mar 13 16:43:54 <MDijkstra> yep
Mar 13 16:44:02 <MDijkstra> that's what I said, I think
Mar 13 16:44:09 <tums2004> I cant seem to fine information, and when I find posts about people asking, no one does. They just freak
Mar 13 16:44:12 <evancharlton> servics run on the main thread
Mar 13 16:44:56 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: but where is the improvement over using threads and messages as you first proposed ?
Mar 13 16:45:58 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: that it won't crash?
Mar 13 16:46:08 <tapas> now that's weird.. i have another test device here and there's a logo with a white background.. just with the small problem that it appears tinted on this one device only
Mar 13 16:46:40 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: the entire issue is not blocking the main thread, if you don't do your blocking networking on the main thread that won't happen
Mar 13 16:47:04 <Duke_Puke> Hi again chat. I have a list of id's as a List<Integer>. These id's are a selection from the databasequery of ContactsContract.contacts._ID Is there a way for me to just bring back the rows with the matching id's or do i have to bring home all ids and then loop throught them to get the matching ones?
Mar 13 16:47:05 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: i've got that point ;)
Mar 13 16:47:27 <evancharlton> Duke_Puke: don't do that (grab all and loop through)
Mar 13 16:47:39 <Duke_Puke> thanks evan :)
Mar 13 16:47:47 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: the problem you get when doing networking on a separate thread is that you need to make it threadsafe
Mar 13 16:48:17 <MDijkstra> you can't just start calling getters and setters without at least thinking about it
Mar 13 16:48:32 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: i knew i was leaving something unconsidered
Mar 13 16:48:38 <Duke_Puke> evancharlton: or wait you mean i shouldnt loop through or that i should?
Mar 13 16:48:48 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: the handler stuff does exactly that
Mar 13 16:49:22 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: it synchronizes stuff by queueing it as an event on the messagequeue of another thread
Mar 13 16:50:31 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: thank you, I'll have a look at the Handler thing
Mar 13 16:50:51 <MDijkstra> you can post runnables as well
Mar 13 16:51:00 <MDijkstra> which is likely what you want to do
Mar 13 16:51:06 <Duke_Puke> evancharlton: Your awnser could be taken both ways
Mar 13 16:52:30 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: isn't that a bit like asynctask?
Mar 13 16:53:21 <Defuera> Hi, im coding a game. I need to stop gameThread by calling GameMenu, how do I do it, if mThread.pause is deprecated? Pls.
Mar 13 16:54:20 <Zooklubba> Finally information about I/O 2012 :P
Mar 13 16:55:32 <evancharlton> Duke_Puke: I mean that looping through every contact is stupid
Mar 13 16:55:43 <evancharlton> Duke_Puke: look up how to use SQL "WHERE" clauses
Mar 13 16:56:23 <Leandros> does someone probably know why my fragments after a restart run through there whole lifecycle?
Mar 13 16:56:49 <Duke_Puke> evancharlton: Will use the WHERE clause then thanks :)
Mar 13 16:57:15 <canadiancow|work> Zooklubba where where where
Mar 13 16:57:20 <Zooklubba> https://developers.google.com/events/io/register
Mar 13 16:57:25 <Zooklubba> 27th of March
Mar 13 16:57:51 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: yes, the difference being that asynctasks are expected to finish
Mar 13 16:58:13 <MDijkstra> cowclaw: ie, you start an asynctask from somewhere, and it'll report its results back
Mar 13 16:58:17 <canadiancow|work> oh wow $900
Mar 13 16:58:19 <MDijkstra> but that doesn't really apply here
Mar 13 16:58:20 <canadiancow|work> they did raise it a bit :)
Mar 13 16:58:47 <cowclaw> MDijkstra: but handler was the right thing to point me on, just found HandlerThread, i think i can deal with that. thanks again
Mar 13 16:58:54 <MDijkstra> np
Mar 13 16:59:09 <canadiancow|work> so are past attendees not going to get to sign up early? :(
Mar 13 16:59:30 <Zooklubba> aye
Mar 13 16:59:34 <Zooklubba> Not sure, I am wondering that myself.
Mar 13 16:59:43 <Zooklubba> And If I can go as academica this year again
Mar 13 17:00:13 <spots> hi, is there a way to simulate a camera via emulation?
Mar 13 17:00:34 <tums2004> spots: yes, if you use the AVD and add a camera, it will use an existing system camera
Mar 13 17:00:39 <tums2004> I do that with the Droid 4
Mar 13 17:00:58 <Defuera> Somebody knows to pause a thread?
Mar 13 17:01:25 <spots> how can i add an camera to it? i have a built-in camera in my laptop
Mar 13 17:04:03 <tums2004> camera support = yes
Mar 13 17:04:08 <tums2004> just click camera support and change it
Mar 13 17:04:43 <tums2004> but use an emulator that has a keyboard, so the phone image you are testing against has to have on as well
Mar 13 17:07:35 <bubbleguuum> why o why, AsyncTask changed its Executor from ThreadPoolExecutor to SerialExecutor in ICS ??? That's a great way to add subtle and not so subtle bugs in existing apps...
Mar 13 17:08:50 <bubbleguuum> and no ay to set the Executor glabally for all AsyncTasks...
Mar 13 17:08:57 <bubbleguuum> fffffff
Mar 13 17:09:05 <Zooklubba> canadiancow|work, question is. When do I have the guts to book zeh plane and hotel
Mar 13 17:09:23 <canadiancow|work> after you get a ticket
Mar 13 17:09:25 <canadiancow|work> fuck
Mar 13 17:09:29 <canadiancow|work> do NOT book before
Mar 13 17:09:37 <romainguy__> bubbleguuum: actually it's the opposite
Mar 13 17:09:42 <feesh> dun dun dun
Mar 13 17:09:44 <romainguy__> bubbleguuum: it fixes a lot of broken apps
Mar 13 17:09:47 <Zooklubba> lol,holiday in SF otherwise. But not deductabe. That would suck
Mar 13 17:09:59 <bubbleguuum> romainguy: it broke mine :p
Mar 13 17:10:14 <romainguy__> I'm scared to think of how your app could possibly break because tasks are now executed in order :)
Mar 13 17:10:38 <romainguy__> too many apps assumed that if you started task 1 & 2 in this order, they would execute and finish in the same order
Mar 13 17:10:51 <bubbleguuum> an AsyncTask bloking will block all waiting AsyncTask in the SerialExecutor queue
Mar 13 17:10:55 <romainguy__> even worse, it cause many race conditions
Mar 13 17:11:14 <romainguy__> if you are blocking in an AsyncTask you are doing it wrong :p
Mar 13 17:11:29 <romainguy__> AsyncTask was not meant to replace threads, it's meant for short-lived, fast actions
Mar 13 17:11:35 <spots> tums2004: i'm getting a white picture
Mar 13 17:11:39 <canadiancow|work> bubbleguuum: the API didn't change
Mar 13 17:11:41 <romainguy__> anyway, you can change the executor in ICS
Mar 13 17:11:44 <canadiancow|work> it never said it executed in parallel
Mar 13 17:11:55 <canadiancow|work> it just said it executed asynchronously
Mar 13 17:11:56 <Elderwolf> Is there anyway for an owner of an Android Dev Account to give you some sort of restricted status to publish an App?  We contract out apps, and had been releasing the app for the users since they cannot follow directions.  But having credentials to their google account is questionable.
Mar 13 17:12:03 <Zooklubba> Nothing about Bootcamp
Mar 13 17:12:09 <Zooklubba> Will there not be a bootcamp?
Mar 13 17:12:11 <bubbleguuum> onExecute() can take a long time, and if I undertsant correctly a new AsyncTask is not launched until the previous one terminate
Mar 13 17:12:22 <canadiancow|work> Zooklubba: i was never able to get into that before anyway
Mar 13 17:12:29 <romainguy__> bubbleguuum: an asynctask should not take a long time
Mar 13 17:12:43 <romainguy__> bubbleguuum: but like I said, there is an API to provide a threadpoolexecutor if that's what you want
Mar 13 17:12:45 <Zooklubba> I got it last year, was quite fun.
Mar 13 17:12:50 <bubbleguuum> romain: If I donwload an image it can take a long time if timing out
Mar 13 17:13:07 <bubbleguuum> as long as I cancel my AsyncTask when needed, duration is not a probleù
Mar 13 17:13:18 <canadiancow|work> now i just have to see if zynga will send me to SF for it :)
Mar 13 17:13:22 <MrChyizPyiz> bubbleguuum: you can execute asyncs serially or using a thread pool. Pre Honeycomb default was threadpool. Post is serially.
Mar 13 17:13:50 <bubbleguuum> romainguy: sure there is executeOnExecutor(). Too bad there is not AsyncTask.setExecutor() also
Mar 13 17:14:18 <MrChyizPyiz> bubbleguuum: duration isn't an issue, you have to handle everything gracefully. Lets say your writing stuff to sd that takes a minute. What if the user wants to cancel?
Mar 13 17:14:22 <MrChyizPyiz> gotta handle it gracefully
Mar 13 17:14:23 <romainguy__> there is, but it's private
Mar 13 17:14:25 <romainguy__> :p
Mar 13 17:14:46 <bubbleguuum> MrChyizPyiz: I/O is generally cancellable wheter is is File I/O , sockets etc
Mar 13 17:14:47 <Zooklubba> lol canadiancow|work, my own small company will send me. But I wonder if the tax authority will let me deduct the charge for airplane and hotel
Mar 13 17:14:51 <feesh> go go gadget reflection!
Mar 13 17:15:01 <canadiancow|work> not if they pay...
Mar 13 17:15:02 <feesh> and emergency bug fixes on platform update
Mar 13 17:15:49 <bubbleguuum> romainguy: consider making it public :/
Mar 13 17:15:57 <romainguy__> bubbleguuum: no
Mar 13 17:15:59 <lov> canadiancow|work: cool story bro.
Mar 13 17:16:08 <lov> (referring to you using lov)
Mar 13 17:16:13 <canadiancow|work> lol
Mar 13 17:16:18 <canadiancow|work> i was like "uh...waht story"
Mar 13 17:16:22 <romainguy__> bubbleguuum: if would highly recommend you write your own thread+handler in your case
Mar 13 17:16:31 <bubbleguuum> romainguy: I'll have to write a wrapper for execute() then
Mar 13 17:17:24 <bubbleguuum> romainguy: AsyncTask are cleaner and more readble IMHO
Mar 13 17:17:47 <gandhijee_> hey, anyone know how the magiccode guys are>
Mar 13 17:18:01 <SimonVT> You can pretty easily make your own AsyncTask-like class.. Might even be possible to copy AsyncTask and modify it to your needs
Mar 13 17:18:14 <bubbleguuum> romainguy: anyway with this change some app will break for sure.
Mar 13 17:18:30 <gandhijee_> *who
Mar 13 17:18:52 <spots> anyone else who can help me with camera support in avd?
Mar 13 17:19:19 <MrChyizPyiz> time for a dev device spots
Mar 13 17:19:55 <bubbleguuum> I'll just write a wrapper for execute() to launch executeOnExecutor() on ICS+
Mar 13 17:20:00 <Duke_Puke> ecancharlton: Do you have any idea how the WHERE clause is delimited. Since query needs a string for selection i need to pass my int array as a string
Mar 13 17:20:15 <Duke_Puke> evancharlton: Do you have any idea how the WHERE clause is delimited. Since query needs a string for selection i need to pass my int array as a string
Mar 13 17:20:23 <spots> nexus phones are too expensive :/
Mar 13 17:20:34 <MrChyizPyiz> who needs a nex, grab anything
Mar 13 17:20:42 <spots> i would just use them to develope since i have another phone
Mar 13 17:20:49 <spots> i want 'vanilla' android
Mar 13 17:20:49 <MrChyizPyiz> an android phone is an android phone, at least to a quality deb
Mar 13 17:20:50 <MrChyizPyiz> dev
Mar 13 17:20:58 <MrChyizPyiz> cameras are another story though, a real pain in the neck
Mar 13 17:22:05 <Duke_Puke> MrChyizPyiz: Just buy a hasselblad-camera and nothing go wrong
Mar 13 17:22:49 <Duke_Puke> MrChyizPyiz: Any camera is a camera for a queality photagrapher...kindof
Mar 13 17:23:04 <spots> i just need to scan a barcode
Mar 13 17:23:08 <MrChyizPyiz> I was referring to camera apps, surfaces, ect...
Mar 13 17:23:18 <Duke_Puke> MrChyizPyiz: oh
Mar 13 17:23:31 <Duke_Puke> evancharlton: Do you have any idea how the WHERE clause is delimited. Since query needs a string for selection i need to pass my int array as a string
Mar 13 17:23:44 <mrenouf|work> Win! With ADT17, device browser now prints make:model of device in the list, handy for figuring out which device is which :-)
Mar 13 17:24:06 <lov> Duke_Puke: he's probably at lunch or something. Please don't spam.
Mar 13 17:24:16 <lov> Duke_Puke: look up "SQL" and "sqlite"
Mar 13 17:24:45 <Duke_Puke> lov: probably, i'm looking but nobodey seems to be doing it like me = i must be doing it wrong
Mar 13 17:24:46 <MrChyizPyiz> Duke_Puke: it's just WHERE yadatada = yadayada
Mar 13 17:24:55 <MrChyizPyiz> throw an AND in to have more stuff
Mar 13 17:25:11 <lov> Duke_Puke: I'd strongly recommend reading some sql tutorials
Mar 13 17:25:41 <lov> if you're doing something like
Mar 13 17:25:42 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/database/sqlite/SQLiteDatabase.html#query(java.lang.String, java.lang.String[], java.lang.String, java.lang.String[], java.lang.String, java.lang.String, java.lang.String)
Mar 13 17:25:48 <Duke_Puke> MrChyizPyiz i thought of adding a "and" but will that work in a query (not rawQuery)
Mar 13 17:26:01 <SimonVT> yes
Mar 13 17:26:14 <lov> then your selection string would be something like "WHERE FOO = ?" and your selection array would be new String[]{"bar"}
Mar 13 17:26:29 <SimonVT> -WHERE
Mar 13 17:26:40 <lov> the ?s is replaced by the elements in your selection array
Mar 13 17:26:43 <lov> s/is/are/
Mar 13 17:26:55 <MrChyizPyiz> the selection is a string array of the column headers
Mar 13 17:26:56 <Abnormalex> anyone use knockout, backbone, or javascriptmvc ?
Mar 13 17:27:27 <Duke_Puke> lov: so i need to make a delimited string of my int[] right?
Mar 13 17:27:48 <lov> no.
Mar 13 17:27:50 <lov> ok.
Mar 13 17:27:53 <lov> what are you trying to search for?
Mar 13 17:27:58 <Duke_Puke> id's
Mar 13 17:28:02 <Duke_Puke> (int)
Mar 13 17:28:03 <lov> ....
Mar 13 17:28:20 <Duke_Puke> and match them with a int[] of ids i got
Mar 13 17:28:51 <MrChyizPyiz> for that you just need a where clause with multiple ANDs, then iterate the cursor, populate a list, and toArray it
Mar 13 17:29:54 <lov> query(tableName, new String[]{SomeIdColumnName}, "WHERE FOOBAR = ?", new String[]{Integer.toString(yourInteger)}, null, null, null);
Mar 13 17:29:59 <lov> something like that
Mar 13 17:30:36 <lov> if you need a more specific search, then make it something like "WHERE FOOBAR = ? AND BAZ = ?", new String[]{Integer.toString(int1), Integer.toString(int2)}
Mar 13 17:30:38 <readme> i think i am now in love with eclipse
Mar 13 17:30:48 <lov> seriously, please read up on SQL and what it is and how it works.
Mar 13 17:30:53 <readme> abusive relationship, though
Mar 13 17:30:54 <lov> or really just the concept of WHERE clauses
Mar 13 17:32:59 <Duke_Puke> i get the concept of the WHERE-clause it is just how its delimited. But I got a idea to do it with and after each int
Mar 13 17:33:24 <Duke_Puke> lov:thanks for the help but i dont know if were talking about the same thing
Mar 13 17:34:19 <paradoxxjm> I'm trying to change the color of a row item in a list view, once it has been selected. I've create the following code (http://pastebin.com/F7yPN9QW) to be run in the onClick. However, (listview).getChileAt(position) seems to be returning/coloring multiple list items. How can I correct this?
Mar 13 17:34:23 <lov> read a tutorial so that you understand how a WHERE clause usually looks
Mar 13 17:34:33 <paradoxxjm> It may be cause by row item reuse
Mar 13 17:35:05 <mikedg> paradoxxjm: list items are rused
Mar 13 17:35:17 <mikedg> reused, are you saying when you scroll, it looks like multiple items are changed?
Mar 13 17:35:23 <paradoxxjm> mikeg yep
Mar 13 17:35:28 <mikedg> or when you change the color your immediately see multiple changes?
Mar 13 17:35:36 <paradoxxjm> When I scroll
Mar 13 17:35:37 <mikedg> change the color in getView() appropriately
Mar 13 17:35:54 <paradoxxjm> Explain
Mar 13 17:36:18 <paradoxxjm> Create a custom cursor adapter and do it there?
Mar 13 17:36:18 <mikedg> you need to set whatever color you want in getview, otherwise it will just reuse whatever the last color was because its reusing the item
Mar 13 17:36:31 <mikedg> oh, yeah, you are going to have to do that if you dont have a cusotm adapter
Mar 13 17:36:51 <mikedg> i just assumed you had one, sinc ethe basic ones suck for 99% of things
Mar 13 17:36:59 <paradoxxjm> :D
Mar 13 17:37:00 <phokus> Any exceptionally talented xoom devs?
Mar 13 17:40:13 <lov> o_O
Mar 13 17:40:22 <lov> I think you mean "any devs who have used honeycomb"
Mar 13 17:41:54 <phokus> No
Mar 13 17:42:19 <phokus> The xoom reference tablet is what i mean
Mar 13 17:42:32 <lov> o_O
Mar 13 17:42:40 <canadiancow|work> +1
Mar 13 17:42:44 <canadiancow|work> wtf are you talking about
Mar 13 17:43:03 <canadiancow|work> and didnt the xoom get ics?
Mar 13 17:43:08 <lov> I don't think you'll find a lot of people who specialize in one particular device
Mar 13 17:43:12 <lov> canadiancow|work: did it?
Mar 13 17:43:13 <bestKoderEver> hi, im going nuts!.. is it even possible to set a 'style=' attribute on an arrayadapater xml?
Mar 13 17:43:16 <Zooklubba> Any news about earlier attendees getting early reg at I/O?
Mar 13 17:43:18 <canadiancow|work> i thought i heard that?
Mar 13 17:43:19 <bestKoderEver> :-/
Mar 13 17:43:27 <canadiancow|work> no Zooklubba, havnet herad anything :(
Mar 13 17:43:37 <pfn> march 27th
Mar 13 17:43:39 <Zooklubba> darn
Mar 13 17:44:13 <pfn> 900 bucks
Mar 13 17:44:19 <readme> let me refine the question even further: any of you guys own a xoom?
Mar 13 17:44:21 <bestKoderEver> Can one set style=?listItem to an arrayAdapter xml?..
Mar 13 17:44:28 <por-beast> how can I force which recording device I'll use in Android?
Mar 13 17:44:45 <dragorn> lov: My wifi-only xoom got ICS a few months ago
Mar 13 17:44:55 <canadiancow|work> why are you so interested in the xoom specifically?
Mar 13 17:44:56 <Zooklubba> readme, I own one
Mar 13 17:45:09 <paradoxxjm> mikedg, Do you have some simple code / tutorial / recommendation for extending a cursor adapter?
Mar 13 17:45:18 <readme> Zooklubba: then I think you are the talented guy he is looking for :)
Mar 13 17:45:32 <Zooklubba> but mines at the office so I can't test anything this evening unfortunately.
Mar 13 17:46:44 <Zooklubba> pfn, read that too. I was wondering if earlier attendees could buy tickets before 27th.
Mar 13 17:47:11 <evancharlton> canadiancow|work, lov: wifi xoom has ICS
Mar 13 17:47:45 <pfn> Zooklubba, no messages yet, presumably no
Mar 13 17:47:55 <canadiancow|work> evancharlton that's what i thought
Mar 13 17:49:55 <pfn> samsung needs to get off their ass with ics already...
Mar 13 17:50:29 <cr5315> I'm having trouble setting up ActionBarSherlock 4.0. When I try to import it into eclipse, it says no project is found. Anyone know how to fi that?
Mar 13 17:50:40 <lov> pfn: ah bloo bloo bloo
Mar 13 17:50:59 <tapas> hmmm, i wonder if the softkeyboard not showing up is related to lists not remembering positions either
Mar 13 17:50:59 <Zooklubba> cr5315, usual fix for that would be to create a new project from source and use the destination for the code
Mar 13 17:51:08 <cr5315> I'll try that
Mar 13 17:51:10 <tapas> when used in an activitygroup inside a tabhost
Mar 13 17:51:11 <Zooklubba> I havent used actiobnarsherlock myself but the error seems familiar.
Mar 13 17:51:31 <paradoxxjm> Can someone suggest code or a tutorial for the best practice for implementing a cursor adapter?
Mar 13 17:51:47 <cr5315> Do I target 4.0 or 4.0.3?
Mar 13 17:51:59 <pfn> cr5315, doesn't really matter
Mar 13 17:52:03 <cr5315> Ok
Mar 13 17:52:04 <pfn> targetting api15 is fine
Mar 13 17:52:23 <cr5315> It worked, thanks Zooklubba and pfn
Mar 13 17:52:28 <Zooklubba> np
Mar 13 17:52:47 <lov> cr5315: set the targetSdk to the highest level you've actually tested.
Mar 13 17:52:57 <lov> Set the api you compile against to the highest level you have, generally
Mar 13 17:53:11 <cr5315> That's what I do
Mar 13 17:53:15 <pfn> bah, I'd set targetsdk to the newest available
Mar 13 17:53:22 <pfn> and the min to what I've actually tested  :p
Mar 13 17:53:32 <pfn> there's few cases where setting a higher target sdk breaks
Mar 13 17:53:39 <pfn> there's a lot of cases where setting a lower minsdk breaks
Mar 13 17:53:44 <cr5315> Annnnnnnnnnnnnd it fills with errors
Mar 13 17:53:56 <pfn> startForeground/setForeground is an example of targetsdk breaking
Mar 13 17:54:02 <readme> cr5315: set compiler compliance level to 1.6
Mar 13 17:54:14 <readme> right click, properties, java compiler, compliance level -> 1.6
Mar 13 17:54:16 <readme> build clean
Mar 13 17:54:59 <cr5315> You're awesome readme
Mar 13 17:55:03 <readme> :D
Mar 13 17:55:23 <lov> pfn: uh
Mar 13 17:55:26 <lov> pfn: good luck with that :>
Mar 13 17:55:47 <pfn> lov, most apps will "just work" if you set a higher target
Mar 13 17:55:54 <lov> er
Mar 13 17:55:54 <pfn> lov, the same is not necessarily true of the other way around
Mar 13 17:56:00 <lov> so.
Mar 13 17:56:02 <cr5315> Nevermind, it filled with errors again
Mar 13 17:56:07 <bestKoderEver> readme is it not possible to set style attribute to an xml that does not correspond to an activity?.. like the xml/layout for a arrayadapter..
Mar 13 17:56:09 <bestKoderEver> :-?
Mar 13 17:56:12 <lov> the targetSdk in the manifest is used to tell the runtime of the device running it whether to use compatability codepaths
Mar 13 17:56:19 <paradoxxjm> Anyone know of code or a tutorial for the best practice for implementing/extending a cursor adapter?
Mar 13 17:56:39 <lov> don't have targetSdk set to 11? Your app has no fucking clue of fragments or action bars, show the menu button.
Mar 13 17:56:41 <Zooklubba> cr5315, examples of what causes errors?
Mar 13 17:57:10 <pfn> lov, that's the thing, most apps that need menu bars will show just fine in the actionbar
Mar 13 17:57:13 <pfn> unless they hide the titlebar
Mar 13 17:57:14 <cr5315> I imported ActionBarSherlock 4.0, and eclipse is flagging errors in almost everything in it
Mar 13 17:57:26 <lov> ....
Mar 13 17:57:28 <lov> yes, exactly.
Mar 13 17:57:38 <pfn> lov, "most apps" again
Mar 13 17:57:41 <lov> if you hide the titlebar and don't actually test it
Mar 13 17:57:48 <lov> and you set your targetSdk to a level you haven't tested
Mar 13 17:57:55 <lov> whoops the user can't actually use your apps properly, 1 star uninstalled
Mar 13 17:57:56 <canadiancow|work> lov: wanna see an app that does that? :P
Mar 13 17:58:01 <canadiancow|work> its one i built
Mar 13 17:58:01 <pfn> again, it's few apps will break
Mar 13 17:58:02 <lov> no : (
Mar 13 17:58:06 <canadiancow|work> and then someone took it over
Mar 13 17:58:07 <pfn> canadiancow|work, good job  :p
Mar 13 17:58:10 <canadiancow|work> and released an update
Mar 13 17:58:12 <lov> pfn: hey, whatever. it's your apps.
Mar 13 17:58:12 <canadiancow|work> ICS Support
Mar 13 17:58:16 <canadiancow|work> guess how they added ICS support
Mar 13 17:58:23 <lov> I...
Mar 13 17:58:25 <lov> I don't want to know ._.
Mar 13 17:58:29 <lov> but I can now guess.
Mar 13 17:58:31 <canadiancow|work> they set targetSdkVersion to 14
Mar 13 17:58:32 <canadiancow|work> or 15
Mar 13 17:58:40 <canadiancow|work> so theres a menu
Mar 13 17:58:43 <canadiancow|work> that has necessary functionality
Mar 13 17:58:52 <canadiancow|work> that you cannot access on a device wihtout physical buttons
Mar 13 17:59:18 <bestKoderEver> Question: can one set style attribute to an arrayAdapter? yes/no ? :-P
Mar 13 17:59:24 <pfn> lov, see case in point above, even if one were to set it to target15 and test it on 15, if they had a device with physical buttons, same fuckup
Mar 13 17:59:43 <pfn> and the majority of ics devices will be with buttons
Mar 13 17:59:54 <pfn> at least for the near-term, once all current devices that are planned to, get upgrades
Mar 13 18:00:05 <canadiancow|work> not a bad point pfn
Mar 13 18:00:13 <cr5315> This is what I get just from importing ABS 4.0: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3270519/pics/Screenshots/Capture.PNG
Mar 13 18:00:23 * lov shrugs
Mar 13 18:00:34 <canadiancow|work> cr5315
Mar 13 18:00:35 <canadiancow|work> wow
Mar 13 18:00:48 <canadiancow|work> [13:54:02] <readme> cr5315: set compiler compliance level to 1.6
Mar 13 18:00:48 <canadiancow|work> [13:54:14] <readme> right click, properties, java compiler, compliance level -> 1.6
Mar 13 18:00:53 <cr5315> I did
Mar 13 18:00:56 <canadiancow|work> then exit eclispe
Mar 13 18:00:58 <canadiancow|work> open it again
Mar 13 18:01:00 <canadiancow|work> refresh everything
Mar 13 18:01:01 <canadiancow|work> clean
Mar 13 18:01:04 <Zooklubba> Sure you have the correct one for that project?
Mar 13 18:01:11 <Zooklubba> and didnt change for a project/workspace that isnt in use?
Mar 13 18:01:22 <cr5315> Yeah
Mar 13 18:02:29 <DarsVaeda> hi, how do I generate a sql-database manually so I can use it in my app? something like phpmyadmin or equivalent database tools
Mar 13 18:02:45 <por-beast> how can I force which recording device I'll use in Android?
Mar 13 18:07:22 <cr5315> The errors keep coming back
Mar 13 18:10:01 <cr5315> I've changed the complience level to 1.6, restarted eclipse like 5 times, and the errors still show up
Mar 13 18:11:07 <SimonVT> Did you add the support library to eclipse?
Mar 13 18:11:14 <tapas> hmm, how can i make an EditText lose focus?
Mar 13 18:11:29 <storkme> bomb it from orbit
Mar 13 18:11:34 <storkme> those fuckers are persistent
Mar 13 18:12:18 <cr5315> SimonVT, yes
Mar 13 18:12:32 <SimonVT> On the ABS project?
Mar 13 18:13:45 <cr5315> Fairly certain
Mar 13 18:14:48 <canadiancow|work> oh lint...
Mar 13 18:15:11 <SimonVT> Well, judging from the fact that it can't resolve FragmentTransaction, I'd guess you didn't
Mar 13 18:15:25 <canadiancow|work> if (currentAPIVersion >= android.os.Build.VERSION_CODES.HONEYCOMB_MR1) { someHoneycombCall(); } WARNING WARNING DANGER DANGER THIS CALL REQUIRES HONEYCOMB
Mar 13 18:16:29 <SimonVT> Yeah, it's isn't that smart yet. I think they want you to use static wrappers for new APIs
Mar 13 18:16:37 <canadiancow|work> which is fair
Mar 13 18:16:46 <canadiancow|work> becuase this code will crash on....1.6?
Mar 13 18:16:47 <canadiancow|work> 2.1?
Mar 13 18:16:48 <canadiancow|work> something?
Mar 13 18:16:58 <canadiancow|work> and its much easier to say "this class is for 3.1+"
Mar 13 18:16:59 <SimonVT> 1.6, yeah :p
Mar 13 18:17:02 <canadiancow|work> than "this line is for 3.1+"
Mar 13 18:17:10 <tapas> FYI: editText.clearFocus() does what i needed :D
Mar 13 18:18:54 <SimonVT> I think there was some reason for it not being possible to mark targetapi on a single line
Mar 13 18:19:03 <SimonVT> Just can't remember
Mar 13 18:19:30 <canadiancow|work> well its not so much a line as an if-block here
Mar 13 18:19:35 <canadiancow|work> you can do a method though
Mar 13 18:19:49 <canadiancow|work> once r17 is released, im going to force everyone to fix these
Mar 13 18:19:55 <canadiancow|work> i think we have 9 of those api errors in this project
Mar 13 18:20:03 <canadiancow|work> which consists of like 7 lib projects and the main app
Mar 13 18:20:06 <canadiancow|work> so it's...pretty good
Mar 13 18:22:41 <SimonVT> I have no idea how many api errors I have.. Haven't bothered yet cus of abs spamming it up :p
Mar 13 18:23:51 <canadiancow|work> hah lol
Mar 13 18:23:58 <canadiancow|work> yea i run lint, which checks lib projects
Mar 13 18:24:03 <canadiancow|work> then i clear the results on lib projects
Mar 13 18:24:10 <canadiancow|work> or at least - lib projects i didnt write
Mar 13 18:26:35 <SimonVT> Does it also check xml?
Mar 13 18:35:24 <code1> Don't you just hate it when you spend days trying to figure out how to do something and then right at the end you work out a much easier / more efficient way which means ripping out all the code you spent days writing! :/
Mar 13 18:35:53 <pfn> learning experience
Mar 13 18:36:29 <Zooklubba> I dislike a lot of stuff but as pfn  mentioned, learning experience.
Mar 13 18:36:45 <Zooklubba> As those pesky bugs eclipse can come up with sometimes.
Mar 13 18:36:45 <yeik> What is the best way to start an open source project for android and get people that might be interested in joining?
Mar 13 18:36:48 <SimonVT> That's how most my code was written in the beginning
Mar 13 18:36:56 <code1> yeah, that's the only thing I can put it down to while trying to keep sane! ;)
Mar 13 18:37:21 <Zooklubba> yeik, doing something that might interest people? And mention it in the correct forum?
Mar 13 18:37:27 <Zooklubba> Not sure I get the question
Mar 13 18:37:36 <pfn> yeik, post it on github and get people talking about it(using it)
Mar 13 18:38:09 <yeik> Ok. i didn't know if there is a common forum for devs, i have seen so many different ones that seem really small
Mar 13 18:39:11 <code1> Do you find planning (i.e. pen and paper) helps or do you just generally jump straight into coding?
Mar 13 18:39:40 <yeik> both. depending on what portion you are working on.
Mar 13 18:39:58 <pfn> the proper way is to plan and have an idea of how you're going to implement it first
Mar 13 18:40:30 <code1> I know what the "proper way" is but that's not what I asked! ;)
Mar 13 18:40:55 <mikedg> https://plus.google.com/u/0/116031914637788986927/posts/YyZBHJBPggt suck it
Mar 13 18:41:03 <pfn> planning is a necessity, pen Nd paper not so much
Mar 13 18:41:12 <Zooklubba> lol mikedg
Mar 13 18:41:16 <yeik> if you have an idea, sometimes you have to code it code1, but you need to know where its going.
Mar 13 18:41:27 <Zooklubba> mine was not that simple...
Mar 13 18:41:46 <mikedg> yeah, you aren't as lazy or smart as me
Mar 13 18:41:51 <mikedg> it's ok, not everyone can be
Mar 13 18:41:51 <Zooklubba> nope :(
Mar 13 18:42:21 <Zooklubba> Took me a while to even figure out I could move the source up and down, never tried to move them left/right
Mar 13 18:42:41 <pfn> mikedg, what's that supposed to be
Mar 13 18:43:10 <code1> maybe it's a balance, sometimes I write down a plan and not end up in that direction, other times I wish I planned things out!
Mar 13 18:43:46 <yeik> code1,  sometimes you have to modify your plan, it isn't something you set in stone.
Mar 13 18:43:46 <mikedg> pfn: the game from the io 2012 website
Mar 13 18:43:58 <mikedg> yeik: plans are set in stone
Mar 13 18:44:03 <mikedg> what do you think the ten commandments were?
Mar 13 18:44:04 <pfn> you should have a general architecture and design in mind
Mar 13 18:44:16 <pfn> mikedg, I see
Mar 13 18:44:25 * yeik laughs @ mikedg 
Mar 13 18:45:25 <code1> Ah that's where I went wrong, forget pen and paper, use chisel and stone! ;)
Mar 13 18:47:04 <yeik> code1, usually a plan is a guideline to help you get your project started. nothing is ever right the first time and often needs to be reworked.
Mar 13 18:47:41 <yeik> well, i shouldn't say nothing is ever right. There are lots of times you can do it well the first time, but often it needs to be tweaked
Mar 13 18:48:04 <DammitJim> why is it that this makes me laugh? this is part of the Math class: round(double d)
Mar 13 18:48:38 <yeik> thats just you DammitJim
Mar 13 18:48:54 <code1> yeik: very true, thanks.
Mar 13 18:50:01 <Zooklubba> mikedg, which browser did you use? I cant move the source or sink left or right, you cheat :(
Mar 13 18:51:36 <code1> Is it possible to load an Activity into the background?
Mar 13 18:52:03 <pfn> no
Mar 13 18:52:08 <chocimir> I have two Activites i.e. MainActivity and NewItemFormActivity. I would like to make testcase like that: 1. Launch MainActivity 2. Click AddItemButton (now NewItemFormActivity is starting) 3. click OkButton (now NewItemFormActivity is finishing) 4. check in MainActivity if item was added. But I don't know how to check if the second activity was launched and how to get this activity.
Mar 13 18:52:45 <code1> pfn: didn't think so
Mar 13 18:57:14 <SimonVT> Zooklubba: Make your browser window smaller
Mar 13 18:57:22 <Zooklubba> oh lmao
Mar 13 18:58:05 <DammitJim> I don't want to keep repeating string definitions in my app and have them defined in my strings.xml... do I always have to instantiate Resources res = getResources(); in code to access the string variables?
Mar 13 18:58:28 <Zooklubba> I feel stupid
Mar 13 18:59:01 <pfn> DammitJim, yes
Mar 13 18:59:03 <SimonVT> DammitJim: well yeah, tho context has a getString method
Mar 13 18:59:17 <MDijkstra> DammitJim: most android methods will accept string resource id's directly, though
Mar 13 18:59:31 <DammitJim> is this normal? I mean... I have a preferences.xml file so I didn't want to mistakenly retype the key names for example
Mar 13 18:59:47 <MDijkstra> err, I mean, for most methods there's a convenience method that takes a res id instead of a string
Mar 13 19:00:03 <DammitJim> or do people normally do key="preferenceKey"
Mar 13 19:00:28 <DammitJim> and then in their code do sharedPreference.getInt("preferenceKey",0)
Mar 13 19:01:01 <readme> DammitJim: I make a policy of not allowing possible spelling errors like that
Mar 13 19:01:19 <DammitJim> how do you accomplish that?
Mar 13 19:01:35 <DammitJim> I mean, if I only had 2 preferences, I wouldn't worry about it, but I have a dozen
Mar 13 19:01:36 <readme> public static final String PREF_X = "PREF_X";
Mar 13 19:01:42 <chocimir> has anybody tested android app using instrumantationTestCase or similiar?
Mar 13 19:01:44 <readme> then you can autocomplete the preference name
Mar 13 19:01:59 <readme> and you get a compilation error if it's wrong
Mar 13 19:02:05 <DammitJim> oh, I have those in code, readme, but how do I access that static variable from your XML?
Mar 13 19:02:17 <DammitJim> you have still typed a key name in 2 different places
Mar 13 19:02:22 <DammitJim> or is this not worth my time?
Mar 13 19:02:22 <SimonVT> You have to define it twice
Mar 13 19:02:25 <readme> DammitJim: you can't, if you really wanted to you could use string resources
Mar 13 19:02:30 <DammitJim> no problem.. that's good enough for me :)
Mar 13 19:02:32 <readme> but it would be redudant and harder that way
Mar 13 19:02:53 <DammitJim> readme, yup.. that's what I was originally asking... Resources res = getResources()
Mar 13 19:02:54 <DammitJim> thanks
Mar 13 19:03:10 <readme> getString(R.string.preference_name) -- but I really don't think this is good style
Mar 13 19:03:20 <readme> I'd rather just use a public static final String field
Mar 13 19:04:34 <Zooklubba> Would be a pain when it came to IE locale strings
Mar 13 19:04:38 <pfn> DammitJim, indeed, I hate how pref strings aren't resource ids
Mar 13 19:04:43 <pfn> DammitJim, so I turn them all into resources
Mar 13 19:04:50 <Zooklubba> but perhaps you only mean prefs, so I'll shut.
Mar 13 19:05:04 <pfn> and I make a light abstraction to getPref...(R.string.resource)
Mar 13 19:05:16 <DammitJim> pfn, that's where I was going
Mar 13 19:05:35 <DammitJim> but I'm going to keep it the way I was doing it which is how readme explained it
Mar 13 19:06:10 <pfn> SimonVT, it isn't defined twice
Mar 13 19:06:39 <pfn> by using R.string.x for pref keys, you'll at least get compiler checking for typos
Mar 13 19:07:15 <spots> how can i make sub activities in a tab (on android 2.3)?
Mar 13 19:07:54 <pfn> spots, by using a tabhost and shoving activities in them
Mar 13 19:08:46 <hkhalid> spots http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/TabActivity.html
Mar 13 19:08:48 <paradoxxjm> Can someone assist me with this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9690439/creating-custom-simple-cursor-adapter ?
Mar 13 19:08:50 <hkhalid> hi pfn
Mar 13 19:08:58 * hkhalid puts pfn with puffer fish
Mar 13 19:09:08 <Zooklubba> Hum
Mar 13 19:09:12 <Zooklubba> Anyone selling apps here?
Mar 13 19:09:17 <Zooklubba> Google checkout says a payout in March
Mar 13 19:09:28 <Zooklubba> but my bank account (and another developer, a friend of mine) has nothing
Mar 13 19:10:00 <Zooklubba> https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!topic/checkout-merchant/AM5NpAx6wpw I am not alone
Mar 13 19:10:20 <p_l> Zooklubba: in case of problems, there's secondary round on 15th of month
Mar 13 19:11:28 <DammitJim> pfn, but I don't need to instantiate Resources res = getResources() right? can I just do String string = getString(R.string.hello) ?
Mar 13 19:11:31 <Zooklubba> in case of google having problem or my bank account?
Mar 13 19:11:35 <spots> what do i have to add to get fragments on gingerbread?
Mar 13 19:11:48 <Zooklubba> Thought it cound be local thing in our country but looks like some problems by Google
Mar 13 19:11:51 <pfn> DammitJim, the former is not instantiation; the latter only works if this is a context
Mar 13 19:11:55 <pfn> spots, android-support jar
Mar 13 19:12:47 <code1> Is there anything special I need to do to turn a regular activity view into a dialog view? setTheme(android.R.style.Theme_Dialog) doesn't seem to do anything.
Mar 13 19:13:05 <pfn> do it before you setcontentview?
Mar 13 19:13:26 <AbsintheSyringe> does anyone know what's the approximate number of android developers?
Mar 13 19:13:30 <code1> yep I've got it on the line before
Mar 13 19:13:36 * pfn shrugs
Mar 13 19:13:45 <p_l> Zooklubba: seems to be a major case for EU countries all over
Mar 13 19:13:57 <code1> hmm is it possible that if the view is to big it wont work?
Mar 13 19:14:11 <Zooklubba> p_l, you a googler or something? Or just forum reader?
Mar 13 19:14:42 <p_l> Zooklubba: possible future googler, in meantime I found it on the forums :)
Mar 13 19:14:57 <Zooklubba> ah, ok. thanks
Mar 13 19:15:09 * p_l is currently waiting for on-site interview time to be arranged
Mar 13 19:15:24 <Zooklubba> Cool, how many phone interviews did you do?
Mar 13 19:15:44 <Zooklubba> and what did you apply for if you dont mind me asking?
Mar 13 19:16:11 <p_l> SRE/SWE at Dublin. Had 3 phone talks (one with recruiter, two phone screens with engineers)
Mar 13 19:17:07 <readme> p_l: you should definitely read this article then
Mar 13 19:17:24 <readme> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/my-job-interview-at-google/
Mar 13 19:17:58 <p_l> readme: I think I read that one before
Mar 13 19:19:10 <readme> p_l: well good luck, i am assuming it will be quite the day
Mar 13 19:20:05 <p_l> yeah. there are some updates since that article, btw - I used Google Docs for code, for example... and I used Common Lisp for my code :P
Mar 13 19:20:55 <rooly> anybody active?
Mar 13 19:21:01 <Zooklubba> yus
Mar 13 19:22:05 <rooly> neato
Mar 13 19:22:11 <rooly> i'm having problems with a View.post
Mar 13 19:22:24 <rooly> http://pastebin.com/0dYTGeif
Mar 13 19:22:27 <DammitJim> oh, a key cannot use an @string value?
Mar 13 19:22:40 <rooly> this code is causing problems
Mar 13 19:22:46 <rooly> it works in a debugger, but not on it's own
Mar 13 19:22:48 <usc911> Hey guys, anyone got any experience with mapping hardware keys?
Mar 13 19:22:51 <Zooklubba> good luck p_l , planned to do the internship but I am graduating to the summer and already got a cool job. So I guess I can work a bit and then apply :P
Mar 13 19:23:35 <p_l> heh
Mar 13 19:23:57 <Zooklubba> well, planned to apply for the summer internship that is
Mar 13 19:24:05 <rooly> :(
Mar 13 19:25:22 <rooly> i suppose i'll ask again
Mar 13 19:25:49 <rooly> i've got a background worker thread that performs some network i/o succesfully and then attempts to update the textview
Mar 13 19:26:03 <rooly> http://pastebin.com/0dYTGeif shows where it tries to run a posted runnable
Mar 13 19:26:03 <p_l> rooly: what happens when you run that code on its own?
Mar 13 19:26:17 <rooly> it gets all the way to the log message then hangs
Mar 13 19:26:21 <pfn> rooly, in.ready doesn't work reliably
Mar 13 19:26:28 <pfn> rooly, not for blocking IO
Mar 13 19:26:40 <rooly> pfn, i know, io isn't blocked i'm sure
Mar 13 19:26:59 <pfn> you never explain what exactly isn't working
Mar 13 19:27:06 <rooly> the view.post isn't running
Mar 13 19:27:08 <rooly> ever
Mar 13 19:27:14 <rooly> the app just hangs
Mar 13 19:27:15 <pfn> it's because in.ready always returns true
Mar 13 19:27:26 <rooly> Log.i runs
Mar 13 19:27:37 <rooly> so unless java performs out-of-order execution
Mar 13 19:27:43 <pfn> it doesn't
Mar 13 19:28:02 <Zooklubba> logcat?
Mar 13 19:28:08 <rooly> logcatted all to hell
Mar 13 19:28:10 <rooly> it just hangs
Mar 13 19:28:19 <rooly> i can post it if you don't believe me
Mar 13 19:28:35 <pfn> the code snippet is not enough to know what's going on
Mar 13 19:28:38 <rooly> i'll post more code first
Mar 13 19:29:26 <tnelsond> Hello people.
Mar 13 19:29:38 <hkhalid> sup tnelsond
Mar 13 19:30:28 <tnelsond> Oh, I'm just contemplating learning OpenGLES 1.0 instead of 2.0 because I can't find very many resources on 2.0.
Mar 13 19:30:52 <rooly> http://pastebin.com/py6CmHtB
Mar 13 19:31:30 <Chainfire> anybody received last month's payout yet ?
Mar 13 19:31:31 <rooly> and i'll post some logcat to go along with it
Mar 13 19:31:37 <paradoxxjm> Can someone assist me with implementing the cursoradapter in this question. Now sure how to implement it with cursor loader and using the changing color http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9690439/creating-custom-simple-cursor-adapter
Mar 13 19:32:45 <Zooklubba> Chainfire, nope. I didn't
Mar 13 19:33:05 <Zooklubba> Seems to be a major problem for loads and loads of merchants (in the EU what I know of)
Mar 13 19:33:27 <chocimir> How to change geolocation in testClass? I mean in UnitTest which I want to write? Is it possible?
Mar 13 19:33:43 <rooly> here is logcat for the app
Mar 13 19:33:43 <rooly> http://pastebin.com/H18q095g
Mar 13 19:34:08 <Chainfire> Zooklubba great
Mar 13 19:34:20 <rooly> any ideas p_1, pfn?
Mar 13 19:34:22 <Chainfire> for once they create the sales report in time so I can handle my taxes
Mar 13 19:34:27 <Chainfire> now I won't actually have the money to pay it, rofl
Mar 13 19:34:39 <Zooklubba> lol
Mar 13 19:34:42 <Chainfire> another month another problem with Google Checkout ...
Mar 13 19:34:58 <Zooklubba> p_l mentioned that they will try another payout the 15th
Mar 13 19:35:15 <Zooklubba> https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!topic/checkout-merchant/AM5NpAx6wpw
Mar 13 19:35:18 <p_l> rooly: don't use buffered input stream
Mar 13 19:35:30 <rooly> which should i use instead?
Mar 13 19:35:42 <rooly> i''m really quite new at this and probably trying something way too hard
Mar 13 19:35:44 <Zooklubba> Check the answer from jiazou for more information Chainfire, if jiazou is a googler :P
Mar 13 19:36:08 <p_l> rooly: use the inputstream directly, without bufferedstream wrapper
Mar 13 19:36:19 <pfn> using a bufferedinputstream is fine
Mar 13 19:36:28 <pfn> there's really no problem with that
Mar 13 19:36:47 <rooly> either way, that's not where the problem occurs
Mar 13 19:36:52 <rooly> the view.post never runs
Mar 13 19:37:04 <rooly> *on it's own
Mar 13 19:37:09 <rooly> it runs in a debugger however
Mar 13 19:37:27 <p_l> ... okay, now I have *no* idea
Mar 13 19:37:37 <pfn> dunno about that either
Mar 13 19:37:37 <phokus> Chainfire: ive msg'ed you several times over the past several months without response,  i'd like to chat quickly when you have a moment
Mar 13 19:37:47 <pfn> use new Handler(Looper.getMainLooper).post and see if it makes a difference
Mar 13 19:37:48 <pfn> shouldn't...
Mar 13 19:37:54 <rooly> it might
Mar 13 19:38:24 <Chainfire> phokus pm me I have a few minutes
Mar 13 19:38:55 <rooly> and that works
Mar 13 19:39:03 <rooly> :(
Mar 13 19:39:04 <rooly> wtf
Mar 13 19:39:07 <pfn> rooly, anyway, don't create so many threads
Mar 13 19:39:17 <pfn> secondly, apparently the view's handler isn't connected to the looper or something
Mar 13 19:39:20 * pfn shrugs
Mar 13 19:39:29 <rooly> i don't want too, this is just a raw sample func app to test a foreground service
Mar 13 19:39:44 <pfn> rooly, so just use the mainlooper's handler
Mar 13 19:39:51 <rooly> kk, thanks
Mar 13 19:39:53 <g00s> heh, nvidia really screwed this up - they can't supply apple with low end chips so apple needs to rely on integrated graphics
Mar 13 19:39:59 <rooly> really was starting to give me a headache
Mar 13 19:40:55 <pfn> rooly, pay attention to the return value of view.post
Mar 13 19:41:06 <pfn> in your case, it's probably returning false, indicating failure to post
Mar 13 19:41:18 <rooly> ah, alright
Mar 13 19:41:38 <rooly> well, it works on its own in the two catch blocks
Mar 13 19:41:46 <rooly> so...iunno
Mar 13 19:41:49 <pfn> it's a matter of timing
Mar 13 19:43:16 <p_l> g00s: isn't all current MacBook stuff using intelGMA + Radeon on hte higher end?
Mar 13 19:43:40 <g00s> dunno, this is for the midrange macbook pros
Mar 13 19:43:42 <PeteS> is it possible to have a view with a large background image that will wrap content for height and crop the background image? in other words, my background image is stretching the view out to the full size of the image, and I just want it to be big enough for its content...
Mar 13 19:44:14 <dang`r`us> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro
Mar 13 19:44:22 <dang`r`us> like p_l said
Mar 13 19:45:49 <g00s> is the bin/proguard/mapping.txt file all that needs to be saved for future reference? or do I need all of the bin/proguard files ?
Mar 13 19:46:07 <p_l> personally I'm looking into getting a radeon-using laptop next, because all intel+nvidia combos seem to be using Optimus (which sucks on linux), and on AMD the A-series is best choice for laptops right now
Mar 13 19:46:22 <gnagno> hello all
Mar 13 19:46:31 <Zooklubba> hi
Mar 13 19:46:43 <gnagno> is it possible to define the slidingdrawer programmatically?
Mar 13 19:47:45 <pfn> g00s, just mapping
Mar 13 19:47:54 <g00s> pfn: thanks again
Mar 13 19:49:44 <Duke_Puke> Ok so I have a array of id's to match with the rows in a ContactsContract.Contact._ID and return the rows that is containing the specified ids in the id-array. How should i form the query to get just the rows with matching data?
Mar 13 19:50:24 <MrChyizPyiz> cursor.moveToNext()
Mar 13 19:51:25 <Duke_Puke> MrChyizPyiz wont that take a awful lot of energy to first get all 250 rows and then loop throgh to fin the correct match?
Mar 13 19:51:54 <MrChyizPyiz> 250 isn't much, but what happened to the where clause?
Mar 13 19:52:10 <Zooklubba> query Contact.ID +"='"=id+"'" ?
Mar 13 19:52:32 <MrChyizPyiz> exactly, replace the + with the id of the contact you want
Mar 13 19:52:37 <MrChyizPyiz> throw some ANDs in there and bam
Mar 13 19:52:46 <MrChyizPyiz> or just do by name
Mar 13 19:52:53 <MrChyizPyiz> Contact.Name or something like that
Mar 13 19:52:54 <Duke_Puke> MrChyizPyiz: I still havent managed to make it work. I would need to use a kind of string builder where the delimiter would be: "' OR='"
Mar 13 19:53:12 <Zooklubba> Duke_Puke, read on the SQLIte where clause
Mar 13 19:53:26 <MrChyizPyiz> ugg, just iterate the cursor and add the matches to a list, the toArray the list
Mar 13 19:53:29 <MrChyizPyiz> 250 isn't much
Mar 13 19:53:30 <Zooklubba> and build with or's, ands or watever
Mar 13 19:54:13 <Zooklubba> all depends on what you want to query
Mar 13 19:54:32 <Duke_Puke> i know how it is formed, i just need to make a stringbuilder. But that is the approperiate solution right? So i dont sit and code on something that wont work
Mar 13 19:54:43 <MrChyizPyiz> just tack on additional where parameters with +=
Mar 13 19:54:55 <SimonVT> WHERE _id IN (14, 15, 16, 17, 18, ...)
Mar 13 19:55:04 <Duke_Puke> Zooklubba Im querying ContactsContract.contacts._ID
Mar 13 19:55:40 <Zooklubba> You have a list where you have a couple of Ids you want to query with OR in between?
Mar 13 19:55:41 <Duke_Puke> SimonVT, where you meen the 14 15 16 is ids?
Mar 13 19:55:59 <MrChyizPyiz> the contact id's looks like IN is quite useful
Mar 13 19:56:07 <Snuffel> did this turn in an sql-class?
Mar 13 19:56:15 <Snuffel> into
Mar 13 19:56:16 <Duke_Puke> Zooklubba no i meant "and" sorry
Mar 13 19:56:19 <SimonVT> Snuffel: Apparantly
Mar 13 19:56:36 <SimonVT> Duke_Puke: Yes, google it
Mar 13 19:56:50 <Duke_Puke> SimonVT: Thanks :)
Mar 13 19:58:58 <MrChyizPyiz> Anything else not like the checkStateLoss method in FragmentManager?
Mar 13 19:59:23 <MrChyizPyiz> all it does is throw an exception with no way to gracefully handle it. I've experienced random rare issues in the past with a ViewPager
Mar 13 20:00:00 <MrChyizPyiz> nothing duplicable on my end at all, but maybe a crash a week from users. Some random race condition or something
Mar 13 20:00:59 <SimonVT> Soo, allow state loss?
Mar 13 20:01:19 <MrChyizPyiz> All my data is persistent, the state of my fragments are irrelevent
Mar 13 20:01:33 <MrChyizPyiz> I ended up just nuking checkStateLoss as the state of my fragments are irrelevent
Mar 13 20:01:59 <SimonVT> Err, just use commitAllowingStateLoss()
Mar 13 20:02:02 <MrChyizPyiz>  but in any case it was related to ViewPager and not manual fragment management
Mar 13 20:02:19 <MrChyizPyiz> no way to force ViewPager to use commitAllowingStateLoss
Mar 13 20:02:39 <MrChyizPyiz> that would be a convenient method for ViewPager. ViewPager.allowStateLoss()
Mar 13 20:02:58 <SimonVT> So instead of copying the fragmentpageradapter to your project and slightly modifying it, you changed how the support lib works
Mar 13 20:03:21 <MrChyizPyiz> just FragmentManager
Mar 13 20:03:48 <MrChyizPyiz> it wasn't a duplicable issue on my end, no real way to debug it
Mar 13 20:04:03 <MrChyizPyiz> simply a view pager
Mar 13 20:04:17 <SimonVT> Kinda bad solution tho, considering the alternatives
Mar 13 20:04:27 <SimonVT> You'll end up with the same issue if you ever move away from the support lib fragments
Mar 13 20:05:06 <MrChyizPyiz> No doubt, I just wanted it to go away to clear my head for client projects rather than get frustrated over my own project
Mar 13 20:05:42 <g00s> http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/android-market-makeover-cant-hide-fatal-flaws/2012-03-12
Mar 13 20:05:48 * g00s yawns
Mar 13 20:05:51 <g00s> <.<
Mar 13 20:06:11 <g00s> MrChyizPyiz: don't hack the compat lib to get around your weird situation :)
Mar 13 20:06:29 <MrChyizPyiz> my partners tell me that too
Mar 13 20:06:29 <Duke_Puke> SimonVT: The "IN" is optimised for rawQuery. And i can't rawQuery a contentprovider. Can i put the "IN" line in the WHERE-clause string?
Mar 13 20:09:42 <tran4> I'm a senior CS undergrad. I applied to a company for co-op and intern positions: http://pastebin.com/LdAH6eaZ  Are they good? no reply from company yet but got a call from a recruiter for the same position. shuold i talk to him if I want the position? his ad has $14/hr listed. I live with my parents and they want me to get some work experience this summer. I havent had many replies for my applications so far.
Mar 13 20:12:23 <mikedg> seems reasonable
Mar 13 20:12:37 <mikedg> oh college
Mar 13 20:12:41 <mikedg> hmmm
Mar 13 20:12:53 <gho5t> $14/hr is decent
Mar 13 20:14:39 <g00s> tran4: doesn't give much details, but i would try to find something more cs-y
Mar 13 20:15:30 <g00s> like mikedglabs
Mar 13 20:15:57 <mikedg> yeah, i'm hiring 3$ an hour
Mar 13 20:16:02 <mikedg> you get to work on Unity games
Mar 13 20:16:08 <mikedg> and  furnish you with licenses
Mar 13 20:16:19 <mikedg> it's really minimum wage, but i take money out for the licenses
Mar 13 20:17:08 <VJTachyon> I pay $3/hr too, but you get all the hot pockets you can eat
Mar 13 20:17:15 <mikey|> ok, anyone else sign into dev console and get told to sin up again o.O
Mar 13 20:17:22 <mikey|> s/sin/sign
Mar 13 20:17:39 <mikey|> oh damn, nevermind
Mar 13 20:17:41 <Zooklubba> lol
Mar 13 20:17:42 <mikey|> wrong gmail account
Mar 13 20:17:58 <mikey|> panic over
Mar 13 20:18:13 <splnet> Question on SIP api. What process is actually responsible for sending/receiving network traffic?
Mar 13 20:18:21 <Zooklubba> been there done that
Mar 13 20:18:54 <gho5t> So I am tasked with building an app that has a menu which is a circle and clicking on each one shows a new activity. If I wanted to build this as a control, should I use fragments?
Mar 13 20:20:01 <HQRaja> Does anyone have an idea on how long does it usually take Samsung to release kernel sources after an OTA? (Based on their past track record)
Mar 13 20:21:34 <everythingWorks> hey
Mar 13 20:21:40 <everythingWorks> any ideas about this database issue? http://ideone.com/e0rAw
Mar 13 20:21:40 <gho5t> I meant a circle of menu items
Mar 13 20:21:47 <gho5t> click on one and a new view slides in
Mar 13 20:23:29 <alowaniak> hmm maybe no writing privilege (or w/e it's called again) everythingWorks?
Mar 13 20:23:37 <mikey|> no monies from google for me either :(
Mar 13 20:23:42 <everythingWorks> alowaniak
Mar 13 20:23:49 <everythingWorks> i think the issue is that the db directory is not created yet
Mar 13 20:23:58 <everythingWorks> thus the path wont be found
Mar 13 20:24:05 <t0mless> it should create it
Mar 13 20:24:14 <t0mless> and you don't need write privilage for your own app directory
Mar 13 20:24:17 <alowaniak> hmye i would think so too t0mless
Mar 13 20:24:22 <alowaniak> ah ye, obv
Mar 13 20:24:22 <ctate> ==everythingWorks
Mar 13 20:24:25 <ctate> the db doesn't exist yet
Mar 13 20:24:37 <t0mless> what are your DB_NAME and CREATE_TABLE constants?
Mar 13 20:25:10 <everythingWorks> t0mless some string constants. They are okay, i am sure.
Mar 13 20:25:17 <t0mless> Show us
Mar 13 20:25:22 <everythingWorks> The other thing is: it works on about 98% of all devices, on other it doesen't.
Mar 13 20:25:29 <everythingWorks> so i know they are okay..
Mar 13 20:25:48 <ctate> static final String DB_NAME="Robert'); DROP TABLE students; ---";
Mar 13 20:25:57 <t0mless> lol
Mar 13 20:26:02 <t0mless> xkcd = win.
Mar 13 20:26:06 <ctate> word.
Mar 13 20:26:28 <alowaniak> little bobby tables
Mar 13 20:26:43 <ctate> his sister's name is Help im trapped in a drivers license factory
Mar 13 20:27:02 <canadiancow|work> :D
Mar 13 20:27:25 <p_l> and their mother tends to type comments on websites you browse using VPN if you try using her wifi without asking
Mar 13 20:27:50 <canadiancow|work> anyone heard of an activity background not invalidating as you scroll a listview?
Mar 13 20:27:51 <canadiancow|work> or it like
Mar 13 20:27:53 <p_l> and I mean comments by hijacking HTTPS streams so she can modify the pages in flight
Mar 13 20:27:55 <canadiancow|work> ghosts the image of the listview
Mar 13 20:28:01 <canadiancow|work> so hten when you do scroll, it looks retarded
Mar 13 20:28:04 <hkhalid> anyone here use encryption with android?
Mar 13 20:28:16 <canadiancow|work> i encrypt all my datas
Mar 13 20:28:20 <lov> canadiancow|work: yeah, I think as an optimization for listviews the background can be null
Mar 13 20:28:28 <lov> canadiancow|work: there's some romainguy blurb about this
Mar 13 20:28:29 <chocimir> my app is using gps, how could i check it by JUnitTests?
Mar 13 20:28:31 <canadiancow|work> well thats fine on the listview
Mar 13 20:28:35 <hkhalid> canadiancow using 3.0+ or what
Mar 13 20:28:35 <lov> chocimir: MockLocationProviders
Mar 13 20:28:37 <canadiancow|work> the listview background is transparent
Mar 13 20:28:42 <canadiancow|work> the activity background is not
Mar 13 20:28:52 <canadiancow|work> but the listview itself is ghosting onto the activity under rare circumstances
Mar 13 20:28:53 <lov> canadiancow|work: yeah no I get that.
Mar 13 20:28:57 <canadiancow|work> once is on a droid x with 2.2.1
Mar 13 20:29:01 <canadiancow|work> the other is something running CM9
Mar 13 20:29:22 <lov> I'm pretty sure that you have to do something to say "draw the background anyway, it's not getting hinted away"
Mar 13 20:29:26 <Zooklubba> Oh, ppl here with the Galaxy Nexus?
Mar 13 20:29:27 * lov shrugs
Mar 13 20:29:31 <canadiancow|work> oh yea lov that sounds familiar
Mar 13 20:29:33 <canadiancow|work> Zooklubba: moi
Mar 13 20:29:38 <gho5t> should I get a book on Android 3 or 4?
Mar 13 20:29:42 <Zooklubba> I use the music player A LOT. But it is weird. The acitivty stack is fed up
Mar 13 20:29:49 <gho5t> I have no idea what my target platform will be
Mar 13 20:29:53 <Zooklubba> If I open the music app it can be which ever app I have used while playing music
Mar 13 20:30:05 <Zooklubba> if I back I just go through the stack. To another acitivty
Mar 13 20:30:08 <Zooklubba> it's a pain
Mar 13 20:30:20 <Zooklubba> Might be in tapatalk, after like 10 back presses it opens the browser or whatever
Mar 13 20:30:32 <Zooklubba> just by opening music :/
Mar 13 20:31:02 <Zooklubba> I guess it happens when I use the controls in the notification bar/lock screen somehow.
Mar 13 20:31:17 <chocimir> lov: does it work in andorid 2.1?
Mar 13 20:31:29 <Zooklubba> Noticed anything similar canadiancow|work?
Mar 13 20:31:45 <chocimir> Im still getting NullLocationException
Mar 13 20:32:00 <canadiancow|work> ive never had that
Mar 13 20:32:14 <canadiancow|work> gho5t, if that's a yes or no question, i would say "no"
Mar 13 20:32:22 <canadiancow|work> if it's multiple choice, i would say 4
Mar 13 20:32:34 <gho5t> you don't like books?
Mar 13 20:32:40 <canadiancow|work> not android books
Mar 13 20:32:43 <canadiancow|work> :p
Mar 13 20:32:45 <lov> chocimir: yes
Mar 13 20:32:47 <gho5t> : )
Mar 13 20:32:56 <canadiancow|work> coming out tomorrow: LEARN HOW TO WRITE APPS FOR FROYO!
Mar 13 20:32:58 <t0mless> A book that is specific to a specific api level doesn't seem like win
Mar 13 20:33:03 <canadiancow|work> t0mless: +1
Mar 13 20:33:06 <lov> chocimir: you need permissions to use mock locations, and you need something that actually injects those locations
Mar 13 20:33:18 <t0mless> that reminds me, I need to see if commonsware has updated lately
Mar 13 20:33:18 <gho5t> canadiancow: can you explain to me when to use fragrments vs custom views? then I might not need the book
Mar 13 20:33:24 <ctate> Zooklubba: i'm not sure what exactly the behavior is that you're complaining about
Mar 13 20:33:33 <gho5t> I have to create an interesting navigation control
Mar 13 20:33:35 <canadiancow|work> gho5t, fragments have lifecycles
Mar 13 20:33:37 <canadiancow|work> views do not
Mar 13 20:33:51 <gho5t> ok. why might I want it to have a lifecycle?
Mar 13 20:33:53 <t0mless> gho5t you want to extend ViewGroup for that probably
Mar 13 20:33:56 <canadiancow|work> fragments generally consist of many views
Mar 13 20:34:11 <Zooklubba> ctate, if I open the music player it shows another app. It never shows the music player itself. So other acitivites and applications belong to the music application. If I back press it goes through different activities I have used
Mar 13 20:34:18 <gho5t> canadiancow: so do viewgroups
Mar 13 20:34:23 <gho5t> or views for that matter
Mar 13 20:34:29 <Zooklubba> I can never get to the music player and change the songs (except using notification bar buttons)
Mar 13 20:34:50 <gho5t> err viewgroups yeah
Mar 13 20:34:50 <Zooklubba> Since back pressing in my browser only takes you back in the history and never closes the app, at least not for me.
Mar 13 20:35:06 <ctate> "if I open the music player it shows another app" -- so you tap the Music icon, but it launches some other app?
Mar 13 20:35:16 <Zooklubba> Yes.
Mar 13 20:35:19 <ctate> !
Mar 13 20:35:23 <Zooklubba> And if I press back it goes to another application.
Mar 13 20:35:28 <ctate> okay, i've never seen that
Mar 13 20:35:33 <Zooklubba> One example, opens music player. Shows me tapatalk
Mar 13 20:35:38 <t0mless> I think your phone hates your choice in music
Mar 13 20:35:38 <Zooklubba> I press back, shows me browser
Mar 13 20:35:42 <Zooklubba> lol
Mar 13 20:35:51 <Zooklubba> I open music player, shows me browser.
Mar 13 20:35:53 <SimonVT> I think your phone hates you
Mar 13 20:35:57 <Zooklubba> I reboot phone, finally shows me music player
Mar 13 20:35:58 <SimonVT> Never had that issue
Mar 13 20:35:59 <canadiancow|work> gho5t: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals/fragments.html
Mar 13 20:36:01 <canadiancow|work> read all that
Mar 13 20:36:04 <Zooklubba> I bloody hate it
Mar 13 20:36:28 <Zooklubba> It's stock UK Gnexus running 4.0.2
Mar 13 20:36:36 <ctate> i wonder whether some other app on the phone is advertising as being hte music app
Mar 13 20:37:14 <gho5t> canadiancow: already did
Mar 13 20:37:30 <canadiancow|work> ok read the rest of the dev guide
Mar 13 20:37:40 <gho5t> still don't really get to when to use which - unless it's as simple as "use fragments if you want it to work on tablets too"
Mar 13 20:37:49 <gho5t> i just want to know the best way to create me custom control
Mar 13 20:37:56 <gho5t> so I can use it in other projects
Mar 13 20:37:57 <canadiancow|work> so use a fragment "instead" of an activity (in a 2.x app)
Mar 13 20:38:03 <canadiancow|work> a custom CONTROL is a view
Mar 13 20:38:07 <canadiancow|work> a fragment is a 'screen'
Mar 13 20:38:17 <canadiancow|work> if you just want SuperHawtSexyTextView, it's a view
Mar 13 20:38:42 <gho5t> ok if I were to write my own Tab Control, would I do that as a custom view
Mar 13 20:38:46 <gho5t> or a Fragment?
Mar 13 20:38:48 <Zooklubba> ctate, it shows more or less any of the apps I use. Which is like tapatalk, browser and setting (more or less). and I remember correctly the app that shows up as the music player is random.
Mar 13 20:39:06 <ctate> Zooklubba: this is happening fairly reliably for you?
Mar 13 20:39:07 <Zooklubba> And being able to back press and going to another application (not activity) without reaching home/launcher seems a bit sketchy.
Mar 13 20:39:08 <root66> gho5t: I would think a view
Mar 13 20:39:25 <root66> if they want to put it inside a fragment that's their business
Mar 13 20:39:25 <gho5t> that's what I prefer to do since I know how to do that
Mar 13 20:39:28 <SimonVT> Is it the stock launcher as well, Zooklubba ?
Mar 13 20:39:32 <ctate> if so, are you able to (a) write down exactly the sequence of launches etc that you're trying, and (b) send me a bugreport from the afflicted phone?
Mar 13 20:39:33 <Zooklubba> Yes SimonVT .
Mar 13 20:39:36 <root66> or include a wrapper class
Mar 13 20:39:38 <gho5t> just not sure if it's best practice
Mar 13 20:39:45 <root66> I think it is
Mar 13 20:39:50 <ctate> <ctate@google.com> is me, and I work on the Android framework at Google.
Mar 13 20:39:54 <canadiancow|work> lov: http://www.curious-creature.org/2008/12/22/why-is-my-list-black-an-android-optimization/
Mar 13 20:39:58 <Zooklubba> ctate, I would say its quite reliably. and I will do that.
Mar 13 20:40:00 <root66> I would be a little irked if I downloaded it and it was a fragment instead of a view
Mar 13 20:40:03 <canadiancow|work> thats kind of the opposite of what i'm seeing though :(
Mar 13 20:40:08 <Zooklubba> Will do some testing and documentation
Mar 13 20:40:14 <ctate> \o/
Mar 13 20:40:23 <ctate> muchas gracias
Mar 13 20:40:29 <canadiancow|work> ctate is the master of bugfixes
Mar 13 20:40:44 <canadiancow|work> once i told him about a bug, and he fixed
Mar 13 20:40:45 <canadiancow|work> it
Mar 13 20:40:55 <Zooklubba> lol
Mar 13 20:40:58 <Zooklubba> nice
Mar 13 20:41:52 <ctate> "once"
Mar 13 20:42:00 <ctate> damning with faint praise there :)
Mar 13 20:42:29 <canadiancow|work> well we've talked about other things, but i have no knowledge of whether it was you who actually fixed it
Mar 13 20:42:35 <canadiancow|work> but this one example, i know it was you :)
Mar 13 20:43:40 <readme> man, I was banging my head against the wall on some NPE for hours
Mar 13 20:43:50 <readme> took a walk, got an ice cream
Mar 13 20:43:57 <readme> come back, 2 minutes, done
Mar 13 20:44:02 <Zooklubba> I do have desktop visualizer or whatsitcalled. But that is for shortcuts on my start page or what I should call it and not when I open the stock launcher with all the apps.
Mar 13 20:44:18 <readme> Zooklubba: are you replacing the launcher....
Mar 13 20:44:36 <readme> are you sure you're opening the stock launcher and it doesn't just look like you are?
Mar 13 20:44:45 <Zooklubba> I am checking now :/
Mar 13 20:44:49 <readme> I have yet to find any custom launcher that works
Mar 13 20:44:55 <readme> they all break, go, launcher pro
Mar 13 20:45:04 <mikey|> go launcher ex?
Mar 13 20:45:14 <mikey|> i've been using that for ages, works like a charm
Mar 13 20:45:39 <Zooklubba> No other launcher installed readme
Mar 13 20:45:54 <readme> ok to be fair, I think go was working but I didn't like the theme selection or something
Mar 13 20:45:58 <readme> but launcher pro does break
Mar 13 20:46:07 <readme> every now and then icons are missing from the bottom bar
Mar 13 20:46:11 <readme> might try go again
Mar 13 20:46:30 <readme> what I would really like in a launcher, is the ability to hide icons from the crappy OEM apps.
Mar 13 20:46:39 <ctate> ... okay, did some digging.  known framework bug; fixed in a future release.
Mar 13 20:46:42 <ctate> thanks!
Mar 13 20:46:51 <Zooklubba> Which bug?
Mar 13 20:46:53 <splnet> How do I figure out what the userid of an android user? i.e. uid of "media"
Mar 13 20:46:57 <readme> yeah yeah, i can root it, but I dont' want to mess with stuff, because I can't back up my phone anyway
Mar 13 20:47:00 <ctate> Zooklubba: the one you're seeing
Mar 13 20:47:05 <Zooklubba> Oh cool.
Mar 13 20:47:10 <Zooklubba> Glad it's not just me then :P
Mar 13 20:47:13 <ctate> Music trips over it a lot because Music manages its task stack somewhat unusually.
Mar 13 20:47:25 <Zooklubba> Makes it a big pain to play music. Some way to not get that problem that much?
Mar 13 20:47:39 <mikey|> has anyone had this problem with ICS and resources: my action bar icon for ICS is in drawable folder, called ics_actionbar.png, in drawable-sw720dp and drawable-320dp, I have an xml drawable alias to it
Mar 13 20:47:41 <Zooklubba> Wonder if clear app data would work, reboot takes too much time
Mar 13 20:47:49 <mikey|> first time it opens, it loads the actionbar icon fine
Mar 13 20:47:55 <mikey|> 2nd time, it no longer loads it
Mar 13 20:48:05 <mikey|> happens on ICS stock xoom and ICS phone emulator
Mar 13 20:48:08 <readme> splnet: $ id media
Mar 13 20:48:34 <Zooklubba> Thanks a lot ctate! Anything about when it will be released? Guess it's hard but I am just uber curious since it's the only major bug I have found out which I know is a bug now :P
Mar 13 20:48:35 <splnet> readme: I think you need a hacked version of id for that
Mar 13 20:48:48 <ctate> #include <dont-discuss-future-releases.h>
Mar 13 20:48:59 <readme> splnet: hmmm, busybox maybe?
Mar 13 20:49:02 <Zooklubba> aah right. Sowwy
Mar 13 20:49:02 <canadiancow|work> ctate: is it a released release?
Mar 13 20:49:08 <canadiancow|work> like future from 4.0.2?
Mar 13 20:49:09 <splnet> readme: "id xyx" returns 0
Mar 13 20:49:10 <canadiancow|work> or future from now
Mar 13 20:49:12 <ctate> post-4.0.2
Mar 13 20:49:20 <canadiancow|work> 4.0.3?
Mar 13 20:49:23 <splnet> readme: good idea I'll check
Mar 13 20:49:31 <Zooklubba> ctate, no information on how not to invoke the bug? Tips and tricks or whatever
Mar 13 20:49:53 <splnet> readme: bingo! thanks
Mar 13 20:50:16 <ctate> Zooklubba: not really.  backing all the way to home might help reset things; also you can use the recents UI to navigate between apps to a certain extent
Mar 13 20:50:58 <Zooklubba> Oh ok. thanks.
Mar 13 20:51:34 <readme> splnet: ;)
Mar 13 20:52:58 <Zooklubba> ctate, sorry if I am being an idiot or similar. Does it have a number I can follow it on the issue list :P? And another question while a googler is here. Do you know anyhting about the payout merchant issue us EU folks are having?
Mar 13 20:53:24 <ctate> i know nothing whatsoever about market / checkout / money stuff
Mar 13 20:53:43 <canadiancow|work> i know someone who might ;)
Mar 13 20:53:53 <mikey|> how can you check if development mode is enabled on a device? Settings.Secure doesnt seem to have entry for it
Mar 13 20:53:53 <ctate> and i don't know wehther there's an issue ont he external tracker for this bug, either.  i can just assure that you that it's known internally and believed to be fixed for future releases.
Mar 13 20:53:54 <canadiancow|work> well probably not that
Mar 13 20:53:59 <canadiancow|work> that sounds pretty account-specific
Mar 13 20:54:08 <ctate> mikey|: what is "development" mode?
Mar 13 20:54:13 <pfn> speaking of settings.secure
Mar 13 20:54:23 <pfn> can settings/.secure be modified from commandline?
Mar 13 20:54:25 <pfn> with root access?
Mar 13 20:54:31 <pfn> that might be useful
Mar 13 20:54:38 * Zooklubba hugs ctate 
Mar 13 20:54:39 <Afzal> http://pastebin.com/WsPv5R0y gives "You cannot combine custom titles with other title features" :/
Mar 13 20:54:43 <pfn> I could write a root-app to replace my original bluetooth keyguard app
Mar 13 20:54:45 <Zooklubba> canadiancow|work, mind asking him ;)?
Mar 13 20:54:54 <canadiancow|work> no, he wouldnt know osmtehing like that
Mar 13 20:54:56 <mikey|> ctate: eh, usb debug mode
Mar 13 20:54:57 <canadiancow|work> that's not a "technical" issue
Mar 13 20:55:04 <Zooklubba> ah ok :(
Mar 13 20:55:07 <canadiancow|work> he's in here
Mar 13 20:55:20 <canadiancow|work> im sure he'd chime in if he knew something and was allowed to talk
Mar 13 20:56:05 <Zooklubba> Aye. Just glad that I don't need that money for salaries or whatever, could be a pain for some.
Mar 13 20:56:45 <DarsVaeda> hi, when using an avd from eclipse, where does that store data? where is the android data folder placed?
Mar 13 20:57:15 <mikey|> ctate: any idea re checking if usb debugging is enabled?
Mar 13 20:57:43 <readme> DarsVaeda: depends on OS
Mar 13 20:57:52 <DarsVaeda> debian
Mar 13 20:58:00 <readme> ~/.android
Mar 13 20:58:05 <DarsVaeda> thanks
Mar 13 20:58:19 <readme> (that's the right OS :D)
Mar 13 20:58:29 <DarsVaeda> sure is :P
Mar 13 20:58:58 <mikey|> looks like ADB_ENABLED might be what im after
Mar 13 20:59:22 <ctate> ... yeah i was about to suggest that one
Mar 13 20:59:30 <ctate> that's in secure settings?
Mar 13 20:59:33 <mikey|> yep
Mar 13 20:59:59 * ctate nods
Mar 13 21:03:06 <mikey|> i've had ics on the xoom since ics was released for it and im still getting random reboots
Mar 13 21:03:21 <ctate> hard reboots?
Mar 13 21:03:22 <mikey|> xoom is in my lap atm and randomly just rebooted now :|
Mar 13 21:03:30 <mikey|> reboots to moto logo
Mar 13 21:03:38 <ctate> sigh.  driver bugs.
Mar 13 21:03:48 <g00s> my droid-1 does that
Mar 13 21:03:54 <g00s> not very often though
Mar 13 21:03:56 <Zooklubba> ctate, just talked to a friend.  He mentioned having similar problems on his gn and also n1. That the icons opens the wrong app. So not the same but quite similar to my problem. Is that the same bug or also a known one?
Mar 13 21:04:10 <mikey|> my one was originally a uk model, I made it like the US google edition
Mar 13 21:04:18 <mikey|> wonder if that would cause it
Mar 13 21:04:41 <wongk> thunderbolt with a sense ROM does that
Mar 13 21:04:51 <ctate> Zooklubba: it looks to me like a longstanding bug with very specific conditions needed to trigger it.  the newer Music app happens to be good at tickling things in a way that caused the bug to surface nowadays.
Mar 13 21:04:53 <wongk> aosp doesn't, though
Mar 13 21:05:19 <mikey|> actually, mine is wifi only model so putting the google rom on there shouldn't be an issue...
Mar 13 21:05:21 <Zooklubba> yeah
Mar 13 21:05:36 * pfn twiddles his thumbs while repo grep runs
Mar 13 21:06:13 <Zooklubba> My friend although mentioned that he could back to the launcher. But I guess I have luck causing bugs making other activities to stack up or how I should mention it since I have to back up through several apps.
Mar 13 21:06:33 <Zooklubba> Anyway, shouldn't probably waste more of your time. But shout out if you want me to try something out
Mar 13 21:08:09 <g00s> i'm curious if anyone here uses their build system to generate PNGs from SVGs. i'm doing that with a python script, but wonder what other things people have cooked up. i need to add a 'clean' target so that I can rm the generated stuff in the res/ tree and not check that in
Mar 13 21:09:02 <g00s> the generated pngs are mixed with other pngs that aren't always generated, so i can't just gitignore res/drawable/*dpi*
Mar 13 21:09:57 <g00s> i wonder if the google designers use some sort of build system to convert the photoshop stuff to assets for each project
Mar 13 21:10:49 <mrenouf|work> you dont generate all the densities from the same SVGs right?
Mar 13 21:11:06 <g00s> i generate all densities, but not for all assets
Mar 13 21:11:28 <mrenouf|work> I mean, things dont always scale quite the right way. in the smaller sizes you might want to reduce the icon complexity or or scale certain parts of the image differently
Mar 13 21:11:52 <g00s> i avoid situations in my artwork where rasterization doesn't work well in an automated way
Mar 13 21:11:59 <mrenouf|work> The Android blog on entry SVG discussed this well.
Mar 13 21:12:10 <g00s> i think i disagreed with that blog ;)
Mar 13 21:12:10 <Zooklubba> the pictures with the printer icons?
Mar 13 21:13:57 <iivvoo> *^(&)&( freenode policies
Mar 13 21:13:59 <iivvoo> anyway
Mar 13 21:14:01 <iivvoo> I'm trying to make a part of a bitmap transparent
Mar 13 21:14:14 <iivvoo> eg punch a hole so you see the background through it
Mar 13 21:14:33 <iivvoo> but all my attempts are *on top* of the bitmap so you see the bitmap through the hole
Mar 13 21:14:35 <romainguy> draw onto the bitmap using the CLEAR xfermode
Mar 13 21:14:41 <iivvoo> ah
Mar 13 21:14:43 <iivvoo> interesting
Mar 13 21:15:17 <g00s> mrenouf|away: did you mean this http://www.pushing-pixels.org/2011/11/04/about-those-vector-icons.html
Mar 13 21:18:14 <g00s> mrenouf|work: oops, highlighted wrong nick
Mar 13 21:18:45 <mrenouf|work> yeah, thats the one
Mar 13 21:18:51 <mrenouf|work> Kiril's blog, right?
Mar 13 21:19:04 <tttuuu> Does anyone know why starting a Camera Intent in an app would crash in the app's  camera onActivityResult(int requestCode, int resultCode, Intent data) due to Failure delivering result ResultInfo{who=null, request=111, result=-1, data=null} to activity  ... java.lang.NullPointerException
Mar 13 21:19:04 <tttuuu> E/AndroidRuntime( 2851):        at android.app.ActivityThread.performResumeActivity(ActivityThread.java:2124)  EVEN THOUGH I'm not using Intent data at all?
Mar 13 21:19:26 <g00s> mrenouf|work: lots of good points in there, but i disagree with the conclusion : So no, SVG is definitely not the answer. At least not today.
Mar 13 21:19:32 <evancharlton> tttuuu: post your stack trace on pastebin.com
Mar 13 21:19:34 <mrenouf|work> I was firmly in the "why the hell not SVG", until I read that
Mar 13 21:19:50 <mrenouf|work> but SVG with level-of-detail extensions would be great
Mar 13 21:20:07 <mrenouf|work> they could be scaled, rasterized and cached long-term automatically
Mar 13 21:20:20 <mrenouf|work> that said, doing it at build time is also nice
Mar 13 21:20:24 <g00s> anyhow, looks like the wp7 idea of relying heavily on typography and shapes lends itself well to resizing UIs
Mar 13 21:20:34 <g00s> probably will allow windows phone apps to run on windows :)
Mar 13 21:20:41 <tttuuu> http://pastebin.com/32081BEr
Mar 13 21:21:45 <evancharlton> tttuuu: StatusActivity.onActivityResult(StatusActivity.java:474) <-- what is line 474?
Mar 13 21:21:54 <evancharlton> I suspect that will answer your question
Mar 13 21:22:06 * g00s looks at http://uncod.in/blog/android-svg-asset-generator/
Mar 13 21:23:50 <mrenouf|work> API level: 7-16+   o_O ?
Mar 13 21:24:07 <mrenouf|work> In publisher site
Mar 13 21:25:43 <gnagno> is it possible to define the slidingdrawer programmatically?
Mar 13 21:25:52 <elathan> I have downloaded Android from http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html. Is it possible to build just an individual package without building the whole thing?
Mar 13 21:26:33 <tttuuu> evancharlton: thanks!
Mar 13 21:26:40 <tttuuu> I know what the problem is now
Mar 13 21:26:52 <evancharlton> always read your error messages ;)
Mar 13 21:31:08 <Afzal> is there a way to determine which resources aren't being used?
Mar 13 21:31:12 <Zooklubba> The anxiety for March 27th begins
Mar 13 21:31:26 <g00s> Afzal: the lint tool works well
Mar 13 21:31:41 <Afzal> g00s, alright let's see
Mar 13 21:32:36 <Zooklubba> canadiancow, you an I/On?
Mar 13 21:32:56 <H_Miki> Hi! I have a problem.
Mar 13 21:33:06 <JoeTheGuest> You guys seen this? https://github.com/DDRBoxman/Android-SVG-Asset-Generator
Mar 13 21:33:07 <H_Miki> Sorry, my english is bad :(
Mar 13 21:33:14 <JoeTheGuest> H_Miki ask away.
Mar 13 21:33:31 <t0mless> JoeTheGuest I think g00s just posted that
Mar 13 21:33:40 <JoeTheGuest> Oh he did.
Mar 13 21:33:44 <JoeTheGuest> Nice.
Mar 13 21:34:03 <g00s> its a really simple python script also; mine is almost the same
Mar 13 21:34:14 <JoeTheGuest> I was looking around github and found that.
Mar 13 21:34:32 <H_Miki> I get an error message
Mar 13 21:34:36 <Afzal> g00s, it doesn't tell you which file the unused thing is in :/
Mar 13 21:34:48 <Afzal> and it's even listing all the unused stuff in ABS
Mar 13 21:35:01 <H_Miki>  /home/miki/NetBeansProjects/com.Proba/src/com/proba/MainActivity.java:25: error: ')' expected
Mar 13 21:35:20 <evancharlton> H_Miki: and you can't figure that out?
Mar 13 21:35:24 <SimonVT> Afzal: http://code.google.com/p/android-unused-resources/
Mar 13 21:35:26 <t0mless> looks like you're missing a ) somewhere...
Mar 13 21:35:46 <Afzal> oh sweet SimonVT ! Thakns!
Mar 13 21:35:49 <Afzal> thanks*
Mar 13 21:35:52 <H_Miki> This is 25. line: MediaPlayer mp = MediaPlayer.create(this, R.raw.01);
Mar 13 21:37:31 <t0mless> look before that line too H_Miki
Mar 13 21:37:39 <t0mless> there must be an unmatched ( somewhere
Mar 13 21:39:09 <DarsVaeda> hi, I use SQLiteDatabase.openOrCreateDatabase to create a database on the file system in an avd (in eclipse on debian) but I can not find the file, I suppose it is "hidden" in the userdata.img?
Mar 13 21:39:51 <JoeTheGuest> H_Miki might be easier using eclipse.
Mar 13 21:40:36 <bankai_> DarsVaeda: it's created somewhere in /data/data/com.example...
Mar 13 21:40:53 <DarsVaeda> there is no folder like this
Mar 13 21:41:09 <H_Miki> I use Netbeans
Mar 13 21:41:28 <H_Miki> Eclipse very bad
Mar 13 21:42:07 <lov> ...
Mar 13 21:42:10 <lov> Hey H_Miki
Mar 13 21:42:13 <lov> you might want to go to #java
Mar 13 21:42:17 <lov> this is a beginner level #java question
Mar 13 21:42:39 <JoeTheGuest> He will get shunned out of there lol.
Mar 13 21:42:54 <JoeTheGuest> ##java is the worst with new questions.
Mar 13 21:43:05 <lov> then perhaps he will pick up a book and go away ._.
Mar 13 21:43:31 <DarsVaeda> so either my db is not created on the file system or it is in the userdata.img file...but how do I know?
Mar 13 21:45:06 <tapas> hmm, so weird.. i get a illegalStateException on onBackPressed when a TabHost is about to finish()
Mar 13 21:45:35 <H_Miki> I no get error message, if I comment this line.
Mar 13 21:45:41 <JoeTheGuest> g00s is yours on github?
Mar 13 21:45:48 <g00s> no
Mar 13 21:45:52 <g00s> its kinda one-off
Mar 13 21:46:13 <tapas> but it's Activity.onBackPressed, so it doesn't tell me too much
Mar 13 21:46:38 <tapas> only that it happened after onSaveInstanceState
Mar 13 21:46:39 <tapas> hmm
Mar 13 21:47:09 <tapas> i sprinkled amounts of log statements into all the different onBackPressed methods, etc.. none gets called
Mar 13 21:47:26 * g00s loves sprinkling logs
Mar 13 21:47:36 <g00s> kinda like sprinkling bacon bits here and there
Mar 13 21:47:36 <PeteS> does anyone know how to use a custom theme with AlertDialog.Builder (Android 2.34)? Interweb says to use a ContextThemeWrapper in the constructor, but that doesn't work. Should I just give up and make my own Dialog? :-/
Mar 13 21:47:43 <bankai_> DarsVaeda: http://www.vogella.de/articles/AndroidSQLite/article.html#sqlite_commnandline
Mar 13 21:48:27 <bankai_> DarsVaeda: userdata.img sounds like a read only copy of something that's extract to /data or something for whatever reason ( recovery? )
Mar 13 21:48:42 <tapas> but it only happens if the ActivityGroup shown created at least one child
Mar 13 21:49:08 <DarsVaeda> I guess the avd saves all the /data in the userdata.img file
Mar 13 21:50:05 <DarsVaeda> I need the file to access it with SQLiteDatabase Browser...don't want to input all the data via shell
Mar 13 21:53:00 <t0mless> DarsVaeda nothing is saved in the .img file
Mar 13 21:53:13 <t0mless> its in /data/data/your.package.name/databases
Mar 13 21:53:22 <DarsVaeda> nope
Mar 13 21:53:33 <t0mless> you need root to see the file
Mar 13 21:53:41 <DarsVaeda> or at least if you follow what some guy on stackoverflow
Mar 13 21:53:50 <DarsVaeda> and that sounds credible
Mar 13 21:54:15 <DarsVaeda> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510840/where-does-android-emulator-store-sqlite-database
Mar 13 21:54:21 <t0mless> if your using the SQLiteOpenHelper, that folder is where it's saved
Mar 13 21:54:50 <t0mless> to get it onto your local machine you just pull it from the emu
Mar 13 21:54:54 <t0mless> adb pull
Mar 13 21:55:35 <bankai_> why are you wanting to do this? it is possible to deploy an application with a pre-populated sqlite db ...
Mar 13 21:55:52 <t0mless> Possible yes... but not advisable
Mar 13 21:56:14 <DarsVaeda> not if you develop an application with a pre-populated database
Mar 13 21:57:01 <t0mless> DarsVaeda that guy said the exact same thing I am saying, it is stored in /data/data/your.package.name/databases on the emulator
Mar 13 21:57:28 <t0mless> but you were referring to your host machine file system, which yes, the emulator disk image is stored in a .img file
Mar 13 21:57:37 <t0mless> but if you want to manipulate it, you should use adb
Mar 13 21:57:55 <DarsVaeda> that information was what I was looking for ;)
Mar 13 21:58:19 <t0mless> but even manipulating it, and pushing it back onto the device
Mar 13 21:58:26 <t0mless> is not going to change the db for other devices
Mar 13 21:58:52 <DarsVaeda> I only need that one device
Mar 13 21:58:59 <t0mless> you should use an SQLiteOpenHelper to create and manage your db
Mar 13 21:59:18 <Gumboot> So someone dropped the phrase 'google media filter framework' on me, and told me to go research it, but I'm not sure if it's something I should be able to find or not.
Mar 13 21:59:44 <ctate> t0mless: i used to oppose prepack SQL but i'm less hostile to it now
Mar 13 21:59:58 <tapas> ah, it might be a memory problem
Mar 13 22:00:01 <ctate> there was that unfortunate device that shipped with an incompatible SQLite implementation, alas
Mar 13 22:00:03 <ctate> from HTC
Mar 13 22:00:13 <ctate> but they've backed off on that, iirc
Mar 13 22:00:43 <g00s> i really agree with this http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/01/listen-up-google-heres-what-windows-8-can-teach-you-about-tablets/
Mar 13 22:01:00 <g00s> i'm not a ms fan, and i have no idea how metro will fare, but i agree with the premise
Mar 13 22:01:34 <g00s> i bet in time even iPads will be more desktop like as iOS and OS X converge
Mar 13 22:01:52 <canadiancow> Meanwhile, Apple figured out early on that the iPad had to offer something beyond the iPhone’s experience to entice consumers. Even though the iPad is running iOS, the same mobile operating system as the iPhone, Apple has pushed developers to create tablet-specific apps, and the iPad sports gestures and features that the iPhone still lacks.
Mar 13 22:02:00 <SimonVT> omg fragmentation with all those different screen sizes and whatnot
Mar 13 22:02:06 <canadiancow> um
Mar 13 22:02:06 <bankai_> i'm wondering if MS can pull it off with their first 'real' attempt at tablets ... i'm leaning towards 'no'
Mar 13 22:02:20 <g00s> bankai_: it would not be their first
Mar 13 22:02:24 <g00s> courier :)
Mar 13 22:02:24 <canadiancow> so because google brings tablet features to phones, thats bad?
Mar 13 22:02:38 <bankai_> courier was a 'concept' ( mighty fine one too )
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 22:04:38 2012
Mar 13 22:05:06 <g00s> if writing a windows tablet app is pretty much like writing a windows desktop app, thats probably pretty huge
Mar 13 22:05:14 <g00s> for productivity
Mar 13 22:05:33 <g00s> even if you want to share a codebase with iPad and OS X app, its still pretty tricky
Mar 13 22:06:14 <mrenouf|work> "This application is available to over 1164 devices."
Mar 13 22:06:19 <mrenouf|work> Fragmentation, my ass!
Mar 13 22:06:23 <g00s> \o/
Mar 13 22:06:34 <g00s> wait, wasn't that good ?
Mar 13 22:06:41 <mrenouf|work> yes, good
Mar 13 22:06:50 <mrenouf|work> one app, 1100+ devices
Mar 13 22:06:54 <mrenouf|work> not that hard
Mar 13 22:06:57 <mrenouf|work> :-)
Mar 13 22:07:29 <g00s> thats what my app originally said, but i'm adding stuff to the exclusion list because of bt issues, like the HTC Thunderbolt
Mar 13 22:07:32 <tttuuu> Is it possible to start a camera MediaStore.ACTION_IMAGE_CAPTURE intent as part of my app, i.e. the camera takes up half the screen of my app when it starts?
Mar 13 22:07:50 <mrenouf|work> g00s, thats an awesome feature, manual exclusions
Mar 13 22:11:38 <tttuuu> easier question: Is it possible to have the camera showing up in half the screen of my app?
Mar 13 22:17:26 <cr5315> I finally got ActionBar Sherlock 4.0 working, but now I can't get it working in my app
Mar 13 22:17:40 <cr5315> Has the getSupportActionBar changed?
Mar 13 22:17:50 <Stiffer> I can't seem to get it to open in eclispe
Mar 13 22:17:55 <Stiffer> everytime I try import
Mar 13 22:18:07 <g00s> looks like the 2e came out, wasn't a terrible book http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920023005.do
Mar 13 22:18:18 <cr5315> Make a new project and use the library as the source Stiffer
Mar 13 22:18:23 * g00s would like to see Reto's 2e which is coming out soon
Mar 13 22:18:47 <Stiffer> k let me try
Mar 13 22:18:52 <g00s> a press Beginning Android / Pro Android sucked balls
Mar 13 22:18:55 <bankai_> tttuuu: i guess you could stick it in a fragment if you wanted to do that ...
Mar 13 22:19:39 <SimonVT> cr5315: No, it's still getSupportActionBar
Mar 13 22:20:01 <cr5315> I found it, I was trying to import FragmetActivity but it's SherlockFragmentActivity now
Mar 13 22:20:11 <tttuuu> bankai: So if my app is Frament A and the camera is Fragment B, can the Fragments talk to each other?
Mar 13 22:20:12 <cr5315> s/import/extend
Mar 13 22:20:59 <bankai_> tttuuu: depends what you're wanting to achieve really ;)
Mar 13 22:22:51 <tttuuu> bankai_: are there things similar to fragments for Anrdoid 2.X.X?
Mar 13 22:23:16 <pfn> tttuuu, android-support backports fragments to <3.0
Mar 13 22:25:15 <canadiancow> back to 1.6
Mar 13 22:25:17 <canadiancow> lol
Mar 13 22:25:28 <canadiancow> although i guess a yaer ago when they did it, 1.6 had more market
Mar 13 22:28:33 <Ge0rG> I wonder what percentage of open-source android apps is adopting the current design guidelines... most apps I see still look like 1.5
Mar 13 22:28:54 <Ge0rG> (seriesguide is a notable exception)
Mar 13 22:28:59 <mikedg> 0
Mar 13 22:29:08 <Zooklubba> I wonder how many early reg tickets vs regular tickets the 27th
Mar 13 22:29:11 <SimonVT> It's sad really
Mar 13 22:29:20 <mikedg> its still better than a lot of commercial
Mar 13 22:29:26 <mikedg> Zooklubba: what makes you think there is early reg
Mar 13 22:29:42 <Zooklubba> twitter from ions
Mar 13 22:30:14 <canadiancow> i think google needs to stop feature apps that dont adhere to the design guidelines
Mar 13 22:30:17 <canadiancow> and be VERY strict about it
Mar 13 22:30:32 <canadiancow> in the sense that "oh but it has to look like the ios version" isnt an excuse
Mar 13 22:30:43 <evancharlton> Ge0rG: I think most open-source apps, on any platform, look like crap
Mar 13 22:30:44 <canadiancow> not so anal that "you shouldn't say SORRY in your dialogs" would prevent it
Mar 13 22:30:45 <mikedg> interesting i havent seen any
Mar 13 22:30:48 <evancharlton> including my own
Mar 13 22:30:54 <Ge0rG> evancharlton: well said.
Mar 13 22:31:07 <canadiancow> Zooklubba: early reg?
Mar 13 22:31:29 * Ge0rG got a patch-set for his jabber client to actually look like 4.x
Mar 13 22:31:30 <pfn> Ge0rG, it's hard to do the new design guidelines unless you're on 3.0+
Mar 13 22:31:39 <pfn> Ge0rG, abs is the only way to do it otherwise...
Mar 13 22:31:46 <Zooklubba> canadiancow, I/ONs and GTUG manager has reg today
Mar 13 22:31:55 <pfn> what are I/ONs?
Mar 13 22:31:57 <Ge0rG> pfn: yeah. still, many apps don't even adhere to the 2.x guidelines
Mar 13 22:31:59 <canadiancow> how the heck do you become an ion
Mar 13 22:32:10 <Zooklubba> attendees of all previous I/Os
Mar 13 22:32:19 <canadiancow> but at some point that becomes infeasible
Mar 13 22:32:22 <mikedg> i attended 3 prior i/os
Mar 13 22:32:25 <pfn> Zooklubba, none of the previous attendees have heard anything
Mar 13 22:32:28 <mikedg> and i have no gotten early reg
Mar 13 22:32:29 <canadiancow> i was a wee young student when io started
Mar 13 22:32:29 <pfn> I attended io2011...
Mar 13 22:32:34 <canadiancow> i attended 2010 and 2011
Mar 13 22:32:41 <mikedg> i got early reg last year
Mar 13 22:32:48 <pfn> Ge0rG, there were guidelines for 2.x?  didn't even know, heh
Mar 13 22:32:50 <canadiancow> i didnt :(
Mar 13 22:32:50 * Ge0rG only attended droidcon in germany. :(
Mar 13 22:32:53 <pfn> I guess there were some icon guidelines
Mar 13 22:32:58 <Zooklubba> https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/googleio
Mar 13 22:33:01 <Ge0rG> pfn: yeah, for the statusbar and stuff
Mar 13 22:33:06 <canadiancow> i hope the new higher price gets rid of the fucks
Mar 13 22:33:21 <pfn> $900 is still enough to turn a profit if they're selling all the toys
Mar 13 22:33:31 <canadiancow> i know
Mar 13 22:33:32 <canadiancow> but it's HIGHER
Mar 13 22:33:37 <canadiancow> and it depends on the toys
Mar 13 22:33:40 <canadiancow> last year, sure
Mar 13 22:33:51 <canadiancow> if you went to the right sessions, you could have gone home with $2k
Mar 13 22:34:01 <pfn> adk, xperia play
Mar 13 22:34:07 <pfn> were the only "optional" pieces, I think
Mar 13 22:34:09 <canadiancow> chromebook hotspot tab
Mar 13 22:34:10 <canadiancow> yea
Mar 13 22:34:10 <mikedg> i gotta go, messenger me if any news
Mar 13 22:34:12 <canadiancow> but adk was $400
Mar 13 22:34:18 <pfn> I got the adk, but didn't go to the session
Mar 13 22:34:18 <canadiancow> play was...$5ish?
Mar 13 22:34:21 <pfn> and I got the xperia play
Mar 13 22:34:26 <pfn> but I sold it when I got the GN
Mar 13 22:34:30 <pfn> since I hated it since I got i
Mar 13 22:34:35 <pfn> t
Mar 13 22:34:36 <g00s> i would not be surprised if they hand out those asus nexus tabs
Mar 13 22:34:48 <g00s> timing seems about right
Mar 13 22:34:58 <pfn> to get the adk, you just had to tell the guy at the labyrinth machine demo that youw anted one
Mar 13 22:35:00 <canadiancow> im expecting some google tv
Mar 13 22:35:01 <pfn> and they'd give yo a voucher
Mar 13 22:35:10 <canadiancow> heh lol
Mar 13 22:35:16 <pfn> I saw some other guy ask
Mar 13 22:35:17 <canadiancow> i went to the session because i was interested
Mar 13 22:35:18 <pfn> then I asked for one
Mar 13 22:35:20 <pfn> and he gave me one
Mar 13 22:35:31 <pfn> I was totally lost on day1, didn't really get into any good sessions
Mar 13 22:35:43 <pfn> I went to the c++ session because all the kiddies went to the googletv session and it was packed
Mar 13 22:36:31 <g00s> pfn: version control-wise, do you keep ant.properties, local.properties, and project.properties in vc ?
Mar 13 22:36:43 <pfn> g00s, only ant. and project., local. never
Mar 13 22:36:49 <g00s> k, thx
Mar 13 22:36:56 <pfn> local. is for sdk path, and passwords
Mar 13 22:37:03 <t0mless> Indeed
Mar 13 22:37:05 <t0mless> and keystore path
Mar 13 22:37:17 <pfn> right
Mar 13 22:37:23 <g00s> oh, i have passwords in ant.properties for the  keystone stuff
Mar 13 22:37:26 <g00s> *keystore
Mar 13 22:37:33 <pfn> yeah, should go in local
Mar 13 22:37:40 <g00s> that make more sense
Mar 13 22:38:01 <canadiancow> who do i have to email to be recognized as a valued partner
Mar 13 22:38:02 <canadiancow> and get early reg
Mar 13 22:39:05 <n20> Moooo, it's the canadian cow (tm)!
Mar 13 22:39:39 * pfn needs more users of his sbt plugin
Mar 13 22:39:51 <n20> pfn: SBT?
Mar 13 22:39:51 <t0mless> sbt?
Mar 13 22:39:57 <pfn> build tool
Mar 13 22:40:13 <n20> pfn: Is it any good?
Mar 13 22:40:25 <pfn> n20, works well for me
Mar 13 22:40:41 <n20> pfn: I just need to reboot, but I'll be back with a quesiton or two!
Mar 13 22:41:42 <SimonVT> Tss, pfn and his strange languages and tools
Mar 13 22:43:22 <pfn> SimonVT, try it, it's rather pleasant compared to ant
Mar 13 22:43:44 <Daniel_g> some one here is familiar with ksoap2?
Mar 13 22:45:56 <SimonVT> Guess that depends on what you're doing, pfn
Mar 13 22:46:04 <pfn> SimonVT, even for java projects
Mar 13 22:46:11 <n20> pfn: Aahhh, back in GUi.
Mar 13 22:46:29 <SimonVT> For Android, no setup is needed
Mar 13 22:46:33 <SimonVT> It's as simple as "ant release"
Mar 13 22:46:41 <pfn> presuming you have ant
Mar 13 22:46:46 <n20> SimonVT: What are we talking about? :D
Mar 13 22:46:47 <SimonVT> Sure
Mar 13 22:46:55 <SimonVT> I also presume you have the sdk installed
Mar 13 22:47:07 <pfn> sdk doesn't come with ant, but that's not the argument anyway
Mar 13 22:47:18 <ChronosA> I am updating an old Android Project in Eclipse and have changed the name of the drawable folder (split into drawable-hdpi etc) how do make them link now?
Mar 13 22:47:22 <pfn> SimonVT, no setup required for this either, other than installing the plugin and sbt
Mar 13 22:47:32 <t0mless> link?
Mar 13 22:47:46 <t0mless> what you mean link?
Mar 13 22:48:01 <ChronosA> t0mless: currently it says the resources cannot be found
Mar 13 22:48:07 <SimonVT> So in the majority of cases there's absolutely no difference between using ant and your sbt stuff
Mar 13 22:48:21 <t0mless> clean your project
Mar 13 22:48:34 <pfn> SimonVT, mostly, other than having a repl and being able to have triggered builds
Mar 13 22:49:29 <g00s> hm, the docs say put the key stuff in ant.properties, so just the passwords go in local.properties ?
Mar 13 22:49:35 <pfn> i.e. compile(or package)-as-you-save
Mar 13 22:49:42 <pfn> g00s, stuff that you don't want checked in goes into local.properties
Mar 13 22:49:55 <t0mless> I guess if you check the keystore in...
Mar 13 22:49:55 <pfn> everything required to make your project build should go into ant. or project.properties
Mar 13 22:50:02 <ChronosA> t0mless: still says cannot find resource : /
Mar 13 22:50:23 <t0mless> what's the error say specifically?
Mar 13 22:50:29 <pfn> n20, anyway, if you're interested in a better alternative to ant, but don't really want to use maven, you can try out sbt
Mar 13 22:51:47 <pfn> t0mless, and of course, checking the keystore in is a terrible practice
Mar 13 22:52:05 <t0mless> Indeed
Mar 13 22:52:22 <ChronosA> t0mless: Description	Resource	Path	Location	Type
Mar 13 22:52:22 <ChronosA> error: Error: No resource found that matches the given name (at 'icon' with value '@drawable/icon_64').	AndroidManifest.xml	line 9	Android AAPT Problem
Mar 13 22:52:56 <pfn> and you have res/drawable-hdpi/icon_64.png ?
Mar 13 22:53:07 <ChronosA> yep
Mar 13 22:53:16 <ctate> and you're running on what device?
Mar 13 22:53:26 <pfn> ctate, that's from eclipse
Mar 13 22:53:31 <pfn> ctate, running aapt
Mar 13 22:53:36 <ChronosA> i added it to all just in case (hdpi,ldpi,mdpi)
Mar 13 22:53:38 <ctate> oh, build time problem, got it
Mar 13 22:53:49 <n20> pfn: I've actually had Maven recommended to me. :)
Mar 13 22:53:52 <canadiancow> clean and refresh
Mar 13 22:54:01 <pfn> n20, maven is a similar-ish tool
Mar 13 22:54:03 <n20> ctate: Hello world!
Mar 13 22:54:21 <pfn> n20, https://github.com/pfn/android-sdk-plugin <-- try it out if interested
Mar 13 22:54:28 <n20> pfn: I'm not 100% what Maven is... the description was a bit though for my grasshopper-ish brain.
Mar 13 22:54:32 <ChronosA> fuck it ill just recreate the project
Mar 13 22:54:55 <cr5315> Anyone know why my getSupportActionBar() ins't working?
Mar 13 22:54:56 <pfn> n20, it's a build/project management application
Mar 13 22:55:13 <cr5315> Everything is how it should be, but it errors
Mar 13 22:55:16 <pfn> n20, builds your project in addition to handling dependencies and packaging/publishing
Mar 13 22:55:26 <n20> Alos, while cr5315 is on the subject - is the ActionBar compatibility as glitched?
Mar 13 22:55:41 <pfn> cr5315, you extend sherlockactivity?
Mar 13 22:55:53 <cr5315> That's the problem
Mar 13 22:55:57 <cr5315> Thanks pfn
Mar 13 22:58:24 <n20> cr5315: SherlockActivity?! I feel old for not understanding. :(
Mar 13 22:58:34 <cr5315> ActionBarSherlock
Mar 13 22:58:37 <pfn> n20, try out my plugin, then understand  :p
Mar 13 22:58:46 <pfn> rather, start one step at a time  ;-)
Mar 13 22:58:47 <cr5315> Lets you use an action bar on non honeycomb/ics
Mar 13 23:01:40 <canadiancow> ABS is teh awesome
Mar 13 23:01:41 <canadiancow> right JakeWharton?
Mar 13 23:02:09 <QubeZ> I need to use ABS... been putting it off for too long
Mar 13 23:02:48 <cr5315> I'm probably going to use abs in most of my future apps
Mar 13 23:05:49 <g00s> its cool abs exists for people who want it, but i posit its existence is evidence of google's gross mismanagement of their platform
Mar 13 23:06:03 * g00s puts on flameproof suit
Mar 13 23:07:26 <pfn> I don't agree
Mar 13 23:07:38 <SimonVT> Tss, g00s just likes to complain
Mar 13 23:07:44 <pfn> things like abs just provide further incentive for manufacturers to not bother upating their devices
Mar 13 23:08:01 <pfn> "oh, those crazy developers will use actionbarsherlock to make apps look good on our crappy phones, who cares"
Mar 13 23:08:22 <g00s> SimonVT: you abs lover you
Mar 13 23:08:27 <g00s> :)
Mar 13 23:08:30 <SimonVT> =)
Mar 13 23:11:40 <g00s> wonder if this is any good http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=013292904X
Mar 13 23:12:03 <g00s> i'm more interested in tips & tricks for building custom controls / layouts
Mar 13 23:12:29 <g00s> hm, this seems to basic
Mar 13 23:12:32 <g00s> *too
Mar 13 23:15:28 <Stiffer`> any projection for when nfc becomes mainstream?
Mar 13 23:15:55 <g00s> Stiffer`: just a little longer than whatever time you hope for ;)
Mar 13 23:16:12 <mikey|> when the iphone gets it probably
Mar 13 23:19:15 <thegrinch1> Hello, has somebody had issues with the gesturedetector onScroll event with multitouch? The problem: I drag one finger, scrolling is good.I add another finger then remove the first finger and bash....the image jump as if the finger I removed had jumped to the remaining one.If I put the finger bacj,the image jump back...
Mar 13 23:19:17 <n20> cr5315: Is it impossible otherwise? :(
Mar 13 23:20:38 <jeebs> Is it appropiate to ask about AndEngine here?
Mar 13 23:21:03 <evancharlton> depends on the question
Mar 13 23:21:53 <jeebs> Very basic. I just working on the examples, however I don't know where the root folder is for the images. The examples use "gfx/img.png"
Mar 13 23:22:05 <jeebs> I've tried putting a gfx int he root, assets and res, none work
Mar 13 23:22:20 <jeebs> I cannot find any documentation on it either.
Mar 13 23:22:50 <Duke_Puke> I have now sucefully returned the right contact from the database. If I now should display this contact is getting and showing a v-card easy or should i programm a listview to show the different things from the cursor
Mar 13 23:23:07 <mikey|> does anyone have any links to a way to put something on top of your activity which shows hints?
Mar 13 23:23:17 <mikey|> like ICS does on start
Mar 13 23:23:20 <jeebs> mikey: Do you mean Toast?
Mar 13 23:23:41 <jeebs> Or Dialogs?
Mar 13 23:23:51 <t0mless> those are likely just styled popup windows
Mar 13 23:23:59 <mikey|> well, im not sure what ics uses
Mar 13 23:24:07 <mikey|> i've seen it in go launcher ex as well
Mar 13 23:24:19 <jeebs> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/notifiers/toasts.html
Mar 13 23:24:53 <mikey|> i know how to use toast but i think the things being show are most advanced/complex then that
Mar 13 23:25:09 <ctate> the things in Launcher are not toasts
Mar 13 23:26:28 <evancharlton> aren't they PopupWindows?
Mar 13 23:26:35 <evancharlton> or just custom views
Mar 13 23:27:04 <pfn> the clear overlay things
Mar 13 23:28:10 <SimonVT> Could be any viewgroup in a framelayout.. Just have to capture touch events
Mar 13 23:28:31 <ctate> if you're reading the Launcher2 sources, it calls them Clings
Mar 13 23:28:43 <yurakeshi> Hi, I'm to download a JPG file with HttpURLConnection and then decode it to a Bitmap using BitmapFactory. I got it to work, but the problem is: it work only when debugging, and only if I put some break points. When it doens't work, it doen't throw any exceptions. Any ideas please?
Mar 13 23:28:44 * ctate | public class Cling extends FrameLayout {
Mar 13 23:28:45 <Amphoras> wish I lived near the Moscone center
Mar 13 23:29:04 <pfn> ah, yeah, that's the thing, the uss enterprise flying around uranus looking for klingons
Mar 13 23:29:09 <t0mless> Then you'd have to live in SOMA...
Mar 13 23:29:25 <pfn> moscone seems kinda boring
Mar 13 23:29:37 * t0mless shrugs
Mar 13 23:29:43 <t0mless> seems like a nice conference center
Mar 13 23:29:57 <ctate> and see e.g. ./res/layout-land/workspace_cling.xml
Mar 13 23:29:58 <t0mless> only been inside it once
Mar 13 23:31:16 <mikey|> thanks ctate
Mar 13 23:31:21 <ctate> the Clings are views shown on top of the normal layout
Mar 13 23:31:28 <ctate> with visibility toggling at runtime etc.
Mar 13 23:31:38 <ctate> platform source code FTW
Mar 13 23:32:05 <mikey|> will look into it tomorrow, gonna get some zzzzz, woke up so late today, didnt get to do anything i wanted :/
Mar 13 23:32:06 <g00s> pfn, so passwords were in local.properties, what about key.alias and key.store? i had those in ant.properties. i'm probably fretting over nothing.
Mar 13 23:32:25 <pfn> g00s, doesn't matter that they're in ant.properties, but it's a local configuration that should go in local.properties
Mar 13 23:32:34 <g00s> k, thx
Mar 13 23:32:38 <pfn> g00s, i.e. you aren't leaking any info by having them in there
Mar 13 23:32:44 <pfn> unless password = alias or something
Mar 13 23:35:36 <MDijkstra> pXp
Mar 13 23:38:36 <g00s> hmm, put release key under version control ?
Mar 13 23:38:56 <g00s> just to keep it with everything, not that it would change of course :P
Mar 13 23:39:27 <pfn> never check in your signing keys
Mar 13 23:39:32 <pfn> use another key management system to protect it
Mar 13 23:39:42 <g00s> :O
Mar 13 23:39:43 <pfn> i.e. keep a copy on a usb stick/ssd/whatever and put it in a safety deposit box
Mar 13 23:39:54 <pfn> use the osx keychain, keep it backed up, etc.
Mar 13 23:40:17 <pfn> but signing keys are pretty vitally important
Mar 13 23:40:25 <SimonVT> I can keep it safe for you. I'll also need the login to your publisher console
Mar 13 23:40:39 <g00s> SimonVT: you would add ABS to my app
Mar 13 23:40:41 <g00s> XD
Mar 13 23:40:52 <SimonVT> It would be nothing but an actionbar
Mar 13 23:40:58 <g00s> haha
Mar 13 23:47:28 <AHemlocksLie> I'm looking to start developing for Android. I've got some experience with Java, but I'm currently refreshing my memory a little bit. What resources are good for the Android-specific aspects of development?
Mar 13 23:48:26 <pfn> d.android.com
Mar 13 23:48:58 <bankai_> aww look it's even in the topic :)
Mar 13 23:50:13 <AHemlocksLie> I wasn't sure if there were any resources considered better for beginners than the resources or not
Mar 13 23:50:17 <AHemlocksLie> but hey, thanks for being a twat about it ;D
Mar 13 23:52:10 <readme> AHemlocksLie: ask a dumb question, get a dumb answer.
Mar 13 23:52:15 <readme> welcome to irc
Mar 13 23:54:24 <readme> check out this ted talk, it's somewhat relevant. http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_keep_your_goals_to_yourself.html
Mar 13 23:54:24 <ahmedammar> AHemlocksLie: nothing better for learning than doing ...
Mar 13 23:54:49 <ahmedammar> AHemlocksLie: just write some code ... reading does little to help there
Mar 13 23:54:58 <pfn> that's not the least bit true
Mar 13 23:55:05 <pfn> I hate talks and videos
Mar 13 23:55:10 <pfn> give me a transcript that I can read, damnit
Mar 13 23:55:39 <readme> i'll summarize it: you are less likely to fulfill a goal if you tell others about it
Mar 13 23:55:53 <pfn> that's interesting
Mar 13 23:55:54 <AHemlocksLie> well, yes, the best way to learn is doing, but it helps a lot if you've got some good help to start
Mar 13 23:55:55 <readme> because the social validation you get from that satiates you
Mar 13 23:56:05 <readme> you want to earn that validation hard, by meeting the goal
Mar 13 23:56:09 <pfn> sounds a bit counterintuitive
Mar 13 23:56:10 <AHemlocksLie> and from my experience, the creator's resource tends to be exceedingly dry
Mar 13 23:56:17 <yurakeshi> Hi, I'm to download a JPG file with HttpURLConnection and then decode it to a Bitmap using BitmapFactory. It works, but not it's unstable. Sometime it loads, others it don't. The insputstream has always 2048 bytes, but the BitmapFactory sometimes decode right but sometimes don't. I tried with Drawable.createFromStream() but it's the same instability. What could it be please?
Mar 13 23:56:34 <yurakeshi> I'm trying to*
Mar 13 23:56:40 <readme> the more I think about this, the truer I realize it is.. how often is it someone on irc talks about a project they'll never do :)
Mar 13 23:56:43 <pfn> AHemlocksLie, they are the best resources
Mar 13 23:56:54 <pfn> AHemlocksLie, go through the dev guide, then you can read android training
Mar 13 23:56:55 <ahmedammar> readme: really? i find the opposite true, i tell people certain ideas to make them more concrete before i proceed, if they stay as ideas then it's much easier for me to just let them idle
Mar 13 23:57:04 <AHemlocksLie> pfn, okay, thank you
Mar 13 23:57:07 <pfn> AHemlocksLie, they are clearly written and go over the app development lifecycle a-z
Mar 13 23:57:35 <AHemlocksLie> I guess just open the dev guide tab at the top and go down the topic list on the sidebar?
Mar 13 23:57:36 <ahmedammar> readme: i'm talking more about life related things, not programming projects
Mar 13 23:58:03 <g00s> there was at least one study with hard data, that showed people learned to program more efficiently when they first studied good examples before going headfirst into things. problem is, a lot of the ApiDemos are actually poor examples of doing things
Mar 13 23:58:15 <readme> ahmedammar: I guess that's how statistics work, anyway
Mar 13 23:58:18 <g00s> s/people/comp sci students
Mar 13 23:58:30 <readme> ahmedammar: i'm sure you're telling people with a different motivation than most people
Mar 13 23:58:42 <ahmedammar> readme: possibly ...
Mar 13 23:59:36 <pfn> AHemlocksLie, that's right
Mar 13 23:59:57 <ahmedammar> g00s: yes examples are good but with android just get down to it (once you read up on the APIs)
Mar 14 00:00:00 <pfn> AHemlocksLie, just go top to bottom
Mar 14 00:00:12 <readme> AHemlocksLie: we are all very welcoming to specific questions
Mar 14 00:00:39 <AHemlocksLie> pfn, okay, thanks a lot
Mar 14 00:01:06 <pfn> AHemlocksLie, then you can walk through the android training and examples and tutorials and stuff on the resources tab
Mar 14 00:02:09 <readme> 19:58 < g00s> there was at least one study with hard data, that showed people learned to program more efficiently when  they first studied good examples before going headfirst into things. problem is, a lot of the ApiDemos  are actually poor examples of doing things
Mar 14 00:02:19 <readme> This is the idea.
Mar 14 00:02:34 <ahmedammar> AHemlocksLie: too bad you won't find anything about renderscript there
Mar 14 00:02:48 <pfn> for the most part, most people don't really care about renderscript, either
Mar 14 00:02:57 <readme> trying to write a program before you've understood the concepts with similar examples is like trying to bake a cake without any recipe and never having baked before
Mar 14 00:03:19 <AHemlocksLie> ahmedammar: maybe they've updated it since you've last seen it? There's a section on it under "Framework Topics"
Mar 14 00:03:28 <AHemlocksLie> it's got an "updated" mark next to it, too
Mar 14 00:03:51 <ahmedammar> indeed.
Mar 14 00:04:00 <ahmedammar> i stand corrected, well done google.
Mar 14 00:05:25 <ahmedammar> AHemlocksLie: if you ever wanted to create an app like the newest youtube one's home screen then you need renderscript
Mar 14 00:06:28 <paradoxxjm> Can some assist me with the following layout (http://pastebin.com/6e98j8j4). I'm trying to get a fragment to show below a tabhost in the layout, however no matter what attributes I give it, it doesn't show on the screen. I'm trying to troubleshoot with a text widget, but I can't get that to show up either. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Mar 14 00:07:05 <readme>            android:layout_height="fill_parent"
Mar 14 00:07:09 <readme> on your TabHost
Mar 14 00:07:13 <g00s> "Man suing Apple claims Siri isn’t awesome enough for him" <-- oh, the apple fans :D
Mar 14 00:07:16 <readme> isn't going to work if you want to see the fragment
Mar 14 00:07:16 <pfn> match_parent
Mar 14 00:07:45 <SimonVT> Haha g00s
Mar 14 00:07:51 <pfn> match_parent is what people should be using since api8 or so, isn't it
Mar 14 00:07:54 <readme> Siri would not make me a sandwich, wtfff
Mar 14 00:08:17 <paradoxxjm> kk. I'll try that
Mar 14 00:08:30 <g00s> "What is this thing you call a battery, isn't my iPhone powered by inspiration?"
Mar 14 00:08:41 <ctate> match_parent is the behavior formery known as fill_parent
Mar 14 00:08:48 <readme> where are you getting these gems from
Mar 14 00:09:14 <readme> paradoxxjm: set layout_height="0dp" and set layout_weight="1"
Mar 14 00:09:19 <g00s> readme: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/man-suing-apple-claims-siri-isn-t-awesome-183119245.html
Mar 14 00:09:29 <paradoxxjm> readme, for the tabhost?
Mar 14 00:09:31 <readme> yeah
Mar 14 00:09:39 <readme> then wrap_content on the fragment, or do the same to it
Mar 14 00:09:56 <readme> the tabhost will expand to fill up any available space after the fragment
Mar 14 00:10:07 <readme> that is, after the fragment takes up what it wants
Mar 14 00:10:13 <wabz> when are broadcast receivers specified in the manifest registered?
Mar 14 00:10:16 <readme> (it will be directionally above it)
Mar 14 00:11:22 <paradoxxjm> readme, If I use wrap_content, then I should exclude the weight?
Mar 14 00:11:53 <readme> paradoxxjm: yeah
Mar 14 00:11:58 <ctate> weights are used to distribute the *remaining* space after other measurement is committed.
Mar 14 00:12:10 <Afzal> Is there a way I could set RadioButton label fonts in a RadioGroup?
Mar 14 00:12:51 <paradoxxjm> readme, ctate, kk. Got you.
Mar 14 00:13:14 <ctate> Afzal: why do you hate the UI guidelines?  :)
Mar 14 00:13:44 <Afzal> lol too much assumption there ctate, i'm working on the HoloEverywhere library :p
Mar 14 00:14:20 <ctate> i'm still kind of serious
Mar 14 00:14:30 <Afzal> I follow them religiously.
Mar 14 00:14:41 <ctate> on pre-Honeycomb devices that will just make the app look all weird and inconsistent with the actual platform look
Mar 14 00:14:56 <Afzal> Well yeah but it's a nice effort
Mar 14 00:15:02 <SimonVT> Everything looks weird and inconsistent pre-honeycomb :P
Mar 14 00:15:07 <g00s> haha
Mar 14 00:15:09 <Afzal> haha
Mar 14 00:15:11 <readme> because of carriers
Mar 14 00:15:36 <readme> the emulator looks beautiful :)
Mar 14 00:15:38 <wabz> are broadcast receivers specified in the manifest registered on app install, when the app is first run, on phone startup .. ? I can't find this in the docs
Mar 14 00:16:25 <ctate> a "registered" receiver is one that the app has explicitly registered at runtime, in code
Mar 14 00:16:32 <ctate> that is the way the terminology goes
Mar 14 00:16:34 <pfn> wabz, on first-run
Mar 14 00:16:38 <Afzal> actually...now that I think about it, changing the font on individual radiobuttons is better since someone might need to add a separate radiobutton
Mar 14 00:16:40 <Afzal> heh XD
Mar 14 00:16:43 <ctate> a recevier declared in the manifest is called a "manifest receiver"
Mar 14 00:16:56 <pfn> ctate, wrong question, I think
Mar 14 00:17:17 <ctate> as of recent versions of Android, manifest receivers are only invoked after the app has been launched explicitly by user action at least once.
Mar 14 00:17:22 <pfn> wabz, and I don't think it's documented, the behavior seemed to change without warning from 2.x to 3.0, I think
Mar 14 00:17:27 <pfn> or 2.2 to 2.3
Mar 14 00:17:29 <pfn> somewhere around there
Mar 14 00:17:33 <pfn> it used to be registered on-install
Mar 14 00:17:33 <wabz> yeah, that's why I figured it wasn't documented
Mar 14 00:17:37 <ctate> so an app can't stealth install and then run without the user having been made aware of it
Mar 14 00:17:56 <pfn> ctate, right, I just don't know exactly when it changed
Mar 14 00:18:00 <wabz> does that mean an app like plan b won't work properly unless it's been run once?
Mar 14 00:18:01 <Afzal> ctate, tbh ICS skinned apps don't look half as bad as the default widgets in pre-HC
Mar 14 00:18:05 <pfn> I know 3.0 it doesn't auto-register anymore
Mar 14 00:18:09 <pfn> wabz, yes
Mar 14 00:18:18 <ctate> pfn: i think 3.0 is when the behavior was tightened
Mar 14 00:18:21 <pfn> and in 2.0 and 2.1 it would auto-register
Mar 14 00:18:23 <ctate> wabz: correct
Mar 14 00:18:31 <wabz> what if the whole point of my app is to do something based on a system event - and doesn't even have a launcher activity?
Mar 14 00:18:36 <wabz> not possible?
Mar 14 00:18:41 <kakazza> @match_parent/fill_parent, other than losing compatibility with <API8, is there something else to it?
Mar 14 00:18:44 <pfn> wabz, have an info activity that must be opened from market
Mar 14 00:18:47 <ctate> you still need a launcher activity that explains the app and so on, yes.
Mar 14 00:18:51 <ctate> or something that can be opened from Market
Mar 14 00:18:55 <SimonVT> No, kakazza
Mar 14 00:18:57 <seanoshea> Anyone here have experience with ListViews which have EditTexts and the EditTexts losing focus every time the ListView is updated?
Mar 14 00:18:58 <SimonVT> Just better naming
Mar 14 00:18:59 <wabz> hmm okay - thanks
Mar 14 00:19:06 <ctate> but if you rely on Market then your app is basically invisible; people expect to be able to launch stuff from Launcher
Mar 14 00:19:26 <wabz> what about when the device is rebooted? Are manifest receivers 'registered' automatically?
Mar 14 00:19:31 <pfn> cluttering up the app drawer with stubs is annoying
Mar 14 00:19:33 <pfn> wabz, yes
Mar 14 00:19:46 <pfn> wabz, manifest receivers are activated in perpetuity once run at least once
Mar 14 00:19:49 <pfn> (3.0+)
Mar 14 00:19:55 <pfn> at-install for <3.0
Mar 14 00:19:57 <wabz> okay cool - thanks for the info
Mar 14 00:19:59 <seanoshea> Each of the rows in my ListView have EditTexts. If I focus on one of the EditTexts and my ListView's notifydataSetChanged method is called, the EditText loses focus
Mar 14 00:20:19 <SimonVT> That's why we have home screens, pfn :p For those apps we use often and want to get to without the clutter
Mar 14 00:20:32 <seanoshea> any ideas on how to maintain EditText focus as the ListView's notifyDataSetChanged method is invoked?
Mar 14 00:20:40 <pfn> SimonVT, that still doesn't negate the drawer clutter
Mar 14 00:20:52 <ctate> manifest receivers are not "activated" at boot time
Mar 14 00:20:58 <ctate> for apps that have been installed but not run
Mar 14 00:20:59 <wabz> oh.
Mar 14 00:21:09 <wabz> yeah I mean for apps that have been run once before the reboot
Mar 14 00:21:18 <ctate> run once ever, activated forever; it's sticky.
Mar 14 00:21:25 <wabz> cool. Thanks!
Mar 14 00:21:28 <ctate> but it *has* to be run explicitly at some point to become active.
Mar 14 00:21:29 <pfn> ctate, that's what I said, and I gathered he understood
Mar 14 00:22:01 <ctate> pfn: i suspected [from the way the convo went] that there were crossed signals :)
Mar 14 00:22:24 <pfn> but given the # of 3.0+ devices, it's not so terrible to depend on the old behavior still
Mar 14 00:22:25 <wabz> I understood, but even better to be explicit
Mar 14 00:23:00 <pfn> (doesn't negate having an info activity, though)
Mar 14 00:23:17 <pfn> someday I should make recontrolr more useful...
Mar 14 00:23:33 <wabz> I'll do a sipmle Activity with one 'preference' that enables/disables functionality :p
Mar 14 00:23:52 <pfn> http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/13/2867950/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-android-4-0-video
Mar 14 00:23:55 <pfn> terrible review
Mar 14 00:24:15 <wabz> this is just a very stupid app for me. I pretty much want to remove a wifi configuration when it's disconnected or wifi is disabled
Mar 14 00:24:32 <wabz> since the password is changing and when it auto-reconnects I get locked out for failed password attempts
Mar 14 00:24:40 <wabz> and I never remember to remove the network manually
Mar 14 00:24:41 <pfn> ctate, so... are there any ways from the cli to modify Settings.Secure?
Mar 14 00:25:01 <ctate> No.
Mar 14 00:25:06 <pfn> ctate, sure, one could modify sqlite directly (presumably that's where they're stored) ... but that wouldn't jive with the content provider
Mar 14 00:25:16 <ctate> you can't do that unless you're running as root, either
Mar 14 00:25:25 <ctate> if you really truly need to do that
Mar 14 00:25:27 <ctate> then stop the runtime
Mar 14 00:25:29 <Afzal> umm, anyone know why I'm getting this in the console: New package not yet registered with the system. Waiting 3 seconds before next attempt ? (not logcat)
Mar 14 00:25:29 <pfn> ctate, right, the assumption is running as root
Mar 14 00:25:34 <ctate> then you can do your sql mods in a clean state
Mar 14 00:25:37 <ctate> then restart the runtime
Mar 14 00:25:42 <Afzal> and then I have to open the activity manually instead of it opening automatically
Mar 14 00:25:43 <pfn> yeah, that's not a good answer...
Mar 14 00:25:47 <ctate> (the "stop" and "start" shell commands)
Mar 14 00:26:35 <Afzal> anyone?
Mar 14 00:27:28 <ctate> "console"?
Mar 14 00:28:01 <Afzal> yeah, the console in eclipse
Mar 14 00:28:04 <paradoxxjm> I'm having some issues extending a cursor adapter with the specific requirements of changing the colors of the selected row.  Could someone take a look at it here and tell me what I'm missing http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9690439/creating-custom-simple-cursor-adapter
Mar 14 00:28:05 <Afzal> trying cleaning,
Mar 14 00:28:30 <ctate> oh, SDK stuff.  i dunno about that.  :)
Mar 14 00:28:50 <g00s> wtf, the SGS2 ICS update doesn't even have Roboto ?
Mar 14 00:29:08 <wabz> pfn: why is that review terrible?
Mar 14 00:29:11 <SimonVT> paradoxxjm: Only change the views from bindView
Mar 14 00:29:20 <igzat> Hey all. I'm trying to learn more about Developing Android apps. I don't know any current programing languages. It's looking to me like all of the Droid programing seems to be based on Java programming with some extras added on. If that is correct, I'm thinking I might have an easier time if I fool around with plain Java first, then move on to messing with Droid development. Thoughts?
Mar 14 00:29:48 <paradoxxjm> SimonVT, Could you explain a bit more?
Mar 14 00:29:51 <wabz> g00s: I assume it does have it, but they haven't used it in the menus and whatnot?
Mar 14 00:29:56 <t0mless> igzat yes, Android is Java based
Mar 14 00:30:03 <t0mless> so learn java then android is a good plan
Mar 14 00:30:37 <SimonVT> Sure. If you want to change the view in any way, do so in bindView. Be it text, colors, images, whatever
Mar 14 00:30:51 <SimonVT> Supply the adapter with any data it needs to properly render each view
Mar 14 00:31:18 <paradoxxjm> I had a question about that actually. Because the Fragment list uses a cursor loader
Mar 14 00:31:21 <pfn> wabz, no, samsung is terrible
Mar 14 00:31:31 <paradoxxjm> and the list adapter requires a cursor for constructor
Mar 14 00:31:35 <paradoxxjm> Where does that come from?
Mar 14 00:31:40 <igzat> I gathered that, what I'm trying to decide is if I should plow ahead trying to learn the android and java at the same time, or if the extra android functionality will be to complex to learn without already having an understanding of plain java.
Mar 14 00:31:51 <pfn> ctate, hmm, so which service is the settings contentprovider in?
Mar 14 00:31:56 <SimonVT> If you want to to change the background color based on a position, give that position to the adapter, and set the background from bindView
Mar 14 00:31:57 <paradoxxjm> Also, how would I "pass" the paramaters to the list adapter from the fragment?
Mar 14 00:32:12 <SimonVT> cursor is the result from your database query
Mar 14 00:32:26 <pfn> oh, probably in the settings app
Mar 14 00:33:09 <ctate> the settings provider runs in the system process
Mar 14 00:33:57 <pfn> so just stop system; start system?
Mar 14 00:34:28 <ctate> just stop ; start
Mar 14 00:34:35 <ctate> adb shell stop / adb shell start
Mar 14 00:34:48 <ctate> brings down everything from zygote on down
Mar 14 00:35:01 <pfn> yeah, kills/starts surfaceflinger and zygote, saw that in the source
Mar 14 00:35:03 <paradoxxjm> SimonVT, This is the ListFragment here: http://pastebin.com/Qen9HAzi . How would I get access to the cursor if it is on ListAdapter?
Mar 14 00:36:09 <paradoxxjm> (This is my first day using a LoaderManager, so I'm still trying to get the hang of it.)
Mar 14 00:36:52 <thegreyspot> Hi all! I am trying to programmically turn on (wake up) the device. Anyone have a recommend method for this to work? I have tried these things: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9561320/android-how-to-turn-screen-on-and-off-programmatically/9675479#9675479
Mar 14 00:37:37 <pfn> ctate, what does it mean to be stopped?  seems like I can still launch and run stuff and go into settings
Mar 14 00:37:47 <ctate> are you sure you're running as root?
Mar 14 00:38:07 <ctate> perhaps what you need is this:
Mar 14 00:38:08 <ctate> adb shell
Mar 14 00:38:09 <ctate> su
Mar 14 00:38:10 <ctate> stop
Mar 14 00:38:11 <ctate> :)
Mar 14 00:38:13 <pfn> oh, right, forgot su
Mar 14 00:38:36 <pfn> oh, basically a soft reboot
Mar 14 00:38:40 <pfn> hmm, that's not useful
Mar 14 00:39:15 <ctate> in fact, it is exactly a "soft reboot"
Mar 14 00:39:21 <ctate> that is why we call those "runtime restarts"
Mar 14 00:39:34 <pfn> yeah, that's not so useful
Mar 14 00:40:10 <paradoxxjm> SimonVT, Still there?
Mar 14 00:44:48 <pfn> ctate, hmm, is there anything I can do with 'service call 41 ...' ?
Mar 14 00:45:07 <ctate> yow, i dunno.
Mar 14 00:45:16 <ctate> you're off in the weeds here, pfn.  what the hell are you actually trying to accomplish?
Mar 14 00:45:34 * ctate . o O ( the same thing we do every day, ctate -- try to take over the world! )
Mar 14 00:46:40 <pfn> ctate, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hanhuy.android.bluetooth.keyguard <-- reimplement that
Mar 14 00:47:39 <`z> pfn: i remembered i had something like that
Mar 14 00:47:42 <`z> except for windows
Mar 14 00:47:49 <`z> using my old Nokia 6500
Mar 14 00:48:14 <pfn> yeah, you can write a gina plugin that will unlock your desktop and auth as yourself if you pair your phone
Mar 14 00:48:20 <pragma_> Good thing he included a landscape screenshot.  That sold it for me.  *Buys*
Mar 14 00:49:08 <pfn> ctate, but it looks like IContentService.aidl is not useful
Mar 14 00:49:16 <pfn> there aren't any useful apis
Mar 14 00:49:26 <pragma_> "root required" -- best API ever
Mar 14 00:49:49 <pragma_> if you want it done right:  /bin/sh
Mar 14 00:49:49 <ctate> nothing at the AIDL level is stable api
Mar 14 00:50:21 <pfn> ctate, I realize that, but I want to be able to do what my old app used to be able to do for me
Mar 14 00:50:28 <ctate> hm, can you not write to secure settings even if you have the relevant permission?
Mar 14 00:50:40 <pfn> ctate, systemOrSignature or something like that
Mar 14 00:51:00 <Duke_Puke> why do i get a NullPointerException on this line: http://pastebin.com/axBwtmR1
Mar 14 00:51:00 <ctate> i don't thinkso
Mar 14 00:51:09 <ctate> WRITE_SETTINGS is 'dangerous' not signature/system
Mar 14 00:51:26 <t0mless> I think even with WRITE_SETTINGS you can't write to Settings.secure
Mar 14 00:51:35 <t0mless> or anything marked as a system setting
Mar 14 00:51:41 <pfn> ctate, Settings.Secure
Mar 14 00:51:49 <ctate> ah ok
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Mar 14 00:54:19 <pragma_> I've set all ListViews to have fastScrollEnabled(true), for instance.
Mar 14 00:54:24 <pragma_> Made my life easier, let me tell ya.
Mar 14 00:54:48 <thegreyspot> Anyone :/?
Mar 14 00:55:05 <pfn> thegreyspot, request a screen wake lock
Mar 14 00:55:21 <benzrf> Helo
Mar 14 00:56:27 <goldysingh> Is there any way to have html table headers fixed in a scrollable table when using webview?
Mar 14 00:56:36 <benzrf> I made a hello world app, then tried to put it on my Android. I made a keystore and whatnot and used eclipse's export wizard or whatever it's called, but when I try to run the apk on my device, it says 'Parsing error: Problem parsing package'
Mar 14 00:56:40 <benzrf> what.
Mar 14 00:56:50 <goldysingh> It appears that androids webkit implementation does not support this
Mar 14 00:57:25 <goldysingh> benzrf: go to problems tab and right click and delete the error and try again
Mar 14 00:57:32 <benzrf> ?
Mar 14 00:57:37 <benzrf> problems tab?
Mar 14 00:57:40 <goldysingh> right click on the error
Mar 14 00:57:41 <benzrf> o wait
Mar 14 00:57:45 <benzrf> There is no eror
Mar 14 00:57:47 <benzrf> **error
Mar 14 00:57:56 <benzrf> it appears when I try to open the apk on my device
Mar 14 00:58:02 <goldysingh> what are u using eclipse?
Mar 14 00:58:03 <benzrf> >:(
Mar 14 00:58:06 <benzrf> ?
Mar 14 00:58:07 <benzrf> Yes
Mar 14 00:58:20 <goldysingh> oh u mean in log cat?
Mar 14 00:58:24 <benzrf> Nothing seems to be wrong until I open the apk on an actual android...
Mar 14 00:58:27 <benzrf> log cat?
Mar 14 00:58:32 <benzrf> I'm 100% new
Mar 14 00:58:33 <readme> goldysingh:  but when I try to run the apk on my device, it says
Mar 14 00:58:33 <readme>                 'Parsing error: Problem parsing package'
Mar 14 00:58:35 <ctate> pfn: the basic problem here is that you need to stop writing apps that depend on skeevy security holes :)
Mar 14 00:58:38 <readme> its on the device
Mar 14 00:58:54 <thegreyspot> pfn this is what i did! http://pastebin.com/Z1CZQHxz
Mar 14 00:58:58 <benzrf> I'm just trying to get my hello world to work on an actual Android to make sure I know how for when I make actual apps
Mar 14 00:58:58 <goldysingh> where does this error appear?
Mar 14 00:59:06 <readme> _on_ _the_ _device_
Mar 14 00:59:14 <benzrf> yeth
Mar 14 00:59:14 <pfn> ctate, I want apps to improve my user experience
Mar 14 00:59:19 <goldysingh> try uninstalling the app and then reinstalling
Mar 14 00:59:20 <pragma_> pfn: just run your own rom for uber-leet customisations
Mar 14 00:59:24 <benzrf> It is not installed
Mar 14 00:59:28 <benzrf> I'm trying to open the apk
Mar 14 00:59:30 <benzrf> it does not work
Mar 14 00:59:41 <pfn> ctate, hiding the system ui on-demand = improving user experience; providing a mechanism for ensuring more people use better security methods = better user experience
Mar 14 00:59:49 <readme> try building clean and then exporting again
Mar 14 00:59:50 <pfn> pragma_, yeah, that's an option, but I don't like
Mar 14 01:00:00 <benzrf> I did
Mar 14 01:00:03 <benzrf> It happened again
Mar 14 01:00:04 <benzrf> :C
Mar 14 01:00:14 <readme> only have this problem when it is signed?
Mar 14 01:00:23 <benzrf> I didn't try unsigned...
Mar 14 01:00:24 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:00:29 <readme> try unsigned
Mar 14 01:00:38 <pfn> pragma_, I went through the same phase when I built my own linux kernels and distributions from scratch waybackwhen, I don't want to regress to that point
Mar 14 01:00:38 <benzrf> alright
Mar 14 01:00:38 <readme> just click "run"
Mar 14 01:00:40 <benzrf> :d
Mar 14 01:00:46 <goldysingh> i thought all apps had to be signed?
Mar 14 01:00:58 <ctate> yes, all apps must be signed by the developer
Mar 14 01:01:05 <readme> goldysingh: with the debug key
Mar 14 01:01:20 <goldysingh> ok...so whats this about unsigned app
Mar 14 01:01:23 <readme> unsigned was not the correct terminology, sorry
Mar 14 01:01:33 <ctate> goldysingh: he means "signed with the dev key supplied with the SDK"
Mar 14 01:01:43 <ctate> not unsigned per se
Mar 14 01:02:00 <ctate> (java doesn't *support* "unsigned"  HAW HAW ba-dum crash)
Mar 14 01:02:10 <ghchinoy> Heh
Mar 14 01:02:13 <pfn> bad joke
Mar 14 01:02:42 <ctate> but DELIBERATELY bad
Mar 14 01:02:43 <pragma_> pfn: what you can do is, after making a customisation to the AOSP sources, you can push a gerrit review to try to get it included in the official repo, then once it is accepted you are then no longer running a forked/divergent rom :)
Mar 14 01:02:52 <benzrf> Yep
Mar 14 01:02:59 <benzrf> Get the problem when it's unsigned
Mar 14 01:03:00 <benzrf> >_<
Mar 14 01:03:05 * ghchinoy b & 0xFF's that joke
Mar 14 01:03:06 <benzrf> oooh wait
Mar 14 01:03:13 <benzrf> shit I think I might know the problem
Mar 14 01:03:13 <benzrf> >_<
Mar 14 01:03:15 <pragma_> assuming the official AOSP gerrit allows random joes to submit patches
Mar 14 01:03:18 <benzrf> 1 sec
Mar 14 01:03:23 <pfn> pragma_, yeah, but there are no good solutions that would result in acceptance
Mar 14 01:03:26 * pragma_ works for the cyanogenmod gerrit
Mar 14 01:03:31 <benzrf> ummm
Mar 14 01:03:34 <benzrf> let's see
Mar 14 01:03:34 <ctate> pragma_: it does, but patches for that stuff are basically guaranteed to be rejected
Mar 14 01:03:39 <readme> benzrf: you didn't configure your device properly to allow installation of non-market apps and development settings?
Mar 14 01:03:44 <pfn> ctate, right, what I just said  :p
Mar 14 01:03:48 <benzrf> No, that works I think
Mar 14 01:03:53 <ctate> the changes that broke his apps are considered to have *fixed* significant security issues
Mar 14 01:03:54 <benzrf> I downloaded an apk a while back
Mar 14 01:03:54 <benzrf> from the net
Mar 14 01:04:08 <pfn> ctate, root should have all-consuming rights, damnit  :p
Mar 14 01:04:11 <benzrf> I'm wondering if I'm writing it using a version of the api that's too new for my device
Mar 14 01:04:13 <benzrf> D:
Mar 14 01:04:23 <readme> adb uninstall <package>
Mar 14 01:04:26 <ghchinoy> ack. I 'm trying to run a gnex avd and I think I have all the settings right, but clearly I don't - i'm getting a "Failed to allocate memory: 8" and crash. I tried -partition-size 1024 on launch params.
Mar 14 01:04:27 <ctate> benzrf: are you not bothering to read what is logged on the device when you attempted installation?
Mar 14 01:04:30 <ghchinoy> Any ideas?
Mar 14 01:04:34 <benzrf> ummm
Mar 14 01:04:35 <benzrf> how?
Mar 14 01:04:36 <ctate> :)
Mar 14 01:04:39 <benzrf> I JUST started this stuff
Mar 14 01:04:39 <benzrf> D:
Mar 14 01:04:50 <ctate> 'adb logcat' or the log pane in the SDK-enhanced Eclipse
Mar 14 01:04:57 <benzrf> alright...
Mar 14 01:04:59 <benzrf> wait, what?
Mar 14 01:05:02 <benzrf> installed it?
Mar 14 01:05:13 <benzrf> I just exported to APK and then sent it to the sd card
Mar 14 01:05:16 <benzrf> ?
Mar 14 01:05:23 <ctate> did you not say you were getting failures trying to install the app on a device?
Mar 14 01:05:36 <benzrf> ummm
Mar 14 01:05:44 <ctate> "sent it to the SD card" meaning what exactly?
Mar 14 01:05:44 <benzrf> I downloaded the apk and tried to open it
Mar 14 01:05:47 <benzrf> got a parse error
Mar 14 01:05:49 <ctate> aha
Mar 14 01:05:54 <benzrf> I opened it as usb storage
Mar 14 01:05:59 <benzrf> copied the file over
Mar 14 01:06:05 <ctate> that isn't installation
Mar 14 01:06:08 <ctate> that's just copying a file
Mar 14 01:06:16 <benzrf> Yes, and then I tried to open the file
Mar 14 01:06:19 <benzrf> I got a parse error
Mar 14 01:06:30 <ctate> "open"?  using some file-management app?
Mar 14 01:06:34 <ghchinoy> benzrf: did you try the adb install cmd?
Mar 14 01:06:38 <benzrf> uh
Mar 14 01:06:42 <ghchinoy> http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html#move
Mar 14 01:06:45 <benzrf> I just used 'my files' to find it
Mar 14 01:06:47 <benzrf> XD
Mar 14 01:06:56 <benzrf> I think that's what I did last time when I downloaded an apk
Mar 14 01:06:56 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:06:59 <ctate> there is no "my files" in stock Android.  what device are you using?
Mar 14 01:07:11 <benzrf> Samsung Galaxy player 4.0
Mar 14 01:07:22 <ctate> okay, so that's just some Samsung customization
Mar 14 01:07:32 <benzrf> Alright
Mar 14 01:07:39 <ctate> anyway, there should be somethign in Settings
Mar 14 01:08:00 <benzrf> mm?
Mar 14 01:08:26 <ghchinoy> that allows you to install unsigned apps.
Mar 14 01:08:38 <ghchinoy> er, non market apps
Mar 14 01:08:39 <benzrf> Yes, but it doesn't work when signed either
Mar 14 01:08:42 <benzrf> That's how I started out
Mar 14 01:08:49 <benzrf> And I already have the non-market thing ticked
Mar 14 01:08:52 <ghchinoy> Hmm, did that setting change names now that it's s/market/play ?
Mar 14 01:08:57 <benzrf> oh, true
Mar 14 01:08:59 * ghchinoy checks
Mar 14 01:08:59 <bankai_> benzrf: as someone said before, use adb to install and use adb to read the logs ....
Mar 14 01:09:05 <benzrf> ok
Mar 14 01:09:09 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:09:30 <ctate> like, Settings -> Application -> Unknown sources
Mar 14 01:09:41 <ctate> to permit installation of apps from sources other than Market
Mar 14 01:09:45 <ghchinoy> It hasn't (yet)
Mar 14 01:09:49 <ctate> make sure that's checked
Mar 14 01:10:10 <benzrf|afk> yeah, it is
Mar 14 01:10:11 <ghchinoy> Yes, benzrf, use http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html#move
Mar 14 01:10:23 <benzrf|afk> where do I type these commands?
Mar 14 01:10:29 <benzrf|afk> dos-prompt?
Mar 14 01:10:29 <benzrf|afk> D:
Mar 14 01:10:38 <benzrf|afk> I don't know anything about this...
Mar 14 01:10:39 <benzrf|afk> ;_;
Mar 14 01:10:40 <ctate> 'adb' is a host side (yeah, dos/windows prompt) command-line tool that comes with the SDK
Mar 14 01:10:47 <benzrf|afk> a'ight
Mar 14 01:10:59 <ctate> to read the log the easier thing to do is to download an app like aLogCat from Market
Mar 14 01:11:11 <ctate> and then use that to see what the complaint is when you tried to install the app and it said parse error
Mar 14 01:11:18 <ctate> the apk file is probably corrupt, FYI
Mar 14 01:11:28 <benzrf> What dir is this stuff in?
Mar 14 01:11:33 <ctate> either that or it's outright incompatible with your device
Mar 14 01:11:35 <benzrf> What should I add to my path
Mar 14 01:11:39 <benzrf> :/
Mar 14 01:11:47 <ctate> if you're installing the SDK, follow the directions.
Mar 14 01:11:57 <benzrf> :<
Mar 14 01:12:19 <benzrf> Aha, F:\Program Files\Android\android-sdk\platform-tools
Mar 14 01:12:22 <ghchinoy> hmm, it was Device Memory 1024 that was borking. Set back to Device Memory 512 on the avd and it looks like my gnex settings avd is working!
Mar 14 01:12:31 <benzrf> Score one for exploring directories!
Mar 14 01:12:53 <Gabs> Hello :)
Mar 14 01:13:15 <benzrf> I do NOT put the path in pointbrackets, do I?
Mar 14 01:13:15 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:13:41 <Gabs> I'm trying to install/use Android SDK on my iMac so I can do some app testing. I did the intial SDK install but now I'm stuck (I'm not a developer so I'm a tad lost). Can anyone help?
Mar 14 01:13:55 <benzrf> ummm
Mar 14 01:14:00 <benzrf> Do you use eclipse?
Mar 14 01:14:03 <ctate> no <> in the PATH, right
Mar 14 01:14:06 <benzrf> Ok
Mar 14 01:14:06 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:14:14 <benzrf> Mainly kidding
Mar 14 01:14:24 <benzrf> I meant in the adb command
Mar 14 01:14:27 <bankai_> Gabs: there's a doco telling you how to setup eclipse to use the android SDK  ( see the topic )
Mar 14 01:14:34 <benzrf> since it said "adb install <path_to_apk>"
Mar 14 01:14:34 <Gabs> Can the SDK be used with eclipse?
Mar 14 01:14:38 <benzrf> Yes!
Mar 14 01:14:38 <Gabs> cool :)
Mar 14 01:14:42 <Gabs> I have Eclipse :)
Mar 14 01:14:46 <benzrf> In fact, AFAIK it's DESIGNED to
Mar 14 01:14:53 <benzrf> eclipse ftw
Mar 14 01:15:11 <Gabs> sweet let me launch eclipse and see if I can do this then.
Mar 14 01:15:15 <benzrf> shite
Mar 14 01:15:27 <Gabs> (yes I'm a total n00b *shame*)
Mar 14 01:15:32 <benzrf> I did "adb install <path_to_apk>" and I just got "error: device not found"
Mar 14 01:15:33 <benzrf> COMRADE
Mar 14 01:15:35 <benzrf> I AM A NOOB TOO
Mar 14 01:15:38 <benzrf> :3
Mar 14 01:15:47 <bankai_> benzrf: is your device plugged in ?
Mar 14 01:15:51 <Gabs> benzrf: cool, although I'm probably a bigger noob :p
Mar 14 01:15:58 <benzrf> I have doubts
Mar 14 01:16:10 <benzrf> @bankai: I think I forgot to turn on USB storage access
Mar 14 01:16:15 <benzrf> damn I feel like an idiot
Mar 14 01:16:16 <benzrf> T_T
Mar 14 01:16:26 <ghchinoy> benzrf: type: adb devices
Mar 14 01:16:27 <bankai_> you don't need USB storage, you need to enable the USB development stuff
Mar 14 01:16:36 <benzrf> OK
Mar 14 01:16:36 <ghchinoy> If nothing shows up, your device isn't being recognized.
Mar 14 01:16:37 <benzrf> one moment
Mar 14 01:16:49 <benzrf> thanks for the help so far!
Mar 14 01:16:49 <benzrf> :)
Mar 14 01:17:06 <benzrf> nothing
Mar 14 01:17:09 <benzrf> what setting do I pick?
Mar 14 01:17:15 <benzrf> USB debugging?
Mar 14 01:17:29 <readme> yes
Mar 14 01:17:32 <ghchinoy> Tick that, yes.
Mar 14 01:17:34 <benzrf> ok
Mar 14 01:18:03 <benzrf> poifect
Mar 14 01:18:03 <benzrf> :3
Mar 14 01:19:22 <benzrf> ...nothing
Mar 14 01:19:24 <benzrf> :C
Mar 14 01:19:34 <benzrf> I got a 'new hardware found' wizard
Mar 14 01:19:41 <benzrf> I don't need to install a driver, do I?
Mar 14 01:19:46 <readme> benzrf: try to use less '\n'
Mar 14 01:19:52 <readme> yes, you do need a driver...
Mar 14 01:19:53 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:19:56 <benzrf> oh
Mar 14 01:20:10 <readme> usually on windows it will offer to install itself for you
Mar 14 01:20:14 <benzrf> ok
Mar 14 01:20:20 <readme> perhaps, its this new hardware found wizard, who will help you
Mar 14 01:20:25 <benzrf> alright
Mar 14 01:20:27 <benzrf> brb
Mar 14 01:21:23 <benzrf> dammit
Mar 14 01:21:40 <benzrf> 'the hardware was not installed because the wizard cannot find the necessary software'
Mar 14 01:21:41 <benzrf> -_-
Mar 14 01:21:51 <Gabs> ok I'm still lost. I have a .apk file, the android SDK and eclipse, but I don't know what I'm, doing. I tried opening the .apk in eclipse but that seems just look like gibberish ... :|
Mar 14 01:22:03 <benzrf> Wait,. what are you trying to do?
Mar 14 01:22:12 <maraz> "the hardware was not installed because the wizard cannot find the necessary spellbook"
Mar 14 01:22:18 <benzrf> lol!
Mar 14 01:22:24 <Gabs> bascially install this test app onto my android tablet so I can test it
Mar 14 01:22:35 <benzrf> ahar
Mar 14 01:22:40 <benzrf> Don't ask me
Mar 14 01:22:44 <benzrf> I'm still stuck on that step!
Mar 14 01:22:45 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:22:48 <Gabs> hehe
Mar 14 01:23:28 <benzrf> yey!
Mar 14 01:23:34 <benzrf> found the driver
Mar 14 01:23:45 <pragma_> Gabs: adb install myapp.apk
Mar 14 01:23:59 <pragma_> I'd also get rid of eclipse, if you want your life to be easier.
Mar 14 01:24:50 <Gabs> pragma_: I can't ... our developers use eclipse too. I want my environment to match theirs
Mar 14 01:25:09 <benzrf> What is wrong with eclipse?
Mar 14 01:25:10 <benzrf> 0_0
Mar 14 01:25:10 <t0mless> if you have the source you can just use run from eclipse
Mar 14 01:25:14 <t0mless> it has the green play button
Mar 14 01:25:21 <t0mless> if you just have the apk
Mar 14 01:25:26 <t0mless> use command line adb like pragma_ said
Mar 14 01:25:33 <t0mless> adb install myapp.apk
Mar 14 01:25:40 <t0mless> or adb install -r myapp.apk
Mar 14 01:25:43 <t0mless> if it's been on there once
Mar 14 01:25:57 <Gabs> ok hang on
Mar 14 01:26:18 <benzrf> ffff
Mar 14 01:26:26 <Gabs> how do you open more than one terminal window on a mac?
Mar 14 01:26:50 <Gabs> nvm found it
Mar 14 01:27:03 <readme> lol
Mar 14 01:27:34 <t0mless> Gabs this also assumes your device is connected and drivers are installed
Mar 14 01:27:34 <benzrf> ffff
Mar 14 01:27:36 <Gabs> adb is not a recognized command
Mar 14 01:27:39 <benzrf> I cannot install the driver
Mar 14 01:27:40 <benzrf> T_T
Mar 14 01:27:53 <benzrf> @gabs: Macs have a PATH env variable, amirite?
Mar 14 01:27:56 <t0mless> Gabs you need to add platform-tools to your path
Mar 14 01:28:12 <t0mless> or run the command from the folder with adb in it
Mar 14 01:28:23 <t0mless> and do adb install -r /path/to/myapp.apk
Mar 14 01:28:27 <benzrf> My computer does not want to install the driver!
Mar 14 01:28:30 <benzrf> T_T
Mar 14 01:28:42 <t0mless> ?
Mar 14 01:28:45 <Gabs> benzrf: I have no clue. I rarely use my mac for anything
Mar 14 01:28:45 <t0mless> what driver?
Mar 14 01:28:50 <benzrf> not you
Mar 14 01:28:51 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:29:03 <benzrf> @t0mless: The driver for debug mode so that I can use abd
Mar 14 01:29:04 <t0mless> Gabs Macs have a PATH variable :)
Mar 14 01:29:16 <Gabs> Ok I know I set up my eclipse environment a year ago and I was able to connect my android device at the time. I am hoping that's still all in place
Mar 14 01:29:17 <t0mless> benzrf what device?
Mar 14 01:29:20 <benzrf> You know what a PATH variable is, right?
Mar 14 01:29:26 <benzrf> My Android!
Mar 14 01:29:30 <t0mless> ...
Mar 14 01:29:32 <benzrf> Oh, model?
Mar 14 01:29:32 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:29:36 <Gabs> benzrf: I know what a path is, generally speaking
Mar 14 01:29:37 <t0mless> every android device uses different drivers
Mar 14 01:29:44 <t0mless> mostly
Mar 14 01:29:52 <t0mless> google has a generic usb driver that works for some
Mar 14 01:29:53 <benzrf> Oh, I need the OEM before the SDK drivers?
Mar 14 01:29:55 <t0mless> like the nexus ones
Mar 14 01:29:57 <benzrf> ok
Mar 14 01:30:00 <benzrf> I will get the OEM
Mar 14 01:30:02 <benzrf> :I
Mar 14 01:30:30 <Gabs> oh I get it ... myapp.apk is the name of my app .. DUH sorry. I've just been going around in circles for so long today
Mar 14 01:30:46 <benzrf> @Gabs: The PATH variable contains some paths that are automatically searched for the file that you open in the terminal if it isn't in the directory you're in
Mar 14 01:31:14 <benzrf> For example, most of the basic commands are in some OS directory, which is listed in the PATH variable so you can use them without being in the same directory
Mar 14 01:31:38 <benzrf> I add to it all the time so that I can do stuff like start minecraft by typing 'minecraft' into the run dialond
Mar 14 01:31:39 <Gabs> benzrf: I think I got it, thanks
Mar 14 01:31:43 <benzrf> **dialog
Mar 14 01:31:46 <benzrf> :3
Mar 14 01:31:47 <benzrf> alright :P
Mar 14 01:32:18 <benzrf> gettin' my OEM driver...
Mar 14 01:32:30 <Sicp> path variable?
Mar 14 01:32:32 <Sicp> what's that?
Mar 14 01:32:39 <Sicp> plz2trollsomemore
Mar 14 01:32:59 <t0mless> I think it's set to /go/jump/off/a/cliff on your machine Sicp
Mar 14 01:33:05 <t0mless> :)
Mar 14 01:33:10 <Sicp> lul
Mar 14 01:33:45 <benzrf> crap
Mar 14 01:33:48 <benzrf> ugh
Mar 14 01:34:17 <benzrf> I have to power down my device and remove the battery to find out my model
Mar 14 01:34:21 <benzrf> cmon samsung!
Mar 14 01:34:26 <benzrf> ಠ_ಠ
Mar 14 01:34:45 <oGMo> ...
Mar 14 01:34:58 <benzrf> spaaaaaam
Mar 14 01:35:20 <t0mless> lol
Mar 14 01:35:25 <Gabs> benzrf: you don't remember which model you have?
Mar 14 01:35:37 <benzrf> No, I don't remember the specific model number
Mar 14 01:35:37 <benzrf> :P
Mar 14 01:35:45 <Gabs> Do you need the specific model number?
Mar 14 01:35:51 <benzrf> Yes
Mar 14 01:35:55 <Gabs> hmm
Mar 14 01:36:01 <benzrf> There are two choices for YP-G1s
Mar 14 01:36:15 <Gabs> Interesting
Mar 14 01:36:20 <t0mless> they're probably the same driver too
Mar 14 01:36:24 <benzrf> No
Mar 14 01:36:30 <benzrf> They're separate options in the dropdown
Mar 14 01:36:33 <Gabs> Well I'm using my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for testing
Mar 14 01:36:36 <benzrf> ಠ_ಠ
Mar 14 01:36:47 <benzrf> I wish I had a tab
Mar 14 01:36:50 <benzrf> (let)
Mar 14 01:36:54 <Gabs> it rocks :)
Mar 14 01:36:55 <benzrf> or 4g for that matter...
Mar 14 01:36:55 <benzrf> :C
Mar 14 01:36:56 <EnRohbi> I got severely frustrated trying to get OEM drivers working today
Mar 14 01:36:58 <inxane> i'm drinking a tab
Mar 14 01:37:03 <Gabs> Mine is wi-fi only
Mar 14 01:37:04 <benzrf> LOUSY 4-INCH SCREEN
Mar 14 01:37:10 <t0mless> Screw Tab, RC COLA BITCHES
Mar 14 01:37:20 <benzrf> Old joke man
Mar 14 01:37:28 <benzrf> http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002607
Mar 14 01:37:39 <pragma_> Anything by Coca-cola or Pepsi sucks.
Mar 14 01:37:41 <benzrf> Observe the grandeur of terrible jokes
Mar 14 01:37:50 <readme> anything with HFCS is pleb food
Mar 14 01:38:01 <pragma_> Virgil's is where it's at.
Mar 14 01:38:16 <pragma_> http://www.reedsinc.com/virgils/
Mar 14 01:38:17 <pragma_> Oh yeah.
Mar 14 01:38:20 <benzrf> :/
Mar 14 01:38:27 <oGMo> t0mless: switching to rc cola is just an alt-tab
Mar 14 01:38:36 * oGMo runs
Mar 14 01:38:44 <ghchinoy> Hmm, landscape mode of the gnex apk15 emu seems to have some font strangeness, it's jagging up some letters
Mar 14 01:38:48 <benzrf> that is so terrible
Mar 14 01:38:51 <ghchinoy> Anyone encounter that or know how to fix?
Mar 14 01:38:52 * benzrf stones oGMo
Mar 14 01:38:56 <oGMo> :)
Mar 14 01:39:11 <benzrf> MIIIIINECRAAAAAFT
Mar 14 01:39:13 <benzrf> DURRR
Mar 14 01:39:26 <readme> guys this isn't #reddit
Mar 14 01:39:28 <readme> calm the hell down
Mar 14 01:39:37 <benzrf> Pish-posh
Mar 14 01:39:43 <pragma_> lulz, I just noticed Virgil's Dr. Pepper spin-off called "Dr. Better"
Mar 14 01:39:55 <benzrf> 0_0
Mar 14 01:40:25 <benzrf> ffffffff
Mar 14 01:41:18 <benzrf> Shit
Mar 14 01:41:28 <benzrf> I'm on the download page for my model, but I don't see drivers
Mar 14 01:41:29 <benzrf> >_<
Mar 14 01:41:41 <benzrf> Is it KIES?
Mar 14 01:41:51 <benzrf> Yes, I know that you don't know
Mar 14 01:41:51 <benzrf> >:P
Mar 14 01:42:13 * pragma_ gives benzrf some Ritalin.
Mar 14 01:42:17 <benzrf> Sorry
Mar 14 01:42:22 <benzrf> I'm young for my age
Mar 14 01:42:25 <benzrf> And I might have ADHD
Mar 14 01:42:36 <pragma_> Yeah, I can tell by your 6-message outbursts.
Mar 14 01:42:38 <t0mless> I believe KIES is the Samsung driver suite
Mar 14 01:42:43 <benzrf> You sure?
Mar 14 01:42:45 <benzrf> :I
Mar 14 01:42:49 <Gabs> and right in the middle of all this my android decides to get an OS update ...
Mar 14 01:42:49 <readme> benzrf: join us in ##nutrition, we would like to criticize your diet and sleep habits.
Mar 14 01:43:00 <benzrf> @Gabs: HA!
Mar 14 01:43:21 <Gabs> maybe I should do this tomorrow ... :p
Mar 14 01:43:26 <benzrf> @readme: So it's 9:43 where I am and I have school tomorrow and we just switched to Daylight Savings!
Mar 14 01:43:29 <pragma_> Tomorrow never comes.
Mar 14 01:43:29 <benzrf> Big deal!
Mar 14 01:43:32 * benzrf passes out
Mar 14 01:43:34 * benzrf comes to
Mar 14 01:44:03 <Gabs> pragma_: maybe I should do this on Wednesday :p
Mar 14 01:44:12 <benzrf> I am kinda upset because I have to upload around 3GB to my VPS once I get it
Mar 14 01:44:15 <benzrf> :$
Mar 14 01:44:40 <jayd16> hey so I want to implement an image cache.  Right now its implemented as a weak map with bitmaps.  I'm thinking about actually caching the array of the compressed bitmap/image file.  (I was looking at the gallery app code and I see this happening).  My question is, how is bitmap.decode performance, and is there any reason this is a bad idea?
Mar 14 01:45:02 <benzrf> I am a terrible programmer
Mar 14 01:45:03 <benzrf> LAUGH AT ME
Mar 14 01:49:45 * benzrf yaws
Mar 14 01:49:50 <benzrf> **yawns
Mar 14 01:50:18 <benzrf> ffffff
Mar 14 01:50:19 <Gabs> alright I give up on this for tonight. thanks for the help so far. I'll come back if I can't figure it out tomorrow.
Mar 14 01:50:25 <benzrf> :I
Mar 14 01:50:33 <Gabs> take care :)
Mar 14 01:51:22 <benzrf> cmon cmon cmon...
Mar 14 01:52:35 <benzrf> ffff
Mar 14 01:53:53 <benzrf> ffff
Mar 14 01:54:06 <bankai_> benzrf: shutup ...
Mar 14 01:54:12 <benzrf> I just installed KIES, and it STILL doesn't recognize it in adb devices!
Mar 14 01:54:15 * benzrf rages
Mar 14 01:54:37 <t0mless> does your device have usb debugging enabled?
Mar 14 01:54:42 <benzrf> YES
Mar 14 01:54:59 <t0mless> and if you look in device manager it showed ADB Composite Device
Mar 14 01:55:01 <t0mless> when it's plugged in?
Mar 14 01:55:10 <benzrf> :d
Mar 14 01:55:13 <benzrf> 1 sec
Mar 14 01:55:42 <benzrf> under what category?
Mar 14 01:56:07 <t0mless> Dunno... portable devices? Not sure where it shows up
Mar 14 01:56:31 <benzrf> :d
Mar 14 01:56:43 <benzrf> I have
Mar 14 01:56:53 <benzrf> SAMSUNG Android ADB Interface
Mar 14 01:57:07 <benzrf> not composite device tho
Mar 14 01:57:41 <t0mless> that works
Mar 14 01:57:46 <t0mless> restart adb
Mar 14 01:58:17 <benzrf> ?
Mar 14 01:58:19 <benzrf> restart it?
Mar 14 01:58:27 <benzrf> I'm using dos-prompt commands
Mar 14 01:58:35 <t0mless> adb kill-server
Mar 14 01:58:37 <benzrf> it's not a continuous process...
Mar 14 01:58:38 <benzrf> ok
Mar 14 01:58:43 <t0mless> it is
Mar 14 01:58:55 <benzrf> done
Mar 14 01:58:56 <benzrf> ok
Mar 14 01:58:57 <t0mless> it just starts the process on first adb command if it's not running
Mar 14 01:58:58 <benzrf> :d
Mar 14 01:58:59 <hkhalid> anyone know how htc rhyme charm works? is it arduino based?
Mar 14 01:59:08 <hkhalid> how does it get the signal via mic
Mar 14 01:59:11 <benzrf> YES
Mar 14 01:59:12 <benzrf> FINALLY
Mar 14 01:59:19 * benzrf dances
Mar 14 01:59:53 <benzrf> Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_OLDER_SDK]
Mar 14 01:59:56 <benzrf> What is this shit
Mar 14 02:00:15 <t0mless> is your min sdk higher than your device?
Mar 14 02:00:20 <t0mless> in your manifest
Mar 14 02:00:30 <benzrf> It might be...
Mar 14 02:00:33 <benzrf> D:
Mar 14 02:00:36 <t0mless> That would cause the error
Mar 14 02:00:40 <benzrf> Allow me to check
Mar 14 02:00:49 <benzrf> How do I find out my device's sdk level?
Mar 14 02:01:00 <t0mless> about phone in settings
Mar 14 02:01:06 <benzrf> ok, see you
Mar 14 02:01:08 <benzrf> g2g
Mar 14 02:31:10 <yeik> I imported a project into eclipse and did fix project properties but it still has errors and i can't figure out how to get it working
Mar 14 02:31:13 <yeik> any thoughts?
Mar 14 02:36:21 <hkhalid> yeik what the error
Mar 14 02:42:03 <yeik> i think i got it, it had me remove an override for onclicklistener
Mar 14 02:42:05 <yeik> weird though
Mar 14 02:42:11 <yeik> as that should be required
Mar 14 02:51:34 <t0mless> yeik what JDK you using?
Mar 14 02:51:50 <t0mless> should be compiling with 1.6
Mar 14 02:54:09 <yeik> made sure it was at 1.6 under java build and it didn't change
Mar 14 02:55:47 <t0mless> and you do have jdk6 installed right?
Mar 14 02:57:43 <yeik> I am pretty sure i do,. I am currently running lxubuntu,. I got it compiled and installed to my phone now
Mar 14 02:57:51 <yeik> i just don't know why it told me to remove the override
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