**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 02:59:58 2012
Apr 12 03:00:35 <readme> i think the best way to do that is to use the hdmi port
Apr 12 03:00:49 <readme> but it might require some investment in hardware
Apr 12 03:00:57 <readme> and of course the result is a lot better than 10fps
Apr 12 03:01:25 <ldlework> How do I access files in /data/data/foo.bar.com/files? adb shell tells me I don't have permission.
Apr 12 03:01:43 <readme> ldlework: you can't unless you have root
Apr 12 03:01:51 <readme> so either root your device or use an emulator
Apr 12 03:01:55 <ldlework> dang it, well how does adb put stuff there.
Apr 12 03:02:10 <ldlework> hmm I wonder how difficult the root procedure is
Apr 12 03:02:10 <readme> that's a good question
Apr 12 03:02:22 <readme> depending on your device, not very difficult.
Apr 12 03:02:32 <ldlework> got a list of em handy?
Apr 12 03:02:34 <ldlework> :)
Apr 12 03:02:53 <ldlework> ss galaxy ii anyone?
Apr 12 03:04:58 <p_l> ldlework: flash a kernel that will load root from initrd
Apr 12 03:05:10 <p_l> at least on real (International) SGS2
Apr 12 03:05:53 <p_l> Chainfire's CF-Root works well
Apr 12 03:05:57 <p_l> (used it recently)
Apr 12 03:08:17 <ldlework> sounds scary
Apr 12 03:08:25 <ldlework> damn it I just want to read this log file hehe
Apr 12 03:10:06 <cooldman224> hello im trying to do what list17 in the 4.0 api demos does with my gingerbread compat app. I've copied the layouts, drawables, from the 4.0.3 res but the list item won't activate with the style. What am I missing that ICS has that GB doesnt? Here is all my stuff: http://pastebin.com/SB5CtRXT
Apr 12 03:12:47 <cooldman224> nvm, linearlayout is iffy about being clicked
Apr 12 03:12:58 <cooldman224> gotta override dat shiz
Apr 12 03:19:27 <blommer> hello
Apr 12 03:19:31 <blommer> We're putting together an inventory app that will use the GPS offline without a data connection plus take photos, some of which could be dimly lit. Does anyone have a suggestion for a good model? We will buying unlocked without a data plan.
Apr 12 03:20:09 <xorgate> what do you mean model
Apr 12 03:20:37 <phantasmoholic> i think he means device
Apr 12 03:21:14 <blommer> Yes, device.
Apr 12 03:22:23 <xorgate> i guess it depends on the quality of the camera
Apr 12 03:23:07 <blommer> Obviously, what devices have the best cameras :)
Apr 12 03:23:34 <xorgate> i guess there's websites for that. this channel isn't really the place for such problems
Apr 12 03:23:58 <phantasmoholic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices
Apr 12 03:25:34 <blommer> Ok I just figured devs would have the best insight...will move along
Apr 12 03:36:23 <Barrett_> anyone done any dev for google TV?
Apr 12 03:39:06 <cooldman224> does anyone know if ABS supports ListView.CHOICE_MODE_MULTIPLE_MODAL?
Apr 12 03:43:39 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 12 03:43:47 <JakeWharton> yes I do know
Apr 12 03:43:49 <JakeWharton> no it does not
Apr 12 03:44:38 <cooldman224> damn that would have saved me a bunch of time, will it ever?
Apr 12 03:44:42 <JakeWharton> https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/347#issuecomment-5056976
Apr 12 03:44:51 <JakeWharton> sure, fork the library, implement it, and send a pull request
Apr 12 03:45:18 <chups> oooo
Apr 12 03:45:25 <chups> you guys are talking about something interesting
Apr 12 03:45:28 <chups> just came in
Apr 12 03:45:29 <chups> care to share?
Apr 12 03:46:06 <JakeWharton> ActionBarSherlock's support (or lack thereof) of batch contexual actions with ListView
Apr 12 03:47:32 <JakeWharton> cooldman224: I have a finite set of time. If I find the time, I'll implement it using a SherlockListView class.
Apr 12 03:47:49 <JakeWharton> until then you can fake it yourself rather easily with a tiny bit more work
Apr 12 03:48:00 <JakeWharton> or you can fork/update/contribute :D
Apr 12 03:48:41 <cooldman224> JakeWharton, its fine, yeah thats whats im going to do. the abs already goes everything else I wanted
Apr 12 03:48:57 <JakeWharton> the class linked in that comment looks pretty good
Apr 12 03:49:06 <JakeWharton> I imagine mine would be very much similar
Apr 12 03:49:18 <cooldman224> I am looking at it/checking the project out
Apr 12 03:50:36 <JakeWharton> maybe I'll start offering bounties for feature requests
Apr 12 03:52:50 <JakeWharton> for implementing them, rather
Apr 12 03:53:03 <cooldman224> like what kind
Apr 12 03:53:30 <JakeWharton> $50
Apr 12 03:53:32 <JakeWharton> $100
Apr 12 03:53:35 <JakeWharton> i don't know
Apr 12 03:53:45 <JakeWharton> i'd rather offer for fixing bugs and let me do the new features :)
Apr 12 03:53:53 <cooldman224> oh wow i wasnt expecting money!
Apr 12 03:54:05 <cooldman224> what bugs?????????
Apr 12 03:54:11 <cooldman224> no such thing
Apr 12 03:54:15 <JakeWharton> ha i wish
Apr 12 03:54:26 <JakeWharton> i figured out how to solve one last night at like 2am
Apr 12 03:54:31 <JakeWharton> had to get out of bed and write it down
Apr 12 03:55:33 <xorgate> is it standard practice that my activity gets recreated after i return from the app's preferenceactivity?
Apr 12 03:55:36 <cooldman224> i like those moments but then again they keep me semi awake
Apr 12 03:55:51 <JakeWharton> xorgate: yes
Apr 12 03:56:05 <JakeWharton> http://www.damnlol.com/pics/711/b405d0fa6e5abf946110d9182b67bcfe.gif
Apr 12 03:56:07 <xorgate> i guess it makes sense.. in a way
Apr 12 03:56:48 <ron_frown> whos dumblin?
Apr 12 03:57:04 <xorgate> i believe it's a character from lord of the rings
Apr 12 03:57:34 <JakeWharton> yeah, he's Neo/the one from Lord of the Rings
Apr 12 03:57:42 <JakeWharton> flys this ship Serenity around space
Apr 12 03:57:53 <xorgate> hey no messing with firefly!
Apr 12 03:58:02 <xorgate> harry potter, ok
Apr 12 03:58:03 <JakeWharton> but the computer becomes self aware and starts killing people
Apr 12 03:58:15 <JakeWharton> and then his mom is a deer and gets shot in the woods
Apr 12 03:58:25 <xorgate> in 'nam
Apr 12 03:59:01 <dragorn> JakeWharton: I hate sleep-debugging
Apr 12 03:59:11 <dragorn> JakeWharton: i've been having PCB layout dreams/nightmares for a week
Apr 12 03:59:19 <JakeWharton> haha
Apr 12 03:59:23 <JakeWharton> that's excellent
Apr 12 03:59:33 <ron_frown> dragorn - with?
Apr 12 03:59:39 <dragorn> except they turn into those dreams where nothing works for no logical reason
Apr 12 04:00:09 <dragorn> so no matter what way you rotate a square, it doesn't match a square
Apr 12 04:01:19 <dragorn> ron_frown: an android-zigbee interface
Apr 12 04:08:35 <JakeWharton> how do I growl from the CLI?
Apr 12 04:17:09 <JakeWharton> did r18 slow down anyone's builds?
Apr 12 04:17:15 <JakeWharton> r17/18
Apr 12 04:17:30 <canadiancow> its always been slow :(
Apr 12 04:18:24 <JakeWharton> oh wait we added four new modules
Apr 12 04:18:34 <JakeWharton> I bet that accounts for it
Apr 12 04:18:39 <JakeWharton> i should do a vanilla build to compare
Apr 12 04:19:11 <JakeWharton> I mavenized a shit-ton of standalone components so we just pull in .jars for them rather than compiling on every build
Apr 12 04:21:35 <david_mars> hi all,I'm building android from source ,how to change the screen resolution in source?
Apr 12 04:24:10 <ron_frown> dragorn - sweet
Apr 12 04:24:19 <dragorn> ron_frown: hopefully anyhow ;)
Apr 12 04:24:19 <ron_frown> I've been diving into some pcb shit
Apr 12 04:24:27 <ron_frown> mainly just approving designs
Apr 12 04:24:29 <ron_frown> not desinging them
Apr 12 04:24:31 <dragorn> ron_frown: http://durandal.kismetwireless.net/~dragorn/images/kisbee-02-00A.png
Apr 12 04:25:26 <JakeWharton> has anyone used parallel tasks in ant?
Apr 12 04:42:27 <JakeWharton> well, i have now
Apr 12 04:42:54 <bankai_> sweet, you can answer your own questions then :P hehe
Apr 12 04:43:47 <JakeWharton> does ant suck
Apr 12 04:43:49 <hoangtran> has anyone tried to put the build scripts (build.xml, *.properties) outside of project base directory?
Apr 12 04:43:52 <JakeWharton> why yes, jake, it does
Apr 12 04:44:27 <hoangtran> hmm, come on time with an ant question :)
Apr 12 04:48:13 <JakeWharton> looks like our tests use common temporary dirs and thus pollute each other when running in parallel
Apr 12 04:48:41 <JakeWharton> will need to fix that as they account for 60% of our build time when run sequentially
Apr 12 04:48:50 <JakeWharton> probably more
Apr 12 05:17:08 <QubeZ> hi all
Apr 12 05:18:05 <erwt> ron_frown, HI
Apr 12 05:24:31 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: use ant parallel tasks
Apr 12 05:24:48 <JakeWharton> i shaved off 20% tonight
Apr 12 05:25:06 <JakeWharton> once i fix test pollution hopefully more
Apr 12 05:31:50 <pfn> r18 is out already?
Apr 12 05:32:01 <JakeWharton> yeah on monday
Apr 12 05:32:30 <dominicdinada> ive had trouble with r18
Apr 12 05:32:53 <pfn> huh, what's new in r18
Apr 12 05:33:11 <JakeWharton> it's just an r17 bugfix
Apr 12 05:33:38 <pfn> what was the bug, I wonder
Apr 12 05:33:50 <JakeWharton> it's on the website
Apr 12 05:33:50 <JakeWharton> s
Apr 12 05:33:55 <JakeWharton> something about .jars in libs/
Apr 12 05:35:56 <QubeZ> there's no need to call onCreate in my onUpgrade for database right?
Apr 12 05:36:22 <QubeZ> trying to figure out the logic here... i dont think its needed. New users will get onCreate and existing users will get onUpgrade where I just alter the table (adding a new column)
Apr 12 05:36:28 <ron_frown> I've had problems with 11+
Apr 12 05:39:23 <g00s> i'm confused with all of samsung's galaxies, notes, and tabs
Apr 12 05:39:34 <g00s> how many fucking things to they have to put out ?
Apr 12 05:39:58 <ron_frown> tons
Apr 12 05:40:08 <ron_frown> about 10 diff variants of the regular galaxy stuff
Apr 12 05:40:09 <QubeZ> n + 1 where n is how many we need
Apr 12 05:40:19 <ron_frown> then the nexus, the s2
Apr 12 05:40:26 <freecandy> But we need n+2!
Apr 12 05:40:37 <ron_frown> half a dozen galaxy tabs
Apr 12 05:40:39 <ron_frown> and then the note
Apr 12 05:41:34 <g00s> galaxy tab 2 7.0 - what a horrible fucking name
Apr 12 05:42:08 <g00s> oh, and then the galaxy players
Apr 12 05:42:16 <JakeWharton> we have one of those here
Apr 12 05:42:19 <ron_frown> yeah nobody gives a shit about those
Apr 12 05:42:34 <ron_frown> I need a place to chat with other people modding android roms
Apr 12 05:42:43 <ron_frown> android-root is kinda a joke
Apr 12 05:43:46 <g00s> "BlackBerry 7 rated as the most secure enterprise-ready OS by Trend Micro" … interesting
Apr 12 05:43:58 <g00s> i guess BB still has one thing going for it :)
Apr 12 05:44:21 <ron_frown> haha
Apr 12 05:44:31 <ron_frown> obscurity shouldnt be a security feature
Apr 12 05:44:51 <g00s> well, android is pretty open - and i don't see anyone saying its secure XD
Apr 12 05:44:58 <ron_frown> it could be tho
Apr 12 05:45:14 <g00s> p_l: is making super secure phones for us :D
Apr 12 05:45:22 <ron_frown> oh?
Apr 12 05:48:04 <ron_frown> I am kind of surprised android didnt go with clutter
Apr 12 05:49:41 <ron_frown> my variant of android is designed to be completely managable from management server
Apr 12 05:49:54 <ron_frown> imagine 200 android devices being ready for my every command
Apr 12 05:49:56 <ron_frown> muhahahahahahaha
Apr 12 05:50:33 <g00s> lemme guess your common names
Apr 12 05:50:38 <g00s> 'titsup'
Apr 12 05:50:41 <g00s> 'balls'
Apr 12 05:51:01 <g00s> 'oi'
Apr 12 05:51:08 <g00s> :)
Apr 12 05:51:23 <ron_frown> none of the above
Apr 12 05:51:28 <g00s> :O
Apr 12 05:51:55 <JakeWharton> haha
Apr 12 05:51:59 <JakeWharton> 'oi' was a good guess
Apr 12 05:52:12 <_Setsuna_> io
Apr 12 05:53:46 <ron_frown> I think I just need to finish these projects up so I can get back to my database =)
Apr 12 05:55:29 <ron_frown> ios
Apr 12 05:55:30 <ron_frown> boo
Apr 12 05:55:52 <ron_frown> I like that its more or less c, but the lack of boilerplate stuff really sucks
Apr 12 05:55:58 <ron_frown> and some of the ui stuff is just completely assinine
Apr 12 05:57:38 <JakeWharton> before: 5m54s   after: 3m23s
Apr 12 05:57:43 <JakeWharton> boom?
Apr 12 05:57:46 <ron_frown> ?
Apr 12 05:57:49 <JakeWharton> build times
Apr 12 05:57:50 <ron_frown> need more information
Apr 12 05:57:52 <ron_frown> for?
Apr 12 05:58:07 <JakeWharton> all of Square's android+java + full test suites
Apr 12 05:58:32 <pragma-> pft, when your build times are in the range of 90 minutes, then you can brag about optimizing it down to 10 minutes
Apr 12 05:58:49 <JakeWharton> they'll never be that high
Apr 12 05:59:03 <ron_frown> yeah i cant imagine squares android stuff being all that big
Apr 12 05:59:06 <maxagaz> how to publish apps on chinese android markets ?
Apr 12 05:59:17 <pragma-> screw the chinese
Apr 12 05:59:38 <pragma-> let their great firewall handle it
Apr 12 05:59:59 <xorgate> poor chinese
Apr 12 06:00:22 <ron_frown> I was an engineer on a massive global project
Apr 12 06:00:24 <pragma-> they put themselves in their own situation with their own rules and laws
Apr 12 06:00:28 <ron_frown> we were talking about how to scale shit out
Apr 12 06:00:34 <ron_frown> one of our datacenters was going to be in china
Apr 12 06:00:56 <ron_frown> our contact in china that was coordinating shit was saying that the internet dont work like it does here... not just because of the firewall shit either
Apr 12 06:01:04 <ron_frown> eg, if you want to have 3 major isps
Apr 12 06:01:27 <ron_frown> you'd effectively have to bring pipes in from each one to drop into your datacenter to serve all the customers =)
Apr 12 06:01:43 <ron_frown> you wouldnt just have some major backbone and let regular ass routers go to town finding best route
Apr 12 06:01:44 <pragma-> by the way, bruce lee was not a great fighter.  he was a melodramatic pop-star who was full of himself and had a great publicist
Apr 12 06:01:55 <pragma-> a great publicist who often lied and embellished
Apr 12 06:02:01 <xorgate> i guess you could take him 1 on 1
Apr 12 06:02:07 <pragma-> easily.
Apr 12 06:02:20 <xorgate> you must become the bloody pulp
Apr 12 06:02:33 <pragma-> show me any tournaments he has won
Apr 12 06:02:36 <xorgate> anyway troller be trollin
Apr 12 06:02:40 <xorgate> gonna watch daily show
Apr 12 06:02:43 <pragma-> naive idiot must be naive.
Apr 12 06:05:33 <pragma-> also, chuck norris is a religious wanker who is also a wuss who was made to appear a tough guy by cameras.
Apr 12 06:05:58 <ron_frown> and then?
Apr 12 06:05:59 <ron_frown> who cares
Apr 12 06:06:03 <readme> you ain't got shit on Tony Jaa
Apr 12 06:06:21 <pragma-> Except for fake elephants.
Apr 12 06:07:11 <pragma-> I do like Jaa's style.
Apr 12 06:07:19 <pragma-> Elbows and knees is where it's at.
Apr 12 06:07:38 <readme> yeah, pretty intense movies
Apr 12 06:07:41 <ron_frown> wtf
Apr 12 06:07:45 <ron_frown> I get off topic a lot
Apr 12 06:07:49 <ron_frown> but this is left field
Apr 12 06:08:09 <pragma-> I had the horror of having to watch a Bruce Lee movie last week.
Apr 12 06:08:15 <pragma-> It was pathetic and horrible.
Apr 12 06:08:49 <pragma-> Fortunately it wasn't the movie where Bruce Lee fought Chuck Norris -- even though my brain is already scarred by the pathetic acting and fight choreography there too.
Apr 12 06:09:05 * pragma- wanders off to watch some Pride.
Apr 12 06:11:32 <ron_frown> BEAR
Apr 12 06:12:12 <Bear10> hey
Apr 12 06:12:23 * Bear10 meows
Apr 12 06:12:29 <ron_frown> haha
Apr 12 06:12:33 <ron_frown> bears meow?
Apr 12 06:12:40 <Bear10> think i didn't sleep enough
Apr 12 06:12:42 <Bear10> lol
Apr 12 06:14:28 <stoned> Hello
Apr 12 06:15:52 <_yakubmobiledev> hello everyone
Apr 12 06:15:57 <stoned> http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/hello-world.html O am going through this. I've created the project, but the only files that exist are AndroidHelloWorld > src > com.example.androidhelloworld > AndroidHelloWorldACtivity.java but there is no AndroidHelloWorld.java file per the tutorial
Apr 12 06:16:00 <_yakubmobiledev> some one help me what is the use of webApps in android
Apr 12 06:16:16 <_yakubmobiledev> where can i use them exactly
Apr 12 06:16:31 <stoned> "Your Android project is now ready. It should be visible in the Package Explorer on the left. Open the HelloAndroid.java file, located inside HelloAndroid > src > com.example.helloandroid). It should look like this:"
Apr 12 06:16:52 <stoned> http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3876/screenshot2012041201163.png <- this is all I have
Apr 12 06:16:55 <stoned> Please advise
Apr 12 06:17:23 <drlaban> _yakubmobiledev: Have you read the "Web Apps Overview" over at developer.android.com?
Apr 12 06:17:59 <stoned> Have I generated the project properly?
Apr 12 06:19:06 <stoned> This is the name for the class stub that is generated by the plugin. This is a subclass of Android's Activity class. An Activity is simply a class that can run and do work
Apr 12 06:19:08 <_yakubmobiledev> drlaban; yeah i have read but i dont understand in clear
Apr 12 06:19:24 <stoned> The project that ws generated has a diffrent filename, however it still extends and subclasses from Activity
Apr 12 06:19:36 <drlaban> _yakubmobiledev: Do you know what a Web App is?
Apr 12 06:19:57 <stoned> public class AndroidHelloWorldActivity extends Activity <- inside AndroidHelloWorldActivity.java file
Apr 12 06:20:07 <stoned> This is ok? Sorry for noob question
Apr 12 06:20:36 <_yakubmobiledev> drlaban:using a html content in the application with the help of a web view
Apr 12 06:20:52 <_yakubmobiledev> isn't it?
Apr 12 06:20:58 <drlaban> stoned: You're supposed to double click the AndroidHelloWorldActivity.java
Apr 12 06:21:05 <stoned> I am aware
Apr 12 06:21:10 <stoned> Just wanted to make sure this was ok
Apr 12 06:21:18 <stoned> Your Android project is now ready. It should be visible in the Package Explorer on the left. Open the HelloAndroid.java file, located inside HelloAndroid > src > com.example.helloandroid). It should look like this:
Apr 12 06:21:39 <Snuffel> but you're stoned
Apr 12 06:21:40 <stoned> The tutorial explicitly states that the filename for the generate source class is without the Activity suffi
Apr 12 06:21:42 <stoned> suffix*
Apr 12 06:22:04 <stoned> I just wanted to verify I did it correctly, b/c the generated filename is including the sublcass name
Apr 12 06:22:44 <stoned> http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5422/screenshot2012041201221.png <- please verify that the generated project structure looks ok.
Apr 12 06:24:40 <drlaban> stoned: The suffix is there because you named your activity that when creating the project. In the wizard there's a field 'Create Activity:' where you give it a name. You probably kept the defaults.
Apr 12 06:24:51 <stoned> Ah
Apr 12 06:26:46 <drlaban> _yakubmobiledev: I wouldn't say that a Web App is only for showing html content in an Android application through a web view, no. Google Calendar, for instance, is a web app.
Apr 12 06:27:35 <_yakubmobiledev> drlaban: do u mean its like a wap site...?
Apr 12 06:28:47 <drlaban> _yakubmobiledev: Perhaps a more solid definition would light things up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application
Apr 12 06:29:58 <stoned> Android simulator takes a while to boot up
Apr 12 06:30:05 <drlaban> stoned: It does
Apr 12 06:30:09 <stoned> I gave it 1gb ram in the AVD
Apr 12 06:30:15 <stoned> Don't ask
Apr 12 06:30:15 <drlaban> stoned: So just let it
Apr 12 06:30:27 <stoned> here goes my app
Apr 12 06:30:29 <stoned> Yay!
Apr 12 06:30:33 <stoned> It said hello to me!
Apr 12 06:30:37 <stoned> ya ya yayay
Apr 12 06:30:56 <stoned> http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3068/5554android403avd201204.png
Apr 12 06:31:39 <pragma-> Did you guys know that ron_frown is in #iphonedev?
Apr 12 06:31:48 <_yakubmobiledev> drlaban: thanks for that but my question is where we use them exatly ..nad why we use them in them in the applciation when we can use them in the browser
Apr 12 06:31:49 <_yakubmobiledev> ?
Apr 12 06:32:06 * pragma- wishes to report a spy and/or traitor.
Apr 12 06:32:23 <stoned> pragma-: I am in there too
Apr 12 06:32:30 <stoned> is this a problem?
Apr 12 06:32:47 * pragma- unleashes a blood-curdling scream and dives under the bed.
Apr 12 06:32:49 <ron_frown> stoned - do you happen to be stoned from #cars?
Apr 12 06:33:07 <stoned> there is #cars on freenode?
Apr 12 06:33:15 <ron_frown> ef
Apr 12 06:33:17 <stoned> *shaking head*
Apr 12 06:33:35 <root66> I have to say, efnet and freenode both have some really weirdly-specific channels
Apr 12 06:33:36 <pragma-> efnet is for children
Apr 12 06:33:40 <root66> not that #cars is weirdly-specific
Apr 12 06:33:45 <root66> I just wouldn't expect mechanics to find irc
Apr 12 06:33:49 <stoned> Since when are cars open source projects that are peer directed etc. whatever freenode stands for
Apr 12 06:34:03 <ron_frown> efnet
Apr 12 06:34:09 <stoned> I don't go to efnet
Apr 12 06:34:12 <drlaban> _yakubmobiledev: Let's say you don't want/can create an Android app for Android (ie. you don't have the tools for it), one way of getting the app to the platform would be through the Android browser.
Apr 12 06:34:13 <ron_frown> root66- not mechanics
Apr 12 06:34:18 <ron_frown> bunch of stoners, and myself
Apr 12 06:34:21 <ron_frown> car enthusiasts
Apr 12 06:34:26 <stoned> Sometimes I do, but I limit myself to #iphone
Apr 12 06:34:32 <pragma-> ron_frown goes to efnet because every now and then he needs to refresh himself by being surrounded with people as dumb as he is
Apr 12 06:34:34 <root66> oh, so basically people who own "tokyo drift" on dvd
Apr 12 06:34:46 <ron_frown> pragma- I dont hang out in #php on efnet anymore =)
Apr 12 06:34:51 <stoned> ha
Apr 12 06:34:54 <stoned> 'anymore'
Apr 12 06:34:56 <root66> all the dev channels on efnet are run by assholes
Apr 12 06:34:58 <stoned> self burn.
Apr 12 06:34:59 <stoned> ;)
Apr 12 06:35:16 <ron_frown> stoned - I use to be an op up in #php for like 10+ years
Apr 12 06:35:21 <root66> case in point
Apr 12 06:35:25 <stoned> I was just about to say that
Apr 12 06:35:25 <root66> just kidding ron
Apr 12 06:35:27 <ron_frown> but php has become a pile
Apr 12 06:35:29 <_yakubmobiledev> drlaban:ha ha got it now,.. thanks drlaban
Apr 12 06:35:45 <stoned> people merely seek this social viagra otherwise known as @ on IRC
Apr 12 06:36:00 <ron_frown> I think its a valuable resource
Apr 12 06:36:02 <stoned> My pee pee works just fine mate. I don't care for @
Apr 12 06:36:10 <pragma-> dumb people use 'merely' to try to sound smart
Apr 12 06:36:59 <root66> on efnet, for example, if you ask an html5 canvas issue that in some way involves javascript, they run you out on a rail of insults that you are in the wrong channel
Apr 12 06:37:10 <stoned> if you're going to troll, learn to do it w/o failing.
Apr 12 06:37:13 <pragma-> ron_frown: html5 canvas issues are off-topic here
Apr 12 06:37:17 <pragma-> root66: wrong hcannel
Apr 12 06:37:37 <root66> :(
Apr 12 06:37:38 <pragma-> android has no html5 canvas
Apr 12 06:37:42 <pragma-> try elsewhere
Apr 12 06:37:54 <ron_frown> pragma- sure it does
Apr 12 06:37:55 <pragma-> maybe on efnot
Apr 12 06:38:10 <pragma-> ron_frown: not while i'm making a retort it doesn't
Apr 12 06:38:20 <root66> *snap*
Apr 12 06:39:03 <root66> http://hookerbots.com/drawing/ <-- is it android related if I am ripping off Draw Something? :D
Apr 12 06:41:07 <stoned> Anybody heard of or use PhoneGap for Android dev?
Apr 12 06:41:17 <readme> I put some thoughtful and helpful instructions in my app, that my users will never read
Apr 12 06:41:32 <stoned> I like your nickname
Apr 12 06:41:39 <readme> thanks
Apr 12 06:41:58 <pragma-> if users can't figure out what to do by the UI, you have failed
Apr 12 06:42:14 <root66> which is why I rarely implement the menu button
Apr 12 06:42:14 <readme> pragma-: the app's ui consists of one button
Apr 12 06:42:20 <Mikellip> Are you talking about ALL users? ...lol
Apr 12 06:42:57 <readme> its one of those apps that does the work for you, without much foreground interaction.
Apr 12 06:43:25 <pragma-> speaking of which, I have to implement some sort of pop-up with an arrow that appears for a few seconds the first time someone starts an activity
Apr 12 06:43:42 <pragma-> that points to a button that lets users know they can press it or long press it
Apr 12 06:43:45 * pragma- nods.
Apr 12 06:43:48 <readme> haha
Apr 12 06:43:57 <readme> an arrow is a great idea
Apr 12 06:44:03 <readme> I might put one in my instructions
Apr 12 06:44:16 <ron_frown> thats easy
Apr 12 06:45:03 <Mikellip> An UI should be a mystery, with longpress-surprises
Apr 12 06:45:54 <Ge0rG> and invisible buttons!
Apr 12 06:45:58 <freecandy> Screw that, it should have rewards for holding the button for over 36 hours.
Apr 12 06:46:13 * pragma- writes an OnDoubleClickListener interface for his buttons
Apr 12 06:46:25 <pragma-> they'll never figure it out!
Apr 12 06:46:58 <pragma-> "Achievement unlocked!"
Apr 12 06:47:11 <pragma-> yes, I need to add achievements to my simple non-game tool app
Apr 12 06:47:51 <pragma-> for my to-do list app, I need to add achievements for adding tasks, completing tasks, etc
Apr 12 06:47:54 <vadi2> pragma-: were you the one using messenger?
Apr 12 06:47:56 <readme> use proximity sensor to sense finger coming towards screen, move ad underneath at last second.
Apr 12 06:47:59 <pragma-> vadi2: wat
Apr 12 06:48:11 <vadi2> okay
Apr 12 06:48:29 * pragma- is The One.
Apr 12 06:48:58 <stoned> Incarceration of personality is the sad inception of self denial.
Apr 12 06:49:00 <stoned> :/
Apr 12 06:49:15 <stoned> The One.
Apr 12 06:49:39 <stoned> The one that denies the inner self, flees into deception...
Apr 12 06:49:44 <pragma-> What does self-denial have to do with dreams within dreams?
Apr 12 06:50:12 <stoned> There can be no dreams within dreams. Such silly yet poetic and feeble human concepts are ... useless.
Apr 12 06:50:23 <stoned> And rather untrue without any scientific backing.
Apr 12 06:51:16 <pragma-> Science is just an euphemism for humans bumbling and stumbling over unexpected "discoveries".
Apr 12 06:51:41 <readme>  /join #android-hipster
Apr 12 06:51:50 <stoned> There is nothing else but science, at the end of the day. What else have you? Blind faith? :)
Apr 12 06:51:51 <pragma-> Bread goes in the toaster, comes back up browned -- you can't explain that!
Apr 12 06:52:12 <stoned> Hey, if you sit on a tack, you bleed from the ass. Laws of nature you cant' argue with.
Apr 12 06:52:22 <pragma-> There's more than one way to bleed from the ass.
Apr 12 06:52:33 <stoned> If you have not gotten to where you're going, you're not there yet.
Apr 12 06:52:41 <pragma-> Where do you want to go today?
Apr 12 06:52:54 <stoned> There's an old adage that goes something like this: When you get to where you're going, you're there.
Apr 12 06:53:03 <pragma-> Whereever you are, there you are!
Apr 12 06:53:14 <stoned> Exacto mundo
Apr 12 06:53:31 <pragma-> I'm glad we had this talk.
Apr 12 06:53:52 <stoned> I as well
Apr 12 06:54:38 <stoned> Ah, now I see this is nice. Creating UI via XML
Apr 12 06:54:56 <stoned> I was hoping that I wouldn't have to hardcore UI controls in Java
Apr 12 06:55:14 <pragma-> I hardcore my UI all the time.
Apr 12 06:55:14 <stoned> (per the hello world textview control
Apr 12 06:55:22 <stoned> may I ask why?
Apr 12 06:55:26 <stoned> And if I may, why?
Apr 12 06:55:28 <pragma-> Because I'm hardcore.
Apr 12 06:55:39 <tobib> mani just have to encrypt something between java and python... but not sure how to get the same IV :/
Apr 12 06:55:41 <stoned> Can I ask a question?
Apr 12 06:55:56 <stoned> "You just did."
Apr 12 06:56:01 <stoned> Hunh.
Apr 12 06:56:08 <stoned> Well in that case, can I ask a question after this one?
Apr 12 06:56:13 <stoned> "Sure."
Apr 12 06:56:17 <Snuffel> what are you, 5?
Apr 12 06:56:23 <pragma-> No, you
Apr 12 06:56:30 <pragma-> Poopyfac3
Apr 12 06:57:27 <stoned> I am a quarter of a tench of a millenium added 12 divided by 4 added 3
Apr 12 06:57:29 <stoned> :/
Apr 12 06:57:34 <stoned> tenth*
Apr 12 06:57:57 <stoned> Just a month ago I celebrated my latest birthday.
Apr 12 06:58:02 <stoned> !
Apr 12 06:58:07 <pragma-> You only have one birthday.
Apr 12 06:58:19 <stoned> No. i'm reborn every year
Apr 12 06:58:26 <ron_frown> can you guys take this elsewhere
Apr 12 06:58:37 <pragma-> where?  #csharp?
Apr 12 07:00:14 <readme> ron_frown: you say that like it's not the same guy talking on both nicks :)
Apr 12 07:00:29 <stoned> Ha
Apr 12 07:00:31 <pragma-> Ha
Apr 12 07:00:33 <stoned> Now what was funny
Apr 12 07:00:37 <pragma-> Now what was funny
Apr 12 07:00:54 <ron_frown> ?
Apr 12 07:01:02 <stoned> He is copying me
Apr 12 07:01:05 <pragma-> Liar
Apr 12 07:01:14 <pragma-> You copied me before I said it
Apr 12 07:01:27 <stoned> *shakes head*
Apr 12 07:01:36 <stoned> Are we done?
Apr 12 07:01:52 <pragma-> Nope, we still need to be flipped
Apr 12 07:02:21 <stoned> So is there any gui genrator designer?
Apr 12 07:02:28 <stoned> or must one do this by hand in java or xml?
Apr 12 07:02:35 <pragma-> You could use Visual Basic
Apr 12 07:02:44 <stoned> c'mon be serious
Apr 12 07:02:49 <pragma-> Why so serious?
Apr 12 07:02:54 <stoned> c'mon be a dude
Apr 12 07:02:59 <pragma-> Dude looks like a lady
Apr 12 07:02:59 <stoned> don't be a douche
Apr 12 07:03:03 <stoned> No man
Apr 12 07:03:04 <stoned> The Dude
Apr 12 07:03:14 <stoned> His dudeness... be the cool dude.
Apr 12 07:03:18 * pragma- abides.
Apr 12 07:03:27 <stoned> so any interface designer?
Apr 12 07:03:37 <pragma-> Designer interfaces are overpriced.
Apr 12 07:03:43 <stoned> omg
Apr 12 07:03:46 <stoned> c'mon man
Apr 12 07:03:50 <stoned> for real
Apr 12 07:04:14 <deebo> carriage return isn't punctuation
Apr 12 07:04:36 <dominicdinada> lol
Apr 12 07:04:39 <stoned> it can be.
Apr 12 07:06:54 <stoned> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeKcR84bCt8 oh it's in ADT
Apr 12 07:06:58 <stoned> interesting
Apr 12 07:08:28 <stoned> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq05KqjXTvs
Apr 12 07:08:45 <stoned> that's pretty cool
Apr 12 07:11:53 <stoned> android bootcamp series
Apr 12 07:11:54 <stoned> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RHtKIo_KDI
Apr 12 07:12:02 <stoned> 2012.. cool
Apr 12 07:26:55 <JakeWharton> my build is failing when IntelliJ is open
Apr 12 07:27:00 <JakeWharton> if you close it, build runs fine
Apr 12 07:29:04 <ron_frown> gen/bin folder?
Apr 12 07:29:29 <JakeWharton> yeah
Apr 12 07:29:33 <JakeWharton> i think R.java problems
Apr 12 07:29:33 <JakeWharton> t
Apr 12 07:29:34 <JakeWharton> h
Apr 12 07:29:37 <JakeWharton> ...
Apr 12 07:29:40 <JakeWharton> stupid Colloqueueuey
Apr 12 07:29:48 <JakeWharton> they're both trying to generate it or something
Apr 12 07:32:12 <Chainfire> JakeWharton> have you considered doing something like HoloEverywhere with ActionBarSherlock?
Apr 12 07:32:44 <JakeWharton> Chainfire: see https://plus.google.com/108284392618554783657/posts/VP8UqDPVjLs
Apr 12 07:32:50 <JakeWharton> in short: never
Apr 12 07:33:50 <Chainfire> Fair enough. I actually have an article stating much the same thing myself, but a lot of users keep asking me to make my apps holo instead of default :/
Apr 12 07:33:54 <Chainfire> Thanks anyway :)
Apr 12 07:34:02 <JakeWharton> I don't think backporting pure Holo is smart. However, basing your styles on Holo is perfectly fine (and I encourage it)
Apr 12 07:35:12 <JakeWharton> The design guidelines are brilliant and Holo is beautiful. I just don't think pure default Holo on Android 2.1 is logical. When we want any kind of styles for any of our apps though we go right to the Holo assets and customize them a bit.
Apr 12 07:36:25 <Chainfire> What's your opinion on Holo vs DeviceDefault on ICS ? For consistency with other apps, I guess DeviceDefault should be used, but Holo usually looks a lot nicer
Apr 12 07:36:49 <Ge0rG> mew. style the actionbar. I like the black/blue default look...
Apr 12 07:37:01 <JakeWharton> I haven't really seen a device that provided a custom UI yet so I'm not sure
Apr 12 07:37:07 <JakeWharton> It's a tough call
Apr 12 07:37:25 <JakeWharton> Both the idea of a consistent look AND the idea of blending in with the device's theme both appeal to me
Apr 12 07:37:38 <Chainfire> have you ever used a SGS1, SGS2 or SGNote ?
Apr 12 07:37:47 <JakeWharton> Yes
Apr 12 07:37:50 <Chainfire> they ported that 2.x UI look directly to ICS
Apr 12 07:38:03 <Chainfire> ICS versions of these devices look pretty much exactly the same as GB
Apr 12 07:38:07 <Chainfire> if using DeviceDefault
Apr 12 07:38:18 <JakeWharton> Now I'd say that is a travesty
Apr 12 07:38:33 <JakeWharton> ABS uses Holo, I don't provide a DeviceDefault option (though I probably should)
Apr 12 07:39:50 <Chainfire> I know you don't, but its still possible to do
Apr 12 07:39:54 <Chainfire> because I've done it
Apr 12 07:39:57 <Nighthawk> custom roms ftw
Apr 12 07:40:04 <Chainfire> and since thrown it away because it looked like crap, and stuck to Holo
Apr 12 07:40:08 <JakeWharton> haha
Apr 12 07:40:10 <JakeWharton> that's such a shame
Apr 12 07:40:25 <ron_frown> moto will fuck it up
Apr 12 07:40:29 <ron_frown> they fuck with every device
Apr 12 07:40:31 <Chainfire> my original opinion was indeed to always use DeviceDefault because of end-user consistency, but the ICS builds for SGS2/SGNote really put me off of it
Apr 12 07:40:37 <ron_frown> crapping on the themes
Apr 12 07:41:01 <Nighthawk> stock ui is best =3
Apr 12 07:41:15 <JakeWharton> We stick to stock here so I haven't been able to see what it's like. I'll be interested to play with it once officially released
Apr 12 07:41:40 <ron_frown> I actually kinda lke the galaxy tab 2 ics status bar
Apr 12 07:41:48 <Chainfire> The Dutch version was officially released earlier this morning, btw
Apr 12 07:41:51 <Chainfire> so it'll probably be soon
Apr 12 07:41:55 <Nighthawk> http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=21274
Apr 12 07:41:56 <Chainfire> (for SGS2)
Apr 12 07:42:10 <JakeWharton> I'm actually not sure if we have a SGS2
Apr 12 07:42:14 <Chainfire> anyways, back to work. Thanks for your work, Jake!
Apr 12 07:43:03 <hairlessmangina> samsung actually makes attractive looking UI
Apr 12 07:43:32 <Nighthawk> i think touchwiz is awful
Apr 12 07:43:44 <hairlessmangina> i am talking about appearance
Apr 12 07:44:11 <ron_frown> http://cdn.technostarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/samsung-galaxy-tab2.jpg
Apr 12 07:44:17 <ron_frown> its subtle stuff in ics
Apr 12 07:44:22 <ron_frown> and I like it
Apr 12 07:45:58 <Nighthawk> hairlessmangina: yea touchwiz looks awful too =3
Apr 12 07:51:35 <krang> Hey all. Super basic question here, but if I call myMethod(someArray);  Will the array be copied? Specifically, I want to pass a huge array representing an image, so I want to make sure it copies by reference!
Apr 12 07:55:55 <mitch0> it won't get copied just by the call. what happens inside myMethod is another question
Apr 12 07:56:33 <mvno_subscriber> hi, i'm trying to use Activity.runOnUiThread(..), but since it's not a static method I need an instance.. But where do I find one? I've seen some talking about Main.this but I don't have a Main class. Any help would be greatly appreciated! note: i'm used to java but noob with android
Apr 12 07:58:44 <krang> mitch0: Thanks. I know nonprimitives are passed by reference, i just thought there was a possible special rule for arrays :)
Apr 12 07:59:50 <mitch0> actually, everything is passed by value
Apr 12 08:00:11 <mitch0> what you have there though is an array reference, which in turn is passed by value
Apr 12 08:00:33 <mitch0> </nitpick>
Apr 12 08:01:11 <Jak_o_Shadows> mitch0: If i'm understanding that right, you pass a value that corresponds to a location in RAM of the array. Or something like that.
Apr 12 08:02:01 <krang> mitch0: nitoicking is healthy for programmers. Thanks for keeping my sloppy language in check :)
Apr 12 08:02:12 <krang> s/nitoiking/nitpicking
Apr 12 08:03:02 <mitch0> jak: something like that
Apr 12 08:03:34 <krang> mvno_subscriber: You should have an Activity if you have an app. How is it running without one?
Apr 12 08:08:33 <mvno_subscriber> krang: i found one activity, but when trying to use MyActivity.this i get an error telling me "no enclosing instance of type xx accessible in scope". fair enough, because i'm in a separate class not connected to the ui. but i need to call notifyDataSetChanged() and can't do so from a separate thread.. so what do i do?
Apr 12 08:12:54 <drlaban> mvno_subscriber: Not sure if I'm on the right track here, but couldn't you create an AsyncTask as an inner class in your Activity and have that do the grunt work? When it's done it'll call notifyDataSetChanged.
Apr 12 08:13:35 <krang> mvno_subscriber: I'm not entirely clear on what's happening, but it sounds like you just need to put your call to notifyDataSetChanged() into a runnable and pass it to yourActivity.runOnUiThread()
Apr 12 08:13:54 <krang> Have a look at this SO link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3669325/notifydatasetchanged-example
Apr 12 08:16:21 <krang> mvno_subscriber: You do have a reference to an instance of your Activity, yes? I don't use 'this' unless I have to. If you're doing something in a class which isn't an Activity and you need to call an Activity's method (which is very common) then modify your class to hold a ref to an Activity.
Apr 12 08:16:59 <krang> I end up throwing them into lots of classes.
Apr 12 08:17:34 <mvno_subscriber> krang: no i don't. maybe it's an idea to pass it, good point :)
Apr 12 08:17:58 <krang> Normally, I have a constructor that requires an Activity or Context to be passed in. It ends up being needed so often that i just do it by default now.
Apr 12 08:18:54 <krang> That way you never get caught without one :)
Apr 12 08:18:54 <pragma-> genius programmer here.
Apr 12 08:19:20 <pragma-> that's why your crappy app is 1.4MB instead of 200K
Apr 12 08:19:36 <krang> 150, actually :)
Apr 12 08:20:13 <mvno_subscriber> krang: does it matter that my class is running as a service?
Apr 12 08:21:04 <Ge0rG> mvno_subscriber: you can get the content provider from the service context as well
Apr 12 08:22:46 <mvno_subscriber> Ge0rG: how?
Apr 12 08:24:21 <Ge0rG> servicecontext.getContentResolver()
Apr 12 08:25:37 <krang> mvno_subscriber: I'm not sure if it matters. As long as the call gets made, i don't see why it would.
Apr 12 08:26:04 <mvno_subscriber> Ge0rG: hm i don't have that variable.. sorry if i'm asking silly question, i'm pretty new at this
Apr 12 08:26:47 <mvno_subscriber> krang: ok, guess i'll try passing an activity the way you do it. maybe it's not so clean structure-wise, but i've inherited this weird app and want to break as few things as possible :)
Apr 12 08:27:24 <krang> mvno_subscriber: Just to confirm, you do *have* a UI, right?
Apr 12 08:28:49 <krang> mvno_subscriber: I think Ge0rG meant just call getContentResolver(), since a Service is a Context.
Apr 12 08:30:20 <mvno_subscriber> krang: i don't have that method (the class extends Service). I'm on Android 2.3.3+ by the way, guess I should have mentioned that. Yes, I have a UI - but i'm not very competent on android ui stuff
Apr 12 08:32:21 <krang> mvno_subscriber: The Service class has a getContentResolver() method.
Apr 12 08:32:31 <mvno_subscriber> krang: i found my getContentResolver().. i tried typing this.getContentResolver() but it seems i must only write getContentResolver() without the "this"..
Apr 12 08:33:26 <maxagaz> when my app switch layout from vertical to horizontal, on function is called ?
Apr 12 08:33:33 <maxagaz> what function is called ?
Apr 12 08:34:22 <Snuffel> onCreate
Apr 12 08:37:04 <krang> pragma-: Wait a sec, how *do* you get an app to 1.5MB by writing bad code? Hardcoding bitmap binary data into your source? I've never seen anything that big that wasn't the fault of resources.
Apr 12 08:37:34 <krang> maxagaz: Yeah, the Activity gets restarted.
Apr 12 08:37:38 <maxagaz> Snuffel: thanks!
Apr 12 08:37:57 <storkme> how do you make a 200K apk o.O
Apr 12 08:40:34 <maxagaz> what type of variable should I recycle ? bitmaps only ? image view as well ?
Apr 12 08:41:28 <krang> storkme: Use few and very small resources :)
Apr 12 08:43:30 <krang> storkme: I have a 35K one I made once.
Apr 12 08:43:45 <storkme> not sure that should be desirable
Apr 12 08:44:37 <krang> It was an ugly weekend project. I'm not an obsessive optimiser :)
Apr 12 08:46:21 <mvno_subscriber> krang: i'm a bit stuck here.. getContentResolver(..) doesn't help me because i don't have the url etc to notify. And i can't seem to squeeze in an activity in my service class as it's created using an intent, so i don't know how to access it before it's started. again sorry if this is a silly question :(
Apr 12 08:47:42 <krang> mvno_subscriber: Well, if you don't have an Activity, you don't have a UI. Why, then, are you trying to run anything on the UI thread, which doesn't exist?
Apr 12 08:50:01 <krang> mvno_subscriber: if you have some code that runs regardless of there being an active Activity or not, but you still want to call notifyDataSetChanged() on the UI thread when there is one, just surround it with an if(mUiActivity != null) {} block
Apr 12 08:50:34 <mvno_subscriber> krang: originally, this service was run in the ui. but as a result, it froze a lot. it uses a BaseAdapter to call notifyDataSetChanged(), so when i try to make it a separate thread it crashes. that's how this whole soup started
Apr 12 08:52:02 <Mikellip> If it's only to avoid running heavy stuff on the UI you can solve it with ASyncTask
Apr 12 08:52:27 <Mikellip> May be easier for you
Apr 12 08:52:37 <havchr> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10009265/rendering-android-webview-to-bitmap-html5-javascript-callback-issue
Apr 12 08:54:40 <mvno_subscriber> mikellip: apparently asynctask has some bugs when making network requests. at least that's what the original coder told me, so he did it "differently" instead..
Apr 12 08:54:44 <UnbertKant> Hello!
Apr 12 08:54:45 <krang> mvno_subscriber: Well, notifyDataSetChanged() only needs to be called to update the UI, so from where you are, I'd check if you have a UI Activity, and if you do, then call runOnUiThread() on it with your runnable that calls notifyDatasetChanged().
Apr 12 08:56:12 <pragma-> christ, why is PackageManager's loadLabel so fucking slow
Apr 12 08:56:41 <krang> Probably because of people idly passing unneccessary references :)
Apr 12 08:57:37 <pragma-> getApplicationLabel(), I mean
Apr 12 08:57:40 <pragma-> fucking insanely slow
Apr 12 08:57:53 <pragma-> takes 5x longer than getApplicationIcon()
Apr 12 08:58:06 <UnbertKant> I have a vertical horizontal layout and an image view. I want to scale the image to fill the width of the screen and the height to be such that the aspect ratio of the image is preserved. How to do that?
Apr 12 08:59:27 <pragma-> Even in a background thread it still slows the whole fucking device down.
Apr 12 09:00:42 <EvOoX-> Hi people
Apr 12 09:00:56 <UnbertKant> Hi person!
Apr 12 09:01:05 <EvOoX-> :)
Apr 12 09:01:25 <EvOoX-> I am looking for examples on AdminDeviceReceiver implementation
Apr 12 09:01:37 <EvOoX-> the rights make me hard
Apr 12 09:02:10 <EvOoX-> :o
Apr 12 09:02:37 <hackkitten> :o
Apr 12 09:02:46 <UnbertKant> Receiving the Admin Device make you hard? Is that an euphemism?
Apr 12 09:04:13 <readme> nah, its a hyperbole
Apr 12 09:04:30 <pragma-> Getting me hard makes me hard, man.
Apr 12 09:06:05 <EvOoX-> haha
Apr 12 09:06:07 <EvOoX-> yes
Apr 12 09:06:20 <EvOoX-> it makes me very hot as well :)
Apr 12 09:07:50 <EvOoX-> any idea guys ?
Apr 12 09:14:53 <pragma-> Oh, I was calling getInstalledApplications(0) every time I did getApplicationLabel()
Apr 12 09:15:01 * pragma- cached getInstalledApps and now its faster
Apr 12 09:15:15 * pragma- blames getApplicationLabel() for not taking an ApplicationInfo object
Apr 12 09:15:46 <pragma-> getAppIcon takes an AppInfo, but not getAppLabel
Apr 12 09:15:56 <pragma-> typical inconsistent google interns
Apr 12 09:30:05 <jiduvah> can you hash an empty string?
Apr 12 09:32:52 <havchr> anyone know a agrument to tool/android or similar, to find out which version I'm on of the tools? this is my build server, so it's command line only
Apr 12 09:33:47 <vadi2> My textview won't scroll horizontally unless there is auto-linked text in it. So weird.
Apr 12 09:38:02 <pragma->  < jiduvah> can you hash an empty string?
Apr 12 09:38:19 <pragma-> oops, I meant to paste that to another channel so we could all laugh at him
Apr 12 09:38:25 <jiduvah> cheers
Apr 12 09:38:33 <harshpb> hi, I just compiled android from source
Apr 12 09:38:40 <harshpb> now how do I run it ?
Apr 12 09:39:03 <pragma-> harshpb: type 'android.exe'
Apr 12 09:39:26 <jiduvah> pragma: maybe you can help then
Apr 12 09:40:01 <jiduvah> I am trying to implement oath 2.0. and I am trying to figure out I should pass in the authorisation header http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-http-mac-00.pdf
Apr 12 09:40:05 <jiduvah> 3.2
Apr 12 09:40:07 <harshpb> pragma-, .exe ?? I though it will be 'emulator' or 'android' but there is no such executable created ..
Apr 12 09:40:34 <pragma-> harshpb: if you got as far as to compile it from scratch, you can certainly figure out the rest of the steps
Apr 12 09:41:15 <maxagaz> how to remove and recycle an image set with this: ImageView catMood = (ImageView) v.findViewById(R.id.cat_mood) ?
Apr 12 09:41:32 <jiduvah> this is what is saying my the docs I am working from "We do require the bodyhash attribute for all requests. If the body of the request is empty, e.g. in the case of a GET request, calculate the bodyhash of the empty string"
Apr 12 09:41:36 <harshpb> pragma-, :)
Apr 12 09:41:54 <pragma-> maxagaz: define both 'remove' and 'recycle'
Apr 12 09:42:33 <pragma-> otherwise you appear to be babbling and very confused
Apr 12 09:43:44 <jiduvah> pragma-: thanks a lot
Apr 12 09:43:49 <pragma-> glad to help
Apr 12 09:43:51 <Mikellip> harshpb: this is a channel for developing on android, more programming related stuff that is
Apr 12 09:44:16 <appel1> jiduvah: just pick an implementation of the hash algorithm that handles empty strings (I would assume any decent one would)
Apr 12 09:44:57 <harshpb> Mikellip, is there a separate channel for developing android (kernel) ?
Apr 12 09:45:08 <jiduvah> appel1: I am using Mac.getInstance("HmacSHA256");
Apr 12 09:45:52 <appel1> jiduvah: so what is your problem?
Apr 12 09:45:56 <maxagaz> pragma-: for example, I have bitmaps stored in Map<String, Bitmap>, I can remove it properly with: Bitmap tmp = chartsBitmaps.get(key); tmp.recycle(); so now, I'd like to do it with other bitmaps set from resource images.
Apr 12 09:46:02 <jiduvah> its returning null
Apr 12 09:47:07 <vadi2> Hm... when I update a Spinners ArrayAdapter, it does not lose it's scroll position. When I update ListViews, it does, and resets back to the top...
Apr 12 09:48:12 <jiduvah> appel1: any ideas where I am going wrong?
Apr 12 09:48:14 <appel1> jiduvah: getInstance or doFinal?
Apr 12 09:48:50 <jiduvah> I have been using getInstance
Apr 12 09:49:14 <appel1> jiduvah: so it is Mac.getInstance that returns null?
Apr 12 09:49:31 <jiduvah> hang on I will paste my code
Apr 12 09:50:27 <jiduvah> when I pass the empty string and the key, get a byte array using the mac then convert to a string using base64
Apr 12 09:50:32 <jiduvah> it returns null
Apr 12 09:51:25 <jiduvah> man I feel so nervous about writing now with pragma taking the piss
Apr 12 09:51:29 <jiduvah> obviously I am new to this
Apr 12 09:52:32 <appel1> jiduvah: so you actually get a byte array from doFinal but then when you want to create a base64 string from that whatever method you use for that returns null?
Apr 12 09:52:55 <harshpb> pragma-, http://source.android.com/source/building.html says 'emulator' is added to path by default, however it doesnt works for me, any idea, what I could be missing ?
Apr 12 09:53:24 <jiduvah> appel1: ah yeah sorry.
Apr 12 09:53:26 <vadi2> I am updating my adapter by clearing and re-adding though, I wonder if that has anything to do with it
Apr 12 09:53:41 <appel1> jiduvah: so how do you create the base64 string?
Apr 12 09:53:42 <jiduvah> http://pastebin.com/XZhz4iJt
Apr 12 09:54:59 <jiduvah> http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-http-mac-00.pdf I am having problems with both 3.2 and 3.3 on this spec
Apr 12 09:56:51 <tobib> lol oh man, how hard is it to AES crypt something between android and python Oo
Apr 12 09:58:18 <appel1> jiduvah: strange, looking at the source code Base64.encodeToString can't return null. Are you sure that is what happens?
Apr 12 09:59:03 <jiduvah> if was only checking the header I was sending actually which showed null, let me investigate further
Apr 12 09:59:03 <harshpb> pragma-, ok, i got it, need to install sdk for emulator, thanks.
Apr 12 09:59:58 <pragma-> glad to help
Apr 12 10:00:05 * pragma- very helpful tonight.
Apr 12 10:02:23 <harshpb> pragma-, i think the wiki link above needs to be updated, one who directly visits that page gets confused about where the emulator is coming from ..
Apr 12 10:12:39 <jiduvah> appel1: so strange as soon as I pass the string back to the calling method it is null
Apr 12 10:12:58 <jiduvah> if I log from within the hashing method it as a value
Apr 12 10:18:43 <jiduvah> nah its not
Apr 12 10:24:28 <jiduvah> appel1: ok so the problem is that I can hash it and get it as a byte array however I am unable to ecodeToString as it throws and error
Apr 12 10:29:03 <Rrjois> hi, i have implemented a mediaplayer to stream my audio. I have also implemented a mediacontroller. But mediaController.show()is not working. isShowing() always returns false. Here is my code http://pastebin.com/qqxd61Tc
Apr 12 10:29:12 <Rrjois> Please help
Apr 12 10:37:15 <pigeon> does anyone happen to know where in the android code is responsible for flashing the red led when the battery is low?
Apr 12 10:39:00 <`z> it's in flashing_penguin.h
Apr 12 10:42:15 <pigeon> hmm, i tried disabling the code in BatteryService.java that sends the ACTION_BATTERY_LOW intent, but it's still turning on the red led somehow
Apr 12 10:42:29 <pigeon> also disabled the shutdownIfNoPower function there
Apr 12 10:58:43 <xertoz> any way to test specific device environments without buying the physical phone? (other than setting properties of the emulator)
Apr 12 11:11:32 <n20> Should I keep my AsyncTasks inline if they're only to be used in a specific Activity?
Apr 12 11:15:39 <n20> Anyone? :)
Apr 12 11:15:57 <Ivru> n20: yeah use an inner class
Apr 12 11:19:09 <gaz`> everytime i build now i get -> Internal Error (classFileParser.cpp:3494), pid=4996, tid=1260#  Error: ShouldNotReachHere()
Apr 12 11:19:52 <gaz`> if i right click and run as android app its fine, id liek to add a short cut to this but android is theo nly one without one in my eclipse - any ideas
Apr 12 11:23:58 <appel1> jiduvah: what does the error say?
Apr 12 11:24:40 <jiduvah> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: key.length == 0
Apr 12 11:25:05 <jiduvah> which kind of makes sense considering the original string was empty
Apr 12 11:25:49 <appel1> jiduvah: so it's your key that is empty not the string you want to hash?
Apr 12 11:26:10 <pragma-> just call the empty string 0, done.
Apr 12 11:26:11 <pragma-> jeesh.
Apr 12 11:26:35 <RobinB> oh hai!
Apr 12 11:27:35 <RobinB> oh, if you guys don't know about appannie.com, it lists play store rankings in most countries, incl history. pretty nifty!
Apr 12 11:28:52 <appel1> pragma-: the sha-1 hash of an empty string is not 0
Apr 12 11:28:55 <n20> Ivru: Any argument pro/con it? :)
Apr 12 11:29:15 * pragma- yawns boredly.
Apr 12 11:29:44 <Ivru> n20: you're sure you won't have a weak ref on your activity from your asynctask
Apr 12 11:31:14 <n20> Ivru: Sounds like it comes witha failsafe of some sort. :-)
Apr 12 11:31:47 <jiduvah> pragma: whats up dude? I am obviously having problems here, its ok if you don't want to help but whats with the shitty attitude?
Apr 12 11:32:09 * hackkitten rolls around~
Apr 12 11:38:13 <niles11_> test
Apr 12 11:38:23 <Ge0rG> test failed
Apr 12 11:38:50 <jiduvah> haha
Apr 12 11:40:03 <jiduvah> appel1: OK it looks like I am getting somewhere. thanks for your help
Apr 12 11:40:09 <appel1> great
Apr 12 11:41:40 <niles11_> I'm having problems with a listview which contains a header and footer. Whenever I add a divider for the listview (and give it a height of 1dp for instance) it will also create a 1dp empty space between the header and the first listview item, without drawing the divider. It does the same for the last item in the list and the footer. I tried the XML attribute 'Header Dividers enabled' and set it to false, but that doesn't change 
Apr 12 11:51:45 <jeremyhaberman> niles11_: have you tried setting android:dividerHeight to 0?
Apr 12 11:52:05 <jeremyhaberman> I recall having run into that same issue months ago but can't remember what I did to resolve it.
Apr 12 11:52:52 <niles11_> Yep I tried that, and that will cause the empty space to be gone, exactly the way I want it. But it will also remove the divider between all the listview items, which I do not want...
Apr 12 11:53:52 <mikedg> i've been trying to make my apps look more like the latest web redesign of google +
Apr 12 11:53:58 <mikedg> but i cant figure out how to put extra whitespace
Apr 12 11:56:41 <vadi2> When I'm updating the ArrayAdapter of a ListView by clearing it / adding / notifying that the data set changes, the scrolling position is reset. Should this be happening?
Apr 12 12:04:46 <hrnt> vadi2: what is your setNotifyOnChange?
Apr 12 12:05:41 <vadi2> I don't define a custom event for that
Apr 12 12:06:27 <vadi2> So I guess what the default is, which I'm not sure about
Apr 12 12:06:48 <hrnt> vadi2: it will automatically notify whenever you call add/insert/remove/clear
Apr 12 12:07:01 <vadi2> Seems it's on by default too
Apr 12 12:07:09 <hrnt> vadi2: so i would imagine that your first clear will cause the array adapter to notify the list view that all data is gone
Apr 12 12:07:15 <hrnt> which probably will cause it to reset its scroll position
Apr 12 12:07:38 <vadi2> Makes sense
Apr 12 12:07:46 <hrnt> if you want to do the notify yourself, then you should set notifyOnChange to false
Apr 12 12:07:57 <hrnt> (and you need to set it every time you call notifyDataSetChanged, i think)
Apr 12 12:08:03 <vadi2> Yeah... that's a bit odd
Apr 12 12:10:17 <vadi2> Awesome, that was it. Thanks a ton
Apr 12 12:10:32 <harshpb> pragma-, finally i did it, thanks for sparking :)
Apr 12 12:12:03 <hrnt> vadi2: np
Apr 12 12:15:28 <xyy> i always install package on android,but i don't know what exactly dircotry the package is install in,is there a way to find out where it is? thanks
Apr 12 12:44:24 <havchr> having big problems with ant and building a test project that uses a android lib :(
Apr 12 12:46:38 <niles11_> anyone able to help me out with my listview adapter problem?
Apr 12 12:47:38 <mikedg> niles11_: can it be solved by a drunk bunny
Apr 12 12:48:08 * hackkitten hops about~
Apr 12 12:48:36 <niles11_> I hope so, why? ;-)
Apr 12 12:50:07 <mikedg> because of the wonderful wizard of oz
Apr 12 12:55:34 <niles11_> anyone seriously?
Apr 12 12:56:04 <NetoMarin> what kind of problem are you having?
Apr 12 12:59:44 <PDawg> hi guys, does anyone know if there is a way to change the text size when creating a options menu? im currently generating the menu using: MenuInflater inflater = getMenuInflater();     	inflater.inflate(R.menu.options_menu, menu);
Apr 12 13:04:43 <hillct> Anyone know what versions of the emulator/emulated OS support connection to a webcam for hardware camera simulation?
Apr 12 13:07:02 <niles11_> my problem is the following:
Apr 12 13:07:13 <niles11_> I have a listview, with a header and a footer
Apr 12 13:07:44 <niles11_> I want a divider between each item, but not between the header/first item and the last item/footer
Apr 12 13:08:27 <niles11_> If I add a divider with a height of 1dp, it also adds an empty space of 1dp between the header and the first item
Apr 12 13:08:29 <NetoMarin> you can use the property android:listDivider
Apr 12 13:08:36 <NetoMarin> take a look http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ListView.html
Apr 12 13:08:59 <NetoMarin> android:divider http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ListView.html#attr_android:divider
Apr 12 13:09:15 <NetoMarin> you can specify a color or a drawable
Apr 12 13:10:09 <niles11_> yes I know
Apr 12 13:10:16 <niles11_> I already have a drawable as a divider
Apr 12 13:10:37 <niles11_> and it works great *between* all the listview items
Apr 12 13:10:54 <niles11_> but I want no space between the header (XML file) and the first item
Apr 12 13:11:30 <NetoMarin> but this header and footer are textviews? images?
Apr 12 13:11:45 <NetoMarin> so you have to use something static between these elements...
Apr 12 13:13:48 <niles11_> the header is another xml layout, with a linearlayout as it's root layout
Apr 12 13:16:02 <niles11_> I will try to make a screenshot to show to you what I mean
Apr 12 13:20:12 <niles11_> NetoMarin: This is is a screenshot of my problem: http://niles11.dyndns.org/screenshot.jpg
Apr 12 13:21:57 <niles11_> I increased the size of the divider deliberately to show you the empty space
Apr 12 13:23:24 <pro_metedor> Hi! Did amazon released in app purchase and micro payments ?
Apr 12 13:24:48 <NetoMarin> hum ok... so, it's a layout above the listview...
Apr 12 13:25:02 <NetoMarin> did you try to set margin and padding to zero ?
Apr 12 13:25:32 <niles11_> well I know it has nothing to do with margins or paddings
Apr 12 13:26:08 <niles11_> because if I set the dividerheight to 0pd the empy space is gone too, and the listview fits perfectly to the listviewheader
Apr 12 13:26:25 <NetoMarin> can you post your xml or send it to me?
Apr 12 13:26:51 <niles11_> oke, which part of the XML do you wan?
Apr 12 13:28:59 <canadiancow|work> http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/11/major-android-vulnerability-gives-apps-access-to-sensitive-data-without-permission/
Apr 12 13:29:17 <canadiancow|work> if app A says its files are world readable, app B can read them without special permission (!)
Apr 12 13:29:22 <canadiancow|work> zomg android is insecure
Apr 12 13:30:54 <bubbleguuum> next security discovery  will be that app can use the phone CPU without permission
Apr 12 13:31:00 <canadiancow|work> lol
Apr 12 13:31:27 <canadiancow|work> i like how its a vulnerability on android that an app can access shared storage without being given explicit permission
Apr 12 13:31:38 <bubbleguuum> it can use the display too without permission, that's insecure
Apr 12 13:31:39 <canadiancow|work> but on ios, you can access pretty much anything with no explicit permission
Apr 12 13:32:06 <Mikellip> I saw that the other day, the most important point in that article is that you can send data through GET without internet permission
Apr 12 13:32:37 <Mikellip> But IMO since a malicious app would rather just request internet permission, it's really of no practical concern
Apr 12 13:32:41 <canadiancow|work> theres nothing about that in that article
Apr 12 13:32:49 <canadiancow|work> and are you sure about that?
Apr 12 13:32:51 <Mikellip> Ah, then it's another ;)
Apr 12 13:33:04 <Mikellip> Thought I recognized the link
Apr 12 13:33:24 <Mikellip> Yes you can send an URI ACTION_VIEW intent with GET-data
Apr 12 13:33:33 <Mikellip> without internet permission
Apr 12 13:33:35 <mikedg> http://trenchescomic.com/comic/post/translation
Apr 12 13:33:36 <Mikellip> according to the article
Apr 12 13:34:17 <havchr> man, configuring the ant to build a test project that uses a lib project, it's driving me insane
Apr 12 13:35:39 <Mikellip> ah here is the link: http://leviathansecurity.com/blog/archives/17-Zero-Permission-Android-Applications.html
Apr 12 13:36:31 <Mikellip> Most of is, is like you said - "oh no, it can read shared data"
Apr 12 13:36:38 <Mikellip> it*
Apr 12 13:37:12 <bubbleguuum> on Windows noone complains that apps can do pretty much what they want. It is a specificity of mobile device with some outlet specialized in that
Apr 12 13:37:45 <bubbleguuum> to the point of stupidity
Apr 12 13:37:49 <canadiancow|work> ah the intent...
Apr 12 13:37:54 <canadiancow|work> you can launch a browser
Apr 12 13:38:00 <Mikellip> yup :)
Apr 12 13:38:01 <canadiancow|work> that's not quite the same as a raw GET
Apr 12 13:38:18 <Mikellip> no it isn't, and people with multiple browsers will get notified of what they want to use to open
Apr 12 13:38:25 <Mikellip> but still it does work
Apr 12 13:39:12 <Mikellip> But what app comes without internet permission? And what malicious app would do it that way? :-)
Apr 12 13:41:53 <Bitbreaker> Anyone interest in trying a Web demo of our Android game created with unity 3d?
Apr 12 13:43:03 <pro_metedor> whats the name?
Apr 12 13:43:19 <Bitbreaker> Cosmicube
Apr 12 13:43:26 <lov> canadiancow|work: yeah, it's such a ridiculous article, and it's ridiculous that BGR reported it. HEY GUYS, DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN GET APP PACKAGES WITH PACKAGEMANAGER? IT IS TRUE!!!!
Apr 12 13:43:33 <pro_metedor> is it on playstore ?
Apr 12 13:43:35 <havchr> Bitbreaker: is it released?
Apr 12 13:43:54 <Bitbreaker> Its not released yet
Apr 12 13:44:03 <jiduvah> I need to send a mac in a header, it seems to calculate a mac I receive a byte array. Would it be correct to then convert that to base64 in order to send it?
Apr 12 13:44:16 <havchr> if someone has managed to setup ant to build a test project that uses a lib, I  will kiss you, and then discuss how you made it happen.
Apr 12 13:45:19 <lov> jiduvah: I don't know, probably? What does the server expect?
Apr 12 13:45:22 <Bitbreaker> Try this link http://db.tt/wWWWOSsS
Apr 12 13:45:29 <lov> havchr: I don't want your kisses.
Apr 12 13:45:38 <Snuffel> we're kissing now?
Apr 12 13:45:53 <havchr> lov: let's discuss first, then you can run away when I try to kiss you
Apr 12 13:46:02 <jiduvah> lov: the spec I am working from says this   mac = HMAC-SHA1 (key, text)
Apr 12 13:46:13 <lov> Bitbreaker: uh, that just shows me the source code for your unity page, it doesn't actually do anything.
Apr 12 13:46:13 <jiduvah> so it doesn't mention anything about base64
Apr 12 13:46:28 <jiduvah> thats why I am confused about how I can send the mac
Apr 12 13:46:36 <lov> jiduvah: right, you MIGHT want to get a bit of clarity as to what scheme to use. That's not really an android question :P
Apr 12 13:46:44 <lov> it's PROBABLY base64 but you should check.
Apr 12 13:46:47 <lov> they might want hex
Apr 12 13:47:24 <jiduvah> well I need to hash something else earlier and its quite clear in the docs that I should use base64 then, but this time it doesn't say
Apr 12 13:47:28 <jiduvah> I guess I will ask
Apr 12 13:47:34 <jiduvah> lov: thanks
Apr 12 13:48:08 <alexramallo> How can I manually give superuser permissions to an app that doesnt request it? (like a text editor)
Apr 12 13:48:25 <lov> you.... don't.
Apr 12 13:48:32 <lov> alexramallo: are you asking as a developer or as an end user?
Apr 12 13:48:41 <lov> if you're asking as an end user, please go to #android or #android-root
Apr 12 13:48:53 <alexramallo> i am..ok sorry
Apr 12 13:49:16 <Bitbreaker> Damn, was trying to do it by phone, standby
Apr 12 13:56:02 <havchr> If I set up the projects like the documentation seems to mean it should be set up, it works in eclipse, but fails when compiling the test-lib from ant, because it can't find the classes from the lib I am using.
Apr 12 13:56:47 <havchr> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8595006/android-unit-test-using-ant-with-library-project basicly, this issue, but the solutions have not worked for me. Maybe because of some change in the newly released android tools
Apr 12 13:56:57 <Bitbreaker> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35397320/Cosmicube%20web%20demo/WebPlayer/WebPlayer.html
Apr 12 13:57:05 <lov> Yeah, it's possible that the newest SDKs broke compat.
Apr 12 14:03:33 <john_doe_jr> how do you re-create the R.java file?
Apr 12 14:04:47 <gridbag> Is there a Java version of this Javadoc?  http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/1.1/docs/man/
Apr 12 14:04:58 <lov> john_doe_jr: clean the project.
Apr 12 14:05:09 <lov> john_doe_jr: if the R.java file isn't built, your project has errors. Look in the Problems or Errors tabs in eclipse.
Apr 12 14:05:34 <Mikellip> most likely it's problems in an xml-file
Apr 12 14:07:03 <ryden> Hi, is it possible to make an Android library include the jni stuff on it?
Apr 12 14:07:20 <lov> that's kind of a vague question.
Apr 12 14:07:27 <lov> you can put the shared libs in the library, yes, and they'll be included.
Apr 12 14:07:42 <john_doe_jr> lov: well, it states that I'm missing the R.java file....I imported the project into eclipse...is there an android tool that will automatically generate the R.java file?
Apr 12 14:07:58 <ryden> lov: Will they be used by the Android projects using that library as well?
Apr 12 14:08:58 <lov> 10:05:02 < lov> john_doe_jr: clean the project.
Apr 12 14:08:58 <lov> 10:05:14 < lov> john_doe_jr: if the R.java file isn't built, your project has errors. Look in the Problems or Errors  tabs in eclipse.
Apr 12 14:09:12 <lov> so, uh
Apr 12 14:09:16 <lov> make sure that your project is being automatically built
Apr 12 14:09:19 <lov> and then try cleaning it.
Apr 12 14:09:29 <lov> and then the R.java file will be automatically rebuilt.
Apr 12 14:09:39 <lov> or, you'll see some other error in the console or the error log
Apr 12 14:09:56 <lov> it's possible that it can't figure out how to use the gen folder, in which case delete the gen folder and make a new one
Apr 12 14:10:01 <lov> ryden: yes.
Apr 12 14:10:39 <ryden> lov: Do you know how can I make Eclipse pack the jni stuff into the library then?
Apr 12 14:10:57 <ryden> lov: I already made it auto-build it, but it's not getting packed into.
Apr 12 14:12:17 <lov> ryden: you don't DO anything. You leave the shared libs in the libs dir of your library project.
Apr 12 14:12:26 <lov> the shared libs should be getting imported into the end project
Apr 12 14:12:49 <lov> please, be PRECISE in your terminology.
Apr 12 14:12:56 <lov> "the jni stuff" isn't precise
Apr 12 14:13:02 <ryden> Okay, sorry.
Apr 12 14:13:19 <pragma-> ryden: to fix it you have to take the stuff from the sdk and put it in your stuff
Apr 12 14:13:40 <ryden> No need for sarcasm ;)
Apr 12 14:15:11 <Rrjois> hi, i have implemented a mediaplayer to stream my audio. I have also implemented a mediacontroller. But mediaController.show()is not working. isShowing() always returns false. Here is my code http://pastebin.com/qqxd61Tc  Please help
Apr 12 14:15:58 <lov> ryden: I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being serious. You're being super vague. I don't know if you're asking about shared libs, or native method calls, or what.
Apr 12 14:16:32 <ryden> lov, I was not referring to you, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Apr 12 14:16:39 <lov> oh whoops
Apr 12 14:16:46 <Snuffel> you probably need to set a mark somewhere
Apr 12 14:16:47 <lov> pragma-: be precise!
Apr 12 14:16:49 * lov shakes his fist
Apr 12 14:18:18 <ryden> lov: My shared library is in the libs/armeabi directory of my library project. I import its jar in my main project and make use of some class that uses native methods, and I get a UnsatisfiedLinkError because it cannot find the .so file from the library.
Apr 12 14:19:06 <lov> wait. What do you mean import its jar? Is your .so living inside of another jar? Or are you trying to import the library's jar output?
Apr 12 14:19:09 <ryden> lov: Is there a way to check if the shared library is in the jar at all?
Apr 12 14:19:15 <Snuffel> then you're not deploying the library
Apr 12 14:19:32 <dragorn> do jars contain libraries?  I would think you'd need both
Apr 12 14:19:42 <lov> dragorn: they're glorified zips, so they could.
Apr 12 14:19:54 <ryden> lov, Snuffel: This library includes some java code and some native code. I want the jar to include both the classes and the shared library.
Apr 12 14:20:14 <dragorn> lov: well as a container, sure, I just didn't think they did as logic
Apr 12 14:20:20 <Snuffel> hat should be in a deployment descriptor
Apr 12 14:20:22 <Snuffel> +t
Apr 12 14:20:33 <Snuffel> not?
Apr 12 14:21:41 <lov> ryden: ok, to be clear, your .so files live directly in libs/armeabi in your library project, not inside of another zip.
Apr 12 14:21:44 <n20> How "soon" does the app page update to show 100 000-X instead of 50 000 - 100 000 when you've passed 100K? :D
Apr 12 14:21:45 <lov> What jar are you trying to reference?
Apr 12 14:21:55 <lov> You shouldn't be trying to reference the library output directly from eclipse
Apr 12 14:21:58 <ryden> lov: exactly.
Apr 12 14:22:08 <lov> you should include your android library in the android section of your project preferences
Apr 12 14:22:21 <ryden> lov: I'm referencing the library output (the .jar file), indeed.
Apr 12 14:22:22 <lov> n20: as soon as you stop watching.
Apr 12 14:22:26 <lov> ryden: don't do that.
Apr 12 14:22:27 <tors> :)
Apr 12 14:22:31 <n20> lov: I did that for a while :(
Apr 12 14:22:37 <ryden> lov: I will check!
Apr 12 14:23:12 <lov> ryden: http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/projects/projects-eclipse.html#ReferencingLibraryProject
Apr 12 14:23:32 <ryden> That was it!
Apr 12 14:23:34 <ryden> Love, lov.
Apr 12 14:23:39 <ryden> Thank you!
Apr 12 14:30:02 <canadiancow|work> android.content.res.Resources$NotFoundException - android.content.res.Resources.loadDrawable:1735 (File res/drawable/zz_moto_actionbar_bkg.xml from drawable resource ID #0x10803ad)
Apr 12 14:30:20 <canadiancow|work> note: i do not explicitly load zz_moto_actionbar_bkg :S
Apr 12 14:32:07 <SimonVT> moto rola?
Apr 12 14:36:05 <offultimate> qwe
Apr 12 14:40:46 <abaratican> I'm trying to make a .apk that has nothing but a service in it, so other applications can use this optional service if it happens to be installed... shouldn't an installed apk with just a service in it show up in the "applications" list, or would it not show up unless there's a main activity?
Apr 12 14:41:28 <SimonVT> it would show up
Apr 12 14:41:29 <canadiancow|work> SimonVT i assume so
Apr 12 14:41:38 <canadiancow|work> its in a flurry error log
Apr 12 14:41:42 <abaratican> then maybe the apk isn't being deployed correctly.
Apr 12 14:41:43 <appel1> abaratican: which applications list? in the launcher or in settings -> apps?
Apr 12 14:41:44 <SimonVT> But it's stopped until the user explicitly launches an activity in the apk
Apr 12 14:42:16 <SimonVT> As in, can't run, doesn't get broadcasts, it's like it's not even there
Apr 12 14:42:53 <appel1> SimonVT: don't it get activated if the service is explicitly bound to or started by another app?
Apr 12 14:44:20 <SimonVT> Maybe
Apr 12 14:47:22 <NiveusLuna> Is there any reason to use older versions of the android development platform? Like, grabbing the Android 2.3 platform instead of Android 4.0.x.
Apr 12 14:47:36 <SimonVT> You'd probably have to know the manifest package and service package/name, instead of just a broadcast
Apr 12 14:47:53 <SimonVT> NiveusLuna: For testing
Apr 12 14:48:12 <NiveusLuna> SimonVT: Okay. Assuming I'm just doing development and someone else is doing the testing, then.
Apr 12 14:48:19 <SimonVT> Not really
Apr 12 14:49:02 <NiveusLuna> So something built against the Android 4.0 platform will work on Android 2.3, as long as I don't use anything specific to Android 4.0?
Apr 12 14:49:24 <`z> o.o
Apr 12 14:49:31 <SimonVT> NiveusLuna: http://simonvt.net/2012/02/07/what-api-level-should-i-target/
Apr 12 14:49:32 <NiveusLuna> I just want to be absolutely sure here, is all
Apr 12 14:50:27 <SimonVT> Short answer, yes
Apr 12 14:50:28 <NiveusLuna> SimonVT: Ah, great explanation. Thanks. *bookmarks*
Apr 12 14:50:31 <SimonVT> Long answer, read the post
Apr 12 14:50:32 <SimonVT> =)
Apr 12 14:51:11 <NiveusLuna> I try to support people in #fedora, so I prefer to read docs when available. But I'm so new to Android development I don't even know where to start for referencing docs.
Apr 12 14:51:13 <NiveusLuna> Thank you.
Apr 12 14:51:41 <NiveusLuna> Linux docs, I know where to look. XD
Apr 12 14:52:21 <appel1> NiveusLuna: this might also be useful http://developer.android.com/resources/articles/backward-compatibility.html
Apr 12 14:52:56 <SimonVT> lov: l2 download adt as a zip <stalks you on google groups>
Apr 12 14:53:05 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 14:54:02 <lov> O_O
Apr 12 14:54:32 <Ge0rG> SimonVT: why does your editor.apply() method work on r7, but not on r4?
Apr 12 14:56:18 <SimonVT> Ge0rG: api4 will see that editor.apply() doesn't exist, and crash. Api7 will see that editor.apply() doesn't exist, is never going to get called cus of the if, remove that block and log a warning
Apr 12 14:58:06 <Ge0rG> SimonVT: that distinction happens on the device at instantiation time?
Apr 12 14:58:42 <SimonVT> Yes, by the classloader
Apr 12 14:59:03 <Ge0rG> SimonVT: thanks. That part of android compatibility is not quite well-documented :(
Apr 12 14:59:18 <Jonathan_Eyre> Is there a good tutorial for sending bytearrays from C through JNI to a Java functions?
Apr 12 14:59:43 <SimonVT> If editor.apply() was wrapped in a static class, it would not crash. This is because the classloader sees that the static class exists, but it's never going to load it cus of the if
Apr 12 15:02:05 <SimonVT> Well, Googles examples usually involve using reflection to call new APIs
Apr 12 15:02:42 <canadiancow|work> anyone know some good software for cloning a hard drive to a new, different hard drive?
Apr 12 15:03:53 <oGMo> dd?
Apr 12 15:04:00 <canadiancow|work> is it that simple?
Apr 12 15:04:10 <canadiancow|work> also: must work with NTFS
Apr 12 15:04:24 <oGMo> well dd can do a low-level copy but it's almost certainly not what you want
Apr 12 15:05:47 <Ge0rG> if the target partition is at least as large as the source partition, you can go with dd; just don't forget bs=1M or somesuch
Apr 12 15:06:13 <oGMo> yeah if ntfs messes with the partition table or other off-partition data you're screwed
Apr 12 15:06:24 <oGMo> but i think it can resize, so if it's larger you can copy then expand i'd think
Apr 12 15:06:36 <canadiancow|work> im worried it might be smaller
Apr 12 15:06:44 <oGMo> then you're fucked regardless
Apr 12 15:06:56 <canadiancow|work> well i have a 500GB hdd, and im using ~100GB
Apr 12 15:07:04 <canadiancow|work> so if i get a 256GB SSD, everything will "fit"
Apr 12 15:07:05 <oGMo> some win-specific tools (ghost?) might be able to handle that
Apr 12 15:07:12 <oGMo> why not just copy your files over?
Apr 12 15:07:19 <canadiancow|work> i dont want to have to reinstall everything
Apr 12 15:07:35 <canadiancow|work> i just want to plug both drives in, start the process, walk away, and have a working system after
Apr 12 15:07:56 <havchr> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10126358/android-unit-test-using-ant-with-library-project-r18
Apr 12 15:07:57 <oGMo> surely you can just select everything in the root directory and copy it even still?
Apr 12 15:08:06 <oGMo> oh rihgt then there's registry BS
Apr 12 15:08:19 <Jonathan_Eyre> Ghost does reassign files in the "dead" part of the hard drive for you to a place within the new 256GB size.
Apr 12 15:08:21 <oGMo> canadiancow|work: there are tools like ghost or whatever if that's even still around
Apr 12 15:08:29 <canadiancow|work> yea im just not sure if it's still around
Apr 12 15:08:37 <Jonathan_Eyre> Doing just a file copy will make you reinstall everything.
Apr 12 15:08:39 <canadiancow|work> also i'd prefer free :P
Apr 12 15:09:01 <oGMo> Jonathan_Eyre: surely a copy plus registry copy wouldn't, though
Apr 12 15:09:01 <Jonathan_Eyre> Ghost comes free* in Hiren's boot CD/USB stick.
Apr 12 15:09:50 <canadiancow|work> well i'll tkae a look at that, thanks
Apr 12 15:10:02 <Jonathan_Eyre> If you copy files, you are going to mis a lot of stuff, such as partition data. If you transfer on the byte level, your partition will not fit.
Apr 12 15:10:22 <canadiancow|work> well i dont know if the new drive is smaller
Apr 12 15:10:22 <Jonathan_Eyre> read: Use Ghost.
Apr 12 15:10:30 <canadiancow|work> im just assuming that im not going to be getting a 512GB SSD
Apr 12 15:10:45 <oGMo> do they even make 512GB ssds?
Apr 12 15:10:52 <oGMo> oh can NTFS shrink?
Apr 12 15:11:00 <canadiancow|work> ntfs can shrink - good point
Apr 12 15:11:18 <oGMo> jsut watch out that you're not a few bytes over :p
Apr 12 15:11:41 <Jonathan_Eyre> NTFS will "shrink" only if you use a program that will reassign files in the DEAD section to a place that is within your new partition. Didn't I say that already?
Apr 12 15:11:44 <oGMo> this is assuming ntfs isn't so broken that even a low-level copy doesn't get all the bits
Apr 12 15:12:10 <oGMo> Jonathan_Eyre: no, shrink _in place_
Apr 12 15:12:16 <oGMo> then copy the shrunken partition
Apr 12 15:12:38 <KungPhoo> oGMo you mean compress files?
Apr 12 15:12:49 <canadiancow|work> well you cant just shrink if there are files sititng at the end
Apr 12 15:12:50 <oGMo> KungPhoo: he's not using the full extent of the partition
Apr 12 15:12:52 <canadiancow|work> but ive shrunk before
Apr 12 15:12:58 <Jonathan_Eyre> Are we zipping or creating a smaller partition?
Apr 12 15:13:05 <oGMo> canadiancow|work: right it should essentially defrag during the shrink
Apr 12 15:13:18 <canadiancow|work> yea ok so i'm all good then :)
Apr 12 15:13:25 <oGMo> Jonathan_Eyre: we're saying "take this 500GB partition of which i'm using 100GB and make it 150GB"
Apr 12 15:13:43 <KungPhoo> ah. That theoretically works
Apr 12 15:13:52 <oGMo> this is entirely before any copying takes place
Apr 12 15:13:52 <KungPhoo> do backup, though
Apr 12 15:14:01 <oGMo> yeah who the hell has media to back up 100GB heh
Apr 12 15:14:07 <canadiancow|work> i do?
Apr 12 15:14:13 <canadiancow|work> who DOESN'T ???
Apr 12 15:14:18 <KungPhoo> who doens't?
Apr 12 15:14:21 <canadiancow|work> you dont have another hard drive with 100GB free?
Apr 12 15:14:36 <Jonathan_Eyre> THAT is not shrinking. That is creating a smaller partition, in which case, anything past 100MB is either going to be lost or is going to need to be reassigned somewhere within the 100MB mark.
Apr 12 15:14:44 <oGMo> oh, i suppose i do have a few 1TB externals actually
Apr 12 15:14:53 <KungPhoo> Jonathan_Eyre nah, Windows will move the files
Apr 12 15:14:58 <oGMo> Jonathan_Eyre: you are not grokking
Apr 12 15:15:18 <KungPhoo> even GParted will
Apr 12 15:15:47 <oGMo> though really a tool like ghost is still your best bet, but eh
Apr 12 15:16:28 <Jonathan_Eyre> Move files, yes, but to other places that it has room for. It won't avoid free space at the end of your partition unless you use a third party software. And even then, you will NOT be able to make the partition smaller without recreate the partition data at the beginning of your harddrive.
Apr 12 15:16:59 <Jonathan_Eyre> Anyway, yeah, use Ghost. I wish I had thought of that.
Apr 12 15:17:15 <KungPhoo> uhm. It will move the files in the new 150 GB partition space, then resize zhe partition
Apr 12 15:18:53 <oGMo> hopeless
Apr 12 15:19:20 <Jonathan_Eyre> Perhaps I am not familiar with the Windows process. Usually they strongly recommend moving the data to somewhere safe, and them want you to reformat a new partition. GParted and Ghost will move the files for you.
Apr 12 15:20:32 <oGMo> it's not particularly windows. if you move all your data so it's within the first 150GB, then edit the partition table to say it's 150GB, your previously 500GB partition has become 150GB with 350GB of free space following it
Apr 12 15:20:57 <oGMo> many filesystems are capable of this
Apr 12 15:21:46 <Jonathan_Eyre> I would not want to bit twiddle my partition without a trusted third party tool. But obviously, if a tool can do it, so can you. In either case, good luck with that.
Apr 12 15:22:19 <oGMo> right, but the windows partition tool does all of this for you, or gparted, or similar
Apr 12 15:22:36 <oGMo> though it's obviously still riskier than a simple ghost
Apr 12 15:22:38 <oGMo> anyway
Apr 12 15:22:39 <oGMo> android :p
Apr 12 15:23:08 <oGMo> it's possible to entirely obtain a GL context from C land now right, and this is done via a shared library?
Apr 12 15:23:20 <Jonathan_Eyre> If they say so. You would not want to do it on the live "booted" partition. You have to do it from another computer. But, yeah... Android.
Apr 12 15:23:46 <oGMo> Jonathan_Eyre: yeah i think you'd have to plug it in non-live
Apr 12 15:24:38 <Duke_Puke> Hello i have a game with a SurfaceWiew and a thread. What is the simplest way to create a game-over screen?
Apr 12 15:24:51 <oGMo> o.o
Apr 12 15:25:05 <oGMo> Duke_Puke: probably by writing code
Apr 12 15:25:20 <Duke_Puke> No really, that didn't occur to me
Apr 12 15:25:44 <Duke_Puke> but is it ok to start a new activity or is there a way i can fit it into a thread?
Apr 12 15:26:42 <oGMo> er generally you would be handling the in-game transition logic and similar yourself, not via higher-level android things
Apr 12 15:27:55 <oGMo> with absolutely no details about what you're doing or how any of your code works ..
Apr 12 15:28:06 <vivekm> I want to pull data from two tables, sorted wrt. two columns and display the result in a list view. Till now I was using MergeCursor to merge the two cursors but i just saw that merge cursor give no regard to order of results.
Apr 12 15:29:11 <vivekm> is there any good way to do the same except writing my own inefficient wrapper to merge the results from two cursors?
Apr 12 15:29:42 <Duke_Puke> oGMo: Ok, I might have done something terribly wrong but i have written all my graphical code in the overridden method onDraw() is it ok to leave it empty? So i can render many canvases with the same method
Apr 12 15:31:52 <root66> leave what empty?
Apr 12 15:32:27 <dantheman> hello all
Apr 12 15:32:29 <root66> and if this is part of a class that extends your canvas view, instantiating a new copy will use the same override
Apr 12 15:32:46 <dantheman> has anyone run into this before: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: parameter must be a descendant of this view
Apr 12 15:33:09 <dantheman> i'm switching from an image gallery to Facebook to share something then switching back to my app
Apr 12 15:33:22 <root66> are you accessing a protected property from outside the same containing class?
Apr 12 15:33:28 <dantheman> but it only shows up after a Rhythm ad
Apr 12 15:36:11 <dantheman> rome?
Apr 12 15:36:13 <Duke_Puke> root666  I meant that I would write metods for the game and the game-over screen both would return a canvas and then take this canvas and pass it into onDraw
Apr 12 15:36:28 <dantheman> root66: are you talking to me
Apr 12 15:36:58 <root66> yes
Apr 12 15:37:31 <dantheman> um I'm not sure if I'm accessing a protected property
Apr 12 15:38:22 <dantheman> I'm not accessing anything from inside the gallery when I'm in FB
Apr 12 15:38:25 <dantheman> I don't think
Apr 12 15:39:49 <Jonathan_Eyre> I'm trying to get the contents of a file in my NDK library. From what I can tell, I'm supposed to use my C function to call a Java function to read my file using Java File IO and then pass the binary stream SOMEHOW back to my C function. Does anyone have an example of this working?
Apr 12 15:40:21 <dantheman> um…you should use JNI
Apr 12 15:40:47 <dantheman> so write your java like getData() then write a JNI class that talks to the C
Apr 12 15:41:32 <Jonathan_Eyre> Right, JNI. I can run a java function using JNI. I can do that. But how do I pass a binary block of data to my C function?
Apr 12 15:41:40 <Jonathan_Eyre> Would it be better to just use fopen?
Apr 12 15:41:56 <dantheman> do you have fopen in the NDK
Apr 12 15:42:10 <Jonathan_Eyre> The whole JNI handshake seems to be a little elementary.
Apr 12 15:42:13 <dantheman> its been too long since I have done NDK stuff
Apr 12 15:43:10 <dragorn> Jonathan_Eyre: arbitrary binary block?  byte[]
Apr 12 15:43:18 <dantheman> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4247002/passing-string-from-java-into-jni
Apr 12 15:43:23 <dantheman> Jonathan_Eyre: ^^
Apr 12 15:43:30 <dragorn> Jonathan_Eyre: nothing says you can't use fopen in C however and read the file directly
Apr 12 15:43:45 <dragorn> Jonathan_Eyre: I would either read it in java and pass bytes to C, or read it in C and pass parsed to java
Apr 12 15:43:56 <dragorn> don't bounce into C and then back into java and then back into C
Apr 12 15:44:01 <dantheman> you use jobjects and pass a pointer/reference
Apr 12 15:44:10 <dantheman> err no
Apr 12 15:45:08 <dantheman> Jonathan_Eyre: look at this http://java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/Programming/JDCBook/jniexamp.html
Apr 12 15:45:54 <Rrjois> hi, i have implemented a mediaplayer to stream my audio. I have also implemented a mediacontroller. But mediaController.show()is not working. isShowing() always returns false. Here is my code http://pastebin.com/qqxd61Tc  Please help
Apr 12 15:48:21 <Jonathan_Eyre> dantheman: Does that JNI example use libraries that are available on Android? specifically <sys/stat.h>
Apr 12 15:48:34 <dantheman> google is your friend
Apr 12 15:48:40 <Jonathan_Eyre> har :)
Apr 12 15:48:45 <dantheman> sorry I have my own bugs to work out
Apr 12 15:49:27 <dantheman> look at the NDK docs…I know libbionic is not lib c
Apr 12 15:49:42 <dantheman> so you don't have everything that you think you should
Apr 12 15:50:46 <canadiancow|work> IR blaster on the new samsung galaxy tab
Apr 12 15:50:48 <canadiancow|work> interesting
Apr 12 15:50:51 <canadiancow|work> but i'd prefer that on my phone
Apr 12 15:51:13 <dragorn> canadiancow: I keep thinking I want to make a bluetooth to ir blaster
Apr 12 16:12:20 <developernotes> I am running proguard against my app, I've tried including this (https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/K1tGvKG1NYv) however I still get these type of errors: http://pastie.org/3774960  Any thoughts or suggestions?
Apr 12 16:15:42 <aLeSD> hi all
Apr 12 16:16:52 <aLeSD> I am trying to create my own title bar ... Do I have to create my custom style for it ?
Apr 12 16:16:59 <QubeZ> developernotes: you can try -keep class <whatever classes hold those>.**
Apr 12 16:17:16 <QubeZ> like my google api's I put: -keep class com.google.api.client.googleapis.**
Apr 12 16:18:14 <developernotes> QubeZ: This is what I've been trying (http://pastie.org/3774988) and I still get those results.
Apr 12 16:18:28 <wongk> aLeSD: yes
Apr 12 16:20:31 <developernotes> QubeZ:  the strange part is that when I open the android compat. library it, I can see the FragmentCompat class does an import of android.app.Fragment which is really under another package in the compat jar.
Apr 12 16:20:44 <developernotes> Not sure if that's why it's getting hung up or not.
Apr 12 16:23:12 <wongk> developernotes: wich sdk level are you targetting?
Apr 12 16:23:36 <developernotes> wongk:  13
Apr 12 16:24:23 <wongk> well that's unusual
Apr 12 16:24:32 <wongk> 13 has android.app.Fragment
Apr 12 16:25:12 <developernotes> wongk:  I've got my minsdk set to 7.
Apr 12 16:26:03 <wongk> developernotes: that should not be relevant for this purpose
Apr 12 16:26:26 <developernotes> wongk:  ok, that's what I thought
Apr 12 16:28:53 <aLeSD> wongk: where I could find all the params I can set ?
Apr 12 16:29:50 <wongk> maybe proguard is eliminating the class, what happens if you "-keep class android.app.Fragment" as a test
Apr 12 16:29:52 <developernotes> Yeah, it is strange.  I can see proguard reading in the android compat. jar before it starts spewing out those error messages.
Apr 12 16:29:57 <wongk> aLeSD: in the docs
Apr 12 16:30:39 <aLeSD> lol
Apr 12 16:30:42 <aLeSD> ok
Apr 12 16:32:23 <developernotes> wongk: I still get a slew of these (http://pastie.org/3775068) when I add "-keep class android.app.Fragment"
Apr 12 16:32:53 <wongk> huh, well i don't know enough about proguard to assist further, i'll have to defer to others
Apr 12 16:38:25 <developernotes> wongk:  thanks
Apr 12 16:42:46 <L337_One> hello
Apr 12 16:42:52 <L337_One> finally
Apr 12 16:46:30 <michaelgamble> hey :) anyone here developing android apps using flash builder as air apps hooked into native extensions?
Apr 12 16:46:43 <michaelgamble> if so, any advice on how to debug custom native extensions?
Apr 12 16:46:54 <L337_One> hello
Apr 12 16:48:05 <L337_One> does any1 know IIREDALERT he created a camera app turn picture into 3d
Apr 12 16:51:07 <wongk> that sounds like something facebook might just pay 1 billion dollars for!
Apr 12 16:51:53 <QubeZ> i can't believe FB paid $1b for instagram
Apr 12 16:51:56 <QubeZ> im still shocked
Apr 12 16:52:16 <wongk> that will be forever shocking
Apr 12 16:53:41 <L337_One> whats instagram
Apr 12 16:53:50 <L337_One> nm i remem
Apr 12 16:54:13 <L337_One> anybody know how to get your ap to facebook
Apr 12 16:55:14 <abaratican> there's not some method hiding in an Activity that i'm overlooking already that tells you if it's between onResume() and onPause(), is there?
Apr 12 16:55:48 <abaratican> (I of course can track this myself, but making sure it doesn't exist)
Apr 12 16:56:44 <wongk> if there i couldn't find it when i looked for it :P
Apr 12 17:00:45 <readme> wongk: what kills me
Apr 12 17:00:51 <readme> is that instagram only released for android like last week
Apr 12 17:01:44 <wongk> readme: of all the things about that situation to 'kill you', that's what you pick? :P
Apr 12 17:04:52 <canadiancow|work> has anyone used at&t billing before?
Apr 12 17:11:11 <ANdi``> Hi.. have a little question.. is there sth equivalent to android:inputType = "numeric" for floating point numbers ?
Apr 12 17:14:55 <dantheman> has anyone here written anything using the Rhythm SDK for ads?
Apr 12 17:16:42 <t432> Would it be possible to get Android Location Class and pass your own longitude and latitude values?
Apr 12 17:16:57 <readme> Is the proguard documentation here http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/proguard.html a bit outdated? the project.properties file has instructions that are not 100% congruent with it
Apr 12 17:17:32 <readme> well, build successful
Apr 12 17:18:23 <birbeck> readme: afaik, proguard.jar was updated, and you are no longer supposed to include the whole proguard config in your local config
Apr 12 17:18:35 <birbeck> lint should give you a warning telling you exactly what to do
Apr 12 17:18:45 <readme> oh, I was doing it cmdline
Apr 12 17:18:54 <readme> i suppose I can run lint from cmdline too
Apr 12 17:18:57 <readme> I should look that up
Apr 12 17:19:02 <birbeck> you can run lint on the command line as well
Apr 12 17:19:09 <readme> anyway my build went fine
Apr 12 17:19:13 <L337_One> are any of you graphic designers
Apr 12 17:19:13 <readme> I just had to uncomment one line
Apr 12 17:19:16 <readme> that was all
Apr 12 17:19:39 <readme> L337_One: I'm capable of using inkscape and making graphics, but I am not a professional designer.
Apr 12 17:19:56 <birbeck> building might work, but you need to test that no classes got stripped of obfuscated that now cause runtime errors
Apr 12 17:20:20 <birbeck> L337_One: same, i can use inkscape and gimp to some degree, but not a designer
Apr 12 17:21:40 <L337_One> lol
Apr 12 17:22:02 <chouman> anyone knows how to capture drawing actions?
Apr 12 17:22:48 <lov> Hey L337_One, are you actually a dev?
Apr 12 17:24:41 <birbeck> he is the l337 one, he doesnt need to dev, he just thinks it and its done
Apr 12 17:25:30 <buddhabrot> hello, I don't understand how to get the 4.0.4 emulator in Eclipse
Apr 12 17:25:40 <buddhabrot> I updated ADT to r18, and the plugin for Eclipse
Apr 12 17:25:44 <lov> You must meditate on it.
Apr 12 17:25:51 <lov> Be one with the emulator
Apr 12 17:25:54 <buddhabrot> still, 4.0.4 doesn't show up in ADT updates list?
Apr 12 17:26:08 <lov> Where are you looking?
Apr 12 17:26:13 <lov> The Android SDK Manager window?
Apr 12 17:26:16 <buddhabrot> yes
Apr 12 17:26:21 <lov> I don't see it either, it might just not be out yet
Apr 12 17:26:28 <canadiancow|work> trololol
Apr 12 17:26:33 <birbeck> i thought 4.0.3 was the latest
Apr 12 17:26:38 <wongk> it is
Apr 12 17:26:44 <buddhabrot> but I read about the improved GPU support in 4.0.4
Apr 12 17:26:48 <lov> er
Apr 12 17:26:48 <chouman> anyone knows how to record the drawing calls ?
Apr 12 17:26:55 <buddhabrot> can I enable hardware GPU in 4.0.3 as well?
Apr 12 17:26:55 <lov> are you sure you're not thinking of the SDK Tools?
Apr 12 17:27:01 <wongk> that doesn't make it released
Apr 12 17:27:07 <birbeck> buddhabrot: blogs almost always get the details wrong on anything having to do with android dev
Apr 12 17:27:29 <lov> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/04/faster-emulator-with-better-hardware.html
Apr 12 17:27:34 <lov> says nothing about 4.0.4
Apr 12 17:27:58 <readme> birbeck: inkscape :)
Apr 12 17:28:06 <readme> i love the interpolate feature
Apr 12 17:29:11 <ozo> does anyone know a good tutorial for compiling and running the examples of andengine? i am having a hard time with errors all over the place.
Apr 12 17:30:27 <radioact1ve> is there a way to set a File instance to Context.MODE_PRIVATE without calling openFileOutput()?
Apr 12 17:31:19 <birbeck> 3541 line refactor, and all my tests finally pass again
Apr 12 17:32:10 <readme> in one commit =O
Apr 12 17:32:18 <birbeck> :)
Apr 12 17:32:30 <birbeck> it wasnt something i could really break into parts
Apr 12 17:32:35 <readme> s/refactor/rewrite/
Apr 12 17:32:41 <birbeck> but i did it in a branch and committed along the way
Apr 12 17:32:53 <birbeck> but now im putting up my code review
Apr 12 17:33:09 <birbeck> readme: yeah, i rewrote the api service layer
Apr 12 17:33:15 <readme> someone elses code?
Apr 12 17:33:22 <birbeck> no
Apr 12 17:33:30 <birbeck> im the only android dev here
Apr 12 17:33:40 <L337_One> birbeck
Apr 12 17:34:11 <L337_One> questtion can you do 3d models
Apr 12 17:34:12 <readme> i'm trying not to do stuff like that ;P
Apr 12 17:34:20 <birbeck> L337_One:  no
Apr 12 17:34:56 <L337_One> is there somewhere i could go where i pay some1
Apr 12 17:35:02 <birbeck> readme: well the app is finished and ready to ship, so now im just trying to find ways to optimize it until we get the go ahead
Apr 12 17:35:16 <readme> L337_One: try fiverr.com that should be within your budget
Apr 12 17:35:21 <birbeck> L337_One: not sure, i doubt #android-dev is the best place to find 3d modelers
Apr 12 17:35:24 * readme is completely serious
Apr 12 17:35:43 <lov> Hey L337_One
Apr 12 17:35:45 <lov> are you a developer?
Apr 12 17:35:46 <L337_One> i dont know i just seen a app
Apr 12 17:35:47 <lov> yes/nio
Apr 12 17:35:49 <lov> *yes/no
Apr 12 17:35:51 <L337_One> today
Apr 12 17:35:55 <L337_One> led me here
Apr 12 17:36:04 <lov> Are you a developer? Yes/no
Apr 12 17:36:11 <L337_One> yeh
Apr 12 17:36:15 <L337_One> yes\
Apr 12 17:36:18 <lov> are you sure? Do you actually do development?
Apr 12 17:36:22 <lov> Have you programmed anything?
Apr 12 17:36:27 <lov> have you ever been to d.android.com ?
Apr 12 17:36:35 <L337_One> im trying
Apr 12 17:36:39 <lov> because all I'm seeing is "hay guys how do i facebook"
Apr 12 17:36:41 <chups> is it just me or are the the samples for the compatibility package seem to be broken
Apr 12 17:36:47 <lov> and it sounds a helluva lot like you're not actually a developer.
Apr 12 17:36:51 <chups> does*
Apr 12 17:37:02 <L337_One> i dont think i am
Apr 12 17:37:14 <lov> maybe you should not be here then :>
Apr 12 17:37:19 <chups> this really needs to get fixed, samples are suppose to be begginer friendly
Apr 12 17:37:21 <lov> please try #android or #android-root
Apr 12 17:37:33 <readme> or #teen
Apr 12 17:37:47 <chups> lol
Apr 12 17:37:52 <chups> leave leet alone guys
Apr 12 17:38:00 <chups> be friendly
Apr 12 17:38:01 <L337_One> im the guy that protects you pussy while your here at home
Apr 12 17:38:12 <chups> hey leet, no flaming
Apr 12 17:38:14 <birbeck> chups: are there sample apps that wont build on their target version?
Apr 12 17:38:15 <lov> :>
Apr 12 17:38:16 <gabrbedd> chups: yes, the samples seem to be broken.
Apr 12 17:38:23 <aLeSD> mmm I have android:minSdkVersion="10" in my manifest but I am compiling with API 14 . is there some prob ?
Apr 12 17:38:24 <lov> RESUME DEV CONVERSATION.
Apr 12 17:38:29 <radioact1ve> promise not to bother, no way to set a File instance to Context.MODE_PRIVATE without calling openFileOutput()?
Apr 12 17:38:42 <readme> chups: in PM he told me he was 27 and just returned from kandahar, but in such poor grammar that I know he wouldn't have passed the asvab
Apr 12 17:38:46 <gabrbedd> chups: E.g. the "Downloader" sample app is hopelessly broken.
Apr 12 17:38:58 <birbeck> aLeSD: i would set targetSdkVersion="14"
Apr 12 17:39:01 <aLeSD> I use API 14 cause I am customizing Holo theme
Apr 12 17:39:02 <QubeZ> aLeSD: no problem here, i use minSdkVersion 8 and target 15
Apr 12 17:39:03 <chups> gabrbedd, has someone filed this? or something like that
Apr 12 17:39:21 <chups> i'm really concerned about the new comers
Apr 12 17:39:25 <wongk> aLeSD: http://simonvt.net/2012/02/07/what-api-level-should-i-target/
Apr 12 17:39:38 <chups> esp since most apps are going to get revamped for the new android design patterns
Apr 12 17:39:48 <gabrbedd> chups: I don't know if anyone has filed a bug for this.
Apr 12 17:39:49 <chups> it's heartbreaking when google does this
Apr 12 17:39:57 <chups> this also happened to the google maps api tutorial
Apr 12 17:40:04 <chups> ./sob
Apr 12 17:40:05 <wongk> heartbreaking seems extreme :P
Apr 12 17:40:14 <chups> yes wongk
Apr 12 17:40:27 <chups> that's exactly how i feel
Apr 12 17:40:52 <chups> i mean, if they don't take care of the samples, how much more in other more important stuff
Apr 12 17:41:04 <chups> >.<
Apr 12 17:41:29 <chups> makes me feel like they've lost their competitive spirit
Apr 12 17:41:41 <chups> with such a large community
Apr 12 17:41:50 <chups> it needs to be more reactive
Apr 12 17:41:54 <chups> ./sob
Apr 12 17:41:56 <chups> >.<
Apr 12 17:41:57 <gaz`> is there any way to link the html in a webview to your app so for example you click on something in the hmtl file and then u could launch an intent or something?
Apr 12 17:42:23 <chups> o.o
Apr 12 17:42:27 <chups> interesting
Apr 12 17:42:37 <gaz`> yeh it owuld be amazing eh
Apr 12 17:42:41 <chups> i'm thinking callback
Apr 12 17:42:42 <readme> gaz`: use webview client and override the click
Apr 12 17:42:49 <chups> hahaha
Apr 12 17:42:50 <chups> or that
Apr 12 17:42:58 <gaz`> hmm
Apr 12 17:43:04 <gaz`> but how would u know what was clicked on
Apr 12 17:43:11 <readme> it will pass that to you in the callback
Apr 12 17:43:19 <readme> let me take a look
Apr 12 17:43:30 <gaz`> i have a imagemap or something so i need to know they clicked on point A or point B
Apr 12 17:43:32 <gaz`> nice
Apr 12 17:43:36 <gaz`> thats great
Apr 12 17:43:53 <gaz`> or something = over something
Apr 12 17:43:56 <chups> hahaha
Apr 12 17:44:11 <chups> you should appreciate what readme is doing gaz
Apr 12 17:44:13 <readme> oh, you could also use a javascript interface
Apr 12 17:44:15 <chups> other people would use
Apr 12 17:44:19 <chups> "let me google that for you"
Apr 12 17:44:20 <chups> lol
Apr 12 17:44:21 <readme> and just overide the click with jquery in javascript
Apr 12 17:44:30 <gaz`> i am chups but its hard to google infact
Apr 12 17:44:38 <gaz`> hmm
Apr 12 17:45:06 <chups> oow..
Apr 12 17:45:11 <chups> while we're talking about google
Apr 12 17:45:15 <chups> how about some nice tips
Apr 12 17:45:16 <chups> http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators.html
Apr 12 17:45:21 <chups> http://support.google.com/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=136861
Apr 12 17:45:27 <readme> see "binding javascript code to android code"  http://developer.android.com/guide/webapps/webview.html
Apr 12 17:45:38 <gaz`> aha!
Apr 12 17:45:39 <gaz`> thanks
Apr 12 17:45:41 <chups> very useful when searching for exact lines of code
Apr 12 17:46:36 <readme> hard to search when you dont know what you're searching for
Apr 12 17:46:39 <chups>     function showAndroidToast(toast) {
Apr 12 17:46:40 <chups>         Android.showToast(toast);
Apr 12 17:46:40 <chups>     }
Apr 12 17:46:43 <chups> cool!
Apr 12 17:46:51 <readme> i originally learned about javascript interfaces by asking here
Apr 12 17:47:21 <chups> yeah, just like what's happening to me right now
Apr 12 17:47:22 <chups> ^_^
Apr 12 17:47:23 <chups> thanks
Apr 12 17:47:23 <aLeSD> wongk, thanks
Apr 12 17:47:47 <chups> now that i think about it, it pays to read the api
Apr 12 17:47:49 <chups> >.<
Apr 12 17:47:55 <readme> as a rule of thumb if someone has a specific question that I can answer in a couple sentences, I'll just answer
Apr 12 17:48:45 <readme> there's no point in having some sense of pride because you read that info from the docs before they did
Apr 12 17:51:20 <gaz`> wow thats bad ass it works!
Apr 12 17:52:10 <gaz`> it can even help your own understand explaining to people
Apr 12 17:52:30 <gaz`> man thats such an amazingfeature linking js to java
Apr 12 17:52:41 <readme> yeah, I believe that feature is how frameworks like phonegap work
Apr 12 17:53:21 <canadiancow|work> i am the biggest android fanboy slash apple hater in my office
Apr 12 17:53:32 <canadiancow|work> someone came to me for an iphone sim card remover because he couldnt find one
Apr 12 17:53:39 <canadiancow|work> im the only one in the office who has an official one
Apr 12 17:53:40 <canadiancow|work> T_T
Apr 12 17:54:51 <SimonVT> A what? oO
Apr 12 17:55:42 <readme> canadiancow|work: lol, the attiude of ios fanboys
Apr 12 17:55:52 <readme> "it should just work? why do I need to remove the sim card"
Apr 12 17:56:25 <readme> Why isn't there a DEFAULT APP to remove my simcard, that doesnt suck!?
Apr 12 17:57:11 <chouman> hello
Apr 12 17:57:49 <readme> I heard all android devices have the simcard in a different place. So fragmented.
Apr 12 17:58:05 <lov> I've heard some devices DON'T HAVE A SIMCARD
Apr 12 17:58:12 <readme> yeah, mine doesn't
Apr 12 17:58:13 <lov> cdma = FRAGMENTATIONNNN!!!$@T
Apr 12 17:58:14 <louielouie> haha true
Apr 12 17:58:44 <readme> oh wait, I do have a simcard, forgot about that thing.
Apr 12 17:58:56 * readme puts cover back on
Apr 12 18:00:40 <canadiancow|work> tehcnially it's a UICC, and the SIM is an app that lives on it
Apr 12 18:00:56 <canadiancow|work> but whenever i say UICC, people get confused
Apr 12 18:02:37 <birbeck> must be a canadian thing
Apr 12 18:02:45 <birbeck> ;-)
Apr 12 18:04:38 <readme> so separate key for each app, or same key for all?
Apr 12 18:04:50 <readme> is it really that bad for security if I use the same one
Apr 12 18:04:58 <lov> no, it's fine.
Apr 12 18:05:09 <lov> I'd recommend using the same key for all of your apps
Apr 12 18:06:23 <readme> nice
Apr 12 18:06:54 <pfn> it depends on how likely your app is to be bought by a company
Apr 12 18:07:15 <readme> you raise a good point
Apr 12 18:07:33 <readme> so I should use same key for all the apps that I don't plan on selling to anyone
Apr 12 18:07:50 <readme> otherwise, separate
Apr 12 18:07:51 <natrix> canadiancow|work: Good to know :)
Apr 12 18:07:56 <canadiancow|work> wut
Apr 12 18:09:01 <g00s> pfn: if you are selling an app with your key and a company decides they want to buy it, what are the options ?
Apr 12 18:09:07 <natrix> about UICC
Apr 12 18:10:45 <canadiancow|work> g00s: lol
Apr 12 18:10:48 <canadiancow|work> sell all the apps
Apr 12 18:11:00 <canadiancow|work> or offer tosign updates at a fee oF $10k/signing
Apr 12 18:11:02 <readme> one more question, keytool's -validity param... In the app-signing guide it says to use 10000.. that's only a few years
Apr 12 18:11:06 <readme> isn't that value kind of small?
Apr 12 18:11:21 <pfn> g00s, what canadiancow|work said
Apr 12 18:11:28 <readme> I would think maybe infinite or 20 years would be good
Apr 12 18:11:34 <birbeck> readme: personally i use the same keystore with a different key for each app
Apr 12 18:11:34 <pfn> if you think your app has potential to be acquired
Apr 12 18:11:39 <pfn> you might want to think about using a separate key
Apr 12 18:11:51 <lov> readme: I think you misread.
Apr 12 18:12:02 <lov> Keys that expire before 2038 won't be accepted by Market
Apr 12 18:12:11 <lov> (I think 2038?)
Apr 12 18:12:13 <readme> ah
Apr 12 18:12:18 <readme> because of the next epoch?
Apr 12 18:12:26 <readme> oh
Apr 12 18:12:29 * readme facepalms
Apr 12 18:12:34 <pfn> clearly, birbeck has planned ahead
Apr 12 18:12:34 <pfn> heh
Apr 12 18:12:45 <readme> birbeck: i am starting to think to do this as well
Apr 12 18:13:17 * readme will be pushing his first app today
Apr 12 18:13:22 <jeppy> readme, apps signed with the same key can share data
Apr 12 18:13:31 <birbeck> pfn: clearly not, i dont have a plan for post 2038
Apr 12 18:13:45 <birbeck> i guess you can still renew a cert
Apr 12 18:14:07 <pfn> kinda not really
Apr 12 18:15:00 <readme> ah, 10000 is totally enough days. sorry, my immortality confused me for a bit
Apr 12 18:15:59 <canadiancow|work> are notifications only allowed one line of text?
Apr 12 18:16:05 <canadiancow|work> seems like theres enough room for a headline and two lines :(
Apr 12 18:16:57 <g00s> so, lets say a company decides they want to buy an app you wrote, after you have been distributing it for a while. would you delist the app so they can realist it under their own developer account ?
Apr 12 18:17:10 <canadiancow|work> you can transfer it to their account
Apr 12 18:17:18 <canadiancow|work> just email ev***@google.com
Apr 12 18:17:19 <SimonVT> And lose all they users? No you wouldn't
Apr 12 18:18:15 <readme> canadiancow|work: you can use a custom layout for notifications
Apr 12 18:18:17 <lov> company wants to buy the app you wrote, they'll give you enough money that you can just abandon the account :P
Apr 12 18:18:34 <g00s> i don't want to abandon the account
Apr 12 18:18:34 <canadiancow|work> readme yea, im just wondering about the default
Apr 12 18:18:39 <canadiancow|work> playing around with ICS stuff :)
Apr 12 18:18:43 <lov> serious answer is that google can probably transfer ownership.
Apr 12 18:19:04 <canadiancow|work> [14:17:10] <canadiancow|work> you can transfer it to their account [14:17:18] <canadiancow|work> just email ev***@google.com
Apr 12 18:19:13 <canadiancow|work> but then you still have the signing key issue
Apr 12 18:19:13 <readme> heh
Apr 12 18:19:29 <g00s> lot, ok you are right. they have a form
Apr 12 18:19:31 <g00s> *lov
Apr 12 18:19:58 <g00s> does evancharlton work on the market ? :D
Apr 12 18:20:06 <lov> canadiancow|work: I'll give away the GPS Notification key and source for 10k :>
Apr 12 18:20:10 <lov> is Zynga buying?
Apr 12 18:20:15 <canadiancow|work> that? no
Apr 12 18:20:18 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 18:20:18 <lov> :(
Apr 12 18:20:23 <g00s> hehe
Apr 12 18:20:24 <canadiancow|work> also: i bet i could build one in a day
Apr 12 18:20:28 <canadiancow|work> which would cost them << $10k
Apr 12 18:20:36 <lov> that's true, you probably could.
Apr 12 18:20:39 <canadiancow|work> as much as id like to think im worth 10k/day
Apr 12 18:20:56 <lov> actually it'd probably take you like a week, just for testing/etc.
Apr 12 18:20:59 * Jug6ernaut thinks canadiancow|work should hire jug6ernaut
Apr 12 18:21:14 <canadiancow|work> Jug6ernaut, send me a resume...
Apr 12 18:21:19 <canadiancow|work> ok lov, i make less than 10k/week
Apr 12 18:21:20 <canadiancow|work> :P
Apr 12 18:21:21 * Jug6ernaut needs to make one of thos
Apr 12 18:23:53 <readme> Jug6ernaut: so i finally got my ssl stuff fixed, but it is fickle on the emulator no matter what
Apr 12 18:24:07 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 18:24:09 <readme> it seems depending on how the emulator is feeling, it decides not to trust my cert
Apr 12 18:24:18 <Jug6ernaut> :\
Apr 12 18:24:19 <readme> but it was working for my last test runs yesterday
Apr 12 18:24:56 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 18:24:59 * Jug6ernaut hates shit like that
Apr 12 18:25:01 <Jug6ernaut> kinda works
Apr 12 18:25:02 <Jug6ernaut> kinda doesnt
Apr 12 18:25:15 <readme> on the device it's solid
Apr 12 18:25:31 <readme> i just wish I had more test devices.. I will have to ship and see what happens.
Apr 12 18:25:48 <Jug6ernaut> readme well, that is one(of many) that i do all of my main testing on a physical device
Apr 12 18:25:58 <Jug6ernaut> readme, you & me both :(
Apr 12 18:26:09 <readme> only reason I had to use the emulator was because I needed the ability to mock phone calls from any number
Apr 12 18:26:11 <kmicinski> readme: or pay a lot for one of those shiny testing services
Apr 12 18:26:18 <Jug6ernaut> dont do anything with LED, shit is different for each OEM, and even devices within OEM...
Apr 12 18:26:30 <readme> kmicinski: yeah, I'll definitely consider that
Apr 12 18:26:36 <readme> Jug6ernaut: funny you should mention that
Apr 12 18:26:41 <readme> my device does use LED
Apr 12 18:26:49 <Jug6ernaut> program*?
Apr 12 18:26:52 <readme> yes
Apr 12 18:26:53 <lov> Jug6ernaut: if you can remake gps notification, send it to me along with your resume :P
Apr 12 18:26:57 <readme> except it doesn't use the physical LED, it uses an LED style font :)
Apr 12 18:27:13 <Jug6ernaut> readme lol
Apr 12 18:27:18 <bit_reaper> Hey guys I am having trouble getting all of an aps' files off my phone.  I clear the data and uninstall the app reboot and if i reinstall the game it will log me into the game. So it must be storing some information somewhere on the phone. Any ideas
Apr 12 18:27:18 <Jug6ernaut> lov gps notification?
Apr 12 18:28:12 <Jug6ernaut> lol...bit_reaper...need more info
Apr 12 18:28:28 <Jug6ernaut> probably check sdcard
Apr 12 18:28:34 <chouman> anyone know how draw something capture the draw action from a user?
Apr 12 18:28:39 <lov> hey bit_reaper, maybe you should go to #android or #android-root
Apr 12 18:28:48 <bit_reaper> Jug6ernaut - what more do you need
Apr 12 18:28:55 <Jug6ernaut> chouman probably time-stampmed touch inputs if i had ot guess
Apr 12 18:29:02 <lov> that said, the data could be: On the SD card, backed up to the cloud, or something else!
Apr 12 18:29:24 <Jug6ernaut> anywhere really lol
Apr 12 18:29:25 <chouman> Jug6ernaut: so they are not actually doing a video capture then
Apr 12 18:29:30 <Jug6ernaut> highly doubt it
Apr 12 18:30:06 <chouman> i see
Apr 12 18:30:25 <Jug6ernaut> actually im 100% sure they arnt doing video capture :P
Apr 12 18:30:37 <Estragon> they just do like in paint / gimp
Apr 12 18:30:40 <Jug6ernaut> badwidth required & resources required woudl be redic
Apr 12 18:30:48 <chouman> true
Apr 12 18:31:10 <radioact1ve> is it possible to have an FileOutputStream and FileInputStream to the same file?
Apr 12 18:31:43 <Snuffel> probably but i have no idea how that would work properly
Apr 12 18:31:57 <gaz`> i think youd have to stop writing to read and vice versa
Apr 12 18:32:02 <gaz`> so not concurrent
Apr 12 18:32:06 <radioact1ve> thats what i thought
Apr 12 18:32:08 <gaz`> but almost
Apr 12 18:32:30 <radioact1ve> anyway to set a File to MODE_PRIVATE?
Apr 12 18:33:05 <radioact1ve> without openFileOutput()?
Apr 12 18:33:22 <Jug6ernaut> radioact1ve depends on api version i believe
Apr 12 18:33:57 <radioact1ve> Jug6ernaut: 8 and up
Apr 12 18:34:15 <readme> radioact1ve: https://github.com/tom-dignan/android-media-capture/blob/master/src/com/adeptdev/android/libs/mediacapture/MediaCaptureService.java look what i do line 137-153
Apr 12 18:34:26 <Jug6ernaut> radioact1ve you want for <8 im guessing?
Apr 12 18:36:17 <g00s> http://liliputing.com/2012/04/intel-retina-laptop-desktop-displays-coming-in-2013.html
Apr 12 18:36:46 <pfn> sounds silly
Apr 12 18:36:48 <radioact1ve> readme: thanks, that looks good. going to try that!
Apr 12 18:37:04 <birbeck> retina lol
Apr 12 18:37:25 <asterisk-Tester> hello, i am following this tutorial : http://mhandroid.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/using-eclipse-for-android-cc-development/ and it went mostly well except for 1 thing, eclipse is still complaining abt EGL_DEFAULT_DISPLAY could not be resolved
Apr 12 18:37:30 <Jug6ernaut> can we please
Apr 12 18:37:34 <Jug6ernaut> please stop saying retina
Apr 12 18:37:37 <Jug6ernaut> as if it mean something?
Apr 12 18:37:49 <birbeck> thats why i lol'd
Apr 12 18:38:00 <asterisk-Tester> although ctrl + clikcing it takes me to the definition in egl.h
Apr 12 18:38:12 <asterisk-Tester> any ideas ?
Apr 12 18:38:14 <g00s> uh, get over 'retina'.
Apr 12 18:38:44 <g00s> besides, when people say 'tablet' they mean iPad usually :D
Apr 12 18:39:17 * Drakonite wants a 300PPI 24" monitor
Apr 12 18:39:25 <readme> IMO, google is the one with a "retina display"
Apr 12 18:39:28 <readme> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/technology/google-glasses-will-be-powered-by-android.html
Apr 12 18:39:36 <readme> where are apple's virtual reality glasses?
Apr 12 18:39:43 <g00s> jobs thought it was a stupid idea
Apr 12 18:39:44 <canadiancow|work> fuck that
Apr 12 18:39:56 <g00s> and i don't need google serving me ads while i am walking around
Apr 12 18:40:02 <birbeck> Drakonite: the best 24" display i have ever seen is the sony playstation 3d display
Apr 12 18:40:03 <readme> dude, just install adblock
Apr 12 18:40:07 <readme> ;P
Apr 12 18:40:16 <birbeck> Drakonite: i have two on my desk at home
Apr 12 18:40:17 <canadiancow|work> g00s, do you think that will happen?
Apr 12 18:40:22 <canadiancow|work> do random ads show up in android?
Apr 12 18:40:26 <canadiancow|work> as you're walking around?
Apr 12 18:40:38 <canadiancow|work> i guess airpush...but that's not google
Apr 12 18:40:40 <g00s> canadiancow|work: why else would an advertising company invest in this?
Apr 12 18:40:44 <readme> google has always been highly conservative with their advertising
Apr 12 18:40:46 <g00s> silly :D
Apr 12 18:40:50 <readme> not with their data collection, but
Apr 12 18:41:06 <Drakonite> birbeck: They were 50% off on amazon a couple weeks back... I found out less than a half hour after they sold out... probably a good thing as I would have been tempted to buy one.
Apr 12 18:41:10 <ANdi``> Hi.. have a little question.. is there sth equivalent to android:inputType = "numeric" for floating point numbers ?
Apr 12 18:41:35 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 18:41:37 <birbeck> Drakonite: i just got a second one at gamestop for $299
Apr 12 18:41:45 <birbeck> not as good as 50% off, but a steal
Apr 12 18:41:58 <Drakonite> yeah, gamestop probably did steal them from someone
Apr 12 18:42:32 <g00s> readme: i bet the glasses would feed back usage data to google, like, what you are looking at :) fuuuck that
Apr 12 18:42:48 <Drakonite> also, I don't know how to interpret your comment, as the vast majority of monitors are pieces of shit because people don't know better :)   I actually buy high end monitors...
Apr 12 18:42:56 <birbeck> Drakonite: i dont know why they dont sell well, its a 24" 1080P 240Hz 1MS LED 3DTV, i beg anyone to find a better monitor for $399
Apr 12 18:43:06 <readme> ANdi``: just to be a pedant, when you're entering a decimal number into an EditText, it doesn't become floating point until you read it, convert it from a string, and store the result in a float.
Apr 12 18:43:47 <readme> g00s: of course they will
Apr 12 18:43:52 <ANdi``> ok ^^
Apr 12 18:43:54 <Jug6ernaut> gamestop, gamekeygoing
Apr 12 18:43:55 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 18:43:55 <Jug6ernaut> g00s custom rom obviously :P
Apr 12 18:43:55 <Jug6ernaut> root it
Apr 12 18:43:55 <Jug6ernaut> xD
Apr 12 18:43:55 <Jug6ernaut> maybe he wants to limit input?
Apr 12 18:43:55 <Jug6ernaut> to numbers & .
Apr 12 18:44:04 <Drakonite> birbeck: what kind of display tech?
Apr 12 18:44:24 <birbeck> i have no idea what the panel is, but its georgeous
Apr 12 18:44:34 <readme> ANdi``: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/InputType.html#TYPE_NUMBER_FLAG_DECIMAL
Apr 12 18:45:29 <XeruX> I've got this canvas which the user adds images/text to. The user can move the images/text around on the canvas, and when the image/text is moved outside of the canvas, the canvas SHOULD expand (and let the user pan around).. googled, but didn't find anything useful. Any ideas?
Apr 12 18:45:36 <XeruX> or could someone point me in the right direction?
Apr 12 18:45:46 <ANdi``> readme my english isnt that great.." allowing a decimal point to provide fractional values." = sth like "5,5" ?
Apr 12 18:45:53 * Jug6ernaut wants oled tv
Apr 12 18:46:03 <readme> ANdi``: in the US, we use '.' as a decimal point
Apr 12 18:46:16 <readme> so I don't know. i hope it is locale dependent but I doubt it
Apr 12 18:46:40 <ANdi``> ok thx
Apr 12 18:46:41 <birbeck> Drakonite: generally sony is never the best value, but they really deliver with this thing. the big annoyance though is its auto power feature, turns off the monitor in 5 seconds without a signal, so you cant reboot without the monitors shutting off
Apr 12 18:47:04 <Drakonite> birbeck: it's a 300$ (was $500) 24" tv.  people don't care much about 3d right now
Apr 12 18:47:15 <Jug6ernaut> birbeck ur reboot takes more then 5mins :o
Apr 12 18:47:31 <Jug6ernaut> yea..3d...ehh
Apr 12 18:47:32 <birbeck> 5s
Apr 12 18:47:45 <birbeck> Drakonite: i dont care about the 3d, its just a great monitor
Apr 12 18:47:50 <Jug6ernaut> ooo
Apr 12 18:47:53 <Jug6ernaut> birbeck my bad
Apr 12 18:48:06 <Drakonite> it's marketed as a display for a PS3
Apr 12 18:48:36 <birbeck> yeah, but it works with anything with an hdmi or component output, says pc and mac compatible on the box
Apr 12 18:48:55 <Drakonite> but they marketed it heavily as a ps3 display.  that hurts the sales :P
Apr 12 18:48:57 <birbeck> i have another one hooked up to my game seat dedicated for gt5
Apr 12 18:49:14 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 18:49:32 <birbeck> when sitting in my game seat with face 2.5ft from the screen its a good size, but any further and its too small for general gaming
Apr 12 18:49:52 <Jug6ernaut> i hate 1 stars...they are like stabs to my heart
Apr 12 18:49:58 <birbeck> thats what a 56" samsung is for :)
Apr 12 18:50:34 <birbeck> Jug6ernaut: yeah, especially when its because of something out of your control
Apr 12 18:50:35 <Drakonite> I have a 46" XBR8, but in my new living room I wish I would have spent extra for the 56" version
Apr 12 18:51:12 <birbeck> Jug6ernaut: i went from a solid 5-star rating for 9 months down to a low 4 in a few days because of an error on starbucks servers
Apr 12 18:51:18 <birbeck> after that i stopped giving a shit
Apr 12 18:51:40 <Drakonite> needs better system for handling ratings
Apr 12 18:51:50 <birbeck> i had only had 5 one star reviews prior to that and it shot up to 22 in a single day
Apr 12 18:51:53 <Jug6ernaut> birbeck :(
Apr 12 18:51:55 <Drakonite> add replies and a way to get rid of obvious junk reviews
Apr 12 18:52:18 <Jug6ernaut> Drakonite they need to add a way to reply to comments imo
Apr 12 18:52:19 <readme> Drakonite: at least now you can select whether a review was helpful, unhelpful, or spam
Apr 12 18:52:19 <Drakonite> "ransom" 1 stars shouldn't be allowed for example.  (e.g. "I'll give you 5 stars if you add my worthless feature")
Apr 12 18:52:21 <androverso> has someone ever heard of following critical error: waitForCondition(LockCondition) timed out (identity=192, status=0). CPU may be pegged. ??? it kills my app every time and leads to a reboot of the system! :/
Apr 12 18:52:31 <readme> when I see unfair reviews I flag them as unhelpful
Apr 12 18:52:44 <oGMo> or a prominent "report issues" button along with per-version reviews being weighted differently
Apr 12 18:53:17 <SandPaper> i need a good ebook for android learning
Apr 12 18:53:32 <birbeck> what i hate is that people will go to the market to 1-star, and not even notice the big update button and the notes saying that the update fixes the issue
Apr 12 18:53:43 <Chainfire> I've been unable to publish updates the last few hours
Apr 12 18:53:44 <oGMo> and it would be helpful if, for apps you've reviewed in the past at 1-3 stars, it popped up a notification saying you had reviews to update
Apr 12 18:53:46 <Chainfire> anybody else having this problem ?
Apr 12 18:54:00 <birbeck> even 2 months after my last update because of starbucks server changes i am still getting reviews from people that havent updated
Apr 12 18:54:01 <readme> SandPaper: try safari
Apr 12 18:54:09 <oGMo> birbeck: lame
Apr 12 18:54:18 <Drakonite> and when reviewers are getting flagged, they stop being counted toward the average, and can be flat out banned from reviewing
Apr 12 18:54:28 <SandPaper> cant spend money, i will try to download from net
Apr 12 18:54:39 <readme> SandPaper: that was a hint, not to ask for pirated books, but you failed to get it
Apr 12 18:54:47 <SandPaper> safari and amazon are not free
Apr 12 18:54:50 <readme> you will get flamed. just torrent to your lonesome.
Apr 12 18:54:51 <oGMo> Drakonite: that would mean you just hire a bunch of clickmonkeys to go through and flag all low reviews and presto, everything's 5-star
Apr 12 18:54:54 <readme> no shit dick tracy!
Apr 12 18:55:26 <Drakonite> oGMo: weight against people with low numbers of reviews and/or no purchased apps?
Apr 12 18:55:34 <Drakonite> they already do that btw
Apr 12 18:55:49 <oGMo> Drakonite: that's not enough
Apr 12 18:55:53 <Drakonite> places pay for 5 stars and will exploit the system to give 1 star to their competitors
Apr 12 18:56:00 <oGMo> sure
Apr 12 18:56:04 <readme> where can I buy a 5star?
Apr 12 18:56:05 <Drakonite> "not enough" and "do nothing at all" are different though
Apr 12 18:56:27 <readme> Not much different from any other place with ratings.. (Hotels, restaurants)
Apr 12 18:56:35 <oGMo> that's a start, but if you dont' nag people to update their reviews between versions, and weight prior versions less, you'll always be haunted by old 1*s
Apr 12 18:56:39 <Drakonite> I agree, there needs to be a better solution, and I don't have an optimal suggestion
Apr 12 18:56:44 <readme> i think I like it better than having a BDFL of the market, though.
Apr 12 18:56:51 <Drakonite> BDFL?
Apr 12 18:56:59 <readme> benevolent dictator for life
Apr 12 18:57:04 <Drakonite> ah
Apr 12 18:57:06 <oGMo> (but you can't remove them, or that'd be exploited too by lots of tiny releases)
Apr 12 18:57:16 <oGMo> readme: oh hell yeah
Apr 12 18:57:26 <Drakonite> if you're willing to spend enough, I think it'd be hard to not find someone who would give a 5 star review
Apr 12 18:57:33 <oGMo> readme: as a user, for me the * rating isn't always necessarily telling
Apr 12 18:58:25 <readme> oGMo: what i think is that we need a way to: remove apps from the market that have very low ratings, automatically. take away the rating privileges of serial raters who one star everything because of childhood trauma. Both solutions could be simple scripts.
Apr 12 18:58:57 <readme> if you have 99% one star, your app should just get pruned.
Apr 12 18:59:02 <oGMo> readme: eh maybe
Apr 12 18:59:19 <readme> 99% of the one stars i read though are unfair reviews
Apr 12 18:59:22 <readme> so that needs to be solved first
Apr 12 18:59:30 <birbeck> show no rating at all for <50 downloads?
Apr 12 18:59:47 <readme> yeah, that is a good idea
Apr 12 19:00:16 <oGMo> i thought they already did that
Apr 12 19:00:20 <Drakonite> early ratings are needed to get past that early mark
Apr 12 19:01:58 <birbeck> if im realeasing a new app, generally i have enough beta users to give it some initial good reviews, a twitter/fb/g+ page already pimping it, and a android blog or two lined up to review it
Apr 12 19:02:39 <wongk> then you're not the typical developer :P
Apr 12 19:03:13 <readme> birbeck: care to share your twitter/g+? I'm releasing an app today and I'm not very established there yet.. I've got 2 guaranteed customers, so far
Apr 12 19:03:21 <readme> (the developer of the api, and my girlfriend) :)
Apr 12 19:03:54 <birbeck> readme, well my fb and g+ are pretty bare actually :)
Apr 12 19:04:15 <birbeck> messaged you though
Apr 12 19:04:19 <readme> oh, awesome
Apr 12 19:05:02 <birbeck> readme: you can contact a few blogs to get them to test, add them to your beta releases
Apr 12 19:05:14 <Drakonite> what are good blogs to talk to?
Apr 12 19:05:20 <birbeck> readme: and set up a hockeykit server for dist
Apr 12 19:05:23 <mads-> the first app I made gave a quote from a list I had made in an xml file. If I have the apk file can I somehow drag the XML data out from it? I have lost the source for the app
Apr 12 19:05:47 <birbeck> Drakonite: any that will care to listen, depending on the type of app different editors will want to try it out
Apr 12 19:06:05 <wongk> mads-: apk is zip
Apr 12 19:06:20 <Drakonite> birbeck: ok, read my question again, and pretend I just don't know of any blogs at all :P
Apr 12 19:06:30 <readme> birbeck: thanks for the tips, I am writing that down
Apr 12 19:07:13 <birbeck> Drakonite: umm, android central, android police, droid life, phandroid, etc.
Apr 12 19:07:17 <mads-> wongk: awesome. thanks
Apr 12 19:08:53 <Drakonite> I hadn't seen hockeykit before... it supports android?
Apr 12 19:09:03 <birbeck> yeah
Apr 12 19:09:52 <birbeck> you can plug their sdk in to your beta builds to collect stats, whos running which version and get bug reports
Apr 12 19:10:16 <Drakonite> cool
Apr 12 19:10:19 <birbeck> and its a simple place to put up your apks for beta users to download instead of emailing them all the time
Apr 12 19:10:24 <Drakonite> guess I took too long to make my system them
Apr 12 19:10:26 <Drakonite> *then
Apr 12 19:12:23 * hackkitten idly prepares to release a new Android game :D
Apr 12 19:17:10 <ANdi``> is it somehow possible to activate a contextmenu on a normal click ? (not only long click) ?
Apr 12 19:18:36 <QubeZ> ANdi``: possibly but that goes against Android-style, wouldn't the user get confused?
Apr 12 19:18:50 <QubeZ> why not use quick action menu or actionbar for options?
Apr 12 19:20:17 <ANdi``> QubeZ quick action menu ? actionbar ? didnt know that those exist ^^
Apr 12 19:20:20 <jeppy> the big bad wolf
Apr 12 19:20:52 <Drakonite> hackkitten: \o/
Apr 12 19:21:17 <QubeZ> ANdi``: check it out, probably will fit your design better than trying to make contextmenu using short-click
Apr 12 19:21:55 <hackkitten> :3
Apr 12 19:22:11 * hackkitten tries to remember how to create a signed APK after not releasing anything in like a year D:
Apr 12 19:22:18 <ANdi``> QubeZ i have a list of items and want to provide a possibility to edit or delete an item
Apr 12 19:23:23 <wongk> hackkitten: eclipse?
Apr 12 19:24:32 <QubeZ> ANdi``: why not overlay an X icon on your listview item so users can delete from there?
Apr 12 19:24:48 <QubeZ> to edit, you can use long-press contextmenu... I think users prefer that as it follows the pattern of many apps
Apr 12 19:25:53 <ANdi``> QubeZ so u mean a simple press on the listitem would delete it ?
Apr 12 19:26:07 <hackkitten> wongk > yeah, trying to remember the password of the keystore ATM :(
Apr 12 19:26:26 <Drakonite> ghir67sAS
Apr 12 19:26:27 <wongk> hackkitten: aww, well i can't help you with that :P
Apr 12 19:26:58 <g00s> labaradors ftw ! http://zoodiary.com/labrador-retriever-adopts-duckling/
Apr 12 19:27:07 <hackkitten> mew :3
Apr 12 19:27:07 <QubeZ> ANdi``: no, you can make a simple press go to Edit and in the ListView item, have a delete image overlayed and make that clickable using your adapter so user can delete the item directly from there
Apr 12 19:27:12 * hackkitten adopts g00s
Apr 12 19:27:19 <g00s> :)
Apr 12 19:27:40 <nebkat> ctate: haha it worked :D
Apr 12 19:27:42 <nebkat> widget binded
Apr 12 19:27:43 <nebkat> I/ActivityManager(  213): Start proc com.android.deskclock for broadcast com.android.deskclock/com.android.alarmclock.AnalogAppWidgetProvider: pid=7823 uid=10012 gids={}
Apr 12 19:27:50 <g00s> uh, another kindle book on amazon more expensive than the paperback. fuuuu
Apr 12 19:28:05 <pfn> yeah, it's all so fucked up
Apr 12 19:28:07 <pfn> I hate ebooks
Apr 12 19:28:14 * g00s is not paying $42 for a drm's pile of shit
Apr 12 19:28:24 <wongk> that's redonkulous
Apr 12 19:28:42 <ANdi``> QubeZ ok thx
Apr 12 19:30:25 <brobzilla> JakeWharton: I'm using ABS and I'm seeing an issue which I think is github:279.  Do you have any suggestions or a work around for right now?
Apr 12 19:30:35 <JakeWharton> link
Apr 12 19:31:03 * hackkitten cries because she forgot her keystore pass ;_;
Apr 12 19:31:21 <dj987> hello - I'm having a bit of a strange issue with a native portion of my application -- anyone familiar with using the ndk?
Apr 12 19:31:44 <Drakonite> "Ask your question, don't ask to ask"
Apr 12 19:32:07 <brobzilla> JakeWharton: http://goo.gl/BrlVH this is the link to issue
Apr 12 19:33:07 <JakeWharton> config changes are not supported
Apr 12 19:33:25 <JakeWharton> handling*
Apr 12 19:34:13 <brobzilla> are you working on a fix? or you won't ever do that with ABS?
Apr 12 19:34:24 <dj987> I make calls to the Android logging facility from the native portion of my app (through the functions in <android/log.h>) -- the log messages show up properly when working with the emulator, but do not universally show up when working with a physical device.  Thoughts on why this may be?
Apr 12 19:34:49 <JakeWharton> Not currently working on it
Apr 12 19:34:57 <g00s> maybe i don't seem to work the way got wants me to work; what is the best way to hop between multiple half finished branches stuff that is modified? i bet linus would tell me i'm an idiot for wanting to do this. is hg better in this regard ?
Apr 12 19:34:59 <JakeWharton> bug fixes are top priority
Apr 12 19:35:02 <g00s> *git
Apr 12 19:35:09 <JakeWharton> Google says handling configuration changes is a last resort
Apr 12 19:35:32 <JakeWharton> If I find the time, I'll get around to it
Apr 12 19:35:38 <JakeWharton> but it may not be for a month or two or three
Apr 12 19:35:54 <brobzilla> yeah, I know we really shouldn't be handling the onConfigurationChange ourselves.
Apr 12 19:36:07 <wongk> g00s: commit your work before hopping
Apr 12 19:36:17 <g00s> i'm not ready to commit though
Apr 12 19:36:18 <jeppy> it has bugs when you rotate screen, or only if you try to handle the config change (in manifest)?
Apr 12 19:36:22 <cooldman224> Yeah I had that issue. I handle the configuration change with onSaveInstanceState
Apr 12 19:36:42 <wongk> g00s: what is required in order for you to be ready?
Apr 12 19:36:53 <brobzilla> would it be a really big change?  Could I fork you on github and maybe fix it?
Apr 12 19:36:58 <g00s> ready for what? the rapture ?
Apr 12 19:37:04 <wongk> to commit
Apr 12 19:37:19 <wongk> what you just said you weren't ready for
Apr 12 19:37:37 <g00s> i just don't like committing stuff that isn't ready to be committed , just to babysit this damn tool
Apr 12 19:37:46 <Drakonite> g00s: the idea with git and hg both is that you should have a branch for your current changes and check it in regardless of whether it works or not, and just keep switching branches
Apr 12 19:37:53 <wongk> define "ready to be committed"
Apr 12 19:38:14 <wongk> if it builds, it's ready to be committed
Apr 12 19:38:20 <g00s> Drakonite: so hg works the same way, then … in how it manages the working copy ?
Apr 12 19:38:34 <SimonVT> It's always ready to commit if it's just a feature branch
Apr 12 19:38:41 <canadiancow|work> wongk, i dont know if i'd take it that far
Apr 12 19:38:46 <wongk> i would
Apr 12 19:38:47 <g00s> i'm used to other tools where i could have multiple working copies on the filesystem simultaneously
Apr 12 19:38:47 <SimonVT> You can just squash it into a single commit if you want to keep your dev branch "clean"
Apr 12 19:38:53 <wongk> that's what branches are for
Apr 12 19:39:03 <g00s> SimonVT: is the squashing 'rebase' ?
Apr 12 19:39:07 <SimonVT> yes
Apr 12 19:39:11 <g00s> k, thx
Apr 12 19:39:14 <wongk> g00s: you can, clone into another directory
Apr 12 19:39:17 <Drakonite> ugh... altering history is bad!
Apr 12 19:39:48 <wongk> but i would say you're using the tool incorrectly :P
Apr 12 19:39:48 <Drakonite> hg is pretty similar how it handles it.  there were minor differences IIRC but it's been too long since I've spent time with it
Apr 12 19:40:20 <Drakonite> if you need two working copies, you can create a copy and then just push changes between them... ;)
Apr 12 19:40:31 <Drakonite> oh, wongk just said that
Apr 12 19:41:01 <g00s> Drakonite: you mean clone, do stuff, and then push those changes back to the original repo? i'm totally new at this :)
Apr 12 19:41:06 <vasilakisfil> hi! I have a question: How can i start the android emulator and at the same time install an .apk in this emulator, all these from command line ? The problem is that, when the emulator starts i cannot run any other command
Apr 12 19:41:42 <wongk> your emulator sounds borken
Apr 12 19:42:08 <vasilakisfil> why ?
Apr 12 19:42:23 <wongk> because you say you can't run any other command after it starts
Apr 12 19:42:29 <wongk> or im misinterpreting you
Apr 12 19:43:24 <vasilakisfil> how can I since the progam(emulator) does not end after I execute the command ~/android-sdk-r17/tools/emulator -avd NewPhone -scale 0.41
Apr 12 19:43:41 <wongk> oh my
Apr 12 19:43:48 <wongk> add an & at the end
Apr 12 19:43:52 <wongk> or open a new terminal
Apr 12 19:44:03 <vasilakisfil> well that's the point
Apr 12 19:44:12 <Drakonite> g00s: yeah... you'd clone it to create a new working directory, and then you can have two different branches with their own working directories that don't need to have changes committed to switch.  you'd then use push or fetch/pull to sync the changes between the two effectively different repos
Apr 12 19:44:16 <vasilakisfil> i want to do ALL these from a makefile :P
Apr 12 19:44:39 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: around?
Apr 12 19:44:48 <wongk> i got nothin
Apr 12 19:44:55 <canadiancow|work> yea JakeWharton
Apr 12 19:45:00 <JakeWharton> canadiancow|work: http://actionbar.posterous.com/
Apr 12 19:45:34 <vasilakisfil> thanx anyway
Apr 12 19:45:48 <canadiancow|work> JakeWharton aww i was hoping they would have done some design work for me :P
Apr 12 19:46:01 <wongk> i might start by examining how eclipse knows when it can install the apk
Apr 12 19:46:11 <Drakonite> g00s: not really how it's intended to be used.. .but i think they are goofy with how they expect branches used anyways
Apr 12 19:46:30 <g00s> yeah, i'm sure linus thinks i'm doing it wrong
Apr 12 19:46:55 <Drakonite> screw linus
Apr 12 19:47:18 <g00s> hehe, indeed
Apr 12 19:47:20 * abaratican would screw linus.
Apr 12 19:47:35 <Drakonite> after some of the BS he has spouted....  I don't care about a damn thing he says
Apr 12 19:48:02 <jeppy> Drakonite: like what
Apr 12 19:49:33 <abaratican> JakeWharton: ABS 4.0 ftw, and your demos app is also awesome.
Apr 12 19:50:06 <Drakonite> I don't have links to any specific ones handy, but there are quite a few related to git that ticked me off when he said them a while back, and was when I started ignoring him entirely :P
Apr 12 19:50:25 <GuySoft> hey all, might anyone have an explanation to what is causing this crash on my emulator?: http://nopaste.dk/p4986
Apr 12 19:51:26 <readme> GuySoft: does your emulator have a google account configured
Apr 12 19:51:34 <GuySoft> readme, no
Apr 12 19:51:48 <GuySoft> readme, its crashing on that?
Apr 12 19:51:48 <readme> c2dm requires a google account. without further analysis, i'm gonna say go do that and try again
Apr 12 19:52:01 <GuySoft> readme, ok thanks :)
Apr 12 19:53:40 <JakeWharton> abaratican: haha thanks
Apr 12 19:57:53 * hackkitten got her new game published after a struggle with keystore and new google site
Apr 12 19:57:54 <hackkitten> (o/
Apr 12 19:57:56 <hackkitten> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nyanko.heimen_no_heiwa
Apr 12 20:00:44 <fanno> can i in androind 1.5 change zoom of a webview to create "zoom to fit" (width) ?
Apr 12 20:01:18 <canadiancow|work> why are you using android 1.5
Apr 12 20:01:20 <fanno> mWebView.setInitialScale(....);  don't seem to work or i am using it wrong
Apr 12 20:01:44 <PressedWeb> Hey guys, I'm a complete newb to developing apps
Apr 12 20:01:45 <fanno> client wants to support it
Apr 12 20:01:58 <PressedWeb> Anyone care to explain some of the basics or point me towards some helpful articles?
Apr 12 20:02:12 <g00s> hackkitten: "REQUIRES ANDROID: 2.2 and up" <-- froyo few !
Apr 12 20:02:14 <canadiancow|work> this is where you use your knwoledge to educate the client
Apr 12 20:02:15 <g00s> *ftw
Apr 12 20:02:19 <g00s> damn colloqueueueuey
Apr 12 20:02:25 <PressedWeb> I'd like to develop websites/apps for Apple/Android mobile devices, but I has no idea where to start.
Apr 12 20:02:46 <canadiancow|work> this channel is more for native android apps
Apr 12 20:02:50 <g00s> PressedWeb: so mobile web? plenty of books on that to get started
Apr 12 20:03:01 <hackkitten> g00s > 2.1 users should realize that they really should join the modern age :D
Apr 12 20:03:09 <PressedWeb> Most of them are geared towards either Android or Apple.
Apr 12 20:03:12 <jeppy> PressedWeb: http://d.android.com
Apr 12 20:03:13 <g00s> hackkitten: indeed :D
Apr 12 20:03:47 <PressedWeb> I think I read somewhere where there was something called Apptanium or something that let you code up HTML/CSS/JS and it would convert it to Android/Apple apps for you.
Apr 12 20:04:06 <PressedWeb> *Appcelerator
Apr 12 20:05:11 <fanno> canadiancow that may be so but why dont setInitialScale work ?
Apr 12 20:05:27 <jeppy> PressedWeb: we develop android using the app framework or ndk, not appcelerator
Apr 12 20:06:04 <PressedWeb> I see
Apr 12 20:06:48 <PressedWeb> Appreciate the help guys. I'll go check out some books on the subject. Any good "mobile beginner" books you'd suggest?
Apr 12 20:07:35 <jeppy> PressedWeb: afaik, you will probably need to approach android and iphone differently
Apr 12 20:08:23 <PressedWeb> Crap.
Apr 12 20:08:35 <PressedWeb> Was really hoping I could sneak by with HTML5/CSS3/JS
Apr 12 20:08:53 <jeppy> you would probably have better luck getting separate books for each one. but for android, http://d.android.com will get you started
Apr 12 20:09:13 <cooldman224> I have two listfragments in action bar tabs, i select items from list2 to add to list1. they are added but they only show up if i restart the activity or if data already exists in list1 (don't understand that). So is there a way to call notifydatasetchanged or do I need to use add/remove of FragmentTransaction in my ActionBar.TabListener instead attach/detach?
Apr 12 20:09:50 <jeppy> PressedWeb: http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/hello-webview.html
Apr 12 20:09:56 <pfn> PressedWeb, to get started, I always recommend learning the language basics first
Apr 12 20:10:07 <pfn> PressedWeb, to that end, I would recommend the books thinking in java and java concurrency in practice
Apr 12 20:10:19 <pfn> once you master those books, attacking the android sdk is quite the cakewalk
Apr 12 20:13:09 <birbeck> java concurrency is a good one
Apr 12 20:13:53 <birbeck> ctate should write an authourative book on android services and threads
Apr 12 20:14:09 <ctate> d.android.com
Apr 12 20:14:09 <mikedg> threads are threads, what's to know?
Apr 12 20:14:11 <ctate> FTFY.
Apr 12 20:14:19 <mikedg> dont do stuff in threads that it says not to do it in
Apr 12 20:14:41 <mikedg> dson't use threads if you dont know how to use them
Apr 12 20:14:47 <PressedWeb> pfn: I don't know Java, but I have a pretty good grasp of PHP, JS, and Python. I'm just trying not to learn a separate SDK for each mobile device. :)
Apr 12 20:14:57 <PressedWeb> jeppy: Appreciate it, scouring it now.
Apr 12 20:15:10 <readme> mikedg: for example, one thing that isn't obvious to a newbie to java concurrency is the proper way to terminate a thread
Apr 12 20:15:28 <mikedg> get out of the run loop?
Apr 12 20:15:46 <readme> mikedg: you're not a newbie :)
Apr 12 20:15:55 <readme> it's hard to see the level below once you have advanced sometimes.
Apr 12 20:16:04 <mikedg> no it isn't
Apr 12 20:16:15 <readme> then why are you acting like you don't see it?
Apr 12 20:16:15 <mikedg> when i didnt know java someone tossed pasta and threads at me
Apr 12 20:16:19 <mikedg> and i caught the threads
Apr 12 20:16:24 <readme> mikedg: so did I
Apr 12 20:16:26 <mikedg> and made a pasta salad
Apr 12 20:16:29 <ctate> the proper way to terminate a thread is for it to reach the end of its run() method and exit there.
Apr 12 20:16:33 <ctate> (in java)
Apr 12 20:16:43 <DarsVaeda> hi everyone
Apr 12 20:16:47 <readme> mikedg: unfortunately, not every programmer is as smart as you are
Apr 12 20:16:56 <ctate> (that to readme)
Apr 12 20:16:58 <Wavesonics> huh... i got map overlays I want to add as i go along, how can i do it in a thread safe way?
Apr 12 20:17:07 <readme> ctate: yeah, I know how. I"m just illustrating a point
Apr 12 20:17:11 <mikedg> i find that hard to believe
Apr 12 20:17:12 <Wavesonics> (they are being added on a background thread)
Apr 12 20:17:27 <Wavesonics> would posting the updates to the UI thread make it safe?
Apr 12 20:17:44 <readme> mikedg: you find what hard to believe?
Apr 12 20:17:56 <DarsVaeda> I save an item in a sharedpreferences in a function, then in the same function I call another function and get that item there, but the item is not set but returning the default value, what might be the problem?
Apr 12 20:17:59 <mikedg> that every programmer is not as smart as me
Apr 12 20:18:07 <mikedg> i used to be very stupid
Apr 12 20:18:17 <mikedg> and i still didnt do half the dumb shit i see here in public
Apr 12 20:18:25 <readme> mikedg: ok, maybe "motivated" would be a better choice of words.
Apr 12 20:18:28 <QubeZ> its not about stupid/smart, its about experience
Apr 12 20:18:36 <ctate> DarsVaeda: we'll need to see the code
Apr 12 20:18:38 <SimonVT> DarsVaeda: You're not commiting your changes
Apr 12 20:18:38 <readme> mikedg: at the end of the day it boils down to how you react to problems
Apr 12 20:18:41 <QubeZ> we're all smart here, otherwise we wouldn't be coding.. experience separates us
Apr 12 20:18:50 <mikedg> i pee on problems like a cat on a fire
Apr 12 20:19:28 <pfn> PressedWeb, if you want to be effective on each platform you develop for, you /need/ to know their ins and outs
Apr 12 20:19:31 <DarsVaeda> SimonVT: hah, ur right, wonder why it worked before
Apr 12 20:19:36 <asterisk-Tester> hi, Should i enable something in order to view /receive logcat output messages in an ndk application ?
Apr 12 20:19:37 <asterisk-Tester> I already have this : #define LOGI(...) ((void)__android_log_print(ANDROID_LOG_INFO, "native-activity", __VA_ARGS__)) but cant see any output in my LogCat screen ...
Apr 12 20:19:41 <DarsVaeda> SimonVT: thanks!
Apr 12 20:20:06 <SimonVT> ^_^
Apr 12 20:21:19 <`teh1> jyo
Apr 12 20:21:55 <`teh1> is there a way of getting the view of a specific list item to change text color?
Apr 12 20:22:08 <grothendieck> asterisk-Tester: http://code.google.com/p/paridroid/source/browse/PariDroid/jni/paridroid/paridroid.h
Apr 12 20:22:11 <grothendieck> look there^
Apr 12 20:22:25 <grothendieck> http://code.google.com/p/paridroid/source/browse/PariDroid/jni/paridroid/paridroid.c for usage
Apr 12 20:23:05 <readme> `teh1: write a custom adapter, override getView(), and call setTextColor on the view that you want to change.
Apr 12 20:23:13 <DarsVaeda> someone should do an analysis of app naming "conventions" I bet like 99% are name "XXXdroid" ^^
Apr 12 20:23:22 <`teh1> readme:  horrible.
Apr 12 20:23:29 <ctate> grothendieck and asterisk-Tester: i'd recommend using a #define symbol instead of the literal tag string such as "libparidroid"
Apr 12 20:23:29 <`teh1> i wish android used delegates
Apr 12 20:23:37 <QubeZ> DarsVaeda: haha
Apr 12 20:23:38 <ctate> something like LOG_TAG
Apr 12 20:23:44 <readme> `teh1: i am not sure wtf you're talking about man
Apr 12 20:23:52 <`teh1> readme:  you've never done iOS programming?
Apr 12 20:23:57 <readme> `teh1: nope
Apr 12 20:23:57 <ctate> and then #define LOG_TAG "paridroid" or whatever in your .c file
Apr 12 20:24:00 <QubeZ> `teh1: it doesnt, deal with it
Apr 12 20:24:03 <`teh1> the list view asks the delegate what to display
Apr 12 20:24:08 <ctate> then you can easily have different tags for different C files, which is very useful
Apr 12 20:24:11 <`teh1> instead of having to subclass for one little feature
Apr 12 20:24:15 <asterisk-Tester> grothendieck: yeah i had those define since i am using a sample code from google
Apr 12 20:24:16 <readme> `teh1: you can implement that if you really want it.
Apr 12 20:24:29 <asterisk-Tester> turned out i had to restart eclipse for some reason and it worked
Apr 12 20:24:30 <asterisk-Tester> ;-P
Apr 12 20:24:32 <grothendieck> ctate: good idea, I'll do that eventually, just haven't bothered with that since I'm lazy and only have one .c file that does anything
Apr 12 20:24:34 <`teh1> readme:  then i'd have to subclass it anyways which defeats the purpose. -_-
Apr 12 20:24:38 <QubeZ> `teh1: ya, the listview asks the adapter what to display
Apr 12 20:24:47 <readme> `teh1: some people release libraries :)
Apr 12 20:24:56 <readme> and then they are praised. others complain and no one cares.
Apr 12 20:25:13 <grothendieck> asterisk-Tester: Are you sure the native functions are being called?
Apr 12 20:25:21 <`teh1> QubeZ:  list view should just ask a delegate you set for it
Apr 12 20:25:23 <`teh1> whatevs
Apr 12 20:25:34 <`teh1> so that i dont need >9000 files
Apr 12 20:25:38 <readme> Google is always hiring.
Apr 12 20:25:40 <QubeZ> `teh1: submit a feature request, until then just use what is avail to you
Apr 12 20:25:45 <QubeZ> or go do iOS programming
Apr 12 20:26:04 <`teh1> no it'll never happen because it's a way of doing things that is consistent throughout programming for ios
Apr 12 20:26:06 <`teh1> and not android
Apr 12 20:26:11 <`teh1> also i am doing ios programming
Apr 12 20:26:13 <`teh1> im doing both
Apr 12 20:26:17 <`teh1> android is just poorly designed.
Apr 12 20:26:20 <`teh1> bugs me at times
Apr 12 20:26:23 <readme> `teh1: stfu
Apr 12 20:26:25 <readme> plz
Apr 12 20:26:26 <`teh1> haha
Apr 12 20:26:28 <`teh1> nah
Apr 12 20:26:29 <readme> :P
Apr 12 20:26:38 <JakeWharton> you are poorly designed
Apr 12 20:26:45 <QubeZ> oh snap, that just happenned
Apr 12 20:26:46 <grothendieck> asterisk-Tester: Ah, I see. The bug in your code was Eclipse. ;)
Apr 12 20:26:46 <`teh1> you're just jelly
Apr 12 20:27:04 <asterisk-Tester> grothendieck:  i am using this code http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/NativeActivity.html
Apr 12 20:27:31 <asterisk-Tester>  grothendieck: hehe no really it worked on eclipse restart
Apr 12 20:27:32 <QubeZ> `teh1: seriously, going into a channel and complaining about how some aspects of its design is "poor" compared to another platform, is that productive?
Apr 12 20:27:49 <`teh1> extremely. complaining promotes progression
Apr 12 20:27:52 <QubeZ> `teh1: why not overcome that by extending Android
Apr 12 20:27:57 <`teh1> yikes
Apr 12 20:28:00 <QubeZ> `teh1: not the way you're doing it
Apr 12 20:28:01 <`teh1> one should not have to do that.
Apr 12 20:28:01 <grothendieck> Eclipse...I'd rather use TECO, at least when TECO screws up your code it does it in interesting ways :P
Apr 12 20:28:04 <`teh1> you're not getting the point
Apr 12 20:28:08 <QubeZ> `teh1: you're a complainer, not a changer
Apr 12 20:28:17 <MDijkstra> they see me trollin, they hatin
Apr 12 20:28:18 <`teh1> the point is that the tools should have simply been designed better in the first place
Apr 12 20:28:19 <JakeWharton> innovation promotes progression
Apr 12 20:28:29 <JakeWharton> complaining promotes nothing
Apr 12 20:28:38 <QubeZ> `teh1: I shed a tear for ya
Apr 12 20:28:41 <grothendieck> complaining promotes the dark side
Apr 12 20:28:53 <`teh1> JakeWharton:  it does when you arent the owner of a software
Apr 12 20:29:00 <`teh1> if enough people complain change will happen :P
Apr 12 20:29:15 <grothendieck> Clearly you have never been on facebook
Apr 12 20:29:15 <readme> there's a word for that
Apr 12 20:29:19 <readme> it's called "slacktivism"
Apr 12 20:29:22 <readme> and it doesn't work :)
Apr 12 20:29:40 <QubeZ> how naive... he thinks people complaining changes things lol
Apr 12 20:29:57 <JakeWharton> i'm complaining about your complaining
Apr 12 20:29:59 <JakeWharton> does that mean you'll change?
Apr 12 20:30:04 <MDijkstra> lol
Apr 12 20:30:06 <QubeZ> oh snap, that happenned again
Apr 12 20:30:17 * readme withholds his occupy wall st jokes
Apr 12 20:30:26 <QubeZ> shit, i dont think i know how to spell the past tense of happen
Apr 12 20:30:35 <`teh1> instead of acting like a 12 year old, just go look up all the hundreds of times that complaining changed things
Apr 12 20:30:36 <Snuffel> i can tell
Apr 12 20:30:37 <JakeWharton> QubeZ: happ'd
Apr 12 20:30:41 <ctate> enough with the complaining (says the person with the +m hammer)
Apr 12 20:30:42 <ctate> :)
Apr 12 20:30:49 <`teh1> idle complaining is also different from complaining and doing something about it
Apr 12 20:30:53 <`teh1> don't get me wrong.
Apr 12 20:31:07 <MDijkstra> `teh1: acting like a 12 year old such as trolling an android development channel? :p
Apr 12 20:31:09 <QubeZ> `teh1: you're idle complaining
Apr 12 20:31:19 <readme> keep going. let us hear your opinions.
Apr 12 20:31:24 <`teh1> not much more one can do in an IRC channel QubeZ
Apr 12 20:31:25 <MDijkstra> 'onoes, teh files!'
Apr 12 20:31:28 * Snuffel is watching the supernanny
Apr 12 20:31:33 <`teh1> i still find it funny that you all think it ISNT poorly designed...
Apr 12 20:31:34 <Snuffel> lovely lady
Apr 12 20:32:19 <MDijkstra> `teh1: android has its flaws, so does iOS, I'm betting you haven't done a lot of iOS work either
Apr 12 20:32:27 <readme> omg fragmentationz
Apr 12 20:32:34 <`teh1> MDijkstra:  everything ive done has been easier in iOS
Apr 12 20:32:37 <`teh1> and has made more sense
Apr 12 20:32:48 <`teh1> and has required less code and less files
Apr 12 20:32:51 <DarsVaeda> today my female professor tried to hold a lecture via an ipad
Apr 12 20:32:53 <QubeZ> so why are you writing Android?
Apr 12 20:32:58 <`teh1> QubeZ:  because i have to :P
Apr 12 20:32:58 <DarsVaeda> she nearly freaked out
Apr 12 20:33:11 <DarsVaeda> so much about that
Apr 12 20:33:23 <QubeZ> `teh1: you dont have to anything, just say no to android
Apr 12 20:33:39 <`teh1> for my own good, i have to.
Apr 12 20:33:39 <QubeZ> tell them how much its flawed and its incapable of delivering their request
Apr 12 20:33:54 <`teh1> it's not a client project
Apr 12 20:33:57 <QubeZ> `teh1: ok so then stfu and get it done
Apr 12 20:33:57 <MDijkstra> 'but no, you see, it's twice the files! I hate files.'
Apr 12 20:34:01 <`teh1> it's a project that belongs to myself
Apr 12 20:34:16 <`teh1> QubeZ:  just because im getting it done doesnt mean i cant bitch about how homosex it is
Apr 12 20:34:16 <grothendieck> why we are talking abuot iOS on #android-dev?
Apr 12 20:34:34 <`teh1> because #android-dev should be renamed to #android-shit
Apr 12 20:34:38 <`teh1> :P
Apr 12 20:35:10 * grothendieck strongly suspects `teh1 of being a quiche-eater
Apr 12 20:35:21 <QubeZ> speaking of shit... i need to get some more android onesie's for my son, he messes them all up
Apr 12 20:35:28 <ctate> i don't mind people being critical about Android
Apr 12 20:35:45 <`teh1> grothendieck:  didnt even know what a quiche was before i just looked it up
Apr 12 20:35:50 <ctate> i do mind them being unconstructively pottymouthed about it
Apr 12 20:35:52 <PressedWeb> pfn: Re: being effective. Is it okay if I just learn iPhone/Android then? Also, what's the deal with PhoneGap/Titanium. They look so nice/easy. :)
Apr 12 20:35:56 <DarsVaeda> ctate.append( " in the right channel");
Apr 12 20:36:02 <`teh1> also i dont like flan
Apr 12 20:36:08 <grothendieck> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
Apr 12 20:36:15 <PressedWeb> You no likea the flan?!
Apr 12 20:36:44 <ctate> grothendieck: my first paying computer job was working in FORTRAN and Pascal
Apr 12 20:36:56 <grothendieck> :P
Apr 12 20:36:57 <ctate> FORTRAN IV, even.  in the late 80s.  it was surreal.
Apr 12 20:37:09 <grothendieck> ctate is a Real Programmer
Apr 12 20:37:10 <ctate> IF (I .EQ 0)
Apr 12 20:37:13 <cooldman224> What is the id for the Check mark in the action mode? Of onActionItemClicked
Apr 12 20:37:14 <ctate> err, .EQ.
Apr 12 20:37:17 <ctate> brrrrrrr
Apr 12 20:37:52 <grothendieck> heh
Apr 12 20:38:05 <SimonVT> cooldman224: There is none. It just finished the actionmode
Apr 12 20:38:15 <grothendieck> My first paying programming job was incidentially programming C on Android :P
Apr 12 20:38:29 <ctate> not even C++?
Apr 12 20:38:32 <ctate> yikes :)
Apr 12 20:38:32 * grothendieck is a kid standing on your lawns
Apr 12 20:38:35 <hillct> I have an arguably silly question. I have an app which implements a FileObserver watching a directory created and populated by a secondary app. When I push files to this directory via the debugger the FileObserver picks up their creation but when the seconary app creates the files, it doesn't pick them up. It would stand to reason that this would be an issue of permissions, but both the directory and files are readable and executab
Apr 12 20:38:35 <hillct> all, unless the permissions aren't meant to be read in the stanard unix'ish way, or something
Apr 12 20:38:54 <Wavesonics> wwhhyyyy do activities not do the book keeping for you to determine if they are foreground or not
Apr 12 20:39:04 <ctate> Wavesonics: they do.
Apr 12 20:39:07 <ctate> onResume(), done.
Apr 12 20:39:10 <ctate> :)
Apr 12 20:39:14 <Wavesonics> no
Apr 12 20:39:19 <MDijkstra> yes
Apr 12 20:39:22 <Wavesonics> i want to check isForeground()
Apr 12 20:39:22 <ctate> what specifically are you running into?
Apr 12 20:39:40 <Wavesonics> i have a thread that is returning, possible after the user has left the activity
Apr 12 20:39:57 <Chronax> Is there any way using a custom SpinnerAdapter to add some visual candy to the currently selected item?
Apr 12 20:40:03 <MDijkstra> Wavesonics: make a getter isForeground, set foreground to false onPause, true onResume
Apr 12 20:40:06 <MDijkstra> done
Apr 12 20:40:07 <Chronax> There's no way for the adapter to know which item is selected, right?
Apr 12 20:40:10 <Chronax> Ugh, nevermind.
Apr 12 20:40:13 <Chronax> Answered my own question.
Apr 12 20:40:29 <readme> i think leaving a thread running after the user has left the activity is not a good idea. that should be in a service instead, imo.
Apr 12 20:40:40 <grothendieck> readme: My thoughts exactly.
Apr 12 20:40:48 <MDijkstra> Wavesonics: also, 'a thread returning'?
Apr 12 20:40:49 <Wavesonics> MDijkstra, ... ya. i know. notice I didnt say "Gee i have no idea how to do this my self" I simply said "I think Activities should handle the book keeping them selves"
Apr 12 20:40:57 <grothendieck> Android will probably kill the running thread when it kills the activity that spawned the thread
Apr 12 20:41:10 <SimonVT> It wont
Apr 12 20:41:16 <ctate> grothendieck: android doesn't kill threads or activities; it only kills whole application processes.
Apr 12 20:41:28 <Wavesonics> ctate, yup, typed faster than i did :P
Apr 12 20:41:30 <grothendieck> Oh.
Apr 12 20:41:40 <ctate> Wavesonics: years of practice :)
Apr 12 20:41:49 <grothendieck> I thought when (for example) orientation changes, Android kills current instance of activity and restarts it with different orientation
Apr 12 20:41:51 <MDijkstra> still, why would you need to check this like that?
Apr 12 20:42:12 <ctate> grothendieck: that's different; that is a configuration change.  destroying the activity instance and creating a new one is the default behavior for configuration changes, yes.
Apr 12 20:42:12 <Wavesonics> MDijkstra, there are things u cant do in an activity when it is not foreground
Apr 12 20:42:18 <MDijkstra> as it'll simply call onPause when the 'thread returns to the activity'
Apr 12 20:42:24 <ctate> but that is specifically about hte Activity subclass instance's lifetime
Apr 12 20:42:28 <grothendieck> So Android does kill activities?
Apr 12 20:42:29 <grothendieck> Oh
Apr 12 20:42:30 <grothendieck> I see.
Apr 12 20:42:31 <MDijkstra> Wavesonics: what are you trying to do, then?
Apr 12 20:42:32 <hillct> I certainly woudn't want random threads or specific activities killed off anyway. Better to have my entire app die
Apr 12 20:42:36 <Wavesonics> my thread calls method in the activity when it is about to complete, and those methods need to be protected from doing something illegal
Apr 12 20:42:41 <readme> but at least with a service, you can return START_REDELIVER_INTENT, and if the process is killed the service will be restarted later and have the intent redelivered, so the thread can run again and finish its work
Apr 12 20:42:59 <MDijkstra> Wavesonics: background stuff in an activity, perhaps?
Apr 12 20:43:07 <grothendieck> today I learned that Android kills activities but also it dosen't
Apr 12 20:43:11 <ctate> hee hee
Apr 12 20:43:12 <Wavesonics> MDijkstra, so i do the book keeping my self, and protect them w\ if( m_isForeground ) {}
Apr 12 20:43:21 <ctate> "kill" is sort of a technical term, grothendieck
Apr 12 20:43:32 <MDijkstra> Wavesonics: but why are you doing background stuff in the activity, as opposed to a service?
Apr 12 20:43:33 <Wavesonics>  sort of and actually
Apr 12 20:43:54 <ctate> MDijkstra: well, that doesn't address the underlying issue
Apr 12 20:43:55 <Wavesonics> MDijkstra, they are just things I don't want slowing down the UI thread
Apr 12 20:44:05 <grothendieck> ctate: it calls onDestroy(), as I recall from a bug...
Apr 12 20:44:06 <Wavesonics> no something that really requires a full service
Apr 12 20:44:08 <grothendieck> right?
Apr 12 20:44:12 <ctate> about whether to take UI action when the task is complete, based on whether the separate UI component is currently live
Apr 12 20:44:24 <Wavesonics> ctate, exactly
Apr 12 20:44:25 <cooldman224> SimonVT: yeah what I thought but my method isn't being called. I want it called when an menuitem is clicked or the check is clicked. http://pastebin.com/QJHUDJ2V
Apr 12 20:44:42 <g00s> is *anyone* here using ActionBarCompat ??
Apr 12 20:44:46 * g00s expects crickets
Apr 12 20:44:49 <ctate> grothendieck: right; it pauses / stops / destroys the current Activity instance and then creates / starts / resumes a new one with the new Configuration
Apr 12 20:44:50 <MDijkstra> I am, in one project
Apr 12 20:44:53 <Wavesonics> these threads return basically success or failure to the Activity, and that needs to do the appropriate thing to the UI, but only if its foreground
Apr 12 20:44:57 <ctate> and allows the old instance to be garbage collected
Apr 12 20:45:03 <g00s> MDijkstra: you are ? is it working ok ?
Apr 12 20:45:09 <SimonVT> cooldman224: The "checkmark" aka done button is not an action item, so onActionItemClicked isn't called
Apr 12 20:45:13 <MDijkstra> yeah, athough it's not really a library
Apr 12 20:45:25 <MDijkstra> more of a sample you can modify
Apr 12 20:45:26 <SimonVT> onDestroyActionMode is
Apr 12 20:45:38 <g00s> MDijkstra: would you use it again, or use something else ?
Apr 12 20:45:42 <g00s> (in a future app)
Apr 12 20:45:46 <MDijkstra> I'd probably use ABS
Apr 12 20:45:48 <MDijkstra> in a new app
Apr 12 20:45:50 <g00s> ok
Apr 12 20:46:09 <Wavesonics> ABS is great
Apr 12 20:46:11 <canadiancow|work> ive been trying to get my intern to switch from mechanical engineering into something more softwarey for months
Apr 12 20:46:14 <canadiancow|work> such an uphill battle
Apr 12 20:46:20 <Wavesonics> :P
Apr 12 20:46:25 <canadiancow|work> "i can learn what i need on my own"
Apr 12 20:46:25 * g00s cues SimonVT 
Apr 12 20:46:41 <canadiancow|work> actionbar scott?
Apr 12 20:46:51 <SimonVT> Oh, I don't care what you use, g00s :p
Apr 12 20:46:54 <grothendieck> ctate: good to know , thanks
Apr 12 20:46:57 <SimonVT> I would just never use ABC
Apr 12 20:47:01 <g00s> i actually searched for action bar scott
Apr 12 20:47:03 <cooldman224> SimonVT: i had my method there before but onDestroyActionMode is also called when I click other items in the list, so it unchecks my items when I click another item...
Apr 12 20:47:26 <SimonVT> cooldman224: onDestroyActionMode is called cus you finish the actionmode.. Just like the done button
Apr 12 20:47:29 <canadiancow|work> lol
Apr 12 20:47:57 <SimonVT> If you need to handle it differently, set a bool or something
Apr 12 20:48:00 <g00s> canadiancow|work: i read about a move escaping slaughter , wandering in the streets yesterday … was that you ?
Apr 12 20:48:04 <g00s> *bovine
Apr 12 20:48:07 <DarsVaeda> btw. what is the best channel for android source dev?
Apr 12 20:48:14 <g00s> holy crap, how did colloqueueue replace bovine for move
Apr 12 20:48:21 <canadiancow|work> lol
Apr 12 20:48:31 <JakeWharton> anyone know what's in r19?
Apr 12 20:48:44 <g00s> JakeWharton: a little less than r20
Apr 12 20:48:49 <pfn> hmm, how do I make a Thread.interrupt() close a blocking read?
Apr 12 20:48:56 <ctate> DarsVaeda: AOSP development?  really, the android-platform@ and android-contrib@ Google Groups mailing lists are best for that.
Apr 12 20:49:00 <cooldman224> SimonVT: ah ok, i understand now. I know what I need to do, at least I think
Apr 12 20:49:03 <g00s> pfn: you have to close the socket
Apr 12 20:49:04 <ctate> pfn: you don't.
Apr 12 20:49:12 <ctate> Thread.interrupt() is an abomination.
Apr 12 20:49:28 <ctate> so is Java I/O, come to think of it.
Apr 12 20:49:37 <pfn> thread.interrupt is great if stuff actually honored it
Apr 12 20:49:41 <grothendieck> Haskell I/O is Better
Apr 12 20:49:52 <ctate> ha
Apr 12 20:49:52 <DarsVaeda> ctate: I actually need to debug an annoying bug on my device and I wondered where I could get info on how to start
Apr 12 20:49:55 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: Of ADT?
Apr 12 20:50:01 <JakeWharton> yes
Apr 12 20:50:05 <ctate> DarsVaeda: oh ugh
Apr 12 20:50:06 <canadiancow|work> go check git?
Apr 12 20:50:11 <grothendieck> Anybody want to rewrite Android in Haskell? :P
Apr 12 20:50:25 <ctate> No.  Nobody wants to do that.
Apr 12 20:50:31 <grothendieck> :(
Apr 12 20:50:42 <g00s> ctate: you want to rewrite it in fortran i'm betting
Apr 12 20:50:45 <ctate> what, you think that cellphones have way too much ram at this point?
Apr 12 20:50:48 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: Tor posted something as a response on their google group.. Some lint fixes I believe
Apr 12 20:50:51 <grothendieck> hahaha
Apr 12 20:51:15 <ctate> g00s: just because i got paid to write FORTRAN doesn't mean i *preferred* it... ;)
Apr 12 20:51:40 <grothendieck> Actually you can run haskell code on Android with GHC and use the cross compiled C binary/library via NDK
Apr 12 20:51:53 <grothendieck> if anybody was ever wondering about that
Apr 12 20:52:23 <JakeWharton> SimonVT: link?
Apr 12 20:52:36 <readme> grothendieck: think of all the senior projects you could run on your android phone!
Apr 12 20:52:39 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: Too lazy to look.. Read it a day or two ago :F
Apr 12 20:52:41 <grothendieck> hahahahaha
Apr 12 20:52:48 <JakeWharton> a day or two ago?
Apr 12 20:52:55 <JakeWharton> it was just released like 5 min ago
Apr 12 20:53:21 <SimonVT> He uploaded a snapshot a few days ago
Apr 12 20:53:26 <grothendieck> Maybe he lives in a different time zone
Apr 12 20:53:30 <SimonVT> Oh, sdk 19.. Didn't see that :P
Apr 12 20:53:36 <canadiancow|work> As for the GPU acceleration, we just realized that a branch misconfig created the issue when we built r18. Since the r18 branch was basically just 2 non emulator change on top of the r17 branch, QA did a quick sanity check instead of a full QA pass and didn't check GPU support.
Apr 12 20:53:38 <canadiancow|work> oh google...
Apr 12 20:53:46 <pfn> there's an sdk19 already/  man
Apr 12 20:53:46 <canadiancow|work> you make changes related to GPU, and you dont test GPU?
Apr 12 20:53:47 <nebkat> what is the "best" proguard config to completely obfuscate the code?
Apr 12 20:53:49 <pfn> so fast
Apr 12 20:53:57 <JakeWharton> -remove *
Apr 12 20:54:09 <JakeWharton> 0 byte APK
Apr 12 20:54:15 <JakeWharton> completely unable to be decompiled
Apr 12 20:54:15 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: I'm hoping it fixes GPU acc on my computers
Apr 12 20:54:35 <nebkat> JakeWharton: eh?
Apr 12 20:54:41 <nebkat> "second best"?
Apr 12 20:54:42 <JakeWharton> SimonVT: https://plus.google.com/u/0/108967384991768947849/posts/13ZczsoDNBp
Apr 12 20:54:44 <g00s> there is an sdk 19 ? i don't see it
Apr 12 20:54:49 <SimonVT> oh yay
Apr 12 20:55:17 <g00s> why the fuck do they make 'small revisions' and update the major version number ?
Apr 12 20:55:31 <canadiancow|work> my manager's getting annoyed
Apr 12 20:55:38 <canadiancow|work> WE JUST UPDATED HUDSON TO 18
Apr 12 20:55:39 <canadiancow|work> etc
Apr 12 20:55:40 <canadiancow|work> :D
Apr 12 20:55:53 <SimonVT> g00s: Cus their build system doesn't support point releases
Apr 12 20:56:03 <SimonVT> Looking good so far.. It actually starts booting
Apr 12 20:56:04 <g00s> well, i guess the adt only has x.y.z
Apr 12 20:56:32 <canadiancow|work> yea
Apr 12 20:56:35 <canadiancow|work> and they want adt to match sdk tools
Apr 12 20:56:39 <JakeWharton> g00s: because version numbers are arbitrary?
Apr 12 20:56:56 <canadiancow|work> that too
Apr 12 20:57:01 <canadiancow|work> windows 7 was 6.1
Apr 12 20:57:03 <canadiancow|work> :D
Apr 12 20:57:13 <g00s> they should use server http://semver.org/
Apr 12 20:57:21 <g00s> *semver damn clloqueuueueueueyeyeyeyeyeye
Apr 12 20:57:46 <hackkitten> g00s > http://www.nyanko.ws/game_heimen_no_heiwa.php
Apr 12 20:57:46 <hackkitten> :D
Apr 12 20:57:51 * hackkitten made new game :o
Apr 12 20:58:01 <g00s> hackkitten: \o/ !!!
Apr 12 20:58:08 <hackkitten> :D
Apr 12 20:58:12 <hackkitten> ^---^
Apr 12 20:58:16 <g00s> hackkitten: you are on the path to riches now !
Apr 12 20:58:16 <p_l> hackkitten: yo
Apr 12 20:58:20 <hackkitten> oh yes~
Apr 12 20:58:28 <hackkitten> like $3/day :D
Apr 12 20:58:44 <g00s> it should be possible to eat on $3 / day
Apr 12 20:58:50 <hackkitten> yum
Apr 12 20:58:51 <hackkitten> :D
Apr 12 20:58:52 <g00s> see, who said you can't make a living writing android
Apr 12 20:58:57 * hackkitten giggles
Apr 12 20:59:06 * g00s sees rice and beans in your future
Apr 12 20:59:18 <g00s> do cats even like rice and beans ?
Apr 12 20:59:21 <hackkitten> you'd pay back your phone in about a year at that rate :D
Apr 12 20:59:26 <hackkitten> I know I do
Apr 12 20:59:31 <hackkitten> though ramen > *
Apr 12 20:59:32 <hackkitten> :P
Apr 12 20:59:50 <bubbleguuum> WTF the Android SDK Manager window is modal in Eclipse...
Apr 12 21:00:37 <DarsVaeda> they should really overthink payment models for android apps soon :/
Apr 12 21:01:07 <canadiancow|work> wtf
Apr 12 21:01:15 <Shamisen> why did google change android market to google play
Apr 12 21:01:19 <canadiancow|work> the "Preview feedback" screen for reporting a crash has a software back button
Apr 12 21:01:20 <canadiancow|work> ...
Apr 12 21:01:28 <Shamisen> "play" sounds retarded, it's not a game store
Apr 12 21:01:33 <Shamisen> it has tons of different kinds of apps
Apr 12 21:02:50 <g00s> so where is sdk 19 ?
Apr 12 21:02:56 <SimonVT> In the sdk manager
Apr 12 21:02:56 <canadiancow|work> in the sdk manager?
Apr 12 21:03:15 <wongk> 19? 18 just released a few days ago
Apr 12 21:03:16 <g00s> oh, i never use that because it always seems to fuck things up. i just went to the web page
Apr 12 21:03:55 <g00s> something about not being able to move files and half installed crap
Apr 12 21:05:01 <wongk> ill be damned
Apr 12 21:05:09 <wongk> they don't have the changelist published yet though
Apr 12 21:06:51 <wongk> it takes too long for packages from canardia to get to the US
Apr 12 21:06:58 <wongk> canadiancow|work: can you do something about that? :P
Apr 12 21:08:36 <JakeWharton_> semver is a joke
Apr 12 21:08:49 <JakeWharton_> (in my opinion)
Apr 12 21:09:53 <marcreichelt> Hi there!
Apr 12 21:09:54 * g00s shrugs. i would rather see git 1.7.9.4 than git 656773
Apr 12 21:10:15 <marcreichelt> Does anybody know if Android Development on Linux is possible without problems with OpenJDK 7?
Apr 12 21:10:29 <g00s> damn nit, another lion java update
Apr 12 21:10:33 <g00s> the #rd one in a week
Apr 12 21:10:35 <g00s> 3rd
Apr 12 21:11:15 <marcreichelt> I am stuck with Ubuntu 10.04 for now
Apr 12 21:11:32 <marcreichelt> Also: is it possible to use OpenJDK 7 for AOSP builds?
Apr 12 21:12:00 <g00s> marcreichelt: i think alankila tried java 7 and it didn't work
Apr 12 21:12:11 <canadiancow|work> god damn
Apr 12 21:12:14 <canadiancow|work> fucking comments in xml
Apr 12 21:12:27 <canadiancow|work> <!-- This is needed to center vertically --> above a linearlayout
Apr 12 21:12:32 <canadiancow|work> and inside JUST a relativelayout
Apr 12 21:12:39 <canadiancow|work> <!-- This is needed to ceter horizontally -->
Apr 12 21:12:48 <canadiancow|work> i removed one, modified the other a bit, and it works fine
Apr 12 21:12:49 <canadiancow|work> T_T
Apr 12 21:13:16 <marcreichelt> g00s, alankila - really? Where are the problems? keytool?
Apr 12 21:13:26 <g00s> no, the byte code that is generated
Apr 12 21:13:32 <marcreichelt> oh, sh*t
Apr 12 21:13:33 <g00s> use Java 6
Apr 12 21:13:39 <Sicp> how come I get no internet connection from my Emulator
Apr 12 21:13:39 <Sicp> there's "3G" up there
Apr 12 21:13:55 <canadiancow|work> its not actually connected to a cellular network
Apr 12 21:13:59 <canadiancow|work> it just pretends to be so apps behave
Apr 12 21:14:14 <marcreichelt> I use it (for now), but IMHO I might have to upgrade to OpenJDK 7 in the future
Apr 12 21:14:24 <g00s> canadiancow|work: damn it, i thought i could tug my laptop around and make calls with the emu w/o a contract from vz
Apr 12 21:14:37 <canadiancow|work> my chromebook has 2 years free
Apr 12 21:14:39 <canadiancow|work> and it can receive SMS
Apr 12 21:19:03 <readme> Which phones can use 3G while a call is ringing?
Apr 12 21:19:08 <readme> GSM?
Apr 12 21:20:45 <SimonVT> yep
Apr 12 21:20:46 <ctate> also some flavors of CDMA
Apr 12 21:20:50 <readme> ok apparently 4G LTE will work on verizon during a call..
Apr 12 21:20:50 <Jug6ernaut> chromebook :\
Apr 12 21:20:57 <canadiancow|work> no
Apr 12 21:20:58 <canadiancow|work> not GSM
Apr 12 21:21:00 <canadiancow|work> UMTS
Apr 12 21:21:22 <canadiancow|work> and what do you mean "use 3G"
Apr 12 21:21:30 <canadiancow|work> the phone calls are done over "3G"
Apr 12 21:21:38 <canadiancow|work> im assuming you mean "use data"
Apr 12 21:21:40 <readme> canadiancow|work: my app requires the internet to make a quick http request when a call is received.
Apr 12 21:21:41 <canadiancow|work> which is very different
Apr 12 21:21:49 <readme> yeah, I meant use data
Apr 12 21:21:49 <Jug6ernaut> well, most "lte" phones have lte as a seperate radio, so they should be able to use data at same time
Apr 12 21:21:57 <Jug6ernaut> but generally its gsm
Apr 12 21:22:02 <canadiancow|work> GSM does not support it
Apr 12 21:22:06 <canadiancow|work> you need UMTS
Apr 12 21:22:12 <readme> thanks
Apr 12 21:22:35 <ctate> NB: most people are actually not informed about what exactly the various cellular voice + data protocols are and now they are intermixed
Apr 12 21:22:51 <ctate> it's a messy freaking rabbithole
Apr 12 21:23:32 <canadiancow|work> but if you're a dev who depends on it, it helps to know ;)
Apr 12 21:24:06 <readme> i'll be reading up on this.. having a good user experience when someone installs who can't use data during a call is going to be critical for me.
Apr 12 21:24:13 <canadiancow|work> ctate, any chance of getting a "disable 2g" option in phone settings? :\
Apr 12 21:24:32 <ctate> not really
Apr 12 21:24:35 <canadiancow|work> my provider doesnt have a 2g network, so it's a massive waste of battery
Apr 12 21:24:50 <ctate> i wonder whether you can jigger it directly
Apr 12 21:24:56 <ctate> (probably not)
Apr 12 21:25:04 <canadiancow|work> but theres a 3g option :(
Apr 12 21:25:07 <canadiancow|work> why no 2g :(
Apr 12 21:30:05 <nebkat> does the build system support proguard obfuscation?
Apr 12 21:30:22 <nebkat> seems to work in eclipse but not in build system...
Apr 12 21:31:12 <canadiancow|work> nebkat: like ant?
Apr 12 21:31:23 <nebkat> probably...
Apr 12 21:31:50 <SimonVT> works fine here
Apr 12 21:32:25 <nebkat> I added this
Apr 12 21:32:26 <nebkat> -optimizationpasses 5
Apr 12 21:32:26 <nebkat> -dontusemixedcaseclassnames
Apr 12 21:32:26 <nebkat> -dontskipnonpubliclibraryclasses
Apr 12 21:32:26 <nebkat> -dontpreverify
Apr 12 21:32:26 <nebkat> -verbose
Apr 12 21:32:30 <nebkat> -optimizations !code/simplification/arithmetic,!field/*,!class/merging/*
Apr 12 21:32:34 <nebkat> but dex2jar still shows *everything*
Apr 12 21:34:34 <QubeZ> i dont understand the point of proguard if tools like that will make source easily seen
Apr 12 21:34:49 <QubeZ> how does one protect your company's IP
Apr 12 21:35:23 <nebkat> QubeZ: the difference is that it can take days understanding obfuscated code rather than minutes with non-obfuscated code
Apr 12 21:35:54 <QubeZ> nebkat: how long do those dex tools take to deobfuscate code?
Apr 12 21:36:01 <QubeZ> days for what sized proj?
Apr 12 21:36:05 <nebkat> no
Apr 12 21:36:10 <nebkat> you can deobfuscate code
Apr 12 21:36:10 <g00s> nebkat: see the sample pro guard config in adt 17
Apr 12 21:36:15 <g00s> oops, sdk 18
Apr 12 21:36:17 <g00s> oops, sdk 19
Apr 12 21:36:23 <nebkat> ugh sdk
Apr 12 21:36:24 <p_l> nebkat: sometimes you don't need to deobfuscate
Apr 12 21:36:26 <g00s> don't use optimization passes, among other things
Apr 12 21:36:32 <g00s> (read the comments)
Apr 12 21:36:37 <nebkat> p_l: I know...
Apr 12 21:36:39 <readme> there is a tool that de-obfuscates!?
Apr 12 21:36:45 <readme> I thought there was only a decompiler
Apr 12 21:36:46 * p_l used to remove LVL calls from obfuscated code
Apr 12 21:36:47 <nebkat> can't* deobfuscate
Apr 12 21:37:14 <QubeZ> http://code.google.com/p/dex2jar/wiki/DeObfuscateJarWithDexTool
Apr 12 21:37:25 <canadiancow|work> g00s, i use optimization passes
Apr 12 21:37:36 <g00s> canadiancow|work: yeah, but the android config says don't
Apr 12 21:37:54 <canadiancow|work> do you do everything you're told without knowing why? :P
Apr 12 21:37:59 <nebkat> its possible? :O
Apr 12 21:38:05 <nebkat> kang kang kang kang :D
Apr 12 21:38:06 <g00s> canadiancow|work: it messes with dx
Apr 12 21:38:19 <canadiancow|work> works fine in words with friends
Apr 12 21:38:21 <canadiancow|work> and scramble with friends
Apr 12 21:38:31 <QubeZ> what works?
Apr 12 21:38:39 <canadiancow|work> proguard optimization
Apr 12 21:38:56 <QubeZ> i use passes too, never tried to get the source code back from my apk though
Apr 12 21:39:05 <QubeZ> it sucks that you can't protect your source
Apr 12 21:39:10 <canadiancow|work> you can't?
Apr 12 21:39:29 <QubeZ> eventually you can get the source back out
Apr 12 21:39:38 <ctate> protip: that's true of C, too
Apr 12 21:39:43 * SimonVT also uses optimization passes
Apr 12 21:39:48 <ctate> and pretending otherwise is naïve
Apr 12 21:41:41 <g00s> the config says if you use optimizations, use '# -optimizations !code/simplification/arithmetic,!code/simplification/cast,!field/*,!class/merging/*'
Apr 12 21:41:52 <g00s> among some other things
Apr 12 21:41:53 <canadiancow|work> i actually changed some of that i think
Apr 12 21:42:02 <jasonmog> will serializing a File object representing a directory also serialize all of the File objects that could be retrieved through its methods?
Apr 12 21:42:10 <SimonVT> arithmetic wasn't an issue since 1.6 or some shit
Apr 12 21:42:11 <canadiancow|work> -optimizations !code/simplification/arithmetic,!code/simplification/cast,!field/*,!class/merging/*
Apr 12 21:42:14 <jasonmog> prob not right?
Apr 12 21:42:17 <canadiancow|work> oh wait no
Apr 12 21:42:23 <canadiancow|work> the with friends games use that line
Apr 12 21:42:28 <canadiancow|work> my personal app is more... risky
Apr 12 21:42:29 <canadiancow|work> ;)
Apr 12 21:42:48 <canadiancow|work> -optimizations !code/simplification/cast
Apr 12 21:42:54 <canadiancow|work> and it works fine :)
Apr 12 21:43:02 <g00s> i didn't notice any difference in size between optimizations, so i just turned it off anyhow :)
Apr 12 21:43:12 <g00s> i mean, it was meager
Apr 12 21:43:18 <canadiancow|work> speed as well
Apr 12 21:43:25 <canadiancow|work> but class merging obfuscates as well as optimizes
Apr 12 21:43:28 <g00s> didn't notice that either
Apr 12 21:43:36 <canadiancow|work> well a lot of the optimizations also help obfuscate
Apr 12 21:43:37 * g00s apparently writes the tightest code evar
Apr 12 21:45:22 <pfn> optimizations doesn't necessarily mean size reductions
Apr 12 21:45:39 <pfn> a lot of times, optimizations means increased code size
Apr 12 21:45:45 <pfn> due to loop unrolling and stuff like that
Apr 12 21:45:49 <g00s> sure
Apr 12 21:46:25 <g00s> but i use pro guard mostly for size optimization
Apr 12 21:47:08 <canadiancow|work> i use it mostly so i odnt have public static final boolean TEST_MODE_ENABLE_ALL_PAID_FEATURES = false;
Apr 12 21:48:40 <g00s> if your app's performance sucks, don't rely on optimizations by your compiler, tools, progaurd, whatever. rewrite the damn algorithm :)
Apr 12 21:49:35 <SimonVT> If proguard makes your app fast, spend time fixing bugs and adding features :p
Apr 12 21:50:09 <g00s> if pro guard makes your app fast, you can't code
Apr 12 21:50:27 <SimonVT> true :(
Apr 12 21:53:44 <GrimyHoboSack> If I drop my built target to API level 8 I get an error on SSLContext.setDefault(SSLContext): "The method setDefault(SSLContext) is undefined for the type SSLContext".  Looks like that should exist from API level 1 on...
Apr 12 21:54:23 <SimonVT> Then you probably read wrong
Apr 12 21:54:39 <GrimyHoboSack> Seems like it, am I missing something here? http://developer.android.com/reference/javax/net/ssl/SSLContext.html
Apr 12 21:55:01 <SimonVT> You're missing the Since: API Level 9
Apr 12 21:55:30 <moonlightcheese> is there a way to allow a particular user to download your app for free?
Apr 12 21:55:38 <GrimyHoboSack> SimonVT: I sure am, I sure am.
Apr 12 21:56:37 <[deXter]> moonlightcheese, Yes, make your app itself free and use in-app billing to unlock the premium features.
Apr 12 21:56:38 <GrimyHoboSack> SimonVT: Thanks.  Still new to this, didn't notice that with it's questionable font color/background choice, but now I know where to look.
Apr 12 21:57:44 <annoia> I'm trying to listen to the bluetooth media button (android.intent.action.MEDIA_BUTTON) with a broadcast receiver, but nothing happens. However, when I entered a music app and started playing music on the headset, and then pressed the button my broadcastReceiver springs to life. Am I missing something?
Apr 12 21:59:41 * ctate |  Android developers: If you had some issues with the previous release of the emulator using GPU emulation, Android Tools r19 was just pushed with a number of bug fixes.
Apr 12 21:59:42 <ctate> seen on G+
Apr 12 22:11:31 <SimonVT> :O it's friday the 13th
Apr 12 22:18:04 <cooldman224> what would be the best way to monitor to see if there are items no longer checked?
Apr 12 22:19:08 <readme> so earlier we were discussing UTMS, and how with a UTMS phone we can use the data during a call
Apr 12 22:19:19 <readme> I was checking out android's uses-feature list, and my options in this respect are
Apr 12 22:19:28 <readme> android.hardware.telephony.gsm and android.hardware.telephony.cdma
Apr 12 22:19:45 <readme> so, would doing uses-feature gsm, be a reasonable filter, for just this first release?
Apr 12 22:20:03 <readme> I know those new CDMA phones from verizon with 4G LTE can use data during a call
Apr 12 22:21:04 <cooldman224> which new phones
Apr 12 22:21:17 <readme> the devices that have 4g LTE
Apr 12 22:21:25 <readme> i'm not a hardware buff, so I can't name off the top of my head.
Apr 12 22:21:45 <cooldman224> like the incredible 4g?
Apr 12 22:21:57 <readme> do you have one of those?
Apr 12 22:22:13 <cooldman224> haha no i still have the original incredible
Apr 12 22:23:34 <cooldman224> i was on last night droid-life and saw it
Apr 12 22:23:45 <cooldman224> the galaxy nexus is huge i dunno if i like that
Apr 12 22:31:54 <GuySoft> j #xorg
Apr 12 22:37:13 <birbeck> ctate - |  Android developers: If you had some issues with the previous release of the emulator using GPU emulation, Android Tools r19 was just pushed with a number of bug fixes.
Apr 12 22:37:31 <birbeck> so adt is effectively dailys now?
Apr 12 22:42:01 <ctate> the sdk/tools folks have been doing a lot more frequent & open-beta sorts of releases for a while now
Apr 12 22:42:17 <ctate> (i applaud this!)
Apr 12 22:43:15 <birbeck> i just installed r17 the other day, i had beta 1 on here forever
Apr 12 22:43:36 <birbeck> its nice to get updates to the tools, but there seems to be a lot of regression
Apr 12 22:43:49 <ctate> send feedback about regressions
Apr 12 22:44:17 <birbeck> last stable version of the tools was like 13?
Apr 12 22:44:18 <ctate> among other things it helps is build out systems to catch & prevent them in the first place
Apr 12 22:44:23 <bubbleguuum> the management of dependencies is miles better since r17. At some point it may match maven.
Apr 12 22:44:35 <vadi2> Eclipse just checked updates and only sees 18
Apr 12 22:44:57 <birbeck> im just glad library projects finally work again in 17
Apr 12 22:45:07 <birbeck> but you cant debug library projects now
Apr 12 22:46:52 <birbeck> bubbleguuum: m2e works just find with adt
Apr 12 22:47:36 <bubbleguuum> I didn't try the latest m2e versions but historically it never really worked.
Apr 12 22:47:54 <birbeck> until it comes time to compile a release i actually forget that im running maven beneath it all
Apr 12 22:48:05 <birbeck> yeah, it was a pita to set up
Apr 12 22:48:14 <EvilPenguin> is xhdpi used to tablet graphics?
Apr 12 22:48:25 <EvilPenguin> s/to/for
Apr 12 22:48:29 <canadiancow> ctate i commented on a "closed" and "fixed" issue, because its still broken
Apr 12 22:48:36 <bubbleguuum> I got it half working 4 month ago then abandonned. oo much fighting between ADT and m2e connector expecting different things
Apr 12 22:48:44 <birbeck> android-maven-plugin >1.3 and android-maven-connector >2
Apr 12 22:49:44 <EvilPenguin> i can't tell if xhdpi is looking good on the tablet emulator.
Apr 12 22:49:48 <EvilPenguin> it still looks like shit.
Apr 12 22:49:59 <pfn> tablets don't have xhdpi...
Apr 12 22:50:04 <g00s> yet
Apr 12 22:50:08 <g00s> :)
Apr 12 22:50:12 <EvilPenguin> so they use large?
Apr 12 22:50:16 <birbeck> when i build, debug, test, it is all eclipse and adt (with the dependencies coming from maven), but when i release i use maven
Apr 12 22:50:39 <canadiancow> what
Apr 12 22:50:45 <canadiancow> density != size
Apr 12 22:50:46 <ctate> EvilPenguin: the Galaxy Nexus is xhdpi
Apr 12 22:50:47 <birbeck> EvilPenguin: depends on the tab
Apr 12 22:50:54 <ctate> EvilPenguin: the Xoom (for example) is mdpi
Apr 12 22:50:58 <birbeck> but most are hdpi xlarge
Apr 12 22:51:05 <pfn> is the transformer infinity thingy xhdpi?
Apr 12 22:51:11 <pfn> it's like 1920x1200 on 10.1"
Apr 12 22:51:16 <ctate> pfn: what's that in dpi?
Apr 12 22:51:21 * pfn is too lazy to calculate
Apr 12 22:51:24 <pfn> :p
Apr 12 22:51:31 <canadiancow> birbeck i havent seen (irl) an hdpi tablet
Apr 12 22:51:44 <pfn> there's the ipad...
Apr 12 22:51:49 <ctate> pfn: okay, that's 224 dpi
Apr 12 22:51:52 <ctate> which is mdpi
Apr 12 22:51:58 <ctate> err, hdpi
Apr 12 22:51:59 <pfn> interesting
Apr 12 22:52:06 <pfn> ok, that makes sense
Apr 12 22:52:18 <ctate> hdpi is nominally 240, so that's the appropriate bucket
Apr 12 22:52:55 <birbeck> ctate: arent xoom and tab 10.1 both hdpi?
Apr 12 22:53:01 <birbeck> they are the same size and res
Apr 12 22:53:07 <ctate> birbeck: no, they're mdpi
Apr 12 22:53:19 <ctate> 1280x800 10"
Apr 12 22:53:40 <ctate> which is mathematically right around 150 dpi
Apr 12 22:53:45 <ctate> so it's mdpi, which is nominally 160
Apr 12 22:53:59 <pfn> I want the one with more dpis
Apr 12 22:54:04 <ctate> <3 http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
Apr 12 22:55:10 <g00s> how many displays don't have square pixels ?
Apr 12 22:56:09 <g00s> is pentile considered a square pixel ?
Apr 12 22:56:28 <ctate> in aggregate? yes
Apr 12 22:56:31 <ctate> iirc
Apr 12 22:56:49 <ctate> i've heard of people trying to make Android devices using panels that are significantly nonsquare
Apr 12 22:56:49 <alankila> square pixel refers to aspect ratio
Apr 12 22:57:02 <ctate> it looks ... suboptimal :)
Apr 12 23:02:43 <vadi2> I wish I could call setRetainInstance on activities.
Apr 12 23:03:51 <herriojr> hey, so is there no longer a web interface for viewing android source?
Apr 12 23:04:54 <vadi2> http://grepcode.com might searchit
Apr 12 23:05:13 <vadi2> ie http://grepcode.com/snapshot/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/4.0.3_r1
Apr 12 23:05:48 <ctate> vadi2: re setRetainInstance... what are you trying/hoping to accomplish?
Apr 12 23:06:30 <vadi2> Stay on the tab that the user was on when they change the orientation.
Apr 12 23:06:47 <vadi2> This is an Activity though, not a fragment
Apr 12 23:07:00 <pfn> that's really easy
Apr 12 23:07:08 <pfn> just save it in your bundle
Apr 12 23:07:12 <pfn> and restore it onCreate
Apr 12 23:07:15 <pfn> or whever is appropriate
Apr 12 23:07:29 <pfn> at least it's not some huge piece of user-input that needs to be saved and then restored
Apr 12 23:07:50 <vadi2> Oh. I'll try that.
Apr 12 23:09:44 <vadi2> Which before-change callback is the best to use to save on?
Apr 12 23:10:18 <pfn> in onSaveInstanceState
Apr 12 23:10:48 <vadi2> thank you
Apr 12 23:12:37 <g00s> "Lumia 900 sales have 'exceeded' expectations, says AT&T retail chief" \o/
Apr 12 23:12:44 <g00s> competition is good ;)
Apr 12 23:13:36 <g00s> of course, their expectations could have been … 0 :D
Apr 12 23:14:36 <g00s> google has $49.3 billion cash on hand, hopefully they can fire a few more hamsters to work on the market
Apr 12 23:14:41 <g00s> *hire
Apr 12 23:14:51 <g00s> oops, play
Apr 12 23:15:11 <g00s> why the fuck doesn't the back button work in the verge using chrome
Apr 12 23:15:57 <ctate> g00s: but it does using Android Browser?
Apr 12 23:16:09 <g00s> oh, have not checked.
Apr 12 23:16:23 <g00s> http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/12/2944376/boeing-android-phone-defense-intelligence
Apr 12 23:17:59 <g00s> ctate: do any googlers sleep with the servers?  http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/12/2944354/interxion-olympics-sleeping-pods
Apr 12 23:18:01 <g00s> :D
Apr 12 23:19:39 <ctate> better than sleeping with the fishes
Apr 12 23:20:16 * Jug6ernaut would not recommend that
Apr 12 23:23:05 <alcapwn|x> ctate: out of curiosity, when you guys make regular changes to android source, how do you test them - I mean, your not gonna compile the whole thing right?
Apr 12 23:23:25 <ctate> err, yes we do
Apr 12 23:23:27 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Apr 12 23:23:49 <ctate> although of cousre just because e.g. i make a change in the Activity Manager Service doesn't mean i have to recompile the whole damn source base
Apr 12 23:23:54 <ctate> mmm is yor frend!
Apr 12 23:24:07 <vadi2> I have a bit of a complication, getSelectedTab returns a tab object and selectTab expects a tab object.
Apr 12 23:24:12 <vadi2> How can I serialize that?
Apr 12 23:24:22 <ctate> for example, if i make a Backup Manager Service change and i want to build it and reflash a test device
Apr 12 23:24:26 <ctate> the command i run is:
Apr 12 23:24:45 <ctate> mmm -j 10 frameworks/base/services/java snod
Apr 12 23:25:05 <ctate> err, -j10
Apr 12 23:25:07 <ctate> no space in there
Apr 12 23:25:12 * alcapwn|x googles
Apr 12 23:25:30 <ctate> "snod" is a special target in the Android build system
Apr 12 23:25:39 <mantas322> hi, im having trouble with this line of code
Apr 12 23:25:40 <ctate> stands for "System image, NO Dependencies"
Apr 12 23:25:47 <mantas322>  iS = resources.getAssets().open("raw/contains.txt");
Apr 12 23:26:03 <mantas322> "raw/contains.txt" is this incorrect?
Apr 12 23:26:27 <ctate> mantas322: you want the Asset Manager, not Resource Manager
Apr 12 23:26:28 <mantas322> i have contains.txt in my raw folder
Apr 12 23:26:52 <mantas322> nice
Apr 12 23:26:53 <mantas322> ty
Apr 12 23:27:10 <alcapwn|x> ctate: do you have link to mmm tool, search brings up date format questions
Apr 12 23:27:28 <ctate> mmm is a shell function defined in envsetup.sh
Apr 12 23:27:31 <ctate> as is mm
Apr 12 23:27:43 <alcapwn|x> Oh OK, thanks
Apr 12 23:27:47 <ctate> "mm" is short for "make mine", builds the thing in the current directory
Apr 12 23:28:07 <ctate> "mmm" is short for "make mine multiple" -- takes a set of arguments that are paths to all the things to build
Apr 12 23:28:19 <ctate> "things" in this context are nodes in the source tree that have Android.mk files
Apr 12 23:29:15 <ctate> i personally have a shell function defined in my shell profile
Apr 12 23:29:52 <ctate> that rebuilds all the various bits of the framework that might need it, but doesn't build anything else; then it uses 'snod' at the end to repackage a system image with my changes without having to do a full build with all the dependencies
Apr 12 23:30:20 <ctate> it's kind of verbose and has a lot of bits and pieces that are there just because i often muck with the backup/restore related stuff
Apr 12 23:30:22 <ctate> but
Apr 12 23:30:24 * ctate |  mmm -j10 frameworks/base/ frameworks/base/core/res frameworks/base/services/java/ frameworks/base/tests/backup/ frameworks/base/libs/ui frameworks/base/libs/utils/ frameworks/base/core/jni/ frameworks/base/native/android frameworks/base/policy frameworks/base/packages/SystemUI frameworks/base/cmds/bmgr frameworks/base/cmds/bu frameworks/base/packages/BackupRestoreConfirmation frameworks/base/packages/SettingsProvider 
Apr 12 23:30:25 * ctate frameworks/base/packages/SharedStorageBackup snod
Apr 12 23:30:30 <ctate> is the command it runs :)
Apr 12 23:31:15 <ctate> frequently a framework change might touch several of those subtrees; this just lets me not worry about it
Apr 12 23:31:42 <ctate> obviously this only works once you've done a proper full build to begin with
Apr 12 23:32:38 <alcapwn|x> Right, was curious about the small changes since full ics takes hours to build
Apr 12 23:32:52 <ctate> mm and mmm, in conjunctino with snod
Apr 12 23:33:10 <ctate> definitely look at what's actually in envsetup.sh
Apr 12 23:33:16 <ctate> lots of useful shell functions
Apr 12 23:35:40 <ctate> oh, there's another pseudotarget in the android build system that is very occasionally useful
Apr 12 23:35:42 <ctate> 'showcommands'
Apr 12 23:35:52 <ctate> will cause make to print all the commands it's running to buidl targets
Apr 12 23:36:03 <ctate> handy for debugging changes to the build infrastructure
Apr 12 23:38:15 <mantas322> am.open("contains.txt");    <!--- where is my root here?
Apr 12 23:38:19 <mantas322> contains is in res/raw
Apr 12 23:38:29 <mantas322> should it be somewhere else
Apr 12 23:38:37 <vadi2> assets are in the assets/ folder, no?
Apr 12 23:38:40 <vadi2> not in the res/
Apr 12 23:38:51 <mantas322> assets/Files?
Apr 12 23:38:57 <p_l> ... those sleeping pods in the server room are lol
Apr 12 23:39:11 <p_l> definitely better than sleeping in chairs
Apr 12 23:39:20 <vadi2> assets/contains.txt
Apr 12 23:39:27 <g00s> p_l: i can picture a bunch of googlers cuddled up with their teddy bears
Apr 12 23:40:33 <g00s> its all fun and games until someone gets locked in there
Apr 12 23:40:52 <g00s> and they have to ftp themselves out of the pod
Apr 12 23:41:02 <p_l> g00s: given that they can weather temporarily losing a 10% of capacity and have it revert back...
Apr 12 23:41:05 <mantas322> finally!
Apr 12 23:41:15 <mantas322> thanks vadi2
Apr 12 23:41:34 <vadi2> yep
Apr 12 23:58:46 <T-Dub|DlolPics> What's the difference between title and titleCondensed for menus?
Apr 12 23:58:51 <mantas322> how do I clear my logcat in eclipse
Apr 12 23:59:10 <T-Dub|DlolPics> mantas322: not sure but you can just create a filter
Apr 12 23:59:22 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I have a filter for each app I have, best way to get rid of the "crap"
Apr 12 23:59:40 <smw> Hi all. I have an app that I build many versions of. They all have the same code but different resource files (setting, images, etc). What is the easiest way to build them so they all use different namespaces and can be installed together?
Apr 13 00:00:06 <T-Dub|DlolPics> smw: you mean like package names?
Apr 13 00:00:17 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, yes
Apr 13 00:00:23 <g00s> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3orj11/
Apr 13 00:00:43 <T-Dub|DlolPics> You can do something like com.website.version1.appName, com.website.version2.appName
Apr 13 00:00:52 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, pretty much, my app is exactly the same code and only resource files change.
Apr 13 00:00:57 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Type stuff, not sure your question really.
Apr 13 00:01:10 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, I want to compile from one trunk
Apr 13 00:01:18 <smw> changing the name is hard
Apr 13 00:01:37 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I believe you can change the package in the manifest, and it might change it everywhere
Apr 13 00:01:50 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, it doesn't
Apr 13 00:02:00 <rigid> ahoy
Apr 13 00:02:06 <T-Dub|DlolPics> Oh, then just either manually do it, or find/replace
Apr 13 00:02:28 <T-Dub|DlolPics> I don't really think there is a "best way". Generally you don't have to do that.
Apr 13 00:02:32 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, that is what we currently do. We want something better ;-)
Apr 13 00:02:52 <T-Dub|DlolPics> smw: gotcha haha, well I don't know of one sorry :P.
Apr 13 00:03:12 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, I am finding stuff online about how people make their apps libs and then have a shell for each one.
Apr 13 00:03:25 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, a shell that just calls the library I mean.
Apr 13 00:03:50 <smw> T-Dub|DlolPics, ah well... thanks anyways
Apr 13 00:03:54 <T-Dub|DlolPics> smw: Oh, hmm. Never heard of it, I import mine manually through the build path from my libs.
Apr 13 00:11:54 <rigid> i'm trying to store a native pointer from my JNI class in the Java class and i'm stuck a bit... does anyone have a hint? currently I have this but i'm sure this doesn't work like that: http://codepad.org/ApXoDFeq
Apr 13 00:12:05 <rigid> comments appreciated
Apr 13 00:14:40 <rigid> i don't even know if "java.lang.Object" is a good choice to store arbitrary (void *)
Apr 13 00:15:15 <ctate> we typically use an 'int'
Apr 13 00:15:39 <ctate> with the awareness that we'll be doing some rewriting when we start running on 64-bit cpus :)
Apr 13 00:15:58 <rigid> lol
Apr 13 00:16:06 <rigid> hm sounds reasonable...
Apr 13 00:16:11 <ctate> you could of course use a 'long' on the java side up front
Apr 13 00:16:34 <ctate> do not use a managed type like Object
Apr 13 00:16:44 <ctate> otherwise the VM will get confused
Apr 13 00:17:26 <rigid> hm... i could use a long, the pointer isn't accessed very often... or would it make a difference? hm
Apr 13 00:17:43 <rigid> ctate: i'll try it with a long... thanks for now
Apr 13 00:24:56 <rigid> ctate: would "jlong foo() { ... void *myptr = NULL; return (jlong) myptr; }" be correct?
Apr 13 00:25:22 <rigid> or do I have to do some sort of (*env)->NewLong.... ?
Apr 13 00:25:55 <rigid> i wish i had more resources about the JNI topic... the docs are very slim
Apr 13 00:30:20 <Napalm> has anyone here used http://schemas.android.com/apk/res-auto
Apr 13 00:30:53 <ctate> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3orp5p/
Apr 13 00:31:37 <ctate> rigid: that's a hypothetical native method that does the cast to jlong for some reason?
Apr 13 00:32:16 <Napalm> ok its not what i want i think
Apr 13 00:32:17 <ctate> rigid: do you have the AOSP sources?  android_os_Parcel.cpp for example
Apr 13 00:32:27 <rigid> ctate: well, yes... the cast is not necessary i guess
Apr 13 00:32:47 <ctate> there's a function in there called parcelForJavaObject()
Apr 13 00:32:54 <rigid> ctate: no, i'll go for them
Apr 13 00:33:10 <ctate> takes a JNIEnv* and a jobject (that points to a VM-side Parcel object instance) as arguments
Apr 13 00:33:28 <cooldman224> what would be the best way to see if no items are checked anymore? So I can destroy the action mode
Apr 13 00:33:29 <ctate> and basically just does this:
Apr 13 00:33:30 <ctate> Parcel* p = (Parcel*)env->GetIntField(obj, gParcelOffsets.mNativePtr);
Apr 13 00:33:33 <rigid> ctate: ah... so no long int?
Apr 13 00:33:42 <ctate> if you use a long, you'd use GetLongField() instead
Apr 13 00:33:57 <ctate> and SetLongField() to write the native pointer into the 'long' field in the VM-side object
Apr 13 00:33:57 <mantas322> in android java is a line break in a string pattern liek this "\r\n"?
Apr 13 00:34:07 <ctate> mantas322: just \n, like in C
Apr 13 00:34:14 <ctate> unless you really do need a CRLF pair
Apr 13 00:34:18 <rigid> oh nice...
Apr 13 00:34:23 <mantas322> thanks
Apr 13 00:34:26 <noah023> Hey, when I'm using a cursor that identifies a media file, how do I get to a media file? The idea is that once I get the file I can mess with it's ID3 tags
Apr 13 00:34:36 <noah023> *to the
Apr 13 00:34:37 <rigid> ctate: thanks a lot!
Apr 13 00:34:52 <ctate> rigid: gParcelOffsets in that paste is a global that contains the JNI field references for stuff that will need to be manipulated from the JNI side
Apr 13 00:35:24 <mantas322> oh I have another question
Apr 13 00:35:26 <ctate> initialized at the same time the JNI functions are registered
Apr 13 00:35:37 <mantas322> how does ram work
Apr 13 00:35:41 <mantas322> in android
Apr 13 00:35:55 <mantas322> am i going to hit some sort of limit if I try to have 5+ mbs worth of stuff?
Apr 13 00:37:42 <ctate> you get some device-specific amount of ram for Dalvik
Apr 13 00:37:50 <ctate> typically 32 or 48 MBs or whatever on modern devices
Apr 13 00:37:52 <noah023> Or for that matter is it even possible to access ID3 tags on Android? Is there another way to permanently associate some information with a song?
Apr 13 00:38:08 <mantas322> really?
Apr 13 00:38:22 <mantas322> thats more then i suspected
Apr 13 00:38:47 <mantas322> whats the hardcorecode for "\n"
Apr 13 00:39:14 <mantas322> wait nevermind
Apr 13 00:52:48 <spankbot> readme: yo
Apr 13 00:53:37 <cooldman224> what would be the best way to monitor if no items are checked anymore? So I can destroy the action mode
Apr 13 00:53:39 <Jug6ernaut> layout editor blows
Apr 13 00:56:38 <pfn> cooldman224, can't you check onItemClick and query your selected group?
Apr 13 00:56:50 <pfn> if the selectioncount is 0, no more items selected
Apr 13 00:59:07 <mahamoti> whats the best ide to use for android development?
Apr 13 00:59:13 <readme> spankbot: hell
Apr 13 00:59:14 <readme> o
Apr 13 00:59:32 <ctate> mahamoti: the two that get top use are Eclipse and IntelliJ
Apr 13 00:59:37 <cooldman224> pfn, ok where is selectioncount coming from?
Apr 13 00:59:56 <pfn> cooldman224, your list keeps track of selections, query it
Apr 13 01:00:08 <mahamoti> thanks ctate
Apr 13 01:00:25 <readme> Jug6ernaut: i heard intellij has a simple preview for the layout, and you can just edit the xml side by side with it
Apr 13 01:00:31 <readme> but I am too stubborn to switch
Apr 13 01:00:56 <mahamoti> what resources are recommended for an experienced coder looking to get into java/android devel?
Apr 13 01:01:07 <readme> the docs on d.android.com should be enough
Apr 13 01:01:13 <readme> oh, get into java
Apr 13 01:01:14 <Jug6ernaut> readme is that another ide?
Apr 13 01:01:51 <readme> yeah
Apr 13 01:01:56 <Jug6ernaut> :\
Apr 13 01:02:38 <readme> http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/ http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html
Apr 13 01:03:43 <cooldman224> pfn, listview.getCheckedItemIds().length seems to be what I want. You agree? I could do getCheckedItemCount() but thats api 11
Apr 13 01:04:17 <pfn> cooldman224, I'm leaving it as an exercise for you to do  :p
Apr 13 01:04:22 <pfn> and try out
Apr 13 01:04:28 <pfn> but yeah, that generally sounds like what I suggested
Apr 13 01:05:17 <ron_frown> checked/selected items in android is mindblowingly shitty
Apr 13 01:05:39 <ron_frown> dont need to hear any excuses about touchmode vs regular
Apr 13 01:05:53 <cooldman224> i agree, it is such a pain. i think ICS fixed ti though
Apr 13 01:06:08 <pfn> doing getCheckedItemIds().length is a pain?
Apr 13 01:06:16 * pfn boggles at the capability of programmers
Apr 13 01:06:34 <cooldman224> oh no
Apr 13 01:06:38 <ron_frown> why not call it selected items
Apr 13 01:06:49 <ron_frown> not sparseboolean arrays
Apr 13 01:06:49 <cr5315> I have an ImageView that I'm trying to get to open an AlertDialog in its onClick, but Eclipse is giving it an error. Here's the trouble code: http://pastebin.com/cDx7mMmh    Anyone know what I can do to fix it?
Apr 13 01:06:51 <ron_frown> or checked items
Apr 13 01:07:00 <ron_frown> and having to implement ICheckable with custom views etc
Apr 13 01:07:05 <cooldman224> but the whole checkboxes and textviews and checkedtextviews with linearlayouts....linearlayouts cant be clicked so your list does nothing
Apr 13 01:07:13 <ron_frown> precisely
Apr 13 01:07:56 <std0s> I had a weird bug with a checklist - inserting a header in a listview  full of checkboxes caused the next item in the list to be checked - not the one you touched
Apr 13 01:07:56 <ron_frown> although I must say at least there is SOME way to achieve it
Apr 13 01:08:08 <ron_frown> there is a ton of crap in IOS that you just cant achieve what you want
Apr 13 01:08:17 <ron_frown> and if you ask about it, you get chewed out for being anti-apple =)
Apr 13 01:08:22 <ron_frown> apple is all knowing
Apr 13 01:08:28 <ron_frown> perfect design
Apr 13 01:08:57 <cooldman224> pfn, well my code is working atm!
Apr 13 01:08:58 <mantas322> okay, thats enough freetime android development for tonight
Apr 13 01:09:10 <mantas322> thanks for the help dudes bye
Apr 13 01:09:15 <readme> oh, is it on to the paid android development that you're late on :)
Apr 13 01:11:22 <cooldman224> pfn, i have another question, how can I save the actionmode state? I know the onSaveInstanceState but bundle has putInt and String. But how do I do actionMode
Apr 13 01:12:00 <pfn> why would you need to save that state
Apr 13 01:12:19 <pfn> you mean you want to save your set of selected items?
Apr 13 01:12:26 <pfn> if you called startActionMode, then flag that
Apr 13 01:12:30 <pfn> when you dismiss it, clear it
Apr 13 01:12:40 <pfn> when your activity resumes, if flag set, start actionmode
Apr 13 01:13:22 <cooldman224> pfn, hmm i think i see what i can do. what I mean is when the orientation changes and actionmode is already created, it goes away
Apr 13 01:15:09 <pfn> that's expected behavior...
Apr 13 01:16:42 <cooldman224> correct, so if I put a flag or string in my bundle and then resume actionmode from oncreate?
Apr 13 01:17:32 <pfn> sure
Apr 13 01:18:36 <cooldman224> is that what you were saying?
Apr 13 01:18:55 <pfn> basically
Apr 13 01:21:36 <cooldman224> how would I resume the actionMode?
Apr 13 01:22:52 <cooldman224> I think I know
Apr 13 01:24:21 <spankbot> readme: solved my fucking problem from yesterday..  When my sensor changed I checked for "myListView.getAdapter() == null"  if null, bind the adapter to the list view ELSE  rebuild the dataset then...  ((LandmarkAdapter)myListView.getAdapter()).refill(landmark_data, myBearing);
Apr 13 01:26:55 <spankbot> readme: now I don't loose ListView scroll position with all the sensor refreshing that was going on.  Originally I was creating a new adapter each time..
Apr 13 01:30:53 <readme> that's fucking awesome.
Apr 13 01:35:24 <std0s> spankbot, does that mean you keep scroll position even if your process is killed?
Apr 13 01:36:28 <std0s> sorry, destroyed..
Apr 13 01:39:55 <vadi2> Is it simple to make a ListView not enforce uniform height on each item + have a little padding top and bottom in each item?
Apr 13 01:41:42 <pfn> vadi2, uniform height is a function of the view you return
Apr 13 01:41:50 <pfn> in your adapter
Apr 13 01:41:54 <pfn> so is padding
Apr 13 01:42:06 <vadi2> I see
Apr 13 01:42:19 <jeppy> vadi2: android:layout_height="wrap_content"
Apr 13 01:42:32 <spankbot> std0s: yup.. because the refresh of the adapter is not running on the UI thread.. so sweet
Apr 13 01:42:38 <jeppy> wont that work for different content lengths?
Apr 13 01:43:15 <spankbot> std0s: tested it for a 1.5hr commute running GPS on and off, no issue and is fast.
Apr 13 01:44:02 <vadi2> it might, but I'm using the basic ArrayAdapter atm, so I didn't set any layout preferences
Apr 13 01:44:13 <spankbot> stf0s: called from :public void onSensorChanged(SensorEvent event)
Apr 13 01:44:22 <jeppy> vadi2: i mean in your item layout
Apr 13 01:44:55 <vadi2> I'm using Android's built-in simple_spinner_item
Apr 13 01:45:11 <vadi2> I could customize it, but won't I lose whatever different icons there are in different themes?
Apr 13 01:45:23 <vadi2> (or can I apply androids style to it?)
Apr 13 01:46:34 <jeppy> the items are in a spinner?
Apr 13 01:47:05 <vadi2> Oh, no, sorry. simple_list_item_1
Apr 13 01:48:00 <jeppy> so what is happening that you're trying to change?
Apr 13 01:53:27 <std0s> spankbot - sounds pretty nice - is it running a service?
Apr 13 01:55:37 <mantas322> hi
Apr 13 01:55:44 <mantas322> how can I make a Toast even more short?
Apr 13 01:55:49 <mantas322> is this possible?
Apr 13 01:55:50 <jeppy> shh mantas322 is back
Apr 13 01:55:54 <mantas322> :O
Apr 13 01:56:23 <mantas322> Toast.LENGTH_SHORT
Apr 13 01:56:30 <mantas322> is that the shortest?
Apr 13 01:56:32 <jeppy> have you tried giving it a custom int?
Apr 13 01:56:40 <mantas322> I tired 1 and it was longer
Apr 13 01:56:45 <mantas322> least on my emulator
Apr 13 01:56:49 <mantas322> tried*
Apr 13 01:56:58 <jeppy> well 1 stands for lengh_long
Apr 13 01:57:05 <mantas322> ._.
Apr 13 01:57:23 <jeppy> lol
Apr 13 01:57:24 <jeppy> try 2
Apr 13 01:58:19 <mantas322> i tired 2 im going back to short
Apr 13 01:58:20 <jeppy> and let me know because have wondered the same thing
Apr 13 01:58:34 <jeppy> is 2 = 2 seconds?
Apr 13 01:58:38 <jeppy> roughly
Apr 13 01:59:17 <pfn> how funny some googler is riding a unicycle home
Apr 13 01:59:23 <mantas322> I dont know, I would guess close
Apr 13 01:59:40 <jeppy> but short seems shorter?
Apr 13 01:59:53 <mantas322> I dont know anymore man, I've moved on with my life
Apr 13 02:00:04 <jeppy> lol ok
Apr 13 02:01:14 <vadi2> jeppy: sorry. Right now, some items have text too long and it wraps, and some don't
Apr 13 02:01:35 <vadi2> Since it enforces uniform height, some items have padding then (ones that didn't get wrapped) and some don't (ones that did)
Apr 13 02:01:49 <vadi2> I'd like it to be uniform across the board - so don't enforce same height, and add padding anyway
Apr 13 02:01:57 <vadi2> what would be the most proper way to go about this?
Apr 13 02:02:11 <jeppy> use your own item view
Apr 13 02:03:45 <vadi2> alright
Apr 13 02:03:58 <jeppy> vadi2: although, simple_list_item_1 doesn't have bottom padding. http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/frameworks/base/core/res/res/layout/simple_list_item_1.xml
Apr 13 02:04:13 <jeppy> afk
Apr 13 02:08:09 <dominicdinada> anybody having problems with all xmls being rendered in the gueditor since r19
Apr 13 02:08:15 <dominicdinada> r18*
Apr 13 02:14:39 <mantas322> is it possible to have an ImageView thats animated?
Apr 13 02:14:45 <mantas322> like a gif?
Apr 13 02:16:13 <mantas322> i found this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2032304/android-imageview-animation
Apr 13 02:16:19 <mantas322> im gonna use it
Apr 13 02:19:02 <spankbot> std0s: no service yet
Apr 13 02:21:06 <std0s> spankbot, maybe you wont need one
Apr 13 02:25:39 <dominicdinada> mantas there are tons of annimation tutorials on the net google them
Apr 13 02:26:57 <vadi2> I copy/pasted the default simple_list_item_1.xml, didn't make any changes to it, but it's crashing when inflating it with: http://pastebin.com/E4dbxJXg
Apr 13 02:27:15 <vadi2> Not quite certain why is not happy yet about "java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: Can't convert to dimension: type=0x2"
Apr 13 02:27:43 <vadi2> Can I not use ?android:attr/ for my own layouts?
Apr 13 02:29:06 <dominicdinada> idk but that example is 6 yrs old lots change
Apr 13 02:29:09 <vadi2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9066107/using-greendroid-itemadapter-with-regular-activity seems to point it to an ABS issue
Apr 13 02:29:24 <vadi2> Yes, but I was just using it directly from Android without a problem...
Apr 13 02:29:31 <vadi2> All I did was copy to my own project, and it broke
Apr 13 02:29:50 <dominicdinada> Copyright (C) 2006 The Android Open Source Project
Apr 13 02:30:12 <dominicdinada> what version u dev on makes huge diffs
Apr 13 02:30:19 <vadi2> You think it's that hm
Apr 13 02:30:32 <dominicdinada> check the ref docs
Apr 13 02:31:31 <vadi2> Well http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.layout.html#simple_list_item_1 it still exists and that's why I was able to use it I guess
Apr 13 02:31:37 <vadi2> Where can I get the source of which I was using though
Apr 13 02:33:54 <vadi2> Actually the one in SDK version 15 still has the 2006 header. It didn't seem to change.
Apr 13 02:34:00 <dominicdinada> what are you using ?
Apr 13 02:34:07 <vadi2> for?
Apr 13 02:34:26 <dominicdinada>  Where can I get the source of which I was using though
Apr 13 02:34:33 <dominicdinada> ^^
Apr 13 02:35:03 <vadi2> one from platforms/android25/data/res/layout
Apr 13 02:35:13 <dominicdinada> do u have the classes imported into your projecyt ?
Apr 13 02:35:33 <vadi2> which is http://pastebin.com/YxGUSbex
Apr 13 02:35:37 <vadi2> which ones?
Apr 13 02:35:44 <dominicdinada> ugh not that far myself
Apr 13 02:35:53 <dominicdinada> the java classes
Apr 13 02:36:07 <dominicdinada> ctrl + shift ++ o
Apr 13 02:36:39 <dominicdinada> paste the website again
Apr 13 02:36:51 <dominicdinada> i closed it
Apr 13 02:36:57 <vadi2> http://pastebin.com/YxGUSbex
Apr 13 02:37:23 <dominicdinada> no the website the example came from
Apr 13 02:37:49 <dominicdinada> u were given long ago lol i just closed it
Apr 13 02:37:58 <vadi2> http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/frameworks/base/core/res/res/layout/simple_list_item_1.xml
Apr 13 02:38:10 <vadi2> That's not the one I used, but it's the same anyway
Apr 13 02:38:25 <vadi2> almost. that one includes padding...
Apr 13 02:39:04 <dominicdinada> http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/
Apr 13 02:39:10 <dominicdinada> there u go
Apr 13 02:39:42 <vadi2> I'm not sure how that helps.
Apr 13 02:40:07 <dominicdinada> http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/frameworks/base/
Apr 13 02:40:13 <enthdegree> hello, all.
Apr 13 02:40:32 <enthdegree> I'm trying to build android on Fedora x64
Apr 13 02:40:33 <dominicdinada> u wanted the full source its the second link
Apr 13 02:40:35 <vadi2> My issue is that once I include the xml in my project it, inflating it no longer works
Apr 13 02:40:59 <enthdegree> when I try and build it it says that I need 'Java SE 1.6' but my java version is "1.6.0_24"
Apr 13 02:41:30 <dominicdinada> enthdegree: thats a fedora issue eclipse work from win linux and mac
Apr 13 02:42:24 <dominicdinada> so does java
Apr 13 02:42:40 <enthdegree> Well drat
Apr 13 02:43:06 <dominicdinada> try fedora first id say
Apr 13 02:47:56 <Rubon> I want to get the cpu usage of each running process, I tried with top and ph command, but seems like I can't use the -p pid param. Anyone have any idea?
Apr 13 02:51:37 <ron_frown> Rubon on rooted devices?
Apr 13 02:52:07 <Rubon> <ron_frown>: no
Apr 13 02:52:45 <ron_frown> well here the thing... on android a lot of the linux userland crap comes from busybox
Apr 13 02:53:10 <ron_frown> and busybox has diff features on mostly every device thus far
Apr 13 02:54:06 <dragorn> you can crosscompile your own ps
Apr 13 02:54:10 <dragorn> and include it in your app
Apr 13 02:54:13 <dragorn> w/out rooting
Apr 13 02:54:13 <ron_frown> yes you can
Apr 13 02:54:26 <dragorn> or just parse proc, etc, directly
Apr 13 02:59:40 <Rubon> <dragorn> I have limited idea about crosscompile my ps command, can you explain more for me.
Apr 13 02:59:52 <enthdegree> where does the kernel reside in the filesystem?
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