**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 15 02:59:58 2012
Mar 15 03:08:44 <tophyr> JesusFreke: forgive me if i'm pestering.. i'm assuming you're pretty knowledgeable re dalvik assembly. i'm looking thru the function (a dfs search) that's causing the stack overflow i'm getting and not seeing any glaring errors and wondering if it'd be a feasible proguard-style defense technique to string together a control flow that'd break a graph builder
Mar 15 03:09:59 <JesusFreke> maybe it's just a really really large function?
Mar 15 03:10:32 <JesusFreke> that sounds possible, but I'm not sure about feasible
Mar 15 03:11:07 <JesusFreke> have you tried increasing the stack size?
Mar 15 03:11:46 <JesusFreke> also, take a look the arguments to the recursive function. does it look like it's in a loop?
Mar 15 03:12:16 <JesusFreke> </braindump> :)
Mar 15 03:21:23 <std0s> I'll look at other things tophyr cheers
Mar 15 03:22:57 <benzrf> hey
Mar 15 03:23:18 <benzrf> How can I get my app to print to the eclipse console when I'm running it in debug mode?
Mar 15 03:24:13 <benzrf> ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
Mar 15 03:24:47 <benzrf> Can nobody help me?
Mar 15 03:24:48 <benzrf> :C
Mar 15 03:24:52 <vladikoff> benzrf, Log.v("MyApp","Print to LogCat");
Mar 15 03:24:59 <benzrf> :3
Mar 15 03:25:01 <benzrf> THANK you
Mar 15 03:25:02 <benzrf> :D
Mar 15 03:25:11 <vladikoff> benzrf, make sure you look at LogCat, not Eclipse Console view
Mar 15 03:25:21 <benzrf> Where is LogCat
Mar 15 03:25:23 <benzrf> -_-;
Mar 15 03:25:35 <ron_frown> ddms perspective
Mar 15 03:25:38 <ron_frown> or add the view
Mar 15 03:25:50 <benzrf> um
Mar 15 03:25:52 <benzrf> ddms?
Mar 15 03:25:53 <benzrf> :p
Mar 15 03:26:04 <benzrf> oh, logcat
Mar 15 03:26:06 <benzrf> alright
Mar 15 03:26:09 <benzrf> thank you very much!
Mar 15 03:26:10 <benzrf> :D
Mar 15 03:26:26 <vladikoff> Have Fun, bud..., nvm he left
Mar 15 03:26:51 <tophyr> JesusFreke: that's kinda my thought. i'm currently getting everything i need to build the proj myself so i can add some logging stuff to the func so i can tell if it's bugged or if it's parsing through a function that's legitimately that big
Mar 15 03:27:08 <tophyr> i set stack size to 1m and it still did it.. suppose i could try something ridic like 50m stack size
Mar 15 03:27:19 <TheBunny> is it possible these days to ship a 700 MB app?
Mar 15 03:27:23 <JesusFreke> tophyr: quick check: run it through smali and see if it's huge or anything
Mar 15 03:27:43 <JesusFreke> TheBunny: the apk itself can only be 50MB. but you can have OBBs that are up to.. 2GB? iirc
Mar 15 03:27:48 <tophyr> prob is i don't know which function is causing the failure
Mar 15 03:27:52 <JesusFreke> ah
Mar 15 03:28:01 <JesusFreke> nevermind then :)
Mar 15 03:28:25 <TheBunny> ok I was not sure the extra data could go that high..
Mar 15 03:29:04 <tophyr> what's 0BB?
Mar 15 03:29:07 <tophyr> OBB rather
Mar 15 03:29:11 <TheBunny> Can most stores serve that extra data or does the app maker need to arrange a private server of some kind?
Mar 15 03:29:47 <TheBunny> "Opaque Binary Blobs (OBBs)."
Mar 15 03:29:54 <JesusFreke> TheBunny:  http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/03/android-apps-break-50mb-barrier.html
Mar 15 03:30:02 <JesusFreke> 2 OBBs up to 2GB each
Mar 15 03:30:58 <TheBunny> I remember the news.
Mar 15 03:31:33 <TheBunny> what happens on say the amazon store?
Mar 15 03:31:53 <tophyr> JesusFreke: heyyyy, stack size of 50mb did it. guess it really was a legit func
Mar 15 03:32:12 <JesusFreke> TheBunny: OBBs are specific to android market
Mar 15 03:32:18 <TheBunny> someone wants to port an OLD CD rom game to android
Mar 15 03:32:31 <TheBunny> which is why im asking the current state of all this
Mar 15 03:32:35 <JesusFreke> tophyr: ha
Mar 15 03:32:42 <TheBunny> the old data is almost 700MB on ios
Mar 15 03:32:54 <TheBunny> well 1 CD rom worth ;)
Mar 15 03:33:03 <JesusFreke> yeah, sounds like OBB would be the way to go
Mar 15 03:33:21 <TheBunny> what about older systems or like the amazon FIRE etc?
Mar 15 03:33:29 <TheBunny> no options there at all?
Mar 15 03:33:46 <tophyr> third party server?
Mar 15 03:34:11 <TheBunny> private? or are there companies that provide this?
Mar 15 03:34:20 <TheBunny> or can iyt just be a a web server?
Mar 15 03:34:33 <tophyr> web server is what i'd do
Mar 15 03:35:21 <tophyr> not as "simple" a solution as the market OBBs obv, but it'd do
Mar 15 03:36:38 <TheBunny> OBB are just sexy!
Mar 15 03:36:43 <TheBunny> about time
Mar 15 03:39:30 <TheBunny> Thanks all :)
Mar 15 03:40:12 <TheBunny> Oh the idea is to port 7th guest over
Mar 15 03:40:28 <TheBunny> its been forward ported to Mac OSX and now iphone and ipad
Mar 15 04:13:32 <bluezone> Is there any way to fix the width and height of buttons (i don't want them to stretch when the layout width changes
Mar 15 04:20:57 <pfn> bluezone, wrap_content
Mar 15 04:21:12 <bluezone> pfn: oh good idea
Mar 15 04:30:24 <canadiancow> yo pfn
Mar 15 04:30:27 <canadiancow> wrap_content
Mar 15 04:32:09 <Gaz`> anyone good with SimpleXML?
Mar 15 04:32:15 <Gaz`> been stuck for 4 hrs on this damn thing
Mar 15 04:32:47 <pfn> canadiancow, what
Mar 15 04:32:51 <pfn> Gaz`, use something not simplexml?
Mar 15 04:32:56 <pfn> like what everyone else uses
Mar 15 04:33:01 <pfn> dom, sax, or whatever is popular
Mar 15 04:33:53 <canadiancow> json
Mar 15 04:34:36 <Gaz`> mostof the proj is done using this tho
Mar 15 04:34:39 <Gaz`> seems silly to swap
Mar 15 04:38:17 <QubeZ> oh finally got done localizing to spanish
Mar 15 04:38:20 <QubeZ> fuck that sucked
Mar 15 04:39:57 <Gaz`> nice
Mar 15 04:40:02 <Gaz`> cant wait to get this working
Mar 15 04:40:07 <Gaz`> extremely simple xml defeatign me
Mar 15 04:40:13 <Gaz`> because "Simple XML" is not simple at all
Mar 15 04:41:06 <Leeds> QubeZ: isn't it simple?  don't you just have to have the ability to mark everything as "mañana"? :)
Mar 15 04:41:14 <QubeZ> Leeds: hehe
Mar 15 04:41:28 <QubeZ> lucky for me, my wife in half venezuelan
Mar 15 04:41:36 <QubeZ> she actually jus went through my strings.xml hehe
Mar 15 04:42:12 <Leeds> yeah, I got my gf to translate my main app to Chinese
Mar 15 04:46:45 * Gaz` screams in agony
Mar 15 04:47:10 <Gaz`> might have to make my first post on stackoverflow
Mar 15 04:47:14 <Gaz`> or kill myself
Mar 15 04:57:40 <Afzal> Gaz, just use regular expressions
Mar 15 05:00:08 <Gaz`> this will work im just missing somethign simple, ive parsed like 20 other xml streams using this same lib
Mar 15 05:00:12 <Gaz`> its just weird
Mar 15 05:08:24 <QubeZ> do <string> tags honor spaces? like <string name="test"> Yo </string> ?
Mar 15 05:08:52 <cr5315> I think so
Mar 15 05:32:28 <t0mless> QubeZ yes
Mar 15 05:32:53 <QubeZ> oh thank goodness
Mar 15 06:55:04 <JakeWharton> How can I set a custom Drawable class as the action bar tab selector?
Mar 15 06:55:18 <JakeWharton> without walking the window's tree to get at the Views
Mar 15 06:56:26 <JakeWharton> is there any way to specify a class in a drawable XML somehow?
Mar 15 06:57:06 <Rayer> I don't sure if its your need, find this view by context.getWindowManager().getDecorView()
Mar 15 06:57:21 <Rayer> then .findViewById() is it works maybe?
Mar 15 06:57:37 <JakeWharton> yeah i'd prefer to not walk the view tree though
Mar 15 06:59:36 <Rayer> oh I think I know what you want Maybe you want : Drawable target = context.getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.target);?
Mar 15 07:00:09 <Rayer> I don't sure if I have correct spelling, I have no IDE right now
Mar 15 07:04:03 <JakeWharton> it's a shame you can't create aliased resources by specifying a fully-qualified class name to a drawable
Mar 15 07:09:27 <KPlus> Do you guys just discuss about android development or someone can help me solving a doubt?
Mar 15 07:10:39 <JakeWharton> if you ask intelligently we will likely help
Mar 15 07:10:47 <JakeWharton> we're not big on hand holding
Mar 15 07:14:17 <KPlus> I don't understand how android knows what layout to use. If I create new .xml on the /layout folder and not specify R.layout.main, It uses the first on the alphabetical order .xml?
Mar 15 07:14:47 <JakeWharton> it won't use any
Mar 15 07:14:51 <JakeWharton> you have to call setContentView
Mar 15 07:15:36 <KPlus> but thats the strange part! I didn't called anything... Still It is using file.xml
Mar 15 07:16:19 <KPlus> I commented the part "setContentView(R.layout.main);
Mar 15 07:16:50 <KPlus> and It is using file.xml as layout
Mar 15 07:17:04 <KPlus> since /layout only has 2 items (file.xml and main.xml)
Mar 15 07:17:24 <KPlus> I guess it uses the first in alphabetical order, I'll test if other .xml
Mar 15 07:17:45 <Snuffel> you'll know when you change something in file.xml won't you
Mar 15 07:18:04 <JakeWharton> it only uses what you put in setContentVIew
Mar 15 07:18:18 <Rayer> maybe you edited wrong .java? just guess
Mar 15 07:18:20 <JakeWharton> recompile your project and you'll see that the activity is blank
Mar 15 07:18:57 <KPlus> Still seeing file.xml layout
Mar 15 07:19:21 <KPlus> and tried to find for setContentView on the main class, no results
Mar 15 07:19:31 <Rayer> try project->cleanup?
Mar 15 07:19:36 <KPlus> It is calling file.xml layout for somereason
Mar 15 07:19:48 <KPlus> Ok, I'll try, brb with the feedback
Mar 15 07:19:59 <Rayer> is there anything like ".inflate" or "LayoutInflater" ?
Mar 15 07:21:25 <KPlus> Oh man... sorry, I guess that is the reason, I'm using an Inflater, that's right... Sorry for bothering you two. :(
Mar 15 07:21:34 <Snuffel> pffff
Mar 15 07:22:10 <KPlus> I'll read the reference for everyclass I'm using for not bother people anymore.
Mar 15 07:22:15 <KPlus> Thanks for the patient!
Mar 15 08:04:16 <lut4rp> Man, ACRA is fantastic
Mar 15 08:11:59 <Rayer> +1
Mar 15 08:20:20 <xertoz> is there any layout behavior that is somewhat like a float:left; of HTML/CSS?
Mar 15 08:20:46 <xertoz> (dynamic width of a table, changing the number of columns of sort)
Mar 15 08:20:49 <Afzal> anyone use screen here?
Mar 15 08:21:57 <alex_PP> a long time ago
Mar 15 08:22:54 <Afzal> what do you mean, a long time ago? what replaced it?
Mar 15 08:22:56 <Leeds> screen as in the terminal multiplexer?
Mar 15 08:23:09 <Afzal> yeah
Mar 15 08:23:13 <Leeds> every day
Mar 15 08:23:19 <Afzal> that awesome thing that i just discovered
Mar 15 08:23:20 <Afzal> XD
Mar 15 08:23:35 <alex_PP> a long time ago, as i've not had need recently
Mar 15 08:23:45 <Zider> I've been using it daily for several years
Mar 15 08:24:21 <Rayer> float:left?
Mar 15 08:24:39 <Rayer> maybe trying android:layout_alignxxx or gravity
Mar 15 08:25:46 <Afzal> Leeds, does the "reset" command actually clear all your previous output in the terminal (with screen) ?
Mar 15 08:26:13 <Leeds> yup, it appears to
Mar 15 08:26:53 <Afzal> mine just adds blank space...same when i open a new terminal window, lots of blank space before the prompt
Mar 15 08:27:06 <Leeds> well, it clears the 'screen' - the content is still there in the scrollback buffer
Mar 15 08:27:40 <Afzal> but reset is supposed to clear the scrollback buffer too, otherwise what's the difference b/w clear and reset
Mar 15 08:28:01 <Leeds> reset should also clear terminal settings, I think
Mar 15 08:28:09 <Leeds> hmm, this isn't #screen :)
Mar 15 08:28:21 <Afzal> lol yes
Mar 15 08:35:53 <NightmareApps> Hey, if I'm making multiple widgets, how can I make them all show up together when you go to select widget
Mar 15 08:36:47 <NightmareApps> Like for example it says Music (2 Widgets) and then on click it opens a new menu to pick
Mar 15 08:45:22 <Jimi`> does anybody know where to read about how to use scala for android applications?
Mar 15 08:46:51 <NightmareApps> Just in general?
Mar 15 08:46:59 <NightmareApps> or how to tutorial?
Mar 15 08:47:07 <Jimi`> either
Mar 15 08:47:16 <NightmareApps> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=off&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=android%20scala&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=8229844274f67c87&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1920&bih=1019
Mar 15 08:58:41 <tapas> damnit.. the completion stopped working in android xml layout files
Mar 15 08:58:43 <tapas> in eclipse
Mar 15 08:58:45 <tapas> i wonder what's up
Mar 15 08:59:06 <Mikellip>  restart eclipse :-P
Mar 15 08:59:25 <tapas> hrmpf
Mar 15 08:59:38 <tapas> that was it
Mar 15 08:59:39 <tapas> gnah
Mar 15 08:59:40 <tapas> :D
Mar 15 08:59:42 <tapas> thanks
Mar 15 09:02:14 <NightmareApps> Mikellip: know anything about widgets?
Mar 15 09:02:49 <NightmareApps> I'f im making an app that has multiple widgets, how can i make them all show up grouped in the widget selector?
Mar 15 09:04:08 <sasson> Hey guys
Mar 15 09:05:16 <tapas> hmm, what's the canonical way of creating a button using a drawable selector and place text on top of it?
Mar 15 09:05:18 <sasson> I'm trying to switch between views. I'm calling removeAllViews() and then addView(), but what I get is the two views on top of each other... any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
Mar 15 09:10:24 <iivvoo> sasson perhaps you're calling removeAllViews on some inner view? Hard to tell without code
Mar 15 09:11:36 <aspic> It seems that my app does not load /res/layout-large (ie Galaxy Nexus still get the normal layout). Is there anything else I need to do=?
Mar 15 09:12:14 <sasson> I'm calling the removeAllViews from the view class variable, same variable I'm adding the other view to
Mar 15 09:16:04 <Rayer> maybe you should use .bringToFront() (sic) instead of removeAllView then addView?
Mar 15 09:16:49 <Rayer> or considering using viewswitcher(or what…. i can't type it correctly)
Mar 15 09:29:36 <iivvoo> aspic: do you have (x)large-screen / anyDensity support in android-manifest?
Mar 15 09:29:54 <iivvoo> anyone here who can shed some light on my android adk best practices question? http://stackoverflow.com/q/9615635/320057
Mar 15 09:30:08 <aspic> iivvoo: ah, dont think so.
Mar 15 09:30:10 <iivvoo> basically I'd like to know if it really is as cumbersome as described there :)
Mar 15 09:33:40 <aspic> iivvoo: doesnt seem to make a difference, I added support-screens (and -largeScreens="true") in the manifest.
Mar 15 09:34:17 <iivvoo> wouldn't know then, sorry
Mar 15 09:39:11 <sasson> for some reason every time I run in debug mode it seems like I have a break point in DexFile.class (which I never added), any one knows why it happens and how to remove it (there is no breack point viewable, but the running stops in DexFile.class until I press Play again)
Mar 15 09:41:04 <iivvoo> sasson clear all breakpoints?
Mar 15 09:42:39 <sasson> how stupid of me !
Mar 15 09:55:57 <XeruX> When a certain fragment is displayed I'd like to remove the back-stack (using several fragments for the purpose of logging in, when displaying one of these fragments, I add it to the backstack..) once logged in, the backstack should be cleared.. but when I do fragmentManager.popBackStack(null, FragmentManager.POP_BACK_STACK_INCLUSIVE), onCreateView of the fragment in the backstack is still executed
Mar 15 09:56:03 <XeruX> and also, displayed.. when it shouldn't be
Mar 15 09:57:48 <Dark-Side> iivvoo: you can do adb via ip for debugging
Mar 15 09:58:10 <iivvoo> dark-side interesting. is that documented somewhere?
Mar 15 09:58:26 <iivvoo> (I should probably google that :)
Mar 15 09:58:32 <Dark-Side> yes, yes you should
Mar 15 09:59:31 <ddreamer> hi
Mar 15 09:59:34 <ddreamer> is there a way to know in which screen mode my AVD is running? (ldpi,mdpi,...) ? i have several icons in different directories and want to know where it's taking them from
Mar 15 10:00:02 <Dark-Side> iivvoo: essentially 3 is correct but without the remote debugging in it
Mar 15 10:09:45 <sasson> any ideas how I can clear the view which is displayed?
Mar 15 10:14:06 <tapas> hmm, i have inherited Button so i can set our own ttf font in it: http://pastesite.com/32863
Mar 15 10:14:13 <tapas> and we use it in a layout like this:
Mar 15 10:14:40 <tapas> http://pastesite.com/32864
Mar 15 10:14:53 <tapas> but it seems when onClick is set it doesn't react at all to clicks any more
Mar 15 10:14:57 <tapas> not even a state change
Mar 15 10:18:30 <alowaniak> that's extending a TextView... not a Button
Mar 15 10:18:35 <tapas> i haven't found a way to reference the ttf from the xml yet.. otherwise we wouldn't have to subclass the button
Mar 15 10:18:44 <tapas> alowaniak: oh, copy and paste bug :D
Mar 15 10:18:45 <tapas> thanks
Mar 15 10:18:47 <tapas> good eyes
Mar 15 10:19:02 <alowaniak> xD
Mar 15 10:19:09 <tapas> we had done the same for TextViews before ;D
Mar 15 10:19:41 <alowaniak> doesn't a textview and button show up completely diff though? :p
Mar 15 10:20:02 <tapas> it seems no :D
Mar 15 10:20:06 <alowaniak> lol
Mar 15 10:20:09 <tapas> ah yes one difference:
Mar 15 10:20:14 <tapas> no selected and focussed states
Mar 15 10:20:18 <alowaniak> hmk
Mar 15 10:20:18 <tapas> that's why we didn't see it :D
Mar 15 10:21:13 <fpu> hello
Mar 15 10:21:23 <NightmareApps> So i have this image of some pixel hearts that needs to stretch across 4 cells of homescreen widget. do I just create 4 copys based off dpi?
Mar 15 10:21:37 <fpu> Where Android apps keep their data? I don't mean .apk files, I mean for example notes, or save files in games, etc.
Mar 15 10:23:12 <fpu> Nevermind... :-) I found specific place used by this app
Mar 15 10:23:15 <alowaniak> data/package/ or something i think?
Mar 15 10:27:30 <DashCC> alowaniak: usually its /Android/data/<package>/
Mar 15 10:31:19 <kevwilde> is there a seperate channel for zxing questions?
Mar 15 10:56:18 <NutterzUK> Hey
Mar 15 10:56:49 <mikedg> hi
Mar 15 11:36:43 <storkme> how do i lose focus on an edittext to make the bloody keyboard go away when i kill my fragment?
Mar 15 11:40:01 <NutterzUK> As far as I can tell from looking around on stackoverflow, looks like you need to give something else focus to do that
Mar 15 11:40:08 <NutterzUK> Some more info here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6677969/tap-outside-edittext-to-lose-focus
Mar 15 11:41:28 <storkme> how odd
Mar 15 11:41:50 <NutterzUK> yeah, it's not a problem i've had before as I've not really needed to do that, but seems strange there is no easy way
Mar 15 11:42:15 <NutterzUK> just some kind of edittext.setFocus(false) would be nice
Mar 15 11:42:40 <storkme> i know right
Mar 15 11:43:56 <NutterzUK> I think this one is what you might want though:
Mar 15 11:44:00 <NutterzUK> InputMethodManager imm = (InputMethodManager) view.getContext()
Mar 15 11:44:00 <NutterzUK>             .getSystemService(Context.INPUT_METHOD_SERVICE);
Mar 15 11:44:00 <NutterzUK>     imm.hideSoftInputFromWindow(view.getWindowToken(), 0);
Mar 15 11:44:15 <NutterzUK> I haven't tested it, but seems to shown working on stackoverflow
Mar 15 11:45:43 <storkme> yeah i'm doing that, doesn't seem to be working
Mar 15 11:46:26 <NutterzUK> hmm
Mar 15 11:46:33 <NutterzUK> Sorry, wish I could help then. I'm stumped too
Mar 15 11:46:55 <NutterzUK> Curios... I might have a play around with it myself, but can't promise anything
Mar 15 11:47:31 <alowaniak> there's no way to show/hide the keyboard yourself easily?
Mar 15 11:47:46 <storkme> doesn't seem like it
Mar 15 11:47:48 <alowaniak> weird
Mar 15 11:53:26 <NutterzUK> Testing something now, will let you know if it works
Mar 15 11:54:32 <NutterzUK> seems to...
Mar 15 11:54:49 <NutterzUK> let me send you a zip
Mar 15 11:54:50 <NutterzUK> one mo
Mar 15 11:55:27 <storkme> dw about it
Mar 15 11:55:33 <storkme> i think it's my viewpager that is the problem
Mar 15 11:55:37 <storkme> not the keyboard
Mar 15 11:55:50 <drlaban> NutterzUK: Please share the solution/pointers to the solution to the rest of us.
Mar 15 11:55:58 <NutterzUK> will do
Mar 15 11:56:45 <drlaban> NutterzUK: preKudos. :)
Mar 15 11:56:50 <NutterzUK> www.nutterzuk.com/android/TextEditTest.zip
Mar 15 11:56:54 <NutterzUK> I hope this is what you mean
Mar 15 11:58:12 <storkme> so i'm confused, with a viewpager + fragment adapter, you need to do your own tidying up afterwards right? otherwise the fragments are never removed from memory?
Mar 15 11:58:50 <NutterzUK> I have no experience with viewpagers / fragments sorry :(
Mar 15 11:59:14 <storkme> :(
Mar 15 11:59:56 <SimonVT> After what?
Mar 15 12:00:53 <storkme> when you're finished with it
Mar 15 12:01:18 <storkme> seems like the fragments i'm loading are never getting destroyed
Mar 15 12:01:39 <SimonVT> Usually the viewpagers are there for the lifetime of the activity
Mar 15 12:02:54 <storkme> not in my case
Mar 15 12:03:36 <SimonVT> Well yeah, if you just randomly remove it, you probably have to clean them up. Else they'll be there until the activity is destroyed
Mar 15 12:04:02 <Zharf> any tips on this
Mar 15 12:04:07 <Zharf> /home/eclipser/android-ndk-r7b/platforms/android-8/arch-arm/usr/include/sys/prctl.h:41: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'extern'
Mar 15 12:04:16 <Zharf> it's just weird..
Mar 15 12:04:25 <storkme> fair enough
Mar 15 12:04:32 <storkme> i'm using the viewpager in a fragment
Mar 15 12:05:33 <SimonVT> Fragments in fragments? yo dawg :p
Mar 15 12:06:22 <storkme> i know right :/
Mar 15 12:07:25 <storkme> there are a lot of things wrong with this application and the thought process behind it
Mar 15 12:07:28 <storkme> this is just one of them
Mar 15 12:09:03 <anuron> hi
Mar 15 12:09:35 <NutterzUK> anuron: Hey
Mar 15 12:11:17 <anuron> I'm currently trying to customize ExpandableListView a bit, which means i want to place the group indicator myself, but the drawable (com.android.internal.R.styleable.ExpandableListView_groupIndicator) is in an internal package, is there any way of getting this obviously theme dependant drawable?
Mar 15 12:15:24 <hrnt> anuron: I do it like this: http://pastebin.com/DeQYg419
Mar 15 12:16:26 <hrnt> dunno if that is the best way
Mar 15 12:16:45 <anuron> that gives me a indicator but its of very poor quality
Mar 15 12:16:53 <storkme> i do really fucking hate fragments sometimes
Mar 15 12:17:26 <anuron> hrnt: thats working fine for you?
Mar 15 12:17:34 <hrnt> yes
Mar 15 12:19:51 <SimonVT> storkme: Just gotta use them right :p
Mar 15 12:22:44 <anuron> hrnt: how do you size it in your .xml?
Mar 15 12:29:00 <storkme> or use hem wrong and bitch about them acting weirdly
Mar 15 12:29:11 <hrnt> anuron: i use wrap_content for width/height
Mar 15 12:29:39 <anuron> mhm thats working fine
Mar 15 12:29:51 <anuron> thanks for the tip
Mar 15 12:33:34 <drlaban> Ugh, this one should be simple enough but I can't get it to work. I'm using strings.xml to store various URL's to RSS-feeds.
Mar 15 12:34:02 <drlaban> These URL's contain ampersands (&) and I've escaped them with &amp; where needed.
Mar 15 12:34:59 <drlaban> Problem: When feeding these URL's to Url url = new Url(myFunkyUrl), all the information after the first & is truncated/deleted/removed.
Mar 15 12:35:24 <hrnt> drlaban: you don't escape URL ampersands with &amp;
Mar 15 12:36:15 <hrnt> drlaban: use URLEncoder, don't try to reinvent the wheel
Mar 15 12:36:17 <drlaban> hrnt: How do I go about this? If I remove &amp; from the xml, Eclipse gets mad at me.
Mar 15 12:36:36 <storkme> so i have a fragment with a viewpager and two subfragments in it, when i add this parent fragment to the view it initializes the two sub fragments and all is well. then i remove it from the view, and it's killed, but the two sub fragments remain alive - so when i re-add the parent fragment to the view everything just fucks up
Mar 15 12:36:37 <hrnt> you need to do both
Mar 15 12:37:12 <hrnt> drlaban: actually, can you give us an example URL
Mar 15 12:37:43 <drlaban> hrnt: Alright, keep the &amp; in the XML and use URLEncoder in the java class where I want to read from a URL? (Example coming in a bit)
Mar 15 12:37:57 <hrnt> well, it depends on where you have the ampersand in the URL :)
Mar 15 12:38:10 <hrnt> if you store the query parameters in the XML, then you don't need to URL encode them
Mar 15 12:38:13 <drlaban> hrnt: I'll go and do some pastebin wizardry
Mar 15 12:38:29 <hrnt> on the other hand, if those ampersands are not meant for query parameters, then you do need to URL encode
Mar 15 12:42:51 <drlaban> hrnt: http://pastebin.com/EHUqsJsT
Mar 15 12:44:54 <hrnt> drlaban: ok, you shouldn't URL encode that
Mar 15 12:46:13 <drlaban> hrnt: This is bloody weird... I'll do some more extensive testing and see what all this is coming to.
Mar 15 12:46:23 <drlaban> hrnt: Thanks for the helping hand.
Mar 15 12:53:26 <sasson> how can I refresh a layout?
Mar 15 12:53:42 <sasson> (like when holding phone horizontal and vertical)
Mar 15 12:56:08 <storkme> so why aren't fragments supported in a viewpager in a fragment? seems like it's a fairly useful thing to be able to do
Mar 15 12:56:24 <hrnt> sasson: that should happen automatically in android
Mar 15 12:56:36 <hrnt> sasson: you can create a separate layout for portrait and landscape
Mar 15 12:58:33 <sasson> hrnt, what happens is that I try to switch views, (removeAllViews then addView) and I have both views sitting on top of each other. but when I flip the phone horizontal it cleans and only the currect view stays... I'm guessing it's refreshing somehow, now I want to do that without the horizontal/vertical thing...
Mar 15 12:59:21 <hrnt> sasson: the default behaviour in android is that your activity is killed when the orientation changes
Mar 15 12:59:38 <hrnt> and then created again
Mar 15 12:59:57 <mikedg> you are not saving and restoring the state on orientation change
Mar 15 13:07:01 <lut4rp> hrm
Mar 15 13:07:13 <lut4rp> I can't delete things inside /sdcard/Android/data/
Mar 15 13:07:17 <lut4rp> (on my Galaxy Nexus)
Mar 15 13:07:26 <lut4rp> I clearly remember being able to do that on my old HTC Desire
Mar 15 13:07:33 * lut4rp has root access
Mar 15 13:07:37 <lut4rp> Pointers?
Mar 15 13:12:44 <wongk> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/why-i-left-google.aspx
Mar 15 13:13:00 <`z> "why i left goldman sachs"
Mar 15 13:15:53 <MDijkstra> "why I left the chocolate factory"
Mar 15 13:16:10 <Zharf> who's that
Mar 15 13:16:31 <MDijkstra> o. loompa
Mar 15 13:16:47 <`z> "why I left the milky way"
Mar 15 13:28:57 <tapas> hmm, interesting i have an include in my xml and in that included xml file there's a relativelayout with an id..
Mar 15 13:30:05 <readme> tapas: yep
Mar 15 13:30:13 <readme> pretty nifty, right
Mar 15 13:30:32 <tapas> so i get the view of the include and then do a findVewById of the relative layout
Mar 15 13:30:43 <readme> nope
Mar 15 13:30:47 <tapas> registering a onClickListener on that fails with a null pointer exception :D
Mar 15 13:30:52 <readme> the include merges the layout for you, you can pretend the include isn't there
Mar 15 13:30:58 <tapas> hmm
Mar 15 13:31:06 <readme> just like a c/c++ #include
Mar 15 13:31:13 <tapas> but it's given an id..
Mar 15 13:31:18 <readme> it doesn't need one, though
Mar 15 13:31:26 <readme> http://www.curious-creature.org/2009/02/25/android-layout-trick-2-include-to-reuse/
Mar 15 13:31:32 <readme> maybe you can use it
Mar 15 13:31:35 <readme> I don't, personally
Mar 15 13:31:39 <tapas> well, the thing is i have several of these
Mar 15 13:31:45 <tapas> taking a look
Mar 15 13:31:46 <alowaniak> is there an easy way to change a checkbox's check color?
Mar 15 13:32:26 <alowaniak> i know there's a setButtonDrawable, but I would rather have a setCheckColor or something easy like that tbh
Mar 15 13:32:38 <bestKoderEver> hi.. i can no longer click on my arrayadapter.. after ive put: style="@style/list_item_wh to its textview layout..
Mar 15 13:32:52 <readme> tapas: ah, i guess the id there overrides the id of the root view.. I hadn't been using this feature though. I just used the root view id
Mar 15 13:33:06 <bestKoderEver> it wont react to clicks no more..the arrayadapter..or the list..both?..
Mar 15 13:33:08 <SimonVT> alowaniak: Have to set new drawables
Mar 15 13:33:29 <alowaniak> so how does that work exactly? (not too sure on how drawables work etc)
Mar 15 13:33:37 <alowaniak> do i have to make an image of the checkmark?
Mar 15 13:34:20 <SimonVT> The checkbox graphics is just a statelistdrawable defined in xml
Mar 15 13:34:29 <SimonVT> If you want to change how it looks, define your own statelistdrawable
Mar 15 13:35:11 <tapas> readme: yeah.. that was the reason for the layout in the included file to be not found
Mar 15 13:35:53 <alowaniak> k, thnx SimonVT  you happen to know where i can find that default xml?
Mar 15 13:37:01 <readme> its fine though, because you can just use the id from the include to reference it
Mar 15 13:37:19 <SimonVT> Look in the framework drawables
Mar 15 13:37:24 <SimonVT> It's called somthing with "check" iirc
Mar 15 13:40:15 <alowaniak> ah think i got it, thnx SimonVT
Mar 15 13:45:49 <sha1sum> Is there a way to start Settings with a particular Fragment in 3.0+
Mar 15 13:46:44 <sha1sum> Also, is there a way to detect which subkeys (back, home, search, etc.) are available on a device?
Mar 15 13:50:23 <bestKoderEver> hi.. i can no longer click on my arrayadapter.. after ive put: style="@style/list_item_wh to its textview layout..
Mar 15 13:50:37 <bestKoderEver> any ideas? ive read this is a common problem..
Mar 15 13:58:56 <VJTachyon> bestKoderEver: so you have a custom layout you are inflating in the listview and you are applying a style to a textview in that layout?
Mar 15 14:03:35 <sha1sum> mostModestKoderEver: what is the style declaration?
Mar 15 14:07:25 <bestKoderEver> VJTachyon correct!
Mar 15 14:09:08 <bestKoderEver> VJTachyon and then, when the listitem is clicked on, a style event happens instead, like change listitem color, but i also want to fire up the: listview.setOnItemClickListener
Mar 15 14:09:36 <bestKoderEver> which will start a new intent..
Mar 15 14:10:45 <Dark-Side> Hey VJTachyon, how's it going?
Mar 15 14:11:19 <VJTachyon> Dark-Side: yo
Mar 15 14:11:46 <`z> yo
Mar 15 14:12:16 <banpdtr_> Hi all , I want to set gesture listener for a set of views.. The problem is , How can I differentiate the view which got the actual gesture?  There is no "View" item in the gesture detection callbacks :(
Mar 15 14:12:18 <Dark-Side> sorry i missed your pm the other day
Mar 15 14:12:46 <bestKoderEver> sha1sum  style="@style/list_item_wh"/>
Mar 15 14:13:49 <bestKoderEver> must one extend ListView if one need it to be clickable with a style in it..?
Mar 15 14:17:27 <SimonVT> nope
Mar 15 14:18:08 <Dark-Side> bestKoderEver: have you set the parent for your style?
Mar 15 14:18:22 <Cinetik> hey there, i need some help on my application, especially about a code designing problem. I have a main activity with 2 fragment. one on the left for the menu which switches between other fragments (differente menus that i add to backstack) and a viewfragment that is supposed to be a fragment displaying exercices and stuff but i don't know if i can work like i do for the left part. Like
Mar 15 14:18:22 <Cinetik> using fragmenttransaction.replace() method
Mar 15 14:19:23 <QubeZ> SimonVT: I used the default theme, Holo and DeviceDefault to cover all Android devices in To Do Mapr. Thanks for the feedback yesterday.
Mar 15 14:19:33 <SimonVT> :)
Mar 15 14:20:02 <bestKoderEver> Dark-Side <style name="list_item_wh" parent="text_large_wh">
Mar 15 14:20:46 <QubeZ> SimonVT: only have 2 installs of my app on ICS so far but I bet those people are happy with a native look.
Mar 15 14:21:24 <QubeZ> Just got done localizing to spanish with my wife last night. Hope to push that out soon. This is exciting.
Mar 15 14:21:59 <SimonVT> It doesn't matter who you got, it's still a new app. It's about who you want. I'm sure there's a todo app or two that follows the ICS style quite well. ICS users are going to want to use those
Mar 15 14:22:28 <QubeZ> SimonVT: *nod*
Mar 15 14:22:53 <QubeZ> I still have a lot to learn but focusing on quality and going slow with changes.
Mar 15 14:23:03 <QubeZ> I see all of the bad comments for Astrid because it changes too fast
Mar 15 14:26:49 <bestKoderEver> Dark-Side why does styling affect click events?.. any idea?
Mar 15 14:27:57 <Dark-Side> no sorry bestKoderEver, i've not had that issue before
Mar 15 14:29:33 <VJTachyon> QubeZ: which apps are yours?
Mar 15 14:29:54 <QubeZ> VJTachyon: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.controlledsenility.android.todomapr
Mar 15 14:31:34 <code1> I'm trying to get the screen to turn on (after sleep) when my activity runs but can't seem to get it working. I'm using getWindow().setFlags but it has no affect!
Mar 15 14:38:15 <VJTachyon> QubeZ: looks pretty cool
Mar 15 14:38:24 <QubeZ> VJTachyon: Thanks.
Mar 15 14:38:40 <lov> Controlled Senility, LLC
Mar 15 14:38:43 <lov> god sounds like a company for me
Mar 15 14:38:48 * lov drools slightly
Mar 15 14:38:50 <VJTachyon> haha
Mar 15 14:39:00 <QubeZ> hehe, people give me shit for it but some people like it
Mar 15 14:39:23 <lov> honestly your app is something I'd bust a nut over if I still ran a bunch of errands
Mar 15 14:39:33 <sha1sum> Is there a way to start Settings with a particular Fragment in 3.0+?
Mar 15 14:39:43 <lov> as it stands the cloest thing I get to parallel parking lately is waiting for the train to back up when the new driver screws up
Mar 15 14:39:45 <QubeZ> lov: thanks man, thats a great compliment from you.
Mar 15 14:40:11 <sha1sum> We were calling com.android.settings.MasterClear before to bring up the factory reset, but it doesn't work the same way in honeycomb I guess.
Mar 15 14:40:13 <alowaniak> hmm an alertdialog has this blue seperator line
Mar 15 14:40:16 <alowaniak> any way to change this?
Mar 15 14:40:52 <lov> sha1sum: is that an Action or a classname? :P
Mar 15 14:41:04 <lov> sha1sum: I'd assume that there's an Action exposed somewhere that should be consistent on all devices
Mar 15 14:41:09 <sha1sum> class
Mar 15 14:41:24 <lov> though actually factory reset seems like something that you DON'T want to expose from the first intent :P
Mar 15 14:41:32 <sha1sum> well, I think there's an action to bring up the privacy settings, but not one specifically for masterclear
Mar 15 14:41:35 <lov> "Dear user: click here to experience true joy"
Mar 15 14:41:36 <lov> HURR OK
Mar 15 14:41:39 <lov> OH GOD MY PHONE
Mar 15 14:41:58 <sha1sum> lov: this is a diagnostics app, and if any of the tests fail we want to offer the factory reset
Mar 15 14:42:02 <lov> ah
Mar 15 14:42:05 <QubeZ> lov: wait til the web service comes online next month... its slick
Mar 15 14:42:17 <sha1sum> well, it still asks to confirm... It's the same thing as selecting it from settings.
Mar 15 14:42:35 <evancharlton> well yes, but approximately zero users ever go that far into settings
Mar 15 14:42:44 <lov> sha1sum: yeah, that's true, but we all know how much users read before clicking ok to anything
Mar 15 14:42:51 <lov> A FREE IPAD?!
Mar 15 14:42:53 <lov> YES IMMEDIATELY
Mar 15 14:43:06 <lov> OH GOD WHY IS MY TOASTER IN FLAMES
Mar 15 14:43:10 <sha1sum> lov: good thing we back up apps, contacts, sms messages, etc. ;)
Mar 15 14:44:09 <sha1sum> "The Apple factory in China has just announced that it has halted production due to a surplus of devices. To get your free iPad, just tap 'Factory Reset' on the next screen!"
Mar 15 14:44:41 <alowaniak> i would def do a factory reset to get a free ipad
Mar 15 14:44:54 <`z> lol
Mar 15 14:45:02 <evancharlton> I would totally factory reset alowaniak for a free ipad
Mar 15 14:45:07 <evancharlton> erm, his phone
Mar 15 14:45:12 <alowaniak> lol
Mar 15 14:46:17 <sha1sum> hmmm so I'm guessing that ACTION_PRIVACY_SETTINGS is about as close as we're going to get for honeycomb... ah well
Mar 15 14:46:38 <Yusuke> what do i need to write my own keypad
Mar 15 14:48:04 <code1> Hmm, anyone know how to wake up the screen when my activity starts (with startActivity) ?
Mar 15 14:48:48 <evancharlton> Yusuke: http://developer.android.com/resources/articles/on-screen-inputs.html http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/04/creating-input-method.html
Mar 15 14:48:59 <fatso> hi folks
Mar 15 14:49:25 <alowaniak> is there an easy way of changing how alertdialog looks? i'm not too good with themes etc
Mar 15 14:49:34 <alowaniak> basically i want to change the color of the blue seperator line
Mar 15 14:50:06 <fatso> afk
Mar 15 14:50:13 <mikedg> fatso: Brunch american apparel culpa retro anim tumblr. Artisan elit fanny pack, et food truck skateboard synth kogi williamsburg nisi. Dreamcatcher labore delectus vero pop-up butcher ethnic, duis proident carles raw denim ennui beard.
Mar 15 14:51:23 <Yusuke> eh
Mar 15 14:53:07 <NutterzUK> Is there a way in eclipse to show the graphical layout and the xml code for a layout at the same time without the tabs?
Mar 15 14:53:18 <NutterzUK> like split?
Mar 15 14:53:52 <alowaniak> copy to a tmp file then open in diff views an split? :p
Mar 15 14:54:26 <NutterzUK> lol, yeah that'll do :)
Mar 15 14:54:30 <NutterzUK> Thanks alawaniak
Mar 15 14:55:23 <NutterzUK> All my buttons and images are named "ImageView1"... "ImageView2"... all the way through to about 30, it's a relative layout so needed to be able to find / replace but needed to see which is which using the graphical layout.
Mar 15 14:55:23 <NutterzUK> Yep... I know.... lesson learned
Mar 15 14:55:30 <Dark-Side> NutterzUK: right click your file, click new editor, set one as xml one as graphics then put them side by side
Mar 15 14:55:51 <Dark-Side> your file in the tab at the top of the editor that is
Mar 15 14:56:34 <NutterzUK> thanks Dark-Side!
Mar 15 14:56:37 <NutterzUK> One mo, just trying now
Mar 15 14:57:59 <Dark-Side> Not sure if it'll give you the sort of action you are after though, one editor won't affect the other instantly
Mar 15 14:58:04 <NutterzUK> I don't see new editor :s
Mar 15 14:58:25 <Dark-Side> what version of eclipse are you using?
Mar 15 14:58:39 <NutterzUK> 3.7.2
Mar 15 14:59:02 <NutterzUK> Indigo
Mar 15 14:59:21 <Dark-Side> Weird mine is indigo too
Mar 15 14:59:31 <NutterzUK> aaah
Mar 15 14:59:34 <NutterzUK> Window > New editor
Mar 15 14:59:48 <NutterzUK> I was right clicking in the explorer
Mar 15 15:00:21 <NutterzUK> that's fantastic, got it
Mar 15 15:00:22 <NutterzUK> thanks!
Mar 15 15:04:57 <fatso> mikedg: the first letters of your words read 'baacrat aefp,et' ....
Mar 15 15:05:04 <fatso> what does it all mean ?!?!
Mar 15 15:07:02 <evancharlton> a comma is a letter?
Mar 15 15:07:38 <alowaniak> i'm getting a stackoverflow in eclipse gui designer :(
Mar 15 15:09:35 <canadiancow|work> evancharlton, it's between S and T in the alphabet
Mar 15 15:10:26 <fanno> grrrr android.view.WindowManager$BadTokenException is frustrating .... I cant figure out why this happen's google full or stuff about Dialog ... i am using showDialog ...  but still it happens ... (it happens on at android.view.ViewRoot.setView) and do not indicate Dialog or AlertDialog or ProgressDialog. Since there are so manny hits on Dialog ... what else can be a cause ? (when it happens inside the android framework ?)
Mar 15 15:11:01 <evancharlton> fanno: Y U NO SHOW SOURCE?
Mar 15 15:12:01 <alowaniak> also when does it happen etc?
Mar 15 15:13:50 <code1> Hmm finding a lot of bugs that seem to be from the platform. For example PowerManager.ON_AFTER_RELEASE isn't working and neither is getWindow().addFlags :(
Mar 15 15:14:36 <fanno> evancharlton: well i doubt sourec would help since it is inside the android framework it happen's, i am just trying to get idears what to look for other than the massive ammount of Dialog from google.
Mar 15 15:14:52 <code1> None of them make any difference. The screen switches off immediately when wake lock is released which means PowerManager.ON_AFTER_RELEASE isn't doing what it's supposed to!
Mar 15 15:15:01 <alowaniak> hmm i want to change the seperator of the holo AlertDialog
Mar 15 15:15:19 <alowaniak> is there an easy way to do this?
Mar 15 15:15:43 <evancharlton> fanno: no, you need to show us *your* source
Mar 15 15:15:49 <evancharlton> fanno: you're obviously doing something wrong
Mar 15 15:16:10 <alowaniak> i was hoping something like dialog.findViewById(titleDivider).setBackGround could be possible?
Mar 15 15:16:43 <alowaniak> alert_dialog_holo.xml appears to have @+id/titleDivider as id...? but idunno if i can somehow retreive that ID? since it's in the api
Mar 15 15:17:26 <SimonVT> If the ID is not public, you can't use it
Mar 15 15:17:56 <alowaniak> well idunno if it's not public...?
Mar 15 15:18:06 <evancharlton> alowaniak: you're going so far as to look at the source, and you haven't even looked at the theme?
Mar 15 15:18:17 <alowaniak> i srsly got no idea how to work with that stuff tbh:p
Mar 15 15:18:27 <evancharlton> so you just thought you'd skip it?
Mar 15 15:18:32 <alowaniak> i read something about setting a diff theme by calling builder with ContextWrapper
Mar 15 15:18:49 <alowaniak> but all that requires me to make my own theme
Mar 15 15:18:59 <alowaniak> while otherwise i could just use one line of code
Mar 15 15:19:01 <evancharlton> which is like 3 lines of XML
Mar 15 15:19:16 <alowaniak> ye but i also gotta figure out how that works
Mar 15 15:19:19 <SimonVT> Don't be lazy
Mar 15 15:19:31 <alowaniak> cause i got no idea how i gotta build the xml
Mar 15 15:20:20 <NutterzUK> Anyone got a good spotify playlist they listen to whilst coding? ( Just out of interest... mine has been almost on loop and i'm totally bored with it )... fancy sharing?
Mar 15 15:21:51 <evancharlton> alowaniak: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.attr.html <-- ctrl+f "divider", that's probably a good place to start
Mar 15 15:22:06 <fanno> evancharlton: this is jsut a guess on where it happens if i do something wrong and it has to do with xxxxxxxxxxDialog http://pastebin.com/FedBY6bn this class is extended in to most of my classes in this project
Mar 15 15:24:22 <Dark-Side> When you make your dialog are you giving it the current context or the app base context?
Mar 15 15:24:44 <fanno> Dark i use this
Mar 15 15:24:44 <kevwilde> when onPreviewCallback is executed for a Camera, it contains a byte[] data value containing the image. Is this the original non-rotated image or the rotated image (if i set a different orientation on the preview image)?
Mar 15 15:24:53 <fanno> Dark-Side: i use this
Mar 15 15:25:21 <tapas> it's weird.. on this samsung pad images don't get scaled up to fill at least one screen dimension with scaleType="centerInside"
Mar 15 15:25:27 <tapas> while in the emulator they do.. hmm
Mar 15 15:26:17 <alowaniak> i still can't figure it out with the attributes list tbh...
Mar 15 15:26:23 <alowaniak> that divider isn't added into the attributes
Mar 15 15:26:24 <fanno> Dark-Side: this do not happen every time. i incact cant recreate it my self also why it is so hard for me to locate.
Mar 15 15:26:58 <Dark-Side> It sounds like something i had happening when i wasn't using the base context
Mar 15 15:29:59 <digitalfallacy> hi, i am having difficulty implementing c2dm .... is something missing in this tutorial : http://www.vogella.de/articles/AndroidCloudToDeviceMessaging/article.html
Mar 15 15:30:15 <fanno> Dark-Side: http://pastebin.com/0PvS5iRW
Mar 15 15:30:20 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: I've gone through that article, it works.
Mar 15 15:31:04 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: Although I didn't implement the server portion at the time, I just used Curl to simulate the server (this was awhile ago before our server came online)
Mar 15 15:31:26 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: i have signed up for package name com.xyz.abc against my role id , dont i need to change it in code
Mar 15 15:32:39 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: I have got the code , from the source link at the end of the page..... is all i have to do is to run the code , ...... could you please point me out all that needs to be changed in the code
Mar 15 15:33:33 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: where exactly are you having issues? In my code, I have a Registration receiver, Message receiver and activity to show the registration.
Mar 15 15:33:48 <QubeZ> those 3 components, client side.... you can then use Curl to simulate the server and get your auth token
Mar 15 15:34:11 <tapas> is it expected that scaletype centerinside does not scale up above a certain size?
Mar 15 15:35:01 <Dark-Side> fanno: does the progress dialog live for longer than where you are calling it from?
Mar 15 15:36:33 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: I am trying to implement the server also ..... i am having difficulties understanding what all needs to be changed .... basically I am having difficulty in understanding the server side flow
Mar 15 15:37:02 <alowaniak> i srsly can't get this styles shit to work
Mar 15 15:37:09 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: ok, I can't help you there. I haven't dealt with the server-side. My buddy is doing that piece.
Mar 15 15:37:15 <QubeZ> I only work on client-side of C2DM
Mar 15 15:37:42 <gho5t> I have an animation going on my ImageView that rotates it. Once it's completed it goes back to its start position. How do I get it to stay?
Mar 15 15:37:58 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: you have the client working though? Test that first if you havent by using Curl to simulate server.
Mar 15 15:38:00 <digitalfallacy> could you ask you buddy to point me to the right way of doing things
Mar 15 15:38:16 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: msg me your email and I will ask him to reach out to you.
Mar 15 15:38:17 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: ok ... i will test the client first then
Mar 15 15:38:49 <sha1sum> where can browse through the honeycomb source for com.android.settings package online?
Mar 15 15:38:58 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: Yea, make sure you test client otherwise you'll go nuts with server when there is no problem.  Without a true server, using Curl, I was able to send messages to my phone.
Mar 15 15:40:25 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: is there any way to send it privately
Mar 15 15:40:39 <QubeZ> your email?
Mar 15 15:40:40 <evancharlton> android.googlesource.com
Mar 15 15:40:44 <evancharlton> sha1sum: ^
Mar 15 15:41:34 <digitalfallacy>  QubeZ : yeah ... i am no good with irc.... do whatever i write after your name only u can see that ?
Mar 15 15:41:43 <QubeZ> digitalfallacy: /msg QubeZ <your number>
Mar 15 15:42:45 <gho5t> I have an animation going on my ImageView that rotates it. Once it's completed it goes back to its start position. How do I get it to stay?
Mar 15 15:42:59 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: got my id ?
Mar 15 15:43:10 <QubeZ> *nod*
Mar 15 15:43:42 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: thanks buddy
Mar 15 15:44:17 <QubeZ> no worries, C2DM is hairy
Mar 15 15:44:20 <QubeZ> but fun
Mar 15 15:44:22 <QubeZ> and useful
Mar 15 15:44:32 <digitalfallacy> QubeZ: signing off .. take care
Mar 15 15:45:20 <QubeZ> later
Mar 15 15:46:18 <Mikellip> fanno: you should paste the entire error message too because it seems you're reading it wrong
Mar 15 15:46:45 <Mikellip> fanno: if you continue reading it should eventually mention the offending line in your Activity
Mar 15 15:49:41 <tneva82_> hiya. anybody could give good tutorial on how to properly deal with "reboot view when phone is flipped 90 degree"? Need pointers on how to properly ensure view comes back to same state. My idea of doing that is toss string as parameter(somehow) to "future self" and use it to decode state but a) can that be done b) is that the right way I don't know
Mar 15 15:50:13 <drlaban> QubeZ: Excuse me, but you mentioned using Curl to simulate a server/simulate server response. Now, that got me curious. You don't happen to have a link which exemplifies this in some way?
Mar 15 15:51:03 <drlaban> QubeZ: I can definitely see the use of it when developing in smaller scale or like you mentioned yourself, when there is no live host to connect to.
Mar 15 15:51:27 <QubeZ> drlaban: ya one sec, now what I mean by simulate the server is that it.. you feed the Curl command youre registration ID after you register your phone with C2DM. Once you feed the Curl command your reg ID, whitelist email and password, you get an auth token which you can then use to send a message to your device.
Mar 15 15:52:26 <Mikellip> tneva82_: this may be of interest: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/456211/activity-restart-on-rotation-android
Mar 15 15:52:33 <drlaban> QubeZ: Aaaah. That puts a bit more meat on how you used it. :)
Mar 15 15:52:41 <QubeZ> drlaban: http://www.vogella.de/articles/AndroidCloudToDeviceMessaging/article.html#tutorial_curl
Mar 15 15:52:56 <QubeZ> this at least validates your client code is working
Mar 15 15:53:26 <drlaban> QubeZ: That was what I was hoping for, thanks!
Mar 15 15:53:33 <QubeZ> drlaban: np
Mar 15 15:56:59 <lov> tneva82_: if your view keeps state, the activity using it should be the one handling restoring that state, most likely
Mar 15 15:57:26 <lov> tneva82_: at which point you can look at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ConfigurationChanges and how to save the activity state
Mar 15 15:58:21 <tneva82_> well. basically ability to form and store single string would be enough. I can quickly parse everything I need from that.
Mar 15 16:03:24 <NightmareApps> Any android devs available for testing??
Mar 15 16:03:52 <`z> We're selling Android developers!
Mar 15 16:04:01 <`z> You can take them out for a test spin!
Mar 15 16:04:07 <NightmareApps> Free test drive?
Mar 15 16:04:13 <`z> Would you like to try our testdrive program, NightmareApps?
Mar 15 16:04:19 <bourke> what's the best way to resolve a resource name conflict in two external libraries?
Mar 15 16:04:47 <bourke> for example, both ActionBarSherlock 4 and PullToRefreshView use headerBackground
Mar 15 16:04:54 <NightmareApps> bourke: refrence it by package?
Mar 15 16:05:10 <NightmareApps> com.package.ActionBarSherlock.headerBackground?
Mar 15 16:05:19 <bourke> NightmareApps: Im not actually referencing it though, its just that the compiler picks up that both libraries use this name..
Mar 15 16:05:35 <NightmareApps> oh.
Mar 15 16:05:41 <NightmareApps> not sure then sorry :\
Mar 15 16:05:55 <NightmareApps> and i'd love to `z
Mar 15 16:05:57 <SimonVT> Rename one of them :p
Mar 15 16:06:12 <bourke> that would be the easy way out but would rather not have to hack the libraries
Mar 15 16:07:01 <SimonVT> Well, someone has to do it - be it you or the devs of those libraries
Mar 15 16:07:23 <bourke> i dont mind doing it and submitting a pull request, but want to be sure that's actually whats needed
Mar 15 16:07:37 <bourke> JakeWharton: ^^
Mar 15 16:07:50 <SimonVT> Ideally lib projects should prefix their resources
Mar 15 16:07:52 <QubeZ> I dont understand how this conflict happens, isnt the point of packages to avoid naming conflicts?
Mar 15 16:08:25 <SimonVT> Most like wont happen with ABS as it tries to mimic the native API, and prefixes would cause confusion
Mar 15 16:08:49 <SimonVT> (Since certain attributes have to be duplicated for the compat part and the native part)
Mar 15 16:09:07 <SimonVT> QubeZ: All resources are merged into the main project
Mar 15 16:09:38 <SimonVT> Note that you can ref lib project resources with your.package.R.blah.resource
Mar 15 16:09:42 <QubeZ> SimonVT: whats the point of package names then?
Mar 15 16:09:48 <QubeZ> SimonVT: ok
Mar 15 16:19:00 <readme>   repo sync takes a very long time
Mar 15 16:19:15 <readme> been doing it for almost 24 hours
Mar 15 16:20:25 <gho5t> in the onAnimationEnd of an animation, what do I have to do to persist the new position of my view?
Mar 15 16:21:17 <hstefan> Say I have a android device with dual-core processor, I'd like to process a large amount of data with both cores (2 threads), what can I do to not getting the UI unresponsive?
Mar 15 16:21:43 <storkme> use a configurable thread pool so it scales to four cores
Mar 15 16:21:50 <storkme> for us opulent bastards with more money than sense
Mar 15 16:22:49 <hstefan> Yeah, it'll scale. I'm just using this as an example. So, how can I keep the UI responsive?
Mar 15 16:23:59 <HDroid> Don't do your work on the UI thread (duh) and leave a core available, I guess :)
Mar 15 16:25:10 <hstefan> Hmm... yeah...
Mar 15 16:27:27 <hstefan> Leaving one core just for the UI is kinda wastage...
Mar 15 16:27:59 <hstefan> But ok, I'll do it like that for now.
Mar 15 16:28:42 <QubeZ> is the market having issues? I log into my dev console and it errrors sometime saying I am not the owner of the application.
Mar 15 16:28:45 <QubeZ> then sometimes it loads
Mar 15 16:32:45 <fanno> Mikellip: there is nothing about my ap in the error message
Mar 15 16:33:26 <fanno> Dark-Side: i dont understand the question ?
Mar 15 16:35:56 <fanno> Mikellip: as you can se it is not the case: http://pastebin.com/RjffjQvV
Mar 15 16:37:33 <fanno> Mikellip: onlything that seems to indicate something interesting is at android.app.ActivityThread.handleResumeActivity(ActivityThread.java:3184) indicating it happens when app resumes.
Mar 15 16:38:57 * hackkitten waves at VJTachyon o/
Mar 15 16:40:51 <canadiancow|work> hackkitten waves at everyone !
Mar 15 16:41:06 * hackkitten doesn't wave at canadiancow
Mar 15 16:41:07 <hackkitten> :P
Mar 15 16:41:19 <mikedg> canadiancow cows at everyting
Mar 15 16:42:02 <VJTachyon> hackkitten: hola
Mar 15 16:42:07 <hackkitten> :)
Mar 15 16:42:21 <VJTachyon> hackkitten: one of my best friend is dutch btw :P
Mar 15 16:42:42 <hackkitten> I see :)
Mar 15 16:42:46 <hackkitten> it happens :3
Mar 15 16:42:51 <VJTachyon> indeed
Mar 15 16:43:00 <p_l> hackkitten: good afternyan
Mar 15 16:43:25 <QubeZ> damn the market is flaky today
Mar 15 16:43:41 <hackkitten> hi p_l :)
Mar 15 16:44:12 <p_l> hackkitten: btw, which group at google did you apply for?
Mar 15 16:44:54 <gho5t> HI. I have an animation that uses a translation. I want the view I move to stay there. Is the right way to do this by in OnAnimationEnd using LinearLayout.LayoutParams and margins?
Mar 15 16:45:07 <mikedg> google plus i bet
Mar 15 16:45:44 <hackkitten> p_l > General software engineer
Mar 15 16:45:48 <p_l> ahh
Mar 15 16:46:24 <gho5t> and if so, dare I say that is garbage
Mar 15 16:46:34 <gho5t> margins are going to effect the other views no?
Mar 15 16:48:35 <gho5t> who am I lewis and clark
Mar 15 16:49:18 <freecandy> What do I look like, Kreskin?
Mar 15 16:49:38 <freecandy> Am I the magician, David Copperballs?
Mar 15 16:50:03 <gho5t> am I freakin Magellan over here
Mar 15 16:50:08 * p_l wonders how fast *after* the interview will he know whether it's "no thanks", "call us in a year", or whatever
Mar 15 16:51:50 <p_l> (arguably SRE team is either 'easier' or 'quirkier' to get in...)
Mar 15 16:52:40 <gho5t> argh
Mar 15 16:52:56 <gho5t> I get it to persist the animation's final end point but of course its margins so it effects everything else
Mar 15 16:53:03 <gho5t> and they deprecated absolute layout
Mar 15 16:53:13 <gho5t> someone has to have hit this before
Mar 15 16:53:58 * gho5t waits for his hero to chirp in
Mar 15 16:54:24 <gho5t> some big sexy man please come help this single clueless blond
Mar 15 16:54:36 <p_l> ¬_¬
Mar 15 16:55:15 <sha1sum> gho5t: chest measurement? weight? percentage body fat?
Mar 15 16:58:32 <p_l> hackkitten: also, link please to your WildFox? (iirc the name properly?)
Mar 15 17:01:06 <hackkitten> p_l > www.mayaposch.com/wildfox.php
Mar 15 17:01:46 <lov> what in the what
Mar 15 17:02:16 * lov goes back to work and pretends -dev never happened
Mar 15 17:02:53 <p_l> hackkitten: I got pretty annoyed with people not believing that I could run with 100+ tabs open. Going to crashtest yet another browser on that :D
Mar 15 17:03:20 <p_l> (Chrome excluded from testing on basis of taking all resources before you reach 30)
Mar 15 17:03:52 <hackkitten> :)
Mar 15 17:04:03 <hackkitten> yeah, Chrome is pretty sucky with resource management
Mar 15 17:04:30 <p_l> *Chrome went to take a leak when resource management was given out, ftfy
Mar 15 17:04:39 <hackkitten> :D
Mar 15 17:05:35 <p_l> I believe it's the least efficient application on my computer since I deleted Eclipse
Mar 15 17:05:49 <gho5t> yeah chrome seems to delay loading pages too
Mar 15 17:05:51 <p_l> and it was a close shot in comparison
Mar 15 17:05:57 <gho5t> I might switch back to firefox
Mar 15 17:06:25 <mikedg> if apple releases a 4.2+ inch iphone, i'm in
Mar 15 17:06:35 <mikedg> fuck android
Mar 15 17:06:48 * p_l runs ~100 tabs with firefox
Mar 15 17:07:02 <Dark-Side> What do you look at in these 100 tabs?
Mar 15 17:07:19 <p_l> Dark-Side: a lot
Mar 15 17:07:26 <Dark-Side> a lot of what?
Mar 15 17:07:30 <gho5t> sounds stressful
Mar 15 17:07:30 <mikedg> the worst thing is when you have 100 tabs open in incognito mode
Mar 15 17:07:33 <mikedg> and then chrome crashes
Mar 15 17:09:09 <p_l> from some comics, through fanfiction, though a Forth book, through developer documentation related to Protocol Buffers and some half-assed PHP implementation of them, maven docs, Org-Mode, shell scripting, some blogs,...
Mar 15 17:09:59 <p_l> that comes up to 64 *now*. Yesterday or the day before I had a bit over 100, with some 10-20 tabs related to IBM mainframes, COBOL, JCL, S/370 assembly, etc.
Mar 15 17:10:48 <canadiancow|work> i just tried to swype "zynga"
Mar 15 17:10:51 <canadiancow|work> and it came out as "China"
Mar 15 17:10:54 <p_l> :D
Mar 15 17:11:11 <mikedg> zyngese are communists
Mar 15 17:13:33 <p_l> mikedg: what about Android that got you so mad, btw?
Mar 15 17:23:33 <canadiancow|work> [13:07:30] <mikedg> the worst thing is when you have 100 tabs open in incognito mode
Mar 15 17:23:33 <canadiancow|work> [13:07:33] <mikedg> and then chrome crashes
Mar 15 17:23:34 <canadiancow|work> +1
Mar 15 17:23:39 <canadiancow|work> chrome's been fucking up on me lately
Mar 15 17:23:59 <p_l> doesn't opening 100 tabs in chrome require >16GB of ram?
Mar 15 17:24:21 <mikedg> p_l: too expensive
Mar 15 17:24:30 <mikedg> if i just buy iphones, i buy 1 a year, if that
Mar 15 17:25:09 <p_l> ah
Mar 15 17:25:15 <mikedg> android has hit a boredom point too, 1000 fucking devices and no innovation
Mar 15 17:25:49 <p_l> well, I bought a device ~1.5 years ago, didn't replace it yet
Mar 15 17:26:01 <p_l> (and feel the pain because of that)
Mar 15 17:26:23 <QubeZ> dev'ing for Android is tough, but I have no idea how iOS is
Mar 15 17:26:34 <QubeZ> at least you have one device, one screen
Mar 15 17:27:42 <mikedg> xcode is an abomination
Mar 15 17:27:53 <QubeZ> oh?
Mar 15 17:27:56 <mikedg> all the ui flourishes and ex work they put into the os and iphone is completely missing
Mar 15 17:27:56 <QubeZ> never used it
Mar 15 17:27:58 <p_l> my very limited experience was that it's easier to understand Android Views than iOS UI stuff if you don't have Cocoa experience
Mar 15 17:28:04 <mikedg> ux work not ex
Mar 15 17:28:33 <QubeZ> mikedg: missing from xcode?
Mar 15 17:28:44 <p_l> meanwhile, iOS is very simplistic. It's just a normal Cocoa application running in restricted environment with single window
Mar 15 17:28:50 <canadiancow|work> QubeZ, i stand by my point of if the multiple screens is a problem ,you're doing it wrong
Mar 15 17:29:00 <canadiancow|work> the problems on android are when OEM's say HEY LET'S CHANGE LISTVIEW TO WORK DIFFERENTLY
Mar 15 17:29:00 <mikedg> yeah, its just like xcode was developed in this alternate universe with weird ui
Mar 15 17:29:28 <QubeZ> canadiancow|work: I understand that, but all the testing work that goes into it is still alot more work than iOS... that was the only point I was trying to make. I did a poor job of it.
Mar 15 17:29:42 <mikedg> netflix blog did a great article on testing yesterday
Mar 15 17:29:44 <mikedg> go find it
Mar 15 17:29:50 <mikedg> i think its like techblog.netflix.com or something
Mar 15 17:30:11 <QubeZ> yup, front and center
Mar 15 17:30:18 <lov> QubeZ: unfortunately, I'd say 90% of the testing overhead is figuring out how to deal with OEM fuckups
Mar 15 17:30:57 <canadiancow|work> google needs to find a way to tighten up the OEM crap
Mar 15 17:31:01 <QubeZ> so ICS DeviceDefault from a theming standpoint fixes that but what about OEM's still screwing up the open source Android code for their own device right?
Mar 15 17:31:16 <QubeZ> ya, OEM's need to just focus on hardware and not tweak the OS
Mar 15 17:31:20 <canadiancow|work> yea the holotheme is really nice
Mar 15 17:31:26 <canadiancow|work> or the fact that it's forced
Mar 15 17:31:42 <QubeZ> I mean i love my motorola razr, love motorola hardware in general (hdmi port) but i hate all that on top crap
Mar 15 17:31:46 <readme> guys did you know that the book OpenGLES 2.0 Programming Guide has a full set of Android projects?
Mar 15 17:31:49 <readme> :)
Mar 15 17:31:55 <p_l> canadiancow|work: I think I argued even before gingerbread that we need android separated into few packages, with upper layer (the actual Android stuff) being update-able by Google
Mar 15 17:32:15 <canadiancow|work> oh yea
Mar 15 17:32:18 <canadiancow|work> i agree there
Mar 15 17:32:20 <mikedg> if google tightens up the oem crap, then why do we need an open source os
Mar 15 17:32:24 <canadiancow|work> but the OEM still has to update the drivers
Mar 15 17:32:27 <mikedg> stop fucking bitching about dumb shit
Mar 15 17:32:27 <readme> ok, maybe not full, but nice
Mar 15 17:32:28 <p_l> hell, just *DVM* being backported back would be great
Mar 15 17:32:36 <p_l> canadiancow|work: not for *everything*
Mar 15 17:33:09 <readme> what color should google paint the bikeshed
Mar 15 17:33:43 <mikedg> the color krene
Mar 15 17:34:55 <p_l> mikedg: It's less about tightening up the OEMs, it's about separating the big monolithic block into smaller parts, so that you get some updates all over the board (because they don't introduce new API levels, or they are *just* API and don't impact drivers)
Mar 15 17:36:22 <p_l> reminds me to see if someone backported ICS DVM to 2.2
Mar 15 17:37:13 <canadiancow|work> p_l, so if OEMs can only touch an OPTIONAL (but default) ui overlay, and some preloaded apps in /data/, but google handled /system, that would be better, right?
Mar 15 17:37:54 <canadiancow|work> i just got a phonecall from the police
Mar 15 17:37:56 <canadiancow|work> it went to voicemail
Mar 15 17:38:05 <canadiancow|work> they're looking for someone ive never heard of
Mar 15 17:38:08 <canadiancow|work> and they said to call them back
Mar 15 17:38:11 <canadiancow|work> should i call?
Mar 15 17:38:19 <lov> you should check the number they gave
Mar 15 17:38:20 <lov> then call
Mar 15 17:38:29 <canadiancow|work> hah lol
Mar 15 17:38:48 <lov> DEAR SIR I AM SERGEANT NGONGO OF NIGERIA AND I WISH TO LEAVE YOU TEN MILLION PRISONERS
Mar 15 17:38:48 <SimonVT> "This number is registered to mikedg"
Mar 15 17:39:03 <Zooklubba> canadiancow|work, of course?
Mar 15 17:39:10 <p_l> canadiancow|work: or if there was "base android runtime", "hal", "optional APIs", "extension" layers, and a better approach for vendors to do their extensions in ways that would less impact developers
Mar 15 17:39:12 <Zooklubba> But I guess they'll call again
Mar 15 17:39:48 <canadiancow|work> lol lov
Mar 15 17:39:50 <p_l> canadiancow|work: DVM improvements don't really depend on other components, while delivering goodness all over
Mar 15 17:40:23 <p_l> similar with framework fixups
Mar 15 17:40:27 <canadiancow|work> ok the number they gave is the police
Mar 15 17:40:31 <canadiancow|work> i guess i'll call
Mar 15 17:41:30 <p_l> oh well, if wednesday goes well, I will be going around with a shiny GNexus
Mar 15 17:41:46 <canadiancow|work> bleh got voicemail
Mar 15 17:41:58 <canadiancow|work> i am not playing phone tag with the police over what is likely a wrong number
Mar 15 17:42:20 <Zooklubba> Just tell them that it's wrong number?
Mar 15 17:42:29 <QubeZ> uhhh the police didn't answer? heh
Mar 15 17:42:45 <Zooklubba> oh, you mean you called them?
Mar 15 17:42:53 <canadiancow|work> well main person answered
Mar 15 17:42:58 <canadiancow|work> i gave her hte extension that was in the message they left
Mar 15 17:43:01 <canadiancow|work> but then i got voicemail there
Mar 15 17:43:02 <p_l> also funnily enough the new design language in ICS probably improves speed thanks to all those solid colours
Mar 15 17:43:18 <canadiancow|work> im not going to leave a message that says "you have the wrong number"
Mar 15 17:43:25 <Zooklubba> How the heck do they lose a military plane
Mar 15 17:43:33 <p_l> Zooklubba: which one?
Mar 15 17:43:37 <Zooklubba> Norwegians
Mar 15 17:43:50 <p_l> ah, ismple, US stole it ^_-
Mar 15 17:43:52 <Zooklubba> http://www.expressen.se/ImageHandler.axd?imageFormat=secondColumn&guid=918fde9f-488e-4ac3-ab0c-c0faaf706711 quite large
Mar 15 17:44:09 <canadiancow|work> so how long does it usually take for devrel to reply to your emial
Mar 15 17:44:19 <canadiancow|work> because im about to hit 4 for 4 of no reply
Mar 15 17:44:35 <p_l> Zooklubba: ... did someone strap 8 JATO units to a Hercules?
Mar 15 17:45:28 <lov> canadiancow|work: you should probably leave the message saying that they have the wrong number, and/or that you don't know who that is
Mar 15 17:45:36 <lov> otherwise you'll get another call from the police
Mar 15 17:45:37 <Zooklubba> lol, p_l , I know nothing about missiles. But two newspapers have different pictures. They are from the norwegian defense
Mar 15 17:45:43 <canadiancow|work> i'd rather take another call
Mar 15 17:45:51 <canadiancow|work> becuase he said the name really fast, and i cant prononuce it
Mar 15 17:45:56 <canadiancow|work> or spell it
Mar 15 17:46:22 <p_l> Zooklubba: JATO are booster rockets
Mar 15 17:46:24 <mikedg> do you think theres a market for doing phone interviews for people?
Mar 15 17:46:38 <mikedg> like taking it in place of them
Mar 15 17:46:56 <Zooklubba> oh, i knew that! Remember from a mythbusters episode
Mar 15 17:47:01 <gho5t> I am calling removeView on my linearlayout but the view is not removed. Do I need to do something after that?
Mar 15 17:47:12 <canadiancow|work> mikedg: no
Mar 15 17:47:19 <canadiancow|work> they'd find out realy fast after hiring you that it wasnt you
Mar 15 17:47:24 <p_l> Zooklubba: also, it's *easy* to lose a plane
Mar 15 17:47:59 <mikedg> well that wouldnt be my problem would it?
Mar 15 17:48:12 <Zooklubba> Guess so, I would just imagine that they have a lot of traffic going to and from so they should know in quite good proximity where it is. But what the heck do I know. Just hope the crew is ok.
Mar 15 17:48:16 <canadiancow|work> mikedg: fraud
Mar 15 17:48:17 <canadiancow|work> impersonation
Mar 15 17:48:26 <mikedg> go back to canada
Mar 15 17:48:27 <canadiancow|work> it would be illegal in canada
Mar 15 17:48:34 <mikedg> america was buuilt on fraud
Mar 15 17:48:37 <Zooklubba> lol
Mar 15 17:48:45 <p_l> Zooklubba: you seem to forget that Norway isn't densely populated
Mar 15 17:49:29 <p_l> and military planes wouldn't use civilian satellite management uplink
Mar 15 17:49:52 <p_l> (which is how they could get an idea where that Airbus had crashed in Atlantic Ocean)
Mar 15 17:50:58 <Zooklubba> p_l, where are you from?
Mar 15 17:51:03 <gho5t> I am calling removeView on my linearlayout but the view is not removed. Do I need to do something after that?
Mar 15 17:51:05 <p_l> Zooklubba: Poland
Mar 15 17:51:30 <snooplsm> i'm really mad ICS is not coming to my HTC Incredible
Mar 15 17:51:33 <p_l> and had quite close relationship with aircraft accident investigation (not direct, but close)
Mar 15 17:51:47 <kamoricks> Can I have the contents of an activity inside another activity? Not started from, but inside a ScrollView?
Mar 15 17:51:52 <Zooklubba> interesting
Mar 15 17:51:54 <snooplsm> gho5t: requestLayout
Mar 15 17:52:40 <gho5t> nope
Mar 15 17:52:52 <gho5t> do I need to do this at a certain time?
Mar 15 17:53:00 <p_l> Zooklubba: and it seems the plane was in northern norway...
Mar 15 17:53:02 <pfn> kamoricks, maybe... if tabhost can do it...
Mar 15 17:53:08 <gho5t> snooplsm: I'm doing it in my activity's onCreate event
Mar 15 17:53:23 <Zooklubba> p_l, what I read northern Sweden. But quite the same. Not that populated :P
Mar 15 17:54:04 <p_l> that's, afaik, with not many people (outside of cities), and Trolls and other beings out there
Mar 15 17:54:08 <p_l> ;)
Mar 15 17:54:39 <p_l> Zooklubba: Ah, it was flying from Norway to Sweden
Mar 15 17:54:48 <p_l> and it appears it wasn't that far north
Mar 15 17:55:30 <QubeZ> i have a scrollview that when entered into the activity, it's scrolled to the bottom. How do I make sure its at the top of the scrollview? My layout is like RL -> EditText -> SV -> <stuff>
Mar 15 17:55:39 <QubeZ> I need the SV portion to always be at the top when activity is entered
Mar 15 17:56:29 <p_l> Zooklubba: the funny thing: i don't speak either Swedish nor Norwegian. I've read both newspapers in their native language without translate o_O
Mar 15 17:57:17 <delac> Trying to do bit edify scripting. Can anyone tell me what kind of bug might cause "E:Error in /tmp/sideload/package.zip (Status 2)"?
Mar 15 17:57:18 <Zooklubba> lol, nice
Mar 15 17:57:29 <kamoricks> pfn: Okay. Willing to be more specific? ScrollView has a View child, and Activity does no implement View.
Mar 15 17:58:42 <pfn> kamoricks, see how tabhost handles embedding activities in tabs, use a similar approach for embedding the activity in scrollview
Mar 15 18:07:44 <mikedg> which of you twits made qicr?
Mar 15 18:08:11 * pfn points at mikey
Mar 15 18:08:14 <pfn> or
Mar 15 18:08:15 <pfn> er
Mar 15 18:08:17 <mikedg> qicr lite used 500 megs of my data last night
Mar 15 18:08:26 <pfn> that's bogus
Mar 15 18:08:29 <snooplsm> what is qicr
Mar 15 18:08:33 <shlumph> lol.
Mar 15 18:08:37 <snooplsm> do you have unlimited?
Mar 15 18:08:41 <mikedg> damn right, thats bogus
Mar 15 18:08:45 <mikedg> it surely isnt excellent
Mar 15 18:08:54 <pfn> it doesn't use that much data
Mar 15 18:09:01 * pfn has problems with ics' data graphs anyway
Mar 15 18:09:06 <pfn> it always mis-reports everything
Mar 15 18:09:17 <pfn> (unrelated to qicr)
Mar 15 18:09:28 <pfn> e.g. I know I've downloaded like 4gb of stuff, the graph only shows 1gb
Mar 15 18:09:32 <mikedg> dont blame android
Mar 15 18:09:34 <Zider> I still run 3g watchdog, hasn't failed me yet.
Mar 15 18:09:41 <snooplsm> i was trying to download a 500mb file on my phone.  after 20 mins i noticed throtteling
Mar 15 18:09:42 <pfn> or the graph shows 4gb and it only itemizes out like 2gb
Mar 15 18:09:43 <mikedg> so what you are saying is qicr really downloaded 2 gigs?
Mar 15 18:09:58 <pfn> mikedg, just saying that the data graphs in ics are untrustworthy, if that's what you're using
Mar 15 18:10:11 <pfn> mikedg, unless you're joined to some crazy high-traffic channel
Mar 15 18:19:36 <readme> mikedg: how many IRC channels were you joined to?
Mar 15 18:19:49 <mikedg> none
Mar 15 18:20:11 <readme> why do you think it would it use all that data
Mar 15 18:20:33 <pfn> yeah, it doesn't, only explanation, you swapped uids of the app somehow
Mar 15 18:20:44 <pfn> backup/restore
Mar 15 18:20:44 <mikedg> says the hacker
Mar 15 18:20:55 <readme> how does android get its bw usage in ICS, ifconfig RX/TX?
Mar 15 18:21:09 <pfn> dunno, but however it is, unreliably
Mar 15 18:21:32 <readme> I feel like you should at least substantiate your claim that his software used 500mb with some evidence
Mar 15 18:21:37 <readme> or give us an experiment to repeat
Mar 15 18:21:51 <mikedg> use it, be hacked, and watch the numbers sky rocket
Mar 15 18:22:34 <readme> I'll audit it, but I very strongly doubt it's malware
Mar 15 18:22:54 <mikedg> it's probaby some lame fserve bot in it
Mar 15 18:23:09 <pfn> prove it with a screenshot
Mar 15 18:23:16 <mikedg> or the 7thsphere script i installed, but it should really run in a sandbox so its really not the scripts fault
Mar 15 18:23:30 <readme> "or the script i installed"
Mar 15 18:23:32 <readme> ok i think that settles it
Mar 15 18:23:56 <pfn> qicr doesn't run scripts yet  :p
Mar 15 18:24:04 * readme facepalm
Mar 15 18:24:17 <mikedg> im using the beta from xda
Mar 15 18:24:18 <readme> oh, I've had qicr installed for days
Mar 15 18:24:27 <readme> forgot abotut hat
Mar 15 18:25:09 <pfn> mikedg's being a troll now
Mar 15 18:25:31 <mikedg> your mom is being a troll
Mar 15 18:26:17 <readme> any recommendations for a bandwidth monitoring tool?
Mar 15 18:26:30 <readme> i'm on 2.3 here
Mar 15 18:26:59 <mikedg> readme: Fluke 190 Series II ScopeMeter
Mar 15 18:27:03 <mikedg> http://www.fluke.com/Fluke/usen/WhereToBuy/promotions/promo-scope/scopemeter-190-series-free-gift.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AgileCompete&utm_adgroup=Download-Before-Buy&utm_kw=tektronix%20oscilloscope&utm_matchtypeb&gclid=CK2u5dzD6a4CFYNo4AodBA5ALw
Mar 15 18:27:04 <aLeSD> hi all
Mar 15 18:27:09 <aLeSD> I have a design doubt
Mar 15 18:27:44 <aLeSD> I have a service that has to do something each 100ms ... which is the best way ? A Timer ?
Mar 15 18:28:03 <pfn> you have a design question
Mar 15 18:28:07 <mikedg> 4loop
Mar 15 18:28:24 <readme> aLeSD: a timer is a lousy thing to use, because it is so totally uncool.
Mar 15 18:28:35 <aLeSD> lol
Mar 15 18:28:40 <aLeSD> Handler ?
Mar 15 18:28:46 <mikedg> Hamler
Mar 15 18:29:04 <readme> either use this: http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/concurrent/ScheduledExecutorService.html or use a thread
Mar 15 18:29:27 <aLeSD> and another thing
Mar 15 18:29:35 <readme> if your service needs to do it every 100ms always, then you also need a wake lock.
Mar 15 18:29:47 <readme> which you can get from PowerManager
Mar 15 18:30:01 <readme> and bye bye batteries :)
Mar 15 18:30:34 <aLeSD> I am trying to simulate the Observer pattern . The Observable is the service and Observable are some classes
Mar 15 18:30:51 <aLeSD> the service run on a different thread
Mar 15 18:31:18 <aLeSD> all the Observers in another threads
Mar 15 18:31:33 <aLeSD> I am thinking to using Handlers
Mar 15 18:32:04 <aLeSD> and sending message to the Observers.. I mean in the IBinder the Obervers register in the Service the Handlers
Mar 15 18:32:06 <readme> you have to use one one way or another, whether directly or by using view.post or runOnUiThread
Mar 15 18:32:38 <readme> because in android the ui thread is sacred
Mar 15 18:32:52 <aLeSD> the question is : how many handlers I can register pre thread ?
Mar 15 18:32:58 <readme> no idea
Mar 15 18:32:59 <aLeSD> readme, the ui thread is another one
Mar 15 18:33:05 <readme> why do you need more than one?
Mar 15 18:33:30 <mikedg> 2 ui threads make everything go faster on dual core devices
Mar 15 18:33:31 <aLeSD> readme, cause I want one for each observers
Mar 15 18:33:54 <aLeSD> every observer recive different data from the service
Mar 15 18:33:54 <readme> you've already got a handler (runOnUiThread())
Mar 15 18:34:09 <aLeSD> just a moment
Mar 15 18:34:19 <aLeSD> I am not telling about ui
Mar 15 18:34:26 <readme> you want handlers on the service?
Mar 15 18:34:26 <aLeSD> it'a another thing
Mar 15 18:34:38 <aLeSD> the service send the message to the handlers
Mar 15 18:34:51 <readme> which thread are the handlers created on?
Mar 15 18:34:53 <aLeSD> the Observers register their handler by IBinder to the service
Mar 15 18:35:20 <aLeSD> up to now I have 1 ui thread , 1 service thread, 1 Observers thread
Mar 15 18:35:40 <readme> why the third thread?
Mar 15 18:35:57 <aLeSD> cause it uses a lot of CPU
Mar 15 18:36:05 <readme> i see
Mar 15 18:36:44 <aLeSD> and in a future imprementation I want to make it scalar ... adapting the number of Observer thread to the cores of the cpu
Mar 15 18:36:47 <aLeSD> is it possible ?
Mar 15 18:37:00 <readme> There is no reason to have more than one handler on the observer thread
Mar 15 18:37:15 <aLeSD> I explain my reason
Mar 15 18:37:22 <readme> I dont' think it's a good reason
Mar 15 18:37:41 <aLeSD> service collect different stuff. Each Observer observs a kind
Mar 15 18:38:00 <readme> Are these operations then put into a queue?
Mar 15 18:38:05 <readme> to be executed synchronously?
Mar 15 18:38:07 <aLeSD> if I can create an handler for each Observer ... the service will send the data to the corret observer
Mar 15 18:38:18 <gsingh> when is "measure(int, int)" called in a view, what I mean is during what actions?
Mar 15 18:38:22 <readme> as in: one handler - per observer thread?
Mar 15 18:38:24 <readme> that's fine?
Mar 15 18:38:26 <readme> that is ok.
Mar 15 18:38:37 <snooplsm> gsingh: you call measure if you need to know the dimensions
Mar 15 18:38:47 <snooplsm> pass in the width, height
Mar 15 18:38:49 <gsingh> I know its called before a view is created is it also called when a the view is pressed or clicked?
Mar 15 18:38:53 <readme> anyway i think your idea is fine. i would just write it and see what happens
Mar 15 18:38:57 <aLeSD> readme no
Mar 15 18:39:22 <aLeSD> ah
Mar 15 18:39:30 <aLeSD> you mean many handlers
Mar 15 18:39:34 * aLeSD is a pro
Mar 15 18:39:45 <gsingh> snooplsm: I know what its used for I just want to know what kind of "events" wil call it?
Mar 15 18:40:21 <readme> for each observer thread there is no need to have more than one handler, because you can define different types of message and runnable for the different kinds of operations it will do.
Mar 15 18:40:22 <gsingh> for example if i tap a button will measure get callled again?
Mar 15 18:40:29 <aLeSD> if I use more than an handler I can adapt the number of threads to the cores with no changes
Mar 15 18:40:49 <readme> ah
Mar 15 18:40:58 <aLeSD> you see
Mar 15 18:41:01 <readme> I see why you would want that now
Mar 15 18:41:19 <readme> you didn't say that before
Mar 15 18:41:34 <aLeSD> lol
Mar 15 18:41:43 <readme> I am still not sure if its required, though
Mar 15 18:42:12 <readme> I am going to try writing something like this later
Mar 15 18:42:43 <aLeSD> credits eh
Mar 15 18:43:00 <snooplsm> gsingh: any event that needs to figure out the placement
Mar 15 18:44:20 <readme> Can dalvik execute threads across multiple cores?
Mar 15 18:44:33 <p_l> readme: yes
Mar 15 18:44:40 <p_l> readme: it creates normal pthreads
Mar 15 18:45:03 <p_l> so it goes through NPTL and thus gives you concurrent threads on multiple cores
Mar 15 18:45:11 <gsingh> snooplsm: so when a event such a tap occurs onmeasure should be called because its size might say say for instance a expandablelistview which expands to show its children
Mar 15 18:45:28 <gsingh> its size might change*
Mar 15 18:45:29 <readme> that is awesome
Mar 15 18:47:31 <aLeSD> may I inherit from Handler ?
Mar 15 18:48:16 <readme> since it is not final, you can inherit from it
Mar 15 18:49:04 <aLeSD> and is there a problem to store a Sensor class ?
Mar 15 18:51:45 <readme_> I don't know
Mar 15 18:52:04 <aLeSD> cause store SensorEvent is a problem
Mar 15 18:52:20 <readme_> why, what problem do you have
Mar 15 18:52:37 <aLeSD> that Android use the same SensorEvent always
Mar 15 18:52:49 <aLeSD> so if you store it ... the values change
Mar 15 18:53:07 <lov> ... you could always cache a copy.
Mar 15 18:53:31 <aLeSD> lov how ? clone() ?
Mar 15 18:53:37 <lov> I don't think it overrides that
Mar 15 18:53:42 <lov> but there are like three properties
Mar 15 18:53:56 <aLeSD> I am sure it overrise it
Mar 15 18:53:57 <lov> copy accuracy and timestamp, and deep copy values
Mar 15 18:54:03 <readme|qicr> so, no exciting bw happenings yet
Mar 15 18:54:04 <lov> overrides what?
Mar 15 18:54:10 <lov> the completely new object that only you have a reference to?
Mar 15 18:54:11 <aLeSD> the SensorEvent
Mar 15 18:54:14 <lov> Create a new SensorEvent
Mar 15 18:54:25 <kevwilde> How does the ordering of a framelayout work? lowest xml element is rendered first?
Mar 15 18:54:34 <aLeSD> I can't ... contructor is not public
Mar 15 18:54:42 <aLeSD> I had to create a new class
Mar 15 18:54:56 <lov> Hmm!
Mar 15 18:55:03 <QubeZ> i think its top-down with framelayout...first one rendered then second one etc... so your last one would end up on top
Mar 15 18:55:11 <QubeZ> i think so
Mar 15 18:55:16 <lov> well, yeah, you could just create a new class since you're literally copying 3 variables
Mar 15 18:55:22 <kevwilde> QubeZ: thx, i'll check
Mar 15 18:55:27 <readme> it is
Mar 15 18:55:28 <lov> (don't forget to deep copy the array reference, don't just copy it)
Mar 15 18:55:31 <aLeSD> and cloning the arrya
Mar 15 18:55:59 <aLeSD> shadow copy is sufficient for an array of long
Mar 15 18:56:47 <lov> just use Array.copy
Mar 15 18:56:50 <lov> save everyone trouble.
Mar 15 18:56:51 <QubeZ> kevwilde: http://www.learn-android.com/2010/01/05/android-layout-tutorial/3/
Mar 15 18:58:00 <mikedg> just display the array and ask the user to rewrite the contents
Mar 15 18:58:36 <aLeSD> mmm .. a nooby java question if I inherit form a class I have to call the super() contructor ?
Mar 15 18:58:43 <kevwilde> QubeZ: thanks, one mor thing: if i switch the order of my custom view and a SurfaceView, i get a ClassCastException. When changing the sequence of Views, do I need to pay attention to something else?
Mar 15 18:58:49 <aLeSD> I mean it is different that C++
Mar 15 18:59:09 <QubeZ> kevwilde: never worked with SurfaceView, sorry
Mar 15 18:59:25 <readme> aLeSD: no, only if you want to invoke the parent constructor should you call super. if you override a constructor and don't call super, the parent constructor is not called.
Mar 15 18:59:46 <aLeSD> ok thanks
Mar 15 19:00:12 <QubeZ> cv            ass
Mar 15 19:00:19 <QubeZ> damn cat, sorry about that
Mar 15 19:00:55 <faint545> I've really never had much experience w/ animations in Android, but what is the suggested way of creating an animation icon for an action item in the actionbar? My goal is to have a refresh icon in the actionbar as an action item and when it is pressed the icon will rotate.
Mar 15 19:01:15 <canadiancow|work> you can put anything you want in the actionbar
Mar 15 19:01:37 <canadiancow|work> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/actionbar.html#ActionView
Mar 15 19:01:49 <wongk> faint545: ActionBarCompat does exactly that
Mar 15 19:02:21 <faint545> canadiancow|work: thanks for the reference.
Mar 15 19:06:07 <kevwilde> QubeZ: figured it out: you need to clean your project. After that it didn't happen anymore
Mar 15 19:06:08 <readme> aLeSD: hm, never mind. I think I was wrong. I did an experiment just now and the parent cons is called.
Mar 15 19:06:37 <aLeSD> ah
Mar 15 19:06:49 <QubeZ> kevwilde: that usually is the solution to issues like that... cool
Mar 15 19:07:44 <readme> "If a constructor does not explicitly invoke a superclass constructor, the Java compiler automatically inserts a call to the no-argument constructor of the superclass. If the super class does not have a no-argument constructor, you will get a compile-time error. Object does have such a constructor, so if Object is the only superclass, there is no problem."
Mar 15 19:07:53 <QubeZ> whats the diff between Sherlock and ActionBarCompat? Should I just use Sherlock?
Mar 15 19:08:23 <aLeSD> same then C++
Mar 15 19:08:31 <aLeSD> C++ teaches
Mar 15 19:09:02 <snooplsm> QubeZ: Sherlock has more features
Mar 15 19:09:29 <QubeZ> k
Mar 15 19:13:00 <VJTachyon> anybody speak german? :P
Mar 15 19:13:06 <canadiancow|work> why
Mar 15 19:13:31 <VJTachyon> i got a nasty review ... in german .. i think
Mar 15 19:13:35 <jeppy> hey will the sdk and eclipse work with only jdk7 installed?
Mar 15 19:13:48 <snooplsm> jeppy: intuition says yes
Mar 15 19:14:01 <VJTachyon> jdk6?
Mar 15 19:14:04 <snooplsm> ich sprechen sie deutchse
Mar 15 19:14:12 <VJTachyon> snooplsm: Sch***e	Völlich unnötig so ein sch**ß
Mar 15 19:14:18 <jeppy> 7 VJTachyon
Mar 15 19:14:32 <VJTachyon> sdk doesnt work with 7 does it?
Mar 15 19:14:34 <snooplsm> VJTachyon: no clue, had 1 semester of it
Mar 15 19:15:45 <SimonVT> VJTachyon: Google translate!
Mar 15 19:15:50 <SimonVT> Anyway, it's something with shit
Mar 15 19:17:31 <canadiancow|work> Shit, completely unnecessary, such a shit.
Mar 15 19:17:36 <canadiancow|work> VJTachyon
Mar 15 19:18:13 <pfn> jeppy, it'll work, but set source and target level to 1.5
Mar 15 19:18:23 <pfn> and of course, use only java 1.5/1.6 apis
Mar 15 19:18:49 <jeppy> pfn, ty
Mar 15 19:18:55 <VJTachyon> haha
Mar 15 19:19:00 <jeppy> lol
Mar 15 19:19:04 <VJTachyon> sweet
Mar 15 19:19:09 <jeppy> it's better than typing in german
Mar 15 19:19:31 <VJTachyon> well its not stopping 2000 downloads a day and a $1 in ad rev for every 1000 downloads
Mar 15 19:19:54 <VJTachyon> 1 million downloads here i come!
Mar 15 19:20:30 <pfn> jeppy, in all seriousness, you're better off downloading java6
Mar 15 19:20:37 <jasonmog> how do i detect if a bluetooth connection is open?
Mar 15 19:20:50 <jasonmog> the BluetoothSocket method isConnected() is only on 4.0+
Mar 15 19:22:02 <snooplsm> jasonmog: broadcast receiver
Mar 15 19:22:45 <jasonmog> i can use that to detect if a particular connection changes? not just the bluetooth service in general?
Mar 15 19:27:04 <shurane> How would I add arbitrary padding on the righthand side of a view? (brainfart)
Mar 15 19:27:25 <jasta> you mean margin?
Mar 15 19:27:54 <QubeZ> shurane: layout_marginRight for margins or paddingRight for the actual view
Mar 15 19:28:23 <shurane> Sure, maybe it's a margin? Just want to add some empty space on the right -- but not sure what i sould be looking for.
Mar 15 19:28:59 <shurane> I see, so margins is the answer. Cool.
Mar 15 19:37:17 <Rockmaninoff> i have a Fragment containing a ListView that populates fine
Mar 15 19:37:27 <Rockmaninoff> in onResume() i call notifyDataSetChanged() on its adapter
Mar 15 19:37:39 <Rockmaninoff> when i navigate to another Fragment and then back to the Fragment with the ListView, nothing shows up
Mar 15 19:37:41 <Rockmaninoff> does anyone know why?
Mar 15 19:40:34 <jasonmog> Logcat isn't updating?
Mar 15 19:40:41 <jasonmog> pause is not toggled
Mar 15 19:40:47 <jasonmog> no filters
Mar 15 19:41:06 <cr5315> You dun goofed
Mar 15 19:41:20 <jasonmog> consequences will never be the same
Mar 15 19:44:45 <canadiancow|work> can someone in the US tell me if you can donwload https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zynga.scramble
Mar 15 19:45:09 <QubeZ> says its compatible
Mar 15 19:45:28 <VJTachyon> evancharlton: thanks for the recommendation for a free version
Mar 15 19:46:01 <snooplsm> says I can download it
Mar 15 19:46:08 <QubeZ> canadiancow|work: Zynga makes money off ads only right?
Mar 15 19:46:42 <snooplsm> in app purchases
Mar 15 19:46:45 <snooplsm> i would imagine
Mar 15 19:46:56 <QubeZ> oh ya i see the comments about coin system
Mar 15 19:47:02 <QubeZ> not sure what that is, i dont play games on my phone
Mar 15 19:47:07 <canadiancow|work> QubeZ: no
Mar 15 19:47:11 <canadiancow|work> IAP
Mar 15 19:47:37 <QubeZ> does one need rights to make things like Scrabble?
Mar 15 19:47:40 <QubeZ> wondering
Mar 15 19:47:56 <readme> not unless you call it 'scrabble'
Mar 15 19:47:57 <canadiancow|work> Scrabble? yes
Mar 15 19:48:04 <canadiancow|work> readme it's more complicated than that
Mar 15 19:48:08 <canadiancow|work> look at the board layout in words with friends
Mar 15 19:48:12 <canadiancow|work> and compare it to scrabble
Mar 15 19:48:13 <canadiancow|work> it's different
Mar 15 19:48:16 <canadiancow|work> it might not even be the same size
Mar 15 19:48:46 <QubeZ> oh scramble... nevermind... I just subtituted scramble with scrabble.
Mar 15 19:48:53 <readme> scramble?
Mar 15 19:49:09 <QubeZ> game is called Scramble With Friends
Mar 15 19:49:15 <readme> lol
Mar 15 19:49:26 <canadiancow|work> you should download it
Mar 15 19:49:26 <readme> third-hand rip
Mar 15 19:49:29 <canadiancow|work> try it out a bit
Mar 15 19:49:37 <canadiancow|work> play against 'canadiancow'
Mar 15 19:49:40 <Zooklubba> I dont have any friends to play wit, lol
Mar 15 19:49:46 <readme> that's fine
Mar 15 19:49:59 <canadiancow|work> "Random Opponent"
Mar 15 19:50:09 <readme> you might get to play alec baldwin
Mar 15 19:51:02 <QubeZ> so what is IAP for words with friends?
Mar 15 19:51:07 <QubeZ> what charges?
Mar 15 19:51:10 <SimonVT> More letters!
Mar 15 19:51:11 <SimonVT> :p
Mar 15 19:51:12 <Zooklubba> Tried out wordfeud, played for like a week
Mar 15 19:51:21 <Zooklubba> and draw free a couple of days
Mar 15 19:51:37 <SimonVT> That draw game is kinda fun
Mar 15 19:51:47 <mikedg> SimonVT: my game is more fun
Mar 15 19:51:51 <mikedg> and you can play with yourself
Mar 15 19:52:00 <Zooklubba> which game mikedg?
Mar 15 19:52:02 <SimonVT> I cna play with myself without your game
Mar 15 19:52:13 <mikedg> its not publicly available yet Zooklubba
Mar 15 19:52:33 <QubeZ> beta release... in his bathroom
Mar 15 19:53:12 <canadiancow|work> ewww
Mar 15 19:53:19 <Zooklubba> lol
Mar 15 19:54:06 <SimonVT> Tss, bet words with friends is gonna steal all my contact information
Mar 15 19:54:24 <canadiancow|work> i assure you it only uses that so we can show you your ocntacts to play with
Mar 15 19:54:31 <QubeZ> it'll use your unused letters to spell your real last name
Mar 15 19:54:40 <SimonVT> That's what they all say! :p
Mar 15 19:54:44 <canadiancow|work> also how did we move from Scramble to Words
Mar 15 19:54:47 <canadiancow|work> Scramble is the new game :(
Mar 15 19:54:57 <mikedg> words is so much better
Mar 15 19:55:03 <mikedg> scramble is just a sloopy ios port
Mar 15 19:55:07 <canadiancow|work> T_T
Mar 15 19:55:09 <QubeZ> canadiancow|work: looks good, so what is your responsibility on this app?
Mar 15 19:55:18 <canadiancow|work> well i had my hands in many places
Mar 15 19:55:23 <canadiancow|work> but i did pretty much the whole game board
Mar 15 19:55:26 <canadiancow|work> and a lot of the logic around that
Mar 15 19:55:31 <mikedg> lame board, you mean
Mar 15 19:55:35 <canadiancow|work> T_T
Mar 15 19:55:37 <QubeZ> canadiancow|work: cool
Mar 15 19:55:47 <readme> you wrote words with friends?
Mar 15 19:55:52 <readme> or worked on it?
Mar 15 19:55:52 <canadiancow|work> hey evancharlton, wanna kick mikedg for me? :)
Mar 15 19:55:55 <canadiancow|work> no
Mar 15 19:55:59 <canadiancow|work> i have not worked on words with friends
Mar 15 19:56:01 <Zooklubba> lol
Mar 15 19:56:04 <readme> oh ok
Mar 15 19:56:05 <mikedg> we've all wrote words with friends
Mar 15 19:56:20 <mikedg> iswidt
Mar 15 19:56:29 <QubeZ> its pretty successful mikedg, why are you knocking their work?
Mar 15 19:56:44 <mikedg> cause butterscotch
Mar 15 19:56:54 <QubeZ> what?
Mar 15 19:56:57 <readme> nah he's trying to say we have all written words with our friends before
Mar 15 19:57:00 <Zooklubba> love this channel
Mar 15 19:57:03 <readme> in an attempt to confuse us
Mar 15 19:57:08 <QubeZ> im foreign, i dont understand how butterscotch is an answer
Mar 15 19:57:12 <readme> it isn't an answer
Mar 15 19:57:15 <mikedg> readme: hi five!
Mar 15 19:57:16 <readme> your foreignness is irrelevant
Mar 15 19:57:17 <readme> lol
Mar 15 19:57:19 <mikedg> lol
Mar 15 19:57:20 <QubeZ> hehe
Mar 15 19:57:27 <mikedg> readme is sharp today
Mar 15 19:57:33 <readme> omega 3 and sleep
Mar 15 19:57:39 <mikedg> like a papercut
Mar 15 19:57:51 <Zooklubba> fishes?
Mar 15 19:58:51 <fanno> *cry*, i am cery confused =( i have true anything i can think off ... i get the excact same stack as this guy (different line numbers, propearly different SDK) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5854290/why-does-resuming-an-activity-in-android-cause-badtokenexception none of the sugestions help =( i can't even recreate it =( i have tried anything i can think off =( -Thanks
Mar 15 20:02:12 <Zooklubba> ctate, did you get my email? Not sure if it is the same bug. It happened to me again. Weirdest thing.
Mar 15 20:02:54 <fanno> i even have founed reports where it happens from gmail app.
Mar 15 20:07:38 <sha1sum> fanno: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4187673/problems-creating-a-popup-window-in-android-activity <--- maybe?
Mar 15 20:09:04 <sha1sum> fanno: or: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4512896/activity-showdialog-when-activity-may-not-be-in-foreground
Mar 15 20:09:12 <sha1sum> different examples with Dialog and PopupWindow
Mar 15 20:09:20 <aLeSD> readme, alive ?
Mar 15 20:09:37 <aLeSD> I need a suggest
Mar 15 20:09:55 <Zooklubba> uhuh
Mar 15 20:10:34 <aLeSD> I need a fixed timer that run something each ns time. if the delay is big it does't queue the esecution
Mar 15 20:10:46 <aLeSD> some thing like a semaphote(0)
Mar 15 20:11:02 <aLeSD> something soft-realtime
Mar 15 20:11:10 <fanno> sha1sum: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24923 is the one from "gmail"
Mar 15 20:11:15 <aLeSD> and pure
Mar 15 20:11:37 <aLeSD> for example
Mar 15 20:12:14 <aLeSD> if you watch a movie .. and the system can't show each frame ... it shows the right frame for the moment
Mar 15 20:12:24 <aLeSD> and trash the unshowed frame
Mar 15 20:12:33 <readme> I'm not sure why you'd want a timer for that
Mar 15 20:12:36 <aLeSD> that kind of timer
Mar 15 20:12:44 <readme> you should juse keep the time in your own loop, I think
Mar 15 20:13:11 <aLeSD> mmm
Mar 15 20:13:21 <aLeSD> I can't put a wait there ...
Mar 15 20:13:27 * aLeSD thinking
Mar 15 20:13:32 <readme> why does this need any sort of "wait"?
Mar 15 20:13:49 <readme> (im assuming you mean sleep)
Mar 15 20:13:52 <aLeSD> sorry not coding wait
Mar 15 20:14:22 <aLeSD> if I put a sleep I am under the delay law
Mar 15 20:14:32 <aLeSD> I won't it
Mar 15 20:14:46 <readme> you should probably measure the time each frame takes and use that
Mar 15 20:14:59 <aLeSD> it's hackly
Mar 15 20:15:23 <readme> oh well, I am not an expert in this, so I can't comment further
Mar 15 20:15:25 <fanno> sha1sum: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4512896/activity-showdialog-when-activity-may-not-be-in-foreground is kinda what i am already doing ? tho i think tho i dont catch it i do it like this http://pastebin.com/FedBY6bn i check if the app is in foreground if not then i dont try to show it..
Mar 15 20:15:31 <Zooklubba> Some kind of timestamping and system nanotime aLeSD?
Mar 15 20:17:52 <cr5315> Has anyone had any issues with menus with action bar sherlock 4.0?
Mar 15 20:18:39 <aLeSD> a game loop
Mar 15 20:19:26 <aLeSD> maybe a timer that unlock a semaphore(0) in the thread
Mar 15 20:19:35 <canadiancow|work> cr5315: like....specifically....
Mar 15 20:19:41 <aLeSD> a fixed timer
Mar 15 20:20:26 <cr5315> canadiancow|work, http://pastebin.com/Xt89Yrpp
Mar 15 20:20:40 <aLeSD> unlock a semaphore is a fast operation ... but I am in doubt
Mar 15 20:20:57 <canadiancow|work> are you extending SherlockActivity or SherlockFragment or whatever?
Mar 15 20:21:15 <aLeSD> ah ... here I have a good question
Mar 15 20:21:37 <cr5315> SherlockActivity
Mar 15 20:21:51 <aLeSD> what happend if a thread is locked on a semaphore and something is catch by one of its handlers ?
Mar 15 20:21:59 <canadiancow|work> oh
Mar 15 20:22:38 <canadiancow|work> getSupportMenuInflater()
Mar 15 20:22:42 <canadiancow|work> not getMenuInflater()
Mar 15 20:22:44 <cr5315> Ah
Mar 15 20:22:45 <readme> http://www.amazon.com/Java-Concurrency-Practice-Brian-Goetz/dp/0321349601
Mar 15 20:22:45 <cr5315> Thanks
Mar 15 20:44:23 <faint545> is it not possible to use an AnimationDrawable as the icon for an Action Item and then perform the start() function on the AnimationDrawable when it is clicked?
Mar 15 20:54:21 <Sonic132> Anyone help me set up rom switching on my EVO 4G? Tried another channel but they said it was off topic.
Mar 15 20:56:07 <SimonVT> Try #android-root
Mar 15 20:56:10 <Ravenheart> same here
Mar 15 20:56:50 <Sonic132> Was that for me SimonVT?
Mar 15 20:57:09 <SimonVT> yes
Mar 15 20:57:33 <Sonic132> Ok Thanks SimonVT
Mar 15 20:58:51 <smw_> Hi all, I am trying to build a complicated project and I am running into errors. We have only ever tried building from eclipse and now we are moving to cli. when I compile, I get many errors but I believe it boils down to this. fpaste.org/G6HZ
Mar 15 20:59:05 <smw_> How do I reference the libraries from the android sdk
Mar 15 20:59:15 <pfn> building from cli should always be a priority when starting a project
Mar 15 20:59:22 <pfn> add the library reference in ant.properties
Mar 15 20:59:28 <smw_> I already installed the correct ones for my platform and did an andorid update project
Mar 15 20:59:33 <smw_> pfn, where is that?
Mar 15 20:59:40 <pfn> in your project
Mar 15 20:59:48 <smw_> thanks
Mar 15 20:59:51 <faint545> Can i use an AnimationDrawable as an ActionItem in the actionbar?
Mar 15 20:59:55 <SimonVT> Usually it's project.properties
Mar 15 21:00:10 <pfn> one of those files
Mar 15 21:00:20 <pfn> the sdk needlessly split up ant.properties vs. project.properties
Mar 15 21:00:23 <smw_> SimonVT, that I actually have ;-)
Mar 15 21:00:24 <pfn> too much confusion on what goes where
Mar 15 21:00:37 <pfn> sdk r15/r16 both create an ant.properties
Mar 15 21:00:42 <pfn> your sdk sounds out of date
Mar 15 21:00:57 <smw_> pfn, I just installed it
Mar 15 21:01:00 <pfn> ant why'd you need to specify ant -lib
Mar 15 21:01:06 <pfn> that's superfluous
Mar 15 21:01:45 <smw_> ah ha! local.properties!
Mar 15 21:01:47 <smw_> lol
Mar 15 21:01:51 <pfn> local.properties is not where it goes
Mar 15 21:01:59 <pfn> project.properties would be the place
Mar 15 21:02:00 <smw_> that has a link to the sdk dir...
Mar 15 21:02:07 <smw_> ok
Mar 15 21:02:11 <pfn> yes, local.properties is for local configuration
Mar 15 21:02:19 <smw_> pfn and what would I put in there?
Mar 15 21:02:27 <smw_> how would I link to it?
Mar 15 21:02:32 <pfn> link to what
Mar 15 21:02:38 <pfn> local.properties is read by the build.xml
Mar 15 21:02:56 <pfn> you'd only put in sdk path, and maybe your keystore passwords and paths
Mar 15 21:03:23 <code1> If you have an app called FooBar and the domain foobar.com what would you use as the package name? com.foobar ?
Mar 15 21:03:30 <pfn> com.foobar
Mar 15 21:03:37 <pfn> well, com.foobar.app probably
Mar 15 21:03:44 <pfn> unless all foobar.com will ever produce is only that app
Mar 15 21:03:50 <pfn> maybe com.foobar.android, etc.
Mar 15 21:04:01 <code1> yeah I was thinking com.foobar.android
Mar 15 21:04:25 <code1> package is something you can't change right
Mar 15 21:04:29 <pfn> e.g. cisco, if cisco had an app, they probably wouldn't package it under com.cisco or com.cisco.android
Mar 15 21:04:40 <pfn> code1, once published, you can't change it, not without forcing everyone to reinstall
Mar 15 21:04:56 <code1> what would cisco package it as?
Mar 15 21:04:57 <smw_> pfn, ah, I finally figured it out
Mar 15 21:05:12 <pfn> code1, depends on their needs, organization and whatever
Mar 15 21:05:13 <code1> actually scratch that
Mar 15 21:05:21 <pfn> maybe it's a voip app
Mar 15 21:05:23 <smw_> pfn, what do I put in to tell it "I have a directory of libraries there"
Mar 15 21:05:29 <pfn> maybe com.cisco.android.voip.phone
Mar 15 21:05:38 <pfn> smw_, project.properties documents it
Mar 15 21:05:41 <code1> they would name it after the app e.g. com.cisco.appname or whatever
Mar 15 21:06:04 <pfn> and for that matter, the package name doesn't necessarily have to match the app
Mar 15 21:06:12 <pfn> e.g. facebook's app, it is com.facebook.katana
Mar 15 21:06:41 <code1> so if you use com.appname and then decide you want to release a paid version?
Mar 15 21:06:52 <pfn> maybe .pro
Mar 15 21:06:53 <pfn> or .premium
Mar 15 21:07:11 <code1> so you can have one as com.appname and another as com.appname.pro?
Mar 15 21:07:33 <pfn> smw_, or so I thought, android.library.reference.N=relative-path
Mar 15 21:07:44 <pfn> smw_, I'm assuming you're trying to reference library projects and not jars
Mar 15 21:08:07 <SimonVT> I usually go the other way around and put com.url.appname.free :p
Mar 15 21:08:27 <smw_> pfn, nope, they are jars
Mar 15 21:08:33 <pfn> smw_, then put them in libs/
Mar 15 21:09:02 <code1> SimonVT: yeah but I mean if you started off with an app and then down the road decide to release a paid/free version
Mar 15 21:09:09 <smw_> pfn, will do. thanks
Mar 15 21:09:53 <code1> SimonVT: obviously if you know ahead of time if there will be a paid and free version it will be easier to manage
Mar 15 21:10:14 <pfn> the paypal here dongle is so ugly
Mar 15 21:10:33 <pfn> although I do like how it supports itself to prevent stress on the jack
Mar 15 21:10:42 <smw_> pfn, that solved so many of the build problems right there :-)
Mar 15 21:10:59 <code1> Does google allow you to release something under the package com.example.free after you already have one as com.example?
Mar 15 21:11:07 <pfn> code1, of course
Mar 15 21:11:14 <pfn> package names must be unique
Mar 15 21:11:20 <pfn> but otherwise, there is no official constraint on names
Mar 15 21:11:42 <code1> ok so it's not seen as a child of the same package then?
Mar 15 21:11:58 <pfn> no, package names are just names, they have no special meaning in the market
Mar 15 21:12:39 <code1> so no hierarchy?
Mar 15 21:12:51 <pfn> nothing enforced in the store, no
Mar 15 21:12:53 <SimonVT> It's just a string used as an id
Mar 15 21:13:04 <pfn> the store just sees it as an opaque identifier
Mar 15 21:13:38 <code1> ok and is it just the application package id that it cares about - i.e. you can change the package numbers in the source and it won't matter?
Mar 15 21:13:53 <code1> number = names
Mar 15 21:13:53 <pfn> right, you can change the source all you want
Mar 15 21:14:08 <pfn> only what's specified in AndroidManifest.xml is of any importance
Mar 15 21:14:16 <QubeZ> I'm using the same location listener code in my 3 mapview activities but one of them freezes up my app by calling the request for network update too frequently... its only happening on my phone and I haven't been able to duplicate this problem on other phones.
Mar 15 21:14:23 <QubeZ> (sisters or wife's)
Mar 15 21:14:35 <code1> ah right so it really is just an ID - does it even have to match what the source packages are called?
Mar 15 21:14:37 <pfn> it's a listener, why are you calling request for update
Mar 15 21:14:48 <pfn> code1, it does not, it's convenient for typing if it does
Mar 15 21:15:00 <pfn> but otherwise, the source names don't matter to the manifest name
Mar 15 21:15:17 <QubeZ> pfn: 03-15 16:11:55.326: D/androidNlpServiceThread(1190): adding listener com.google.android.location.internal.client.NetworkLocationClient$1@40551de8 with period 45
Mar 15 21:15:24 <QubeZ> I see that often
Mar 15 21:15:26 <code1> gotchya, thanks pfn for clearing that up!
Mar 15 21:15:41 * pfn shrugs
Mar 15 21:18:32 <Snuupy> ohai all
Mar 15 21:20:17 * nOgAnOo t0ke
Mar 15 21:24:22 <dandaman> I am have question. I want to make a form and one of the fields be a selection from a list(like you click on the field and a little list of options you can pick comes up)
Mar 15 21:24:28 <dandaman> is there a name for the module i'm looking for?
Mar 15 21:26:50 <readme> dandaman: spinner
Mar 15 21:27:07 <dandaman> readme: thank you i love you
Mar 15 21:27:10 <dandaman> welcome to costco
Mar 15 21:27:11 <dandaman> i love you
Mar 15 21:31:36 <smw_> pfn, I got a successful build! Thanks for your help
Mar 15 21:31:41 <pfn> hooray
Mar 15 21:32:06 <smw_> pfn, I am now rechecking out of svn and reapplying the changes to make sure I know why it now works
Mar 15 21:35:22 <readme> http://tinyurl.com/6owo7xl
Mar 15 21:35:29 <readme> cash money
Mar 15 21:37:17 <canadiancow|work> android.view.GLES20RecordingCanvas.drawPatch:97
Mar 15 21:37:24 <canadiancow|work> that would only occur if hardware acceleration was on, correct?
Mar 15 21:37:32 <romainguy> yes
Mar 15 21:38:28 <canadiancow|work> aware of an OEM's that fucked that up?
Mar 15 21:38:33 <canadiancow|work> because we explicitly disabled hw accel
Mar 15 21:38:48 <romainguy> Force GPU turned on?
Mar 15 21:38:59 <romainguy> what's the crash?
Mar 15 21:39:05 <romainguy> NPE?
Mar 15 21:39:10 <canadiancow|work> yes
Mar 15 21:39:16 <romainguy> werid
Mar 15 21:39:21 <romainguy> I've never seen a crash in this part of the code
Mar 15 21:39:22 <canadiancow|work> <application ... android:hardwareAccelerated="false" ... >
Mar 15 21:39:22 <pfn> $2k/mo?  pretty good
Mar 15 21:39:25 <SimonVT> Wont developer options override your manifest settings?
Mar 15 21:39:33 <canadiancow|work> oh SimonVT: fuck
Mar 15 21:39:39 <readme> indeed
Mar 15 21:39:43 <romainguy> SimonVT: lemme check
Mar 15 21:39:46 <pfn> yeah, lots of users seem to cluelessly force gpu accel
Mar 15 21:40:09 <Gumboot> Hey!  I don't do it cluelessly.  I do it recklessly!
Mar 15 21:42:00 <romainguy> I should add a warning dialog to that checkbox
Mar 15 21:42:01 <Gumboot> I seem to be in completely the wrong team to get any useful information about Android internals development.  Hints of very important things keep getting dropped without any background.
Mar 15 21:42:28 <Gumboot> romainguy: Will you have "clueless" and "reckless" buttons, and no cancel option?
Mar 15 21:43:04 <canadiancow|work> romainguy, i think there should be a way for an app to override that setting
Mar 15 21:43:18 <canadiancow|work> as a developer of an app, if im explicitly disabling hw accel, i have a reason for it (i.e. that crash)
Mar 15 21:43:24 <canadiancow|work> (and that it wasnt giving us any benefit)
Mar 15 21:43:39 <SimonVT> romainguy: Yeah, that'd probably be good. Users WILL enable it cus, you know, "zomg hw acceleration!!1", not knowing that it can cause issues
Mar 15 21:43:52 <romainguy> in J developers options need to first be turned on
Mar 15 21:44:03 <Gumboot> People should learn that force tends to break things.
Mar 15 21:44:04 <canadiancow|work> lol "in J"
Mar 15 21:44:05 <canadiancow|work> :)
Mar 15 21:44:06 <romainguy> and there's a warning when you do so
Mar 15 21:44:44 <romainguy> something about causing apps to break or misbehave
Mar 15 21:45:18 <canadiancow|work> so the crash is on: mDisplayList.mBitmaps.add(bitmap);
Mar 15 21:45:28 <romainguy> that makes no sense
Mar 15 21:45:31 <romainguy> this means mDisplayList is null
Mar 15 21:45:36 <canadiancow|work> or mBitmaps
Mar 15 21:45:54 <romainguy> no
Mar 15 21:45:54 <romainguy> final ArrayList<Bitmap> mBitmaps = new ArrayList<Bitmap>(5);
Mar 15 21:45:57 <canadiancow|work> oh
Mar 15 21:45:58 <canadiancow|work> lol
Mar 15 21:46:04 <romainguy> but GLES20RecordingCanvas is created by display lists
Mar 15 21:46:06 <canadiancow|work> i thoguht it was my build of cyanogenmod, but it happened on an official build on a maguro too
Mar 15 21:46:18 <romainguy> it basically calls new GLES20RecordingCanvas(this)
Mar 15 21:46:20 <canadiancow|work> and it was happening 50% of the time we were using a ScaleAnimation on a view
Mar 15 21:46:23 <canadiancow|work> which is why we disabled it
Mar 15 21:46:39 <romainguy> it looks like someone touched that code in a bad way :(
Mar 15 21:47:05 <canadiancow|work> who touched what?
Mar 15 21:47:14 <romainguy> the GL code
Mar 15 21:47:17 <Gumboot> Can you point to where the hacker touched you on a doll?
Mar 15 21:47:18 <romainguy> OEM or CM or whatever
Mar 15 21:47:24 <canadiancow|work> it happens on stock 4.0.2 on maguro
Mar 15 21:47:27 <canadiancow|work> and CM9 alpha
Mar 15 21:47:44 <canadiancow|work> i definitely verified it wasnt a CM issue before deciding it was worth investigating
Mar 15 21:48:00 <romainguy> ah wait
Mar 15 21:48:10 <romainguy> we have a recycle() method that can set mDisplayList to null
Mar 15 21:48:16 <canadiancow|work> heh
Mar 15 21:48:18 <romainguy> anyway if you have a repro case send it to me so we can investigate
Mar 15 21:48:36 <canadiancow|work> can i pm it? i dont really want it on the bug tracker
Mar 15 21:48:36 <romainguy> someone is being naughty with display lists
Mar 15 21:48:40 <romainguy> sure
Mar 15 21:48:44 <romainguy> send me an email
Mar 15 21:48:47 <SimonVT> git blame!
Mar 15 21:52:15 <canadiancow|work> how do normal people find the force gpu rendering option
Mar 15 21:52:29 <canadiancow|work> or is it slightly-technical people who think they know everything
Mar 15 21:52:38 <pfn> canadiancow|work, probably the latter
Mar 15 21:52:50 <pfn> then there are the normal users who don't know any better browsing around and checking stuff on accident
Mar 15 21:52:57 <canadiancow|work> heh
Mar 15 21:53:02 <SimonVT> canadiancow|work: How do people root?
Mar 15 21:53:20 <SimonVT> They just google that shit, think it sounds like a good idea, breaks stuff
Mar 15 21:53:21 <canadiancow|work> google how do i root a htc something 4.5G
Mar 15 21:54:24 <readme> SimonVT: there is an app for windows that does it in one click :|
Mar 15 21:54:27 <readme> for several devices
Mar 15 21:54:40 <SimonVT> Yeah
Mar 15 21:55:17 <pfn> man, if the sgs2 ics upgrade looks like ass, I don't have much hope for the galaxy 10.1's update if it ever comes out
Mar 15 21:57:59 <canadiancow|work> pfn: CM9
Mar 15 21:58:09 <pfn> yeah, cm9 isn't very stable yet I gather
Mar 15 21:58:16 <canadiancow|work> woroks fine for me
Mar 15 21:58:16 <pfn> at least it's not fully functional yet
Mar 15 21:58:18 <canadiancow|work> on maguro and p4wifi
Mar 15 21:58:19 <pfn> no camera
Mar 15 21:58:22 <canadiancow|work> really?
Mar 15 21:58:28 <pfn> not on the tab
Mar 15 21:58:29 <pfn> I've heard
Mar 15 21:58:38 * canadiancow|work boots it up
Mar 15 21:58:39 <pfn> not like I ever use the camera
Mar 15 21:58:46 <pfn> but sometimes I use the camera on the tab to take a picture of the phone
Mar 15 21:58:47 <pfn> heh
Mar 15 21:58:52 <pfn> and vice versa
Mar 15 21:58:57 <pfn> (rare)
Mar 15 21:59:14 <canadiancow|work> lol
Mar 15 21:59:15 <g00s> i would be fine with all cameras dropped from tablets to reduce their price :)
Mar 15 21:59:26 <canadiancow|work> g00s: agreed to an extent
Mar 15 21:59:30 <canadiancow|work> how much would it drop the price
Mar 15 21:59:34 <canadiancow|work> id rather have a ffc though
Mar 15 21:59:37 <pfn> also use it on occasion for google talk + video
Mar 15 21:59:39 <canadiancow|work> like take out the "main" rear camera
Mar 15 21:59:42 <SimonVT> Tbh they should always have a front camera
Mar 15 21:59:42 <canadiancow|work> but leave the ffc
Mar 15 21:59:53 <pfn> the front camera is somewhat useful
Mar 15 21:59:55 <pfn> rear, not so much
Mar 15 22:00:02 <canadiancow|work> ah yea no cmaera pfn
Mar 15 22:00:09 <pfn> but then again, over christmas, I saw a lady holding up her ipad2 to take pictures at union square
Mar 15 22:00:12 <pfn> ....
Mar 15 22:00:24 <XMPPwocky> yesterday I used my tablet...
Mar 15 22:00:33 <canadiancow|work> lol
Mar 15 22:00:37 <XMPPwocky> to cover up my phone in the rain so the phone screen wouldn't get wet
Mar 15 22:00:38 <pfn> then of course, there were all the nerds at IO using the tab to video janes addiction
Mar 15 22:01:09 <canadiancow|work> lol yea
Mar 15 22:03:23 <g00s> .msg neekers
Mar 15 22:03:27 <g00s> oops
Mar 15 22:03:38 <g00s> :)
Mar 15 22:04:41 <g00s> anything exciting on android land today ?
Mar 15 22:05:12 <smw_> what is the environment variable to point to the sdk location?
Mar 15 22:05:29 <g00s> oo, there is a TED android app
Mar 15 22:06:49 <readme> Nice
Mar 15 22:08:22 <pfn> smw_, there is no environment variable
Mar 15 22:08:26 <pfn> not for sdk
Mar 15 22:09:54 <smw_> pfn, "sdk.dir is missing. Make sure to ... or to inject it through an env var
Mar 15 22:10:14 <smw_> pfn, or I need to generate local.properties
Mar 15 22:11:01 <pfn> smw_, android update project -p .
Mar 15 22:11:30 <smw_> pfn, ok, I guess I will do that each checkout. this is an automated build system that does a wipe each time
Mar 15 22:14:04 <alexxio> hi
Mar 15 22:14:23 <alexxio> i can't understand how xml layout work, do you have some guide?
Mar 15 22:14:38 <herriojr> alexxio: what part do you not understand?
Mar 15 22:14:50 <herriojr> alexxio: as in what issues are you having?
Mar 15 22:14:52 <alexxio> actually i can't stretch my background image, and put the textview in the right position
Mar 15 22:14:54 <smw_> alexxio, if you are having problems with xml in general, I suggest w3schools
Mar 15 22:15:05 <smw_> nm :-)
Mar 15 22:15:13 <kakazza> http://w3fools.com/
Mar 15 22:15:24 <smw_> kakazza, hey! it is a good site
Mar 15 22:15:32 <kakazza> ;p
Mar 15 22:16:26 <herriojr> alexxio: can you pastebin your layout file?
Mar 15 22:19:40 <herriojr> guess not *shrugs*
Mar 15 22:19:52 <alexxio> yes thanks: http://pastebin.ca/2128481
Mar 15 22:21:22 <orospakr> hey, I'd like to inspect the contents of a Bundle at runtime.  Is there a pretty printer or a debugger trick I could use?
Mar 15 22:21:32 <Gumboot> Which way is "front" when talking about cameras?
Mar 15 22:21:38 <orospakr> wtb util.inspect or repr() ;)
Mar 15 22:21:45 <alexxio> i want to center the textviews and make the drawable fill all the screen (with that xml it fills vertical but not horizontally)
Mar 15 22:21:49 <orospakr> Gumboot, "front" is "towards user"
Mar 15 22:21:53 <orospakr> ie., screen side
Mar 15 22:22:08 <MDijkstra> Gumboot: unzip the apk, look inside the bundle?
Mar 15 22:22:09 <Gumboot> Seems a shame to drop rear, then.  Where would that leave AR?
Mar 15 22:22:57 <MDijkstra> sorry, orospakr
Mar 15 22:23:03 <Gumboot> I tried a couple of AR apps the other day.  Dropping the camera probably wouldn't make much difference right now.
Mar 15 22:23:22 <readme> orospakr: i would think that eclipse's debug perspective should be able to do it.
Mar 15 22:23:29 <dandaman> so i have this create item page, and i want it to reference something else. Basically i'm going to let the user click a button that takes them to a search page to select something. Is there a way to, i guess putExtra an ID to an already created activity while going back to it(it will always be the one right behind it in the stack)
Mar 15 22:23:57 <herriojr> alexxio: set your RelativeLayout width and height to be "fille_parent" or "match_parent"
Mar 15 22:24:20 <SimonVT> orospakr: You can get a set of all keys and iterate through them
Mar 15 22:24:25 <herriojr> alexxio: fill_width isn't a valid option
Mar 15 22:25:42 <readme> orospakr: yes, I just checked at you can simply set a breakpoint and click a few levels into the bundle in the variables view.
Mar 15 22:25:56 <SimonVT> Or that
Mar 15 22:25:57 <readme> but simonvt's answer is also an option, of course
Mar 15 22:26:10 * readme has been training himself to use the debugger
Mar 15 22:26:16 <alexxio> herriojr: ok, i already tried with fill parent, but doesnt work as i want :(
Mar 15 22:26:17 <SimonVT> Figured that was pretty obvious :p
Mar 15 22:26:49 <herriojr> alexxio: also, use http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/RelativeLayout.LayoutParams.html#attr_android:layout_centerHorizontal for the children if you want them centered horizontally in their parent
Mar 15 22:26:59 <herriojr> for children of the RelativeLayout
Mar 15 22:27:06 <readme> http://hntrends.jerodsanto.net/?q=iphone%2C++android according to data, android is cooler than the iphone
Mar 15 22:27:30 <herriojr> alexxio: basically, you're using a RelativeLayout but not actually using any of its features
Mar 15 22:27:56 <bluezone> is there anyway to put any "haptic feedback" on buttons in my app? :D
Mar 15 22:28:23 <bluezone> by that i mean the small vibration that occurs when you push a button or change a setting
Mar 15 22:28:35 <herriojr> alexxio: basically, android:layout_weight doesn't mean anything in this instance
Mar 15 22:29:01 <herriojr> since RelativeLayout.LayoutParams doesn't contain any such info
Mar 15 22:29:03 <readme> bluezone: http://bit.ly/w8nf2Z
Mar 15 22:29:14 <bluezone> :(
Mar 15 22:29:16 <bluezone> lol
Mar 15 22:29:27 <readme> first result looks really good
Mar 15 22:29:27 <bluezone> i keep getting pwnt by that
Mar 15 22:29:27 <alexxio> herriojr: yes, i am new to xml layouts
Mar 15 22:29:30 <readme> haha
Mar 15 22:30:32 <herriojr> alexxio: ok, for each View type, you can find a list of its properties in the class's docs such as for TextView: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html
Mar 15 22:31:24 <herriojr> alexxio: now each ViewGroup (such as RelativeLayout) contains a LayoutParams object, which has properties that a child can request of its parent
Mar 15 22:31:46 <herriojr> such as: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/RelativeLayout.LayoutParams.html
Mar 15 22:32:14 <herriojr> brb
Mar 15 22:32:20 <alexxio> thank bye
Mar 15 22:32:21 <g00s> readme: or the HN readership is going downhill like reedit :)
Mar 15 22:35:50 <root66> http://i.imgur.com/Z3yNI.png
Mar 15 22:36:28 <pfn> root66, I don't get it?
Mar 15 22:36:54 <root66> over a week after the package was in their possession, they gave it to the USPS and had them deliver it to me instead
Mar 15 22:37:04 <readme> i've never ordered something from fedex and had it make it to my door. pick up at office every time, even though I was home all day
Mar 15 22:37:31 <pfn> the package was in their possession for 2 days, what do you mean a week
Mar 15 22:37:43 <pfn> march 12 through march 14
Mar 15 22:37:43 <root66> how do you figure? they picked it up on the 6th
Mar 15 22:38:00 <pfn> yeah, but it was only local in florida for 2 days
Mar 15 22:38:10 <root66> what is your point?
Mar 15 22:38:12 <pfn> fedex took it from CA to FL, and they handed it off to usps
Mar 15 22:38:15 <pfn> what's your point?
Mar 15 22:38:26 <root66> that it took them 8 days to decide to just let the usps deliver it?
Mar 15 22:38:32 <pfn> 8 days?
Mar 15 22:38:35 <pfn> when did it take 8 days
Mar 15 22:38:37 <pfn> it took 2 days
Mar 15 22:38:54 <root66> fedex had it on the 6th
Mar 15 22:38:55 <pfn> your package travelled 3000 miles with fedex
Mar 15 22:39:00 <pfn> where they handed it to the usps for the last 50 miles
Mar 15 22:39:04 <root66> yeah it took them 8 days to bring it across country
Mar 15 22:39:15 <pfn> that's normal for ground packages
Mar 15 22:39:20 <root66> hardly
Mar 15 22:39:27 <root66> I order things several times a week
Mar 15 22:39:28 <pfn> you don't shop cross-country much
Mar 15 22:39:33 <root66> oh thanks for the info
Mar 15 22:39:39 <root66> I guess I don't order things several times a week
Mar 15 22:39:41 <root66> i must have been mistaken
Mar 15 22:41:23 <readme> i ordered a barcode scanner from UPS, and it came to my house 2 weeks late delivered by the person who received it erroneously.
Mar 15 22:41:33 <root66> heh
Mar 15 22:42:00 * g00s hates it when people sit next to him with sniffles and no tissues
Mar 15 22:42:25 <g00s> like, if your sniffing up your booger every 2 seconds, maybe get some tissues or something
Mar 15 22:53:46 <g00s> well, i'm glad that nobody disagrees with me :)
Mar 15 22:55:22 <pfn> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cw.fullepisodes.android
Mar 15 22:55:27 <pfn> wtf, it's not compatible with any of my devices
Mar 15 22:55:30 <pfn> except for my *droid1*
Mar 15 22:56:23 <wabz> incompatible too :(
Mar 15 22:57:07 <pfn> how the hell do I edit my device list in the play store now
Mar 15 22:57:15 <wabz> actually
Mar 15 22:57:16 <pfn> stupid pos keeps showing 2 or 3 devices I no longer have
Mar 15 22:57:17 <wabz> This item cannot be installed in your device's country.
Mar 15 22:57:19 <wabz> what country?
Mar 15 22:57:26 <pfn> probably US-only
Mar 15 22:57:26 <wabz> I'm not from a country
Mar 15 22:57:29 <wabz> I'm from THE INTERNET
Mar 15 22:58:08 <SimonVT> pfn, at the bottom
Mar 15 22:58:14 <SimonVT> My orders and devices
Mar 15 22:58:25 <pfn> I found it under the gear at the top
Mar 15 22:59:53 <edude03> Hey guys, is there a guide to debugging android apps? I'm reading 'Teach yourself android in 24 hours' but I'm having an error I can't figure out
Mar 15 23:00:53 <SimonVT> read logcat
Mar 15 23:01:04 <SimonVT> That's about it for 99% of all bugs you encounters
Mar 15 23:01:26 <ctate> that's at least the start
Mar 15 23:02:01 <pfn> it's always the first place to look
Mar 15 23:03:10 <g00s> awesome, booger boy is leaving
Mar 15 23:03:22 <SimonVT> You leaving g00s ?
Mar 15 23:03:36 <g00s> hehe, no, much to your dismay
Mar 15 23:03:46 <SimonVT> aww ;O
Mar 15 23:12:14 <tr> root66: FedEx SmartPost is what was used for your package - that service is *supposed* to use USPS for the last leg of delivery. The shipper chose that method, and total delivery time seems correct for that method of shipping.
Mar 15 23:27:09 <wabz> is that TED app only available on ICS or something?
Mar 15 23:29:02 <SimonVT> What does the website say?
Mar 15 23:30:57 <wabz> the website is http://support.ted.com/
Mar 15 23:31:11 <SimonVT> Market page
Mar 15 23:31:22 <wabz> nothing much relaly
Mar 15 23:31:26 <wabz> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ted.android
Mar 15 23:31:45 <SimonVT> REQUIRES ANDROID:
Mar 15 23:31:46 <SimonVT> 2.1 and up
Mar 15 23:31:47 <wabz> looks like plenty of people are using it on non-ICS devices
Mar 15 23:31:49 <wabz> yeah
Mar 15 23:31:49 <SimonVT> There's your answer
Mar 15 23:32:14 <wabz> Android Developers on g+ say how awesome it is because it pays attention to the design guidelines
Mar 15 23:32:22 <wabz> but it's incompatible with galaxy note
Mar 15 23:32:28 <wabz> lovely
Mar 15 23:35:10 <Chronax> Is there any reliable way for me to check if a user is on EDGE, 3G, 4G, etc?
Mar 15 23:35:22 <Chronax> And beside actually downloading something, is there a good way to measure network speed?
Mar 15 23:35:55 <Snuupy> speedtest app?
Mar 15 23:36:19 <canadiancow> wtf
Mar 15 23:36:26 <canadiancow> google flight search "supports" international airports now
Mar 15 23:36:32 <canadiancow> i can fly SF to Toronto to SF
Mar 15 23:36:38 <canadiancow> but not Toronto to SF to Toronto
Mar 15 23:36:40 <canadiancow> T_T
Mar 15 23:36:41 <Snuupy> lol
Mar 15 23:36:51 <Snuupy> canadiancow: wants you to stay in SF
Mar 15 23:37:03 <canadiancow> the trip cannot start outside the US
Mar 15 23:37:05 <canadiancow> so i cant get to the US
Mar 15 23:37:15 <Snuupy> LOL
Mar 15 23:37:21 <Snuupy> wants you out of the US
Mar 15 23:37:41 <mikedg_> do any of you guys know what qualifies someone as an Ion?
Mar 15 23:37:46 <g00s> wabz: thats funny its great because it pays attention to guidelines; because that means it only pays attention to guidelines for 3.0 and up
Mar 15 23:38:57 <wabz> it's almost as if +Android Developers have their heads in the sand ;)
Mar 15 23:38:59 <g00s> i wonder what the ted app uses for its actionbar
Mar 15 23:39:03 <Chronax> Any ideas? I need to programatically determine if a user has a fast or slow connection.
Mar 15 23:39:07 <g00s> wabz: not "almost"
Mar 15 23:39:11 <mikedg_> Chronax: ask them
Mar 15 23:39:24 <Chronax> Not a bad idea!
Mar 15 23:39:25 <Chronax> ;)
Mar 15 23:39:47 <canadiancow> mikedg: last year, it was someone who had attended ALL previous io's
Mar 15 23:40:02 <canadiancow> so if you want to be optimistic, you could say "four previous"
Mar 15 23:40:05 <pewpewarrows> wagz g00s: I don't understand your argument. Sticking to the new Android Design Guidelines doesn't mean you can't release on <3.x
Mar 15 23:40:14 <canadiancow> err...wait how many have there been
Mar 15 23:40:28 <g00s> pewpewarrows: it does in many areas, like context menus
Mar 15 23:40:29 <canadiancow> oh last year was the fourth
Mar 15 23:40:37 <mikedg_> yeah, i missed the first one
Mar 15 23:40:58 <mikedg_> i guess thats why i ever get the cool toys
Mar 15 23:40:59 <pewpewarrows> g00s: if you're on 4.x, use the action bar context button, otherwise use the hardware menu button
Mar 15 23:41:01 <wabz> pewpewarrows: the issue for me here is that they have stuck to the design guidelines but it's still incompatible with a relatively new device
Mar 15 23:41:22 <g00s> pewpewarrows: seriously ?
Mar 15 23:41:24 <pewpewarrows> wabz: a relatively new device that isn't canon and has a very unique screen size / skin?
Mar 15 23:41:56 <pewpewarrows> g00s: they tell you exactly how to be compatible from 2.1 - 4.x
Mar 15 23:42:12 <wabz> I don't nkow what skin means, but the whole point is that it doesn't matter what the issues are
Mar 15 23:42:14 <g00s> did something change since it was last published ?
Mar 15 23:42:26 <ctate> the TED app doesn't run on Galaxy Note?
Mar 15 23:42:33 <g00s> when the guidelines came out, they were for HC or ICS and above
Mar 15 23:42:38 <g00s> not for 2.2
Mar 15 23:42:46 <g00s> (or 2.3 for that matter)
Mar 15 23:42:51 <mikedg_> ctate: you wouldnt happen to know the guidelines for whether someone is an Ion, would you?
Mar 15 23:43:14 <wabz> ctate: Galaxy Note This item is not compatible with your device.
Mar 15 23:43:16 <ctate> ... if they have an extra / are missing an electron?
Mar 15 23:43:27 <wabz> (this is the GT-N7000 variant)
Mar 15 23:43:41 <ctate> i wonder why it is not compatible
Mar 15 23:43:59 <wabz> I wonder if they excluded it specifically
Mar 15 23:44:37 <pewpewarrows> wabz: it's not a standard screen size, not every developer is going to go out and buy a note to test on
Mar 15 23:45:21 <ctate> yeah but that's not a big deal for a well written app
Mar 15 23:45:35 <ctate> it's not like the OS doesn't have mechanisms for dealing with arbitrary densities & aspect ratios
Mar 15 23:46:40 <wabz> pewpewarrows: the definition of an app that's followed design guidelines and followed "supporting multiple screens" kinda includes not caring about those things
Mar 15 23:46:50 * g00s thinks its time to look at the ted talk apps code
Mar 15 23:47:03 <wabz> it's available?
Mar 15 23:47:08 <g00s> no
Mar 15 23:47:09 <Chronax> Can I detect 3G vs. 4G vs. WiFi?
Mar 15 23:47:09 <g00s> :)
Mar 15 23:47:14 <Chronax> Google has been no help.
Mar 15 23:47:29 <wabz> you can definitely detect if it's on wifi/other
Mar 15 23:47:41 <ctate> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/ConnectivityManager.html
Mar 15 23:47:44 <g00s> well, i'll have to wait for my phone to reboot - its got a mind of its own
Mar 15 23:47:44 <Chronax> No way to detect 4G / 3G though?
Mar 15 23:48:00 <ctate> read the friendly docs, Chronax :)
Mar 15 23:48:00 <pewpewarrows> wabz: My point is it's a very unique device that does several things outside of the standard norms. An app choosing not to support is shouldn't be surprising in the slightest.
Mar 15 23:48:09 <ctate> pewpewarrows: which "several things"?
Mar 15 23:48:36 <MDijkstra> pewpewarrows: as soon as you forget about the stylus input, it's a fairly typical device?
Mar 15 23:48:36 <ctate> it's a curious screen pixel size, and their framework intercepts touch to do gestural input
Mar 15 23:48:42 <ctate> other than that... nothing?
Mar 15 23:49:05 <MDijkstra> ie, it can be used a mobile phone with finger touch
Mar 15 23:50:02 <pewpewarrows> Stylus, A screen size and density not really on any other device, and Touchwiz to start
Mar 15 23:50:16 <pewpewarrows> I agree that well-written mostly-trivial apps should have no problems supporting it
Mar 15 23:50:26 <Chronax> ctate: Yeah, I'm reading them, but I really don't see anything that tells me about 3G / 4G. How reliable is if (netType == ConnectivityManager.TYPE_MOBILE   && netSubtype == TelephonyManager.NETWORK_TYPE_UMTS
Mar 15 23:50:26 <Chronax> && !mTelephony.isNetworkRoaming())
Mar 15 23:50:28 <Chronax> ?
Mar 15 23:50:29 <wabz> how many devices have a resolution of 1280x720?
Mar 15 23:50:40 <MDijkstra> my galaxy nexus does
Mar 15 23:50:46 <Chronax> Does that mean 4G?
Mar 15 23:50:47 <wabz> maybe 1 then? ;)
Mar 15 23:50:52 <pewpewarrows> but don't be surprised when apps won't, especially if it means investing time and effort into a device with such small marksetshare compared to the rest of the Android market
Mar 15 23:50:54 <ctate> is the Note actually 1280x720, or is it 1280x800 like the Xoom?
Mar 15 23:50:56 <Chronax> I too, have a Galaxy Nexus, so that makes 2. ;)
Mar 15 23:50:57 <MDijkstra> resolution isn't that relevant
Mar 15 23:51:02 <MDijkstra> its the effective resolution
Mar 15 23:51:17 <ctate> anyway, 720p is not exactly an unusual resolution
Mar 15 23:51:19 <MDijkstra> ie, how many dp's
Mar 15 23:51:21 <ctate> and it's what, hdpi?
Mar 15 23:51:23 <wabz> the resolution/screen size is completely irrelevant to a well-written app pewpewarrows, and that's what +Android Developers are saying this is
Mar 15 23:51:50 <ctate> it should not be hard to write apps that look great on an hdpi 720p screen
Mar 15 23:51:54 <MDijkstra> I don't know which app this is about
Mar 15 23:51:59 <ctate> MDijkstra: TED talk
Mar 15 23:52:03 <MDijkstra> ah
Mar 15 23:52:45 <g00s> wabz: link to google+ devs mentioning TED ?
Mar 15 23:52:53 <mikedg_> many people got into a ridiculous habit of thinking dpi relates directly to resolution
Mar 15 23:53:03 <pewpewarrows> wabz: Yes, it's a well-written app. The fact that they didn't launch with support for your very unique device doesn't change that.
Mar 15 23:53:14 * MDijkstra installs
Mar 15 23:53:35 <mikedg_> is there  ated app for google tv
Mar 15 23:53:57 <wabz> g00s: https://plus.google.com/108967384991768947849/posts/NnthxqRywXX -- it's worth adding these guys to your circles too
Mar 15 23:54:04 <g00s> i'd like to know if they used abs, xml, ActionBarCompat, or something else
Mar 15 23:54:11 <mikedg_> eys there is
Mar 15 23:54:20 <g00s> wabz: i don't have circles. i have squares XD
Mar 15 23:54:35 <g00s> seriously, i hate all the social shit
Mar 15 23:54:50 <mikedg_> you are square
Mar 15 23:54:51 <g00s> 99% of the conversation is crap
Mar 15 23:54:55 <g00s> indeed
Mar 15 23:54:58 <mikedg_> thats cause u dont follow me
Mar 15 23:55:42 <g00s> "It features a wonderfully polished and intuitive design that pays attention to the Android Design guidelines at …" ok, I still want to see more about how to impl these guidelines on pre HC devices
Mar 15 23:55:47 <MDijkstra> pewpewarrows: again, the galaxy note's screen isn't that different, and android is designed so you don't have to hardcode support for every screen layout
Mar 15 23:55:55 <MDijkstra> *screen configuration
Mar 15 23:55:56 <wabz> pewpewarrows: you realise the galaxy note is selling faster than the S2 did?
Mar 15 23:56:05 <MDijkstra> pewpewarrows: it'd be completely unfeasible otherwise
Mar 15 23:56:10 <wabz> (in certain regions at least)
Mar 15 23:56:16 <MDijkstra> *infeasible
Mar 15 23:56:23 <pewpewarrows> MDijkstra: I'm well aware of how to developer for Android, I've been doing it for years
Mar 15 23:56:28 <pewpewarrows> develop even
Mar 15 23:56:49 <MDijkstra> pewpewarrows: well then, what's so unique about the galaxy note that would require special support from the TED app?
Mar 15 23:57:37 <g00s> wabz, thanks
Mar 15 23:57:55 <pewpewarrows> MDijkstra: I don't own the TED app, I just know from experience, that very different types of devices (like the Galaxy Tab and the Note now) require special attention, and plenty of developers would rather wait to ensure it works right
Mar 15 23:58:19 <mikedg_> how are they very different?
Mar 15 23:58:27 <SimonVT> Well, the tab would require a tablet ui
Mar 15 23:58:31 <mikedg_> theres been 720p+ devices for over a year now
Mar 15 23:58:33 <SimonVT> note is no different from any other phone
Mar 15 23:58:34 <pewpewarrows> not the tablet Tab
Mar 15 23:58:38 <pewpewarrows> the original Tab
Mar 15 23:58:57 <MDijkstra> I think the note is nearly equal to the nexus, although they might've gone with hdpi instead of xhdpi
Mar 15 23:59:04 <MDijkstra> I guess they did
Mar 15 23:59:27 <SimonVT> The original one which is 7", and thus a tablet?
Mar 15 23:59:57 <pewpewarrows> it was a mini tablet running the phone's OS and UI
Mar 15 23:59:58 <Chronax> Can anybody point me to any information about detecting 4G vs 3G on Android? Digging through the ConnectivityManager docs, but not seeing any mention of network type.
Mar 16 00:00:02 <pewpewarrows> not honeycomb originally
Mar 16 00:00:09 <pewpewarrows> I treated it as an oversized phone
Mar 16 00:00:21 <SimonVT> Still a -large device
Mar 16 00:00:29 <pewpewarrows> yup
Mar 16 00:03:02 <MDijkstra> yeah, most apps don't enable the tablet layouts until xlarge
Mar 16 00:03:11 <MDijkstra> I guess the note is large-hdpi
Mar 16 00:03:32 <MDijkstra> not entirely conventional, but still shouldn't look too bad with a normal phone layout
Mar 16 00:04:05 <wabz> I think this is the only app I've come across since I got this device last year that's not compatible
Mar 16 00:04:26 <wabz> I'm sure there are others, but it's definitely not common
Mar 16 00:04:40 <MDijkstra> could be there's simply a bug in touchwiz for the note that's causing them to delay release
Mar 16 00:04:47 <pewpewarrows> exactly
Mar 16 00:04:57 <SimonVT> Naw, note would be normal-hdpi
Mar 16 00:06:47 <SimonVT> Or would it..
Mar 16 00:06:52 <MDijkstra> isn't the nexus normal-xhdpi with 720x1280 (as opposed to 800x1280 on the note)?
Mar 16 00:06:58 <SimonVT> Meh, don't care..
Mar 16 00:07:26 <canadiancow> yes MDijkstra
Mar 16 00:07:29 <wabz> looks like it's ~718x449dp which would put it in "normal" ?
Mar 16 00:08:14 <MDijkstra> the TED app is compatible with my galaxy tab 10.1 at least
Mar 16 00:12:02 <bit0> Hello, Is an issue tracker system id  related with git commits? (sorry for my bad English)
Mar 16 00:19:34 <g00s> SimonVT: do you think the ted app uses ABS ?
Mar 16 00:19:50 <g00s> maybe there are some subtle visual cues
Mar 16 00:20:28 <SimonVT> no idea
Mar 16 00:20:28 <SimonVT> Can check
Mar 16 00:20:44 <g00s> thx !
Mar 16 00:21:46 <SimonVT> It does
Mar 16 00:21:51 <SimonVT> ^_^
Mar 16 00:21:55 <SimonVT> Should tell JakeWharton
Mar 16 00:22:18 <g00s> hm, interesting. so they say on 4.0 it uses the system action bar, but pre-hc a custom impl
Mar 16 00:22:29 <g00s> is all that working then ?
Mar 16 00:22:32 <g00s> (abs 4)
Mar 16 00:22:36 <SimonVT> Yep
Mar 16 00:23:08 <t0mless> just saw that TED app this morning
Mar 16 00:23:10 <t0mless> stoked
Mar 16 00:23:15 <t0mless> all the other unofficial ones sucked
Mar 16 00:25:15 <g00s> hm, i have to extend a Sherlock base activity ?
Mar 16 00:25:24 <t0mless> mmhmm
Mar 16 00:25:39 * g00s lost interest again,already
Mar 16 00:25:41 <SimonVT> SherlockActivity, SherlockFragmentActivity, SherlockFragment etc
Mar 16 00:26:38 <SimonVT> How is that an issue?
Mar 16 00:26:44 <g00s> its weird
Mar 16 00:26:46 <t0mless> Had to do it that way instead of chaning the sources from the compat lib like he used to
Mar 16 00:26:54 <g00s> i hate weird hacks like that
Mar 16 00:26:55 <t0mless> You're weird!
Mar 16 00:26:58 <g00s> i know
Mar 16 00:27:24 <SimonVT> Weird hacks oO
Mar 16 00:27:39 <t0mless> He used to just use the fragment activity from compat lib, but then people got all upset that he was changing the compat lib sources
Mar 16 00:27:53 <SimonVT> It takes weird hacks to completely implement the ICS actionbar on pre-ics
Mar 16 00:28:01 <g00s> i know, sigh
Mar 16 00:28:05 <SimonVT> Just like it takes "weird hacks" like fragmentactivity to support fragments on pre-HC
Mar 16 00:28:16 <g00s> i'm sure jake did the best he could
Mar 16 00:28:57 <SimonVT> Now you're just being stubborn
Mar 16 00:29:14 <g00s> no, i like to stick to vanilla stuff
Mar 16 00:29:33 * raymonddull prefers chocolate
Mar 16 00:31:06 <bankai_> chocolate chocolate chip
Mar 16 00:31:17 <g00s> SimonVT: is abs decoupled from the compat lib in a way that if a new compat lib comes out, i can just use it ?
Mar 16 00:31:19 <SimonVT> You really should consider start using libraries not made by Google, they offer lots of features
Mar 16 00:31:31 <SimonVT> Yes
Mar 16 00:31:36 <g00s> ok, thats better
Mar 16 00:31:37 <SimonVT> You have to include the official compat jar
Mar 16 00:31:51 <SimonVT> Hence the SherlockFragmentActivity, etc
Mar 16 00:32:26 <g00s> i think that was my original reservation
Mar 16 00:32:45 <t0mless> yea, new compat lib comes out now, you just plop it in and recompile
Mar 16 00:32:47 <g00s> if the 2 are independent, and v4 delegates to the system impl, that is good
Mar 16 00:32:53 <SimonVT> (Which, btw, is just for convenience. You can statically attach the library yourself, tho you'd just be duplicating what Jake already implemented in those classes)
Mar 16 00:33:26 <g00s> duplicated ?
Mar 16 00:33:33 <g00s> i just have to look at the code
Mar 16 00:34:22 <g00s> btw, i do use 3rd party libs - right now i am looking at the newly released android plot 0.5.0 drop
Mar 16 00:34:32 <SimonVT> But but, it's not vanilla
Mar 16 00:34:51 <t0mless> dammit
Mar 16 00:34:56 <t0mless> I just downloaded 0.4.4
Mar 16 00:35:05 <g00s> SimonVT: in the past abs had weird deps on the compat lib, thats what i disliked the most
Mar 16 00:35:11 <wabz> is your secret bluetooth project done g00s?
Mar 16 00:35:24 <g00s> i think so :)
Mar 16 00:35:35 <wabz> I'm still waiting to find out what it was :p
Mar 16 00:35:52 <SimonVT> In the past ABS was an ActionBar implementation based on a closed source system
Mar 16 00:35:53 <bit0> I'm studying, android  issues, I've found a lot of bugs number inside git commits, where do they come from? Any inconvenience?
Mar 16 00:37:25 <SimonVT> And Jake has always had a new version ready within very short time of a new compat lib being released
Mar 16 00:39:49 <canadiancow|work> but it no longer "includes" the compat lib
Mar 16 00:40:00 <canadiancow|work> like the donwload includes the jar, but that's the extent
Mar 16 00:40:04 <canadiancow|work> you can drop in a new one on your own
Mar 16 00:40:16 <g00s> thats good
Mar 16 00:40:30 <SimonVT> We already covered that :p
Mar 16 00:40:49 <g00s> hehe
Mar 16 00:42:53 <g00s> does abs have a defect tracker ?
Mar 16 00:43:00 <SimonVT> github
Mar 16 00:43:23 * g00s always starts at the defect tracker ;)
Mar 16 00:44:24 <ctate> bit0: you're reading the Android git history and seeing references to e.g. "Bug 234567" ?
Mar 16 00:45:00 <bit0> ctate, sure!, and I don't understand that
Mar 16 00:45:18 <ctate> they are references to Google's Android team's internal bug tracker
Mar 16 00:45:26 <ctate> pay them no heed :)
Mar 16 00:45:46 <canadiancow|work> :(
Mar 16 00:45:48 <evancharlton> it kind of sucks that git doesn't let us strip them before shipping
Mar 16 00:45:51 <canadiancow|work> i like paying heed
Mar 16 00:45:56 <bit0> ctate, :(, it's a pity
Mar 16 00:46:20 <ctate> a pity that they're there, or a pity that you can't see the bug entries, or...?
Mar 16 00:46:39 <evancharlton> bit0: do you object to the Change-Id line as well?
Mar 16 00:46:46 <evancharlton> because that's also non-git-ish
Mar 16 00:47:35 <bit0> evancharlton, sure
Mar 16 00:47:36 <ctate> people have talked about unifying with external-facing bug trackers too, so that e.g. AOSP gerrit would crosslink to the issues in the AOSP bug tracker automatically
Mar 16 00:47:46 <canadiancow|work> ctate you should download and play https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zynga.scramble
Mar 16 00:47:49 <ctate> there's a fair amount of work involved there though
Mar 16 00:48:15 <SimonVT> That would be awesome tho
Mar 16 00:48:31 <ctate> lies that is not Scramble THIS is Scramble! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_(video_game)
Mar 16 00:48:33 <ctate> :)
Mar 16 00:48:47 <bit0> evancharlton, that Change-Id is related to... what?
Mar 16 00:48:50 <canadiancow|work> lol
Mar 16 00:48:55 <bit0> evancharlton, gerrit?
Mar 16 00:49:18 <ctate> yes, the Change-Id: annotation is a Gerrit thing
Mar 16 00:49:19 <ctate> \
Mar 16 00:50:09 <bit0> Could I track that Gerrit into the  Issue track system?
Mar 16 00:50:42 <ctate> nope
Mar 16 00:51:22 <ctate> it's just used by Gerrit for reconciling uploads with the original patchset for a given "change"
Mar 16 00:52:19 <kuku> So I can't tell this channel that I'm looking for a developer ?
Mar 16 00:52:37 <kuku> That would be against the rules?
Mar 16 00:52:47 <bit0> Then.. if anyone opens a issue, he/she can track that into the code, doesn't  it?
Mar 16 00:56:17 <ctate> bit0: not sure what you're asking
Mar 16 00:56:52 <ctate> the "Bug: whatever" text in the change descriptions is just a convenience for the Googlers who work on Android
Mar 16 00:57:14 <ctate> the internal Gerrit instance knows how to linkify those into hotlinks to the issue in the internal bug tracker
Mar 16 00:57:40 <ctate> so that internally when someone is asked to review a change, it's really easy to look at the corresponding bug for reference
Mar 16 01:00:05 <bit0> ctate, but, none but Gerrit knows where that commit comes from  ...
Mar 16 01:04:23 <bit0> ctate, thanks a lot :)
Mar 16 01:40:23 <blast0id|2uby> what the best way to determine reason for bootloop? "adb logcat *:E" ??? or is there a better way?
Mar 16 01:43:01 <bankai_> blast0id|2uby: did you just update your device?
Mar 16 01:43:39 <blast0id|2uby> no trying to tweak/mod a rom and now I'm bl'ing
Mar 16 01:44:20 <bankai_> ohhh.... might wanna chat to the #android-root fellas :)
Mar 16 01:44:33 <blast0id|2uby> oh, sorry...
Mar 16 01:44:37 <blast0id|2uby> =)
Mar 16 02:04:39 <canadiancow> um
Mar 16 02:04:46 <canadiancow> does google run your app when you upload it?
Mar 16 02:05:13 <canadiancow> i have evidence that they do
Mar 16 02:05:23 <canadiancow> based on how fast my app was run after uploading (some analytics)
Mar 16 02:05:36 <SimonVT> That bouncer should run it I think?
Mar 16 02:07:35 <canadiancow> but it RUNS it
Mar 16 02:07:41 <SimonVT> Yeah
Mar 16 02:07:45 <canadiancow> like i got a crash report in the market dev console (and bugsense) within minutes of uploading it
Mar 16 02:07:53 <canadiancow> so i was able to upload a hotfix :3
Mar 16 02:08:20 <SimonVT> I read somewhere it runs it in a vm or emulator or whatever, disguised as a real device
Mar 16 02:08:33 <canadiancow> the device name in bugsense is google_sdk
Mar 16 02:08:36 <SimonVT> To see if it starts sending texts and transmitting to china and stuff
Mar 16 02:08:50 <canadiancow> i dont have permission to send texts... :P
Mar 16 02:08:53 <canadiancow> i guess i have internet
Mar 16 02:08:55 <canadiancow> but meh
Mar 16 02:08:58 <canadiancow> im fine with it
Mar 16 02:09:03 <canadiancow> saved me a few 1-stars :)
Mar 16 02:09:32 <SimonVT> Hehe
Mar 16 02:09:56 <SimonVT> Just implemented it?
Mar 16 02:10:48 <canadiancow> well this is my first release with ABS
Mar 16 02:10:53 <canadiancow> and rigth after uploading i got the crash report
Mar 16 02:11:01 <canadiancow> something that would happen on <4.0 related to ABS
Mar 16 02:16:07 <faint545> im looking to get an animated icon into the actionbar as an action item. is the only way to accomplish this is to use actionViewClass?
Mar 16 02:43:42 <canadiancow|work> anyone know what STM722HC is?
Mar 16 02:43:44 <canadiancow|work> JakeWharton?
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