**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 11 02:59:58 2012
Apr 11 03:00:54 <JakeWharton> yeah we do that in Pay with Square by launching you to the root activity and then starting another to create the backstack
Apr 11 03:05:25 <pragma-> "pay with square"?
Apr 11 03:05:39 <canadiancow|work> lol
Apr 11 03:06:11 <pragma-> what is that, retard-speak for "credit card"?
Apr 11 03:06:44 <JakeWharton> that's an app name
Apr 11 03:07:18 * pragma- imagines a drooling invalid saying "I pay with square" as it hands over its credit card to the cashier.
Apr 11 03:07:29 <JakeWharton> you use your name
Apr 11 03:07:35 <CEnnis91> anyone have a form name or something to point me to, to record android market income in a tax return?
Apr 11 03:07:47 <CEnnis91> im still new at doing them in general -_-
Apr 11 03:07:54 <pragma-> lol, taxes.
Apr 11 03:08:01 <CEnnis91> yea
Apr 11 03:08:03 <pragma-> just let them audit you.
Apr 11 03:08:07 <pragma-> it's easier.
Apr 11 03:08:23 <JakeWharton> pragma-: https://squareup.com/pay-with-square
Apr 11 03:08:30 <JakeWharton> do it
Apr 11 03:08:49 <CEnnis91> pragma-: whats the hard way?
Apr 11 03:08:51 <pragma-> yeah, I don't want Square recording my purchases for marketing purposes, thanks.
Apr 11 03:08:54 <CEnnis91> =P
Apr 11 03:09:38 <JakeWharton> pragma-: you are dumb
Apr 11 03:09:38 <pragma-> CEnnis91: you could use a pencil and paper.
Apr 11 03:09:49 <pragma-> JakeWharton: that's a horrible thing to say to me.
Apr 11 03:10:07 <CEnnis91> blasphemy! they dont exist anymore
Apr 11 03:10:58 <wabz> if we had a page like that, with the iphone and android phones displaying next toeachother
Apr 11 03:11:08 <wabz> we'd get an email from apple telling us to remove the android references
Apr 11 03:11:45 <JakeWharton> the screens are so photoshopped
Apr 11 03:11:47 <JakeWharton> it's pathetic
Apr 11 03:12:47 <bfig> hello, i'm installing the android sdk. i'm stuck at the tools/android program: what is it supposed to do?
Apr 11 03:12:50 <jonn> How do I get my buttons to match ICS style? Right now they're just big grey buttons and they're ugly. :(
Apr 11 03:13:08 <pragma-> Yeah, nice website square has: http://imgbin.org/images/7668.PNG
Apr 11 03:13:19 <pragma-> total fail without javascript turned on
Apr 11 03:13:40 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I upgraded my ADT, and now I have BuildConfig.java inside my gen. The problem is R.java won't automatically rebuild, it's just disappeared. Anyone else experience this?
Apr 11 03:14:30 <pragma-> remind me to insult jake with that screenshot when he come sback
Apr 11 03:17:48 <pragma-> T-Dub|DlolPics: sounds like you a) don't know what you're doing, as usual; b) don't know how to create an intelligent nickname; c) are probably an idiot.
Apr 11 03:18:12 <pragma-> T-Dub|DlolPics: here's a pro-tip: stop clicking random buttons on your IDE.
Apr 11 03:18:43 <T-Dub|DlolPics> pragma-, what benefit do you gain from insulting people?
Apr 11 03:19:22 <T-Dub|DlolPics> For your information this has all been caused by intergrading AdMob, due to the api level required for it's features, not my lack of knowledge on Eclipse
Apr 11 03:20:37 <Wavesonics> Hey, when you bind a service and send a message. Is it ok for the Service to hold onto the "Reply" Handler for later use?
Apr 11 03:22:14 <pragma-> T-Dub|DlolPics: a) don't use admob; b) don't put ads in your app; c) see a and b
Apr 11 03:23:03 <pragma-> (now hopefully you'll be stuck in an infinite loop; good riddence)
Apr 11 03:23:14 <T-Dub|DlolPics> If you weren't such a narcissistic I would take your advice into consideration, until then I shall scrap them without hesitation. I appreciate the time you took to type it out though.
Apr 11 03:23:17 <fload> damn pragma is so smart im glad he spends his valuable time spreading knowledge on this chatroom
Apr 11 03:23:29 <pragma-> T-Dub|DlolPics: nice fallacy.
Apr 11 03:23:51 <pragma-> JakeWharton: nice website square has: http://imgbin.org/images/7668.PNG
Apr 11 03:24:00 <T-Dub|DlolPics> That comment is only proving my point.
Apr 11 03:24:01 <fload> can i donate to your cause?
Apr 11 03:24:25 <JakeWharton> pragma-: i can do that with any website too
Apr 11 03:24:34 <pragma-> JakeWharton: do it to http://google.com
Apr 11 03:24:49 <JakeWharton> curl http://google.com
Apr 11 03:24:53 <JakeWharton> done
Apr 11 03:25:15 <pragma-> pics or it didn't happen
Apr 11 03:25:23 <JakeWharton> too lazy
Apr 11 03:25:31 <pragma-> I am still a winrar.
Apr 11 03:25:46 <JakeWharton> if you say so
Apr 11 03:25:54 <pragma-> quite observant
Apr 11 03:26:16 <JakeWharton> if you say so
Apr 11 03:26:29 <pragma-> oops, I broke it
Apr 11 03:26:34 * pragma- whacks JakeWharton.
Apr 11 03:26:47 <pragma-> seems to be stuck.
Apr 11 03:26:54 <JakeWharton> in overdrive
Apr 11 03:26:59 <pragma-> if you say so
Apr 11 03:28:13 <pragma-> fload: it's nice to get some appreciation around here
Apr 11 03:28:30 <pragma->  < fload> damn pragma is so smart im glad he spends his valuable time spreading knowledge on this chatroom
Apr 11 03:28:37 * pragma- screencaps.
Apr 11 03:29:04 <fload> np
Apr 11 03:29:59 <pragma-> I showed my mom.  She shed a tear.
Apr 11 03:34:18 <steven10172> I currently have a few Dialog boxes pre-built and displayed throughout the application. But the Alert box is under the dialogs. Is it possible to pull it to the front?
Apr 11 03:49:41 <JakeWharton> Is there any way for me to determine (and fetch) the UI thread from an arbitrary thread?
Apr 11 03:49:53 <JakeWharton> that is, I will not know whether I am on the UI thread or another
Apr 11 03:51:19 <cr5315> I have a webview in my app that will load a page, but then all the text dissapears. I have no idea why, as I've used webviews many times before. Does anyone have any idea what's going on with it or how to fix it?
Apr 11 03:55:38 <fload> cr5315 try debugger and step through it with a few breakpoints to narrow down your error
Apr 11 04:19:45 <alex_PP> JakeWharton, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Looper.html#getMainLooper()
Apr 11 04:26:53 <JakeWharton> that's it
Apr 11 04:27:06 <JakeWharton> thanks
Apr 11 04:27:08 <JakeWharton> been a long day
Apr 11 04:29:09 <JakeWharton> too bad many hours await
Apr 11 04:29:14 <JakeWharton> i should just go back to work so i can focus
Apr 11 04:29:35 <JakeWharton> and so I can have massive monitors
Apr 11 04:51:20 <JakeWharton> is there an easy way to supply a custom executor for AsyncTasks pre-HC?
Apr 11 04:51:31 <JakeWharton> or am I better of implementing my own simpler version of AsyncTask with Runnables
Apr 11 04:54:28 <pfn> JakeWharton, there is no api to specify the executor for asynctasks pre-hc
Apr 11 04:55:19 <JakeWharton> well I was thinking that I could write a proxy between executor and asynctask for that
Apr 11 04:55:28 <JakeWharton> but my use case only leverages about 20% of what AsyncTask does anyways
Apr 11 04:55:36 <JakeWharton> better of with some good 'ol fashioned threading
Apr 11 04:55:39 <JakeWharton> *off
Apr 11 04:55:50 <pragma-> I've always just used a thread and a handler.
Apr 11 05:02:37 <JakeWharton> yeah I have a threadfactory
Apr 11 05:02:40 <JakeWharton> halfway there already
Apr 11 05:02:52 <JakeWharton> i'm thinking too far ahead
Apr 11 05:56:29 <hwrd|work> Does anyone know if its more difficult to support multiple resolutions with the NDK than with the SDK?
Apr 11 05:57:00 <hwrd|work> *multiple screen resolutions/devices etc etc
Apr 11 05:57:05 <JakeWharton> I will counter your question with a question. Besides "Running things in C++" is anything easier using the NDK over the SDK?
Apr 11 06:01:16 <hwrd|work> JakeWharton: That was my inital thought. Good that I got a second opinion.
Apr 11 06:30:49 <Gaz`> damn it, anyone managed to get picasa galleries integrated into their app nicely?
Apr 11 06:33:39 <freecandy> After setting a background, one of the things I want to show up onscreen no longer shows up. Is there an easy way to diff variables by line while running two different versions of the program, so I can see that at line 39 of whatever, some boolean came back as false instead of true?
Apr 11 06:34:53 <pragma-> FUck
Apr 11 06:34:55 <pragma-> http://slackstack.com/archives/17870/funny-gif-cat-punches-dog
Apr 11 06:40:13 <etuleu> what's the best way to have a view that lets clicks go through (pass to its parent)?
Apr 11 06:50:50 <JakeWharton> for what purpose?
Apr 11 06:51:10 <JakeWharton> like a selector on a list view item?
Apr 11 06:51:23 <hoangtran> Hi, when publishing app to Google Play, is it 50years or 25years requirement of sign validity?
Apr 11 06:52:04 <JakeWharton> "A validity period of more than 25 years is recommended."
Apr 11 06:52:11 <hoangtran> I've notice that the docs say it should be 25, but we receive an error msg said it must be 50years.
Apr 11 06:52:14 <JakeWharton> "If you plan to publish your application(s) on Google Play, note that a validity period ending after 22 October 2033 is a requirement. You can not upload an application if it is signed with a key whose validity expires before that date."
Apr 11 06:52:26 <SuD> backwards compatibility will kill it in before 4 years
Apr 11 06:52:38 <hoangtran> it seems that the doc is not giving the correct number (50)?
Apr 11 06:58:03 <Gaz`> Hmm anyone know picasa? do u need to be authorised just to view galleries?
Apr 11 07:00:21 <Ivru> depends of the gallery
Apr 11 07:02:42 <Gaz`> its just a public one
Apr 11 07:02:51 <Gaz`> but im getting forbidden, 403
Apr 11 07:03:09 <Gaz`> and my authorisation token is empty so i thin kthats why
Apr 11 07:03:21 <Gaz`> but surely i dont have to pass gmail details to view a public gallery using their api
Apr 11 07:10:25 <etuleu> JakeWharton, I was being dumb because I had a click listener on a imageview so I wasn't getting the highlighting of the background
Apr 11 07:10:48 <JakeWharton> there's an XML attribute for that
Apr 11 07:10:52 <JakeWharton> inheritChildStates or something
Apr 11 07:10:54 <etuleu> I'm abusing android:background="?attr/selectableItemBackground" on everything
Apr 11 07:10:57 <zamboni> this girl is 500 years old: http://i.imgur.com/36o6f.jpg
Apr 11 07:10:58 <JakeWharton> haha
Apr 11 07:11:00 <etuleu> :)
Apr 11 07:11:03 <zamboni> frozen from the Incan Empire
Apr 11 07:11:09 <zamboni> sorry, know offtopic, but pic was incredible
Apr 11 07:11:09 <JakeWharton> IntelliJ's autocomplete usually saves me
Apr 11 07:11:14 <JakeWharton> i never remember the name of the attribute
Apr 11 07:11:23 <etuleu> eclipse is stupid and doesn't autofill that
Apr 11 07:11:32 <etuleu> it's the hardest thing to type
Apr 11 07:11:40 <EmoBoiix3> Anyone compiling AOSP here?
Apr 11 07:12:16 <zamboni> EmoBoii are you cute?
Apr 11 07:13:28 <EmoBoiix3> zamboni wtf dude
Apr 11 07:13:43 <EmoBoiix3> but no I am not lol
Apr 11 07:14:06 <zamboni> yes you are
Apr 11 07:14:17 <EmoBoiix3> Okay.....
Apr 11 07:14:28 <EmoBoiix3> Is it because I asked a stupid question?
Apr 11 07:14:29 <EmoBoiix3> lol
Apr 11 07:14:45 <zamboni> my ex-boyfriend looked like an emo boy
Apr 11 07:14:56 <zamboni> and was cute
Apr 11 07:15:14 <EmoBoiix3> LOL wtf no it's just my username
Apr 11 07:15:14 <EmoBoiix3> lol
Apr 11 07:15:36 <zamboni> sit next to me
Apr 11 07:15:55 <EmoBoiix3> :O
Apr 11 07:16:17 <zamboni> ?
Apr 11 07:16:32 <zamboni> please stop acting so weird
Apr 11 07:17:33 <hoangtran> Has anyone published any apk to the GPlay? What is the validity period of your certificate?
Apr 11 07:18:41 <alex_PP> hoangtran, why not just generate a cert with some huge validity?
Apr 11 07:20:04 <hoangtran> that's what I'm doing now, it's just a minutes, the problem is that I'm not the one responsible for actually performing the publishing process, so I just want to make sure the apk I create is a valid apk for Google Play
Apr 11 07:21:54 <JakeWharton> make it for 1000 years
Apr 11 07:22:57 <hoangtran> @Jake: :), I've seen advice that states 10000
Apr 11 07:23:46 <JakeWharton> Fairly certain Android and Google Play in its current form will not exist in 2033
Apr 11 07:23:56 <JakeWharton> so you're probably fine with anything over 25
Apr 11 07:24:49 <JakeWharton> by then we'll all be on BlackBerries and mocking people who use the antiquated Android OS 29.4.2
Apr 11 07:24:53 <hoangtran> Yeah, I'll pay 25$ for an account for myself, I don't have access to my company account.
Apr 11 07:25:48 <hoangtran> BB? I thought it's gonna die. Miss my BB7290
Apr 11 07:26:28 <JakeWharton> it will die
Apr 11 07:26:36 <JakeWharton> but it'll be reborn in 2028
Apr 11 07:26:49 <JakeWharton> and by 2033 everyone will be using it and making fun of Google
Apr 11 07:26:51 <JakeWharton> </nightmare>
Apr 11 07:27:05 <hoangtran> er.. sound like sci-fi fiction ..
Apr 11 07:34:37 <JakeWharton> ATM Machine
Apr 11 07:41:56 <mitch0> yo. what's the current gcc version in the latest ndk?
Apr 11 07:43:32 <hoangtran> What do you put in the fields "First & Last Name" when creating the cert for your company to sign the .apk? The boss's name, the contact person, or your name?
Apr 11 07:44:12 <JakeWharton> leave it blank
Apr 11 07:45:20 <hoangtran> o.O, I didn't know it's possible
Apr 11 07:46:19 <JakeWharton> what is the thread overhead on Android
Apr 11 07:46:34 <JakeWharton> I'm using a ThreadPoolExecutor for some tasks
Apr 11 07:46:49 <JakeWharton> was hoping to have it scale from 1 up to 5 based on queue demands
Apr 11 07:47:05 <JakeWharton> but would it be bad for the 5 threads to always be hanging around idle?
Apr 11 07:53:58 <pragma-> JakeWharton: this is a mobile device with a limited battery supply, not a enterprise server
Apr 11 07:54:07 <pragma-> keep it simple
Apr 11 07:54:21 <JakeWharton> I figured it out
Apr 11 07:54:26 <JakeWharton> allowCoreThreadTimeOut(true);
Apr 11 07:54:33 <pragma-> ##java figured it out, you mean
Apr 11 07:54:56 <JakeWharton> no they clarified a point about expansion
Apr 11 07:55:07 <JakeWharton> i figured out how to allow the core threads to be destroyed when not in use
Apr 11 07:58:50 <JakeWharton> now I just need a custom Queue
Apr 11 07:58:58 <JakeWharton> but that's a job for tomorrow Jake
Apr 11 07:59:54 <romainguy__> wuss
Apr 11 08:00:21 <romainguy__> JakeWharton: look in DDMS at how many threads we have in our processes :((
Apr 11 08:00:36 <romainguy__> I wouldn't worry too much about having a few idle threads around
Apr 11 08:01:30 <Ge0rG> as long as they are not busywaiting...
Apr 11 08:01:52 <romainguy__> :)
Apr 11 08:02:18 <Ge0rG> which reminds me. I still need some way to detect audio buffer overruns programmatically, before I can ship that code.
Apr 11 08:03:14 <JakeWharton> I'll have to do some tests to see. Usually once the queue is empty there won't be any activity until a major UI event occurs (e.g., new activity, fragment swap) so the cost of spinning up a few new threads wouldn't be noticed. I was just thinking about memory. This is going to be a library (of course) so I want to reduce any potential impact on the implementing apps.
Apr 11 08:03:43 <romainguy__> JakeWharton: you could always GC your pool after a while
Apr 11 08:03:46 <romainguy__> "GC"
Apr 11 08:04:02 <mitch0> pff
Apr 11 08:04:12 <JakeWharton> The timeout on ThreadPoolExecutor should do that automatically if I find an appropriate value
Apr 11 08:04:33 <JakeWharton> 2 seconds or so perhaps
Apr 11 08:04:36 <romainguy__> good point, I forgot TPE could do it
Apr 11 08:05:02 <romainguy__> it's exactly what AsyncTask does
Apr 11 08:05:29 <JakeWharton> Yeah I modeled some of the behavior from AsyncTask
Apr 11 08:05:56 <JakeWharton> I just needed a better executor and a queue that I can manage order with a high and low priority
Apr 11 08:06:22 <romainguy__> java.util.PriorityQueue? :)
Apr 11 08:07:14 <JakeWharton> Possibly. There's only two priorities so I thought I could just write my own that fronts two queues or something since that seemed like it might be overkill
Apr 11 08:07:30 <romainguy__> I never trust myself writing new code ^^
Apr 11 08:07:59 <JakeWharton> This has been reassuring statements with an Android framework engineer...
Apr 11 08:08:04 <JakeWharton> tune in next week
Apr 11 08:08:44 <JakeWharton> (but I totally agree)
Apr 11 08:09:28 <bfig> what do i need to put in target_id in the /tools/android program when i'm creating a project?
Apr 11 08:09:29 <JakeWharton> Ususally the core Java or Guava are my go-to places for people-who-are-a-lot-smarter-than-me-doing-what-I-need code
Apr 11 08:09:50 <bfig> android-10 ?
Apr 11 08:10:05 <romainguy__> JakeWharton: me too :p
Apr 11 08:10:19 <romainguy__> JakeWharton: and crazybob (if he still writes code)
Apr 11 08:10:52 <JakeWharton> every now and then he does. some mind-boggling stuff
Apr 11 08:11:17 <JakeWharton> he likes to solve peoples programming interview questions in insane ways
Apr 11 08:11:46 <romainguy__> sounds like him alright :)
Apr 11 08:16:51 <kselos> hi all
Apr 11 08:26:22 <xtream> hi all
Apr 11 08:27:40 <xtream> I want to know how to play a pre-recorded audio during voice call in android ? i explored a lot and i found tht its not possible to inject media stream into call stream , but still has anyone come across any solution to this or any other alternative ?
Apr 11 08:38:05 <xtream> please see this for a question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10078210/play-recorded-sound-during-voice-call-using-ndk-or-third-party-apis
Apr 11 08:40:55 <root66> xtream: it seems like you have already been told repeatedly that it is not possible, and have exhausted unconventional solutions
Apr 11 08:41:12 <root66> I am not sure what else to tell you
Apr 11 08:42:10 <root66> if this many users have not found a way to do it by now, then it is likely not going to happen. if it does, using unconventional methods, I doubt it would work consistently on different devices
Apr 11 08:43:49 <xtream> root66: i got it what you are saying , but has anyone know about any third party api , using which we can achieve this ?
Apr 11 08:48:27 <everythingWorks> where are pref stored?
Apr 11 08:48:30 <everythingWorks> in the system
Apr 11 08:48:47 <[deXter]> /data
Apr 11 08:49:11 <everythingWorks> where exactly
Apr 11 08:49:27 <everythingWorks> that is like saying "in /"
Apr 11 08:49:27 <evelyette> hi
Apr 11 08:49:38 <[deXter]> I'm not sure
Apr 11 08:49:46 <everythingWorks> ok
Apr 11 08:49:48 <[deXter]> Shouldn't be hard to search for a .db file in /data
Apr 11 08:50:00 <everythingWorks> its /data/data ;)
Apr 11 08:50:06 <everythingWorks> why db file? o0
Apr 11 08:50:21 <[deXter]> Well depends on what preferences exactly are you talking about
Apr 11 08:50:28 <evelyette> I already have a Google OAuth token that validates OK with the google service...but now I would like to use that token to open a web page inside WebView that will use that token, so the user doesn't need to login with the service, but is authenticated automatically with the oauth token
Apr 11 08:50:30 <[deXter]> if its a per app setting, then yes it's /data/data
Apr 11 08:50:44 <evelyette> any ideas how to do that, I didn't find and webview functions that could do that
Apr 11 08:50:44 <everythingWorks> okay :)
Apr 11 08:51:30 <everythingWorks> what's stored in /data/data/<apk?lib ?
Apr 11 08:51:35 <everythingWorks> <apk>/ lib *
Apr 11 08:52:04 <alankila> jni files I think
Apr 11 08:52:06 <[deXter]> Um, the libraries
Apr 11 08:52:13 <[deXter]> ie the .so files
Apr 11 08:52:51 <everythingWorks> okay, thanks :)
Apr 11 08:55:11 <dominicdinada> what would cause eclipse to not show any of my xmls as guis for editing
Apr 11 08:56:15 <hoangtran> @dominic: bugs ;)
Apr 11 08:56:34 <hoangtran> try open it with "Open With" option
Apr 11 08:56:42 <dominicdinada> no over 5 projects none of them show
Apr 11 08:56:54 <root66> xtream: the only way you will be able to pipe sound into the phonecall is with a 1/8" adapter plugged in
Apr 11 08:57:01 <dominicdinada> and for a fact last bootup all was well
Apr 11 08:57:49 <hoangtran> have you updated all to r18
Apr 11 08:58:27 <hoangtran> I notice that all the "Layout editor" now have "Legacy" prefix
Apr 11 08:59:15 <dominicdinada> nope tried all the different open withs i know 4 of the 5 flawless
Apr 11 09:00:49 <dominicdinada> when they open i notice alot of the defaults not selected like local, theme, day or night etc and they all default to 2.7inch now
Apr 11 09:01:27 <xtream> root66: wht is 1/8'' adapter and how it works with android ?
Apr 11 09:02:26 <root66> afaik, the headphone jack has 3 channels. output left/right, and mic input
Apr 11 09:02:37 <root66> they make AV cables that have red white and yellow that fit the jack
Apr 11 09:03:52 <root66> but being able to communicate and still use that rig would require a.) for the audio cables to be connected to a speaker of some sort, and b.) the input source has a mic input (such as a kareoke machine)
Apr 11 09:04:51 <root66> basically you need a way to combine mic input with the audio you are piping in so youc an still talk
Apr 11 09:05:00 <root66> a small mixer of some sort would do it
Apr 11 09:06:23 <root66> with splitters, you could rig the whole thing to operate from a headset, but you still have wires and a mixer of some sort
Apr 11 09:06:45 <root66> hell you might even find a headset that already has an aux audio input
Apr 11 09:07:11 <root66> in which case you just plug in your source and go
Apr 11 09:08:18 <xtream> root66 : so eventually whosoever will gonna use my app needs that aux audio handset ?
Apr 11 09:09:17 <root66> look, there is no way to pipe audio directly into the call without some kind of additional hardware
Apr 11 09:09:21 <root66> I don't know how I can make that any more clear
Apr 11 09:09:38 <hoangtran> @dominic: I've seen this sometimes. Not since I upgrade to r18. Try editing the config in General/Editors/File Associations. Btw, I use IntelliJ IDEA :)
Apr 11 09:09:39 <root66> the headphone/mic jack are the only way
Apr 11 09:10:25 <rakan> Hello
Apr 11 09:11:04 <rakan> Can anyone help me find out how i can add a carousel (swipe to flip between views) in android?
Apr 11 09:12:18 <root66> rakan: I think you want ViewFlipper
Apr 11 09:13:49 <alex_PP> rakan, ViewPager in the compat lib is better than Flipper
Apr 11 09:13:59 <rakan> root66: am currently trying it out... i had to use some code for gestures and stuff like that. However, the experience doesn't seem like the one used in the current google play app
Apr 11 09:14:28 <rakan> alex_PP: i did download the extra package but whenever am adding the viewpager to my layout it gives me a class not found error... the Jar file was also added to my build path
Apr 11 09:16:32 <xtream> root66: so i dont need to do any changes in android app right ?
Apr 11 09:19:08 <alex_PP> rakan, tried FragmentActivity, not Activity?
Apr 11 09:19:29 <rakan> alex_PP: nope,,, will give it a try now
Apr 11 09:23:33 <Gaz`> hmm picasa api is driving me nuts
Apr 11 09:30:21 <storkme> http://robotoole.com/blog/wp/android-gallery-convertview-is-always-null/ <-- fo' real?
Apr 11 09:31:38 <romainguy__> yes for real
Apr 11 09:31:40 <romainguy__> since 1.0
Apr 11 09:31:47 <storkme> oh okay
Apr 11 09:31:50 <romainguy__> we don't have an ETA for a fix at this time
Apr 11 09:32:00 <storkme> i'll just create my own View[] and use that in the adapter
Apr 11 09:35:00 <KungPhoo> Hi. I get unsatisfied linker errors, but no details about it (I think) http://pastebin.com/fk4FHm1z
Apr 11 09:35:31 <Snuffel> makes sense to me
Apr 11 09:35:33 <Snuffel> failed to link libmain.so
Apr 11 09:35:39 <KungPhoo> yes, but why?
Apr 11 09:35:49 <Snuffel> apparently it's not there
Apr 11 09:35:55 <KungPhoo> it's in the same dir as libSDL2.so
Apr 11 09:36:09 <Snuffel> in lowercase?
Apr 11 09:36:15 <Snuffel> it's linux you kno
Apr 11 09:36:16 <Snuffel> w
Apr 11 09:36:17 <KungPhoo> yes. "libmain.so"
Apr 11 09:37:02 <KungPhoo> with the console, it's there in /data/data/com...
Apr 11 09:37:52 <KungPhoo> good size, same rwx as libSDL2
Apr 11 09:37:59 <Snuffel> weird
Apr 11 09:38:24 <KungPhoo> could it be that it requires another library to run?
Apr 11 09:38:26 <Snuffel> have you tried turning it off and on again?
Apr 11 09:38:34 <KungPhoo> the emulator?
Apr 11 09:38:42 <Snuffel> sure
Apr 11 09:41:07 <KungPhoo> still
Apr 11 09:41:38 <root66> xtream: how the hell should I know? I have never seen the app or the code it uses
Apr 11 09:41:43 <KungPhoo> maybe the "...15 more" shows details?
Apr 11 09:41:48 <root66> you asked how to pipe sound in, and I told you the only way
Apr 11 09:41:57 <root66> period
Apr 11 09:46:34 <KungPhoo> oh. libSDL2 is compiled with another ndk version
Apr 11 09:46:59 <Snuffel> oh you did it wrong!!
Apr 11 09:47:00 <Snuffel> :)
Apr 11 09:52:46 <KungPhoo> hopefully
Apr 11 09:53:58 <KungPhoo> nope. still
Apr 11 09:56:23 <joel135> hi! can I somehow handle what happens when a SeekBar is clicked myself? so that when it is clicked, the only code that gets executed is mine. eg if that code is {}-empty, the SeekBar doesn't change
Apr 11 09:56:56 <hoangtran> anyone has ant build file that has signing target?
Apr 11 09:57:39 <joel135> I'm also interested in changing other ways of interacting with the SeekBar
Apr 11 10:03:20 <RobinB> hi
Apr 11 10:14:56 <rendar> if i must have a background service which have to accepts some connections, where i should put the while loop, for the accept() ? onCreate() ?
Apr 11 10:18:26 <alankila> rendar: absolutely not. You must never block the UI thread.
Apr 11 10:18:40 <alankila> you can start a Thread to listen for something, maybe.
Apr 11 10:19:54 <alankila> rendar: and if you wish to start listening something during onCreate, you will want to stop this thread in onDestroy.
Apr 11 10:30:22 <xtream> root66 : i checked it in a local hardware store , they dont have any convertor which converts audio + mic into one input .. :) go to find something online
Apr 11 10:34:05 <Gaz`> just wasted 9 hrs on picasa stuff
Apr 11 10:34:10 <Gaz`> its virtually impossible
Apr 11 10:34:16 <Gaz`> especially with out of memory errors all over
Apr 11 10:37:47 <virtx> is there a way to read the removed sms?
Apr 11 10:42:23 <mvno_subscriber> hi. i'm trying to fix an android app i inherited. it's troubled by a lot of crunching code in the ui which it uses startService(..) to execute. However, if I wrap this in a separate thread, the ui still becomes unresponsive while it's working and I get an "app not responding .. force close or wait" dialog. my question is, could it for some reason execute code in the ui thread after all? or is it possible that the background thread eats up so ma
Apr 11 10:42:39 <rendar> alankila: thanks, is what i guessed :)
Apr 11 10:44:11 <kselos> how to force the number of elements on the screen in GaleryView ?
Apr 11 10:56:00 <kselos> anyone ?
Apr 11 10:56:54 <chups> what do you guys prefer to use when implementing an actionbar?
Apr 11 10:57:16 <chups> i know google just released actionbarcompat
Apr 11 10:57:24 <chups> but it still isn't as mature as actionbarsherlock
Apr 11 10:57:33 <chups> although there are problems with actionbarsherlock
Apr 11 10:57:46 <chups> i.e. no overflow in ICS
Apr 11 10:57:55 <chups> http://groups.google.com/group/actionbarsherlock/browse_thread/thread/e9bc776886d25198
Apr 11 10:57:55 <SimonVT> How is that a problem
Apr 11 10:57:57 <chups> hmmm..
Apr 11 10:57:59 <SimonVT> That's the native behavior
Apr 11 10:57:59 <chups> any ideas?
Apr 11 10:58:03 <SimonVT> How Google made the ActionBar
Apr 11 10:58:24 <chups> i'm not pointing out a problem or anything
Apr 11 10:58:25 <SimonVT> The same will happen with actionbarcompat, since it proxies to the native implementation on HC+
Apr 11 10:58:39 <chups> so you use ActionBarCompat?
Apr 11 10:58:44 <SimonVT> No
Apr 11 10:58:48 <SimonVT> I use ABS
Apr 11 10:58:54 <chups> i'm asking what's common
Apr 11 10:58:56 <chups> hmmm..
Apr 11 10:58:59 <chups> okay..
Apr 11 10:59:06 <chups> any problems you've encountered?
Apr 11 10:59:26 <SimonVT> ABC will never be as mature as ABS. ABC is simply a sample on how to use the native implementation on platforms that support it, and fall back to a compat implementation on those that don't
Apr 11 11:00:19 <chups> okay..
Apr 11 11:00:23 <chups> hmmm
Apr 11 11:00:27 <chups> something's eluded me for a while
Apr 11 11:00:33 <MlkeDG> i use Action Bar Scott too
Apr 11 11:00:46 <chups> it's that line separator in between menus in the actionbar
Apr 11 11:00:49 <chups> is that an image?
Apr 11 11:01:03 <chups> or a rendered view with special types of shadows and a white line?
Apr 11 11:01:26 <chups> action bar scott * googling
Apr 11 11:01:36 <MlkeDG> chups: it's a joke
Apr 11 11:01:40 <MlkeDG> :P
Apr 11 11:01:44 <chups> LOL
Apr 11 11:01:55 <chups> don't get the reference
Apr 11 11:01:59 <chups> haha
Apr 11 11:02:58 <Blou_Aap> is there a way to do the double action bar thing when the screen is in portrait mode?  (Tablets)
Apr 11 11:03:10 <Blou_Aap> you know, like force it...
Apr 11 11:03:40 <Blou_Aap> would really not like to do configuration changes listener thingie...
Apr 11 11:04:45 <SimonVT> chups: It's just a divider drawn by the viewgroup
Apr 11 11:24:13 <g00s> interesting stuff (security) http://leviathansecurity.com/blog/archives/17-Zero-Permission-Android-Applications.html
Apr 11 11:26:33 <appel1> g00s: no surprises there
Apr 11 11:26:51 <storkme> that is quite interesting
Apr 11 11:27:17 <appel1> g00s: and since most users blindly accepts all permissions anyway what is available with no permissions doesn't really matter
Apr 11 11:27:29 <g00s> heh, indeed
Apr 11 11:28:18 <appel1> g00s: but it would be nice if the sandbox for android apps didn't leak so much, but it's probably to late for that now
Apr 11 11:31:57 <g00s> my neighbor works at adobe; it was interesting to hear the inside scoop of how their developers feel about android
Apr 11 11:32:08 <g00s> of course, we could say plenty of things about adobe too XD XD
Apr 11 11:32:37 <MarcAurelio> Hi all
Apr 11 11:33:50 <appel1> g00s: yeah, their flash updater on windows hasn't worked reliably since day one so I'd give them an incompetence rating of 9 out of 10
Apr 11 11:34:22 <g00s> hah, well it was interesting to hear that most of the work is outsourced now
Apr 11 11:34:35 <g00s> all core technologies
Apr 11 11:35:04 <appel1> g00s: interesting
Apr 11 11:35:25 <g00s> the transition took about 10 years
Apr 11 11:37:34 <aleb> I have view.loadUrl("file:///android_asset/about.html") which works fine. To reference another asset, I used <a href="m.html">More</a> but I get an error: The webpage at file:///android_asset//android_asset/m.html might be temporarily down bla bla - Any idea how to reference it correctly? /m.html tries to load file:///android_asset//m.html and file:///android_asset/m.html tries to load file:///android_asset//android_asset/m.html
Apr 11 11:38:33 <Knossos> aleb: You need to set the base URL
Apr 11 11:39:24 <Knossos> Ah, no
Apr 11 11:39:37 <Knossos> That is only if you are loading html from a string.
Apr 11 11:40:09 <Knossos> you could try ./m.html
Apr 11 11:40:24 <aleb> let me try
Apr 11 11:45:25 <aleb> Knossos, I think it's the custom URL resolver I'm using, I'll fix that.
Apr 11 11:47:53 <flier>  is it possible to monitor network connections with ddms ?
Apr 11 11:58:10 <Blou_Aap> anyone know how to double the action bar ? so that tabs are below action bar ?
Apr 11 12:32:33 <jiduvah> hello
Apr 11 12:39:43 <KungPhoo> it still won't load my main.so file. Does this help: http://pastebin.com/hSJDd0fQ
Apr 11 12:42:22 <pardom> Has anyone noticed clicking, or audio artifacts when calling AudioRecord.stop() or AudioRecord.release()?
Apr 11 12:43:47 <zapa123> why my eclipse suddendly wants to debug everytime when I run application? i dont hit debug button. it worked before.
Apr 11 12:44:00 <zapa123> somehow it thinks run == debug
Apr 11 12:47:09 <zapa123> i tried to change stuff from preferences but no luck
Apr 11 12:53:40 <xroberx> hi
Apr 11 12:54:44 <zapa123> yo
Apr 11 12:54:52 <zapa123> i got it fixed
Apr 11 12:54:58 <xroberx> does anyone have any experience with openglES in android ? how many poligons do you use in your 3d models ? Is 7500 triangles fine for most phones if i expect a frame rate of 25fps ?
Apr 11 12:57:54 <zapa123> crap i did not get it fixed
Apr 11 12:59:10 <zapa123> aah now i got it
Apr 11 12:59:15 <zapa123> had stupid breakpoints
Apr 11 12:59:31 <zapa123> and setting for always debug mode when breakpoints
Apr 11 13:06:21 <storkme> yo canadiancow i heard your boss is getting stalked
Apr 11 13:06:45 <Chainfire> so
Apr 11 13:07:01 <Chainfire> anybody know how to get write permission to the external SD card on 3.2 and up?
Apr 11 13:07:08 <Chainfire> WRITE_MEDIA_STORAGE is not being granted
Apr 11 13:07:32 <pardom> WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE
Apr 11 13:07:35 <droidbuster> No matter what my Gui Xml editor accross many different projects isnt loading correctly it wont render the main.xml..... there are no errors Can someone give me a hand figuring that problem out ?
Apr 11 13:07:52 <Chainfire> pardom> yeah, that only works for internal storage ;)
Apr 11 13:07:52 <droidbuster> there must have been many people whom have had this problem
Apr 11 13:08:17 <pardom> :| I think you're mistaken http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html#WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE
Apr 11 13:08:26 <Chainfire> pardom> I'm not.
Apr 11 13:09:08 <Chainfire> there is now also "media storage", the external SD card needs that permission to get the right group for writing
Apr 11 13:09:10 <pardom> WRITE_MEDIA_STORAGE is not even a constant, where are you seeing that?
Apr 11 13:09:13 <Chainfire> but the permission itself is protected
Apr 11 13:09:47 <Chainfire> resulting that on a number of tablets, 3rd party apps cannot write to external storage at all
Apr 11 13:10:11 <droidbuster> Anybody ?
Apr 11 13:11:27 <pardom> Chainfire: I assume you've already looked at the source? There's two groups sdcard_rw and media_rw
Apr 11 13:11:43 <As4xk> Hi. I have a service (which run within the phone process). This service is supose to answer and hangup calls. Answer call works fine, but when i try to use telephonyservice.endcall(); i get an error telling me that the method will deadlock if called from the main thread. I have tried to wrap the telephonyService.endcall() in a new thread, but i get the same error. Any idea on how i can use this method without causing deadlock?
Apr 11 13:11:57 <Chainfire> pardom> yes, it seems to be impossible to get media_rw group
Apr 11 13:12:13 <pardom> I still don't understand why WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE wouldn't work.
Apr 11 13:12:22 <Chainfire> because that grants only sdcard_rw
Apr 11 13:12:58 <Chainfire> which on dual storage (internal storage and external sd card) devices refers to internal storage only, while the external sd card has media_rw
Apr 11 13:13:00 <pardom> seems like a poor implementation by manufacturers to me
Apr 11 13:14:21 <lov> you need to use WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE.
Apr 11 13:14:29 <lov> Don't complain when things aren't working because you don't want to do them correctly.
Apr 11 13:14:32 * Chainfire repeats that that does not actually work
Apr 11 13:15:04 <pardom> some pastie code would help
Apr 11 13:15:05 <lov> oh?
Apr 11 13:15:11 * lov re-reads
Apr 11 13:15:24 <lov> where are you trying to store content? Are you using the Environment methods?
Apr 11 13:15:29 <lov> what device is this?
Apr 11 13:15:38 <SimonVT> I suppose Chainfire is talking about devices which has both external storage, and a sd card
Apr 11 13:15:49 <Chainfire> SimonVT> correct
Apr 11 13:15:57 <Chainfire> lov> I'm testing this on a SGT 7.7
Apr 11 13:16:07 <Chainfire> but some Googling has revealed that a number of Honeycomb devices have this issue
Apr 11 13:16:41 <lov> glorious samsung.
Apr 11 13:16:45 <lov> hmph
Apr 11 13:16:50 <Chainfire> and glorious toshiba
Apr 11 13:16:52 <lov> EXTERNAL_STORAGE should be valid for all user visible usb storage
Apr 11 13:16:53 <Chainfire> and glorious asus
Apr 11 13:16:57 <Chainfire> and glorious, hmm, every manufacturer ?
Apr 11 13:17:00 <lov> so if that's not working, that's odd.
Apr 11 13:17:12 <lov> What Environment calls are giving you locations that you can't write to?
Apr 11 13:17:51 <Chainfire> I'm not using Environment to get sdcard location, because that is completely useless on multi-external-storage devices
Apr 11 13:18:11 <lov> ...... ah.
Apr 11 13:18:12 <Chainfire> but Environment *would* return /mnt/sdcard
Apr 11 13:18:21 <Chainfire> the current folder is /mnt/sdcard/extStorages/SdCard
Apr 11 13:18:44 <appel1> it's a shame you can't just tell customers with such broken devices that multiple external storage devices isn't supported by android :\
Apr 11 13:18:58 <Chainfire> exactly
Apr 11 13:19:12 <lov> Yeah, multiple storage points is a pain. I ended up looking through all storage points reported by df for a valid location for our app to use
Apr 11 13:19:19 <lov> that said, I do default to the partition on Environment.getExternalStorage
Apr 11 13:19:21 <hillct> Good morning all. Being relatively new to android development, I have a best-practices question. I need to on-boot, after SD card recources are ready, perform an operation. There are of course intents to listen for BOOT_COMPLETE and SD_READY but is there a preferred approach for detecting that a particular SD_READY intent has occurred as a result of a reboot, or because the user un-mounted and re-mounted it? The approach I was goin
Apr 11 13:19:22 <hillct> take was to set a preferences flag, but is there a preferred approach?
Apr 11 13:19:46 <Chainfire> lov> I like to offer the choice, and autodetect etc - which isnt a problem
Apr 11 13:19:55 <Chainfire> but now I can't seem to friggin' write to the area
Apr 11 13:20:01 <lov> Right.
Apr 11 13:20:02 <pardom> Guys, I wrote this class. It woks great, but on some devices there is an audible clicking when recording stops. Could it be a problem with my code, or with the native implementation of AudioRecord? http://www.michaelpardo.com/2012/03/recording-audio-streams/
Apr 11 13:20:32 <Chainfire> We've had multiple-external-storage devies since Android 2.0, it's completely retarded that by 3.2 it _still_ isn't properly supported.
Apr 11 13:20:35 <lov> The problem is that if you're just picking hardcoded paths, etc, there's no guarantee that anything will work correctly.
Apr 11 13:20:52 <lov> Right, well, the problem is that multiple storage isn't something that the Android team drove. It's something that the manufacturers just kind of DID.
Apr 11 13:21:04 <Chainfire> and that makes a difference, how ?
Apr 11 13:21:06 <appel1> lov: it is retarted that manufacturers added it to their devices
Apr 11 13:21:10 <lov> ....
Apr 11 13:21:21 <Chainfire> WTF cares what the Google team wants? It's about what the customers want, and the customers want more storage, and thus manufacturers give more storage
Apr 11 13:21:32 <lov> well, no.
Apr 11 13:21:35 <lov> The customers want more storage
Apr 11 13:21:40 <lov> but the manufacturers are giving MULTIPLE STORAGE POINTS
Apr 11 13:21:42 <lov> instead of MORE STORAGE.
Apr 11 13:21:58 <Chainfire> they give an X number of builtin storage, and extendable storage
Apr 11 13:22:03 <Chainfire> it is the ideal solution
Apr 11 13:22:04 <appel1> Chainfire: then they could've added more storage insteaded of creating the broken mess we have now
Apr 11 13:22:07 <lov> no, it's really not
Apr 11 13:22:13 <lov> because now you have TWO places you can possibly write your external storage
Apr 11 13:22:20 <lov> and now, as a developer, you need to figure out which one to use
Apr 11 13:22:28 <lov> or you need to offload that decision onto the user who doesn't give a fuck
Apr 11 13:22:45 <Chainfire> thats my point - the user *does* give a fuck
Apr 11 13:22:50 <lov> additionally, because there's no official APIs, that means that the actual results are not predictable
Apr 11 13:22:53 <lov> no
Apr 11 13:22:54 <lov> CM users give a fuck
Apr 11 13:22:58 <lov> end users don't even know what storage is
Apr 11 13:23:09 <Chainfire> else they would not insert an SD card in the first place, and there would only be one choice, so no problem :)
Apr 11 13:23:14 <lov> hahaha
Apr 11 13:23:15 <lov> dude
Apr 11 13:23:22 <lov> the devices come with the sd cards preinsterted
Apr 11 13:23:25 <lov> *pre-inserted
Apr 11 13:23:32 <Chainfire> maybe in your neck of the woods
Apr 11 13:23:35 <lov> o_O
Apr 11 13:23:44 <lov> by which you mean "the civilized world" yes I suppose so?
Apr 11 13:23:45 <storkme> O.o
Apr 11 13:23:50 <Chainfire> I've *never* had an SD card preinstalled in my phone
Apr 11 13:23:54 <lov> hahaha whaaaaat
Apr 11 13:23:56 <Chainfire> and I've purchased abuot 100 smartphones
Apr 11 13:23:57 <lov> where the fuck are you from
Apr 11 13:24:01 <hillct> With regard to external sorage, you'd think support could be achieved by returning a list when Environment.getExternalStorage is checked in list context, and a string when in string context, where the string would return the 'default' device
Apr 11 13:24:13 <Chainfire> Netherlands
Apr 11 13:24:15 <lov> where the carrier/manufacturer would skimp out on a $10 storage point on a $600 phone
Apr 11 13:24:22 <lov> ok, in the US, this never ever happens
Apr 11 13:24:25 <Chainfire> right
Apr 11 13:24:28 <Chainfire> so here's something
Apr 11 13:24:33 <lov> and the US market is dramatically larger than the netherlands market
Apr 11 13:24:36 <Knossos> Ive always had SD in mine (Germany, UK). But they have always been shitty cards.
Apr 11 13:24:36 <Chainfire> the US is not the world, and your assumptions do not work for the rest of us
Apr 11 13:24:51 <lov> while true, the US is one of the largest markets
Apr 11 13:24:53 <Napalm> Chainfire: nice work with SuperSU
Apr 11 13:25:00 <storkme> always had a SD card in mine (uk)
Apr 11 13:25:02 <Chainfire> Napalm> thx
Apr 11 13:25:07 <lov> so it's reasonable to assume that if you're writing an app, a US user is going to be using it
Apr 11 13:25:13 <lov> look
Apr 11 13:25:17 <Chainfire> regardless
Apr 11 13:25:27 <Chainfire> *my* customers care about where shit is stored
Apr 11 13:25:27 <lov> I've literally never come across a device which had an external storage point and didn't actually have it filled, even with a super cheapo card
Apr 11 13:25:35 <Chainfire> cause I generate lots of GB's of data
Apr 11 13:25:52 <Chainfire> and the devices have had support for this for years
Apr 11 13:26:06 <lov> alright, well, if you don't use the visible apis there's no guarantee of what will happen. The only guarantee is what CTS promises.
Apr 11 13:26:10 <Chainfire> that Google (and you?) still acts like it doesn't exist is just plain stupid.
Apr 11 13:26:37 <lov> Chainfire: I'm genuinely curious about what kind of api interface you'd write for this.
Apr 11 13:27:04 <Napalm> arg, the android compatibility library should have PreferenceFragment in it
Apr 11 13:27:19 <Napalm> now i have to go pull it out of the android source myself
Apr 11 13:29:01 <lov> Chainfire: please ensure that the implementation is rigorous, and now counts for multiple removable storage points, non-removable storage points, ways to query for them, a way to determine the DEFAULT storage point to use (which the user can override)
Apr 11 13:29:25 <Chainfire> lov> whats so hard about that
Apr 11 13:29:44 <lov> nothing, right? Feel free to write it, and submit it to AOSP.
Apr 11 13:29:59 <Chainfire> that doesnt help the problem I'm having now
Apr 11 13:30:07 <lov> so your solution is to just complain?
Apr 11 13:30:15 <Chainfire> which is that I still cant write to external SD card, which my customers need, and they'll blame both me and Android for it :)
Apr 11 13:30:25 <Chainfire> lov> no, my solution was to come here and ask if there was any solution
Apr 11 13:30:33 <storkme> to be fair they'll probably blame you, not android
Apr 11 13:30:34 <lov> ok, so back to THAT question
Apr 11 13:30:53 <lov> what's the situation with the actual file permissions?
Apr 11 13:31:01 <appel1> Chainfire: tell them to blame the manufacturer of their device ;)
Apr 11 13:31:05 <lov> is that other storage point mounted under some other permissions scheme?
Apr 11 13:31:17 <Chainfire> yes it uses media_rw instead of sdcard_rw
Apr 11 13:31:19 <lov> What apps do you know about that CAN write to it? Is it only the built-in camera?
Apr 11 13:31:21 <Chainfire> as user/group
Apr 11 13:31:30 <Chainfire> all embedded apps can write to it
Apr 11 13:31:40 <lov> so only systemOrSignature?
Apr 11 13:31:40 <Chainfire> because android.permission.WRITE_MEDIA_STORAGE is granted to all platform apps
Apr 11 13:31:56 <Chainfire> yup
Apr 11 13:32:14 <lov> so it's literally impossible for you to do this, because the manufacturer decided to create a "hidden" storage point that only they can access.
Apr 11 13:32:38 <lov> I'm not sure how this is an android problem instead of a manufacturer problem. There are other devices with multiple storage points that don't create special permissions to hide them.
Apr 11 13:32:41 <Chainfire> again, multiple manufacturers have the exact same problems
Apr 11 13:32:58 <Chainfire> that is what makes me believe Google has had something to do with it
Apr 11 13:33:22 <appel1> Chainfire: why can't multiple manufacturers do the same stupid thing?
Apr 11 13:33:30 <lov> Why are you so convinced google wants to provide a special method for only manufacturers to have access to their pretty princess storage?
Apr 11 13:33:33 <lov> They're MANUFACTURERS
Apr 11 13:33:43 <lov> they're a synonym for "short sighted stupid decisions and breaking compatability"
Apr 11 13:34:24 <Chainfire> well, it's possible they all made the same mistake, I would just call it unlikely the all make the exact same mistake, with exactly the same permissions and exactly the same solution for root users
Apr 11 13:34:24 <hackkitten> so where's the GPU acceleration hidden for AVDs?
Apr 11 13:34:29 <Chainfire> that's just not likely
Apr 11 13:34:44 <lov> Chainfire: pull AOSP down, look for "media_rw" in there, see if you can find anything there.
Apr 11 13:34:46 <appel1> Chainfire: why not? one did it first and the others copied it
Apr 11 13:34:49 <lov> ^^
Apr 11 13:35:33 <appel1> Chainfire: and they might not consider it a mistake, perhaps they think it is a feature that makes life simpler for them
Apr 11 13:36:08 <lov> ^^
Apr 11 13:36:20 <lov> "Users can use the camera now, even when they fill up storage! GENIUS!"
Apr 11 13:36:46 <lov> I seriously doubt that there's some grand google conspiracy. Remember Hanlon's razor.
Apr 11 13:37:32 <Chainfire> great that you trust Google so much
Apr 11 13:37:35 * Chainfire doesn't
Apr 11 13:37:47 <Chainfire> oh dear
Apr 11 13:37:50 <Chainfire> android_filesystem_config.h
Apr 11 13:37:58 <Chainfire> "media_rw"
Apr 11 13:38:46 <appel1> Chainfire: and it is used for what in aosp?
Apr 11 13:38:46 <lov> ok, so take a look at whats going on there.
Apr 11 13:40:34 <Chainfire> ah
Apr 11 13:40:44 <Chainfire> ./system/vold/Volume.cpp-            // For secondary external storage we keep things locked up.
Apr 11 13:40:44 <Chainfire> ./system/vold/Volume.cpp:            gid = AID_MEDIA_RW;
Apr 11 13:40:51 <Chainfire> still not by design?
Apr 11 13:41:09 <lov> ok, well done colombo
Apr 11 13:41:17 <lov> you've discovered the conspiracy of MEDIA_RW
Apr 11 13:41:28 <appel1> Chainfire: then you have your answer for your customers :)
Apr 11 13:41:39 <lov> bring it up during office hours, ask what's going on and how you can get at it
Apr 11 13:41:42 <lov> or contact a dev rel
Apr 11 13:44:27 <Chainfire> guess that'll have to do
Apr 11 13:44:36 <Chainfire> but thanks for the hostility either way ;)
Apr 11 13:45:48 <storkme> that's what irc is all about yo
Apr 11 13:47:37 <Gaz`> wowza finally got my picasa module going, after like 12 hours
Apr 11 13:50:51 <lov> In other news, perforce continues to make me rage.
Apr 11 13:51:02 <Gaz`> hehe
Apr 11 13:54:58 <hillct> I have a best-practices question. I need to on-boot, after SD card recources are ready, perform an operation. There are of course intents to listen for BOOT_COMPLETE and SD_READY but is there a preferred approach for detecting that a particular SD_READY intent has occurred as a result of a reboot, or because the user un-mounted and re-mounted it? The approach I was going to take was to set a preferences flag, but is there a preferr
Apr 11 13:54:58 <hillct> approach?
Apr 11 13:55:17 <lov> yeah, there's no good answer here.
Apr 11 13:55:33 <hillct> ok, that was my thnking
Apr 11 13:55:43 <hillct> I just hate setting a ton o stupid preerence flegs
Apr 11 13:55:50 <hillct> er flags
Apr 11 13:55:51 <lov> well, you don't have to set a bunch
Apr 11 13:55:57 <hillct> 2
Apr 11 13:56:01 <lov> not even 2.
Apr 11 13:56:07 <lov> You only need one.
Apr 11 13:56:18 <lov> Have a receiver that handles both the BOOT_COMPLETE and SD_READY intents.
Apr 11 13:56:39 <hillct> I have to handle the condition of user wants my service started on-boot, and service is running when they unmount the SD card
Apr 11 13:57:11 <lov> when you get the BOOT_COMPLETE intent, check whether the SD card is ready for use via Environment. If it is, great. Set "not_run" to false. If it's not, set "not_run" to true. When your SD_READY intent comes in, check whether "not_run" is true. If it is, perform the action, and set it to false.
Apr 11 13:57:22 <hillct> in order to etermine whether it's an on-boot restart, or an unmount/remount case where restart depens upon previous on/of state
Apr 11 13:57:28 <lov> right right right right right
Apr 11 13:57:29 <lov> stop
Apr 11 13:57:32 <lov> this is solved.
Apr 11 13:57:37 <lov> see what I wrote.
Apr 11 13:57:42 <mikedg> up,up, down,down
Apr 11 13:57:44 <hillct> yup. thanks
Apr 11 13:58:00 <lov> you either perform your action in the BOOT_COMPLETE receiver or the SD_READY receiver, but once you've performed the action you set your preference to false.
Apr 11 13:58:15 <lov> if you're not ready in the BOOT_COMPLETE receiver, don't run the action, set the pref to true.
Apr 11 13:58:40 <hillct> yeah, still aggrevating there isn't a more elegant way to do it
Apr 11 13:59:37 <hillct> Is there a good argument for creating the secondary intent filter on the fly, rather than in the manifest?
Apr 11 13:59:47 <hillct> I don't think there is...
Apr 11 14:00:03 <lov> don't bother.
Apr 11 14:00:06 <lov> this is extremely simple as is
Apr 11 14:00:20 <hillct> perhaps I'm over-engineering it
Apr 11 14:00:23 <lov> you are.
Apr 11 14:00:40 <hillct> ty
Apr 11 14:00:50 <lov> yw <3
Apr 11 14:02:33 <apoc> i was just wondering whats the most common naming convention for ids? I was using camelcase, but most people seem to use something like this: R.id.foo_bar
Apr 11 14:02:51 <lov> whatever you want big fella
Apr 11 14:03:27 <mikedg> I use cLIFF cASE
Apr 11 14:03:47 <Jug6ernaut> eww
Apr 11 14:04:04 <mikedg> thats what she said
Apr 11 14:04:13 <apoc> lol ok
Apr 11 14:04:21 <Jug6ernaut> she said that to u? sad story...
Apr 11 14:04:52 <canadiancow|work> whats the best way to get a phone's screen showing on a tv
Apr 11 14:04:56 <canadiancow|work> the tv is fully featured
Apr 11 14:05:00 <canadiancow|work> and has a logitech revue connected
Apr 11 14:05:17 <evancharlton> canadiancow|work: get a video camera
Apr 11 14:05:18 <mikedg> canadiancow|work: I like AirPlay
Apr 11 14:05:22 <hillct> One other question, Is there an intent I can listen for to et a few seconds to finish writing a file PRIOR to MEDIA_UNMOUNTED?
Apr 11 14:05:26 <mikedg> AirPlay is awesome
Apr 11 14:05:38 <jeppy> hdmi cable
Apr 11 14:05:40 <Jug6ernaut> canadiancow|work realtime?
Apr 11 14:05:40 <shlumph> I like USB to S cable converters
Apr 11 14:06:06 <evancharlton> hillct: why would that even be possible?
Apr 11 14:06:20 <lov> hillct: look in the Environment class, you'll get a warning when the storage is about to unmount
Apr 11 14:06:24 <lov> evancharlton: look in the Environment class :P
Apr 11 14:06:27 <mikedg> evancharlton, we are going back to the future!
Apr 11 14:06:31 <lov> it won't be a few seconds though, it might be like 100ms
Apr 11 14:06:34 <canadiancow|work> Jug6ernaut: yes
Apr 11 14:06:38 <hillct> evancharlton: user has requested to unmount their SD card, "let this be your warnding, applicaitons"
Apr 11 14:06:39 <canadiancow|work> evancharlton: ... not helpful
Apr 11 14:06:42 <evancharlton> lov: yeah, a few seconds was my point :)
Apr 11 14:06:47 <Jug6ernaut> canadiancow|work what device
Apr 11 14:06:52 <Jug6ernaut> most support hdmi out these days
Apr 11 14:06:57 <evancharlton> also, if the user just pulls the SD card, you're not going to be notified
Apr 11 14:07:04 <mikedg> sure you are
Apr 11 14:07:11 <mikedg> wasnt that the point of the door on the g1?
Apr 11 14:07:25 <mikedg> and the push in? when you push it in, thats the warning
Apr 11 14:07:26 <evancharlton> mikedg: oh, yeah, lots of people still have G1s :P
Apr 11 14:07:32 <lov> hmm...
Apr 11 14:07:32 <hillct> evancharlton: that's certainly true, but I was hoping to at least elegantly handle a sotware unmount event
Apr 11 14:07:34 <mikedg> then you pull out and the sd card card explodes all over
Apr 11 14:07:36 <lov> evancharlton: actually!
Apr 11 14:07:43 <lov> evancharlton: in the G1, there was a warning when you opened the little cover
Apr 11 14:07:52 <evancharlton> lov: 10:08 < evancharlton> mikedg: oh, yeah, lots of people still have G1s :P
Apr 11 14:07:56 <lov> oh shut it :|
Apr 11 14:08:01 <lov> anyway, I don't even see that stuff in Environment
Apr 11 14:08:03 <mikedg> i still have a g1
Apr 11 14:08:05 <lov> it might have just been silently removed :P
Apr 11 14:08:08 <evancharlton> I doubt it
Apr 11 14:08:11 <mikedg> at one time it was by far the most popular android phone
Apr 11 14:08:23 <evancharlton> mikedg: yeah, almost 100% of users had it!!
Apr 11 14:08:23 <Jug6ernaut> ofc
Apr 11 14:08:26 <Jug6ernaut> when it was the only one
Apr 11 14:08:31 <lov> hmm
Apr 11 14:08:32 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_MEDIA_EJECT
Apr 11 14:08:46 <hillct> mikedg: at one time it was the ONLY android phone
Apr 11 14:09:01 <hillct> lol, evancharlton beat me to it
Apr 11 14:09:06 <Gaz`> is there a quick way to find out how often a string appears within a larger string?
Apr 11 14:09:07 <mikedg> does anyone actually listen for ACTION_MEDIA_ERECT?
Apr 11 14:09:12 <Jug6ernaut> no
Apr 11 14:09:13 <mikedg> gaz: guess
Apr 11 14:09:30 <Gaz`> hehe
Apr 11 14:09:32 <Gaz`> no then
Apr 11 14:09:32 <hillct> I want all my media to be erect
Apr 11 14:09:53 <evancharlton> Gaz`: .indexOf(..) until it returns -1 ...?
Apr 11 14:10:00 <Snuffel> hehe
Apr 11 14:10:01 <Snuffel> erect
Apr 11 14:10:02 <Gaz`> yeh i guess so
Apr 11 14:10:04 <Gaz`> cheers
Apr 11 14:10:17 <lov> Gaz`: is there a quick way to find out if you actually think about a question before you ask it?
Apr 11 14:10:25 <evancharlton> lov: no
Apr 11 14:10:34 <lov> shit
Apr 11 14:10:45 <Gaz`> well i looked into it, thought maybe some of u gurus knew something cool :)
Apr 11 14:11:00 <evancharlton> Gaz`: I just told you
Apr 11 14:11:02 <lov> oh, yeah, you just use String.doMyJobForMe()
Apr 11 14:11:22 <Gaz`> yeh evancharlton i guess thats what ill do
Apr 11 14:11:26 * Jug6ernaut loves that function
Apr 11 14:11:47 <dominicdinada> android.provider.Telephony; is the same as telephony now right ?
Apr 11 14:13:06 <canadiancow|work> [10:06:47] <Jug6ernaut> canadiancow|work what device
Apr 11 14:13:16 <canadiancow|work> yea we're probably going to end up doing it that way
Apr 11 14:13:21 <canadiancow|work> but we have like 6 demos from 6 people
Apr 11 14:13:27 <canadiancow|work> all for a product with the same package name
Apr 11 14:13:30 <canadiancow|work> all signed with debug keys
Apr 11 14:13:41 <canadiancow|work> so it would have been nice to just be able to mirror shit easily :)
Apr 11 14:14:04 <mikedg> write an iphone version
Apr 11 14:14:07 <mikedg> and just demo it using airplay
Apr 11 14:14:09 <mikedg> problem solved
Apr 11 14:14:46 <mikedg> and you get the bonus of supporting a more popular platform
Apr 11 14:15:39 <hillct> Has anyone worked with the Mono development toolset which aparently compiles to both iPhone and Android targets?
Apr 11 14:16:00 <hillct> It's not at all clear how complete it is...
Apr 11 14:16:09 <hillct> from what I can tell
Apr 11 14:16:40 <Mikellip> Soon enough people will do most stuff in HTML5 anyways to make portable apps...? :-P
Apr 11 14:16:49 <Snuffel> yeah
Apr 11 14:17:01 <lov> the cross-platform libraries that promise to do things quickly and simply usually do things poorly and slowly.
Apr 11 14:17:06 <appel1> Mikellip: with everything looking and behaving like ios apps :\
Apr 11 14:28:38 <ElevenSquared> Good morning everyone.
Apr 11 14:29:29 <dominicdinada> is there any other xml gui editor that anybody uses besides eclipse ?
Apr 11 14:31:21 <canadiancow|work> mikedg why u mad?
Apr 11 14:31:23 <canadiancow|work> :(
Apr 11 14:39:39 <hackkitten> so where's the GPU acceleration hidden for AVDs? :)
Apr 11 14:39:46 <KungPhoo> can I get an JNIEnv pointer somehow?
Apr 11 14:40:05 <hackkitten> you get one in any native JNI function...
Apr 11 14:40:25 <KungPhoo> yes. But my framework (SDL) hides it from me
Apr 11 14:41:19 <lut4rp> Hrm... the onUpgrade() method of my database contains a very long running operation
Apr 11 14:41:38 <lut4rp> It is causing my ContentProvider to throw an ANR. Any suggestions what I can do? :|
Apr 11 14:41:56 <QubeZ> design better
Apr 11 14:42:18 <lut4rp> Heh
Apr 11 14:44:09 <QubeZ> if you're using content provider + cursorloader, shouldn't it just be in the background?
Apr 11 14:45:10 <lut4rp> I'm fairly certain I'm doing some incorrect design. Can't pinpoint it, though.
Apr 11 14:45:38 <lut4rp> The onCreate of ContentProvider does say not to do any long running operation or it'll slow down the application startup
Apr 11 14:46:38 <Wavesonics> in DDMS file exporer, my /data directory looks empty, why would that be...
Apr 11 14:51:50 <Wavesonics> do i need root to view /data?
Apr 11 14:51:58 <jasta> so....
Apr 11 14:52:12 <jasta> the emulator GPU support, it was never mentioned whether it supports linux explicitly or not so i just assumed yes
Apr 11 14:52:16 <jasta> looks like no?
Apr 11 14:52:17 <lov> Wavesonics: yes.
Apr 11 14:52:38 <jasta> still slow as balls over here...
Apr 11 14:54:19 <SimonVT> Did you enable it, jasta ?
Apr 11 14:54:28 <jasta> SimonVT: how is it enabled?
Apr 11 14:54:48 <jasta> oh with -gpu on?
Apr 11 14:54:56 <SimonVT> yep
Apr 11 14:54:58 <jasta> yeah that definitely made it fast.  why isn't that a default?
Apr 11 14:55:07 <jasta> as you said that i was actually booting it up with -gpu on to test
Apr 11 14:55:13 <jasta> color me surprised that this was needed.
Apr 11 14:55:14 <SimonVT> Cus it crashes on a lot of computers
Apr 11 14:55:22 <SimonVT> Mine included :(
Apr 11 14:55:32 <Wavesonics> damn...
Apr 11 14:55:42 <jasta> hmm, fonts look hideous
Apr 11 14:55:44 <Wavesonics> I am replacing my phone, and i want to back upn this stupid app
Apr 11 14:59:01 <lov> Wavesonics: cool story bro. #android-root, titanium backup
Apr 11 14:59:36 <Wavesonics> lov, I have to sned this phone back, will have to pay for it if it's rooted since it's being replaced under warranty
Apr 11 14:59:47 <lov> WELP!
Apr 11 14:59:56 <Wavesonics> :P
Apr 11 15:00:01 <lov> you could root it, pull the app, and replace it with stock
Apr 11 15:00:10 <Wavesonics> ya not worth it
Apr 11 15:00:13 <lov> ooooor you could just take the hit of not backing up your save games or whatever
Apr 11 15:00:17 <Wavesonics> thx for the thoughts though
Apr 11 15:00:24 <Wavesonics>  ya
Apr 11 15:00:34 <Wavesonics> it's a work out app im going to lose history in
Apr 11 15:00:36 <Wavesonics> not a big deal
Apr 11 15:00:43 <Wavesonics> idk why it doesnt provide a backup option
Apr 11 15:01:42 <mrBG> how do I set the image for my app? ie the image that shows among applications?
Apr 11 15:01:50 <wongk> it's kind of ridiculous you need root to back things up properly on Android
Apr 11 15:02:08 <lov> mrBG: set the icon for your Application in the manifest, set the icon for your Activity.
Apr 11 15:04:58 <dragorn> Wavesonics: if you're comfortable with linux in general
Apr 11 15:05:19 <dragorn> Wavesonics: just root it with zergrush, go in with shell, back it up, done.  It won't modify the phone.
Apr 11 15:05:53 <Wavesonics> dragorn, then what, factory reset after root?
Apr 11 15:07:00 <dragorn> "getting root" isn't the same as "keeping root".  Usually you'd exploit, then load su, superuser.apk, etc.  Don't do that.  Just exploit to root over adb shell, dump out your settings files, and reboot.  The exploit is transient unless you install suid-root stuff to keep access.
Apr 11 15:07:17 <dragorn> If you're not comfortable w/ linux shell stuff though it's probably goign to be a big hassle
Apr 11 15:08:35 <Wavesonics> dragorn, ah i got ya, no im comfortable w\ it. was thinking of unlocking the bootloader, flashing an image w\ root
Apr 11 15:08:55 <dragorn> that's highly invasive when you can jsut do somethign like zergrush, which almost every device is vulnerable to
Apr 11 15:09:16 <evancharlton> Wavesonics: unlocking your bootloader will do a FDR
Apr 11 15:09:27 <Wavesonics> true
Apr 11 15:20:35 <canadiancow|work> mikedg: lol @ g+ comment
Apr 11 15:22:44 <jasta> you know guys
Apr 11 15:22:48 <jasta> i wonder if IRC is ever going to die
Apr 11 15:23:20 <QubeZ> eventually, everything goes away
Apr 11 15:23:20 <canadiancow|work> are there any other public free real-time chat systems that allow 711 people in a room?
Apr 11 15:23:46 <jasta> it justs eems to be an enigma in the technical world
Apr 11 15:23:55 <evancharlton> yeah
Apr 11 15:24:01 <jasta> I can see a future where IRC outlives HTTP, for example.
Apr 11 15:24:06 <jasta> and that is really saying something
Apr 11 15:24:07 <evancharlton> what gets me about IRC is that it's basically unchanged
Apr 11 15:24:08 <canadiancow|work> lol
Apr 11 15:24:31 <evancharlton> the last major change to IRC was NickServ and ChanServ
Apr 11 15:24:47 <canadiancow|work> but those are... extensions
Apr 11 15:24:50 <canadiancow|work> IRC is still the same
Apr 11 15:24:54 <evancharlton> right
Apr 11 15:25:01 <evancharlton> that's my point
Apr 11 15:25:07 <`z> evancharlton, those are services
Apr 11 15:25:12 <`z> just addons
Apr 11 15:25:14 <evancharlton> SIGH
Apr 11 15:25:17 <evancharlton> you guys are morons
Apr 11 15:25:26 <canadiancow|work> I WAS CLARIFYING IT FOR OTHERS
Apr 11 15:25:29 <canadiancow|work> `z is trollin
Apr 11 15:25:34 <jcase> !addquote <evancharlton> you guys are morons
Apr 11 15:25:41 <`z> are you trying to say that IRCds come with *Serv by default?
Apr 11 15:25:48 <evancharlton> yes
Apr 11 15:25:50 <evancharlton> the obviously do
Apr 11 15:25:53 <evancharlton> it's in the protocol
Apr 11 15:25:55 <`z> no, they don't
Apr 11 15:25:56 <`z> they
Apr 11 15:25:57 <`z> don't
Apr 11 15:25:59 <jcase> ermph
Apr 11 15:26:00 <canadiancow|work> T_T
Apr 11 15:26:06 <canadiancow|work> evancharlton can i have +v before you +m
Apr 11 15:26:10 <evancharlton> `z: you're too easy
Apr 11 15:26:22 <`z> the IRCd is just the daemon
Apr 11 15:26:27 <jcase> ive never ran accross one that does, but I have never ran a kiddie ircD
Apr 11 15:26:27 <jasta> `z: he was obviously trolling you.  older than IRC itself is trolling IRC (wait, what?)
Apr 11 15:26:28 <`z> you have to run an additional services process
Apr 11 15:26:44 <evancharlton> `z: yes, we know.
Apr 11 15:26:58 <`z> but IRCds don't come with services by default.
Apr 11 15:27:01 <`z> that is all
Apr 11 15:27:07 <canadiancow|work> +v
Apr 11 15:27:16 <jasta> evancharlton: i mean really, fire is starting to come against HTTP that makes me think it could conceivably be replaced (maybe by HTTP 2, maybe not).  give it say 10 years...
Apr 11 15:27:25 <jasta> but in 10 years, do I think IRC will still be here just like it is now?  oh yeah.
Apr 11 15:27:37 <jcase> anyone remember taht visual IRC client
Apr 11 15:27:40 <jcase> from microsoft?
Apr 11 15:27:41 <`z> evancharlton, most popular ircds*
Apr 11 15:27:45 <`z> like unrealircd
Apr 11 15:27:48 <canadiancow|work> ...
Apr 11 15:27:50 <canadiancow|work> `z stfu
Apr 11 15:27:53 <`z> i haven't seen any ircds which come with services by default
Apr 11 15:27:54 <evancharlton> jasta: at this point, I'm scared of what changes they'd make to HTTP. It'd probably be like HDCP
Apr 11 15:27:56 <readme> no keep raging
Apr 11 15:28:00 <readme> i want more +b
Apr 11 15:28:04 <canadiancow|work> +v
Apr 11 15:28:20 <jasta> evancharlton: seriously?  Google's SPDY for example is hardly scary.
Apr 11 15:28:24 <jasta> it's an obvious idea that's a long time coming...
Apr 11 15:28:34 <evancharlton> jasta: yeah
Apr 11 15:28:48 <`z> well... apparently you don't want to listen, so i'll just stfu
Apr 11 15:28:49 <canadiancow|work> Microsoft S&M is kinda scary
Apr 11 15:28:58 <`z> MICROSOFT BOB AT YOUR SERVICE
Apr 11 15:29:07 <evancharlton> `z: no, you're just bitching about dumb shit that we already know.
Apr 11 15:29:11 <`z> mhm
Apr 11 15:29:17 <QubeZ> Microsoft <insert product/service here> is kinda scary
Apr 11 15:29:22 <jasta> `z: again, do you not know you were being messed with?
Apr 11 15:29:29 <`z> Microsoft is kinda scary
Apr 11 15:29:44 <p_l> jasta: and actually isn't new nor was started by Google (SPDY)
Apr 11 15:30:08 <QubeZ> no large companies start anything... they wait for small groups to build something nice then buy them
Apr 11 15:30:26 <evancharlton> now that's a hell of a blanket statement
Apr 11 15:30:31 <p_l> evancharlton: actually, HDCP-related bits were done in JS APIs, on influence from Netflix and similar
Apr 11 15:31:24 <jasta> QubeZ: well you know, even if that were generally true, a lot of times big companies are there to incubate fragile ideas and mature them.  a very important step in technology.
Apr 11 15:31:56 <QubeZ> jasta: *nod* I didn't mean to imply that big companies are useless... but they become "big" through acquisitions.
Apr 11 15:32:27 <lov> QubeZ: pretty sure that Amazon is doing some pretty awesome stuff and not just buying it off other people
Apr 11 15:33:13 <jasta> evancharlton: you still in the bay area?
Apr 11 15:33:18 <evancharlton> jasta: yep
Apr 11 15:33:26 <jasta> i'll be there in a couple weekends
Apr 11 15:33:37 <evancharlton> yeah? when?
Apr 11 15:33:42 <jasta> hang on ill priv you the details
Apr 11 15:33:45 <evancharlton> k
Apr 11 15:40:35 <Rockmaninoff> anyone using WebSockets in their apps? looking for a good/the best library
Apr 11 15:40:58 <dragorn> Rockmaninoff: no, but i'm interested in what you find; i've been considering it
Apr 11 15:41:21 <dragorn> Rockmaninoff: i may end up counting on firefox/chrome though since I'd really rather target a browser layer
Apr 11 15:41:33 <Rockmaninoff> yeah
Apr 11 15:41:48 <Rockmaninoff> Autobahn and UnittWebSocket look promising
Apr 11 15:41:59 <Rockmaninoff> UnittWebSocket even has maven compatibility
Apr 11 15:49:03 <jasta> interesting.  opening OI File Manager with emulator GPU acceleration enabled crashes the emulator reproducibly
Apr 11 15:49:20 <Gaz`> brains fried just done 20 hr coding sesh
Apr 11 15:49:32 <Gaz`> got quite a lot done, would have been way more if picasa didnt annoy me
Apr 11 15:53:29 <mitchellj> Wonder if anyone know where I can find a list of "styles" I can customise, for example android:windowBackground, is there a large list anywhere of what each one is and what it does?
Apr 11 15:53:44 <canadiancow|work> you know what's annoying with logcat?
Apr 11 15:53:50 <canadiancow|work> it "supports" regular expressions
Apr 11 15:53:55 <canadiancow|work> but it parses htem as you type
Apr 11 15:53:59 <canadiancow|work> so you type a [
Apr 11 15:54:02 <canadiancow|work> and it dies
Apr 11 15:54:33 <lov> gggggggg
Apr 11 15:54:43 <lov> wait
Apr 11 15:54:46 <SimonVT> mitchellj: Look up the docs for android.R.attr
Apr 11 15:54:52 <lov> what do you mean it parses them as you type
Apr 11 15:54:55 <lov> where are you typing
Apr 11 15:54:59 <canadiancow|work> the logcat filter
Apr 11 15:55:00 <lov> do you mean within eclipse?
Apr 11 15:55:01 <lov> oh ok
Apr 11 15:55:02 <canadiancow|work> yea
Apr 11 15:55:04 <mitchellj> ty SimonVT
Apr 11 15:55:07 <canadiancow|work> so if iwant text:[A-Z]{8,16}
Apr 11 15:55:10 <lov> yeah, that thing is just fucked up
Apr 11 15:55:16 <canadiancow|work> it crashes after every character between [ and Z
Apr 11 15:55:19 <lov> every time a fucking process emits a log, it IMMEDIATELY grabs focus
Apr 11 15:55:21 <canadiancow|work> and then again between { and 16
Apr 11 15:55:43 <lov> and if you have an actual filter on a process, it sets the filter to THAT PROCESS
Apr 11 15:55:49 <lov> meaning that it's infuriating trying to use it, and I just use the command line
Apr 11 15:59:47 <evancharlton> lov: ... you know you can turn off the focus-stealing, right?
Apr 11 16:01:35 <readme> when I read an article about android security, I get a bit mad, because it's usually alarmist FUD
Apr 11 16:01:47 <EvilPenguin> is there a spinner or something i can put inside a view?
Apr 11 16:01:55 <readme> in this case, his discovery that the browser can be used without INTERNET permission is about 2 years late, but whatever
Apr 11 16:01:59 <EvilPenguin> i dont want a dialog or anything. just something inside my view.
Apr 11 16:02:04 <EvilPenguin> something besides a gif.
Apr 11 16:02:06 <readme> http://leviathansecurity.com/blog/archives/17-Zero-Permission-Android-Applications.html
Apr 11 16:03:02 <lov> "Secondly, I can fetch the /data/system/packages.list file to determine what apps are currently installed on the device."
Apr 11 16:03:08 <lov> ..... or you could use PackageManager, you yutz.
Apr 11 16:03:14 <Getsic> test
Apr 11 16:03:30 <SimonVT> Gotta get those pageviews, readme
Apr 11 16:05:35 <joel135> Can someone explain to me what an AbsSeekBar is? compared to ProgressBar or SeekBar, which I do know
Apr 11 16:05:57 <readme> lov: "On linux, I can list /usr/bin!"
Apr 11 16:06:01 <readme> SECURITY HOLE!
Apr 11 16:06:10 <joel135> there was no explanation on the reference page
Apr 11 16:07:15 <hackkitten> okay, this is embarrassing.... Upon trying to run a handler to change scenes with an AndEngine app, it closes the app and returns to launcher
Apr 11 16:07:21 <hackkitten> no error message or any other output
Apr 11 16:07:23 <SimonVT> Just a class with common logic for SeekBar and RatingBar, judging from the documentation
Apr 11 16:07:29 <hackkitten> the app isn't running after this
Apr 11 16:07:31 <readme> any more jabs I can add here? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3828159
Apr 11 16:10:13 <Almindor> is it possible to send data to an application via usb (mobile in debug mode of course) from an external app? (using the SDK of course) The action should preferably start the target application as well if it's not running
Apr 11 16:10:20 <Almindor> I'm trying to implement a "try the level on your device" functionality to my level editor (standard java app)
Apr 11 16:16:44 <pfn> Almindor, kinda
Apr 11 16:16:53 <pfn> Almindor, you can adb push to send files to it
Apr 11 16:17:03 <pfn> Almindor, and you can use adb shell am start to launch an activity
Apr 11 16:17:17 <pfn> dunno how you'll get args using am start, though
Apr 11 16:17:23 <Napalm> hey pfn
Apr 11 16:17:54 <lov> pfn: you can pass arguments as extras for the intent :>
Apr 11 16:18:03 <aLeSD> in MCC design the View can't modify the data, isn't it ?
Apr 11 16:18:07 <pfn> lov, not with am start, though
Apr 11 16:18:16 <pfn> Napalm, morning
Apr 11 16:18:22 <aLeSD> s/MCC/MCV
Apr 11 16:18:38 <Almindor> hmm well I guess I could save the file and make the game delete it on use (so it's a one-time test trip)
Apr 11 16:18:43 <aLeSD> but I think it can filter the data
Apr 11 16:18:51 <Napalm> aLeSD: MVC
Apr 11 16:18:56 <aLeSD> :)
Apr 11 16:19:04 <aLeSD> rock !
Apr 11 16:24:54 <lov> pfn: orly? Because I've used am start to do just that.
Apr 11 16:25:07 <lov> start an Activity: am start [-D] [-W] <INTENT>
Apr 11 16:25:13 <lov> <INTENT> specifications include these flags:
Apr 11 16:25:21 <lov> [-e|--es <EXTRA_KEY> <EXTRA_STRING_VALUE> ...]
Apr 11 16:25:26 <lov> [--esn <EXTRA_KEY> ...]
Apr 11 16:25:27 <pfn> ah, didn't see that
Apr 11 16:25:31 <lov> [--ez <EXTRA_KEY> <EXTRA_BOOLEAN_VALUE> ...]
Apr 11 16:25:31 <lov> etc
Apr 11 16:25:44 <Almindor> I could potentially push the whole level (it's like 2kb max size JSON string)
Apr 11 16:25:48 <lov> yeah
Apr 11 16:25:56 <lov> use adb push to push the file onto the device somewhere
Apr 11 16:26:03 <lov> then adb shell am start, and give it the location of the file as an arg
Apr 11 16:26:06 <Almindor> and then --es with path
Apr 11 16:26:08 <Almindor> yeh
Apr 11 16:26:09 <Almindor> thanks
Apr 11 16:26:12 <lov> np
Apr 11 16:38:42 <joel135> Can someone explain to me what an AbsSeekBar is? compared to ProgressBar or SeekBar, which I do know
Apr 11 16:39:08 <pfn> joel135, the docs explain what absseekbar is
Apr 11 16:39:55 <everythingWorks> how can i make a notification "removable" (android 4+)
Apr 11 16:40:09 <pfn> same as in android 1.0+
Apr 11 16:41:16 <joel135> pfn: what docs? I've read http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AbsSeekBar.html, but still I don't get it.
Apr 11 16:42:23 <everythingWorks> pfn : this is?
Apr 11 16:42:58 <SimonVT> joel135: Known Direct Subclasses RatingBar, SeekBar
Apr 11 16:43:03 <pfn> everythingWorks, notifications are removable if they're not an ongoing task
Apr 11 16:43:10 <SimonVT> It's an abstract super class for those two
Apr 11 16:43:15 <SimonVT> Probably containing common logic
Apr 11 16:43:30 <SimonVT> And it IS a ProgressBar
Apr 11 16:43:37 <SimonVT> The docs also tells you that
Apr 11 16:44:18 <everythingWorks> kkk
Apr 11 16:44:39 <joel135> SimonVT: does abstract mean I can't use it like any other view, just writing <viewname/> in an xml?
Apr 11 16:45:06 <pfn> [url stringByAddingPercentEscapesUsingEncoding:NSUTF8StringEncoding]
Apr 11 16:45:07 <pfn> man
Apr 11 16:45:12 <pfn> and they say java is ugly...
Apr 11 16:45:15 <pfn> or verbose
Apr 11 16:45:18 <SimonVT> abstract means you gotta google how to java
Apr 11 16:46:45 <joel135> SimonVT: thanks for clarifying that
Apr 11 16:49:23 <readme> I need to expose the context just for use in a jUnit TestCase. Should I just extend Application put a static accessor for the context there?
Apr 11 16:49:51 <readme> I'm not using activities or services. This is a vanilla case but it uses composition at one point to read a file from res/raw which needs the context.
Apr 11 16:49:55 <wongk> i just have a static application instance
Apr 11 16:50:06 <JakeWharton> readme: Activity context = new Activity();
Apr 11 16:50:16 <pfn> there's a junit test runner on-device?
Apr 11 16:50:21 <readme> JakeWharton: for real =O just like that?
Apr 11 16:50:30 <readme> pfn: you can run plain tests, yeah. Just subclass TestCase
Apr 11 16:50:41 <pfn> so you're running on device?
Apr 11 16:50:48 <readme> Yes, it will run on the device.
Apr 11 16:51:07 <readme> do you use robolectric?
Apr 11 16:51:28 <pfn> I don't
Apr 11 16:51:37 <readme> lets you run em on your machine. i'm gonna try it soon
Apr 11 16:51:38 <everythingWorks> Im currently coding a settings screen which looks like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6559846/act.PNG
Apr 11 16:51:45 <mikedg> hey guys, what kickstarter shit have you funded?
Apr 11 16:51:46 <everythingWorks> but it should look more like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6559846/act2.PNG
Apr 11 16:51:57 <readme> mikedg: nothing, but that new watch looks sweet
Apr 11 16:52:14 <readme> the pebble
Apr 11 16:52:25 <JakeWharton> Robolectric is great until you run into something they glossed over
Apr 11 16:52:27 <JakeWharton> which is A LOT
Apr 11 16:52:32 <mikedg> yeah, i was thinking about funding the $250+ one
Apr 11 16:52:45 <mikedg> $235
Apr 11 16:53:00 <JakeWharton> in Robolectric the ShadowActivity maintains a view and so does the TestWindow, but not in the same way
Apr 11 16:53:14 <JakeWharton> so if you do any interaction with the Window in your code you'll get NPEs everywhere
Apr 11 16:53:16 <readme> mikedg: if I had extra money i'd definitely fund it.. especially since you're really just buying a watch :)
Apr 11 16:53:20 <readme> it looks solid
Apr 11 16:53:37 <mikedg> JakeWharton is too technical?
Apr 11 16:53:40 <readme> ah
Apr 11 16:53:52 <JakeWharton> :(
Apr 11 16:54:24 <everythingWorks> the whole thing looks a bit too "android 2.1" and not 4.0
Apr 11 16:54:56 <JakeWharton> are you running it on Android 4.0?
Apr 11 16:55:15 <everythingWorks> yes
Apr 11 16:55:19 <JakeWharton> are you using Holo?
Apr 11 16:55:26 <SimonVT> "no"
Apr 11 16:55:32 <SimonVT> ^_^
Apr 11 16:55:58 <SimonVT> Wtf, g+
Apr 11 16:55:58 <everythingWorks> well
Apr 11 16:56:08 <everythingWorks> I still want it to look good at 2.1 devices
Apr 11 16:56:12 <SimonVT> What's with the alignment
Apr 11 16:56:17 <everythingWorks> the theme definition is : <style name="xxx" parent="@android:style/Theme.NoTitleBar">
Apr 11 16:56:33 <JakeWharton> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/01/holo-everywhere.html
Apr 11 16:56:34 <JakeWharton> read that
Apr 11 16:56:46 <JakeWharton> http://simonvt.net/2012/02/07/what-api-level-should-i-target/
Apr 11 16:56:47 <JakeWharton> then that
Apr 11 16:57:02 <everythingWorks> thanks, i will :)
Apr 11 16:58:44 <oGMo> JakeWharton: i expected more wolf
Apr 11 17:05:14 <mikedg> how come you never link to my shit
Apr 11 17:05:21 <canadiancow|work> +1
Apr 11 17:05:43 <canadiancow|work> intranet.zynga.com/skennedy/awesome/articles.html
Apr 11 17:05:59 <canadiancow|work> roundark.com/mikedg
Apr 11 17:07:11 <mikedg> thanks for the link
Apr 11 17:07:19 <mikedg> we will set up a network of links to increase our klout
Apr 11 17:07:22 <mikedg> and flout
Apr 11 17:09:21 <SimonVT> Hey canadiancow, none of your links work!
Apr 11 17:09:43 <Crataegus> hi guys, does skia support reshaping of Arabic letters
Apr 11 17:09:48 <canadiancow|work> i could give you the real one, but it would still 404 for you
Apr 11 17:10:09 <SimonVT> So, just give me access to your intranet
Apr 11 17:11:26 <canadiancow|work> oh ok
Apr 11 17:12:09 <canadiancow|work> so best buy is going out of business
Apr 11 17:12:15 <canadiancow|work> they still havent charged me for my home theatre system
Apr 11 17:12:18 <canadiancow|work> which was delivered in january
Apr 11 17:12:30 <SimonVT> Free stuff <o/
Apr 11 17:12:32 <dantheman> someone will get around to charging you
Apr 11 17:12:38 <canadiancow|work> credit card is no longer valid
Apr 11 17:12:39 <canadiancow|work> and i've moved
Apr 11 17:12:40 <Amphoras> canadiancow|work: is that the one that was quite expensive as well?
Apr 11 17:12:46 <canadiancow|work> that one was like $900 or someting
Apr 11 17:13:11 <Amphoras> maybe that's why they are going out of business...
Apr 11 17:14:28 <oGMo> i thought BB was just closing some stores
Apr 11 17:15:23 <canadiancow|work> they had a two billion dollar loss
Apr 11 17:15:27 <canadiancow|work> they're not "going out of business"
Apr 11 17:15:30 <canadiancow|work> but they're bleeding
Apr 11 17:16:09 <lov> They've got an antiquated OS, they're losing market share like mad, and business are starting to go with a "Bring your own device" route.
Apr 11 17:16:16 <lov> I'm expecting BB to get bought out w/in 3 years
Apr 11 17:16:32 <lov> they've at least started to recognize this and work on turning it around but they're in a really, really bad spot.
Apr 11 17:16:45 <lov> oh, bestbuy, not blackberry :X
Apr 11 17:16:51 <canadiancow|work> lol
Apr 11 17:16:52 <everythingWorks> btw, it worked :)
Apr 11 17:17:11 <everythingWorks> just porting some apps to awzm 4.0 :DS
Apr 11 17:17:14 <lov> canadiancow|work: congrats on having committed credit card fraud :>
Apr 11 17:18:22 <johtso> I don't seem to be able to enable "show touches" and "pointer location" on my ICS phone, is there something special I need to do?
Apr 11 17:18:44 <johtso> When I enable the settings, they don't stick and are unchecked again when I return to the settings page.
Apr 11 17:18:55 <Rockmaninoff> is there any word on whether Google Play will have a developer API?
Apr 11 17:18:59 <Rockmaninoff> ever?
Apr 11 17:19:50 <canadiancow|work> lov, where's the fraud?
Apr 11 17:20:00 <canadiancow|work> they charged me for the two tvs
Apr 11 17:20:18 <canadiancow|work> i just havent called to correct it
Apr 11 17:20:23 <canadiancow|work> i'll do it when i get my next bonus
Apr 11 17:34:04 <elyezer> how can I run a release build from eclipse ADT? I'm looking for testing BuildConfig class in my code
Apr 11 17:34:05 <lov> canadiancow|work: well I guess everyone screwed up
Apr 11 17:34:17 <canadiancow|work> i didnt screw up
Apr 11 17:34:17 <lov> elyezer: right click on the project, android, export release build
Apr 11 17:34:22 <canadiancow|work> i called them and told them i received it
Apr 11 17:34:24 <lov> canadiancow|work: ROCKS FALL EVERYONE DIES.
Apr 11 17:34:25 <canadiancow|work> after i received it
Apr 11 17:34:28 <lov> ROCKS FALL
Apr 11 17:34:30 <lov> EVERYONE DIES
Apr 11 17:34:34 <canadiancow|work> PAPER
Apr 11 17:34:35 <canadiancow|work> COVERS
Apr 11 17:34:36 <canadiancow|work> ROCK
Apr 11 17:34:38 <lov> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Apr 11 17:34:53 * canadiancow|work wins
Apr 11 17:34:56 <lov> gg.
Apr 11 17:35:01 <SimonVT> LIZARD POISONS SPOCK
Apr 11 17:35:09 <canadiancow|work> good thing i wanst spock
Apr 11 17:35:21 <canadiancow|work> i cant remember all the rules for rock paper scissors lizard spock though
Apr 11 17:35:24 <SimonVT> :(
Apr 11 17:35:29 <elyezer> lov: there is not a way to run directly on the device? Or I need to send the APK to test the release?
Apr 11 17:36:18 <lov> elyezer: what do you consider "release" and what do you consider "debug"
Apr 11 17:38:39 <elyezer> lov: I don't know yet, I'd like to know how ADT knows to generate BuildConfig.DEBUG = true and when its equals false... I've used that class in my code to easily the clean of debug messages when I release my app
Apr 11 17:38:54 <lov> Where is this BuildConfig.DEBUG value
Apr 11 17:38:59 <joel135> can I mirror a SeekBar? like this: [MAX----------O=====MIN], if the default is [MIN=====O----------MAX]
Apr 11 17:39:13 <lov> joel135: probably, but you might need to implement it yourself.
Apr 11 17:39:21 <lov> no, I can't help you with that.
Apr 11 17:39:26 <elyezer> lov: in the gen folder, that class is created by ADT since version 17
Apr 11 17:39:29 <lov> source.android.com, get to digging through AbsSeekBar
Apr 11 17:39:51 * lov is still on ADT 16 for project config reasons ._.
Apr 11 17:40:07 <elyezer> lov: no problem thank you
Apr 11 17:40:11 <Napalm> joel135: couldnt you just invert the value when set and retrieved from the seekvar?
Apr 11 17:40:43 <elyezer> I've generated the APK, let me see if the DEBUG goes to false...
Apr 11 17:42:10 <harshpb> how much disk space is *really* reqd for current master branch of android ?
Apr 11 17:42:55 <evancharlton> to build or just to check out?
Apr 11 17:42:59 <harshpb> to build
Apr 11 17:43:29 <harshpb> repo sync took almost 10G
Apr 11 17:43:39 <harshpb> I had started the build and its taking too long, I had 26G free space when it started, am worried if it needs more.
Apr 11 17:43:49 <lov> harshpb: that sounds about right.
Apr 11 17:43:59 <lov> harshpb: git has the fun property that it will pull EVERY version of every file it ever knows about
Apr 11 17:44:09 <lov> this is how it keeps track of history, and changes branches/etc so quickly
Apr 11 17:44:29 <Napalm> harshpb: i have 11G of data in my latest checkout
Apr 11 17:44:31 <lov> you can ask git to compress its history, however, which will save you a good amount of space.
Apr 11 17:44:55 <harshpb> lov, yeh, but the android wiki says it needs approx 25G for build, is that true ?
Apr 11 17:45:19 <Napalm> dont forget you need like 16GB ram
Apr 11 17:45:20 <mikedg> yes
Apr 11 17:45:33 <harshpb> hmm, i just had 4G :(
Apr 11 17:45:37 <harshpb> have*
Apr 11 17:45:48 <joel135> Napalm: good idea! the backgrounds would be misplaced but i guess it's simple to switch their drawables
Apr 11 17:46:04 <Napalm> it might work, probably take 4 times as long to compile
Apr 11 17:46:11 <harshpb> hm yeh
Apr 11 17:49:25 <lov> harshpb: probably
Apr 11 17:49:40 <lov> harshpb: yeah, if you only have 4GB of memory you may not be able to compile, or it may take a while.
Apr 11 17:49:48 <lov> I don't know if you'll just run out of memory or it'll throttle or what
Apr 11 17:49:54 <lov> but you definitely can't do -j4 :(
Apr 11 17:52:01 <joel135> speaking of SeekBar, what does indeterminate mode mean?
Apr 11 17:53:14 <canadiancow|work> it means it is not determinate
Apr 11 17:53:14 <joel135> is it the mode of the background between $progress and $max?
Apr 11 17:53:31 <lov> you know the pinwheel when there's something that's going on
Apr 11 17:53:35 <lov> but you don't know how long it's going to take?
Apr 11 17:53:42 <lov> or when a progress bar just turns into a barber pole?
Apr 11 17:53:44 <lov> it's that
Apr 11 17:53:52 <canadiancow|work> barber pole?
Apr 11 17:53:53 <canadiancow|work> pinwheel?
Apr 11 17:53:55 <lov> it means "I'm working, but I have no idea how long I'll take"
Apr 11 17:53:55 <canadiancow|work> wtf are you taling about
Apr 11 17:53:57 <lov> ....
Apr 11 17:54:01 <lov> you've never heard of pinwheel?
Apr 11 17:54:08 <mikedg> 2 girls 1 pinwheel
Apr 11 17:54:12 <canadiancow|work> i know what it is, but not in this context
Apr 11 17:54:15 <canadiancow|work> oh mike
Apr 11 17:54:17 <mikedg> use your imagination
Apr 11 17:54:24 <lov> it's the little circle spinny thing that goes around and around
Apr 11 17:54:36 <mikedg> lov: nsfw
Apr 11 17:54:40 <canadiancow|work> lol
Apr 11 17:54:46 <lov> meatpin
Apr 11 18:00:09 <Amphoras> harshpb: you can compile with lower RAM and processor specs, it just takes a while
Apr 11 18:01:01 <harshpb> hm, I see its working though terribly slow .. however, I think I should cancel it now, as I may run out of disk space eventually
Apr 11 18:02:02 <aLeSD> is there a real problem if I store the views in a ListView ?
Apr 11 18:02:11 <aLeSD> I mean I am going to have at maximum 10 views
Apr 11 18:02:18 <harshpb> dint get why it needs so much space to build, seriously requires optimization.
Apr 11 18:02:45 <aLeSD> so I don't care about memory or those stuff ... I am telling about bad stuff
Apr 11 18:03:31 <harshpb> lov, Amphoras , any idea how much space does it really need to build like 20G / 25G  or more ?
Apr 11 18:04:01 <lov> no.
Apr 11 18:04:03 <lov> stop asking
Apr 11 18:04:19 <SimonVT> It takes over 9000
Apr 11 18:04:21 <Trenith> Question about making money from publishing: When you publish your app and mark ti for $5 where does the money go to? A bank account, paypal or a google account thats like paypal that you can dump every so often into your bank?
Apr 11 18:04:25 <lov> over 9000????
Apr 11 18:04:30 <lov> Trenith: huh?
Apr 11 18:04:44 <Amphoras> harshpb: my VM is taking up about 55GB but that's with the OS and CM7 as well, let me start it and I'll check
Apr 11 18:04:54 <lov> Trenith: when someone buys something from you, it goes to google wallet and you get a monthly payout as long as you have > $10 or something in your account
Apr 11 18:04:56 <Trenith> Lov: In short, where does the money go
Apr 11 18:05:03 <zambo> has anyone implemented amazon in app billing yet?
Apr 11 18:05:11 <lov> it goes on a magical ride
Apr 11 18:05:14 <harshpb> Amphoras, thanks
Apr 11 18:05:17 <lov> through the magic of technology
Apr 11 18:05:29 <Trenith> Lov: how much does google tax?
Apr 11 18:05:52 <lov> They take 30% of your revenue, though most of that goes to the carrier, etc.
Apr 11 18:05:53 <mikedg> Trenith: it goes to me
Apr 11 18:05:55 <mikedg> then i divy it out
Apr 11 18:06:01 <lov> Trenith: why don't you read the FAQs for google market?
Apr 11 18:06:04 <lov> they spell everything out.
Apr 11 18:06:04 <mikedg> i am Mike D. Google
Apr 11 18:06:31 <mikedg> I usually gives out 70% to you, but sometimes I'm a dick and give out 59%
Apr 11 18:06:38 <mikedg> depends on my mood
Apr 11 18:06:42 <lov> it's true
Apr 11 18:06:44 <lov> he's kind of a dick.
Apr 11 18:06:49 <SimonVT> +1 lov
Apr 11 18:07:00 <mikedg> today i'm being a huge dick, and im giving people 15%
Apr 11 18:07:09 <mikedg> enough people won't bitch that itll be extremely profitable
Apr 11 18:07:17 <mikedg> the ones who do bitch can go fuck themselves
Apr 11 18:07:26 <Trenith> Lov: tried finding it, dont have a dev account yet so havent been able to find this information
Apr 11 18:08:16 <lov> Trenith: it's $25 for a dev account, one time fee. You can publish unlimited apps and unlimited updates at no charge.
Apr 11 18:08:30 <lov> You need to set up a google wallet account to set up paid apps, and that pays out via check or direct deposit or something
Apr 11 18:08:42 <lov> Google takes 30% off the top, including in-app transactions.
Apr 11 18:08:46 <lov> the end.
Apr 11 18:09:07 <Trenith> And it costs $100 to list an app/
Apr 11 18:09:11 <lov> no
Apr 11 18:09:16 <lov> 14:08:24 < lov> Trenith: it's $25 for a dev account, one time fee. You can publish unlimited apps and unlimited updates at no  charge.
Apr 11 18:09:24 <Amphoras> Trenith: lov just said $25 one time fee
Apr 11 18:09:26 <lov> 14:08:24 < lov> Trenith: it's $25 for a dev account, one time fee. You can publish unlimited apps and unlimited updates at no  charge.
Apr 11 18:09:46 <lov> You're confusing android and iphone
Apr 11 18:09:51 <Trenith> Derp didnt read that as I was paying attention to other screen.
Apr 11 18:09:55 <lov> iphone is the one that has the rediculous structure
Apr 11 18:10:18 <Trenith> http://code.google.com/googleapps/marketplace/faq.html <- states something bout a $100 marketplace listing fee which is why I asked bout the $100
Apr 11 18:10:39 <canadiancow|work> do you know what the google apps marketplace is?
Apr 11 18:10:52 <lov> That's for the Google Apps apis
Apr 11 18:10:55 <lov> that's NOT google android
Apr 11 18:11:01 <canadiancow|work> android never had a marketplace
Apr 11 18:11:04 <canadiancow|work> it HAD (past tense) a market
Apr 11 18:11:08 <canadiancow|work> now it has the play store
Apr 11 18:11:23 <lov> Trenith: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/?hl=en
Apr 11 18:11:25 <mikedg> canadiancow|work: stop being a pedantic nazi
Apr 11 18:11:26 <Trenith> Gotcha, alright thanks for that info back to working on this now =)
Apr 11 18:11:28 <lov> Trenith: read that.
Apr 11 18:11:36 <Trenith> Thank you lov
Apr 11 18:11:40 <canadiancow|work> mikedg, gfy
Apr 11 18:11:50 <mikedg> what's good for me?
Apr 11 18:11:56 <canadiancow|work> you've been bitter ever since io tickets
Apr 11 18:11:59 <SimonVT> He's gay for you
Apr 11 18:12:03 <canadiancow|work> T_T
Apr 11 18:12:04 <mikedg> ohhhhh
Apr 11 18:12:11 <aLeSD> guys someone could answer me ?
Apr 11 18:12:12 <mikedg> ill let you hug me if you give me a ticket
Apr 11 18:12:44 <Amphoras> harshpb: sorry, its trying to tell me its 4.2GB but I know its not...
Apr 11 18:12:45 <aLeSD> question : is there a real problem if I store the views in a ListView ?
Apr 11 18:13:00 <canadiancow|work> i still dont have my ticket
Apr 11 18:13:16 <hrnt> aLeSD: store which views?
Apr 11 18:13:18 <harshpb> Amphoras, :)
Apr 11 18:13:29 <aLeSD> hrnt, the views in the ViewList
Apr 11 18:13:38 <t0mless> what do you mean by store?
Apr 11 18:13:43 <t0mless> by using a ViewHolder class?
Apr 11 18:13:58 <hrnt> aLeSD: viewlist?
Apr 11 18:13:59 <harshpb> Amphoras, how much space does the whole folder takes (which includes source) ?
Apr 11 18:14:08 <canadiancow|work> 25GB
Apr 11 18:14:10 <aLeSD> t0mless, have a reference to them ... do they are not garbaged when the goes out of visibility
Apr 11 18:14:29 <canadiancow|work> you... dont... thats not even...
Apr 11 18:14:32 <Amphoras> harshpb: that's teh problem, it claims the whole thing is 4.2GB
Apr 11 18:14:35 <pfn> t0mless, how is the snow now?
Apr 11 18:14:45 <canadiancow|work> aLeSD: go watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBM6wVEO70
Apr 11 18:14:47 <canadiancow|work> all of it
Apr 11 18:14:49 <canadiancow|work> come back in an hour
Apr 11 18:14:56 <aLeSD> I will
Apr 11 18:15:05 <harshpb> Amphoras, hmm :/
Apr 11 18:15:06 <aLeSD> 2 time I watch
Apr 11 18:15:12 <t0mless> pfn it's actually snowing right now
Apr 11 18:15:21 <t0mless> but a lot has melted in the past 2 weeks
Apr 11 18:16:25 <pfn> I blew up my ankle and knee on the mountain 2 weeks ago
Apr 11 18:16:28 <aLeSD> canadiancow, 3:20 it's not my case I have 10 items
Apr 11 18:16:52 <canadiancow|work> if youre not going to use view recycling, use a linearlayout in a scrollview
Apr 11 18:16:58 <aLeSD> + |work
Apr 11 18:16:58 <canadiancow|work> because listview recycles views
Apr 11 18:17:00 <canadiancow|work> period
Apr 11 18:17:09 <aLeSD> ah
Apr 11 18:17:12 <canadiancow|work> trying to get it to behave differently is more hassle than it's worth
Apr 11 18:17:18 <aLeSD> that's my answer ... thaks
Apr 11 18:17:25 <canadiancow|work> that being said, you should use its recycling capabilities
Apr 11 18:17:49 <aLeSD> as usual I was looking in the wrong direction
Apr 11 18:17:49 <JakeWharton> reduce, reuse, recycle
Apr 11 18:18:09 <t0mless> cue Jack Johnson
Apr 11 18:18:15 <aLeSD> JakeWharton, it's really a problem in my case : I have all different views created at runtime
Apr 11 18:18:51 <SimonVT> ListView adapter supports supplying different views based on data type
Apr 11 18:18:52 <PDawg> hi guys, im trying to create a logging mechanism in my app to see when the code is executing, im trying to write to the internal memory...here is the function that i have come up with so far: http://pastebin.com/hSrSBi53, this seems to work in emulator, im able to see the file in the DDMS view, but when i ran this on my phone, i dont see the same file being created under the same path as emulator...any suggestions?
Apr 11 18:19:40 <JakeWharton> unless you're rooted, you can't
Apr 11 18:19:44 <JakeWharton> write to SD card
Apr 11 18:19:51 <PDawg> i am rooted
Apr 11 18:20:04 <PDawg> when u say SD card, u mean the external_sd?
Apr 11 18:20:15 <JakeWharton> getExternalStorage()
Apr 11 18:20:16 <JakeWharton> is what i mean
Apr 11 18:21:39 <PDawg> problem is, a user may not have a external storage inserted into their phone, in which case it wont log at all
Apr 11 18:22:31 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/ContextWrapper.html#getFilesDir()
Apr 11 18:22:33 <lov> Use that.
Apr 11 18:22:44 <lov> You'll need to copy the file it creates to external storage or send it in an email or something but that's your problem
Apr 11 18:23:04 <lyakh>  sorry for cross-posting, no idea which channel is the right one: how do I add a new vendor / product under device/... to "repo?" so that it appears under .repo/projects/device/...?
Apr 11 18:25:17 <jay_p> any1 got some good ideas on how to change the selected item's textcolor in Gallery?
Apr 11 18:26:40 <Zooklubba> How many get weird classcastexception_
Apr 11 18:26:42 <Zooklubba> From old layout
Apr 11 18:27:26 <Zooklubba> Like now, I had an imageview earlier today to play around with. But now xml and code is ImageButton. But instead I get java.lang.ClassCastException: android.widget.ImageView cannot be cast to android.widget.ImageButton
Apr 11 18:27:34 <Zooklubba> Have cleaned, refreshed again and again
Apr 11 18:29:27 <Zooklubba> eclipse on osx btw
Apr 11 18:30:54 <Zooklubba> Happens once in a while :/
Apr 11 18:31:00 <Zooklubba> Copying it to a new project usually does the trick
Apr 11 18:31:12 <aLeSD> canadiancow|work, it works more or less
Apr 11 18:31:23 <canadiancow|work> well is it more, or less?
Apr 11 18:31:34 <aLeSD> I am doing all in the code
Apr 11 18:31:58 <aLeSD> I create a ScollView ... I addChild(new lLinearLayout());
Apr 11 18:32:06 <pragma-> I need an intern or volunteer to finish my app.
Apr 11 18:32:14 <pragma-> Any volunteers?
Apr 11 18:32:25 <aLeSD> that I lineraLaytout.add(View) ... only the first view I add is showed
Apr 11 18:32:29 <Zooklubba> pragma-, is it a free app?
Apr 11 18:32:34 <pragma-> Yes.
Apr 11 18:33:00 <Zooklubba> I dont think you will get any takers if you dont explain it, I might have missed an introduction to it tho
Apr 11 18:33:06 <pragma-> I have only 3 items left on the to-do list, but I can't find any motiviation to finish it.
Apr 11 18:33:26 <DarsVaeda> hi, I want to add a menuitem so I do in onCreateOptionsMenu: 'menu.add(0,0,0, R.string.foo + " bar")' but I do not get the menu-item "foo bar" but "1232134 bar". why is that?
Apr 11 18:33:38 <pragma-> Zooklubba: https://code.google.com/p/iptableslog/
Apr 11 18:33:55 <Zooklubba> Sorry, cant help out myself. Have a rather long list to go through myself, but might have a lookse
Apr 11 18:34:20 <t0mless> DarsVaeda because R.string.foo is an int, not a string
Apr 11 18:35:35 <aLeSD> canadiancow|work, it's my fault
Apr 11 18:35:56 <aLeSD> I am printing the number of childrens and they are added right
Apr 11 18:36:07 <aLeSD> I will try without ScroolView
Apr 11 18:36:21 <DarsVaeda> t0mless: because it is just the id of the actual string and I have to pull the actual text?
Apr 11 18:37:46 <jay_p> DarsVaeda: getResources().getString(r.string.foo)
Apr 11 18:38:12 <DarsVaeda> jay_p: thanks
Apr 11 18:38:18 <aLeSD> canadiancow|work, same behaviour .... I think they are inherit the fill_parent option
Apr 11 18:38:55 <Zooklubba> christ sake
Apr 11 18:39:12 <pragma-> I didn't know Christ was a drunk Japanese
Apr 11 18:39:17 <Zooklubba> There is NO ImageView
Apr 11 18:39:21 <Zooklubba> GET IT ECLIPSE
Apr 11 18:39:47 <pragma-> shrug, you use ide, you use automatic code generation, you suffer.
Apr 11 18:40:02 <pragma-> use bash/vim/ant for great win.
Apr 11 18:40:07 <Zooklubba> lol
Apr 11 18:40:45 <aLeSD> is there a way to set android:layout_width in the code ?
Apr 11 18:40:48 <DarsVaeda> pragma-: do you swim from continent to continent also? ^^
Apr 11 18:41:00 <pragma-> no, I piggy-back on dolphins
Apr 11 18:41:15 <Zooklubba> DarsVaeda, well. Compared to drowning then I guess swimming is a rather good idea.
Apr 11 18:41:38 <Younos> vim, thats a brand of toilet cleaner over here
Apr 11 18:41:40 <t0mless> aLeSD yes, use LayoutParams
Apr 11 18:42:36 <aLeSD> thanks
Apr 11 18:42:57 <Zooklubba> Younos, same here.
Apr 11 18:46:07 <Chronax> Hey guys, how can I fire off an intent and FORCE it to always open the subsequent activity? IE: IF the intent happens twice, it ignores the second startActivity() call, because the activity already has focus.
Apr 11 18:46:10 <Chronax> Any ideas?
Apr 11 18:47:10 <lov> o_O
Apr 11 18:47:11 <Chronax> I'm getting this in LogCat: Window already focused, ignoring focus gain of <blahActivity>
Apr 11 18:47:21 <lov> try using NEW_TASK or whatever the intent flag is
Apr 11 18:47:32 <Chronax> But I don't want it to ignore focus gain. I want it to really make it all happen again.
Apr 11 18:47:36 <Chronax> I'm using that one, no luck.
Apr 11 18:47:56 <Chronax> Tried these, with the same result: Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK and Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NO_HISTORY
Apr 11 18:48:18 <especially-corn> hello, can i make a clickable status bar icon?
Apr 11 18:48:58 <lov> especially-corn: You mean a Notification? Yes. Look up Notifications and NotificationManager
Apr 11 18:49:12 <especially-corn> i want like an icon
Apr 11 18:49:19 <especially-corn> you know how you get one in the bar when you missed a call?
Apr 11 18:49:24 <especially-corn> you don't really know from whom
Apr 11 18:49:28 <especially-corn> but you see the icon there
Apr 11 18:49:45 <especially-corn> and for instance if you would click the icon it would send you to let's say that contact
Apr 11 18:49:50 <especially-corn> it would initiate a call
Apr 11 18:49:53 <oGMo> yes like some sort of NOTIFICATION
Apr 11 18:50:00 <lov> 14:49:07 < lov> especially-corn: You mean a Notification? Yes. Look up Notifications and NotificationManager
Apr 11 18:50:10 <especially-corn> it's not really a notification since i don't want to expand the notification area
Apr 11 18:50:14 <lov> ...
Apr 11 18:50:15 <especially-corn> i don't want to drag it down to see
Apr 11 18:50:23 <lov> hey guess what guy.
Apr 11 18:50:28 <lov> notifications are what show those little icons up there
Apr 11 18:50:30 <lov> they're notifications.
Apr 11 18:50:33 <lov> there's no separate path.
Apr 11 18:50:35 <lov> it's all notifications.
Apr 11 18:50:46 <oGMo> notifications all the way down
Apr 11 18:50:46 <lov> read up about Notifications or gtfo plz
Apr 11 18:50:49 <especially-corn> I'm sorry.
Apr 11 18:51:27 <lov> You can't actually click on any of those mini icons; you can only pull down the status bar.
Apr 11 18:51:36 <lov> If you're asking how to make those mini-icons themselves clickable, you can't.
Apr 11 18:51:48 <lov> If you're asking about the ActionBar for some reason, that's something totally different.
Apr 11 18:52:05 <oGMo> they'd be really hard to click o.O
Apr 11 18:52:35 <especially-corn> lov, i have this cyanogenmod that has "tablet tweaks" which adds clickable navigation buttons there, so i was thinking of making an app so i'd have it on other roms as well
Apr 11 18:52:37 <wongk> oGMo: you can do anything you set your mind to! ;)
Apr 11 18:53:18 <wongk> CM modifies Android
Apr 11 18:53:20 <Amphoras> especially-corn: is that the soft buttons?
Apr 11 18:53:28 <especially-corn> Amphoras, absolutely
Apr 11 18:54:25 <Amphoras> especially-corn: you need to modify the framework to enable them, so you would have to manually decompile, enable it and recompile the framework for each rom you wanted to enable them on, an app couldn't do it
Apr 11 18:54:31 <especially-corn> so it's not possible to make an app to simulate that?
Apr 11 18:54:41 <lov> especially-corn: ask in #cyanogenmod, not here.
Apr 11 18:54:46 <Amphoras> you can make soft-buttons with an app, but not in the notification bar
Apr 11 18:54:54 <lov> we're not going to tell you how to do custom rom things
Apr 11 18:55:19 <especially-corn> well i didn't want to do custom rom things, i just asked if it is possible to do that
Apr 11 18:55:22 <especially-corn> standard behaviour
Apr 11 18:55:28 <especially-corn> <especially-corn> hello, can i make a clickable status bar icon?
Apr 11 18:55:35 <lov> no.
Apr 11 18:55:40 <lov> that's not standard behavior.
Apr 11 18:55:41 <lov> sorry.
Apr 11 18:55:56 <lov> If your rom lets you tap on icons up there, that's a rom customization.
Apr 11 18:56:21 <especially-corn> damn it, it was such a cool feature
Apr 11 18:56:26 <lov> I'm sure it is.
Apr 11 18:56:37 <lov> The rom probably just executes the intent that would be shown in the drop-down anyway
Apr 11 18:56:42 <lov> you can probably just send a regular notification
Apr 11 18:57:05 <especially-corn> i also heard that some vendors put icons there too
Apr 11 18:57:09 <especially-corn> for phones that don't have hardkeys
Apr 11 18:57:26 <lov> yeah, and you're not a vendor, so you can't control what goes there.
Apr 11 18:57:26 <especially-corn> do they also modify the rom?
Apr 11 18:57:29 <lov> ....
Apr 11 18:57:33 <lov> THEY'RE THE VENDOR.
Apr 11 18:57:35 <lov> THEY MAKE THE ROM.
Apr 11 18:57:46 <lov> jesus
Apr 11 18:57:48 <especially-corn> i thought they just add like a launcher and that's it
Apr 11 18:57:54 <lov> no.
Apr 11 18:58:02 <lov> a significant amount of work goes into making phones.
Apr 11 18:58:13 <lov> most manufacturers like to "tweak" parts of the UI, even things that they really ought to just leave alone.
Apr 11 18:58:14 <Amphoras> especially-corn: you need to modifiy the rom to enable it, no other way
Apr 11 18:58:16 <especially-corn> besides why are you getting so angry
Apr 11 18:58:38 <especially-corn> thanks for the answers guys
Apr 11 18:58:54 <lov> sorry.
Apr 11 19:03:10 <Zooklubba> pragma-, dont really want to learn something new at this stage
Apr 11 19:03:15 <Zooklubba> well, ofc I want to. Dont have the time.
Apr 11 19:03:27 <Zooklubba> But if eclipse still gives me this trouble I might not have a choice
Apr 11 19:07:35 <hampelpampel> hi. I've got a problem with my nexus s after an official upgrade to 4.0.4. 'android.process.acore' keeps crashing.
Apr 11 19:07:55 <dominicdinada> goto #android
Apr 11 19:08:00 <hampelpampel> k. thanks
Apr 11 19:08:03 <dominicdinada> hampelpampel:
Apr 11 19:08:51 <Almindor> hmm
Apr 11 19:09:44 <Almindor> when using adb shell to start an app, if I pass it extras but the app only gets put to the front, are the extras passed to the app or not?
Apr 11 19:19:47 <d4rklit3> hellooo
Apr 11 19:19:58 <d4rklit3> so i have one of these toshiba excite 10le
Apr 11 19:20:07 <d4rklit3> for this project we are working on here at work
Apr 11 19:20:27 <d4rklit3> i will preface by saying.. toshiba is a bunch of cock suckers cuz they didn't even send us a tablet w/ ICS ...
Apr 11 19:20:47 <d4rklit3> anyways im tryin to debug this thing so i can adb to it
Apr 11 19:21:08 <d4rklit3> i can get the tablet to recognize that its being debugged, but adb does lnot list any devices
Apr 11 19:25:14 <lov> d4rklit3: cool story bro.
Apr 11 19:25:33 <lov> d4rklit3: did you try setting adb_usb.ini values? If you're on windows, did you modify the device driver ini files to reference the hardware configus?
Apr 11 19:25:41 <lov> adb kill-server; sudo adb devices ?
Apr 11 19:25:55 <d4rklit3> restarting adb didn't wokr
Apr 11 19:26:30 <d4rklit3> where is this adb usb driver
Apr 11 19:26:31 <d4rklit3> err
Apr 11 19:26:33 <d4rklit3> .ini file
Apr 11 19:35:20 <joel135> how come the seekbars don't stretch across the whole screen horizontally? http://pastie.org/3770072
Apr 11 19:38:44 <evancharlton> joel135: first of all, get rid of that TableLayout
Apr 11 19:40:55 <joel135> evancharlton: I need it in the full code. This is just a piece of it. (the TableLayout is in a FrameLayout)
Apr 11 19:41:29 <nebkat> anyone know how to transfer a java byte[] array to a c++ unit8_t* through a string?
Apr 11 19:41:41 <nebkat> ctate: looks like I got the thing yesterday :)
Apr 11 19:42:08 <nebkat> just need to figure that out ^, how to transfer the marshalled data to c++ and then parcel.setData
Apr 11 19:44:39 <joel135> evancharlton: removing the TableRows did the trick
Apr 11 19:55:50 <Atarii> any tips on how to convert Java source code to smali?
Apr 11 19:57:06 <lov> ...
Apr 11 19:57:19 <lov> compile it, decompile it?
Apr 11 19:57:22 <lov> read the docs for smali?
Apr 11 19:57:29 <lov> idk, go to #baksmali or something
Apr 11 19:58:16 <canadiancow|work> Atarii what are you trying to do, high level
Apr 11 19:59:42 <Atarii> canadiancow|work implement a mod to SystemUI. I have a diff of the specific java file in SystemUI source, but I'm not compiling from source, i'm decompiling and working with the smali
Apr 11 20:01:46 <john_doe_jr> how would you draw a square in android?
Apr 11 20:01:48 <john_doe_jr> in xml?
Apr 11 20:02:17 <canadiancow|work> Atarii why not compile from source? probably much easier
Apr 11 20:02:28 <canadiancow|work> ive seen many threads on xda where people are trying to change cyanogemod, and going into smali and crap
Apr 11 20:02:33 <canadiancow|work> if it's open source...
Apr 11 20:02:35 <t0mless> john_doe_jr http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/drawable-resource.html#Shape
Apr 11 20:02:42 <Atarii> i'm not using cyanogenmod
Apr 11 20:03:31 <Atarii> i'm just trying to convert 1 line of code into smali code
Apr 11 20:04:23 <canadiancow|work> i know, im just saying...why are you hacking the smali of something you ahve the source for
Apr 11 20:05:01 <Atarii> ah sorry should have mentioned; I'm using a beta released by Sony, so don't have the exact source
Apr 11 20:05:22 <canadiancow|work> well i'd say go learn smali ;)
Apr 11 20:06:20 <mikedg> i'm trying to follow Google's latest design guidelines, is there a compatability package for whitespace?
Apr 11 20:06:45 <Atarii> heh true, just wondered if there was any tips to convert it, without compiling and then decompiling
Apr 11 20:06:49 <Atarii> i could just do that
Apr 11 20:07:23 <lov> Atarii: https://code.google.com/p/smali/
Apr 11 20:07:25 <canadiancow|work> mikedg, yea, it's in the support lib
Apr 11 20:07:26 <lov> smali is an assembler.
Apr 11 20:07:30 <lov> baksmali is a disassembler.
Apr 11 20:07:52 <lov> you can go from smali format to bytecode dalvik understands
Apr 11 20:07:58 <lov> and you can go from dalvik's bytecode to smali.
Apr 11 20:08:02 <lov> you can't go from java to smali.
Apr 11 20:08:12 <lov> not without going through at least the step of running javac
Apr 11 20:08:27 <lov> you have spent more time discussing this than if you had just compiled your change and run baksmali
Apr 11 20:08:32 <lov> do us all a favor, ask this question in #baksmali
Apr 11 20:08:32 <Atarii> ok thanks lov
Apr 11 20:08:36 <lov> the people who run baksmali idle there
Apr 11 20:08:40 <lov> they will give SIGNIFICANTLY better advice
Apr 11 20:08:48 <lov> please stop asking here.
Apr 11 20:08:53 <Atarii> got the link to the right channe;?
Apr 11 20:09:06 <lov> ... are you fucking seriously
Apr 11 20:09:12 <Atarii> yes, are you
Apr 11 20:09:12 <lov> type "/join #baksmali"
Apr 11 20:09:16 <Atarii> do it
Apr 11 20:09:20 <lov> learn 2 irc
Apr 11 20:09:24 <Atarii> then re-read my question
Apr 11 20:09:30 <Atarii> have you got the link to the real channel
Apr 11 20:09:34 <lov> ...
Apr 11 20:09:37 <lov> it is #baksmali
Apr 11 20:09:39 <lov> on freenode
Apr 11 20:09:41 <lov> the network you are on
Apr 11 20:09:46 <Atarii> sure isn't
Apr 11 20:09:53 <Atarii> join it
Apr 11 20:09:57 <Atarii> and you#'ll see
Apr 11 20:10:06 <lov> my mistake
Apr 11 20:10:08 <lov> #smali
Apr 11 20:10:10 <Atarii> instead of typing
Apr 11 20:10:11 <Atarii> :)
Apr 11 20:10:17 <Atarii> congrats
Apr 11 20:10:19 <Atarii> you win
Apr 11 20:10:56 <Atarii> maybe next time chill a bit before trying to be clever ;)
Apr 11 20:12:37 <john_doe_jr> t0mless: whenever I try to use the example of using the <shape> tag at the bottom of the page found @ http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/drawable-resource.html#Shape I get the message, "com.android.layoutlib.bridge.MockView cannot be cast to android.view.ViewGroup
Apr 11 20:12:38 <john_doe_jr> Exception details are logged in Window > Show View > Error Log
Apr 11 20:12:38 <john_doe_jr> The following classes could not be found:
Apr 11 20:12:38 <john_doe_jr> - gradient (Fix Build Path, Edit XML)
Apr 11 20:12:38 <john_doe_jr> - shape (Fix Build Path, Edit XML)"....any ideas why?
Apr 11 20:12:38 <mikedg> maybe next time you wont cause the fucking videogame collapse of the 80s
Apr 11 20:14:37 <Chronax> Hey guys, how can I fire off an intent and FORCE it to always open the subsequent activity? IE: IF the intent happens twice, it ignores the second startActivity() call, because the activity already has focus. I'd like it to always open instead of being polite to me.
Apr 11 20:14:51 <Chronax> I'm sure there's an Intent flag I'm not using, but Google isn't helping me find it.
Apr 11 20:19:56 <Chronax> Frown town, USA.
Apr 11 20:20:10 <Chronax> Anybody have any ideas? Willing to pay for an intelligent response in hookers and prayer.
Apr 11 20:20:51 <mikedg> iPad space, lolololtrollolo https://plus.google.com/116031914637788986927/posts/KSe6mNCT71Q
Apr 11 20:23:03 <storkme> If set, the activity will not be launched if it is already running at the top of the history stack.
Apr 11 20:23:11 <storkme> Chronax: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html
Apr 11 20:24:07 <Chronax> Thanks, storkme. You're referring to this one, right? FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP
Apr 11 20:24:11 <Chronax> I tried it. :(
Apr 11 20:24:29 <storkme> did you try that | single_top?
Apr 11 20:24:32 <Chronax> Can I do .setFlags() for multiple flags, or do I need to use .addFlags()? Tried both, seems to be same terrible result.
Apr 11 20:24:51 <storkme> setflags(flag | flag2) ?
Apr 11 20:25:41 <Chronax> Huh.
Apr 11 20:25:43 <Chronax> Yeah...
Apr 11 20:25:46 <Chronax> (Removes sunglasses.)
Apr 11 20:25:59 <storkme> ?
Apr 11 20:26:34 <dominicdinada> ever since the r18 update eclipse is working shitty as hell
Apr 11 20:27:11 <Chronax> storkme: Jeez. I thought I tried that, but it's working now!
Apr 11 20:27:15 <Chronax> Thanks for the push in the right direction!
Apr 11 20:28:52 <storkme> i want to rage at you for asking a question that you could find the answer to fairly easily in the documentation but that would bbe gay and lame
Apr 11 20:29:43 <readme> father of computer science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing -- also gay.
Apr 11 20:30:12 <storkme> dick move, bbro
Apr 11 20:30:46 <lov> Alan Turing also enjoyed dick moves
Apr 11 20:30:53 <lov> IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ;D
Apr 11 20:30:57 <storkme> ;D
Apr 11 20:31:10 <SimonVT> So does your mom
Apr 11 20:35:13 <Chronax> storkme: I could swear I tried that exact combination of Intent flags...
Apr 11 20:35:24 <Chronax> Either way, thanks. (No gay stuff.)
Apr 11 20:35:35 <Chronax> http://i.imgur.com/C1jf4.jpg
Apr 11 20:37:13 <lov> I'm not sure why there's a picture of a puppy but I appreciate it
Apr 11 20:37:18 <storkme> me too
Apr 11 20:37:22 <storkme> everything feels better
Apr 11 20:37:40 <Chronax> You're welcome.
Apr 11 20:40:21 <DarsVaeda> is there no more web frontend for android source git?
Apr 11 20:41:07 <readme> storkme: yes, it was a dick move of you to use the word gay to describe something negatively.
Apr 11 20:41:14 <readme> please don't do it.
Apr 11 20:41:14 <Chronax> DarsVaeda: GrepCode has it.
Apr 11 20:41:41 <Chronax> DarsVaeda: http://grepcode.com/project/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/
Apr 11 20:41:52 <DarsVaeda> ahh thanks alredy found it :)
Apr 11 20:42:57 <storkme> readme: alright gaybo chill out.
Apr 11 20:43:10 <evancharlton> ahem
Apr 11 20:43:50 <storkme> forgive me and my atrocious sense of humour
Apr 11 20:48:02 <gnychis> how can I get a list of branches from "repo" ? Every time I try "repo branches" I get "(no branches)"
Apr 11 20:48:48 <canadiancow|work> storkme stfu
Apr 11 20:48:56 * canadiancow|work thinks he's a little late
Apr 11 20:49:01 <ctate> gnychis: that tells you *local* branches, things started with 'repo start blahblah"
Apr 11 20:49:11 <ctate> you want to know about upstream branches like "master" ?
Apr 11 20:49:16 <storkme> well then.
Apr 11 20:49:46 <gnychis> ctate: right, I want to find the proper name for the current ice cream sandwich release (4.0.4)
Apr 11 20:50:05 <ctate> i think you want to look at the tags
Apr 11 20:50:29 <gnychis> okay
Apr 11 20:50:48 <gnychis> so should I use git directly for this?
Apr 11 20:51:05 <ctate> ... i htink so?  i'm in no way a git expert though
Apr 11 20:51:12 <ctate> nor do i use the AOSP source base much
Apr 11 20:51:25 <gnychis> gotcha, thanks for the direction
Apr 11 20:51:53 <gnychis> got it using git directly: android-4.0.4_r1.1
Apr 11 20:52:25 <ctate> that sounds right
Apr 11 20:53:28 <evancharlton> PSA: hierarchyviewer is the best thing ever
Apr 11 20:53:36 <SimonVT> Indeed
Apr 11 20:54:28 <lov> The More You Know! :D
Apr 11 20:55:38 <readme> so I made a keystore for a specific SSL cert
Apr 11 20:55:47 <readme> because the emulator did not recognize it
Apr 11 20:56:37 <readme> followed the instructions in: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2642777/trusting-all-certificates-using-httpclient-over-https/6378872#6378872
Apr 11 20:57:07 <readme> but, I get: http://pastie.org/3770542
Apr 11 20:57:13 <readme> Wrong version of keystore
Apr 11 20:58:07 <readme> here's the script I adapted from the above to generate the keystore http://pastie.org/3770548
Apr 11 20:58:17 <readme> I'm thinking something is wrong with the parameters to keytool, but I have no idea currently
Apr 11 20:58:38 <KungPhoo> hm. After I resume my app, the OpenGL drawing is all black
Apr 11 20:59:13 <fsniper> Hello, has anybody experience on low level c programming for android devices?
Apr 11 20:59:45 <fsniper> I'm having problems with epoll and /dev/input/event[0-9]
Apr 11 20:59:58 <fsniper> events are missing with 2.6.24
Apr 11 21:15:39 <canadiancow|work> today is slow
Apr 11 21:15:42 <canadiancow|work> in the office, on irc
Apr 11 21:15:44 <canadiancow|work> liek fuck
Apr 11 21:16:10 <ctate> shhhhh
Apr 11 21:16:12 <ctate> you're ruining it
Apr 11 21:19:09 <As4xk> can i store a unixtimestamp in an int?
Apr 11 21:19:18 <As4xk> or is that bigget than maxint?
Apr 11 21:19:58 <KungPhoo> no. even if I make egl.eglMakeCurrent before every swapbuffers, I still get an black screen once the app went into pause
Apr 11 21:20:26 <p_l> As4xk: currently uint64
Apr 11 21:20:26 <KungPhoo> As4xk depends on the platform. Some have 64 bits
Apr 11 21:21:07 <ctate> a Java-language 'int' is 32 bits, and Java's 'long' is 64.
Apr 11 21:21:25 <ctate> from native code, please use the C89 sized integral types to be sure
Apr 11 21:22:02 <ctate> sorry, C99
Apr 11 21:22:29 <p_l> and timestamp is time_t
Apr 11 21:22:33 <p_l> iirc
Apr 11 21:22:48 <As4xk> Thanks :)
Apr 11 21:22:49 <KungPhoo> which is 32 bits, but 64 on mac
Apr 11 21:23:23 <canadiancow|work> 64 > 32
Apr 11 21:23:44 <p_l> KungPhoo: what, time_t?
Apr 11 21:23:51 <As4xk> does any android devices have 64bits int?
Apr 11 21:23:55 <ctate> No
Apr 11 21:24:00 <As4xk> k
Apr 11 21:24:00 <canadiancow|work> isnt that a java thing?
Apr 11 21:24:03 <ctate> ARM has not yet shipped 64-bit cpus :)
Apr 11 21:24:17 <canadiancow|work> what about x86 devices...
Apr 11 21:24:19 <ctate> i suppose there might be some x86 devices
Apr 11 21:24:22 <p_l> ctate: technically they did, just no one used them
Apr 11 21:25:13 <p_l> getting complete SoC out takes more time than just fabbing/FPGA of a cpu
Apr 11 21:25:20 <canadiancow|work> but is a java "int" not always 32 bits?
Apr 11 21:25:25 <p_l> (there were A15 samples already)
Apr 11 21:25:28 <canadiancow|work> does the jvm not wrap the native implementation?
Apr 11 21:25:28 <p_l> canadiancow|work: yes
Apr 11 21:25:39 <p_l> canadiancow|work: Java "int" is 32bit signed
Apr 11 21:25:43 <canadiancow|work> yea
Apr 11 21:25:44 <canadiancow|work> ok
Apr 11 21:25:49 <p_l> long is 64bit signed int
Apr 11 21:25:51 <canadiancow|work> so its not like a 64 bit cpu would change anything
Apr 11 21:26:28 <ctate> p_l: samples != shipping :)
Apr 11 21:26:49 <canadiancow|work> i got a sample of some diet lime coke once
Apr 11 21:27:09 <ctate> canadiancow: i'm sorry.
Apr 11 21:27:36 <canadiancow|work> iknorite
Apr 11 21:28:25 <p_l> ctate: ARM has been fabless for a decade now, IIRC
Apr 11 21:28:55 <p_l> ctate: they no longer ship, they just give you a bunch source code and docs to integrate into your project
Apr 11 21:29:25 <Chronax> Hey guys, is there a way to store key-value pairs in an XML file in Android, and pull them into like... a Map<String, String>? I'd like to use something like ArrayAdapter.createFromResource, but for key-value pairs. Any ideas?
Apr 11 21:31:03 <freecandy> I'd use an ArrayAdapterFactory and remotely web-deploy it with a RESTful JSON interface.
Apr 11 21:31:03 <Chronax> Obviously I could roll my own thing to parse the XML, but it seems like there must be an existing utility for this.
Apr 11 21:31:16 <ctate> p_l: not just source; they also provide SoC layouts and so on
Apr 11 21:31:51 <ctate> Chronax: why xml?
Apr 11 21:32:12 <ctate> i mean, if you feel a real *need* for xml you can easily define your own key/value schema
Apr 11 21:32:41 <ctate> for when you really do want your data to be human-readable or whatever....
Apr 11 21:32:54 <p_l> ctate: well, yeah, laid out designs etc. However, last time I checked, it didn't stop anyone from using the Verilog or VHDL models to use in their own SoC, which can be pretty different
Apr 11 21:33:06 <ctate> oh sure, p_l
Apr 11 21:33:12 <g00s> Chronax: see jdbm2
Apr 11 21:33:32 <Chronax> ctate: Because that's how our iOS people are doing it, and I'm trying to recycle the XML lookup.
Apr 11 21:33:45 <g00s> as long as you don't have huge concurrency demands
Apr 11 21:33:53 <p_l> ctate: anyway, recently, I was tempted by the idea of prototyping an ICS device... with SPARC
Apr 11 21:34:03 <g00s> oh, fuck, so you want to depend on their xml schema ? uhh
Apr 11 21:34:19 <Chronax> g00s: No.
Apr 11 21:34:26 <Chronax> I don't _want_ to. I'm being _asked_ to.
Apr 11 21:34:41 <ctate> Chronax: yeah i think you are going to have to do the xml parsing yourself
Apr 11 21:34:46 <Chronax> It's just a little XML lookup of countries and their ISO country codes.
Apr 11 21:34:48 <ctate> there's nothing in the platform for doing that kidn of thing
Apr 11 21:34:51 <Chronax> ctate: That's what I thought.
Apr 11 21:34:54 <Chronax> Thanks.
Apr 11 21:34:58 <ctate> shouldn't be that hard with the xml parsers in the framework though
Apr 11 21:35:04 <Chronax> Yeah.
Apr 11 21:37:15 <freedomcaller> anyone else find com.android.vending.billing.IN_APP_NOTIFY to be really sketchy?
Apr 11 21:38:32 <ctate> sketchy how?
Apr 11 21:39:10 <lov> freedomcaller doesn't want to be notified about his in-app billing
Apr 11 21:40:01 <hackkitten> what could be the reason behind an app crashing to launcher without any error messages?
Apr 11 21:40:13 <freedomcaller> oh i want to be notified, the problem is that its not happening
Apr 11 21:40:21 <TachyonDevWork> hackkitten: a spurious close or finish?
Apr 11 21:40:31 <hackkitten> finish, it seems
Apr 11 21:40:42 <TachyonDevWork> hackkitten: try commenting out all your finishes?
Apr 11 21:40:43 <hackkitten> no error in logcat, no running process afterwards
Apr 11 21:40:48 <hackkitten> there are no finishes
Apr 11 21:40:51 <TachyonDevWork> hmm
Apr 11 21:40:55 <hackkitten> it's an AndEngine project
Apr 11 21:40:57 <TachyonDevWork> ugh
Apr 11 21:40:59 <hackkitten> single activity
Apr 11 21:41:00 <lov> hackkitten: there's your problem :>
Apr 11 21:41:03 <TachyonDevWork> yeah
Apr 11 21:41:04 <hackkitten> just switching between scenes
Apr 11 21:41:05 <lov> hackkitten: activity finishes?
Apr 11 21:41:18 <hackkitten> I'm never calling finish
Apr 11 21:41:18 <ctate> hackkitten: *crashing*?
Apr 11 21:41:28 <ctate> is AndEngine calling finish()?
Apr 11 21:41:32 <TachyonDevWork> yeah
Apr 11 21:41:34 <TachyonDevWork> was about to say
Apr 11 21:41:40 <lov> hackkitten: when you say there's no running process, you mean adb shell ps doesn't show the process at all?
Apr 11 21:41:41 <TachyonDevWork> who knows what andengine is doing
Apr 11 21:41:49 <lov> look in the logcat output for ActivityManager or dalvikvm
Apr 11 21:41:51 <ctate> what lov just asked, too
Apr 11 21:41:54 <lov> it should tell you when the process terminates
Apr 11 21:41:56 <hackkitten> there's no process, the Android task manager doesn't show anything either
Apr 11 21:42:03 <lov> screw the android task manager
Apr 11 21:42:05 <hackkitten> doesn't say it's running
Apr 11 21:42:30 <hackkitten> adb shell ps shows it's not running either
Apr 11 21:42:39 <ctate> okay, that's the real info
Apr 11 21:42:43 <ctate> that means the process went away
Apr 11 21:42:51 <lov> now we need to find out WHY.
Apr 11 21:43:01 <lov> again, there should be SOMETHING in logcat when a process ends
Apr 11 21:43:02 <ctate> there are circumstances in which an app can crash in such a way that nothing appears in the log.
Apr 11 21:43:06 <lov> orly?
Apr 11 21:43:13 <ctate> specifically, certain native crashes (notably, stack overflow)
Apr 11 21:43:18 <lov> !
Apr 11 21:43:23 <lov> without pooping out a fat native stacktrace?
Apr 11 21:43:40 <ctate> stack overflows; then there's no stack left for the signal handler / debuggerd to run
Apr 11 21:43:41 <hackkitten> no stack trace in logcat
Apr 11 21:43:42 <ctate> so it just dies
Apr 11 21:43:58 <lov> blagh
Apr 11 21:43:59 <hackkitten> it seems to happen after the game scene runs once
Apr 11 21:44:06 <hackkitten> maybe it's indeed a resource issue
Apr 11 21:44:14 <hackkitten> need to explicitly free up resources
Apr 11 21:44:22 <Jouva> I'm using an AdWhirl object on a screen that has the DashboardLayout from the Google I/O app which is in a LinearLayout. Originally I put the AdWhirl object IN the DashboardLayout, but that counted as a 7th object so everything was misaligned. But I KNOW the AdWhirl object can show up. However, now with AdWhirl in the LinearLayout, it seems the DashboardLayout wants to take up the entire
Apr 11 21:44:22 <Jouva> LinearLayout and leave no room for the AdWhirl widget. What should I do to avoid this?
Apr 11 21:44:24 * hackkitten wishes AndEngine had documentation
Apr 11 21:44:26 <ctate> is this a partly-native-code game engine or something?
Apr 11 21:44:33 <hackkitten> kinda, yes
Apr 11 21:44:34 <ctate> because this totally sounds like a bug in the engine
Apr 11 21:44:37 <hackkitten> mostly Java
Apr 11 21:44:40 <lov> hackkitten: is the app in the foreground when this happens? If so, lack of system resources isn't something that would do this.
Apr 11 21:44:46 <hackkitten> foreground, yes
Apr 11 21:45:08 <ctate> your app won't get killed for system resources while it's in the foreground[*]
Apr 11 21:45:08 <Amorgos> Hey. I'd like to build the android contacts app under eclipse. Has anyone had any experience of building this?
Apr 11 21:45:09 <Jouva> Also, should I put the AdWhirl widget in via XML or should I insert it via code?
Apr 11 21:45:21 <ctate> [*] except in exceedingly rare pathological cases that you'd notice anyway
Apr 11 21:46:03 <canadiancow|work> ctate, if theres no native code, can it happen?
Apr 11 21:46:32 <canadiancow|work> or could it die in android's native code
Apr 11 21:46:43 <zambo> call System.exit()?
Apr 11 21:46:54 <canadiancow|work> AndEngine does not call System.exit()
Apr 11 21:47:22 <evancharlton> throw new RuntimeException("lolded")
Apr 11 21:47:28 <evancharlton> bam!
Apr 11 21:47:37 <zambo> how is AndEngine compared to libgdx?
Apr 11 21:47:48 <canadiancow|work> it's a great engine
Apr 11 21:47:50 <canadiancow|work> <3 it
Apr 11 21:47:51 <readme> hackkitten: look more closely at logcat, maybe there is a trace in /data/anr/traces.txt or /data/tombstone
Apr 11 21:48:02 <canadiancow|work> never used libgdx
Apr 11 21:48:05 <canadiancow|work> but AndEngine works on google tv
Apr 11 21:48:14 <canadiancow|work> which may become more important in the near future
Apr 11 21:48:32 <Chronax> Where do y'all propose putting custom XML files in an Android project? Not <resources>. Need a good place to stash my <countries>. kthxbai
Apr 11 21:48:35 <hackkitten> at any rate it doesn't crash when I disable the update handler
Apr 11 21:48:44 <lov> s/may/will never/
Apr 11 21:48:45 <evancharlton> System.out.println("AndEngine".compareTo("libgdx"));  --> -43
Apr 11 21:48:52 <evancharlton> that's how AndEngine compares to libgdx
Apr 11 21:48:56 <canadiancow|work> evancharlton: lol
Apr 11 21:48:57 <lov> thanks evancharlton
Apr 11 21:49:00 <zambo> hahaha
Apr 11 21:49:01 <evancharlton> HTH!
Apr 11 21:49:01 <canadiancow|work> +1
Apr 11 21:49:11 <lov> libgdx is pretty neat
Apr 11 21:49:24 <zambo> when I was last checking out engines, libgdx was the most frequently updated and had active community
Apr 11 21:49:38 <lov> it's also maintained by a crazy russian dude
Apr 11 21:49:45 <hackkitten> libgdx is a library, not an engine, though
Apr 11 21:49:47 <freedomcaller> crazzy russian dudes ftw
Apr 11 21:49:49 <lov> it also lets you build your app on the desktop so that you don't have to push to android to test everything
Apr 11 21:49:55 <lov> which is SUPER awesome
Apr 11 21:52:03 <RobinB> anyone using app annie here?
Apr 11 21:52:16 <Chronax> Anybody? This is strange, but I've never had to store a totally custom XML file in an Android project before. Not sure where it should hang out.
Apr 11 21:52:24 <freedomcaller> so im using in app billing and im NOT responding to the in_app_notify and its supposed to be sent repeatedly, but thats not happening?
Apr 11 21:52:48 <freedomcaller> maybe in the /raw?
Apr 11 21:53:03 <RobinB> i've got it in res/xml
Apr 11 21:53:20 <hackkitten> 04-12 11:53:37.114: V/AndEngine(11983): org.andengine.extension.physics.box2d.util.Vector2Pool$1<Vector2> was exhausted, with 101 item not yet recycled. Allocated 1 more.
Apr 11 21:53:30 <hackkitten> I think it's indeed a resource exhaustion issue
Apr 11 21:53:42 <hackkitten> VectorPool not doing what it's supposed to do
Apr 11 21:54:50 <canadiancow|work> zambo, the AndEngine community isn't bad, and it's update regularly :)
Apr 11 21:54:53 <anjoyed> Chronax: res/xml
Apr 11 21:55:01 <canadiancow|work> it's rare that i see a large software project that is well written
Apr 11 21:55:05 <canadiancow|work> AndEngine is well written
Apr 11 21:55:11 <Chronax> anjoyed: Thanks, but then the compiler complains about my custom root element, etc.
Apr 11 21:55:14 <Chronax> WTFBBQ, Android.
Apr 11 21:55:26 <Chronax> nm
Apr 11 21:55:28 <canadiancow|work> res/raw?
Apr 11 21:55:29 <Chronax> Thanks. :)
Apr 11 21:57:42 * hackkitten was trashing the stack, apparently
Apr 11 21:57:44 <hackkitten> yay~
Apr 11 21:57:57 <Gumboot> p_l: I may not be an expert, but I'm pretty sure A15 isn't 64-bit.
Apr 11 21:57:58 <hackkitten> strange that it'd leave no entry in the log
Apr 11 21:58:15 <DarsVaeda> I have this extendableListActivity with my own ListAdapter, there is two things wrong with it: 1) the list background turns black when scrolling 2) in the child list I do not want the field "name" again, but how do I filter it out?
Apr 11 21:58:19 <DarsVaeda> http://pastebin.com/7PBxyQtZ
Apr 11 21:58:58 <DarsVaeda> for 1) could it be that the gradient I use as background is not supported while scrolling?
Apr 11 21:59:16 <p_l> Gumboot: A15 was the one to have the 64bit extension, wasn't it?
Apr 11 21:59:33 <p_l> unless you're mixing Cortex-A15 with that chinese A15 (two different cpus)
Apr 11 21:59:35 <veeti> i'm trying to extend a linearlayout and make it checkable for multi choice in lists. when i set a background color depending on the check state for the linearlayout, the layout gets recycled in the other list items or something and the same background applies to random items when i scroll around. how do i avoid this?
Apr 11 22:00:00 <Jouva> Is it normal for something such as AdWhirl's widget to have a measuredwidth/height to be 0 before an ad loads?
Apr 11 22:00:10 <Gumboot> p_l: It has some address space extensions, as I recall.
Apr 11 22:00:45 <Gumboot> What's a Chinese A15?  Is that in the Allwinner family?
Apr 11 22:01:57 <TachyonDevWork> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109124286422639953134/posts/duxrZs4qY92
Apr 11 22:06:00 <Gumboot> p_l: But in any case, Cortex A15 is plain-old ARMv7.  Proper 64-bit ARM is ARMv8.
Apr 11 22:06:34 * Gumboot is slow because he has to find references for everything he says.
Apr 11 22:11:27 <p_l> Gumboot: hmm... is it possible that the bits required for ARMv8 operation are optional components? Cause I seem to recall a lot of press squeeing how ARM will get into server market regarding A15
Apr 11 22:12:31 <p_l> and while 32bit pointers might have been okay tradeoff for smaller data structures...
Apr 11 22:13:02 <Jouva> http://pastebin.com/1me6mAWQ   Why can't I get this to show up my AdWhirl ads? If I put it inside of the DashboardLayout it DOES show up but immediately throws off the number of objects inside of it and thus causes my buttons to realign like a totem pole which I don't want
Apr 11 22:13:06 <p_l> I had ordered a database recently. The only reason we even talked about 32bit was a possibility that someone in the team didn't have a 64bit cpu
Apr 11 22:14:07 <SimonVT> Jouva: Your DashboardLayout fills the parent..
Apr 11 22:14:31 <SimonVT> aka match parent
Apr 11 22:14:39 <SimonVT> == it's the same size as the parent
Apr 11 22:14:45 <SimonVT> == there's no space left for your ads
Apr 11 22:15:08 <Jouva> wrap_content then for height?
Apr 11 22:15:17 <SimonVT> You probably want weight
Apr 11 22:15:43 <Jouva> What should I set for weight?
Apr 11 22:16:37 <SimonVT> You should google it, understand how it works, then select appropriate values for your layout_ attributes
Apr 11 22:16:42 <Jouva> ok
Apr 11 22:16:50 <SimonVT> The attribute is called layout_weight in xml
Apr 11 22:17:51 <Gumboot> p_l: It wouldn't be my place to comment on the utility of A15 in the server space.
Apr 11 22:17:53 <Jouva> Right. And from what I'm reading now it can be somewhat treated like a multiplier type percentage of the space it's going to take up?
Apr 11 22:18:16 <Jouva> Or am I looking at it very wrong
Apr 11 22:18:25 <ctate> it's a sum-of-weights fractino
Apr 11 22:18:29 <Gumboot> But I'd guess that that talk would be focusing on the terabyte physical address space.
Apr 11 22:18:50 <Gumboot> Oh, and the performance.
Apr 11 22:18:53 <ctate> Gumboot: 64 bit address space would be very useful for Android
Apr 11 22:19:15 <ctate> independently of actual performance considerations
Apr 11 22:19:23 <Gumboot> ctate: You have some specific tricks in mind?
Apr 11 22:19:31 <ctate> not tricks per se
Apr 11 22:19:56 <ctate> but being able to mmap the universe without worrying about address space fragmentation / exhaustion is a nice situation to be in
Apr 11 22:20:08 <ctate> and the binder driver in particular uses a *lot* of address space, enough that it's a concern
Apr 11 22:20:10 <Jouva> AHA! That seems to be it
Apr 11 22:20:11 <readme> In order to use my own keystore for SSL, I had to scour the net for an old copy of bouncy castle's provider jar
Apr 11 22:20:14 <ctate> and that'd go away
Apr 11 22:20:21 <readme> and my google, turned up only 1 copy
Apr 11 22:20:24 <ctate> (kernel address space, specifically)
Apr 11 22:20:29 <readme> fortunately, it was in google code, so it's probably not malicious.
Apr 11 22:22:06 <Gumboot> I remember the days when things like Doom were making a compelling case for 32-bit for broadly the same reasons.
Apr 11 22:22:21 <Gumboot> So basically you want four billion Dooms...
Apr 11 22:22:22 <ctate> mhm
Apr 11 22:22:29 <ctate> .... sure; doesn't everyone?
Apr 11 22:22:44 <DarsVaeda> is "if( "foo" == String("foo") )" true or false?
Apr 11 22:22:50 <Gumboot> Well, I do now that I've thought about it.
Apr 11 22:23:09 <Jouva> SimonVT: Thank you so much for pointing out the weight. This was bugging me for a while because I needed fill_parent to make sure the dashboard didn't get squished but I didn't know how to put something else in the layout below a fill_parent widget.
Apr 11 22:23:32 <ctate> DarsVaeda: false
Apr 11 22:23:34 <ctate> in java
Apr 11 22:23:36 <Jouva> Is there a bot that keeps track of karma in here?
Apr 11 22:23:48 <ctate> == in java compares object instances, and your literal and String("foo") will be different instances
Apr 11 22:23:59 <ctate> you want to use .equals for checking whether string contents match
Apr 11 22:24:15 <DarsVaeda> ahh okay, thanks a lot
Apr 11 22:24:20 <Gumboot> I'm wondering if a 64-bit OS with a 32-bit JVM (even jitted) would be feasible.  Just to keep things tight in cache.
Apr 11 22:24:24 <DarsVaeda> sorry was a bit offtopic I guess
Apr 11 22:24:51 <ctate> DarsVaeda: s'okay.  that's a really common new-to-Java problem people hit.
Apr 11 22:25:29 <DarsVaeda> yeah I'm more PHP until now...
Apr 11 22:25:37 <Gumboot> I think I will pass that on, though.  It might help tip the balance in some internal debates.
Apr 11 22:25:52 <ctate> oh god, PHP and == and === and oh god it burns
Apr 11 22:26:13 <DarsVaeda> yes I tried that first, hahaha
Apr 11 22:28:13 <Jouva> Is there an infobot in here that keeps track of karma?
Apr 11 22:29:19 <Gumboot> Or maybe I should keep my mouth shut.  I'd wonder what was going to happen to legacy 32-bit platforms once Android started including 64-bit targets.
Apr 11 22:29:20 <root66> Jouva: no
Apr 11 22:29:29 <Jouva> Ok then
Apr 11 22:29:42 <root66> Jouva--
Apr 11 22:29:49 <Jouva> :P
Apr 11 22:30:04 <Gumboot> They'd be too easily forgotten.  Not necessarily universally forgotten, but there would be mishaps.
Apr 11 22:30:28 <root66> legacy abd 32bit in the same sentence is silly
Apr 11 22:30:29 <ctate> Jouva: no, no bots here.
Apr 11 22:30:30 <root66> for now
Apr 11 22:30:37 <ctate> (that is intentional)
Apr 11 22:30:44 <root66> ctate++
Apr 11 22:30:44 <Jouva> ok
Apr 11 22:31:57 <root66> Gumboot: people learned their lesson from win64
Apr 11 22:32:15 <Gumboot> What happened there?
Apr 11 22:32:22 <root66> the number 64 is tainted by incompatibility
Apr 11 22:32:36 <Gumboot> ILP64 or something, wasn't it?
Apr 11 22:32:50 <root66> I am referring mostly to driver issues
Apr 11 22:32:54 <Gumboot> I just see it as cache mangling.
Apr 11 22:33:00 <root66> win64 was a failure at face value
Apr 11 22:33:08 <root66> it was known for not supporting things
Apr 11 22:33:17 <root66> they ahd to sneak it into the newer product lines
Apr 11 22:33:28 <root66> among people who don't know whether they have 32 or 64 (consumer tards)
Apr 11 22:33:43 <root66> and now companies are forced into it
Apr 11 22:33:50 <Gumboot> Well, as long as ARM stays in the SoC world I don't think that'll get significantly worse.
Apr 11 22:34:47 <root66> oh, I don't expect anyone else to screw up the transition between 32 and 64bit that badly again
Apr 11 22:34:51 <root66> that was my point
Apr 11 22:35:16 <root66> thanks, microsoft, for teaching us how we should't do it, basicaly
Apr 11 22:35:25 <root66> +l
Apr 11 22:35:36 <Gumboot> I prefer 64-bit because it's an even power of two.  Odd powers of two just aren't even enough for me.
Apr 11 22:35:42 <Gumboot> And that's why we should all change.
Apr 11 22:35:45 <root66> :P
Apr 11 22:36:05 <root66> I like it because it is faster and consumes less ram for intensive stuff
Apr 11 22:36:17 <root66> but after 3 years of not having proper drivers for m-audio I went back to 32bit
Apr 11 22:36:23 <root66> and so did a lot of other people
Apr 11 22:36:28 <root66> for various reasons
Apr 11 22:36:49 <root66> and sure, a lot can be blamed on the manufacturers, but it was pretty much forced down their throats
Apr 11 22:37:48 <Gumboot> I would say it's faster for x86 because you got twice as many registers, but the same happens to be true for ARM, and that spoils my argument.
Apr 11 22:38:03 <root66> really?
Apr 11 22:38:09 <root66> I seriously didn't know that about ARM
Apr 11 22:38:12 <Gumboot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARMv8#ARMv8_and_64-bit
Apr 11 22:38:15 <root66> does that include 7+?
Apr 11 22:38:33 <root66> ah 8+
Apr 11 22:39:01 <root66> droid 1 was arm7, right?
Apr 11 22:39:20 <ctate> Droid was an OMAP3
Apr 11 22:39:27 <Gumboot> 32-bit ARM has 14ish general-purpose registers, and 64-bit ARM has 31.  x86 goes from 8-ish to 16-ish.
Apr 11 22:40:31 <Gumboot> 16 is really still a bit too cozy for my liking, but it's nothing you can't mitigate with a huge pile of silicon.
Apr 11 22:41:05 <root66> wait, omap isn't arm?
Apr 11 22:41:08 * Gumboot spent the last 8 years with 31 general purpose registers.
Apr 11 22:41:20 <root66> I thought omap3 was arm7 or 8
Apr 11 22:41:23 <wongk-home> i've been running 64 bit windows for some time now
Apr 11 22:41:43 <Gumboot> Be careful not to confuse ARMx with ARMvx.  They're completely out of phase.
Apr 11 22:41:45 <root66> wongk: it's great for average users
Apr 11 22:41:48 <root66> just not a/v people
Apr 11 22:41:52 <wongk-home> ah
Apr 11 22:41:56 <wongk-home> that i am not
Apr 11 22:42:38 <root66> basically, for years, there have been awesome "VST" instruments that are like whole keyboard with whole sets of sounds
Apr 11 22:42:45 <root66> and tons of them don't work on 64bit
Apr 11 22:43:10 <root66> only newer currently-supported stuff runs
Apr 11 22:43:13 <ctate> yeah but that's because they're written like crap and the authors don't care
Apr 11 22:43:18 <root66> and tons of great stuff was retired years ago
Apr 11 22:43:40 <root66> ctate: half-truth :/
Apr 11 22:44:11 <ctate> there is a ton of pro audio code out there that is just a nightmare, quality-wise
Apr 11 22:44:14 <ctate> it just happens to sound good
Apr 11 22:44:15 <root66> whoever is to blame, 90% of stuff is screwy on 64bit still
Apr 11 22:44:29 * ctate used to work at Be and knows a little about that space
Apr 11 22:44:35 <root66> word
Apr 11 22:44:42 <canadiancow> Be?
Apr 11 22:44:50 <ctate> yep
Apr 11 22:44:52 <wongk-home> BeOS?!
Apr 11 22:44:54 <root66> bos
Apr 11 22:44:56 <ctate> that's the one
Apr 11 22:44:57 <root66> *beos
Apr 11 22:44:59 <wongk-home> bitchin
Apr 11 22:45:30 <ctate> a lot of people from Be wound up on Android, interestingly
Apr 11 22:45:32 <ctate> eventually
Apr 11 22:45:47 <canadiancow> conspiracy
Apr 11 22:46:08 <wongk-home> there's a similar phenominon at my company
Apr 11 22:46:11 <root66> I know how frustrating and insulting it is to emulate bad hardware/sofware (see also: WINE)
Apr 11 22:46:19 <root66> but eventually I expect someone will make these 32bit audio plugins work
Apr 11 22:46:20 <hillct> I'm trying to debug an app that utilizes the hardware camera. As I understand it the newer versions of the AVD support attachment to webcams, but I can't seem to get it to work. Does it operate only when emulating OS versions greater than 2.2 or something?
Apr 11 22:47:01 <spankbot> Can anyone explain if this is possible?  Generate a ListView with locations and based on the bearing draw an arrow (compass) for each location while enabling the ListView to scroll without losing the scroll position since the ListView will constantly be updating based on the Bearing Sensor.
Apr 11 22:48:20 <readme> spankbot: it's definitely possible, but updating the entire set of data for the listview each time the sensor changes might be a little too demanding.
Apr 11 22:48:45 <readme> what kind of refresh rate do you want to have
Apr 11 22:48:54 <canadiancow> SimonVT JakeWharton: ABS: Do I have to extend the sherlock theme, or is there another way i can grab the components of it that i need for stuff to work? i dont want holo on ICS
Apr 11 22:49:21 <JakeWharton> ABS does nothing on ICS but proxy to native
Apr 11 22:49:30 <JakeWharton> if you don't want Holo, you don't get an action bar
Apr 11 22:49:41 <canadiancow> bah
Apr 11 22:49:59 <canadiancow> the holo theme is causing some issues with button sizes
Apr 11 22:50:35 <spankbot> readme >> I already have the ListView generating.. based on GPS or Network Sensor and updating the Location Distance for each row and a little needle fore each row that points to the bearing.  It's work's fins and it's not demanding.  The problem is I can't scroll the ListView.
Apr 11 22:51:00 <readme> spankbot: why isn't the listview scrolling? because you're updating it so much?
Apr 11 22:51:12 <readme> >It works fine
Apr 11 22:51:17 <readme> >the listview isn't scrolling
Apr 11 22:51:25 <readme> lets reconsider...
Apr 11 22:52:27 <spankbot> readme >> yup.. it's being updated on a background thread by the gyro, taking the bearing and recalculating the landmarks in the ListView.
Apr 11 22:52:48 <spankbot> readme: I can scroll but instantly lose my position
Apr 11 22:52:51 <readme> spankbot: try with the slowest sensor delay
Apr 11 22:53:23 <spankbot> readme: but still that means the listview will refresh and the user experience is not as great
Apr 11 22:54:16 <readme> spankbot: yeah, you are going to have to figure out some better solution, where you handle those views yourself.
Apr 11 22:54:42 <spankbot> readme: I know it's possible... I have an app and this guy nailed it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.palta.metro&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5wYWx0YS5tZXRybyJd
Apr 11 22:54:53 <readme> spankbot: of course it's possible
Apr 11 22:55:16 <readme> try keeping your own list of views
Apr 11 22:55:46 <spankbot> readme: I'm so close I can taste it!  thanks for the motivation..  I'll keep probing
Apr 11 22:59:39 <bubbleguuum> Anyone knows the exact state of MediaPlayer / AudioTrack for the ICS lockscreen music controls to appear (aka RemoteControlClient) ? I can get it to display just fine but it disappear briefly between tracks (while it doesn't do that with the regular Google Music app).
Apr 11 23:08:26 <readme> MediaPlayer doesn't actually have UI of its own, do you know this?
Apr 11 23:10:14 <Chronax> Guys is there any way for me to style the "pop-up" of the spinner separate from the actual spinner drop-down? I'm using a custom Adapter that renders TextViews, but when I style the TextView, it also modifies the main Spinner drop-down.
Apr 11 23:13:45 <canadiancow> i have to drive 5 hours for a lunch next week
Apr 11 23:13:50 <canadiancow> that means i have to leave at like....7
Apr 11 23:13:56 <canadiancow> and it's a friday
Apr 11 23:14:05 <canadiancow> i can hear the rebecca black music already
Apr 11 23:14:11 <canadiancow> 7am waking up in the morning...
Apr 11 23:16:08 <offultimate> lol
Apr 11 23:17:01 <bubbleguuum> readme: yes I know that. To answer my own question: ICS music lockscreen appear if the app has the audio focus. Makes sense.
Apr 11 23:20:37 <readme> Chronax: yeah, you can. I don't remember how to off the top of my head.
Apr 11 23:23:38 <readme> Chronax: setDropDownViewResource()
Apr 11 23:23:44 <readme> on the adapter
Apr 11 23:24:37 <readme> http://pastie.org/3771229
Apr 11 23:43:21 <vadi2> Is it possible to detect when the user scrolled to the bottom of a ListView? (for downloading more content)
Apr 11 23:44:17 <pfn> yes
Apr 11 23:44:30 <pfn> all the google apps do it
Apr 11 23:44:43 <vadi2> How would I do that? I didn't notice relevant hooks
Apr 11 23:45:49 <pfn> dunno
Apr 11 23:45:57 <maslen> How can I install the eclipse plugin in Ubuntu? When I try to, it tells me I need the android SDK installed
Apr 11 23:46:11 <vadi2> Download the SDK first then
Apr 11 23:46:17 <maslen> I did. And installed them.
Apr 11 23:46:29 <vadi2> Did you point it to the SDK location?
Apr 11 23:46:48 <pfn> vadi2, look through ListView, and all associated listeners, also consider the model
Apr 11 23:47:09 <pfn> vadi2, when the model returns the last visible view, it means the user scrolled to the bottom
Apr 11 23:47:23 <vadi2> makes sense
Apr 11 23:47:26 <pfn> or there's fewer items than the visile height
Apr 11 23:47:35 <maslen> vadi2: Where do I do that?
Apr 11 23:47:54 <vadi2> maslen: I think it asks you where during the installation
Apr 11 23:48:13 <maslen> It doesn't get that far.
Apr 11 23:49:04 <maslen> "Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be found.   Software being installed: Android Development Tools 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762 (com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.feature.group 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762)   Missing requirement: Android Development Tools 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762 (com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.feature.group 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762) requires 'org.eclipse.wst.sse.core 0.0.0' but it could not be fou
Apr 11 23:49:24 <vadi2> 'org.eclipse.wst.sse.core'
Apr 11 23:49:33 <vadi2> is the relevant missing bit from your eclipse installation
Apr 11 23:50:05 <vadi2> and googling a bit leads to: https://developers.google.com/eclipse/docs/faq?hl=es#wstinstallerror
Apr 11 23:50:15 <vadi2> [During installation, there's an error about requiring org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui. How do I fix that?]
Apr 11 23:50:26 <maslen> I found it on SO. I had misinterpreted the error.
Apr 11 23:55:55 <maslen> thank you vadi2
Apr 12 00:00:04 <canadiancow> im getting fat
Apr 12 00:00:11 <canadiancow> i should quit my job and go work at like UPS or FedEx
Apr 12 00:00:16 <canadiancow> moving boxes around all day
Apr 12 00:03:37 <vbabiy> How do you start one of the new emulators that is using the gpu
Apr 12 00:06:50 <ctate> configure the AVD to enable it
Apr 12 00:07:21 <ctate> http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/devices/emulator.html#acceleration
Apr 12 00:44:52 <vadi2> JakeWharton: the device chooser complains that the target has a lower Android version, is that normal? (still launches fine and etc)
Apr 12 00:46:02 <JakeWharton> yes
Apr 12 00:46:12 <JakeWharton> it's dumb
Apr 12 00:46:24 <JakeWharton> http://simonvt.net/2012/02/07/what-api-level-should-i-target/
Apr 12 00:46:32 <JakeWharton> wait
Apr 12 00:46:47 <readme> whos blog is that
Apr 12 00:46:56 <JakeWharton> not sure
Apr 12 00:46:59 <JakeWharton> some random guy
Apr 12 00:47:09 <JakeWharton> nobody likes him
Apr 12 00:47:17 <readme> another blog i like
Apr 12 00:47:21 <readme> blog.crazybob.org
Apr 12 00:47:22 <readme> :)
Apr 12 00:47:29 <JakeWharton> i work with crazybob :)
Apr 12 00:47:34 <readme> thats why I mentioned
Apr 12 00:47:41 <readme> is he really crazy?
Apr 12 00:47:46 <JakeWharton> crazy smart
Apr 12 00:47:49 <readme> (that blog saved my life at ssl today)
Apr 12 00:48:25 <Jug6ernaut> @ ssl?
Apr 12 00:48:49 <readme> trying to use an untrusted SSL cert on android is something like pulling your own tooth.
Apr 12 00:49:09 <canadiancow|work> my blog is good too :(
Apr 12 00:49:14 <readme> whats the url
Apr 12 00:49:27 <canadiancow|work> :(
Apr 12 00:49:29 <readme> i'll add u to mah blogosphere
Apr 12 00:49:37 <Jug6ernaut> readme yea i had to go through some hoops to use an untrusted url also
Apr 12 00:49:46 <canadiancow|work> my blog is not public
Apr 12 00:49:50 <Jug6ernaut> so
Apr 12 00:49:51 <readme> I made some helper classes so next time it will be easier
Apr 12 00:49:52 <Jug6ernaut> its not a blog?
Apr 12 00:49:56 <Jug6ernaut> well
Apr 12 00:49:56 <readme> going to refactor em a bit and share them
Apr 12 00:49:59 <canadiancow|work> most of my articles contain proprietary info
Apr 12 00:50:02 <canadiancow|work> so is hosted internally
Apr 12 00:50:07 <canadiancow|work> it's available to several thousand people
Apr 12 00:50:09 <Jug6ernaut> i just wrote htmlPost and htmlGet functions
Apr 12 00:50:11 <readme> oh man, they own your thoughts
Apr 12 00:50:21 <vadi2> heh @ "it's that simple" to do and if for android versions on method calls. I get to do it way simpler: (editor.apply or editor.commit)(editor);
Apr 12 00:50:44 <Jug6ernaut> java > w/e ur talking about
Apr 12 00:50:49 <Jug6ernaut> unless its c/c++
Apr 12 00:50:58 <vadi2> sure sure
Apr 12 00:51:11 <readme> Jug6ernaut: i separated out the creation of the HttpClient from the rest of the code using a static factory pattern and then derived two concrete implementations from my base class, one that uses the flaky ssl and one that simply uses a defaulthttpclient
Apr 12 00:51:14 <canadiancow|work> you dont need to use editor.apply
Apr 12 00:51:32 <Jug6ernaut> ahh
Apr 12 00:51:35 <canadiancow|work> its not like "OH KNOSES ON 2.3 COMMIT WONT WORK"
Apr 12 00:51:36 <Jug6ernaut> make sense
Apr 12 00:51:39 <canadiancow|work> i dont like that example
Apr 12 00:52:04 <Jug6ernaut> (are we talking about sharedprefs)
Apr 12 00:52:06 <vadi2> Yeah heh. Apply is a bit better to use when possible though
Apr 12 00:52:08 <readme> also if the weird httpclient fails to be constructed, the code falls back on the default... because at least in my case some devices seem to trust my cert, while others dont
Apr 12 00:52:34 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 00:52:39 <Jug6ernaut> thats...weird
Apr 12 00:52:50 <readme> the cert works on my device, but fails on emulator
Apr 12 00:52:54 <readme> unless I use the custom code
Apr 12 00:53:20 <readme> low-end ssl cert, :)
Apr 12 00:53:31 <readme> not my call, its someone elses server
Apr 12 00:53:36 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 00:53:50 * Jug6ernaut blames canadiancow|work
Apr 12 00:53:53 <readme> last time I was asked to choose ssl cert i just went straight to verisign.com and bought the cadillac plan
Apr 12 00:53:56 <Jug6ernaut> u fix draw something yet? :P
Apr 12 00:54:36 <krabador> hi people, how can i fix crash in android when i manually restore my backup of mmssms.db and contacts2.db , in a  fresh rom installation?
Apr 12 00:54:51 <Jug6ernaut> readme im writing a program for my school(senior project bla bla waste of time bla bla) but i have to get info from there main server
Apr 12 00:54:56 <Jug6ernaut> self signed cert!?!
Apr 12 00:55:01 <Jug6ernaut> for a university
Apr 12 00:55:02 <Jug6ernaut> wtf
Apr 12 00:55:05 <readme> srsly
Apr 12 00:55:11 <readme> wtf are you paying for
Apr 12 00:55:15 <Jug6ernaut> dude
Apr 12 00:55:16 <Jug6ernaut> dude
Apr 12 00:55:19 <Jug6ernaut> i wonder that every day
Apr 12 00:55:45 <Jug6ernaut> :S
Apr 12 00:55:56 <ctate> krabador: #android-root
Apr 12 00:56:03 * Jug6ernaut finishes that project next wednesday tho woho
Apr 12 00:56:37 <readme> if the emulator was a physical object, I would smash it right now
Apr 12 00:56:38 <krabador> ctate, ok thanx :)
Apr 12 00:56:55 * Jug6ernaut does not use the emulator
Apr 12 00:57:12 <Jug6ernaut> only as last testing for res differences
Apr 12 00:57:17 <readme> I'm starting to wonder if SSL is just broken on the emulator.
Apr 12 00:57:28 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 00:57:43 <readme> I've got two implementations of my HttpClient, one that uses ONLY the private keystore that I made
Apr 12 00:57:50 <readme> one that uses the private keystore, but falls back on the device's certs
Apr 12 00:57:58 <readme> and one that is default
Apr 12 00:58:01 <readme> all three work on device
Apr 12 00:58:04 <readme> all three fail on emulator
Apr 12 00:58:07 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 00:58:29 <readme> know how I can generate phone calls to my device from the cloud?
Apr 12 00:58:31 <readme> maybe, for free?
Apr 12 00:58:38 <readme> because I'm about to put the emulator down for the night.
Apr 12 00:59:12 * Jug6ernaut ignores all communication that contains reference to "the cloud"
Apr 12 00:59:38 <canadiancow|work> [20:53:56] <Jug6ernaut> u fix draw something yet? :P
Apr 12 00:59:44 <canadiancow|work> no
Apr 12 00:59:47 <Jug6ernaut> :(
Apr 12 00:59:52 <canadiancow|work> maybe one day
Apr 12 00:59:53 <canadiancow|work> but not yet
Apr 12 01:00:01 * Jug6ernaut continues to way
Apr 12 01:00:05 <Jug6ernaut> wait
Apr 12 01:00:08 <readme> well, do you know any web services which I can use to generate phone calls to my device for free? ... maybe twilio
Apr 12 01:00:09 <Jug6ernaut> ...
Apr 12 01:00:12 * Jug6ernaut 's brain doesnt work some times...
Apr 12 01:00:21 * Jug6ernaut does not
Apr 12 01:05:46 <freecandy> http://wheresmycellphone.com/ works for me.
Apr 12 01:05:57 <readme> I don't trust that thing
Apr 12 01:06:05 <readme> it probably adds your phone number to a list for telemarketers to use
Apr 12 01:06:16 <readme> I believe twilio can do it free, I just signed up
Apr 12 01:06:24 <readme> twilio is cool anyway and I have been meaning to try
Apr 12 01:06:58 <freecandy> Oh, didn't think about that. I get the occasional spam text, nothing too outrageous.
Apr 12 01:07:30 <readme> online password generator is another one to avoid :)
Apr 12 01:08:35 <dragorn> readme: skype credits are cheap?
Apr 12 01:11:57 <Trenith> How do I make a pdf file viewable in webview or is that even possible? Goal: Hit button and it launches a site ex. www.example.com/calendar.pdf and that pdf is viewable
Apr 12 01:12:10 <pfn> Trenith, you view the pdf in a pdf viewer
Apr 12 01:12:12 <pfn> not in a webview
Apr 12 01:12:29 <Trenith> So I need to intergrate a pdf viewer into the app then?
Apr 12 01:13:20 <readme> dragorn: yeah, that's certainly a way
Apr 12 01:13:51 <dragorn> readme: there's plenty of cheap voip vendors too, but I can't think of anything thats free
Apr 12 01:14:16 <pfn> voip with pstn integration is not free
Apr 12 01:14:19 <pfn> there's viber
Apr 12 01:14:21 <pfn> that's free
Apr 12 01:14:29 <pfn> but it doesn't connect to pstn either
Apr 12 01:14:46 <pfn> oh, generate phone calls to device?
Apr 12 01:14:59 <readme> I'm using twilio
Apr 12 01:15:08 <readme> it's free if you verify you own the device
Apr 12 01:15:29 <pfn> tropo is free for "development"
Apr 12 01:15:31 <pfn> in the US
Apr 12 01:15:54 <readme> cool
Apr 12 01:16:08 <pfn> no idea what you're asking, though
Apr 12 01:16:15 <readme> I've got my setup already
Apr 12 01:16:24 <readme> tropo seems worth checking out one day perhaps
Apr 12 01:16:35 <pfn> but tropo lets you terminate calls to any US phone number you want
Apr 12 01:16:49 <pfn> need to write a short 1-2 line script
Apr 12 01:16:50 <pfn> but it works
Apr 12 01:16:54 <readme> call any phone in the US, free, without verification?
Apr 12 01:17:02 <pfn> readme, pretty much
Apr 12 01:17:04 <ctate> pfn: Don't be evil....
Apr 12 01:17:07 <readme> lol, those guys are daft
Apr 12 01:17:17 <pfn> ctate, I'm not the one that's evil  :p
Apr 12 01:17:21 <pfn> ctate, and I use it at work
Apr 12 01:17:25 <readme> i bet they are already a spammer haven.
Apr 12 01:17:27 <pfn> we use it for sending sms and voice oob verifications
Apr 12 01:17:40 <pfn> and yes, we can send to any arbitrary phone number
Apr 12 01:18:19 <pfn> dunno how heavily it's used for spamming
Apr 12 01:18:28 <pfn> it's not allowed per aup/tos
Apr 12 01:18:54 <readme> i'm going to use it to write a wardialer and hack the gibson
Apr 12 01:19:14 <Trenith> pfn: so whats the best way to go about attacking this pdf thing?
Apr 12 01:19:32 <pfn> Trenith, have the user install a pdf viewer, then send an action_view intent
Apr 12 01:19:40 <pfn> Trenith, the pdf viewer should just naturally open it
Apr 12 01:20:08 <Trenith> And have the download a specific one or will anyone do?
Apr 12 01:20:17 <pfn> there's lots of pdf viewers
Apr 12 01:20:21 <pfn> some phones come with them
Apr 12 01:20:29 <pfn> worst-case you can direct them to adobe reader, or something
Apr 12 01:20:53 <pfn> check to see if there's a handler for your intent, if there's not, direct to market for an "endorsed" pdf reader
Apr 12 01:21:04 <pfn> or redirect to a market search for pdf reader
Apr 12 01:21:11 <pfn> if you don't want to endorse a specific reader
Apr 12 01:46:59 <canadiancow|work> holy fuck people are crazy
Apr 12 01:53:15 <xorgate> tru dat
Apr 12 02:03:39 <JakeWharton> *canadians
Apr 12 02:04:45 <readme> canadiancow|work: http://geocoder.ca/?sued=1
Apr 12 02:04:57 <readme> sued for creating an open geocoding database.
Apr 12 02:05:03 <ctate> woo, 18/15 stars on Angry Birds Space eggsteroids levels
Apr 12 02:06:43 <ghchinoy> heh, congrats, ctate!
Apr 12 02:07:21 * Jug6ernaut lol's
Apr 12 02:08:12 <ctate> (if you play it on a Samsung device there is an extra level set + one extra Eggsteroid board)
Apr 12 02:08:26 <Jug6ernaut> woho
Apr 12 02:08:28 * Jug6ernaut loves his note
Apr 12 02:08:31 <ctate> so:  adb backup on the Samsung device wehre it shows 18/18 stars on Eggsteroids, adb restore on a Xoom
Apr 12 02:08:41 <ctate> voilà!  18/15 stars on Eggsteroids :)
Apr 12 02:08:49 <Jug6ernaut> haha
Apr 12 02:09:13 <ctate> alas it doesn't fake it into showing the bonus level set on the Xoom
Apr 12 02:10:31 * Jug6ernaut needs to sell his xoom
Apr 12 02:10:41 <haz3lnut> for how much?
Apr 12 02:10:54 <Jug6ernaut> throw out a price ;)
Apr 12 02:11:31 <haz3lnut> I want an transformer prime after they fix the gps issue.
Apr 12 02:11:32 <canadiancow> brand new 32GB are goign for 300 right?
Apr 12 02:11:59 <Jug6ernaut> 300? damn
Apr 12 02:12:13 <Jug6ernaut> 50% depreciation in 1 year
Apr 12 02:12:16 <ctate> Transformer Prime has gps issues?
Apr 12 02:12:22 <Jug6ernaut> aye
Apr 12 02:12:26 <Jug6ernaut> so i hear
Apr 12 02:12:28 * Jug6ernaut doesnt have 1
Apr 12 02:13:01 <Jug6ernaut> i would only get one if it included optimus
Apr 12 02:13:32 <haz3lnut> crate, what I read.
Apr 12 02:13:35 <canadiancow> http://1saleaday.com/
Apr 12 02:13:40 <haz3lnut> ctate:
Apr 12 02:13:43 <canadiancow> 32GB xoom - $330
Apr 12 02:13:55 <canadiancow> if theres one benefit of tablets over laptops, it's weight
Apr 12 02:13:59 <ctate> ::nods::
Apr 12 02:14:02 <canadiancow> the xoom is heavier than like... everything
Apr 12 02:14:02 <haz3lnut> sprint sells the xoom for $499
Apr 12 02:14:03 <maxagaz> are there people in china here ?
Apr 12 02:14:14 <ctate> canadiancow: about the same weight as the new iPad, actually
Apr 12 02:14:18 <ctate> fwiw
Apr 12 02:14:20 <haz3lnut> please.  heavier? like by 2 oz?
Apr 12 02:14:26 <canadiancow> really???
Apr 12 02:14:38 <canadiancow> i couldnt use the xoom - too heavy
Apr 12 02:14:39 <haz3lnut> my earbuds way more than the weight diff.
Apr 12 02:14:42 <canadiancow> for what it's meant for
Apr 12 02:14:44 <haz3lnut> weigh
Apr 12 02:14:52 <ctate> canadiancow: yeah, the new iPad bulks up the battery something fierce
Apr 12 02:15:00 <canadiancow> i still remember seeing the gtab 10.1 for the first time at the samsung party the night before IO last year
Apr 12 02:15:04 <canadiancow> i was like "wow this is awesome"
Apr 12 02:15:11 <canadiancow> then the next morning "you're all getting one!"
Apr 12 02:15:17 <ctate> \o/
Apr 12 02:15:19 <Ologn> The dev who told me debugging with ndk sucked was not lying
Apr 12 02:15:50 <Jug6ernaut> canadicancow shhh
Apr 12 02:15:55 <Jug6ernaut> no1 needs to know about that!
Apr 12 02:15:58 <readme> compared to java, debugging anything sucks
Apr 12 02:15:58 <canadiancow> ?
Apr 12 02:16:04 <ctate> Everyone gets a GTab!  http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1416886_o.gif
Apr 12 02:16:07 <readme> nothing is easier than debugging java.
Apr 12 02:16:18 <canadiancow> LG Google TV’s could be hitting US stores as early as this week and priced at $1,600 and $2,100 for 47-inch and 55-inch sizes, respectively.
Apr 12 02:16:20 <canadiancow> ffs
Apr 12 02:16:25 <canadiancow> i paid $1000 for a 55 inch
Apr 12 02:16:30 <canadiancow> and got a free revue
Apr 12 02:16:43 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 02:16:51 * Jug6ernaut paid 860 for his...50"
Apr 12 02:16:55 * Jug6ernaut loves his tv
Apr 12 02:17:04 <canadiancow> +1
Apr 12 02:17:09 <haz3lnut> or you could get a $500 lg tv and a $600 mac mini, load up xbmc and you're good to go :-)
Apr 12 02:17:09 <canadiancow> sammy makes nice displays
Apr 12 02:17:18 <canadiancow> tv + monitor + monitor + tablet + phone all samsung displays
Apr 12 02:17:31 <canadiancow> my tv was $500 off when i bought it (boxing day)
Apr 12 02:17:35 <Jug6ernaut> canadiancow mines a panasonic
Apr 12 02:17:51 <canadiancow> im not saying others are bad, but i love my sammys
Apr 12 02:17:55 <canadiancow> they make nice displays
Apr 12 02:18:00 <canadiancow> not so great with everything else though
Apr 12 02:18:04 <canadiancow> O HAI BROKEN RIL
Apr 12 02:18:09 <haz3lnut> I bought a sony <duck and cover>
Apr 12 02:18:34 <readme> i've got a sony blu ray player. I can reboot it by plugging in a keyboard and typing sysrq magic keys.
Apr 12 02:18:36 <Jug6ernaut> http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57347166-221/top-5-tvs-of-2011/
Apr 12 02:18:45 <Jug6ernaut> mines the panasonic 50
Apr 12 02:18:45 <readme> that's as far as I got though.
Apr 12 02:18:46 <BGL> samsung does seem the best
Apr 12 02:19:00 <haz3lnut> logging out to play star trek, see y'all later :-)
Apr 12 02:19:05 <BGL> every so often a specific model of some other brand that comes out seems just as good or better, but other brands don't seem as consistent
Apr 12 02:19:54 <BGL> there was a 27" samsung monitor for < $300 on newegg the other day
Apr 12 02:20:06 <BGL> think it was like $280/$290
Apr 12 02:21:32 <vadi2> Somehow, ListView's onScroll is going mad and spazzing out even though I'm not scrolling at all or even touching the screen.
Apr 12 02:21:43 <canadiancow> Additions to Buyer’s Currency on Google Play
Apr 12 02:21:45 <canadiancow> orly
Apr 12 02:26:02 <zPenguin> anyone know of a way to have a non kernel based with arm architecture specific alongside Android API dependant method in overwrite of boot partition or forcing boot loader into temporarily loading a boot.img from within a running system
Apr 12 02:26:05 <zPenguin> thats not rooted
Apr 12 02:27:16 <p_l> ... that's a bit... disjoint
Apr 12 02:27:25 <readme> who else is waiting for the emulator right now
Apr 12 02:27:35 <readme> I just launched two at once, should be a while
Apr 12 02:27:56 <p_l> sooo, you want a way outside kernel to overwriting boot partition or loading a different OS...
Apr 12 02:29:04 <p_l> both will require apropriate permissions from kernel, and the second is *much* easier if you use kernel support
Apr 12 02:29:45 <p_l> in fact, the second is impossible without kernel support, it's just possible to force your code into kernel in good old-fashioned way
Apr 12 02:29:58 <readme> you can do it with a magnetic degausser :P
Apr 12 02:30:58 <p_l> readme: degausser actually won't help you
Apr 12 02:33:42 <readme> oh
Apr 12 02:33:59 <readme> i guess there's always hammers
Apr 12 02:34:34 <p_l> readme: again won't do the trick ;)
Apr 12 02:36:58 <vadi2> logcat auto-pausing so annoying
Apr 12 02:47:21 <gridbag> whats the screen capture command, again?
Apr 12 02:48:35 <readme> not sure about command line, but it is easy to do if you run ddms.
Apr 12 02:49:30 <gridbag> readme, ah, ok.  Device->Screenshot...
Apr 12 02:49:49 <phantasmoholic> or ctrl-s
Apr 12 02:50:57 <xorgate> how would i go about making a drawable that's a gradient and has a bitmap over it?
Apr 12 02:51:39 <readme> why not make the gradient drawable, and set it as the background of an imageview, then set the bitmap as the src
Apr 12 02:52:04 <xorgate> cause i want the drawable to be the background of a layout
Apr 12 02:52:05 <gridbag> awesome, thanks!  that fixed the  UV coords in my .obj .  Here's a screenshot of that displaying on my android phone:  http://www.pasteall.org/pic/29962
Apr 12 02:52:36 <readme> xorgate: are you using RelativeLayout?
Apr 12 02:53:27 <xorgate> i have a linearlayout (vertical) with 3 textviews. depending on a certain property of the item, i want to display the gradient background with or without an additional bitmap
Apr 12 02:53:52 <readme> RelativeLayout and FrameLayout both stack their elements in order from first to last
Apr 12 02:54:18 <readme> so if you used one of those, you could set the gradient drawable as the background of the outer layout, and display the bitmap with an imageview which could be shown/hidden
Apr 12 02:54:26 <xorgate> true
Apr 12 02:54:37 <readme> or you can just use a FrameLayout and nest your LinearLayout in it
Apr 12 02:54:40 <readme> dirty but works
Apr 12 02:58:06 <gridbag> Is there a way to get a video capture (10fps okay), without rooting the device?
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